TheMuso | BenC: Thanks. Seems like someone has already taken your fixes upstream. | 12:17 |
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BenC | TheMuso: which ones? | 12:17 |
TheMuso | The module loading, and the semaphore fixes. | 12:19 |
TheMuso | As well as the ppp serial header adjustment. | 12:19 |
TheMuso | ppc | 12:19 |
BenC | excellent | 12:20 |
BenC | that was quick :) | 12:20 |
TheMuso | Daniel drake from Gentoo must be following it, as he is the one who committed the fixes. | 12:22 |
TheMuso | I don't know if you are also aware, but there was a commit to CVS recently that I submitted to add a keyboard command for laptop keyboards. I can send you a patch if you'd like. | 12:24 |
BenC | yes, please do | 12:28 |
TheMuso | sent. Thanks again. | 12:34 |
TheMuso | BenC: I would like to build a test kernel from git to test the speakup stuff. Is there a way that I can build only one kernel flavour, i.e just i686? | 12:42 |
BenC | TheMuso: See the CategoryKernel wiki in the topic, there's a link on that page to a "howto build" wiki page | 12:42 |
TheMuso | Ok thanks. | 12:43 |
BenC | TheMuso: or you can wait one day, and the daily builds will be up (URL is in the topic) | 12:43 |
TheMuso | Yeah I saw that too. Cheers. | 12:43 |
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BenC | mdz: ping | 01:58 |
mdz | BenC: pong | 01:58 |
BenC | mdz: email with benchmarks sent | 01:58 |
BenC | mdz: basic idea is, there's little to no difference | 01:59 |
BenC | same results for amd64 kernels | 01:59 |
BenC | mdz: the best numbers to look at are the Ratio's to the no_load | 02:00 |
BenC | the Time columns is also important | 02:01 |
BenC | I'm still running a UP amd64-generic vs amd64-k8 test, but I don't expect it to be any different | 02:02 |
mdz | BenC: that looks pretty compelling to me | 02:02 |
BenC | mdz: just say the word | 02:03 |
mdz | BenC: we should discuss on ubuntu-devel; mind if I forward your email? | 02:03 |
BenC | sure | 02:03 |
pschulz01 | Greetings.. I am going to be 'lurking' here.. but is there anything that I should be aware of (other than what is in the channel subject line?) | 02:10 |
pschulz01 | the plan is to learn and start contributing where I can.. I have various embedded archtectures I can test on (if relevent) and an older (non-intel) Mac Mini. | 02:13 |
mdz | BenC: do you have any pointers to documentation which explains what the figures mean? | 02:19 |
BenC | pshel: welcome, nothing really to explain really :) | 02:19 |
mdz | pschulz01: there's some information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam, though the time-related stuff is out of date | 02:19 |
BenC | mdz: contest.kolivas.org | 02:20 |
mdz | thanks | 02:21 |
pschulz01 | mdz: Thanks. | 02:24 |
pschulz01 | BenC: Is ther much that needs doing? | 02:24 |
BenC | pshulz: bug maint is the main thing we need, but we only have light documentation on the wiki for kernel bug triaging | 02:25 |
BenC | sorry, I keep misspelling your name | 02:25 |
pschulz01 | BenC: How many packages does the team/you look after? | 02:25 |
BenC | well, kernel is mainly linux-source-2.6.17 (edgy) 2.6.15 (dapper) 2.6.12 (breezy) and 2.6.10 (hoary) | 02:26 |
pschulz01 | BenC: that's OK :-) | 02:26 |
BenC | we also maintain linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta | 02:26 |
pschulz01 | Can I put that on the Wikipage :-) | 02:27 |
BenC | and to some degree, other packages like initramfs-tools, kernel-package and kernel-wedge | 02:27 |
mdz | BenC: you want to read over this before I send it, or just get it when it hits the list? | 02:27 |
BenC | mdz: you can just send it...doubt there's much I need to read over | 02:27 |
BenC | pschulz01: just keep it simple...the less we have to maintain the info the better | 02:28 |
pschulz01 | BenC: I need somewhere to keep notes :-) | 02:30 |
BenC | kylem_: ping | 02:40 |
pschulz01 | BenC: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | 02:50 |
pschulz01 | BenC: Is there a lauchpad page? | 02:51 |
mdz | pschulz01: launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team I believe | 02:51 |
pschulz01 | BenC: launchpad | 02:51 |
BenC | make sure you get the right one | 02:51 |
BenC | there are two kernel teams, one has about 6 members, and the other is empty | 02:51 |
BenC | choose the one that has members | 02:51 |
BenC | I'm waiting for the launchpad folks to implement team merging | 02:52 |
BenC | pschulz01: you can kill the news portion. Looks great though, thanks! | 02:53 |
pschulz01 | BenC: I need an administrator to add me.. | 02:53 |
BenC | I'll get the request | 02:54 |
pschulz01 | Done.. | 02:54 |
BenC | mdz: nice email, thanks | 02:59 |
kylem_ | BenC, pong. | 03:09 |
pschulz01 | BenC: The Launchpad team is listed as 'restricted', as opposed to 'moderated'.. so it doesn't look like you'll even get my request to join. | 03:12 |
pschulz01 | BenC: Some final changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam otherwise will switch back to lurk mode. | 03:18 |
pschulz01 | My shipit CD's just arrived.. | 03:23 |
pschulz01 | 70 CD ROMS - 50 PC; 5 Mac/PowerPC; 15 AMD/64Bit + 40 Stickers. | 03:24 |
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mdz | BenC: np. I just got a panic when unplugging a slightly flaky USB device, and got an oops in khubd. worth a bug report? | 03:36 |
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crimsun | hmm. the old ndiswrapper-1.1 source package in main generates a ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 binary package that apparently doesn't work with Edgy's kernel. | 06:42 |
BenC | edgy's ndiswrapper kernel module has been updates...maybe the userspace tools need to be as well | 06:55 |
BenC | crimsun: ^^ | 06:55 |
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BenC | mdz: I think given the lack of any real problems with the proposal, I'm going to move forward with the image conversions | 07:02 |
BenC | I'm not going to upload till I get to germany | 07:02 |
BenC | so if there's any problems, we can schedule a dev session for it :) | 07:03 |
mdz | BenC: sounds good | 07:04 |
mdz | BenC: so what are your thoughts on the naming? | 07:04 |
BenC | mdz: -386 will remain as an alternate kernels | 07:04 |
BenC | -generic will become the standard kernel | 07:04 |
mdz | and -generic will be fairly close to what -686 is now? (SMP-enabled) | 07:05 |
BenC | basically it will be the same as the k7/686 kernel, but targeted at 586 and above (386 is targeted at 486 and above) | 07:05 |
BenC | amd64 will have -generic (which is just a rename of the -amd64-generic kernel) and remove the -xeon and -k8 versions | 07:06 |
BenC | -amd64-server will be renamed to -server too | 07:06 |
BenC | so we're killing three kernels | 07:07 |
BenC | I'm also considering droping the non-smp kernels on ia64, since I doubt there's many non-smp ia64's around | 07:07 |
BenC | I've never heard of any at least | 07:07 |
thom | i'm pretty sure the workstation ia64s were uniproc | 07:08 |
thom | (or the low end ones anyway.) http://www.ia64-linux.org/machines/zx2000.html | 07:09 |
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mdz | sounds good | 07:10 |
BenC | thom: it may just have to run an smp kernel if they want to use it | 07:11 |
BenC | we force ppc64 users to run an smp kernel | 07:11 |
thom | fair enough. | 07:12 |
BenC | I never hear anything from ia64 users anyway :) | 07:12 |
BenC | probably will change with the new Itanium2 chips, bu then they are multi-core anyway | 07:12 |
BenC | mdz: lrm has a "base" kernel for each arch...are we saying we want -generic to be base for i386 now? | 07:15 |
mdz | BenC: what does that mean? | 07:15 |
BenC | the standard kernel used for installs and most running systems | 07:15 |
BenC | I think linux-meta makes the distinction as well | 07:15 |
BenC | lrm uses it for udeb creation | 07:15 |
mdz | I don't see why lrm should care | 07:15 |
BenC | it doesn't create udebs for all kernels | 07:16 |
mdz | if it's for udebs, then it should be the kernel we use on the alternate CD | 07:16 |
mdz | which will continue to be -386 | 07:16 |
BenC | because the liveCD doesn't need udeb's, correct? | 07:16 |
mdz | correct | 07:16 |
BenC | ok | 07:16 |
mdz | linux-meta is trickier, since we use that on both | 07:16 |
BenC | linux-meta is going to be tricky because it's gaining a lot of rename cruft :) | 07:18 |
maswan | BenC: Hey, a question, I got buried behind real work and stuff, did you get any time for a -dbg or similar kernel package with vmunix? | 07:19 |
BenC | maswan: we've had linux-image-debug-* for several kernel versions now | 07:19 |
BenC | well, several revisions of the edgy kernel | 07:20 |
maswan | BenC: ah, awesome. we're just getting around to upgrading to dapper. :) | 07:20 |
maswan | BenC: thanks and keep up the good work | 07:21 |
BenC | maswan: np | 07:21 |
mdz | BenC: nvidia-kernel-common recommends nvidia-kernel-source | nvidia-kernel. should the kernel provide nvidia-kernel or should we do away with that business entirely? | 07:37 |
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BenC | do we even need that package? | 07:39 |
BenC | I guess we do | 07:40 |
BenC | I'd say remove it | 07:40 |
BenC | that package is just a dep of the lrm stuff, so it gets pulled in when needed | 07:40 |
BenC | I mean remove the recommends | 07:40 |
zul | BenC: i have an 2.6.17ish xen kind of working | 07:53 |
BenC | that sounds vaguely cool :) | 07:54 |
BenC | mdz: we only support single release upgrades, right (like you can't upgrade directly from breezy to edgy)? | 07:54 |
zul | 2.6.18 xen was cherry picked and back ported now just to cherry pick edgy | 07:54 |
kylem_ | BenC, you pinged last night? | 07:57 |
BenC | kylem_: I forget why | 07:58 |
kylem_ | k :) | 07:58 |
zul | grrr...suse sucks | 08:09 |
mdz | BenC: correct | 08:09 |
infinity | BenC: That said, I entertain bug reports about skipped-release upgrades, if the upgrade path doesn't take me more than 10 seconds to divine and hack into a maintainer script. | 08:10 |
infinity | (With most packages, we get that for free anyway, since Debian's release cycle is slower, so they handle most upgrade paths) | 08:11 |
BenC | just wondering how long I should keep linux-meta upgrade meta-packages | 08:15 |
BenC | like the ones we had in dapper for -686-smp, and the ones that have been there for who knows how long for power[34] kernels | 08:15 |
BenC | I think I'm going to kill off the power cruft | 08:22 |
BenC | leave the {686,k7}-smp for one more release | 08:22 |
zul | so what is the end result going to be? | 08:23 |
zul | so i can reflect it with the xen bits | 08:24 |
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BenC | zul: i386 => generic (standard kernel), 386, server, server-bigiron | 08:57 |
BenC | amd64 => generic (standard kernel), server | 08:58 |
BenC | hppa and ia64 are getting their -smp versions cut (basically it will be SMP only for those arches, but no biggie) | 08:58 |
zul | ok cool.. | 08:59 |
zul | ill make my changes as well | 08:59 |
BenC | mdz: hey remind me to give you back that euro power adapter you lent me in paris | 09:01 |
mdz | BenC: ah, so that's where it went | 09:02 |
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