[01:20] <jenda> MenZa!
[01:20] <jenda> that's great
[01:51] <elkbuntu> jenda, how did matthewrevell do at the meeting?
[01:51] <jenda> Not enough CC members present :(
[01:51] <elkbuntu> so they didnt do memberships at all?
[01:52] <jenda> approved by mako, but that's it.
[01:52] <elkbuntu> i guess it was good i didnt wait up and try myself then ;)
[01:52] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:53] <poningru> yarr
[02:08] <johnlittle> I still havent been to sleep
[02:46] <johnlittle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMn72_unPWA
[02:48] <lophyte> hey everyone
[02:57] <poningru> lophyte: yarr
[03:01] <elkbuntu> it's not pirate day yet, poningru
[03:01] <poningru> elkbuntu: its pirate day everyday if you are a pirate
[03:01] <poningru> ;)
[03:01] <elkbuntu> #.^
[03:03] <poningru> :D
[03:03] <poningru> gaah wtf
[03:03] <poningru> brb
[03:07] <lophyte> lol
[03:11] <poningru> no seriously I cant do hexcode...
[03:11] <poningru> ctrl+shift isnt working
[03:27] <poningru> can someone verify this
[03:27] <poningru>  while holding down ctrl and shift, press b then press 5
[03:27] <lophyte> ?
[03:27] <lophyte> what?
[03:27] <poningru> what do you get?
[03:27] <lophyte> nothing o_o
[03:27] <poningru> sorry just trying to track down a bug
[03:28] <poningru> you on edgy?
[03:28] <lophyte> ...er
[03:28] <lophyte> wait
[03:28] <lophyte> unicode?
[03:28] <lophyte> 
[03:28] <poningru> yeah
[03:28] <poningru> are you on edgy?
[03:28] <lophyte> no, dapper
[03:28] <poningru> or dapper?
[03:28] <lophyte>  <-- that's what I get
[03:29] <poningru> yeah it seems like a bug in edgy
[03:29] <poningru> cant do unicode anymore through ctrl+shift
[03:29] <lophyte> bummer :(
[07:37] <carthik> Hi folks, anyone know who pays for the Ubuntu billboards in the US?
[07:48] <elkbuntu> i'd guess one of the LUGs
[07:55] <Madpilot> there are LUGs with money? ;)
[07:56] <elkbuntu> they might have got a grant from a rich person?
[08:09] <nixternal> Canonical, for upcoming Ubuncon and what not
[08:09] <elkbuntu> aha
[08:10] <nixternal> notice they are all in the same area, preparing for the upcoming "Cons", Linuxcon and Ubucon...the new one is right by Google Headquarters
[08:10] <nixternal> i just found out from and insider as a matter of fact ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> not even 15 minutes ago
[08:10] <elkbuntu> nice
[08:10] <nixternal> haha carthik, from imbrandon at that
[08:10] <nixternal> lol
[08:10] <elkbuntu> lol
[08:11] <elkbuntu> good $time_of_day corey :)
[08:11] <carthik> nixternal, imbrandon told you that? no kidding :)
[08:12] <nixternal> ya, i just noticed you seen the same sign i did in the other channel
[08:14] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia - you just going to stay up until you've got to catch that plane?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[08:16] <Madpilot> heh
[08:17] <Madpilot> if the flight's at 0500, when do you have to be @ the terminal?
[08:17] <carthik> 0400 if you don't use a face cream. 0200 if you do :)
[08:18] <Madpilot> don't bother showing up if you want to take a bottle of water onto the plane :|
[08:18] <Burgundavia> 0545, but the airport leaves downtown at 0410
[08:18] <Burgundavia> airporter, rather
[08:18] <Madpilot> getting a cab downtown, I assume? No busses at that unholy hour
[09:01] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you can take advantage of being up all night to dist-upgrade ubuntu.ca ;)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: not going to happen
[09:01] <Burgundavia> I need to get my laptop working
[09:01] <Burgundavia> tried aiglx and it failed last night
[09:01] <Madpilot> that's what eyecandy gets you :)
[09:01] <Burgundavia> no, likely a broken version of mesa
[09:03] <Madpilot> you running Edgy on the laptop too?
[09:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:03] <Burgundavia> aiglx is not available in dapper
[09:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: apparently I am no aiglx enabled
[09:15] <Burgundavia> however, I have no idea what to do now
[09:15] <Madpilot> enjoy the bling?
[09:15] <Madpilot> ;)
[09:15] <Burgundavia> there is no bling
[09:17] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, fwiw, i had aiglx running on dapper the other night...it was pretty cool, but i got sick of gnome really quick ;)
[09:17] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am using aiglx and metacity
[09:17] <Burgundavia> how do I enable the bling?
[09:17] <nixternal> i followed the forums and it worked right from the get go
[09:17] <nixternal> at term type
[09:17] <nixternal> compiz-start
[09:18] <nixternal> that should start the bling
[09:18] <Burgundavia> right, using metacity, not compiz
[09:18] <nixternal> doh
[09:18] <nixternal> i couldn't tell ya then ;)
[09:18] <nixternal> i thought compiz was the bling..then again, i really haven't read up on it...only seen the screencasts
[09:18] <Burgundavia> right, but metacity has some bling around as well
[09:24] <Burgundavia> at least I got AIGLX running
[09:24] <Burgundavia> I will play with compiz later
[09:24] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia, compiz is pretty cool...i like some of the bling it offers, as it is actually functional..however, there is some bling i could do without
[09:24] <Burgundavia> right
[09:36] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg or http://192.168.1.61/gnome-is-people.svg ?
[09:41] <mdke> the latter looks like it's on your home network
[09:42] <mdke> (as opposed to the internet)
[09:47] <Burgundavia> mdke: oh, sorry, replace the 192 addy with ubuntu-ca.org
[09:47] <Burgundavia> I cannot access my server from the url at home
[09:57] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i prefer the second one you listed.. it's not as cliche a pic
[09:58] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: the 4 people?
[09:59] <elkbuntu> yes
[09:59] <elkbuntu> the other one is just too 'msn-like'
[09:59] <elkbuntu> imho
[09:59] <Burgundavia> I value all input
[10:04] <jenda> damn... what was that
[10:06] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: ooh, what's that for?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: GNOME booth at LWE
[10:07] <Burgundavia> 11x17 poster
[10:07] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ignore the issue with the fonts and the cutoff, those are easy to deal with
[10:07] <Burgundavia> focus on teh words and the overall layout
[10:07] <matthewrevell> matthewrevell: Cool. As elkbuntu said, I think the four people version works best.
[10:07] <Burgundavia> glad you are good at talking to yourself there. Maybe that is why you make a good lugradio host ;)
[10:07] <matthewrevell> I wish I had chance to look at the brochure, but I'm chock busy today :(
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Sorry, just popped in to see what was going on.
[10:08] <Burgundavia> no worries
[10:08] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: can you give it 10 secs? does it stand out?
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: looking now
[10:08] <matthewrevell> bur
[10:08] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: waiting for the pdf
[10:09] <Burgundavia> my server might be slow
[10:09] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I know it's easy for me to look at this and point out the bits I think don't work...
[10:09] <matthewrevell> so, sorry
[10:09] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:09] <matthewrevell> but it does feel a bit cluttered to me
[10:09] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:10] <Burgundavia> something I was concerned about too
[10:10] <matthewrevell> What's the LWE audience?
[10:10] <matthewrevell> developers?
[10:10] <Burgundavia> and users, business people mostly
[10:11] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I think, then, it focuses too much of features/technologies, rather than benefits. Again,e asy for me to say.
[10:11] <matthewrevell> just a bit
[10:11] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:11] <Burgundavia> something a lot of marketing fails at
[10:11] <matthewrevell> I mean, I'd want to know why I should care that it's released every six months
[10:11] <matthewrevell> To me, as a business user, that could be more of a liability
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:13] <matthewrevell> I'd be happy to give more thorough comments by email.
[10:13] <matthewrevell> If that'd be useful
[10:14] <matthewrevell> BTW - I don't understand the "More thanjust a Calculator" line
[10:14] <matthewrevell> Is there a brand of calculator called "Gnome" in the US and Canada?
[10:14] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ok, will dig around further
[10:15] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: Who did the copy?
[10:15] <matthewrevell> I mean, did you?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> the text? some of me and some of davyd
[10:16] <Burgundavia> adapted from an old brochure
[10:16] <matthewrevell> Right.
[10:17] <Burgundavia> ok, thanks for the feedback
[10:17] <matthewrevell> noprobs.
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I don't realistically if I am going to have time to fix it
[10:18] <Burgundavia> we need to have *something* to hand out
[10:18] <matthewrevell> I'd be interested in rewriting the copy.
[10:18] <matthewrevell> When do you need it for?
[10:18] <matthewrevell> (I'm not saying my version would be perfect, but it's another option).
[10:19] <Burgundavia> yesterday?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> by the end of the day, your time, would be smashing
[10:20] <matthewrevell> Ah, today's pretty difficult, but I'd love to find time for it.
[10:20] <matthewrevell> I'll try to get something over later./
[10:20] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:07] <jenda> rjian: ping?
[11:07] <jenda> I don't like your username. Please confirm not being a bot...
[11:08] <Burgundavia> jenda: he is indeed a non-bot
[11:08] <jenda> OK, sorry.
[11:08] <Burgundavia> no worries. He should still change it
[11:10] <KenSentMe|afk> What's wrong with that name?
[11:10] <Burgundavia> KenSentMe: he has bot as his name
[11:10] <KenSentMe> Hi, btw
[11:11] <Madpilot> KenSentMe, not his nick, but the first part of his actual username
[11:11] <Madpilot> "bot@..."
[11:11] <KenSentMe> Ah, i see now
[11:11] <KenSentMe> Never look at that part when someone logs in
[11:13] <KenSentMe> How do you set that username? Can i change it somewhere?
[11:13] <Madpilot> I generally check that sort of thing, but then being an op in #ubuntu causes certain kinds of paranoia ;)
[11:14] <Madpilot> KenSentMe, in XChat's setup, it's listed as "Username"
[11:14] <KenSentMe> I use irssi
[11:14] <KenSentMe> But i know where to look
[11:37] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: email received and response sent
[11:38] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: UWN is a newspaper and journalism is hard(TM)
[11:38] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: erm, okay, that's fine, I just wanted to know where you guys found the info.
[11:39] <Burgundavia> matthewrevell: brains, igor, ours brains!!!
[11:42] <matthewrevell> Burgundavia: I'm happy to do the legwork, but just wanted some pointers.
[11:47] <Burgundavia> being a reporter is also a great way to "get out into the community" so to speak
[11:57] <matthewrevell> cool
[12:16] <jenda> Hey MenZa
[12:16] <MenZa> hi
[12:20] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[12:22] <Burgundavia> off to catch my flight, cya all
[01:14] <KenSentMe> I have a question about the Fridge rss-feed. Why do some posts show up three times in my rss reader Liferea?
[01:15] <KenSentMe> Is the feed a buggy one and shouldn't we fix it?
[01:16] <Madpilot> I've seen bugs like that with other feeds in my RSS reader (Opera's onboard one), so it's not just your RSS reader, whatever the bug is
[01:18] <KenSentMe> Well, if it is buggy, then we should do something about it. It's a bit bad to have a buggy feed from an organisation that produces software
[01:24] <mdke> you might want to raise it with the fridge team
[01:25] <mdke> even better, offer to fix it, if you have some experience with drupal
[01:26] <KenSentMe> mdke: sadly i don't. But maybe i can find the source of the problem
[01:26] <mdke> you can get hold of the fridge team at fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:27] <mdke> I have to say I can't see the problem on my feed reader (netvibes)
[01:31] <digitalmouse> which feed exactly?  I can try with my reader to see if I get the same behaviour
[01:32] <mdke> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/feed
[01:44] <KenSentMe> I've installed a second feed reader, so now i only have to wait for a new double thread
[01:47] <KenSentMe> I've found out that i get double posts when something is changed in the post, like spelling correction or something
[01:52] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Isn't it just normal behaviour for an updated post to re-appear in a feed? You can, usually, configure your reader to ignore updated posts.
[02:24] <jenda> MenZa: Great thing you're coming this way. You think school would let you drop off for a bit and have a beer or something ;)
[02:28] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: i don't know for sure, but i thought that in my feed reader updated posts become unread again and aren't double posted
[02:28] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: looking for examples now
[02:29] <jenda> MenZa: you could even save for shipping and simply bring the stickers.
[02:29] <MenZa> jenda: I'm 15, I doubt I'll be allowed to get a beer ;)
[02:29] <MenZa> jenda: Whereabouts do you live?
[02:30] <MenZa> Thursday, Sept. 28 I'll be in Prague.
[02:30] <jenda> MenZa: Getting a beer in Prague is no problem from the age of 3 or 4, and I live in the center of Prague.
[02:30] <jenda> 
[02:30] <MenZa> Well, I doubt the school would allow me anyway ;)
[02:31] <MenZa> Well we could perhaps meet in Prague and I could give you the stickers at some point then... maybe.
[02:31] <jenda> (Of course, under the presumption that you want a beer - and in Prague, you are only expected to want a beer since about 10)
[02:31] <MenZa> I don't know what the teachers'll say
[02:31] <MenZa> hah
[02:31] <MenZa> Yes, I like beer ;)
[02:31] <jenda> Well, if they give you any time off - be sure to drop a line 
[02:32] <MenZa> I will :)
[02:32] <MenZa> My teacher said something about going to the opera at some point.
[02:34] <MenZa> Live close to where that's located?
[02:40] <mdke> matthewrevell: perhaps if we avoid "create new revision" it will solve the problem
[02:41] <matthewrevell> mdke: I've unticked that, but the update still appears in the feed.
[02:42] <matthewrevell> mdke: It also appears that a new forum topic is created each time a story re-appears in the feed
[02:42] <mdke> yeah, saw that
[02:43] <jenda> MenZa: yes
[02:43] <jenda> quite close
[02:43] <jenda> How long will the stay be?
[02:43] <MenZa> Just one day in Prague.
[02:43] <jenda> I see
[02:44] <jenda> in that case, it ain't all that probable that they'll let you wander off. But we could just meet en passant somewhere.
[02:44] <MenZa> Yes, probably :)
[02:45] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: which version of drupal do you use for the fridge?
[02:48] <digitalmouse> drupal eevviill!  either that or I have stupid clients...  most clients can't seem to get their head around Drupal's node terminology... yet Joomla or MODx seem to be fairly 'idiot-proof' for people new to CMSs...  but otherwise drupal is nicely done.
[02:48] <digitalmouse> *change 'yet' to 'but'
[02:49] <KenSentMe> I've only used joomla, never tried drupal actually
[02:51] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: you're evil ;)
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[02:52] <digitalmouse> latest drupal and joomla are quite nice, in my opinion...  just my clients seems to figure out joomla faster for some reason
[02:53] <digitalmouse> maybe the interface is easier to 'grok'
[02:53] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Sorry, not sure on the version
[03:06] <johnlittle> did my comments to the fridge list go through?
[03:33] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, someone on the -marketing list seems to have gotten confused about you using the ubuntu site template
[03:35] <mdke> johnlittle: which comments?
[03:36] <KenSentMe> mdke: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2006-August/000978.html
[03:37] <mdke> KenSentMe: that isn't written by johnlittle
[03:38] <johnlittle> mdke: sorry - the comments to the fridge developers list about clean urls
[03:38] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: saw that
[03:38] <KenSentMe> mdke: sorry, was confused by elkbuntu's post, sorry
[03:39] <mdke> johnlittle: only the first one, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/fridge-devel/2006-August/000903.html
[03:39] <mdke> nothing since my reply to that
[03:39] <johnlittle> mdke: cant see that..login required
[03:40] <mdke> johnlittle: you're subscribed, aren't you?
[03:40] <johnlittle> mdke: ahh nm gmail burried your reply
[03:40] <mdke> it's your subscription login
[03:43] <johnlittle> mdke: got it..thanks
[03:51] <mdke> johnlittle: any ideas about what is needed source-wise?
[03:55] <johnlittle> mdke: I just replied to you
[03:56] <johnlittle> mdke: It's minor..template urls may be hardcoded and need tweaking and there may be a minor .htaccess edit required
[03:56] <johnlittle> mdke: not really coding - just edits
[03:57] <mdke> johnlittle: ok, let's move to #ubuntu-fridge
[04:21] <johnlittle> amazing how much european traffic im getting after the fridge plug..ubuntu must be doing well in europe
[04:21] <mindspin> it does
[04:21] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I'm about to write up a story on the free Ubuntu stick offer.
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I checked with them first, though, and thet seem happy enough.
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Concerned it might overwhelm them.
[04:22] <johnlittle> the system76 guys?
[04:22] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: yup
[04:22] <johnlittle> cool
[04:25] <johnlittle> I'm getting contacted by some of the people behind the videos ive posted already.
[04:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: positive?
[04:27] <johnlittle> very..theyre offering to create more
[04:28] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: superb!
[04:54] <digitalmouse> johnlitte:  (regarding your 'amazed at the european traffic) yes indeed! I'm in north-western Germany, and I do what I can to promote ubuntu- I also point people regularly to the Fridge
[04:54] <digitalmouse> johnlittle*
[04:55] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ah, that explains it :-D
[04:55] <johnlittle> Digitalmouse: Great! I'm seeing lots of traffic from Germany
[04:56] <digitalmouse> although I'm a little annoyed that my recent requests for more CDs have been rejected - but that's not the topic at hand (*goes back to sleep*)
[04:57] <digitalmouse> I've probably dropped 30+ production CDs, and nearly as many self-burned copies to the unwashed MS masses... I'd say about 45% of them have left the 'dark side'
[04:59] <digitalmouse> working on some kind of kubuntu/LTSP combo, and have dropped this idea to many locals, so it's possible that a large chunk of the Germany hits are people looking this stuff up to see what I was talking about :-p
[05:01] <mindspin> could we do anything that merketing-tem members can get "more" cd's ?
[05:01] <mindspin> marketing -team
[05:03] <matthewrevell> mindspin: I've never used ShipIt, but I imagine that they judge each case on the information they're given.
[05:04] <matthewrevell> mindspin: If we were in a position where we had a coordinated campaign that required ShipIt CDs and we gave them enough notice, I'm sure we could come to an arrangement with Canonical.
[05:04] <mindspin> you can not give that much info over their website
[05:04] <johnlittle> http://planet.gnome.org/
[05:05] <jenda> Yes, organised campaigns do get large amounts of CDs if needed.
[05:05] <mdke> matthewrevell: yes, absolutely you can get significant numbers of cds
[05:05] <mdke> especially through locoteam initiatives
[05:05] <mindspin> While we will consider all requests, due to extremely high demand we may choose to send a smaller number of CDs, or refuse your request altogether.
[05:05] <mindspin> Requesting a smaller number of CDs or a standard option will increase your chances of having the request approved. Remember, you can reuse the CDs!
[05:06] <jenda> Gah, please don't paste.
[05:06] <mindspin> that#s what is stated on shipit when you go for larger amounts of cd's
[05:06] <matthewrevell> ShipIt is, AFAIK, unique. Freespire, for example, will be charging its community for similar CDs.
[05:07] <matthewrevell> As jenda and mdke say, if we have a coordinated campaign and can justify the need for larger numbers of CDs, they'll help us.
[05:07] <mdke> of course
[05:07] <mindspin> I have no problem with burning the cd#s by myself, its the  printed cardboard box which looks far ore professional ;-)
[05:07] <jenda> yes
[05:08] <digitalmouse> mindspin, my last 2 orders from shipit *were* standard orders (a default selection of i386, 64-bit, and PPC CDs) for ubuntu and Kubuntu.  and both rejected :-(
[05:09] <mindspin> huh, so I was lucky, getting my "standard order" for kubuntu cd's
[05:09] <matthewrevell> mindspin: That depends on how many previous orders digitalmouse had made recently.
[05:09] <digitalmouse> previous order for kubuntu CDs were sent ok.. just my recent requests were bumped off
[05:10] <digitalmouse> two sets of Breezy, one set of Dapper <-- these came ok, no trouble.   2 new requests for ubuntu and kubuntu standard orders:  rejected
[05:10] <digitalmouse> (er.. last 2 sets were dapper)
[05:10] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: There's a balance to be found, here. Of course, Canonical benefit from the distribution of ShipIt CDs. However, the CDs are a limited resource. If you've had a lot recently, or Germany has had loads, they may look to send to other people/countries the next time.
[05:11] <mindspin> we gave away about 1000 at linuxtag in may
[05:11] <mdke> yep, free CDs are not a right, but a privilege
[05:12] <digitalmouse> true, and good point... guess I'll need to invest in a couple of stacks of CDs, and use my new portable DVD burner (Philips model) - it has a grayscale printer built into the burner.  I'll use that to create professional labels for now until Canonical catches up
[05:12] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Wow, that sounds like a cool device.
[05:12] <mdke> digitalmouse: your local team may be able to help
[05:12] <mindspin> haha
[05:12] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: i can confirm now that my feed reader just makes posts unread if they are changed and not makes a new post (except for the fridge)
[05:13] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Arg :) Okay, thanks. It's been raised a few times now, but we need server access to fix it.
[05:13] <digitalmouse> don't have the model here, but I'll pass it on...   it burn on a specially covered Phillips CDs/DVDs... sort like the old dotmatrix printers that 'burned' or 'etched' images onto paper without needing ink... it gives a nice grayscale label output directly on the surface of the media...
[05:13] <digitalmouse> gotta run.. catch oyu folks later
[05:13] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: do you already now how to fix it?
[05:13] <digitalmouse> you*
[05:14] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: I don't, but we have a couple of offers of Drupal help.
[05:14] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: cool
[05:23] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: ping
[05:23] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, pong
[05:24] <johnlittle> Have you been swamped with emails since the counter went live?
[05:24] <elkbuntu> not really, ive had a few, mostly decent
[05:25] <johnlittle> thats good
[05:26] <elkbuntu> yours is a bit more controversial though
[05:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I think, possibly, Hubert is missing the point in his blog post.
[05:27] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: He's not your target audience.
[05:28] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: The people you are targeting, I imagine, aren't already running Ubuntu. They do use Flash, they are happy to use YouTube.
[05:28] <johnlittle> matthewrevell: exactly. I'm not going to worry about the zealots. I'm confident in my mission :)
[05:29] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I believe in free software. I also believe in pragmatism and taking our message to people.
[05:30] <matthewrevell> We can't be aloof and expect them to come to us.
[05:30] <johnlittle> same here
[05:30] <ompaul> johnlittle,  zealots are people too  (cough cough cough)
[05:30] <johnlittle> theres a place for us all ;)
[05:30] <ompaul> johnlittle, here in lies the truth
[05:31] <ompaul> anyone think the old marketing list is gone a little quiet?
[05:31] <ompaul> I should stop
[05:31] <johnlittle> opaul: need a drama fix?
[05:31] <ompaul> johnlittle, hahaha
[05:32] <ompaul> a brilliant repost sire, I shall retire and laugh with the merryment
[05:32] <johnlittle> the ML and this channel seem like two different groups entirely
[05:32] <ompaul> yeap
[05:32] <ompaul> methinks some of the mailing list should actually be invited into the channel
[05:33] <johnlittle> scary thought
[05:33] <johnlittle> we tend to get some work done in here..not much debate about what is love? and the inclusiveness of marketing blabber
[05:34] <ompaul> johnlittle, no I think after they were told in a chorus two or three times "Nooo thanks" they might try to engage within the normal scope of irc
[05:34] <johnlittle> maybe
[05:36] <elkbuntu> ompaul, you noticed the 27hour lack of something also?
[05:36] <ompaul> elkbuntu, yeap
[05:42] <ompaul> sorry about the length of the next one I have reworked it twice -- it needs more
[05:42] <ompaul> one of the assumptions that people make when they approach any FLOSS project (in particular for the first time) is that they assume that it would work better if X was in place, I think what I wanted to get across in my (this is the phrase I struggled to define for the last few weeks) "community map" is that there is no "leadership" in whatever their domain of expertise is, rather than seeing it as a disruptive technology and as such its in
[05:42] <ompaul> terfaces are none obvious, to present them in a simple binary questionaire might be the easiest - do you want to find out more a) yes (send me anywhere) b) yes I have a technical problem c) yes I think this rocks and I can't see a way to participate can you show me one, is that a reasonable way of phrasing the question
[05:45] <matthewrevell> ompaul: you need a blog :)
[05:46] <ompaul> matthewrevell, maybe
[05:46] <nixternal> blogs are bad
[05:46] <nixternal> they are evil
[05:46] <ompaul> nixternal, and why is this?
[05:47] <matthewrevell> :)
[05:47] <nixternal> i don't know, but if and when i find out, i will make sure you are the first person i tell ;)
[05:47] <ompaul> hehehe
[05:47] <nixternal> ok, i know
[05:47] <nixternal> i spent all day messing with mine trying to get it to look different than others, thats why
[05:48] <ompaul> nixternal, no that is Tuesdays are evil
[05:48] <nixternal> and 2, i have been so cheap, that i run other peoples domains and what not, but have never gotten my own...what kind of geek am i?
[05:48] <nixternal> sounds like you got a case of the Mondays
[05:48] <nixternal> ;)
[05:49] <ompaul> nixternal, no I have the fridays 6pm and why am I still in work syndrome
[05:49] <ompaul> nixternal, I don't let this stuff drop at all
[05:50] <ompaul> right to the wordsmiths foundry
[08:11] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/about_ubuntu_video
[08:12] <johnlittle> Added an additional disclaimer since some people seemed fuzzy about the whole thing
[08:16] <MitchM> very good work there johnlittle
[08:17] <johnlittle> Thanks
[08:17] <MitchM> Where do you have that hosted?
[08:17] <johnlittle> hostingmatters
[08:17] <MitchM> how much does that run?
[08:17] <johnlittle> great company. I've used the for about 4 years
[08:18] <MitchM> I'll have to look into that
[08:18] <johnlittle> Um $11 a month now but I'll probably have to up it to a higher bandwidth account within a week
[08:18] <MitchM> Getting good traffic?
[08:19] <johnlittle> for a new site very good but I expect it to grow: http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s25ubuntuvideo&r=6
[08:19] <MitchM> not bad at all
[08:20] <MitchM> You partake at all in SpreadUbuntu?
[08:20] <johnlittle> The fridge article is getting it noticed but I haven't been around long enough to seed the search engines much
[08:20] <johnlittle> I'm not directly involved in that..my understanding is that it's kind of in flux..maybe being folded into the fridge
[08:20] <johnlittle> I don't know for sure though
[08:21] <MitchM> very cool
[08:21] <MitchM> Trying to get a grasp myself of everything thats going on in the puzzle of ubuntu
[08:21] <johnlittle> Good luck :)
[08:21] <MitchM> hard to jump in somewhere when your just starting
[08:22] <MitchM> well if you need any help with anything I do some web design stuff and I can host sites for free
[08:22] <johnlittle> Read up on the team wiki and talk to people but don't be afraid to take initiative either.
[08:23] <MitchM> read the wiki I have
[08:23] <MitchM> idle here is what I came up with
[08:23] <MitchM> =)
[08:23] <johnlittle> Not a bad plan
[08:23] <johnlittle> Most of the actul work seems to originate out of this channel as opposed to the mailing list
[08:23] <MitchM> well thats good news for me I suppose
[08:24] <MitchM> Looking for a gap to put my foot in
[08:24] <johnlittle> Good idea to sign up at the launchpad and fill out your personal wiki as well so people can get to know you - you can post your ideas or service offerings there too
[08:25] <MitchM> I am on the launchpad team
[08:25] <MitchM> not exactly familiar with the system yet
[08:26] <MitchM> but I have a profile and a pgp key listed
[08:26] <johnlittle> Same here..it doesn't seem to play much of a role in day to day work for the team
[08:27] <johnlittle> It
[08:27] <johnlittle> It's more of a roster
[08:27] <MitchM> ah gotcha...
[08:28] <MitchM> Where would I post service offerings?
[08:28] <MitchM> I.E. Free hosting for ubuntu related sties
[08:29] <johnlittle> Look at some of the team members wikis (listed in their launchpad pages) or on the marketing team project list to get an idea of what kind of content is out there
[08:29] <johnlittle> nixternals is good: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal
[08:29] <johnlittle> You can essentially format it however you like..within reason
[08:30] <johnlittle> You get to yours via your launchpad bio..click on wiki then edit.
[08:32] <MitchM> ah very nice.
[08:32] <MitchM> your help is greatly appreciated =)
[08:32] <MitchM> any areas you know of where I can "put my foot in the water"?
[08:32] <MitchM> I know there have been many items on the mailing lists etc. etc.
[08:33] <MitchM> but I don't exactly know where to start
[08:33] <johnlittle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[08:34] <johnlittle> the project section is best. You can also bring your own ideas to the table but they should be things that you can take the lead on and execute...getting community support will take some effort and coordination
[08:35] <MitchM> and where would one submit ideas?
[08:35] <MitchM> just in the mailing list?
[08:36] <MitchM> *reads the projects page and finds answer*
[08:36] <johnlittle> You can do that. I'm leaning towards a wiki-based proposal though. That's how I'd do it anyway.
[08:36] <MitchM> ah very good =)
[08:36] <johnlittle> FYI theres plenty of brainstorming but fewer people working.
[08:36] <johnlittle> working is good
[08:37] <MitchM> I like working,
[08:37] <MitchM> Just need to again find out where my skills can come in handy
[08:38] <johnlittle> Yep. Don't be afraid to think small either. Everybody wants to think big in marketing but sometimes thinking small, and actually doing something, gets you further along
[08:40] <MitchM> hmm good advice
[08:41] <MitchM> it seems that wiki leads to wiki that leads to wiki
[08:41] <johnlittle> Yep you can get lost in wikis
[08:42] <johnlittle> Oh, and youre always welcome to make videos for Ubuntu Video :)
[08:42] <johnlittle> always gotta add that
[08:43] <johnlittle> I don't even care if you post your companies url on your title screen or something..as long as the video is informative for the viewers
[08:44] <MitchM> hmm ... that could work
[08:45] <MitchM> any specific program you use for capturing video?
[08:45] <johnlittle> I don't mess with videos at all..theres some links on the share page though
[08:45] <MitchM> very cool; I will delve into that
[08:45] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/share_your_ubuntu_with_the_world
[08:49] <MitchM> very cool
[08:52] <johnlittle> It doens't have to be a screencast though..you can put on a penguin suit and raid a mall or something
[08:52] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:52] <johnlittle> Disclaimer: john little didn't say that
[08:52] <MenZa> not a bad idea, johnlittle.
[08:53] <johnlittle> menza: i want tons of practical tutorials and stuff but I wouldn't mind some activism and even entertaining stuff as long as its related
[08:53] <MenZa> if only I had a camera..
[08:54] <johnlittle> Ah surely you can find one somehwere..they come with ahppy meals now
[08:54] <johnlittle> cameras are everywhere
[08:54] <johnlittle> happy meals
[08:55] <johnlittle> could be..that would be awesome
[08:56] <MitchM> =)
[08:56] <johnlittle> it's all about getting attention for Ubuntu so mixing in some flashy stuff wouldnt hurt
[08:56] <johnlittle> people wont be seduced by open source panel discussions
[08:57] <johnlittle> well most won't anyway
[08:57] <MitchM> the ones that are.. well; we all know.
[08:57] <johnlittle> yeah they're already here
[08:58] <johnlittle> The dual monitor ut2004 video was perfect...people don't associate linux with gaming like that
[08:58] <MitchM> yeah -- agreed.
[08:58] <johnlittle> that guy is making more too..which is good
[08:58] <MitchM> gaming is still a little behind on linux though
[08:58] <MitchM> in my opinion
[08:59] <johnlittle> yeah a little but its easier with wine than people think
[08:59] <johnlittle> WoW runs great on my machine, better than on my windows 2k box..and thats what 5 million gamers?
[08:59] <MitchM> oh really?
[08:59] <MitchM> I gave up wine back in the day
[08:59] <MitchM> when Starcraft gave me problems
[09:00] <johnlittle> rean i run at 1600x1200, cranked up, flawlessly
[09:00] <MitchM> hmm...
[09:00] <johnlittle> same with quake4, ut200, enemy territory, medal of honer
[09:00] <johnlittle> ut2004
[09:01] <johnlittle> it is behind but again not the dealbreaker for most people that they assume it is
[09:02] <johnlittle> my wow screenshots: http://www.blogsofwar.com/gallery/category/screenshots/
[09:03] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: does medal of honor run well on your system
[09:03] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: with me it's much slower then on windows
[09:03] <johnlittle> you running the native linux version?
[09:04] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: i tried, but it didn't run as smooth as the windows one.
[09:04] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: and the main bummer is that the dmw anti cheat doesn't work on linux
[09:05] <johnlittle> Hm i havent played any games in a while but I havent run into performance issues
[09:05] <KenSentMe> So i can't use it, because all servers are cheat protected
[09:05] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: well, quake4 and Enemy Territory run fine
[09:06] <johnlittle> yeah ET is old..but fun :)
[09:06] <KenSentMe> yeah, i play it every day. Instead of working :p
[09:07] <johnlittle> I don't know much about the anti-cheat thing...I assume you googled it
[09:07] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: they don't support linux, it just doesn't work and i think it won't work in the near future
[09:07] <KenSentMe> They've got enough work to do to make a descent anti cheat client on windows
[09:08] <MitchM> :-P
[09:09] <johnlittle> You'd think that would be easy enough to port over..sadly it probably is
[09:11] <KenSentMe> Well, gaming is still one of the main reasons that i don't throw away windows completely
[09:14] <MitchM> same.
[09:14] <MitchM> the only really
[09:14] <johnlittle> It's going to be like that for a lot of people for a while.
[09:14] <KenSentMe> johnlittle: i'm afraid so
[09:15] <johnlittle> its a catch 22 - the gaming companies will only come around when theres a big enough market and there will only big a big enough makret when people can play their games
[09:17] <MitchM> well my attempt at installing xvidcap has ended in failure ^.^
[09:19] <johnlittle> I've never installed it. what happened?
[09:20] <MitchM> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:20] <MitchM> Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:20] <MitchM> Error: Can't open display: :0
[09:20] <KenSentMe> MitchM: it worked here too
[09:20] <MitchM> it worked?
[09:21] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45795&page=3
[09:21] <johnlittle> might want to check a couple of posts in that thread about using it with dapper
[09:22] <KenSentMe> MitchM: still does
[09:22] <MitchM> there was a libpng.so.2 error I googled on and I sym linked it to the libpng.so.3
[09:23] <MitchM> i.e. the missing libpng.so.2 symlinked to libpng.so.3
[09:25] <MitchM> hmm good thread john. Looks like that will get it done when i have a minute here...
[09:26] <johnlittle> It's ironic but I've never done video related stuff on linux
[09:27] <johnlittle> I hope it gets a lot easier..it's an area that definitely need improving
[09:27] <johnlittle> need
[09:27] <johnlittle> er needs
[09:29] <MitchM> =P
[09:34] <johnlittle> interesting http://www.eefoof.com/
[09:35] <johnlittle> that company pays video submitters based on hits
[09:35] <johnlittle> so ubuntu video contributers could actually profit
[09:35] <MitchM> hmm interesting
[09:36] <matthewrevell> anyone else around earlier, when Burgundavia posted a link to his Gnome handout?
[09:37] <johnlittle> nope
[09:37] <poningru> matthewrevell: the pdfs?
[09:37] <poningru> yeah I think I have the links hold on
[09:37] <matthewrevell> poningru: Yehah
[09:37] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/why-gnome-brochure.pdf
[09:38] <matthewrevell> thanks!
[09:38] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg
[09:38] <poningru> http://ubuntu-ca.org/gnome-is-people2.svg
[09:38] <poningru> np
[09:39] <johnlittle> oh i think i see a typo on that
[09:39] <johnlittle> the pdf..recomilation..should that be recompilation
[09:40] <johnlittle> in the stable section at the bottom
[09:41] <poningru> true
[11:01] <matthewrevell> Okay, the mailing list is a scary place.
[11:02] <matthewrevell> It must be an intimidating place to new people.
[11:02] <matthewrevell> Any suggestions for fixing the windbag-overload>
[11:03] <mdke> continue asking people to give it a rest, and point newcomers towards the wiki?
[11:04] <matthewrevell> I'm worried that people will think we're getting repetetive
[11:04] <mdke> this team seems to attract craziness :/
[11:06] <matthewrevell> Yup.
[11:18] <johnlittle> yeah I would have bailed if I hadn't finished my project before joining :)
[11:19] <johnlittle> Those who haven't found their way here must be really confused..quite possible scared
[11:19] <johnlittle> possibly
[11:19] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: I think the only way to fix that will be to get on and do stuff.
[11:20] <johnlittle> meaning?
[11:23] <johnlittle> matthewrevell: do stuff?
[11:23] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Basically, I've no intention of replying to the madder than a badger stuff, any more. The only way to get over it is to ignore it and actually do things, as you have.
[11:24] <matthewrevell> Hopefully, if we starve the mad stuff, it'll die off.
[11:24] <matthewrevell> We can then get on with doing the marketing work
[11:24] <matthewrevell> :)
[11:24] <johnlittle> agreed. I'd just ignore it..they'll either roll up their sleeves and do something or waddle off
[11:24] <matthewrevell> right, must go
[11:25] <matthewrevell> night all
[11:25] <johnlittle> cya