[01:40] <bddebian> Hello
[02:14] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:17] <ogra> sbalneav !
[02:17] <sbalneav> ogra!
[02:17] <sbalneav> Burning the midnight oil?
[02:17] <ogra> heh, a bit 
[02:17] <sbalneav> I was just going to address pitti round two, then start looking at ltsp-manager.
[02:17] <ogra> we need to change your naming in /media
[02:18] <sbalneav> Sure, what would you like?
[02:18] <ogra> ogra2-cdrom wont be recognized by g-v-m
[02:18] <ogra> make it /media/ogra2/cdrom
[02:18] <sbalneav> Oh!  Will it "see" into subdirectories?
[02:18] <pygi> ogra, you have a sec for me?
[02:18] <sbalneav> Sure, easy peasy.
[02:18] <ogra> sbalneav, yup, totally
[02:18] <ogra> :)
[02:18] <ogra> then we have the right icons
[02:19] <sbalneav> gimme 5 five minutes.
[02:19] <ogra> i'll have to rethink cdpinger
[02:19] <ogra> :/
[02:19] <ogra> since ltspfsd constantly triggers CDROM.CDROM_DISC_STATUS  ... 
[02:20] <sbalneav> Want me to put some thought to that?  I had a couple of idears anyway.  I'll hash 'em out, try to get something something working.
[02:20] <ogra> shouldnt be a big prob, i can check for CDROM_DISC_CHANGED
[02:21] <ogra> but now that i got the current code working some funnny things started to hapen, like nautilus popping up a window everytime ltspfsd triggers the cd
[02:21] <ogra> pygi, yep
[02:22] <pygi> ogra, why would I get "/usr/include/libburn/0/libburn/" instead of normal "/usr/include/libburn/libburn"?
[02:22] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:22] <ogra> phew, no idea
[02:22] <jsgotangco> you guys are still awake
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:22] <pygi> ogra, this is bugging me :-/
[02:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, hardly
[02:22] <jsgotangco> you're all supposed to sleep
[02:22] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:22] <pygi> jsgotangco, 2:23 am
[02:22] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:22] <ogra> hmm
[02:23] <ogra> seems croatia is 1 munite ahead of me 
[02:23] <pygi> jsgotangco, I can't sleep until I solve this, so ^_^
[02:23] <ogra> *minute
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i hear ya i've been there
[02:23] <pygi> any solutions? 
[02:23] <pygi> ogra, hehe :)
[02:24] <ogra> not really, find out why the 0 is added :)
[02:24] <pygi> o joy, will bug someone else later then :)
[02:24] <pygi> once I wake up, I hope :P
[02:24] <ogra> are you talking abou tthe package build or the compiler run ? 
[02:25] <pygi> this doesn't have anything to do with package
[02:25] <ogra> ok, so its the linking ...
[02:25] <sbalneav> ogra: Do you want ltspmount to make the intermediate "/media/uid/" directory, or will the script do it?
[02:26] <sbalneav> no, wait, I have to do it
[02:26] <sbalneav> I'm the setuid one
[02:26] <ogra> i'm fine leaving that to ltspmount
[02:26] <ogra> yeah
[02:26] <sbalneav> k, 
[02:26] <pygi> ogra, oki, thanks anyway ^_^
[02:26] <sbalneav> that will take.... more than 5 minutes :(
[02:27] <ogra> oh, right ... you need to add a lot of checks :(
[02:35] <ogra> hmm, easy ... the cdpinger just needs a check if /dev/cdrom is in /proc/mounts 
[02:35] <sbalneav> smart
[02:49] <sbalneav> ogra: ok, got it.  Haven't addressed a couple of pitti's concern's yet, but It works for testing.  emailing....
[02:50] <sbalneav> sended
[03:05] <ogra> hrm
[03:05] <ogra> /proc/mounts doesnt help 
[03:05] <ogra> i should stop for today ...
[03:05] <ogra> indeed it gets unmounted by ltspfsd 
[03:05] <ogra> so it doesnt show up in /proc/mounts
[03:06] <ogra> sbalneav, how do you work around that problem in lbus ? 
[03:07] <sbalneav> Well, in lbus, adding a cdrom doesn't actually do the mount.  When it detects MEDIA, then it does the mount.
[03:07] <ogra> right
[03:07] <ogra> cdpinger does the same
[03:07] <sbalneav> then you keep checking media, and when the media goes away you unmount.
[03:08] <ogra> hmm, i thought thats what i do as well
[03:08] <sbalneav> so all cdpinger needs to do, i figure, is just idle on a cdrom, and when you see media, add it to /tmp/fstab, and kick off the mount
[03:09] <sbalneav> So the UDEV part shouldn't add anything to fstab, but rather, when you detect a cdrom device, launch a cdpinger for it.
[03:09] <ogra> udev doesnt touch fstab 
[03:09] <ogra> not for cdroms
[03:09] <ogra> cdpinger does everything cdrom related
[03:09] <sbalneav> sure it does.  you touch any block device, yes?
[03:09] <ogra> hmm
[03:10] <sbalneav> or am I reading the rules wrong that keybuck gave us?
[03:10] <ogra> no
[03:10] <ogra> i'm wondering how to tell udev to exclude CDs here
[03:10] <sbalneav> so, isn't there a sysfs{removable} or something that could help us?
[03:10] <ogra> intrestingly udev did never pick up my cd here
[03:11] <sbalneav> I can play with that here tonight.
[03:11] <sbalneav> get some sleep, or you'll fall over.
[03:11] <sbalneav> mail me what you've got so far, and I'll work with it.
[03:11] <ogra> its currntly totally ripped apart 
[03:11] <ogra> leave the cdpinger part to me ...
[03:12] <sbalneav> so?  I'm good at jigsaws!  tar it up, dude, I'm here to help!
[03:13] <ogra> no, i mean the code is unusable atm
[03:13] <ogra> its in the middle of a shuffle ...
[03:13] <ogra> i'd like to keep the overview in that one ... but i'll package the other stuff now
[03:14] <sbalneav> ok, well, I'll play around and see if I can come up with some ideas.  I was going to address pitti's concerns tonight as well.
[03:14] <ogra> i think essentially ltspfsd shouldt unmount cdroms ...
[03:14] <ogra> *shouldnt
[03:14] <sbalneav> well, that's easy enough
[03:14] <ogra> its not needed
[03:15] <sbalneav> quick modify to /sbin/ltspfs_mount script.  
[03:15] <ogra> there will be no write operations unless we implemented burning over ltspfs ;)
[03:15] <ogra> which i plan to do together with audiocd support 
[03:15] <ogra> in edgy+n
[03:15] <sbalneav> ah, well, that's for the next version.  By then we'll be all muekow, so it'll be easier.
[03:17] <ogra> erm, if i modify the ltspfs_mount script that wont solve the frequent unmounting 
[03:18] <sbalneav> sorry, _umount
[03:18] <sbalneav> :)
[03:18] <ogra> meh, i'm really to tired 
[03:18] <ogra> indeed
[03:19] <sbalneav> sleep, sleepyhead.
[03:19] <sbalneav> Let uncle scotty play for a bit :)
[03:28] <ogra> hmm
[03:28] <ogra> ltspmounter dies if the dir in media exists ?
[03:30] <ogra> ha !
[03:30] <ogra> works !!
[03:34] <ogra> gah
[03:34] <ogra> unmounting doesnt
[03:38] <LaserJock> \o/
[03:38] <ogra> hmm
[03:38] <LaserJock>  /o\
[03:39] <ogra> why does the drive ignore fcntl.ioctl(f, CDROM.CDROM_LOCKDOOR, 0) if its mounted via ltspfs
[03:39] <ogra> it works fine if i just fuse mount it
[03:41] <sbalneav> Well, the ltspfsd isn't doing anything with ioctls at all.  It simply reads files under a directory.
[03:41] <ogra> but apparently it blocks the tray
[03:44] <ogra> i'm silly
[03:47] <ogra> the /sbin/ltspfs_mount script would indeed need the ioctl now ...
[03:47] <sbalneav> Ah, so you need to mount it nolock?
[03:53] <ogra> got it, but it still doesnt unmount ...
[03:53] <ogra> heh
[03:53] <ogra> i really should go to sleep ...
[03:53] <ogra> i just forbid ltspfsd to unmount cdroms ...
[03:54] <ogra> indeed it cant unmount then :)
[04:06] <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev-scripts.tar.bz2 updated
[04:06] <ogra> (beware, the cdpinger is very noisy (but works))
[04:07] <ogra> its missing a check if the cd is really mounted before running the unmount commands ... i'll jump on that tomorrow
[04:11] <ogra> will do so :)
[04:11] <ogra> night all
[04:11] <ogra> :)
[05:21] <CrashTest> Hi all!  Can someone help me out with an OpenOffice Writer question?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> sure but you'll probably get better replies in #ubuntu
[05:27] <CrashTest> Cool, well I will ask there as well :)
[05:28] <CrashTest> I am trying to figure out how to view "Comments" that exist in Word docs.  The "Comment" menu item in "Changes" is greyed out.
[07:27] <jsgotangco> why does this thing look oversized :/
[07:36] <sbalneav> Snore.  Old man /me's getting tired.  Off to bed.
[07:36] <sbalneav> night
[08:47] <highvoltage> morning, #edubuntu
[12:15] <highvoltage> what's going on? #edubuntu is way too quiet today.
[12:27] <willvdl> shhh, we'we huntin wabbits
[12:35] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:37] <willvdl> good afternoon
[12:52] <highvoltage> morning rodarvus and willvdl 
[12:57] <rodarvus> hey willvdl, highvoltage 
[12:58] <RichEd> hi guys ... been lurking while I cath up on other stuff
[12:59] <rodarvus> hi RichEd 
[01:00] <RichEd> rodarvus: will i get the OLPC status info from you soon ? i'd prefer to have it before we have our core meeting
[01:00] <RichEd> even a high level one to start ... we can drill down when time permits
[01:01] <rodarvus> RichEd, I wanted to have a formal plan before sending you this, but I can send a high level one in a few minutes if you want
[01:01] <rodarvus> (doing that)
[01:01] <RichEd> thanks ... we can then do a education core meeting tomorrow some time ... quick 30 mins
[01:02] <RichEd> ( not a long session like ladt week :) i know you & ogra are both busy bees
[01:02] <rodarvus> I believe I'll be able to have most (low level) stuff ready for the end of the day today
[01:02] <RichEd> last <- ladt
[01:02] <ogra> rodarvus, do you know when we have the distro meeting tomorrow ?
[01:03] <rodarvus> ogra: yes, 23:00 UTC
[01:03] <ogra> ah, k
[01:03] <ogra> thats fine then
[01:03] <RichEd> are we all on for the meeting tonight ? and will it need 2 hours ?
[01:11] <rodarvus> RichEd, I don't think the meeting tonight will last two hours, unless one of you really has a lot to say :)
[01:12] <RichEd> good ... was up 'till late with emails last night energy level is -----> low
[02:21] <ogra_> hmm
[02:25] <jsgotangco> ?
[02:32] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hi!
[02:33] <RichEd> i think hit some strange key combo in Evolution ... when i type in the email it "writes backwards" as in "sdrakcab setirw" 
[02:33] <RichEd> anyoje got any ideas what i did and how i odnu ?
[02:33] <RichEd> anyone <- anyoje
[02:33] <willvdl> Your keyboard is upside-down?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> wow
[02:34] <jsgotangco> is that for real?
[02:34] <RichEd> i must have selected chinese or jewish input ...
[02:34] <rodarvus> yes, it looks like somehow you selected jewish input
[02:34] <RichEd> yep ... no lies ... XTalk is fine ... evolution must be in a different language mode ...
[02:35] <RichEd> let me open a new mail, and see if it is an individual mail or evolution wide setting ... i suspect latter
[02:35] <RichEd> fine in a new mail ... strange ...
[02:36] <willvdl> that is fascinating
[02:37] <willvdl> 1,2,3 yip, all there
[02:37] <willvdl> googling "evolution" + "backwards" + anything else opens up a whole new can of worms
[02:43] <willvdl> Is the change of CookBook to HandBook an _official_ name change yet?
[02:50] <willvdl> i.e. one that reflects online?
[02:52] <jsgotangco> honestly i do not know its status
[02:52] <jsgotangco> speaking of which
[02:52] <rodarvus> its official, I think
[02:52] <jsgotangco> did we even have a meeting today
[02:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, see the fridge :P
[02:53] <jsgotangco> ugghh i tend to get confused with these UTC things lately
[02:53] <jsgotangco> 4AM YAY
[02:54] <willvdl> 10pm. hope I'm sober
[02:54] <ogra> thats no essential requirement :)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: honestly i feel i am out of the loop lately, but trying
[02:55] <willvdl> noticing there are quite a few online cookbook references for changing....ug
[02:56] <ogra> willvdl, please talk to the cookbook team before changing any links etc ... only they know wats recent ... its a big chaos
[02:56] <willvdl> oh, was not going to stick fingers in.
[02:57] <willvdl> Just reading up on stuff and updating my bookmarks
[02:57] <ogra> ah
[02:58] <willvdl> I notice there's some duplication on www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org
[02:59] <willvdl> which one will be used in the future?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> well
[03:00] <RichEd> willvdl: if you look at the personal wiki page for Matt Nuzum, he has noted things like TLD site duplication, and wants to build a search that goes across all possible TLDs 
[03:00] <jsgotangco> the main site runs drupal
[03:00] <RichEd> (in his new to the job task list observations)
[03:01] <jsgotangco> and the wiki is moin that encompasses all the projects
[03:01] <jsgotangco> so there's a disconnect
[03:02] <willvdl> ah, thanks
[03:09] <RichEd> ALL: I think that due to the sprint on the horizon next week, we'll keep the meeting short & sweet tonight for the sake of Oliver & Rodrigo. They can tell us what they are up to between now and the end of the Sprint. Followed by a short update from all of us. The rest of us will meet again next week, while the dev. boys are wrapped up in a coding frenzy in Chermany..
[03:09] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:09] <willvdl> okie
[03:10] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco: didn't reply to your greeting ^^^
[03:30] <jsgotangco> who is will van der leij?
[03:30] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:30] <willvdl> me
[03:30] <jsgotangco> i mean ignore me
[03:30] <willvdl> :)
[03:35] <ogra_> willvdl, you need to create a wikipage and list your contributions and yu need to sign the code of conduct 
[03:36] <ogra_> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[03:54] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[03:55] <jsgotangco> hi!
[03:55] <sbalneav> hey jsgotangco!!
[03:56] <willvdl> ogra: agreed. there are a few admin thingies I need to take care of still. Will do asap
[04:41] <jsgotangco> wow we now have 12 planets
[04:41] <ogra_> we have the universe (and the multiverse as well) :)
[04:42] <sbalneav> ogra_: Hey, dude!  How's it goin' eh?
[04:42] <ogra_> cdpinger done 
[04:42] <ogra_> i'll start to rewrite th eserver side script in python later today
[04:43] <ogra_> btw, no need to bind mount cdroms
[04:43] <sbalneav> No?
[04:43] <ogra_> gnome-vfs just picks them up, regardless wher we mount them
[04:43] <sbalneav> Even in /tmp?
[04:44] <ogra_> i spent my morning with digging for the reason why i always had 2 cdroms on the desktop :)
[04:44] <ogra_> its likely a bug in gnome-vfs :)
[04:44] <ogra_> even in /tmp 
[04:44] <ogra_> or wherever you want
[04:45] <sbalneav> I'd say.  I thing we should bindmount to media, if for no other reason than that's the "proper" place to put them
[04:45] <ogra_> as long as the device is called cdrom
[04:45] <ogra_> sure, but currently you'll have to live with two desktop and device entries in nautilus then
[04:46] <sbalneav> Get the new ltspmount.c last night?  I was wearing out my usb port last night plugging and unplugging memory sticks.  Seems to work pretty schweeeet.
[04:46] <ogra_> yep
[04:46] <ogra_> using it ;)
[04:47] <ogra_> with the new cdpinger and ltspfsmounter (we need new names !) you now have the right icons on your desktop as well ;)
[04:47] <ogra_> i'll look later today how to patch nautilus so we dot get the eject entry if LTSP_CLIENT is set
[04:47] <ogra_> *dont
[04:48] <ogra_> then we nly have floppies left
[04:48] <ogra_> which i dont have around here 
[04:49] <jsgotangco> ogra_: well it makes any planet-based edu app in our repo obsolete :D
[04:50] <sbalneav> ogra_: I've got a couple of rigs with floppies.  let me handle that one.
[04:50] <ogra_> i think it should work out of the box, but lest see
[04:50] <ogra_> *lets
[04:51] <ogra_> udev should handle it just fine 
[04:51] <ogra_> the only think i see is that we cant get the proper icon here
[04:51] <sbalneav> yeah, the device node's being created, that much I know.
[04:51] <ogra_> then its also mounted
[04:51] <ogra_> but as soon as the label is used instead of the name floppy we wont get the right icon
[04:52] <ogra_> same prob as cdroms have 
[04:52] <ogra_> they need to be called cdrom in /media
[04:53] <sbalneav> It's getting pretty nice, I gotta say.
[04:53] <ogra_> yeah
[04:54] <ogra_> its the sexiest localdev implementation ever :)
[04:54] <sbalneav> Hey, is pitti working on the blocker bug?
[04:54] <ogra_> sure, he marked it "in progress"
[04:55] <ogra_> and he uses to work with german precision ;)
[04:55] <ogra_> so it should be fixed until release in any case
[04:55] <sbalneav> awesomeness.
[04:56] <sbalneav> ok, I'm gonna spend an hour finishing up on pitti's concerns, and autoconf/"gnu"ing it.
[04:56] <sbalneav> We're calling it "ltspmount", do we want another name?
[04:56] <ogra_> i'll have to gnu my stuff as well :)
[04:57] <sbalneav> ltspbindmounter?
[04:57] <ogra_> haha
[04:57] <ogra_> lbinder ?
[04:57] <ogra_> lbind ?
[04:57] <ogra_> our names start getting quite longish :)
[04:57] <ogra_> lbindmount
[04:58] <sbalneav> lbmount?
[04:58] <ogra_> that sounds good
[04:58] <sbalneav> lbmount it is.
[04:58] <sbalneav> okie, gimme a bit.
[04:58] <RichEd> sbalneav: sort of the wrong channel for this question, but I see you are more active here than in #lstp at the moment. do you know the names of the fedora & debian & red hat people coming to the fest ?
[04:59] <RichEd> i'm motivating to mark to support my invitation :)
[04:59] <sbalneav> RichEd: heh, I'm in both.  You're talking the summit at jammcq's in September?
[05:00] <sbalneav> Is that the one you're taling about?  Or right now in LWCE?
[05:00] <RichEd> no ... i've been invited as an education observer to start some relationships - i'm the new Canonical Education Programme Manager ... and the fest is a good place to meet a whole bunch of people at once
[05:01] <RichEd> jammcq's yes ... and to meet Ogra as well :) we just know each other digitally and have not met as yet
[05:01] <sbalneav> Ah, ok well....
[05:01] <jsgotangco> RichEd: you're talking to the next-in line god of LTSP!
[05:01] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:01] <sbalneav> Fedora: Warren Togami, head of Fedora
[05:02] <sbalneav> Debian: vagrantc, hangs out in #ltsp all the time
[05:02] <ogra> jsgotangco ++
[05:02] <sbalneav> Ubuntu: Ogra, teutonic Edubuntu warrior
[05:02] <ogra> heh :)
[05:03] <sbalneav> and I think jammcq's gonna see if he can shame someone from SuSE into coming.
[05:03] <sbalneav> On the LTSP side, we'll have jammcq, me, and gadi.
[05:03] <RichEd> + Eric Harrison ... Eri & Jim & Oliver yourself are the primary reason to come
[05:04] <RichEd> the rest are a bonus !
[05:04] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: next in line God?  Please, my proper title is demi-God :)
[05:04] <jsgotangco> ack!
[05:04] <sbalneav> Ah, yes, Eric as well, how could I forget.
[05:04] <RichEd> hope that's no relation to demi-Moore ;)
[05:04] <sbalneav> Granted, my child :)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> come to where?
[05:05] <RichEd> What name does vagrantc go by when he walks the real world ?
[05:06] <sbalneav> It should be awesome.
[05:06] <sbalneav> Umm, hold on lemme look
[05:06] <RichEd> And is the RedHat person a reality or a rumour at this stage ?
[05:06] <RichEd> Or is he bundled with Fedora ;)
[05:06] <sbalneav> Vagrant Cascadian
[05:06] <RichEd> tx.
[05:07] <sbalneav> Jammcq told me yesterday that it's confirmed that Warren's bought his plane ticket.
[05:07] <jsgotangco> err what's happening here?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> LTSP sprint?
[05:08] <RichEd> yes jsgotangco : LTSP hack fest
[05:08] <jsgotangco> or a bunch of gods that decided to go meet at mount olympus
[05:08] <jsgotangco> and decide the fate of the world
[05:08] <sbalneav> It is an effort to find a common ground amongst all distros, as to how LTSP should be implemented in a common way
[05:09] <sbalneav> Ubuntu's the first distro to implement the "muekow" spec we came up with, and vagrantc's moved it into debian.
[05:09] <jsgotangco> yes so i iheard
[05:10] <sbalneav> The trick will be to get the RPM world and the DEB world to agree on a common way (if possible) to do things, so that LTSP will simply be an installable package under any distro.
[05:11] <RichEd> any news on: <jammcq_laptop> and i'm hoping for a Novell guy ?
[05:11] <RichEd> then i'll stop with the questions already and leave you to get back to work :)
[05:14] <sbalneav> Ubuntu/Debian have the advantage that they've already DONE the heavy lifting, so I'm sort of hoping we can basically say "ok, lets look at Ubuntu/debian, and figure out how we do the same thing on Fedora/Redhat/Suse
[05:14] <sbalneav> RichEd: The novell thing we'll find out at some point today.
[05:14] <RichEd> schweet
[05:14] <jsgotangco> that's really really nice
[05:15] <jsgotangco> grateful :D
[05:15] <sbalneav> If we can get Fedora + Novell + Ubuntu + Debian at the same table, that's like, what, 90+% of all Linux's out there?
[05:15] <RichEd> greatful = same as grateful, just a greater appreciation level ;)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> yeah eventually, all the others will follow suit
[05:16] <jsgotangco> Fedora gets to go to RHEL
[05:16] <sbalneav> Once you get it in Fedora, that means it's just a matter of time before it's in RHEL, and it's easy to port it to Mand[rake|riva] 
[05:16] <jsgotangco> Novell, well goes to themselves
[05:17] <sbalneav> Basically, I see this as the summit where the future of thin client on Linux gets decided, and moves ahead to the next phase.
[05:17] <sbalneav> I've said this lots of times, and I'll say it again:
[05:18] <sbalneav> If you're going to deploy Linux in any scale, at a business or a school:
[05:18] <sbalneav> Thin client is the ONLY way to go.
[05:18] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[05:19] <sbalneav> And if there's a good, stable, capable thin client implementation included in any distro, then that blows the whole thing right to the next level of awesomeissitude.
[05:19] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: i'll be doing a presentation in 2 weeks that can alter the LTSP landscape here
[05:19] <jsgotangco> *if* it gets implemented
[05:19] <sbalneav> Down in the Phillipines?
[05:19] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:19] <sbalneav> Cool.  At schools?
[05:19] <jsgotangco> we're targeting GILAS
[05:19] <jsgotangco> yeup
[05:19] <jsgotangco> yep
[05:19] <sbalneav> gila mosters?  Can they type? :)
[05:20] <sbalneav> What are GILAS?
[05:20] <jsgotangco> http://www.philippinenews.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=37a79420dfb7aaddcc2a048ecb43bc46
[05:21] <sbalneav> Ah, awesome.
[05:22] <sbalneav> Edubuntu slots in perfectly.
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Interestingly, MS is part of GILAS but hasn't done anything
[05:22] <jsgotangco> that's where I come in
[05:23] <jsgotangco> so yeah i think i need a haircut soon
[05:23] <cbx33> ogra, I'm going to have some time to work on scp tonight, if you get time, could you look at the code I did in my bzr branch, scp-client and scp-server run the server, then the client and see if that's what you were thinking of
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i need a *real* haircut
[05:23] <cbx33> Think I'm gonna go lead-singer-of-muse haircut 
[05:23] <jsgotangco> if i dont get it cut soon itll be as long as ogras
[05:25] <RichEd> paper based education story: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20060816110655719C284059
[05:26] <RichEd> "Mark's multi-million rand surprise for mayor"
[05:26] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i really need some help on the case studies :/
[05:27] <jsgotangco> "A canon was fired to kick off the ceremony. "
[05:28] <RichEd> next week, they fire a bishop, then soon a cardinal !
[05:29] <RichEd> jsgotangco: been looking around in the gaps in my time but not easy ..,. as we said ... will look some more in-between my meetings tonight
[05:30] <jsgotangco> thanks i couldn't find really good data myself
[05:41] <cbx33> ping Amaranth 
[05:42] <cbx33> jsgotangco, that is quite some hair then :p
[05:43] <jsgotangco> fairly; it grows too fast
[06:15] <bddebian> Hello
[06:21] <sbalneav> ogra: heh, this thing's bloated to about 315 lines of code!! :)
[06:42] <sbalneav> ok, away for lunch for a bit.
[06:42] <sbalneav> be back in an hour.
[06:42] <sbalneav> Ogra, just sent off the (hopefully) final vierson to pitti.
[06:42] <sbalneav> cc'd you.
[06:42] <ogra> thanks !
[06:42] <sbalneav> 338 lines
[06:42] <ogra> enjoy your lunch
[06:43] <sbalneav> for a setuid wrapper 
[06:43] <ogra> i'll look at it :)
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[06:43] <sbalneav> going for my walk.  bbl
[07:18] <LaserJock> rodarvus: ping???
[07:51] <sbalneav> ogra: Back from walk.
[08:04] <rodarvus> LaserJock, pong
[08:14] <mhz> hi all
[08:14] <LaserJock> rodarvus: pm :-) sorry for ping
[08:14] <mhz> is the mmeting up for 1:45 more hours?
[08:23] <willvdl> Hi folks. Proud owner of Dapper on a travelmate.
[08:54] <RichEd> hi th1a :)
[08:55] <th1a> Hi RichEd.
[08:56] <th1a> I just got a call that Steve is running behind & won't make it.
[08:56] <RichEd> how are you doing ? is it early or mid morning for you ?
[08:56] <th1a> It is 3:00 PM.
[08:56] <RichEd> okay ... no problem ... we can chat
[08:56] <RichEd> move to pvt window ... opening now
[08:56] <th1a> I might have to go pick up my wife at about 3:45, btw.  I forgot about that, but 45 minutes should be enough.
[08:58] <mhz> RichEd: hey there
[08:58] <RichEd> hi ... busy with a meeting - see you back here before edubuntu
[09:00] <mhz> okis
[09:17] <LaserJock> highvoltage!!
[09:17] <sbalneav> Zap!
[09:18] <highvoltage> hi las	
[09:18] <highvoltage> i mean...
[09:18] <highvoltage> hi LaserJock!!!
[09:18] <highvoltage>  :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:19] <highvoltage> how are things your side of the planet, laserjock and sbalneav?
[09:19] <LaserJock> not to bad
[09:20] <LaserJock> it's kinda starting to cool off here :-)
[09:20] <highvoltage> it seems to just get colder and colder here too :/
[09:20] <th1a> RichEd:  I seem to have lost you.
[09:20] <sbalneav> Pretty awesome thanks!
[09:20] <sbalneav> How's the new venture?
[09:21] <RichEd-1> hello ?
[09:21] <highvoltage> hi RichEd-1 
[09:21] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it's tstarting to take form
[09:21] <highvoltage> it's also a *lot* of work :)
[09:22] <RichEd-1> i died for a bit ... alive again tx.
[09:22] <sbalneav> excellent!
[09:22] <highvoltage> we've been getting more staff, which i though would mean less work for me, but it turns out handing over work and explaining things is a lot of work in itself
[09:23] <sbalneav> heh
[09:23] <sbalneav> yeah, easy to fall into the "easier to do it myself than to show YOU how to do it" trap.
[09:25] <highvoltage> yep. the one one gril.. erm... woman.. we've hired is quite impressive
[09:25] <highvoltage> we just hired her to take care of admin stuff and to answer the phone
[09:25] <highvoltage> but she's fantastic, you can trust her with a lot and she'll get it done
[09:25] <willvdl> better than Amanda?
[09:26] <highvoltage> she's only been with us for a week and a half now, and she's already done fantastic work
[09:26] <highvoltage> willvdl: even better than Amanda :)
[09:26] <highvoltage> willvdl: but that doesn't mean you can steal her :)
[09:27] <willvdl> mwooohaha
[09:27] <LaserJock> wahoo, I got a nice edubuntu edgy gdm theme staring at me
[09:27] <willvdl> helps when the basics are there doesn't it?
[09:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: is it green?
[09:28] <LaserJock> no
[09:28] <sbalneav> ogra: Pingus
[09:28] <LaserJock> it's Ubuntuish looking with a nice edubuntu logo on it
[09:29] <LaserJock> uggg, now that I loged in I got green
[09:29] <mhz> :(
[09:29] <LaserJock> that's kinda nasty
[09:29] <LaserJock> the gdm theme is all nice brown, orange, and red
[09:29] <LaserJock> then the gnome splash is green
[09:30] <highvoltage> heh
[09:30] <highvoltage> yeah, well...
[09:30] <LaserJock> then the desktop is the chalkboard
[09:30] <LaserJock> which really isn't as bad as it could be
[09:30] <LaserJock> but when you log in there is that time before the gnome splash starts where it just has a solid color
[09:30] <highvoltage> ogra refered to it as being almost as bad as staring to the berlin wall
[09:31] <highvoltage> at least edgy should be much nicer, with lisa onboard and all
[09:31] <LaserJock> so the background goes form Ubuntu brown to green all of a sudden
[09:31] <LaserJock> good thing I wasn't eating ;-)
[09:31] <highvoltage> mhz: howdy
[09:31] <willvdl> the ubuntu brown on my screen looks a bit more like purple
[09:32] <LaserJock> purple? kde is now purple
[09:32] <mhz> there is this teacher who prefers the Ubuntu bootsplash and the Ubuntu GDM defaults, instead the Edubuntu ones. He installed ubuntu-desktop (for such purpose), rebooted and still sees Edubuntu stuff. how is it possible to achieve what he wants?
[09:32] <mhz> highvoltage: hi Mr. Volts
[09:33] <highvoltage> mhz: you have to apply update-alternatives to the bootsplash theme...erm... usplash theme, gdm theme, and desktop theme
[09:33] <highvoltage> LaserJock: or is there an easier way?
[09:34] <LaserJock> no, I think update-alternatives
[09:34] <mhz> cool!
[09:34] <mhz> command lines!!
[09:34] <LaserJock> for usplash
[09:34] <LaserJock> anyway
[09:35] <LaserJock> people want to do a themeing tool that would be a nice clickable GUI to switch
[09:35] <LaserJock> since it's pretty common
[09:35] <highvoltage> souds like a job for cbx33 :)
[09:35] <Petaris> is there a mas user creatation tool
[09:35] <highvoltage> a general theme tool would actually be nice
[09:36] <Petaris> something that creates users based on certain parameters?
[09:36] <highvoltage> yeah, but that doesn't do anything for the gdm or usplash themes
[09:36] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, he said he wanted to work on it, but I think right now he is on scp
[09:36] <highvoltage> oh, cool. 
[09:41] <highvoltage> ya
[09:41] <highvoltage> *sees
[09:43] <LaserJock> yeah?
[09:43] <highvoltage> yeah, willvdl is applying for membership
[09:46] <willvdl> but need to do some work first...
[09:46] <LaserJock> cool
[09:47] <highvoltage> i think that your tuxlab work should count
[09:50] <highvoltage> ogra: EdubuntuMeetingAgenda is a locked page and a bit out of date
[09:51] <highvoltage> d'oh! i wasn't logged in
[09:54] <highvoltage> hey cb	
[09:54] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[09:54] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[09:54] <cbx33> not too late am I?
[09:55] <cbx33> just saw "Cars"
[09:55] <cbx33> very funny
[09:55] <highvoltage> nope, meeting starts in about 5 minutews
[09:55] <cbx33> exshellent
[09:55] <highvoltage> lag-- :)
[09:55] <sbalneav> cool.
[09:55] <sbalneav> I'm in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:55] <sbalneav> I can hang around for 3/4 hour
[09:56] <sbalneav> I'm kind of "adopted ubuntu", ain't I? :)
[09:56] <highvoltage> heh :)
[09:56] <cbx33> heheh yup sbalneav :D
[09:56] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meetig in 4 minutes *********
[09:56] <ogra> *#ubuntu-meeting
[09:57] <RichEd> re: "highvoltage ses he'll get a chance to cheerlead again"
[09:57] <cbx33> eeeewww RichEd now I have the image too
[09:57] <cbx33> take it back take it back
[09:58] <highvoltage> that's nothing...
[09:58] <RichEd> rosy cheeks and all : uuuurgh ...
[09:58] <highvoltage> what about poor LaserJock that had to share a room with me for an entire week!
[09:58] <cbx33> eeeeeeeek
[09:58] <cbx33> I bet he helped you make the dress didn't he :p
[09:58] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:58] <LaserJock> it wasn't so bad
[09:58] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 2 minutes *********
[09:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you snored a lot
[09:59] <LaserJock> everybody stayed up late anyway
[09:59] <cbx33> ogra, you doing 2^n powers this week?
[09:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yeah, that's what my wife says too
[10:00] <cbx33> heheh
[10:00] <ogra> ************ Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starts now *********
[10:04] <juliux> !seen ogra 
[10:04] <ubotu> ogra is on IRC right now!
[10:05] <LaserJock> juliux: meeting time
[10:05] <juliux> LaserJock, i see ;)
[10:32] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy   <- Powered by Edubuntu templates for those interested in creating stickers
[10:32] <carwash> Hi, how are my options of doing an install with thick or half thick (harddrive less) devices?
[10:34] <sbalneav> carwash: Not sure what you mean?  Thin clients you mean?
[10:36] <carwash> I have a lab of new computers that i want to put edubuntu on. They are more than powerfull enough to run as thick clients (standalon), but to save time and power i wish to either run them harddrive-less "half-thick".
[10:38] <highvoltage> carwash: e-mail me at jonathan@ubuntu.com
[10:39] <highvoltage> i'm going to bed now
[10:39] <highvoltage> but two weeks ago i implemented a lab like that
[10:39] <highvoltage> i could send you a howto, it's not that complicated
[10:39] <carwash> cool, thanks I would love that
[10:39] <highvoltage> (depending on your security requirements)
[10:39] <carwash> very lax ;)
[10:40] <highvoltage> ok
[10:40] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone, i really can't stay awake anymore, i'll catch up with cbx33 's logs tomorrow
[10:40] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage 
[10:41] <cbx33> hehehehe
[10:41] <cbx33> thank highvoltage 
[10:41] <carwash> gnight
[10:42] <highvoltage> gnight!
[10:59] <carwash> 3D/join #ubuntu
[10:59] <carwash> wops
[11:48] <rodarvus> I need to leave for a while, family has arrived home
[11:48] <rodarvus> will be back later
[11:51] <LaserJock> ogra: got a minute?
[11:53] <cbx33> yes I know I'm back
[11:53] <cbx33> too hungry to sleep
[11:53] <cbx33> so I gotta eat something first
[11:54] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[11:54] <LaserJock> cbx33: tsk tsk
[11:54] <cbx33> heheh
[11:54] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[12:00] <RichEd> cbx33: are those regular munchies ;) or fuelled ones ?
[12:00] <cbx33> heheh
[12:00] <cbx33> cheese and bacon pasty
[12:00] <cbx33> skipped a meal
[12:00] <cbx33> VERY hungry
[12:01] <cbx33> ha ha ha :p
[12:07] <RichEd> night all ... james bond time on my desktop 00:07
[12:08] <cbx33> nn RichEd 
[12:09] <cbx33> ping ogra