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| bddebian | Hello | 01:40 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 02:14 |
| ogra | sbalneav ! | 02:17 |
| sbalneav | ogra! | 02:17 |
| sbalneav | Burning the midnight oil? | 02:17 |
| ogra | heh, a bit | 02:17 |
| sbalneav | I was just going to address pitti round two, then start looking at ltsp-manager. | 02:17 |
| ogra | we need to change your naming in /media | 02:17 |
| sbalneav | Sure, what would you like? | 02:18 |
| ogra | ogra2-cdrom wont be recognized by g-v-m | 02:18 |
| ogra | make it /media/ogra2/cdrom | 02:18 |
| sbalneav | Oh! Will it "see" into subdirectories? | 02:18 |
| pygi | ogra, you have a sec for me? | 02:18 |
| sbalneav | Sure, easy peasy. | 02:18 |
| ogra | sbalneav, yup, totally | 02:18 |
| ogra | :) | 02:18 |
| ogra | then we have the right icons | 02:18 |
| sbalneav | gimme 5 five minutes. | 02:19 |
| ogra | i'll have to rethink cdpinger | 02:19 |
| ogra | :/ | 02:19 |
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| ogra | since ltspfsd constantly triggers CDROM.CDROM_DISC_STATUS ... | 02:19 |
| sbalneav | Want me to put some thought to that? I had a couple of idears anyway. I'll hash 'em out, try to get something something working. | 02:20 |
| ogra | shouldnt be a big prob, i can check for CDROM_DISC_CHANGED | 02:20 |
| ogra | but now that i got the current code working some funnny things started to hapen, like nautilus popping up a window everytime ltspfsd triggers the cd | 02:21 |
| ogra | pygi, yep | 02:21 |
| pygi | ogra, why would I get "/usr/include/libburn/0/libburn/" instead of normal "/usr/include/libburn/libburn"? | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 02:22 |
| ogra | phew, no idea | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | you guys are still awake | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:22 |
| pygi | ogra, this is bugging me :-/ | 02:22 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, hardly | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | you're all supposed to sleep | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 02:22 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, 2:23 am | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:22 |
| ogra | hmm | 02:22 |
| ogra | seems croatia is 1 munite ahead of me | 02:23 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, I can't sleep until I solve this, so ^_^ | 02:23 |
| ogra | *minute | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | i hear ya i've been there | 02:23 |
| pygi | any solutions? | 02:23 |
| pygi | ogra, hehe :) | 02:23 |
| ogra | not really, find out why the 0 is added :) | 02:24 |
| pygi | o joy, will bug someone else later then :) | 02:24 |
| pygi | once I wake up, I hope :P | 02:24 |
| ogra | are you talking abou tthe package build or the compiler run ? | 02:24 |
| pygi | this doesn't have anything to do with package | 02:25 |
| ogra | ok, so its the linking ... | 02:25 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Do you want ltspmount to make the intermediate "/media/uid/" directory, or will the script do it? | 02:25 |
| sbalneav | no, wait, I have to do it | 02:26 |
| sbalneav | I'm the setuid one | 02:26 |
| ogra | i'm fine leaving that to ltspmount | 02:26 |
| ogra | yeah | 02:26 |
| sbalneav | k, | 02:26 |
| pygi | ogra, oki, thanks anyway ^_^ | 02:26 |
| sbalneav | that will take.... more than 5 minutes :( | 02:26 |
| ogra | oh, right ... you need to add a lot of checks :( | 02:27 |
| ogra | hmm, easy ... the cdpinger just needs a check if /dev/cdrom is in /proc/mounts | 02:35 |
| sbalneav | smart | 02:35 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: ok, got it. Haven't addressed a couple of pitti's concern's yet, but It works for testing. emailing.... | 02:49 |
| sbalneav | sended | 02:50 |
| ogra | hrm | 03:05 |
| ogra | /proc/mounts doesnt help | 03:05 |
| ogra | i should stop for today ... | 03:05 |
| ogra | indeed it gets unmounted by ltspfsd | 03:05 |
| ogra | so it doesnt show up in /proc/mounts | 03:05 |
| ogra | sbalneav, how do you work around that problem in lbus ? | 03:06 |
| sbalneav | Well, in lbus, adding a cdrom doesn't actually do the mount. When it detects MEDIA, then it does the mount. | 03:07 |
| ogra | right | 03:07 |
| ogra | cdpinger does the same | 03:07 |
| sbalneav | then you keep checking media, and when the media goes away you unmount. | 03:07 |
| ogra | hmm, i thought thats what i do as well | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | so all cdpinger needs to do, i figure, is just idle on a cdrom, and when you see media, add it to /tmp/fstab, and kick off the mount | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | So the UDEV part shouldn't add anything to fstab, but rather, when you detect a cdrom device, launch a cdpinger for it. | 03:09 |
| ogra | udev doesnt touch fstab | 03:09 |
| ogra | not for cdroms | 03:09 |
| ogra | cdpinger does everything cdrom related | 03:09 |
| sbalneav | sure it does. you touch any block device, yes? | 03:09 |
| ogra | hmm | 03:09 |
| sbalneav | or am I reading the rules wrong that keybuck gave us? | 03:10 |
| ogra | no | 03:10 |
| ogra | i'm wondering how to tell udev to exclude CDs here | 03:10 |
| sbalneav | so, isn't there a sysfs{removable} or something that could help us? | 03:10 |
| ogra | intrestingly udev did never pick up my cd here | 03:10 |
| sbalneav | I can play with that here tonight. | 03:11 |
| sbalneav | get some sleep, or you'll fall over. | 03:11 |
| sbalneav | mail me what you've got so far, and I'll work with it. | 03:11 |
| ogra | its currntly totally ripped apart | 03:11 |
| ogra | leave the cdpinger part to me ... | 03:11 |
| sbalneav | so? I'm good at jigsaws! tar it up, dude, I'm here to help! | 03:12 |
| ogra | no, i mean the code is unusable atm | 03:13 |
| ogra | its in the middle of a shuffle ... | 03:13 |
| ogra | i'd like to keep the overview in that one ... but i'll package the other stuff now | 03:13 |
| sbalneav | ok, well, I'll play around and see if I can come up with some ideas. I was going to address pitti's concerns tonight as well. | 03:14 |
| ogra | i think essentially ltspfsd shouldt unmount cdroms ... | 03:14 |
| ogra | *shouldnt | 03:14 |
| sbalneav | well, that's easy enough | 03:14 |
| ogra | its not needed | 03:14 |
| sbalneav | quick modify to /sbin/ltspfs_mount script. | 03:15 |
| ogra | there will be no write operations unless we implemented burning over ltspfs ;) | 03:15 |
| ogra | which i plan to do together with audiocd support | 03:15 |
| ogra | in edgy+n | 03:15 |
| sbalneav | ah, well, that's for the next version. By then we'll be all muekow, so it'll be easier. | 03:15 |
| ogra | erm, if i modify the ltspfs_mount script that wont solve the frequent unmounting | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | sorry, _umount | 03:18 |
| sbalneav | :) | 03:18 |
| ogra | meh, i'm really to tired | 03:18 |
| ogra | indeed | 03:18 |
| sbalneav | sleep, sleepyhead. | 03:19 |
| sbalneav | Let uncle scotty play for a bit :) | 03:19 |
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| ogra | hmm | 03:28 |
| ogra | ltspmounter dies if the dir in media exists ? | 03:28 |
| ogra | ha ! | 03:30 |
| ogra | works !! | 03:30 |
| ogra | gah | 03:34 |
| ogra | unmounting doesnt | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 03:38 |
| ogra | hmm | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | /o\ | 03:38 |
| ogra | why does the drive ignore fcntl.ioctl(f, CDROM.CDROM_LOCKDOOR, 0) if its mounted via ltspfs | 03:39 |
| ogra | it works fine if i just fuse mount it | 03:39 |
| sbalneav | Well, the ltspfsd isn't doing anything with ioctls at all. It simply reads files under a directory. | 03:41 |
| ogra | but apparently it blocks the tray | 03:41 |
| ogra | i'm silly | 03:44 |
| ogra | the /sbin/ltspfs_mount script would indeed need the ioctl now ... | 03:47 |
| sbalneav | Ah, so you need to mount it nolock? | 03:47 |
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| ogra | got it, but it still doesnt unmount ... | 03:53 |
| ogra | heh | 03:53 |
| ogra | i really should go to sleep ... | 03:53 |
| ogra | i just forbid ltspfsd to unmount cdroms ... | 03:53 |
| ogra | indeed it cant unmount then :) | 03:54 |
| ogra | sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev-scripts.tar.bz2 updated | 04:06 |
| ogra | (beware, the cdpinger is very noisy (but works)) | 04:06 |
| ogra | its missing a check if the cd is really mounted before running the unmount commands ... i'll jump on that tomorrow | 04:07 |
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| ogra | will do so :) | 04:11 |
| ogra | night all | 04:11 |
| ogra | :) | 04:11 |
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| CrashTest | Hi all! Can someone help me out with an OpenOffice Writer question? | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | sure but you'll probably get better replies in #ubuntu | 05:25 |
| CrashTest | Cool, well I will ask there as well :) | 05:27 |
| CrashTest | I am trying to figure out how to view "Comments" that exist in Word docs. The "Comment" menu item in "Changes" is greyed out. | 05:28 |
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| jsgotangco | why does this thing look oversized :/ | 07:27 |
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| sbalneav | Snore. Old man /me's getting tired. Off to bed. | 07:36 |
| sbalneav | night | 07:36 |
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| highvoltage | morning, #edubuntu | 08:47 |
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| highvoltage | what's going on? #edubuntu is way too quiet today. | 12:15 |
| willvdl | shhh, we'we huntin wabbits | 12:27 |
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| rodarvus | good morning | 12:35 |
| willvdl | good afternoon | 12:37 |
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| highvoltage | morning rodarvus and willvdl | 12:52 |
| rodarvus | hey willvdl, highvoltage | 12:57 |
| RichEd | hi guys ... been lurking while I cath up on other stuff | 12:58 |
| rodarvus | hi RichEd | 12:59 |
| === rodarvus is preparing himself to next week's developers sprint | ||
| RichEd | rodarvus: will i get the OLPC status info from you soon ? i'd prefer to have it before we have our core meeting | 01:00 |
| RichEd | even a high level one to start ... we can drill down when time permits | 01:00 |
| rodarvus | RichEd, I wanted to have a formal plan before sending you this, but I can send a high level one in a few minutes if you want | 01:01 |
| rodarvus | (doing that) | 01:01 |
| RichEd | thanks ... we can then do a education core meeting tomorrow some time ... quick 30 mins | 01:01 |
| RichEd | ( not a long session like ladt week :) i know you & ogra are both busy bees | 01:02 |
| rodarvus | I believe I'll be able to have most (low level) stuff ready for the end of the day today | 01:02 |
| RichEd | last <- ladt | 01:02 |
| ogra | rodarvus, do you know when we have the distro meeting tomorrow ? | 01:02 |
| rodarvus | ogra: yes, 23:00 UTC | 01:03 |
| ogra | ah, k | 01:03 |
| ogra | thats fine then | 01:03 |
| RichEd | are we all on for the meeting tonight ? and will it need 2 hours ? | 01:03 |
| === RichEd is off to a meeting at my kids school ... 1 hour max | ||
| rodarvus | RichEd, I don't think the meeting tonight will last two hours, unless one of you really has a lot to say :) | 01:11 |
| RichEd | good ... was up 'till late with emails last night energy level is -----> low | 01:12 |
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| ogra_ | hmm | 02:21 |
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| jsgotangco | ? | 02:25 |
| === RichEd sees backwards | ||
| jsgotangco | RichEd: hi! | 02:32 |
| RichEd | i think hit some strange key combo in Evolution ... when i type in the email it "writes backwards" as in "sdrakcab setirw" | 02:33 |
| RichEd | anyoje got any ideas what i did and how i odnu ? | 02:33 |
| RichEd | anyone <- anyoje | 02:33 |
| willvdl | Your keyboard is upside-down? | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | is that for real? | 02:34 |
| RichEd | i must have selected chinese or jewish input ... | 02:34 |
| rodarvus | yes, it looks like somehow you selected jewish input | 02:34 |
| RichEd | yep ... no lies ... XTalk is fine ... evolution must be in a different language mode ... | 02:34 |
| RichEd | let me open a new mail, and see if it is an individual mail or evolution wide setting ... i suspect latter | 02:35 |
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| RichEd | fine in a new mail ... strange ... | 02:35 |
| willvdl | that is fascinating | 02:36 |
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| willvdl | 1,2,3 yip, all there | 02:37 |
| willvdl | googling "evolution" + "backwards" + anything else opens up a whole new can of worms | 02:37 |
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| willvdl | Is the change of CookBook to HandBook an _official_ name change yet? | 02:43 |
| willvdl | i.e. one that reflects online? | 02:50 |
| jsgotangco | honestly i do not know its status | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | speaking of which | 02:52 |
| rodarvus | its official, I think | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | did we even have a meeting today | 02:52 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, see the fridge :P | 02:52 |
| jsgotangco | ugghh i tend to get confused with these UTC things lately | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | 4AM YAY | 02:53 |
| willvdl | 10pm. hope I'm sober | 02:54 |
| ogra | thats no essential requirement :) | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: honestly i feel i am out of the loop lately, but trying | 02:55 |
| willvdl | noticing there are quite a few online cookbook references for changing....ug | 02:55 |
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| ogra | willvdl, please talk to the cookbook team before changing any links etc ... only they know wats recent ... its a big chaos | 02:56 |
| willvdl | oh, was not going to stick fingers in. | 02:56 |
| willvdl | Just reading up on stuff and updating my bookmarks | 02:57 |
| ogra | ah | 02:57 |
| willvdl | I notice there's some duplication on www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org | 02:58 |
| willvdl | which one will be used in the future? | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | well | 03:00 |
| RichEd | willvdl: if you look at the personal wiki page for Matt Nuzum, he has noted things like TLD site duplication, and wants to build a search that goes across all possible TLDs | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | the main site runs drupal | 03:00 |
| RichEd | (in his new to the job task list observations) | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | and the wiki is moin that encompasses all the projects | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | so there's a disconnect | 03:01 |
| willvdl | ah, thanks | 03:02 |
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| RichEd | ALL: I think that due to the sprint on the horizon next week, we'll keep the meeting short & sweet tonight for the sake of Oliver & Rodrigo. They can tell us what they are up to between now and the end of the Sprint. Followed by a short update from all of us. The rest of us will meet again next week, while the dev. boys are wrapped up in a coding frenzy in Chermany.. | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 03:09 |
| willvdl | okie | 03:09 |
| RichEd | hi jsgotangco: didn't reply to your greeting ^^^ | 03:10 |
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| jsgotangco | who is will van der leij? | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 03:30 |
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| willvdl | me | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | i mean ignore me | 03:30 |
| willvdl | :) | 03:30 |
| ogra_ | willvdl, you need to create a wikipage and list your contributions and yu need to sign the code of conduct | 03:35 |
| ogra_ | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 03:36 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all! | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | hi! | 03:55 |
| sbalneav | hey jsgotangco!! | 03:55 |
| willvdl | ogra: agreed. there are a few admin thingies I need to take care of still. Will do asap | 03:56 |
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| jsgotangco | wow we now have 12 planets | 04:41 |
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| ogra_ | we have the universe (and the multiverse as well) :) | 04:41 |
| sbalneav | ogra_: Hey, dude! How's it goin' eh? | 04:42 |
| ogra_ | cdpinger done | 04:42 |
| ogra_ | i'll start to rewrite th eserver side script in python later today | 04:42 |
| ogra_ | btw, no need to bind mount cdroms | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | No? | 04:43 |
| ogra_ | gnome-vfs just picks them up, regardless wher we mount them | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | Even in /tmp? | 04:43 |
| ogra_ | i spent my morning with digging for the reason why i always had 2 cdroms on the desktop :) | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | its likely a bug in gnome-vfs :) | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | even in /tmp | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | or wherever you want | 04:44 |
| sbalneav | I'd say. I thing we should bindmount to media, if for no other reason than that's the "proper" place to put them | 04:45 |
| ogra_ | as long as the device is called cdrom | 04:45 |
| ogra_ | sure, but currently you'll have to live with two desktop and device entries in nautilus then | 04:45 |
| sbalneav | Get the new ltspmount.c last night? I was wearing out my usb port last night plugging and unplugging memory sticks. Seems to work pretty schweeeet. | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | yep | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | using it ;) | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | with the new cdpinger and ltspfsmounter (we need new names !) you now have the right icons on your desktop as well ;) | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | i'll look later today how to patch nautilus so we dot get the eject entry if LTSP_CLIENT is set | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | *dont | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | then we nly have floppies left | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | which i dont have around here | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | ogra_: well it makes any planet-based edu app in our repo obsolete :D | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | ogra_: I've got a couple of rigs with floppies. let me handle that one. | 04:50 |
| ogra_ | i think it should work out of the box, but lest see | 04:50 |
| ogra_ | *lets | 04:50 |
| ogra_ | udev should handle it just fine | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | the only think i see is that we cant get the proper icon here | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | yeah, the device node's being created, that much I know. | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | then its also mounted | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | but as soon as the label is used instead of the name floppy we wont get the right icon | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | same prob as cdroms have | 04:52 |
| ogra_ | they need to be called cdrom in /media | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | It's getting pretty nice, I gotta say. | 04:53 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 04:53 |
| ogra_ | its the sexiest localdev implementation ever :) | 04:54 |
| sbalneav | Hey, is pitti working on the blocker bug? | 04:54 |
| ogra_ | sure, he marked it "in progress" | 04:54 |
| ogra_ | and he uses to work with german precision ;) | 04:55 |
| ogra_ | so it should be fixed until release in any case | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | awesomeness. | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | ok, I'm gonna spend an hour finishing up on pitti's concerns, and autoconf/"gnu"ing it. | 04:56 |
| sbalneav | We're calling it "ltspmount", do we want another name? | 04:56 |
| ogra_ | i'll have to gnu my stuff as well :) | 04:56 |
| sbalneav | ltspbindmounter? | 04:57 |
| ogra_ | haha | 04:57 |
| ogra_ | lbinder ? | 04:57 |
| ogra_ | lbind ? | 04:57 |
| ogra_ | our names start getting quite longish :) | 04:57 |
| ogra_ | lbindmount | 04:57 |
| sbalneav | lbmount? | 04:58 |
| ogra_ | that sounds good | 04:58 |
| sbalneav | lbmount it is. | 04:58 |
| sbalneav | okie, gimme a bit. | 04:58 |
| RichEd | sbalneav: sort of the wrong channel for this question, but I see you are more active here than in #lstp at the moment. do you know the names of the fedora & debian & red hat people coming to the fest ? | 04:58 |
| RichEd | i'm motivating to mark to support my invitation :) | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | RichEd: heh, I'm in both. You're talking the summit at jammcq's in September? | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | Is that the one you're taling about? Or right now in LWCE? | 05:00 |
| RichEd | no ... i've been invited as an education observer to start some relationships - i'm the new Canonical Education Programme Manager ... and the fest is a good place to meet a whole bunch of people at once | 05:00 |
| RichEd | jammcq's yes ... and to meet Ogra as well :) we just know each other digitally and have not met as yet | 05:01 |
| sbalneav | Ah, ok well.... | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: you're talking to the next-in line god of LTSP! | 05:01 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 05:01 |
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| sbalneav | Fedora: Warren Togami, head of Fedora | 05:01 |
| sbalneav | Debian: vagrantc, hangs out in #ltsp all the time | 05:02 |
| ogra | jsgotangco ++ | 05:02 |
| === RichEd is humble and well aware of the impeccable credentials :) | ||
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| sbalneav | Ubuntu: Ogra, teutonic Edubuntu warrior | 05:02 |
| ogra | heh :) | 05:02 |
| sbalneav | and I think jammcq's gonna see if he can shame someone from SuSE into coming. | 05:03 |
| sbalneav | On the LTSP side, we'll have jammcq, me, and gadi. | 05:03 |
| === ogra goes to swing his teutonic lawnmower for a moment now ... | ||
| RichEd | + Eric Harrison ... Eri & Jim & Oliver yourself are the primary reason to come | 05:03 |
| RichEd | the rest are a bonus ! | 05:04 |
| sbalneav | jsgotangco: next in line God? Please, my proper title is demi-God :) | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | ack! | 05:04 |
| sbalneav | Ah, yes, Eric as well, how could I forget. | 05:04 |
| === jsgotangco begs for divine mercy | ||
| RichEd | hope that's no relation to demi-Moore ;) | 05:04 |
| sbalneav | Granted, my child :) | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | come to where? | 05:05 |
| RichEd | What name does vagrantc go by when he walks the real world ? | 05:05 |
| sbalneav | It should be awesome. | 05:06 |
| sbalneav | Umm, hold on lemme look | 05:06 |
| RichEd | And is the RedHat person a reality or a rumour at this stage ? | 05:06 |
| RichEd | Or is he bundled with Fedora ;) | 05:06 |
| sbalneav | Vagrant Cascadian | 05:06 |
| RichEd | tx. | 05:06 |
| sbalneav | Jammcq told me yesterday that it's confirmed that Warren's bought his plane ticket. | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | err what's happening here? | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | LTSP sprint? | 05:07 |
| RichEd | yes jsgotangco : LTSP hack fest | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | or a bunch of gods that decided to go meet at mount olympus | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | and decide the fate of the world | 05:08 |
| sbalneav | It is an effort to find a common ground amongst all distros, as to how LTSP should be implemented in a common way | 05:08 |
| === RichEd cuts & pastes that great 1 line summary into his motivation | ||
| sbalneav | Ubuntu's the first distro to implement the "muekow" spec we came up with, and vagrantc's moved it into debian. | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | yes so i iheard | 05:09 |
| sbalneav | The trick will be to get the RPM world and the DEB world to agree on a common way (if possible) to do things, so that LTSP will simply be an installable package under any distro. | 05:10 |
| RichEd | any news on: <jammcq_laptop> and i'm hoping for a Novell guy ? | 05:11 |
| RichEd | then i'll stop with the questions already and leave you to get back to work :) | 05:11 |
| sbalneav | Ubuntu/Debian have the advantage that they've already DONE the heavy lifting, so I'm sort of hoping we can basically say "ok, lets look at Ubuntu/debian, and figure out how we do the same thing on Fedora/Redhat/Suse | 05:14 |
| sbalneav | RichEd: The novell thing we'll find out at some point today. | 05:14 |
| RichEd | schweet | 05:14 |
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| jsgotangco | that's really really nice | 05:14 |
| === RichEd is most greatful for the info | ||
| jsgotangco | grateful :D | 05:15 |
| sbalneav | If we can get Fedora + Novell + Ubuntu + Debian at the same table, that's like, what, 90+% of all Linux's out there? | 05:15 |
| === jsgotangco orders RichEd to write it down 10 times on the board | ||
| RichEd | greatful = same as grateful, just a greater appreciation level ;) | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | yeah eventually, all the others will follow suit | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | Fedora gets to go to RHEL | 05:16 |
| sbalneav | Once you get it in Fedora, that means it's just a matter of time before it's in RHEL, and it's easy to port it to Mand[rake|riva] | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | Novell, well goes to themselves | 05:16 |
| sbalneav | Basically, I see this as the summit where the future of thin client on Linux gets decided, and moves ahead to the next phase. | 05:17 |
| sbalneav | I've said this lots of times, and I'll say it again: | 05:17 |
| sbalneav | If you're going to deploy Linux in any scale, at a business or a school: | 05:18 |
| sbalneav | Thin client is the ONLY way to go. | 05:18 |
| cbx33 | ping ogra | 05:18 |
| === jsgotangco claps at the inspiring chat logs | ||
| sbalneav | And if there's a good, stable, capable thin client implementation included in any distro, then that blows the whole thing right to the next level of awesomeissitude. | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | sbalneav: i'll be doing a presentation in 2 weeks that can alter the LTSP landscape here | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | *if* it gets implemented | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | Down in the Phillipines? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | Cool. At schools? | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | we're targeting GILAS | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | yeup | 05:19 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | gila mosters? Can they type? :) | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | What are GILAS? | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.philippinenews.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=37a79420dfb7aaddcc2a048ecb43bc46 | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Ah, awesome. | 05:21 |
| sbalneav | Edubuntu slots in perfectly. | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | Interestingly, MS is part of GILAS but hasn't done anything | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | that's where I come in | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | so yeah i think i need a haircut soon | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I'm going to have some time to work on scp tonight, if you get time, could you look at the code I did in my bzr branch, scp-client and scp-server run the server, then the client and see if that's what you were thinking of | 05:23 |
| === cbx33 needs another haircut | ||
| jsgotangco | i need a *real* haircut | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | Think I'm gonna go lead-singer-of-muse haircut | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | if i dont get it cut soon itll be as long as ogras | 05:23 |
| RichEd | paper based education story: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060816110655719C284059 | 05:25 |
| RichEd | "Mark's multi-million rand surprise for mayor" | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: i really need some help on the case studies :/ | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | "A canon was fired to kick off the ceremony. " | 05:27 |
| RichEd | next week, they fire a bishop, then soon a cardinal ! | 05:28 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: been looking around in the gaps in my time but not easy ..,. as we said ... will look some more in-between my meetings tonight | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | thanks i couldn't find really good data myself | 05:30 |
| cbx33 | ping Amaranth | 05:41 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco, that is quite some hair then :p | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | fairly; it grows too fast | 05:43 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 06:15 |
| sbalneav | ogra: heh, this thing's bloated to about 315 lines of code!! :) | 06:21 |
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| sbalneav | ok, away for lunch for a bit. | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | be back in an hour. | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | Ogra, just sent off the (hopefully) final vierson to pitti. | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | cc'd you. | 06:42 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | 338 lines | 06:42 |
| ogra | enjoy your lunch | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | for a setuid wrapper | 06:43 |
| ogra | i'll look at it :) | 06:43 |
| sbalneav | <whine>Secure programming is hard</whine> | 06:43 |
| sbalneav | going for my walk. bbl | 06:43 |
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| LaserJock | rodarvus: ping??? | 07:18 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: Back from walk. | 07:51 |
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| rodarvus | LaserJock, pong | 08:04 |
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| mhz | hi all | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | rodarvus: pm :-) sorry for ping | 08:14 |
| mhz | is the mmeting up for 1:45 more hours? | 08:14 |
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| willvdl | Hi folks. Proud owner of Dapper on a travelmate. | 08:23 |
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| RichEd | hi th1a :) | 08:54 |
| th1a | Hi RichEd. | 08:55 |
| th1a | I just got a call that Steve is running behind & won't make it. | 08:56 |
| RichEd | how are you doing ? is it early or mid morning for you ? | 08:56 |
| th1a | It is 3:00 PM. | 08:56 |
| RichEd | okay ... no problem ... we can chat | 08:56 |
| RichEd | move to pvt window ... opening now | 08:56 |
| th1a | I might have to go pick up my wife at about 3:45, btw. I forgot about that, but 45 minutes should be enough. | 08:56 |
| mhz | RichEd: hey there | 08:58 |
| RichEd | hi ... busy with a meeting - see you back here before edubuntu | 08:58 |
| mhz | okis | 09:00 |
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| === mhz will be right back in 15 minutes | ||
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| === highvoltage arrives | ||
| LaserJock | highvoltage!! | 09:17 |
| sbalneav | Zap! | 09:17 |
| highvoltage | hi las | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | i mean... | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserJock!!! | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | :) | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | how are things your side of the planet, laserjock and sbalneav? | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | not to bad | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | it's kinda starting to cool off here :-) | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | it seems to just get colder and colder here too :/ | 09:20 |
| th1a | RichEd: I seem to have lost you. | 09:20 |
| sbalneav | Pretty awesome thanks! | 09:20 |
| sbalneav | How's the new venture? | 09:20 |
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| RichEd-1 | hello ? | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | hi RichEd-1 | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: it's tstarting to take form | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | it's also a *lot* of work :) | 09:21 |
| RichEd-1 | i died for a bit ... alive again tx. | 09:22 |
| sbalneav | excellent! | 09:22 |
| highvoltage | we've been getting more staff, which i though would mean less work for me, but it turns out handing over work and explaining things is a lot of work in itself | 09:22 |
| sbalneav | heh | 09:23 |
| sbalneav | yeah, easy to fall into the "easier to do it myself than to show YOU how to do it" trap. | 09:23 |
| highvoltage | yep. the one one gril.. erm... woman.. we've hired is quite impressive | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | we just hired her to take care of admin stuff and to answer the phone | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | but she's fantastic, you can trust her with a lot and she'll get it done | 09:25 |
| willvdl | better than Amanda? | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | she's only been with us for a week and a half now, and she's already done fantastic work | 09:26 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: even better than Amanda :) | 09:26 |
| === willvdl wonders if that's possible | ||
| highvoltage | willvdl: but that doesn't mean you can steal her :) | 09:26 |
| willvdl | mwooohaha | 09:27 |
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| LaserJock | wahoo, I got a nice edubuntu edgy gdm theme staring at me | 09:27 |
| willvdl | helps when the basics are there doesn't it? | 09:27 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: is it green? | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | no | 09:28 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Pingus | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | it's Ubuntuish looking with a nice edubuntu logo on it | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | uggg, now that I loged in I got green | 09:29 |
| mhz | :( | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | that's kinda nasty | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | the gdm theme is all nice brown, orange, and red | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | then the gnome splash is green | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | heh | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | yeah, well... | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | then the desktop is the chalkboard | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | which really isn't as bad as it could be | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | but when you log in there is that time before the gnome splash starts where it just has a solid color | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | ogra refered to it as being almost as bad as staring to the berlin wall | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | at least edgy should be much nicer, with lisa onboard and all | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | so the background goes form Ubuntu brown to green all of a sudden | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | good thing I wasn't eating ;-) | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | mhz: howdy | 09:31 |
| willvdl | the ubuntu brown on my screen looks a bit more like purple | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | purple? kde is now purple | 09:32 |
| mhz | there is this teacher who prefers the Ubuntu bootsplash and the Ubuntu GDM defaults, instead the Edubuntu ones. He installed ubuntu-desktop (for such purpose), rebooted and still sees Edubuntu stuff. how is it possible to achieve what he wants? | 09:32 |
| mhz | highvoltage: hi Mr. Volts | 09:32 |
| highvoltage | mhz: you have to apply update-alternatives to the bootsplash theme...erm... usplash theme, gdm theme, and desktop theme | 09:33 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: or is there an easier way? | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | no, I think update-alternatives | 09:34 |
| mhz | cool! | 09:34 |
| mhz | command lines!! | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | for usplash | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | anyway | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | people want to do a themeing tool that would be a nice clickable GUI to switch | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | since it's pretty common | 09:35 |
| highvoltage | souds like a job for cbx33 :) | 09:35 |
| Petaris | is there a mas user creatation tool | 09:35 |
| highvoltage | a general theme tool would actually be nice | 09:35 |
| Petaris | something that creates users based on certain parameters? | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | yeah, but that doesn't do anything for the gdm or usplash themes | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: yeah, he said he wanted to work on it, but I think right now he is on scp | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | oh, cool. | 09:36 |
| === mhz BRB | ||
| highvoltage | ya | 09:41 |
| === highvoltage ses he'll get a chance to cheerlead again | ||
| highvoltage | *sees | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | yeah? | 09:43 |
| highvoltage | yeah, willvdl is applying for membership | 09:43 |
| === willvdl grins | ||
| willvdl | but need to do some work first... | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | cool | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | i think that your tuxlab work should count | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | ogra: EdubuntuMeetingAgenda is a locked page and a bit out of date | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | d'oh! i wasn't logged in | 09:51 |
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| highvoltage | hey cb | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 09:54 |
| highvoltage | hi cbx33 | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | not too late am I? | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | just saw "Cars" | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | very funny | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | nope, meeting starts in about 5 minutews | 09:55 |
| cbx33 | exshellent | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | lag-- :) | 09:55 |
| sbalneav | cool. | 09:55 |
| sbalneav | I'm in #ubuntu-meeting | 09:55 |
| sbalneav | I can hang around for 3/4 hour | 09:55 |
| sbalneav | I'm kind of "adopted ubuntu", ain't I? :) | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | heh :) | 09:56 |
| cbx33 | heheh yup sbalneav :D | 09:56 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meetig in 4 minutes ********* | 09:56 |
| ogra | *#ubuntu-meeting | 09:56 |
| RichEd | re: "highvoltage ses he'll get a chance to cheerlead again" | 09:57 |
| === RichEd shakes his head as he tries to make the short skirt & pom-poms image go away. | ||
| cbx33 | eeeewww RichEd now I have the image too | 09:57 |
| cbx33 | take it back take it back | 09:57 |
| === willvdl has been struggling with it for a while now | ||
| highvoltage | that's nothing... | 09:58 |
| RichEd | rosy cheeks and all : uuuurgh ... | 09:58 |
| highvoltage | what about poor LaserJock that had to share a room with me for an entire week! | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | eeeeeeeek | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | I bet he helped you make the dress didn't he :p | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | it wasn't so bad | 09:58 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes ********* | 09:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: you snored a lot | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | everybody stayed up late anyway | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | ogra, you doing 2^n powers this week? | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: yeah, that's what my wife says too | 09:59 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 10:00 |
| ogra | ************ Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starts now ********* | 10:00 |
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| juliux | !seen ogra | 10:04 |
| ubotu | ogra is on IRC right now! | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | juliux: meeting time | 10:05 |
| juliux | LaserJock, i see ;) | 10:05 |
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| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy <- Powered by Edubuntu templates for those interested in creating stickers | 10:32 |
| carwash | Hi, how are my options of doing an install with thick or half thick (harddrive less) devices? | 10:32 |
| sbalneav | carwash: Not sure what you mean? Thin clients you mean? | 10:34 |
| carwash | I have a lab of new computers that i want to put edubuntu on. They are more than powerfull enough to run as thick clients (standalon), but to save time and power i wish to either run them harddrive-less "half-thick". | 10:36 |
| highvoltage | carwash: e-mail me at jonathan@ubuntu.com | 10:38 |
| highvoltage | i'm going to bed now | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | but two weeks ago i implemented a lab like that | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | i could send you a howto, it's not that complicated | 10:39 |
| carwash | cool, thanks I would love that | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | (depending on your security requirements) | 10:39 |
| carwash | very lax ;) | 10:39 |
| highvoltage | ok | 10:40 |
| highvoltage | goodnight everyone, i really can't stay awake anymore, i'll catch up with cbx33 's logs tomorrow | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | cya highvoltage | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | hehehehe | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | thank highvoltage | 10:41 |
| carwash | gnight | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | gnight! | 10:42 |
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| carwash | 3D/join #ubuntu | 10:59 |
| carwash | wops | 10:59 |
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| rodarvus | I need to leave for a while, family has arrived home | 11:48 |
| rodarvus | will be back later | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | ogra: got a minute? | 11:51 |
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| cbx33 | yes I know I'm back | 11:53 |
| cbx33 | too hungry to sleep | 11:53 |
| cbx33 | so I gotta eat something first | 11:53 |
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| cbx33 | hi pygi | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: tsk tsk | 11:54 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 11:54 |
| pygi | hey cbx33 | 11:54 |
| RichEd | cbx33: are those regular munchies ;) or fuelled ones ? | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | cheese and bacon pasty | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | skipped a meal | 12:00 |
| === RichEd wipes the silly grin off cbx33 face and tells him to put the rizla away | ||
| cbx33 | VERY hungry | 12:00 |
| cbx33 | ha ha ha :p | 12:01 |
| RichEd | night all ... james bond time on my desktop 00:07 | 12:07 |
| cbx33 | nn RichEd | 12:08 |
| === RichEd winds down the generator .... HUMMMMmmmmmmm .... | ||
| cbx33 | ping ogra | 12:09 |
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