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tomaimbrandon: the text at the top "these are unofficial..." should be the default font for you.12:13
imbrandonyup12:13
tomajudging from the screenie, irc is a lot bigger, so i was confused12:14
goldenearI have a pb with automake: I try to compile an app from the kde svn and I then want to do: make -f admin/Makefile.common12:14
goldenearbut it doesn't work12:15
tomadoes the file exists?12:15
goldenearI have a warning about alocale and then error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion12:15
goldenearsure12:15
goldenearI google to find the problem but I did not find anything12:16
tomaautoconf 2.52 ?12:16
goldenear2.5912:16
tomayou seem to have a mismatch between autoconf and automake12:17
tomacan you see if either one is upgradable?12:17
goldenearno upgrade available12:17
goldenearboth are the standard version installed with dapper...12:18
goldenearI can't understand12:18
tomais there an older version installed?12:19
tomaas well12:19
goldenearnop12:19
goldenearshould I install an older version too (like the 1.4) ?12:20
goldenearor a newer ( 1.9) version of automake ?12:20
tomano12:21
tomacan you move aclocal.m4 to a temp place on your hd and try again?12:22
goldenearI install 1.9 (and remove 1.8) and I have the same error...12:24
goldeneartoma: you mean all the aclocale dir ?12:26
tomano12:26
tomain the top source dir is here a file called aclocal.m4 ?12:26
goldenearno, this file is created during the procedure12:28
goldenearthe problem is from: /usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB12:28
tomathat is something else ;-)12:28
tomaimbrandon: site fixed, missing </small> after each block, thnxs12:43
imbrandonnp, dinner time for me, bbiab12:43
imbrandonRiddell: i cc'd you on a reply mail from pitti to the ubuntu-devel list , when you have time to look it over , no hurries12:44
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bddebianHello01:40
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Hobbseenice!  apachelogger did kopete 0.12.2!03:00
=== Hobbsee makes a note to examine that, and add her changes
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Hobbseesuspicious.  md5sums and sizes of the .orig.tar.gz are different, between his version and the version off the kopete.kde.org site.  boht were changed from .bz2 to .gz04:26
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imbrandonhahahaha 05:41
imbrandon< shad0w1e> hmm sleepydog, you said that reiserfs would only be faster in some "extreme" situations05:41
imbrandon< shad0w1e> would you consider KDE booting up to be an extreme situation?05:41
Hobbseelol!05:43
Hobbseeto be fair, kde starts up much better with an empty session06:08
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2006-08-1006:16
nixternalmeeting minutes are complete, please do a look over and see if they are ok06:16
nixternalthanks06:16
Hobbseenixternal: cool, thanks06:19
nixternalnp, its ok?06:19
nixternali know it is probably the most professional ones to date ;)06:19
Hobbsee:) indeed06:20
nixternali will tell lulu bell everyone appreciated it ;)06:21
Hobbseeoh yay, kopete finished building.06:23
nixternalwoot06:23
nixternalwhat is the trick to get my monitors from shutting off every 5 to 10 minutes?06:24
nixternalever since i up'd to 3.5.4, system settings -> display doesn't fix it anymore06:25
Hobbseedunno06:26
Hobbseei dont have that problem06:26
nixternalit is a power feature tucked away somewhere06:26
Hobbseeyay, forgot to copy to the right place, therefore ssh failed.06:26
nixternalit happens on all 4 of my machines though06:26
nixternalhaha06:26
Hobbseewell, scp06:26
Hobbseessh is still up :)06:27
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Hobbseeright06:29
Hobbseehttp://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required06:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: ping?06:41
imbrandonpong06:42
imbrandonwell give me a sec, grabin a soda06:42
Hobbseeok06:43
imbrandonkk back06:45
imbrandonsup ?06:45
imbrandonHobbsee, ?06:46
Hobbsee[14:37]  <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required06:46
imbrandonahh okie06:46
Hobbseeoh darn it, one of the bits in the control file didnt format properly06:47
imbrandonso wait ?06:47
Hobbseeno, so go for it06:48
Hobbseethe binaries will be fine06:49
=== Hobbsee updates the source
imbrandonk06:49
Hobbseeimbrandon: looks like i forgot to hit enter.  i'm just updating the debdiff/.dsc/.diff.gz now06:49
Hobbseeyep, done06:49
=== Hobbsee wonders what the 0.12.2 changelog actually was.
imbrandonheh you'll get to see soon enough if you write up the uvf for it06:51
Hobbseei need the changelog to write the UVF06:53
imbrandonumm yup06:53
imbrandonthats the main part ;)06:53
imbrandonHobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF06:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: kopete's in main06:55
Hobbseei think i'ts just an email to mdz/kamion06:55
imbrandonsame process , thats what Riddell pointed me too for ktorrent and amarok , then you email mdz and point him to the bug06:56
Hobbseeright06:56
imbrandon( mostly so its documented on LP and not just your email thats not arcived like a ML )06:57
imbrandonarchived*06:57
Hobbseepoint,06:57
seaLnejust seeing that made me wonder whether the freenode server patch would be worthwile for dapper-updates?07:04
HobbseeseaLne: i'd prefer to backport the entire darn thing.  i dobut it's worth it07:05
=== Hobbsee has already had 2 updates of it to dapper backports.
Hobbsees/backports/updates/07:05
seaLnefair enough07:05
Hobbseeand mdz checks those *very* carefully07:05
seaLnedo you ever use kopete for irc?07:06
Hobbseeonce in a blue moon07:06
Hobbseenot to freenode07:06
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Hobbseehi poningru 07:07
HobbseeseaLne: too many channels i'm on, on freenode, and no aliases that i know of07:07
seaLnepresumably ok for one07:08
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seaLne_yeah does look a lot unlike xchat or something07:08
Hobbseelooks like trillian :P07:09
seaLne_never used that07:09
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poningru:)07:10
poningruhi07:10
seaLnecertainly fine for telling users to get to #kubuntu with07:10
Hobbseetrue07:10
seaLnebit complicated 07:14
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nixternalHobbsee: kopete is safe to try out?07:23
Hobbseenixternal: sure07:23
Hobbseenixternal: it's yet to blow up here07:23
Hobbseebut i dont know what the upstream changelog is though07:23
nixternalim not gonna get some weird pointy stick flashing across my screen ;)07:23
Hobbseehaha07:24
=== nixternal updates
Hobbseenow that would be fun.07:24
Hobbseenixternal: i have people eyeballing my stuff to main, remember?07:24
nixternalya, doesn't mean you can't hide a stick in there07:24
Hobbseeheh07:24
nixternalarg07:24
nixternalis that for edgy?07:24
nixternallol07:24
nixternalim a moron07:24
Hobbseejust wait till i get -core-dev...07:24
Hobbseenixternal: yes07:24
nixternallol07:24
Hobbseei386, too07:24
nixternalok, let me switch machines07:24
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PupenoHello.10:41
Pupeno[OT]  Is there any easy way, in PyKDE, to run kapp.exec_loop() in a separate thread so my application can continue to do other things ?10:41
RiddellI guess you could run threads in the normal python way, but generally if you're running a mainloop that's what you want to be concentrating on10:43
PupenoI have another mainloop, that's the problem.10:44
PupenoRiddell: anyway, I haven't seen the 'normal way' to run a Python thread... except by creating a class. Do I have to create a class ?10:45
Riddellno idea, never done it10:46
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freeflyingRiddell: I've sent you the debdiff of scim-chewing and scim-pinyin11:04
Riddellfreeflying: got that, will look at it today thanks11:08
freeflyingRiddell: would you mind have a look on scim-qtimm( doko's patch)11:08
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Riddellfreeflying: sure11:14
freeflyingRiddell: thanks11:14
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tomamorning12:10
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imbrandonmoins all02:22
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Hobbseehi all!02:32
tomamorning imbrandon, Hobbsee02:34
Hobbseehi toma 02:34
=== Hobbsee bounces up and down
imbrandonheya toma02:34
Hobbseewhich bit of the world do i take over first?02:34
imbrandonhehe02:34
tomafood market, /me is hungry02:34
=== Hobbsee is munching on dinner. it's hot
=== Hobbsee continues to bounce arond
Hobbsee*around02:35
=== imbrandon is eating a bowl of fruity prbbles
imbrandonpebbles*02:35
=== toma should write new flash software for the bread machine, this is taking to long
tomatoo02:36
imbrandonlol02:36
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Hobbseewhat'd i miss?02:37
imbrandon[07:35]  * Hobbsee continues to bounce arond02:37
imbrandon[07:35]  <Hobbsee> *around02:37
imbrandon[07:35]  * imbrandon is eating a bowl of fruity prbbles02:37
imbrandon[07:35]  <imbrandon> pebbles*02:37
Hobbseeyeah, got that much02:37
imbrandon[07:36]  * toma should write new flash software for the bread machine, this is taking to long02:37
imbrandon[07:36]  <toma> too02:38
Hobbsee[22:36]  <Hobbsee> interesting02:38
Hobbsee[22:36]  <Hobbsee> do they taste rock-like?02:38
imbrandon[07:36]  <imbrandon> lol02:38
imbrandonnot much lol02:38
imbrandonhahah no , you dont have them in AU ?02:38
Hobbseewe might...02:39
Hobbseei likely just dont eat them02:39
imbrandonwikipedia " Fruity Pebbles is a breakfast cereal introduced by Post Cereals in 1971 and featuring characters from the animated series The Flintstones. It contains fruit-flavoured crispy rice cereal bits. A similarly-themed cereal is Cocoa Pebbles. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruity_Pebbles 02:39
=== imbrandon is suprised it was in wikipedia LOL
Hobbseeahhh....02:39
Hobbseenope, we dont have them02:39
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imbrandonheh, i'm gonna start caling you tigger ( please tell me you know tigger of whinnie the poo )02:40
imbrandoncalling*02:40
Hobbseehaha02:40
=== Hobbsee attacked her supervisor with a stick today, too.
imbrandonlol02:41
Hobbseeyeah, i do02:41
Hobbseehi Riddell!02:46
Riddellhi Hobbsee 02:46
imbrandonmoins Riddell02:46
=== Hobbsee is still bouncing around.
Hobbseeno, i didnt find a secret stash of red cordial at work or something....02:47
imbrandonred cordial ?02:47
Hobbseeimbrandon: doesnt red cordial usually make people go hyper?02:47
Hobbseeohhhhh....you guys dont have red cordial, that's right.02:47
=== imbrandon doesnt know what it is hehehe
Hobbseeimbrandon: flavoured water.  clear, not fizzy02:48
imbrandonahh02:48
imbrandonkool aid02:48
imbrandon;)02:48
mornfalllook up kool-aid in jargon02:49
imbrandonKool-Aid is an artificially flavored soft drink concentrate made by Kraft Foods. Kool-Aid is sold as a powder to be mixed with water and a sweetener (sugar or an artificial sweetener). Some versions include the sweetener with the flavor concentrate, only requiring the addition of water.02:50
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Hobbseeyep02:51
mornfalljargon :p02:51
mornfallnot dictionary02:51
mornfall     The term originates in the suicide of 914 followers of Jim Jones's02:51
mornfall     People's Temple cult in Guyana in 1978. What they actually drank was02:51
mornfall     cyanide-laced Flavor-Aid, a cheap knockoff, rather than Kool-Aid02:51
mornfall     itself. There is a FAQ on this topic.02:51
imbrandonheh crazy /me dident know that02:52
mornfallto drink kool-aid -> to believe, loosely02:52
imbrandonto me its a drink for small kids heheh02:52
mornfallyeah... it has nasty connotations for many, though02:53
Hobbseeimbrandon: did you actually get your key signed, btw?02:53
imbrandonnext week02:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice :)02:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'm surprised they acked you for MOTU - it's listed as a requirement that you have a signed key02:54
=== imbrandon notes there are others with no signed key also ;)
imbrandonanyhow bbiab shower time02:55
Hobbseereally?02:56
seaLnethat sounds bad02:57
HobbseeseaLne: unsigned keys?  not really.  it doesnt really matter that much who the person is behind this keyboard, as long as i'm in control of the key, and i dont abuse it02:58
Hobbseethe fact that i have a name to go with the face, as proof doesnt mean that much per se.02:58
Hobbseeie, i'm more related to the work i do, rather than my name.  my name rarely even comes up02:58
Hobbseeif that makes sense02:58
seaLneit depends, if you new that imbrandon was actually bill gates you might be a bit warey02:58
Hobbseetrue that02:59
seaLneit also means that someone has met the person03:00
Hobbseealso true03:00
Hobbseelike, it has it's good points, but it's not *that* big a deal, in my view03:00
=== Hobbsee could go and hand her key out to others, and tell them her passphrase
seaLnedepends if you would ever want to work in the computing field :)03:02
seaLnei'm not sure prospectve employers finding that story via google would be impressed :)03:02
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Hobbseein fact, the only reason i got my .gnupg/ back was that it was on imbrandon's (and stevenk's) machines03:04
seaLneadmiting that would get your key revoked in debian afaik03:04
HobbseeseaLne: right, i wont admit it too loudly then03:06
Hobbsee(but how am i supposed to upload signed stuff from other machines then?)03:06
HobbseeseaLne: it's still protected by passphrase03:06
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=== Hobbsee shrugs too
ajmitchHobbsee: you're admitting it in a logged channel though03:08
ajmitchseriously..03:08
Hobbseepoint.03:08
ajmitchfor signed stuff on other machines - see debrsign03:08
Hobbseeahhh...03:08
=== Hobbsee wishes someone had told her that earlier.
=== ajmitch revoked his key when his laptop was stolen in montreal, even though it was protected by a passphrase
Hobbseeajmitch: well, i considered revoking when i'd lost my local copy.  but then i'd be working with an unsigned key again.03:09
ajmitchconsidering that you know where other developers live, it wouldn't be a challenge03:09
Hobbseetrue, it wouldnt be as hard as the first time.03:10
seaLnethe stalking paid ff then?03:10
HobbseeseaLne: hmmm?03:10
ajmitchHobbsee: don't expect me to fly over & sign it though03:10
seaLnejoking about you knowing where they live03:10
Hobbseeajmitch: of course, yeah03:11
=== ajmitch should find his usb stick with his key on it
Hobbseesurely that's just as evil.  if that got stolen...03:12
ajmitchit's in my room03:12
ajmitchthe only problem is that the plastic attaching it to my keyring broke recently03:13
imbrandonthus why you keep and encrypted backup on removeable media ;)03:13
ajmitch& the key is on an encrypted partition 03:13
imbrandonyup03:13
ajmitchimbrandon: that is the removeable media :)03:13
imbrandonajmitch: yea i meant more for Hobbsee benifet03:14
=== ajmitch was also intending to leave a cd with keys at parent's place
ajmitchHobbsee also should never have keys on any computers but her own03:14
imbrandonprobably true03:15
imbrandoni have a copy on 3 systems but i 100% control all 303:15
=== ajmitch doesn't have 3 systems that really work
=== ajmitch must get to bed
Hobbseenight ajmitch 03:18
imbrandongnight03:18
=== toma opens merge-o-matic
Hobbseetoma: yay :)03:24
Hobbseehey, if i revoke my old key, and create a new key, and add it to LP, what happens with regarding uploading packages?03:25
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seaLnethey get automatically deleted? probably nothing03:27
HobbseeseaLne: i dont want to lose my upload rights :P03:28
seaLneprobably worth speaking to some people about what they think03:28
Hobbseeyeah, asking in LP now03:30
Lurehi all03:41
=== toma closes merge-o-matic
Lurewhom should I bug if my @ubuntu.com/@kubuntu.org address is not valid again? postmaster@ubuntu.com does not seem to respond...03:42
RiddellLure: canonical-sysadmin03:44
LureRiddell: which is (or where to get him)?03:45
RiddellLure: see launchpad people03:52
LureRiddell: so on #launchpad (never had any contact with Lunchpad folks)03:52
Riddellyou can ping them on irc usually, else e-mail03:52
HobbseeLure: yeah.  they're not that evil03:52
LureHobbsee: ;-)03:55
HobbseeLure: i've yet to be overly blasted by anyone tonight03:56
RiddellLure: on /msg03:59
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LureRiddell: sure04:04
Riddellladies and gentlement, announcing...04:16
RiddellHWDB client: KDE!  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb04:17
Riddelland you'll be wanting http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-common_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb  too04:17
Riddell** testers needed ^^04:17
Hobbseeooh fun04:17
Hobbseedoes it kill much?04:17
HobbseeRiddell: i've done kopete 0.12.2, btw04:17
Riddelldoesn't kill anything04:18
RiddellHobbsee: is 0.12.2 released?04:18
HobbseeRiddell: yep04:18
RiddellHobbsee: got packages for testing?04:19
HobbseeRiddell: i386, yeah04:19
LureRiddell: hwdb-client-common depends on python2.4-gnome2 ???04:19
HobbseeRiddell: apachelogger did a diff, but i dont know *where* he got the upstream tarball from.04:19
HobbseeRiddell: buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete04:19
RiddellLure: eek, I'll fix that04:21
LureRiddell: also 04:21
Lurehwdb-client-common depends on python-glade2; however:04:21
Lurehwdb-client-common depends on fping; however:04:21
Lurenot sure what fping is...04:21
Riddellinstall it :)04:22
fritschHobbsee: is this kopete an edgy only built?04:23
Hobbseefritsch: currently, yes04:23
Hobbseesources are there04:23
fritschHobbsee:  :-) so i recompile04:23
LureRiddell: fping is fine, but gnome2 and glade bring all the gnome uglyness ;-)04:23
fritschHobbsee: but is it worth updating?04:24
Hobbseefritsch: dunno.  i've yet to actually see a changelog04:25
tomaRiddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5nnUbc10.html04:26
tomajust before the uploading screen04:26
Riddelltoma: what permissions do you have on /var/log/dmesg ?04:27
RiddellLure: fixed version uploaded04:27
tomaRiddell: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 18175 Aug 16 11:57 /var/log/dmesg04:27
LureRiddell: better - thanks04:28
Riddelltoma: curious04:28
tomaRiddell: 2 problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kMggOj43.html04:28
Riddelltoma: it's world readable for me04:28
tomawhen wanting to see my personal results on the web04:29
tomahttp://rafb.net/paste/results/cDWX2q33.html for copy to clipboard, probably same problem.04:31
LureRiddell: show online record fails: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2076504:34
LureRiddell: copy to clipboard either: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2076604:35
LureRiddell: otherwise ok04:35
tomaLure: similar to my pasts04:35
Lure(not sure what it does)04:35
tomaLure: you can quit it and restart it04:35
tomaLure: then you get back to the last page04:35
Luretoma: did not check your logs before posting...04:35
tomaLure: and the buttons will work04:36
Luretoma: true04:36
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RiddellLure, toma: fixed packages uploaded; rm ~/.hwdb before running04:45
Hobbseeyay for new gpg keys.04:47
=== Hobbsee wonders what else she's forgotten to do
RiddellHobbsee: test hwdb!04:48
HobbseeRiddell: what does it do?04:48
Riddellgives us your secret data so we can spy on you04:49
LureRiddell: sure? still see this problem... 04:49
HobbseeRiddell: oh yay.04:49
HobbseeRiddell: you can tell i go to MQ uni.  yay.04:49
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RiddellLure: what do you have in ~/.hwdb?04:51
LureRiddell: 4afce7d0e11f935217ab6fa743e6018d04:51
LureRiddell: but it works when restarted (as toma said)04:52
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=== Hobbsee wishes people wouldnt get shirty when they send things to an old email account of hers, and complain that she doestn read it.
Hobbseeyes...that's cos it doesnt exist anymore????04:54
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Hobbseeack.04:56
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fritschHobbsee: recompiling kopete on dapper did not work, one error nearly at the end dh_install -pkopete04:58
Hobbseefritsch: what was the error?04:58
fritschHobbsee: ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so <- does not exist04:58
Hobbseei *fixed* that.04:58
Hobbseeoh shit04:58
Hobbseei fixed that externally, but not locally04:59
Hobbseeand then uploaded the local bits second.04:59
fritschHobbsee: :-) kopete_3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- this patch i have taken04:59
Hobbseefritsch: yeah, yeah.04:59
Hobbseegive me a sec to think on that.04:59
fritschHobbsee: 05:00
fritsch+debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so05:00
fritsch+debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.la05:00
fritschsorry, just remove these lines, from your patch?05:01
Hobbseefritsch: yeah, i know waht the problem is05:01
=== Hobbsee will just fix the patch.
fritschHobbsee: cool, thx05:01
RiddellLure, toma: ok, fix reallu uploaded now05:04
Hobbseeanyone got something simple for me to eyeball and upload?05:06
RiddellHobbsee: you could remove the konqueror middle-click-scoll and close-on-tab-icons options from k-d-s05:07
Hobbseei dont want something that takes forever to rebuild.05:07
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Riddellkopete 0.12.2 seems to work05:10
Hobbseeyay05:10
Riddellalthough that .deb is larger than the source package05:11
Hobbseewhich is kinda scary05:12
Hobbseei'm not quite sure why05:12
HobbseeRiddell: if you're looking to build it from source, wait about 30 seconds.05:12
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RiddellI'm not05:14
Hobbseeright, now its' done05:14
Hobbseefritsch: fixed05:14
RiddellI'm waiting for a changelog before that05:14
Riddellbut one does not seem to exist05:14
HobbseeRiddell: yeah.  apachelogger should have one.05:14
Hobbseehe found one for 0.12.1 somehow05:14
Hobbseeoh good - i couldnt find it either05:14
fritschHobbsee: thx05:15
fritschHobbsee: building (can take a very long time ...)05:16
Hobbseefritsch: no kidding.05:17
=== Hobbsee has compiled that enough times...
fritschHobbsee: hehe, i think your compile was also faster ...05:17
Hobbseetrue that.  imbrandon has a nice build machine.05:18
Hobbseefritsch: i didnt rebuild then, well...i didnt rebuild the binaries, anyway05:18
Hobbseethe binaries work, i believe05:18
Hobbseethey work here05:18
Hobbseeoh gosh, i dont remember if they do or not anymore...05:18
Hobbseeyes, they have to.05:18
Hobbseebecause i changed it externally, then rebuilt.  so it didnt ftbfs05:19
Hobbseeyes.  all is okay.05:19
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fritschHobbsee: coffee?05:23
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Hobbseegrr.  everything seems to requre the rotten automake, which doesnt seem to want to behave tonight.05:23
Hobbseefritsch: i dont drink it. 05:23
Hobbsee@time sydney05:23
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: August 17 2006, 01:23:2905:23
fritschHobbsee: marte? <- this drink the local hackers from the ccc here05:23
=== Hobbsee does need to sleep
Hobbseeapparently there's a comp quiz on tomorrow :(05:24
fritschHobbsee: it`s written mate, sorry05:24
Hobbseeon classes, so it cant be too evil05:24
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Hobbseeand i'll have to charge my laptop overnight again.  grrr.05:25
Hobbseebedtime.  night all05:25
alleeHobbsee: nite05:25
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Hobbseeallee: :)  what's the deal w.r.t amarok and alioth?05:25
alleeHobbsee: Dell Laptop?  My battery will be exchanged ;)05:25
Hobbseeallee: no, this is a toshiba.  but it's prone to overheating.05:26
alleeHobbsee: ah, alioth right, well, I've to write something together05:26
Hobbseeok05:26
Hobbseeallee: i've already got a stack of changes to go into ubuntu's amarok - not sure how much should go into debian's too.05:27
fritschHobbsee: the Debian unstable packages had a patch, which stopped listing artists, which are only on samplers05:27
alleeHobbsee: Okay, I feel guilty.  I change TODO for tonight and write an intro05:28
Hobbseeallee: dont feel guilty.05:28
fritschHobbsee: This was cool, so you did not have "all" of them extra listed05:28
=== Hobbsee still has a whole lot to deal with from the meeting, which she hasnt touched yet.
Hobbseefritsch: oh nice05:28
=== allee feels a bit less guilty
Hobbseeallee: good man :)05:28
Hobbseeuh oh, i'm about to be yelled at05:28
Hobbseeyay...yelling....05:29
alleeHobbsee: sleep! then you don't hear it ;)05:29
Hobbseefritsch: if you have the patch handy, then either filing a bug, or emailing it to me at hobbseeATkubuntu.org would be helpful05:30
Hobbseein fact, do that anyway, to rmeind me05:30
Hobbsee*remind05:30
Hobbseeallee: hmmm.....true that.05:30
Hobbseemaybe05:30
fritschHobbsee: I will look for it05:30
alleeHobbsee: oh, does user@ubuntu.com imply a <user>@kubunto.org address?05:31
Hobbseeallee: not necessarily05:32
alleek05:32
Hobbseeim' not sure what happens with that - kubuntu members get @kubuntu addresses, and vice versa.  i'm not sureif they get both05:32
Hobbseeallee: i've got both @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org05:32
Hobbseefeel free to use either05:32
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Hobbseeiirc i sign with @ubuntu.com but use @kubuntu.org normally05:33
Hobbseeboth are listed on the same key, so it makes no difference05:33
Hobbseenight all05:34
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tomanite05:34
alleeworks. cool I have fix my gpg key ;)05:34
alleetoma: hi05:35
Riddelltoma: did that fix your hwdb problem?05:35
tomahey allee05:35
tomaRiddell: sorry, my cat lay down, so i could not really move05:35
toma+on me05:35
Riddellthat happens05:35
tomalet me check05:35
tomaRiddell: same urls?05:38
Riddellyes05:38
tomaok, no difference in that case05:39
Riddellreally?05:39
tomareally05:39
Riddellwith latest versions?  I made two fixes05:39
tomaRiddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TIzgmZ93.html05:39
LureRiddell: same here 05:41
Lurewhere in code (line) did you fix?05:41
RiddellLure: last line of dataSent() method05:42
Riddellshould be "self.hwdb_lock = md5sum"05:42
tomanot here05:43
Riddellok, rebuilt, try  wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb05:44
Lurethis one looks ok (from source), old one did not - trying...05:45
tomaRiddell: works ok05:46
LureRiddell: here too!05:47
Riddellrocking, thanks people05:47
tomai dont like the moving when you choose an option05:47
tomawhen the arrows are shown05:47
Riddellon the Send button?05:47
Riddelloh, the yes/no buttons?05:48
Lureyes, that is a bit strange - and font size before sending in huge...05:48
tomano, on the different pages05:48
tomaLure: indeed05:48
Lureand I hope we get kubuntu logo and some purple... ;-)05:48
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tomaand i would like to see what i'm sending to someone, but that is maybe personal ;-)05:48
LureRiddell: will this get menu in Utilities?05:48
Riddellhmm, that's broken, there should always be an arrow by the radios05:49
RiddellLure: it's in System05:49
tomaRiddell: i'm not seeing them for the first two options05:49
tomawhich package is that?05:49
LureRiddell: not here...05:50
LureRiddell: no .desktop file in .deb so I doubt it...05:50
tomaconfirmed, it is not in system05:51
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fritschHobbsee: kopete successfully compiled on dapper05:55
Riddell.desktop file added to http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb05:57
LureRiddell: are you sure? not in the one I downloaded with wget...06:01
Lure;-)06:01
Riddellworks for me06:01
LureRiddell: no .desktop in file...06:02
Riddellwget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb; lesspipe hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb | grep desktop06:06
Riddell-rw-r--r-- root/root      1701 2006-08-16 14:01 ./usr/share/applications/kde/hwdb-kde.desktop06:06
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bddebianHello06:15
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tomaRiddell: it shows in system now, even translated. 06:19
Riddellsuper :)06:20
Riddellwell no response from ogra, I think I'll just upload it06:20
tomanobody told me tomalbers@kubuntu.org simply works06:41
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seaLnetoma: it works for all kubuntu-members07:13
tomaseaLne: ok, i'll use that to sign from now07:14
seaLne@ubuntu.com aswell07:14
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tomaseaLne: any more hidden features? (like a bog build cluster or something)07:34
tomabig07:34
seaLnenot yet07:47
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Riddellhi apachelogger, do you have the kopete changelog?08:01
apacheloggerah, now I rember why I joined #kopete before ^^08:02
apacheloggerRiddell: no08:02
Riddellhmm08:02
Riddellkinday hard to get an upstream version freeze without one08:02
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RiddellI think we need to wait for mattr08:03
apacheloggeryeah08:04
seaLnewoot i'm now on qa team :)08:04
Riddellyay08:04
_Simeyuriy: Hi08:09
apacheloggerhm08:13
apacheloggernow my notebook suffers from really strange bugs08:13
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apacheloggerbattery status only gets updated after it has been hibernated once08:14
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yuriy_Sime: hi08:18
_Simeyuriy: how is wineconfig going?08:18
_Simeyuriy: what is working, what is left to do?08:19
_Simeyuriy: (SoC is almost over, y/n?)08:19
yuriyyep it is08:20
yuriythe only outstanding issue is really the audio08:20
yuriyright now it just offers the whole list of drivers and no way to test08:20
yuriyi didn't realize just how bad my C is until i tried to make a patch for winebrowser.. that took a while08:21
yuriyso the sound test isn't going to be done by the 21st08:21
yuriyi'm working on appearance settings08:21
yuriythat'll get done08:21
yuriyi'll make a couple default color schemes that will try to match plastik and such08:22
yuriy+ i've forwarded whatever widget styles i found to david (the other project)08:23
_Simek08:23
_Simeyuriy: when do you have to go back to school? do you think you will be doing much work on it after the 21st?08:24
yuriyYoKoZar started working on improving the .desktop file situation recently, so menus will be improving08:25
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yuriy_Sime: i'm moving back to school on the 23rd, but it doesn't start until the 29th, except for some training thing for work08:26
_SimeI haven't looked at it for a while. It looks like you've done a lot. ;-)08:26
yuriy_Sime: so other than the move-in day, i'll have next week pretty much free08:26
yuriy_Sime: the only thing that should be not working on there right now is the color schemes box - that does nothing08:27
yuriy+ the font size sets the right setting, but doesn't seem to have any effect (i've tried it with winecfg)08:28
_Simeyuriy: so the audio tab works, but you just can't (as user) test what you've selected. Is that right?08:29
yuriy_Sime: also the default browser setting doesn't quite work correctly, needs a patch for winebrowser that i submitted but hasn't been accepted yet08:30
yuriy_Sime: I don't really know what to do with the general tab right now.  There aren't really any other settings that I can think of that belong on there, but I can't think of a better place to put the version either08:32
_Simeyuriy: you could seek it onto the Applications tab.08:35
_Simeyuriy: since in the applications tab it talks about the default/global version setting.08:35
superstoned hey, riddell, hwdb-kde is nice, but sound doesn't play, and it feels slow. resizing, typing... if Qt4 is supposed to be fast, what is this? :D btw, i don't have nvidia driver running atm, which slows certain stuff, that might be it... or is it just slow?08:36
yuriy_Sime: heh that's something that kind of bothered me about winecfg08:36
yuriy_Sime: though the main thing i didn't like about it there is that it implies that you're just selecting an application to set the version for, but it actually applies to the whole dialog08:36
_Simeyuriy: call it the Default for all applications or something.08:37
yuriy_Sime: a couple other reasons i don't want it there:08:40
yuriymy appications tab doesn't appear in the application specific dialog08:40
Riddellsuperstoned: shouldn't be slow, although resizing isn't great due to multiple layers being drawn08:41
yuriyand if it did, again it would just be the one setting there just like the current "general" tab08:41
superstonedriddell: it feels like it lags when typing. bit like krita when painting ;-)08:42
yuriyand because I think the windows version should be one of the first visible setting for the user, but the specific applications thing shouldn't08:42
yuriyespecially considering david is planning to make a context menu for .exe's that you can get to the application specific settings from08:42
superstonedriddell: but i can't test it again, it gives me the ID, and only the ID ;-)08:43
Riddellsuperstoned: typing seems fine to me, no lag and definately better than konqueror08:43
Riddellsuperstoned: rm ~/.hwdb08:44
Riddelli'll add a re-run button at some point08:44
superstonedshould this be hardware accellerated (GL, RENDER) on good drivers, btw? if not, well, it looks nice, but i already have irritations concerning drawing speed on a 2.8 ghz AMD...08:44
superstonedok. guess it's a coincidence, with the nv driver which is slow anyway. sucks to depend on NVidia for drivers :(08:44
Riddellthere shouldn't be anything accelarated about it08:50
yuriysuperstoned: is it just that program? i get slight occasional lag just about everywhere with nv :(08:51
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_Simeyuriy: :-/ combine the Default Version  and the libraries tab perhaps...09:12
superstonedyuriy: well, yes, everywhere a bit, but not that bad. if i type here (konversation) my cpu doesn't go up at all, while with the hwdb tool, it goes to 100% while i type.09:12
_SimeRiddell: what do you think about the audiocd:/ IO-slave. It is used much by normal users?09:28
Riddell_Sime: yes I think so09:32
Riddellat least I use it :)09:33
_SimeRiddell: I mean for ripping CDs?09:33
yuriyi've used it in the past but i don't know what functionality it provides over media:/hdc or system:/media/hdc  other than not involving the name of your cd drive09:34
yuriyor are those audiocd:/ in the background anyways when it's an audio cd?09:35
Riddell_Sime: so do I09:38
Riddellyuriy: they are09:39
yuriyRiddell: in that case I use it and i'm sure plenty of people do09:45
yuriy_Sime: i think i have to finally learn to use KConfig10:16
yuriy_Sime: need a good way to store color schemes10:16
_Simeyuriy: you mean a custom colour scheme that someone has configured in wineconfig?10:17
yuriy_Sime: yes, or a default one that I make (which i intend to do in wineconfig myself anyway)10:18
yuriy_Sime: i'd like to put them in a config file (wineconfigrc) which so far i haven't had a real need to use.  i could also make registry keys to store them (windows has them, but they are binary andd currently not used by wine).  or i could make a sepearate .reg file forr each scheme which would make them easier to apply but annoying to store10:20
_Simeyuriy: soooo kconfig it is!10:21
nixternalhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=4433110:21
nixternalenjoy ;)10:21
yuriy_Sime: i know python also has a module to store and read data structures as text, it would make it a lot easier to store and read if i could use that.  but that would be incompatible with the way KDE stores configuration right?10:23
yuriynixternal: now only to get some nice printable sticker paper!10:25
_Simeyuriy: true. By using kconfig you won't have to worry about _where_ the info gets stored in the user's $HOME or whatever.10:25
nixternalhehe10:25
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=== _Sime wonders how much it would cost to have that printed as a roll of stickers...
nixternalim definitely going to find out..i did it because "System76" was providing them free to residents int he US, so i thought everyone should be able to get something similar, so i created them10:27
nixternalyou can use the avery labels, as they work great, they are 2x4...or if you had a dymo printer or whatever they are called, you can get the 2x3 labels on a roll of 50010:28
yuriy_Sime: yep i know. any way to combine the two? :D10:33
_Simeyuriy: kconfig is pretty easy to use10:33
yuriyheh did some searching on the stickers. looks like about $1.70 per custom sticker in bulk quantities10:34
yuriydoes System76 have kubuntu or just ubuntu ones?10:34
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nixternaljust ubuntu ones10:39
nixternaladept notifier icon in edgy is messed up here...same with anyone else?10:46
_Simeyuriy: just pass in what you want to write to writeEntry() and PyKDE will work out what you mean.10:56
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yuriy_Sime: yeah i know, just saying the documentation is daunting11:03
yuriy_Sime: btw, my desktop is still showing a battery icon that's 50% charged and has 10 minutes of battery life left ; )11:04
yuriythe KConfig entry looks so much like the wine/windows registry entry it's scary11:11
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nixternalimbrandon: why do i have to look at mr. potato head on my desktop?11:21
imbrandonbecouse you complained for so long that i had a socer ball, now deal ;)11:22
nixternalhttp://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/mrpotato.jpg11:23
nixternaljust for you11:23
apacheloggeryuriy: http://dev.bit-freaks.net/apachelogger/poweredbykubuntu/images.html ;-)11:23
nixternalapachelogger: you printed some already?11:24
nixternalim doing it now as well ;)11:24
apachelogger:D11:24
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nixternalyou shrunk them down and made case badges?11:24
nixternaloh dude you rock11:24
apacheloggerlast time I did stick something geeky I lost mind and went insane11:25
apacheloggerKay that was ;-)11:25
yuriyapachelogger: the nice primitive konqueror generated picture gallery? :P11:25
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apacheloggerhehe, nebuchadnezzar isn't yet completely installed :P11:26
apacheloggerdoesn't even have kipi11:26
apacheloggerRiddell: why don't we use knet for internet connection setup? ... people told me setting up DSL with a dialup modem is hell, though knet would support a GUI way for that11:44
nixternalapachelogger: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/poweredby/PoweredByKubuntu/11:58
nixternalim gonna go buy some of that glossy paper in a bit ;)11:58
apachelogger^^11:59
fritschRiddell: you kubuntu hwdb is only working on edgy? because of the pyqt qt4 dependencies?12:00

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