[12:17] <TheMuso> BenC: Thanks. Seems like someone has already taken your fixes upstream.
[12:17] <BenC> TheMuso: which ones?
[12:19] <TheMuso> The module loading, and the semaphore fixes.
[12:19] <TheMuso> As well as the ppp serial header adjustment.
[12:19] <TheMuso> ppc 
[12:20] <BenC> excellent
[12:20] <BenC> that was quick :)
[12:22] <TheMuso> Daniel drake from Gentoo must be following it, as he is the one who committed the fixes.
[12:24] <TheMuso> I don't know if you are also aware, but there was a commit to CVS recently that I submitted to add a keyboard command for laptop keyboards. I can send you a patch if you'd like.
[12:28] <BenC> yes, please do
[12:34] <TheMuso> sent. Thanks again.
[12:42] <TheMuso> BenC: I would like to build a test kernel from git to test the speakup stuff. Is there a way that I can build only one kernel flavour, i.e just i686?
[12:42] <BenC> TheMuso: See the CategoryKernel wiki in the topic, there's a link on that page to a "howto build" wiki page
[12:43] <TheMuso> Ok thanks.
[12:43] <BenC> TheMuso: or you can wait one day, and the daily builds will be up (URL is in the topic)
[12:43] <TheMuso> Yeah I saw that too. Cheers.
[01:58] <BenC> mdz: ping
[01:58] <mdz> BenC: pong
[01:58] <BenC> mdz: email with benchmarks sent
[01:59] <BenC> mdz: basic idea is, there's little to no difference
[01:59] <BenC> same results for amd64 kernels
[02:00] <BenC> mdz: the best numbers to look at are the Ratio's to the no_load
[02:01] <BenC> the Time columns is also important
[02:02] <BenC> I'm still running a UP amd64-generic vs amd64-k8 test, but I don't expect it to be any different
[02:02] <mdz> BenC: that looks pretty compelling to me
[02:03] <BenC> mdz: just say the word
[02:03] <mdz> BenC: we should discuss on ubuntu-devel; mind if I forward your email?
[02:03] <BenC> sure
[02:10] <pschulz01> Greetings.. I am going to be 'lurking' here.. but is there anything that I should be aware of (other than what is in the channel subject line?)
[02:13] <pschulz01> the plan is to learn and start contributing where I can.. I have various embedded archtectures I can test on (if relevent) and an older (non-intel) Mac Mini.
[02:19] <mdz> BenC: do you have any pointers to documentation which explains what the figures mean?
[02:19] <BenC> pshel: welcome, nothing really to explain really :)
[02:19] <mdz> pschulz01: there's some information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam, though the time-related stuff is out of date
[02:20] <BenC> mdz: contest.kolivas.org
[02:21] <mdz> thanks
[02:24] <pschulz01> mdz: Thanks.
[02:24] <pschulz01> BenC: Is ther much that needs doing?
[02:25] <BenC> pshulz: bug maint is the main thing we need, but we only have light documentation on the wiki for kernel bug triaging
[02:25] <BenC> sorry, I keep misspelling your name
[02:25] <pschulz01> BenC: How many packages does the team/you look after?
[02:26] <BenC> well, kernel is mainly linux-source-2.6.17 (edgy) 2.6.15 (dapper) 2.6.12 (breezy) and 2.6.10 (hoary)
[02:26] <pschulz01> BenC: that's OK :-)
[02:26] <BenC> we also maintain linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta
[02:27] <pschulz01> Can I put that on the Wikipage :-)
[02:27] <BenC> and to some degree, other packages like initramfs-tools, kernel-package and kernel-wedge
[02:27] <mdz> BenC: you want to read over this before I send it, or just get it when it hits the list?
[02:27] <BenC> mdz: you can just send it...doubt there's much I need to read over
[02:28] <BenC> pschulz01: just keep it simple...the less we have to maintain the info the better
[02:30] <pschulz01> BenC: I need somewhere to keep notes :-)
[02:40] <BenC> kylem_: ping
[02:50] <pschulz01> BenC: Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam
[02:51] <pschulz01> BenC: Is there a lauchpad page?
[02:51] <mdz> pschulz01: launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-kernel-team I believe
[02:51] <pschulz01> BenC: launchpad
[02:51] <BenC> make sure you get the right one
[02:51] <BenC> there are two kernel teams, one has about 6 members, and the other is empty
[02:51] <BenC> choose the one that has members
[02:52] <BenC> I'm waiting for the launchpad folks to implement team merging
[02:53] <BenC> pschulz01: you can kill the news portion. Looks great though, thanks!
[02:53] <pschulz01> BenC: I need an administrator to add me.. 
[02:54] <BenC> I'll get the request
[02:54] <pschulz01> Done..
[02:59] <BenC> mdz: nice email, thanks
[03:09] <kylem_> BenC, pong.
[03:12] <pschulz01> BenC: The Launchpad team is listed as 'restricted', as opposed to 'moderated'.. so it doesn't look like you'll even get my request to join.
[03:18] <pschulz01> BenC: Some final changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam otherwise will switch back to lurk mode.
[03:23] <pschulz01> My shipit CD's just arrived..
[03:24] <pschulz01> 70 CD ROMS - 50 PC; 5 Mac/PowerPC; 15 AMD/64Bit + 40 Stickers.
[03:36] <mdz> BenC: np.  I just got a panic when unplugging a slightly flaky USB device, and got an oops in khubd.  worth a bug report?
[06:42] <crimsun> hmm. the old ndiswrapper-1.1 source package in main generates a ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 binary package that apparently doesn't work with Edgy's kernel.
[06:55] <BenC> edgy's ndiswrapper kernel module has been updates...maybe the userspace tools need to be as well
[06:55] <BenC> crimsun: ^^
[07:02] <BenC> mdz: I think given the lack of any real problems with the proposal, I'm going to move forward with the image conversions
[07:02] <BenC> I'm not going to upload till I get to germany
[07:03] <BenC> so if there's any problems, we can schedule a dev session for it :)
[07:04] <mdz> BenC: sounds good
[07:04] <mdz> BenC: so what are your thoughts on the naming?
[07:04] <BenC> mdz: -386 will remain as an alternate kernels
[07:04] <BenC> -generic will become the standard kernel
[07:05] <mdz> and -generic will be fairly close to what -686 is now? (SMP-enabled)
[07:05] <BenC> basically it will be the same as the k7/686 kernel, but targeted at 586 and above (386 is targeted at 486 and above)
[07:06] <BenC> amd64 will have -generic (which is just a rename of the -amd64-generic kernel) and remove the -xeon and -k8 versions
[07:06] <BenC> -amd64-server will be renamed to -server too
[07:07] <BenC> so we're killing three kernels
[07:07] <BenC> I'm also considering droping the non-smp kernels on ia64, since I doubt there's many non-smp ia64's around
[07:07] <BenC> I've never heard of any at least
[07:08] <thom> i'm pretty sure the workstation ia64s were uniproc
[07:09] <thom> (or the low end ones anyway.) http://www.ia64-linux.org/machines/zx2000.html
[07:10] <mdz> sounds good
[07:11] <BenC> thom: it may just have to run an smp kernel if they want to use it
[07:11] <BenC> we force ppc64 users to run an smp kernel
[07:12] <thom> fair enough.
[07:12] <BenC> I never hear anything from ia64 users anyway :)
[07:12] <BenC> probably will change with the new Itanium2 chips, bu then they are multi-core anyway
[07:15] <BenC> mdz: lrm has a "base" kernel for each arch...are we saying we want -generic to be base for i386 now?
[07:15] <mdz> BenC: what does that mean?
[07:15] <BenC> the standard kernel used for installs and most running systems
[07:15] <BenC> I think linux-meta makes the distinction as well
[07:15] <BenC> lrm uses it for udeb creation
[07:15] <mdz> I don't see why lrm should care
[07:16] <BenC> it doesn't create udebs for all kernels
[07:16] <mdz> if it's for udebs, then it should be the kernel we use on the alternate CD
[07:16] <mdz> which will continue to be -386
[07:16] <BenC> because the liveCD doesn't need udeb's, correct?
[07:16] <mdz> correct
[07:16] <BenC> ok
[07:16] <mdz> linux-meta is trickier, since we use that on both
[07:18] <BenC> linux-meta is going to be tricky because it's gaining a lot of rename cruft :)
[07:19] <maswan> BenC: Hey, a question, I got buried behind real work and stuff, did you get any time for a -dbg or similar kernel package with vmunix?
[07:19] <BenC> maswan: we've had linux-image-debug-* for several kernel versions now
[07:20] <BenC> well, several revisions of the edgy kernel
[07:20] <maswan> BenC: ah, awesome. we're just getting around to upgrading to dapper. :)
[07:21] <maswan> BenC: thanks and keep up the good work
[07:21] <BenC> maswan: np
[07:37] <mdz> BenC: nvidia-kernel-common recommends nvidia-kernel-source | nvidia-kernel.  should the kernel provide nvidia-kernel or should we do away with that business entirely?
[07:39] <BenC> do we even need that package?
[07:40] <BenC> I guess we do
[07:40] <BenC> I'd say remove it
[07:40] <BenC> that package is just a dep of the lrm stuff, so it gets pulled in when needed
[07:40] <BenC> I mean remove the recommends
[07:53] <zul> BenC: i have an 2.6.17ish xen kind of working
[07:54] <BenC> that sounds vaguely cool :)
[07:54] <BenC> mdz: we only support single release upgrades, right (like you can't upgrade directly from breezy to edgy)?
[07:54] <zul> 2.6.18 xen was cherry picked and back ported now just to cherry pick edgy
[07:57] <kylem_> BenC, you pinged last night?
[07:58] <BenC> kylem_: I forget why
[07:58] <kylem_> k :)
[08:09] <zul> grrr...suse sucks
[08:09] <mdz> BenC: correct
[08:10] <infinity> BenC: That said, I entertain bug reports about skipped-release upgrades, if the upgrade path doesn't take me more than 10 seconds to divine and hack into a maintainer script.
[08:11] <infinity> (With most packages, we get that for free anyway, since Debian's release cycle is slower, so they handle most upgrade paths)
[08:15] <BenC> just wondering how long I should keep linux-meta upgrade meta-packages
[08:15] <BenC> like the ones we had in dapper for -686-smp, and the ones that have been there for who knows how long for power[34]  kernels
[08:22] <BenC> I think I'm going to kill off the power cruft
[08:22] <BenC> leave the {686,k7}-smp for one more release
[08:23] <zul> so what is the end result going to be?
[08:24] <zul> so i can reflect it with the xen bits
[08:57] <BenC> zul: i386 => generic (standard kernel), 386, server, server-bigiron
[08:58] <BenC> amd64 => generic (standard kernel), server
[08:58] <BenC> hppa and ia64 are getting their -smp versions cut (basically it will be SMP only for those arches, but no biggie)
[08:59] <zul> ok cool..
[08:59] <zul> ill make my changes as well
[09:01] <BenC> mdz: hey remind me to give you back that euro power adapter you lent me in paris
[09:02] <mdz> BenC: ah, so that's where it went