=== RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-110-236.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] imbrandon: the text at the top "these are unofficial..." should be the default font for you. [12:13] yup [12:14] judging from the screenie, irc is a lot bigger, so i was confused [12:14] I have a pb with automake: I try to compile an app from the kde svn and I then want to do: make -f admin/Makefile.common [12:15] but it doesn't work [12:15] does the file exists? [12:15] I have a warning about alocale and then error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion [12:15] sure [12:16] I google to find the problem but I did not find anything [12:16] autoconf 2.52 ? [12:16] 2.59 [12:17] you seem to have a mismatch between autoconf and automake [12:17] can you see if either one is upgradable? [12:17] no upgrade available [12:18] both are the standard version installed with dapper... [12:18] I can't understand [12:19] is there an older version installed? [12:19] as well [12:19] nop [12:20] should I install an older version too (like the 1.4) ? [12:20] or a newer ( 1.9) version of automake ? [12:21] no [12:22] can you move aclocal.m4 to a temp place on your hd and try again? [12:24] I install 1.9 (and remove 1.8) and I have the same error... [12:26] toma: you mean all the aclocale dir ? [12:26] no [12:26] in the top source dir is here a file called aclocal.m4 ? [12:28] no, this file is created during the procedure [12:28] the problem is from: /usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB [12:28] that is something else ;-) [12:43] imbrandon: site fixed, missing after each block, thnxs [12:43] np, dinner time for me, bbiab [12:44] Riddell: i cc'd you on a reply mail from pitti to the ubuntu-devel list , when you have time to look it over , no hurries === imbrandon is afk === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:40] Hello === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-34-190.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.160.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _claydoh [n=clay@66-252-38-93.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] nice! apachelogger did kopete 0.12.2! === Hobbsee makes a note to examine that, and add her changes === claydoh [n=clay@66-252-37-201.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-110-236.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:26] suspicious. md5sums and sizes of the .orig.tar.gz are different, between his version and the version off the kopete.kde.org site. boht were changed from .bz2 to .gz === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.109.24] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=hua@123.49.237.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] hahahaha [05:41] < shad0w1e> hmm sleepydog, you said that reiserfs would only be faster in some "extreme" situations [05:41] < shad0w1e> would you consider KDE booting up to be an extreme situation? [05:43] lol! [06:08] to be fair, kde starts up much better with an empty session [06:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2006-08-10 [06:16] meeting minutes are complete, please do a look over and see if they are ok [06:16] thanks [06:19] nixternal: cool, thanks [06:19] np, its ok? [06:19] i know it is probably the most professional ones to date ;) [06:20] :) indeed [06:21] i will tell lulu bell everyone appreciated it ;) [06:23] oh yay, kopete finished building. [06:23] woot [06:24] what is the trick to get my monitors from shutting off every 5 to 10 minutes? [06:25] ever since i up'd to 3.5.4, system settings -> display doesn't fix it anymore [06:26] dunno [06:26] i dont have that problem [06:26] it is a power feature tucked away somewhere [06:26] yay, forgot to copy to the right place, therefore ssh failed. [06:26] it happens on all 4 of my machines though [06:26] haha [06:26] well, scp [06:27] ssh is still up :) === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/ | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Merges at: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/bzr/powermanager/ | TODO: Gamin fixes at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates | Merges at: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [06:29] right [06:37] http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required [06:41] imbrandon: ping? [06:42] pong [06:42] well give me a sec, grabin a soda [06:43] ok [06:45] kk back [06:45] sup ? [06:46] Hobbsee, ? [06:46] [14:37] http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required [06:46] ahh okie [06:47] oh darn it, one of the bits in the control file didnt format properly [06:47] so wait ? [06:48] no, so go for it [06:49] the binaries will be fine === Hobbsee updates the source [06:49] k [06:49] imbrandon: looks like i forgot to hit enter. i'm just updating the debdiff/.dsc/.diff.gz now [06:49] yep, done === Hobbsee wonders what the 0.12.2 changelog actually was. [06:51] heh you'll get to see soon enough if you write up the uvf for it [06:53] i need the changelog to write the UVF [06:53] umm yup [06:53] thats the main part ;) [06:54] Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF [06:55] imbrandon: kopete's in main [06:55] i think i'ts just an email to mdz/kamion [06:56] same process , thats what Riddell pointed me too for ktorrent and amarok , then you email mdz and point him to the bug [06:56] right [06:57] ( mostly so its documented on LP and not just your email thats not arcived like a ML ) [06:57] archived* [06:57] point, [07:04] just seeing that made me wonder whether the freenode server patch would be worthwile for dapper-updates? [07:05] seaLne: i'd prefer to backport the entire darn thing. i dobut it's worth it === Hobbsee has already had 2 updates of it to dapper backports. [07:05] s/backports/updates/ [07:05] fair enough [07:05] and mdz checks those *very* carefully [07:06] do you ever use kopete for irc? [07:06] once in a blue moon [07:06] not to freenode === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:07] hi poningru [07:07] seaLne: too many channels i'm on, on freenode, and no aliases that i know of [07:08] presumably ok for one === seaLne_ [n=seaLne@cpc1-broo4-0-0-cust995.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:08] yeah does look a lot unlike xchat or something [07:09] looks like trillian :P [07:09] never used that === seaLne_ [n=seaLne@cpc1-broo4-0-0-cust995.renf.cable.ntl.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [07:10] :) [07:10] hi [07:10] certainly fine for telling users to get to #kubuntu with [07:10] true [07:14] bit complicated === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:23] Hobbsee: kopete is safe to try out? [07:23] nixternal: sure [07:23] nixternal: it's yet to blow up here [07:23] but i dont know what the upstream changelog is though [07:23] im not gonna get some weird pointy stick flashing across my screen ;) [07:24] haha === nixternal updates [07:24] now that would be fun. [07:24] nixternal: i have people eyeballing my stuff to main, remember? [07:24] ya, doesn't mean you can't hide a stick in there [07:24] heh [07:24] arg [07:24] is that for edgy? [07:24] lol [07:24] im a moron [07:24] just wait till i get -core-dev... 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[10:41] [OT] Is there any easy way, in PyKDE, to run kapp.exec_loop() in a separate thread so my application can continue to do other things ? [10:43] I guess you could run threads in the normal python way, but generally if you're running a mainloop that's what you want to be concentrating on [10:44] I have another mainloop, that's the problem. [10:45] Riddell: anyway, I haven't seen the 'normal way' to run a Python thread... except by creating a class. Do I have to create a class ? [10:46] no idea, never done it === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] Riddell: I've sent you the debdiff of scim-chewing and scim-pinyin [11:08] freeflying: got that, will look at it today thanks [11:08] Riddell: would you mind have a look on scim-qtimm( doko's patch) === omeoww [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeoww is now known as omeow [11:14] freeflying: sure [11:14] Riddell: thanks === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane_ [n=kane@202.83.34.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] morning === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.147.63] has joined #kubuntu-devel === __osh__ [n=osh@81-229-112-185-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp143-237.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.34.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huahua [n=hua@123.49.237.121] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-113.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === matus [n=Matus@milk.shake.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.45.200.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] moins all === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:32] hi all! [02:34] morning imbrandon, Hobbsee [02:34] hi toma === Hobbsee bounces up and down [02:34] heya toma [02:34] which bit of the world do i take over first? [02:34] hehe [02:34] food market, /me is hungry === Hobbsee is munching on dinner. it's hot === Hobbsee continues to bounce arond [02:35] *around === imbrandon is eating a bowl of fruity prbbles [02:35] pebbles* === toma should write new flash software for the bread machine, this is taking to long [02:36] too [02:36] lol === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] what'd i miss? [02:37] [07:35] * Hobbsee continues to bounce arond [02:37] [07:35] *around [02:37] [07:35] * imbrandon is eating a bowl of fruity prbbles [02:37] [07:35] pebbles* [02:37] yeah, got that much [02:37] [07:36] * toma should write new flash software for the bread machine, this is taking to long [02:38] [07:36] too [02:38] [22:36] interesting [02:38] [22:36] do they taste rock-like? [02:38] [07:36] lol [02:38] not much lol [02:38] hahah no , you dont have them in AU ? [02:39] we might... [02:39] i likely just dont eat them [02:39] wikipedia " Fruity Pebbles is a breakfast cereal introduced by Post Cereals in 1971 and featuring characters from the animated series The Flintstones. It contains fruit-flavoured crispy rice cereal bits. A similarly-themed cereal is Cocoa Pebbles. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruity_Pebbles === imbrandon is suprised it was in wikipedia LOL [02:39] ahhh.... [02:39] nope, we dont have them === Hobbsee continues to bounce around happily [02:40] heh, i'm gonna start caling you tigger ( please tell me you know tigger of whinnie the poo ) [02:40] calling* [02:40] haha === Hobbsee attacked her supervisor with a stick today, too. [02:41] lol [02:41] yeah, i do [02:46] hi Riddell! [02:46] hi Hobbsee [02:46] moins Riddell === Hobbsee is still bouncing around. [02:47] no, i didnt find a secret stash of red cordial at work or something.... [02:47] red cordial ? [02:47] imbrandon: doesnt red cordial usually make people go hyper? [02:47] ohhhhh....you guys dont have red cordial, that's right. === imbrandon doesnt know what it is hehehe [02:48] imbrandon: flavoured water. clear, not fizzy [02:48] ahh [02:48] kool aid [02:48] ;) [02:49] look up kool-aid in jargon [02:50] Kool-Aid is an artificially flavored soft drink concentrate made by Kraft Foods. Kool-Aid is sold as a powder to be mixed with water and a sweetener (sugar or an artificial sweetener). Some versions include the sweetener with the flavor concentrate, only requiring the addition of water. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] yep [02:51] jargon :p [02:51] not dictionary [02:51] The term originates in the suicide of 914 followers of Jim Jones's [02:51] People's Temple cult in Guyana in 1978. What they actually drank was [02:51] cyanide-laced Flavor-Aid, a cheap knockoff, rather than Kool-Aid [02:51] itself. There is a FAQ on this topic. [02:52] heh crazy /me dident know that [02:52] to drink kool-aid -> to believe, loosely [02:52] to me its a drink for small kids heheh [02:53] yeah... it has nasty connotations for many, though [02:53] imbrandon: did you actually get your key signed, btw? [02:54] next week [02:54] imbrandon: nice :) [02:54] imbrandon: i'm surprised they acked you for MOTU - it's listed as a requirement that you have a signed key === imbrandon notes there are others with no signed key also ;) [02:55] anyhow bbiab shower time [02:56] really? [02:57] that sounds bad [02:58] seaLne: unsigned keys? not really. it doesnt really matter that much who the person is behind this keyboard, as long as i'm in control of the key, and i dont abuse it [02:58] the fact that i have a name to go with the face, as proof doesnt mean that much per se. [02:58] ie, i'm more related to the work i do, rather than my name. my name rarely even comes up [02:58] if that makes sense [02:58] it depends, if you new that imbrandon was actually bill gates you might be a bit warey [02:59] true that [03:00] it also means that someone has met the person [03:00] also true [03:00] like, it has it's good points, but it's not *that* big a deal, in my view === Hobbsee could go and hand her key out to others, and tell them her passphrase [03:02] depends if you would ever want to work in the computing field :) [03:02] i'm not sure prospectve employers finding that story via google would be impressed :) === kane_ [n=kane@202.83.34.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] in fact, the only reason i got my .gnupg/ back was that it was on imbrandon's (and stevenk's) machines [03:04] admiting that would get your key revoked in debian afaik [03:06] seaLne: right, i wont admit it too loudly then [03:06] (but how am i supposed to upload signed stuff from other machines then?) [03:06] seaLne: it's still protected by passphrase === seaLne shrugs === Hobbsee shrugs too [03:08] Hobbsee: you're admitting it in a logged channel though [03:08] seriously.. [03:08] point. [03:08] for signed stuff on other machines - see debrsign [03:08] ahhh... === Hobbsee wishes someone had told her that earlier. === ajmitch revoked his key when his laptop was stolen in montreal, even though it was protected by a passphrase [03:09] ajmitch: well, i considered revoking when i'd lost my local copy. but then i'd be working with an unsigned key again. [03:09] considering that you know where other developers live, it wouldn't be a challenge [03:10] true, it wouldnt be as hard as the first time. [03:10] the stalking paid ff then? [03:10] seaLne: hmmm? [03:10] Hobbsee: don't expect me to fly over & sign it though [03:10] joking about you knowing where they live [03:11] ajmitch: of course, yeah === ajmitch should find his usb stick with his key on it [03:12] surely that's just as evil. if that got stolen... [03:12] it's in my room [03:13] the only problem is that the plastic attaching it to my keyring broke recently [03:13] thus why you keep and encrypted backup on removeable media ;) [03:13] & the key is on an encrypted partition [03:13] yup [03:13] imbrandon: that is the removeable media :) [03:14] ajmitch: yea i meant more for Hobbsee benifet === ajmitch was also intending to leave a cd with keys at parent's place [03:14] Hobbsee also should never have keys on any computers but her own [03:15] probably true [03:15] i have a copy on 3 systems but i 100% control all 3 === ajmitch doesn't have 3 systems that really work === ajmitch must get to bed [03:18] night ajmitch [03:18] gnight === toma opens merge-o-matic [03:24] toma: yay :) [03:25] hey, if i revoke my old key, and create a new key, and add it to LP, what happens with regarding uploading packages? === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.97.181] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=3TWPEa1q@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] they get automatically deleted? probably nothing [03:28] seaLne: i dont want to lose my upload rights :P [03:28] probably worth speaking to some people about what they think [03:30] yeah, asking in LP now [03:41] hi all === toma closes merge-o-matic [03:42] whom should I bug if my @ubuntu.com/@kubuntu.org address is not valid again? postmaster@ubuntu.com does not seem to respond... [03:44] Lure: canonical-sysadmin [03:45] Riddell: which is (or where to get him)? [03:52] Lure: see launchpad people [03:52] Riddell: so on #launchpad (never had any contact with Lunchpad folks) [03:52] you can ping them on irc usually, else e-mail [03:52] Lure: yeah. they're not that evil [03:55] Hobbsee: ;-) [03:56] Lure: i've yet to be overly blasted by anyone tonight [03:59] Lure: on /msg === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-110-236.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] Riddell: sure [04:16] ladies and gentlement, announcing... [04:17] HWDB client: KDE! http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb [04:17] and you'll be wanting http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-common_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb too [04:17] ** testers needed ^^ [04:17] ooh fun [04:17] does it kill much? [04:17] Riddell: i've done kopete 0.12.2, btw [04:18] doesn't kill anything [04:18] Hobbsee: is 0.12.2 released? [04:18] Riddell: yep [04:19] Hobbsee: got packages for testing? [04:19] Riddell: i386, yeah [04:19] Riddell: hwdb-client-common depends on python2.4-gnome2 ??? [04:19] Riddell: apachelogger did a diff, but i dont know *where* he got the upstream tarball from. [04:19] Riddell: buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete [04:21] Lure: eek, I'll fix that [04:21] Riddell: also [04:21] hwdb-client-common depends on python-glade2; however: [04:21] hwdb-client-common depends on fping; however: [04:21] not sure what fping is... [04:22] install it :) [04:23] Hobbsee: is this kopete an edgy only built? [04:23] fritsch: currently, yes [04:23] sources are there [04:23] Hobbsee: :-) so i recompile [04:23] Riddell: fping is fine, but gnome2 and glade bring all the gnome uglyness ;-) [04:24] Hobbsee: but is it worth updating? [04:25] fritsch: dunno. i've yet to actually see a changelog [04:26] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5nnUbc10.html [04:26] just before the uploading screen [04:27] toma: what permissions do you have on /var/log/dmesg ? [04:27] Lure: fixed version uploaded [04:27] Riddell: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 18175 Aug 16 11:57 /var/log/dmesg [04:28] Riddell: better - thanks [04:28] toma: curious [04:28] Riddell: 2 problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kMggOj43.html [04:28] toma: it's world readable for me [04:29] when wanting to see my personal results on the web [04:31] http://rafb.net/paste/results/cDWX2q33.html for copy to clipboard, probably same problem. [04:34] Riddell: show online record fails: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20765 [04:35] Riddell: copy to clipboard either: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20766 [04:35] Riddell: otherwise ok [04:35] Lure: similar to my pasts [04:35] (not sure what it does) [04:35] Lure: you can quit it and restart it [04:35] Lure: then you get back to the last page [04:35] toma: did not check your logs before posting... [04:36] Lure: and the buttons will work [04:36] toma: true === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.147.63] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Lure, toma: fixed packages uploaded; rm ~/.hwdb before running [04:47] yay for new gpg keys. === Hobbsee wonders what else she's forgotten to do [04:48] Hobbsee: test hwdb! [04:48] Riddell: what does it do? [04:49] gives us your secret data so we can spy on you [04:49] Riddell: sure? still see this problem... [04:49] Riddell: oh yay. [04:49] Riddell: you can tell i go to MQ uni. yay. === Hobbsee looks for something to upload. [04:51] Lure: what do you have in ~/.hwdb? [04:51] Riddell: 4afce7d0e11f935217ab6fa743e6018d [04:52] Riddell: but it works when restarted (as toma said) === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wishes people wouldnt get shirty when they send things to an old email account of hers, and complain that she doestn read it. [04:54] yes...that's cos it doesnt exist anymore???? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] ack. === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:58] Hobbsee: recompiling kopete on dapper did not work, one error nearly at the end dh_install -pkopete [04:58] fritsch: what was the error? [04:58] Hobbsee: ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so <- does not exist [04:58] i *fixed* that. [04:58] oh shit [04:59] i fixed that externally, but not locally [04:59] and then uploaded the local bits second. [04:59] Hobbsee: :-) kopete_3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- this patch i have taken [04:59] fritsch: yeah, yeah. [04:59] give me a sec to think on that. [05:00] Hobbsee: [05:00] +debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so [05:00] +debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.la [05:01] sorry, just remove these lines, from your patch? [05:01] fritsch: yeah, i know waht the problem is === Hobbsee will just fix the patch. [05:01] Hobbsee: cool, thx [05:04] Lure, toma: ok, fix reallu uploaded now [05:06] anyone got something simple for me to eyeball and upload? [05:07] Hobbsee: you could remove the konqueror middle-click-scoll and close-on-tab-icons options from k-d-s [05:07] i dont want something that takes forever to rebuild. === Hobbsee wonders where her happy mood went. [05:10] kopete 0.12.2 seems to work [05:10] yay [05:11] although that .deb is larger than the source package [05:12] which is kinda scary [05:12] i'm not quite sure why [05:12] Riddell: if you're looking to build it from source, wait about 30 seconds. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] I'm not [05:14] right, now its' done [05:14] fritsch: fixed [05:14] I'm waiting for a changelog before that [05:14] but one does not seem to exist [05:14] Riddell: yeah. apachelogger should have one. [05:14] he found one for 0.12.1 somehow [05:14] oh good - i couldnt find it either [05:15] Hobbsee: thx [05:16] Hobbsee: building (can take a very long time ...) [05:17] fritsch: no kidding. === Hobbsee has compiled that enough times... [05:17] Hobbsee: hehe, i think your compile was also faster ... [05:18] true that. imbrandon has a nice build machine. [05:18] fritsch: i didnt rebuild then, well...i didnt rebuild the binaries, anyway [05:18] the binaries work, i believe [05:18] they work here [05:18] oh gosh, i dont remember if they do or not anymore... [05:18] yes, they have to. [05:19] because i changed it externally, then rebuilt. so it didnt ftbfs [05:19] yes. all is okay. === Hobbsee should sleep. [05:23] Hobbsee: coffee? === kane_ [n=kane@202.83.34.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] grr. everything seems to requre the rotten automake, which doesnt seem to want to behave tonight. [05:23] fritsch: i dont drink it. [05:23] @time sydney [05:23] Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 17 2006, 01:23:29 [05:23] Hobbsee: marte? <- this drink the local hackers from the ccc here === Hobbsee does need to sleep [05:24] apparently there's a comp quiz on tomorrow :( [05:24] Hobbsee: it`s written mate, sorry [05:24] on classes, so it cant be too evil === Hobbsee may or may not remember much of classes, until she's faced with the rpoblem [05:25] and i'll have to charge my laptop overnight again. grrr. [05:25] bedtime. night all [05:25] Hobbsee: nite === Hobbsee hopes it doesnt catch fire. [05:25] allee: :) what's the deal w.r.t amarok and alioth? [05:25] Hobbsee: Dell Laptop? My battery will be exchanged ;) [05:26] allee: no, this is a toshiba. but it's prone to overheating. [05:26] Hobbsee: ah, alioth right, well, I've to write something together [05:26] ok [05:27] allee: i've already got a stack of changes to go into ubuntu's amarok - not sure how much should go into debian's too. [05:27] Hobbsee: the Debian unstable packages had a patch, which stopped listing artists, which are only on samplers [05:28] Hobbsee: Okay, I feel guilty. I change TODO for tonight and write an intro [05:28] allee: dont feel guilty. [05:28] Hobbsee: This was cool, so you did not have "all" of them extra listed === Hobbsee still has a whole lot to deal with from the meeting, which she hasnt touched yet. [05:28] fritsch: oh nice === allee feels a bit less guilty [05:28] allee: good man :) [05:28] uh oh, i'm about to be yelled at [05:29] yay...yelling.... [05:29] Hobbsee: sleep! then you don't hear it ;) [05:30] fritsch: if you have the patch handy, then either filing a bug, or emailing it to me at hobbseeATkubuntu.org would be helpful [05:30] in fact, do that anyway, to rmeind me [05:30] *remind [05:30] allee: hmmm.....true that. [05:30] maybe [05:30] Hobbsee: I will look for it [05:31] Hobbsee: oh, does user@ubuntu.com imply a @kubunto.org address? [05:32] allee: not necessarily [05:32] k [05:32] im' not sure what happens with that - kubuntu members get @kubuntu addresses, and vice versa. i'm not sureif they get both [05:32] allee: i've got both @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org [05:32] feel free to use either === allee tries kubuntu email ... [05:33] iirc i sign with @ubuntu.com but use @kubuntu.org normally [05:33] both are listed on the same key, so it makes no difference [05:34] night all === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] nite [05:34] works. cool I have fix my gpg key ;) [05:35] toma: hi [05:35] toma: did that fix your hwdb problem? [05:35] hey allee [05:35] Riddell: sorry, my cat lay down, so i could not really move [05:35] +on me [05:35] that happens [05:35] let me check [05:38] Riddell: same urls? [05:38] yes [05:39] ok, no difference in that case [05:39] really? [05:39] really [05:39] with latest versions? I made two fixes [05:39] Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TIzgmZ93.html [05:41] Riddell: same here [05:41] where in code (line) did you fix? [05:42] Lure: last line of dataSent() method [05:42] should be "self.hwdb_lock = md5sum" [05:43] not here [05:44] ok, rebuilt, try wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb [05:45] this one looks ok (from source), old one did not - trying... [05:46] Riddell: works ok [05:47] Riddell: here too! [05:47] rocking, thanks people [05:47] i dont like the moving when you choose an option [05:47] when the arrows are shown [05:47] on the Send button? [05:48] oh, the yes/no buttons? [05:48] yes, that is a bit strange - and font size before sending in huge... [05:48] no, on the different pages [05:48] Lure: indeed [05:48] and I hope we get kubuntu logo and some purple... ;-) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] and i would like to see what i'm sending to someone, but that is maybe personal ;-) [05:48] Riddell: will this get menu in Utilities? [05:49] hmm, that's broken, there should always be an arrow by the radios [05:49] Lure: it's in System [05:49] Riddell: i'm not seeing them for the first two options [05:49] which package is that? [05:50] Riddell: not here... [05:50] Riddell: no .desktop file in .deb so I doubt it... [05:51] confirmed, it is not in system === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-113.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] Hobbsee: kopete successfully compiled on dapper [05:57] .desktop file added to http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb [06:01] Riddell: are you sure? not in the one I downloaded with wget... [06:01] ;-) [06:01] works for me [06:02] Riddell: no .desktop in file... [06:06] wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb; lesspipe hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb | grep desktop [06:06] -rw-r--r-- root/root 1701 2006-08-16 14:01 ./usr/share/applications/kde/hwdb-kde.desktop === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-110-236.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:15] Hello === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] Riddell: it shows in system now, even translated. [06:20] super :) [06:20] well no response from ogra, I think I'll just upload it [06:41] nobody told me tomalbers@kubuntu.org simply works === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] toma: it works for all kubuntu-members [07:14] seaLne: ok, i'll use that to sign from now [07:14] @ubuntu.com aswell === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] seaLne: any more hidden features? (like a bog build cluster or something) [07:34] big [07:47] not yet === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:01] hi apachelogger, do you have the kopete changelog? [08:02] ah, now I rember why I joined #kopete before ^^ [08:02] Riddell: no [08:02] hmm [08:02] kinday hard to get an upstream version freeze without one === apachelogger is asking [08:03] I think we need to wait for mattr [08:04] yeah [08:04] woot i'm now on qa team :) [08:04] yay [08:09] <_Sime> yuriy: Hi [08:13] hm [08:13] now my notebook suffers from really strange bugs === toma is now known as imnottoma [08:14] battery status only gets updated after it has been hibernated once === imnottoma is now known as toma [08:18] _Sime: hi [08:18] <_Sime> yuriy: how is wineconfig going? [08:19] <_Sime> yuriy: what is working, what is left to do? [08:19] <_Sime> yuriy: (SoC is almost over, y/n?) [08:20] yep it is [08:20] the only outstanding issue is really the audio [08:20] right now it just offers the whole list of drivers and no way to test [08:21] i didn't realize just how bad my C is until i tried to make a patch for winebrowser.. that took a while [08:21] so the sound test isn't going to be done by the 21st [08:21] i'm working on appearance settings [08:21] that'll get done [08:22] i'll make a couple default color schemes that will try to match plastik and such [08:23] + i've forwarded whatever widget styles i found to david (the other project) [08:23] <_Sime> k [08:24] <_Sime> yuriy: when do you have to go back to school? do you think you will be doing much work on it after the 21st? [08:25] YoKoZar started working on improving the .desktop file situation recently, so menus will be improving === _Sime is running wineconfig right now. === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:26] _Sime: i'm moving back to school on the 23rd, but it doesn't start until the 29th, except for some training thing for work [08:26] <_Sime> I haven't looked at it for a while. It looks like you've done a lot. ;-) [08:26] _Sime: so other than the move-in day, i'll have next week pretty much free [08:27] _Sime: the only thing that should be not working on there right now is the color schemes box - that does nothing [08:28] + the font size sets the right setting, but doesn't seem to have any effect (i've tried it with winecfg) [08:29] <_Sime> yuriy: so the audio tab works, but you just can't (as user) test what you've selected. Is that right? [08:30] _Sime: also the default browser setting doesn't quite work correctly, needs a patch for winebrowser that i submitted but hasn't been accepted yet [08:32] _Sime: I don't really know what to do with the general tab right now. There aren't really any other settings that I can think of that belong on there, but I can't think of a better place to put the version either [08:35] <_Sime> yuriy: you could seek it onto the Applications tab. [08:35] <_Sime> yuriy: since in the applications tab it talks about the default/global version setting. [08:36] hey, riddell, hwdb-kde is nice, but sound doesn't play, and it feels slow. resizing, typing... if Qt4 is supposed to be fast, what is this? :D btw, i don't have nvidia driver running atm, which slows certain stuff, that might be it... or is it just slow? [08:36] _Sime: heh that's something that kind of bothered me about winecfg [08:36] _Sime: though the main thing i didn't like about it there is that it implies that you're just selecting an application to set the version for, but it actually applies to the whole dialog [08:37] <_Sime> yuriy: call it the Default for all applications or something. [08:40] _Sime: a couple other reasons i don't want it there: [08:40] my appications tab doesn't appear in the application specific dialog [08:41] superstoned: shouldn't be slow, although resizing isn't great due to multiple layers being drawn [08:41] and if it did, again it would just be the one setting there just like the current "general" tab [08:42] riddell: it feels like it lags when typing. bit like krita when painting ;-) [08:42] and because I think the windows version should be one of the first visible setting for the user, but the specific applications thing shouldn't [08:42] especially considering david is planning to make a context menu for .exe's that you can get to the application specific settings from [08:43] riddell: but i can't test it again, it gives me the ID, and only the ID ;-) [08:43] superstoned: typing seems fine to me, no lag and definately better than konqueror [08:44] superstoned: rm ~/.hwdb [08:44] i'll add a re-run button at some point [08:44] should this be hardware accellerated (GL, RENDER) on good drivers, btw? if not, well, it looks nice, but i already have irritations concerning drawing speed on a 2.8 ghz AMD... [08:44] ok. guess it's a coincidence, with the nv driver which is slow anyway. sucks to depend on NVidia for drivers :( [08:50] there shouldn't be anything accelarated about it [08:51] superstoned: is it just that program? i get slight occasional lag just about everywhere with nv :( === kane__ [n=kane@202.83.34.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] <_Sime> yuriy: :-/ combine the Default Version and the libraries tab perhaps... [09:12] yuriy: well, yes, everywhere a bit, but not that bad. if i type here (konversation) my cpu doesn't go up at all, while with the hwdb tool, it goes to 100% while i type. [09:28] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you think about the audiocd:/ IO-slave. It is used much by normal users? [09:32] _Sime: yes I think so [09:33] at least I use it :) [09:33] <_Sime> Riddell: I mean for ripping CDs? [09:34] i've used it in the past but i don't know what functionality it provides over media:/hdc or system:/media/hdc other than not involving the name of your cd drive [09:35] or are those audiocd:/ in the background anyways when it's an audio cd? [09:38] _Sime: so do I [09:39] yuriy: they are [09:45] Riddell: in that case I use it and i'm sure plenty of people do [10:16] _Sime: i think i have to finally learn to use KConfig [10:16] _Sime: need a good way to store color schemes [10:17] <_Sime> yuriy: you mean a custom colour scheme that someone has configured in wineconfig? [10:18] _Sime: yes, or a default one that I make (which i intend to do in wineconfig myself anyway) [10:20] _Sime: i'd like to put them in a config file (wineconfigrc) which so far i haven't had a real need to use. i could also make registry keys to store them (windows has them, but they are binary andd currently not used by wine). or i could make a sepearate .reg file forr each scheme which would make them easier to apply but annoying to store [10:21] <_Sime> yuriy: soooo kconfig it is! [10:21] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44331 [10:21] enjoy ;) [10:23] _Sime: i know python also has a module to store and read data structures as text, it would make it a lot easier to store and read if i could use that. but that would be incompatible with the way KDE stores configuration right? [10:25] nixternal: now only to get some nice printable sticker paper! [10:25] <_Sime> yuriy: true. By using kconfig you won't have to worry about _where_ the info gets stored in the user's $HOME or whatever. [10:25] hehe === OdyX [n=Didier@89.39.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime wonders how much it would cost to have that printed as a roll of stickers... [10:27] im definitely going to find out..i did it because "System76" was providing them free to residents int he US, so i thought everyone should be able to get something similar, so i created them [10:28] you can use the avery labels, as they work great, they are 2x4...or if you had a dymo printer or whatever they are called, you can get the 2x3 labels on a roll of 500 [10:33] _Sime: yep i know. any way to combine the two? :D [10:33] <_Sime> yuriy: kconfig is pretty easy to use [10:34] heh did some searching on the stickers. looks like about $1.70 per custom sticker in bulk quantities [10:34] does System76 have kubuntu or just ubuntu ones? === yuriy shudders at the 3 dozen writeEntry methods for kconfigbase [10:39] just ubuntu ones [10:46] adept notifier icon in edgy is messed up here...same with anyone else? [10:56] <_Sime> yuriy: just pass in what you want to write to writeEntry() and PyKDE will work out what you mean. === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:03] _Sime: yeah i know, just saying the documentation is daunting [11:04] _Sime: btw, my desktop is still showing a battery icon that's 50% charged and has 10 minutes of battery life left ; ) [11:11] the KConfig entry looks so much like the wine/windows registry entry it's scary === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:21] imbrandon: why do i have to look at mr. potato head on my desktop? [11:22] becouse you complained for so long that i had a socer ball, now deal ;) [11:23] http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/mrpotato.jpg [11:23] just for you [11:23] yuriy: http://dev.bit-freaks.net/apachelogger/poweredbykubuntu/images.html ;-) [11:24] apachelogger: you printed some already? [11:24] im doing it now as well ;) [11:24] :D === apachelogger didn't stick it yet [11:24] you shrunk them down and made case badges? [11:24] oh dude you rock [11:25] last time I did stick something geeky I lost mind and went insane [11:25] Kay that was ;-) [11:25] apachelogger: the nice primitive konqueror generated picture gallery? :P === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] hehe, nebuchadnezzar isn't yet completely installed :P [11:26] doesn't even have kipi [11:44] Riddell: why don't we use knet for internet connection setup? ... people told me setting up DSL with a dialup modem is hell, though knet would support a GUI way for that [11:58] apachelogger: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/poweredby/PoweredByKubuntu/ [11:58] im gonna go buy some of that glossy paper in a bit ;) [11:59] ^^ [12:00] Riddell: you kubuntu hwdb is only working on edgy? because of the pyqt qt4 dependencies?