[12:13] <toma> imbrandon: the text at the top "these are unofficial..." should be the default font for you.
[12:13] <imbrandon> yup
[12:14] <toma> judging from the screenie, irc is a lot bigger, so i was confused
[12:14] <goldenear> I have a pb with automake: I try to compile an app from the kde svn and I then want to do: make -f admin/Makefile.common
[12:15] <goldenear> but it doesn't work
[12:15] <toma> does the file exists?
[12:15] <goldenear> I have a warning about alocale and then error: m4_defn: undefined macro: _m4_divert_diversion
[12:15] <goldenear> sure
[12:16] <goldenear> I google to find the problem but I did not find anything
[12:16] <toma> autoconf 2.52 ?
[12:16] <goldenear> 2.59
[12:17] <toma> you seem to have a mismatch between autoconf and automake
[12:17] <toma> can you see if either one is upgradable?
[12:17] <goldenear> no upgrade available
[12:18] <goldenear> both are the standard version installed with dapper...
[12:18] <goldenear> I can't understand
[12:19] <toma> is there an older version installed?
[12:19] <toma> as well
[12:19] <goldenear> nop
[12:20] <goldenear> should I install an older version too (like the 1.4) ?
[12:20] <goldenear> or a newer ( 1.9) version of automake ?
[12:21] <toma> no
[12:22] <toma> can you move aclocal.m4 to a temp place on your hd and try again?
[12:24] <goldenear> I install 1.9 (and remove 1.8) and I have the same error...
[12:26] <goldenear> toma: you mean all the aclocale dir ?
[12:26] <toma> no
[12:26] <toma> in the top source dir is here a file called aclocal.m4 ?
[12:28] <goldenear> no, this file is created during the procedure
[12:28] <goldenear> the problem is from: /usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB
[12:28] <toma> that is something else ;-)
[12:43] <toma> imbrandon: site fixed, missing </small> after each block, thnxs
[12:43] <imbrandon> np, dinner time for me, bbiab
[12:44] <imbrandon> Riddell: i cc'd you on a reply mail from pitti to the ubuntu-devel list , when you have time to look it over , no hurries
[01:40] <bddebian> Hello
[03:00] <Hobbsee> nice!  apachelogger did kopete 0.12.2!
[04:26] <Hobbsee> suspicious.  md5sums and sizes of the .orig.tar.gz are different, between his version and the version off the kopete.kde.org site.  boht were changed from .bz2 to .gz
[05:41] <imbrandon> hahahaha 
[05:41] <imbrandon> < shad0w1e> hmm sleepydog, you said that reiserfs would only be faster in some "extreme" situations
[05:41] <imbrandon> < shad0w1e> would you consider KDE booting up to be an extreme situation?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> lol!
[06:08] <Hobbsee> to be fair, kde starts up much better with an empty session
[06:16] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2006-08-10
[06:16] <nixternal> meeting minutes are complete, please do a look over and see if they are ok
[06:16] <nixternal> thanks
[06:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: cool, thanks
[06:19] <nixternal> np, its ok?
[06:19] <nixternal> i know it is probably the most professional ones to date ;)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> :) indeed
[06:21] <nixternal> i will tell lulu bell everyone appreciated it ;)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh yay, kopete finished building.
[06:23] <nixternal> woot
[06:24] <nixternal> what is the trick to get my monitors from shutting off every 5 to 10 minutes?
[06:25] <nixternal> ever since i up'd to 3.5.4, system settings -> display doesn't fix it anymore
[06:26] <Hobbsee> dunno
[06:26] <Hobbsee> i dont have that problem
[06:26] <nixternal> it is a power feature tucked away somewhere
[06:26] <Hobbsee> yay, forgot to copy to the right place, therefore ssh failed.
[06:26] <nixternal> it happens on all 4 of my machines though
[06:26] <nixternal> haha
[06:26] <Hobbsee> well, scp
[06:27] <Hobbsee> ssh is still up :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> right
[06:37] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required
[06:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[06:42] <imbrandon> pong
[06:42] <imbrandon> well give me a sec, grabin a soda
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ok
[06:45] <imbrandon> kk back
[06:45] <imbrandon> sup ?
[06:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> [14:37]  <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ - testers required
[06:46] <imbrandon> ahh okie
[06:47] <Hobbsee> oh darn it, one of the bits in the control file didnt format properly
[06:47] <imbrandon> so wait ?
[06:48] <Hobbsee> no, so go for it
[06:49] <Hobbsee> the binaries will be fine
[06:49] <imbrandon> k
[06:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looks like i forgot to hit enter.  i'm just updating the debdiff/.dsc/.diff.gz now
[06:49] <Hobbsee> yep, done
[06:51] <imbrandon> heh you'll get to see soon enough if you write up the uvf for it
[06:53] <Hobbsee> i need the changelog to write the UVF
[06:53] <imbrandon> umm yup
[06:53] <imbrandon> thats the main part ;)
[06:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[06:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kopete's in main
[06:55] <Hobbsee> i think i'ts just an email to mdz/kamion
[06:56] <imbrandon> same process , thats what Riddell pointed me too for ktorrent and amarok , then you email mdz and point him to the bug
[06:56] <Hobbsee> right
[06:57] <imbrandon> ( mostly so its documented on LP and not just your email thats not arcived like a ML )
[06:57] <imbrandon> archived*
[06:57] <Hobbsee> point,
[07:04] <seaLne> just seeing that made me wonder whether the freenode server patch would be worthwile for dapper-updates?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i'd prefer to backport the entire darn thing.  i dobut it's worth it
[07:05] <Hobbsee> s/backports/updates/
[07:05] <seaLne> fair enough
[07:05] <Hobbsee> and mdz checks those *very* carefully
[07:06] <seaLne> do you ever use kopete for irc?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> once in a blue moon
[07:06] <Hobbsee> not to freenode
[07:07] <Hobbsee> hi poningru 
[07:07] <Hobbsee> seaLne: too many channels i'm on, on freenode, and no aliases that i know of
[07:08] <seaLne> presumably ok for one
[07:08] <seaLne_> yeah does look a lot unlike xchat or something
[07:09] <Hobbsee> looks like trillian :P
[07:09] <seaLne_> never used that
[07:10] <poningru> :)
[07:10] <poningru> hi
[07:10] <seaLne> certainly fine for telling users to get to #kubuntu with
[07:10] <Hobbsee> true
[07:14] <seaLne> bit complicated 
[07:23] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kopete is safe to try out?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure
[07:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's yet to blow up here
[07:23] <Hobbsee> but i dont know what the upstream changelog is though
[07:23] <nixternal> im not gonna get some weird pointy stick flashing across my screen ;)
[07:24] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:24] <Hobbsee> now that would be fun.
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i have people eyeballing my stuff to main, remember?
[07:24] <nixternal> ya, doesn't mean you can't hide a stick in there
[07:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:24] <nixternal> arg
[07:24] <nixternal> is that for edgy?
[07:24] <nixternal> lol
[07:24] <nixternal> im a moron
[07:24] <Hobbsee> just wait till i get -core-dev...
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes
[07:24] <nixternal> lol
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i386, too
[07:24] <nixternal> ok, let me switch machines
[10:41] <Pupeno> Hello.
[10:41] <Pupeno> [OT]  Is there any easy way, in PyKDE, to run kapp.exec_loop() in a separate thread so my application can continue to do other things ?
[10:43] <Riddell> I guess you could run threads in the normal python way, but generally if you're running a mainloop that's what you want to be concentrating on
[10:44] <Pupeno> I have another mainloop, that's the problem.
[10:45] <Pupeno> Riddell: anyway, I haven't seen the 'normal way' to run a Python thread... except by creating a class. Do I have to create a class ?
[10:46] <Riddell> no idea, never done it
[11:04] <freeflying> Riddell: I've sent you the debdiff of scim-chewing and scim-pinyin
[11:08] <Riddell> freeflying: got that, will look at it today thanks
[11:08] <freeflying> Riddell: would you mind have a look on scim-qtimm( doko's patch)
[11:14] <Riddell> freeflying: sure
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[12:10] <toma> morning
[02:22] <imbrandon> moins all
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hi all!
[02:34] <toma> morning imbrandon, Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[02:34] <imbrandon> heya toma
[02:34] <Hobbsee> which bit of the world do i take over first?
[02:34] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:34] <toma> food market, /me is hungry
[02:35] <Hobbsee> *around
[02:35] <imbrandon> pebbles*
[02:36] <toma> too
[02:36] <imbrandon> lol
[02:37] <Hobbsee> what'd i miss?
[02:37] <imbrandon> [07:35]  * Hobbsee continues to bounce arond
[02:37] <imbrandon> [07:35]  <Hobbsee> *around
[02:37] <imbrandon> [07:35]  * imbrandon is eating a bowl of fruity prbbles
[02:37] <imbrandon> [07:35]  <imbrandon> pebbles*
[02:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, got that much
[02:37] <imbrandon> [07:36]  * toma should write new flash software for the bread machine, this is taking to long
[02:38] <imbrandon> [07:36]  <toma> too
[02:38] <Hobbsee> [22:36]  <Hobbsee> interesting
[02:38] <Hobbsee> [22:36]  <Hobbsee> do they taste rock-like?
[02:38] <imbrandon> [07:36]  <imbrandon> lol
[02:38] <imbrandon> not much lol
[02:38] <imbrandon> hahah no , you dont have them in AU ?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> we might...
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i likely just dont eat them
[02:39] <imbrandon> wikipedia " Fruity Pebbles is a breakfast cereal introduced by Post Cereals in 1971 and featuring characters from the animated series The Flintstones. It contains fruit-flavoured crispy rice cereal bits. A similarly-themed cereal is Cocoa Pebbles. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruity_Pebbles 
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[02:39] <Hobbsee> nope, we dont have them
[02:40] <imbrandon> heh, i'm gonna start caling you tigger ( please tell me you know tigger of whinnie the poo )
[02:40] <imbrandon> calling*
[02:40] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:41] <imbrandon> lol
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, i do
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell!
[02:46] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[02:46] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[02:47] <Hobbsee> no, i didnt find a secret stash of red cordial at work or something....
[02:47] <imbrandon> red cordial ?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: doesnt red cordial usually make people go hyper?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ohhhhh....you guys dont have red cordial, that's right.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: flavoured water.  clear, not fizzy
[02:48] <imbrandon> ahh
[02:48] <imbrandon> kool aid
[02:48] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:49] <mornfall> look up kool-aid in jargon
[02:50] <imbrandon> Kool-Aid is an artificially flavored soft drink concentrate made by Kraft Foods. Kool-Aid is sold as a powder to be mixed with water and a sweetener (sugar or an artificial sweetener). Some versions include the sweetener with the flavor concentrate, only requiring the addition of water.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:51] <mornfall> jargon :p
[02:51] <mornfall> not dictionary
[02:51] <mornfall>      The term originates in the suicide of 914 followers of Jim Jones's
[02:51] <mornfall>      People's Temple cult in Guyana in 1978. What they actually drank was
[02:51] <mornfall>      cyanide-laced Flavor-Aid, a cheap knockoff, rather than Kool-Aid
[02:51] <mornfall>      itself. There is a FAQ on this topic.
[02:52] <imbrandon> heh crazy /me dident know that
[02:52] <mornfall> to drink kool-aid -> to believe, loosely
[02:52] <imbrandon> to me its a drink for small kids heheh
[02:53] <mornfall> yeah... it has nasty connotations for many, though
[02:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you actually get your key signed, btw?
[02:54] <imbrandon> next week
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm surprised they acked you for MOTU - it's listed as a requirement that you have a signed key
[02:55] <imbrandon> anyhow bbiab shower time
[02:56] <Hobbsee> really?
[02:57] <seaLne> that sounds bad
[02:58] <Hobbsee> seaLne: unsigned keys?  not really.  it doesnt really matter that much who the person is behind this keyboard, as long as i'm in control of the key, and i dont abuse it
[02:58] <Hobbsee> the fact that i have a name to go with the face, as proof doesnt mean that much per se.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ie, i'm more related to the work i do, rather than my name.  my name rarely even comes up
[02:58] <Hobbsee> if that makes sense
[02:58] <seaLne> it depends, if you new that imbrandon was actually bill gates you might be a bit warey
[02:59] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:00] <seaLne> it also means that someone has met the person
[03:00] <Hobbsee> also true
[03:00] <Hobbsee> like, it has it's good points, but it's not *that* big a deal, in my view
[03:02] <seaLne> depends if you would ever want to work in the computing field :)
[03:02] <seaLne> i'm not sure prospectve employers finding that story via google would be impressed :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> in fact, the only reason i got my .gnupg/ back was that it was on imbrandon's (and stevenk's) machines
[03:04] <seaLne> admiting that would get your key revoked in debian afaik
[03:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: right, i wont admit it too loudly then
[03:06] <Hobbsee> (but how am i supposed to upload signed stuff from other machines then?)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it's still protected by passphrase
[03:08] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you're admitting it in a logged channel though
[03:08] <ajmitch> seriously..
[03:08] <Hobbsee> point.
[03:08] <ajmitch> for signed stuff on other machines - see debrsign
[03:08] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, i considered revoking when i'd lost my local copy.  but then i'd be working with an unsigned key again.
[03:09] <ajmitch> considering that you know where other developers live, it wouldn't be a challenge
[03:10] <Hobbsee> true, it wouldnt be as hard as the first time.
[03:10] <seaLne> the stalking paid ff then?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hmmm?
[03:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: don't expect me to fly over & sign it though
[03:10] <seaLne> joking about you knowing where they live
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: of course, yeah
[03:12] <Hobbsee> surely that's just as evil.  if that got stolen...
[03:12] <ajmitch> it's in my room
[03:13] <ajmitch> the only problem is that the plastic attaching it to my keyring broke recently
[03:13] <imbrandon> thus why you keep and encrypted backup on removeable media ;)
[03:13] <ajmitch> & the key is on an encrypted partition 
[03:13] <imbrandon> yup
[03:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that is the removeable media :)
[03:14] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea i meant more for Hobbsee benifet
[03:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee also should never have keys on any computers but her own
[03:15] <imbrandon> probably true
[03:15] <imbrandon> i have a copy on 3 systems but i 100% control all 3
[03:18] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch 
[03:18] <imbrandon> gnight
[03:24] <Hobbsee> toma: yay :)
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hey, if i revoke my old key, and create a new key, and add it to LP, what happens with regarding uploading packages?
[03:27] <seaLne> they get automatically deleted? probably nothing
[03:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i dont want to lose my upload rights :P
[03:28] <seaLne> probably worth speaking to some people about what they think
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, asking in LP now
[03:41] <Lure> hi all
[03:42] <Lure> whom should I bug if my @ubuntu.com/@kubuntu.org address is not valid again? postmaster@ubuntu.com does not seem to respond...
[03:44] <Riddell> Lure: canonical-sysadmin
[03:45] <Lure> Riddell: which is (or where to get him)?
[03:52] <Riddell> Lure: see launchpad people
[03:52] <Lure> Riddell: so on #launchpad (never had any contact with Lunchpad folks)
[03:52] <Riddell> you can ping them on irc usually, else e-mail
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah.  they're not that evil
[03:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: ;-)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Lure: i've yet to be overly blasted by anyone tonight
[03:59] <Riddell> Lure: on /msg
[04:04] <Lure> Riddell: sure
[04:16] <Riddell> ladies and gentlement, announcing...
[04:17] <Riddell> HWDB client: KDE!  http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb
[04:17] <Riddell> and you'll be wanting http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-common_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb  too
[04:17] <Riddell> ** testers needed ^^
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[04:17] <Hobbsee> does it kill much?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've done kopete 0.12.2, btw
[04:18] <Riddell> doesn't kill anything
[04:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is 0.12.2 released?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[04:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got packages for testing?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i386, yeah
[04:19] <Lure> Riddell: hwdb-client-common depends on python2.4-gnome2 ???
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: apachelogger did a diff, but i dont know *where* he got the upstream tarball from.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete
[04:21] <Riddell> Lure: eek, I'll fix that
[04:21] <Lure> Riddell: also 
[04:21] <Lure> hwdb-client-common depends on python-glade2; however:
[04:21] <Lure> hwdb-client-common depends on fping; however:
[04:21] <Lure> not sure what fping is...
[04:22] <Riddell> install it :)
[04:23] <fritsch> Hobbsee: is this kopete an edgy only built?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> fritsch: currently, yes
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sources are there
[04:23] <fritsch> Hobbsee:  :-) so i recompile
[04:23] <Lure> Riddell: fping is fine, but gnome2 and glade bring all the gnome uglyness ;-)
[04:24] <fritsch> Hobbsee: but is it worth updating?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> fritsch: dunno.  i've yet to actually see a changelog
[04:26] <toma> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5nnUbc10.html
[04:26] <toma> just before the uploading screen
[04:27] <Riddell> toma: what permissions do you have on /var/log/dmesg ?
[04:27] <Riddell> Lure: fixed version uploaded
[04:27] <toma> Riddell: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 18175 Aug 16 11:57 /var/log/dmesg
[04:28] <Lure> Riddell: better - thanks
[04:28] <Riddell> toma: curious
[04:28] <toma> Riddell: 2 problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kMggOj43.html
[04:28] <Riddell> toma: it's world readable for me
[04:29] <toma> when wanting to see my personal results on the web
[04:31] <toma> http://rafb.net/paste/results/cDWX2q33.html for copy to clipboard, probably same problem.
[04:34] <Lure> Riddell: show online record fails: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20765
[04:35] <Lure> Riddell: copy to clipboard either: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20766
[04:35] <Lure> Riddell: otherwise ok
[04:35] <toma> Lure: similar to my pasts
[04:35] <Lure> (not sure what it does)
[04:35] <toma> Lure: you can quit it and restart it
[04:35] <toma> Lure: then you get back to the last page
[04:35] <Lure> toma: did not check your logs before posting...
[04:36] <toma> Lure: and the buttons will work
[04:36] <Lure> toma: true
[04:45] <Riddell> Lure, toma: fixed packages uploaded; rm ~/.hwdb before running
[04:47] <Hobbsee> yay for new gpg keys.
[04:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: test hwdb!
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what does it do?
[04:49] <Riddell> gives us your secret data so we can spy on you
[04:49] <Lure> Riddell: sure? still see this problem... 
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yay.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you can tell i go to MQ uni.  yay.
[04:51] <Riddell> Lure: what do you have in ~/.hwdb?
[04:51] <Lure> Riddell: 4afce7d0e11f935217ab6fa743e6018d
[04:52] <Lure> Riddell: but it works when restarted (as toma said)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> yes...that's cos it doesnt exist anymore????
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ack.
[04:58] <fritsch> Hobbsee: recompiling kopete on dapper did not work, one error nearly at the end dh_install -pkopete
[04:58] <Hobbsee> fritsch: what was the error?
[04:58] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so <- does not exist
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i *fixed* that.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh shit
[04:59] <Hobbsee> i fixed that externally, but not locally
[04:59] <Hobbsee> and then uploaded the local bits second.
[04:59] <fritsch> Hobbsee: :-) kopete_3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz <- this patch i have taken
[04:59] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah, yeah.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> give me a sec to think on that.
[05:00] <fritsch> Hobbsee: 
[05:00] <fritsch> +debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.so
[05:00] <fritsch> +debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/libkopetewidgets.la
[05:01] <fritsch> sorry, just remove these lines, from your patch?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah, i know waht the problem is
[05:01] <fritsch> Hobbsee: cool, thx
[05:04] <Riddell> Lure, toma: ok, fix reallu uploaded now
[05:06] <Hobbsee> anyone got something simple for me to eyeball and upload?
[05:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you could remove the konqueror middle-click-scoll and close-on-tab-icons options from k-d-s
[05:07] <Hobbsee> i dont want something that takes forever to rebuild.
[05:10] <Riddell> kopete 0.12.2 seems to work
[05:10] <Hobbsee> yay
[05:11] <Riddell> although that .deb is larger than the source package
[05:12] <Hobbsee> which is kinda scary
[05:12] <Hobbsee> i'm not quite sure why
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if you're looking to build it from source, wait about 30 seconds.
[05:14] <Riddell> I'm not
[05:14] <Hobbsee> right, now its' done
[05:14] <Hobbsee> fritsch: fixed
[05:14] <Riddell> I'm waiting for a changelog before that
[05:14] <Riddell> but one does not seem to exist
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.  apachelogger should have one.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> he found one for 0.12.1 somehow
[05:14] <Hobbsee> oh good - i couldnt find it either
[05:15] <fritsch> Hobbsee: thx
[05:16] <fritsch> Hobbsee: building (can take a very long time ...)
[05:17] <Hobbsee> fritsch: no kidding.
[05:17] <fritsch> Hobbsee: hehe, i think your compile was also faster ...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> true that.  imbrandon has a nice build machine.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i didnt rebuild then, well...i didnt rebuild the binaries, anyway
[05:18] <Hobbsee> the binaries work, i believe
[05:18] <Hobbsee> they work here
[05:18] <Hobbsee> oh gosh, i dont remember if they do or not anymore...
[05:18] <Hobbsee> yes, they have to.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> because i changed it externally, then rebuilt.  so it didnt ftbfs
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yes.  all is okay.
[05:23] <fritsch> Hobbsee: coffee?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> grr.  everything seems to requre the rotten automake, which doesnt seem to want to behave tonight.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i dont drink it. 
[05:23] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 17 2006, 01:23:29
[05:23] <fritsch> Hobbsee: marte? <- this drink the local hackers from the ccc here
[05:24] <Hobbsee> apparently there's a comp quiz on tomorrow :(
[05:24] <fritsch> Hobbsee: it`s written mate, sorry
[05:24] <Hobbsee> on classes, so it cant be too evil
[05:25] <Hobbsee> and i'll have to charge my laptop overnight again.  grrr.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> bedtime.  night all
[05:25] <allee> Hobbsee: nite
[05:25] <Hobbsee> allee: :)  what's the deal w.r.t amarok and alioth?
[05:25] <allee> Hobbsee: Dell Laptop?  My battery will be exchanged ;)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> allee: no, this is a toshiba.  but it's prone to overheating.
[05:26] <allee> Hobbsee: ah, alioth right, well, I've to write something together
[05:26] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:27] <Hobbsee> allee: i've already got a stack of changes to go into ubuntu's amarok - not sure how much should go into debian's too.
[05:27] <fritsch> Hobbsee: the Debian unstable packages had a patch, which stopped listing artists, which are only on samplers
[05:28] <allee> Hobbsee: Okay, I feel guilty.  I change TODO for tonight and write an intro
[05:28] <Hobbsee> allee: dont feel guilty.
[05:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: This was cool, so you did not have "all" of them extra listed
[05:28] <Hobbsee> fritsch: oh nice
[05:28] <Hobbsee> allee: good man :)
[05:28] <Hobbsee> uh oh, i'm about to be yelled at
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yay...yelling....
[05:29] <allee> Hobbsee: sleep! then you don't hear it ;)
[05:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: if you have the patch handy, then either filing a bug, or emailing it to me at hobbseeATkubuntu.org would be helpful
[05:30] <Hobbsee> in fact, do that anyway, to rmeind me
[05:30] <Hobbsee> *remind
[05:30] <Hobbsee> allee: hmmm.....true that.
[05:30] <Hobbsee> maybe
[05:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I will look for it
[05:31] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, does user@ubuntu.com imply a <user>@kubunto.org address?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> allee: not necessarily
[05:32] <allee> k
[05:32] <Hobbsee> im' not sure what happens with that - kubuntu members get @kubuntu addresses, and vice versa.  i'm not sureif they get both
[05:32] <Hobbsee> allee: i've got both @ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org
[05:32] <Hobbsee> feel free to use either
[05:33] <Hobbsee> iirc i sign with @ubuntu.com but use @kubuntu.org normally
[05:33] <Hobbsee> both are listed on the same key, so it makes no difference
[05:34] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:34] <toma> nite
[05:34] <allee> works. cool I have fix my gpg key ;)
[05:35] <allee> toma: hi
[05:35] <Riddell> toma: did that fix your hwdb problem?
[05:35] <toma> hey allee
[05:35] <toma> Riddell: sorry, my cat lay down, so i could not really move
[05:35] <toma> +on me
[05:35] <Riddell> that happens
[05:35] <toma> let me check
[05:38] <toma> Riddell: same urls?
[05:38] <Riddell> yes
[05:39] <toma> ok, no difference in that case
[05:39] <Riddell> really?
[05:39] <toma> really
[05:39] <Riddell> with latest versions?  I made two fixes
[05:39] <toma> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/TIzgmZ93.html
[05:41] <Lure> Riddell: same here 
[05:41] <Lure> where in code (line) did you fix?
[05:42] <Riddell> Lure: last line of dataSent() method
[05:42] <Riddell> should be "self.hwdb_lock = md5sum"
[05:43] <toma> not here
[05:44] <Riddell> ok, rebuilt, try  wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb
[05:45] <Lure> this one looks ok (from source), old one did not - trying...
[05:46] <toma> Riddell: works ok
[05:47] <Lure> Riddell: here too!
[05:47] <Riddell> rocking, thanks people
[05:47] <toma> i dont like the moving when you choose an option
[05:47] <toma> when the arrows are shown
[05:47] <Riddell> on the Send button?
[05:48] <Riddell> oh, the yes/no buttons?
[05:48] <Lure> yes, that is a bit strange - and font size before sending in huge...
[05:48] <toma> no, on the different pages
[05:48] <toma> Lure: indeed
[05:48] <Lure> and I hope we get kubuntu logo and some purple... ;-)
[05:48] <toma> and i would like to see what i'm sending to someone, but that is maybe personal ;-)
[05:48] <Lure> Riddell: will this get menu in Utilities?
[05:49] <Riddell> hmm, that's broken, there should always be an arrow by the radios
[05:49] <Riddell> Lure: it's in System
[05:49] <toma> Riddell: i'm not seeing them for the first two options
[05:49] <toma> which package is that?
[05:50] <Lure> Riddell: not here...
[05:50] <Lure> Riddell: no .desktop file in .deb so I doubt it...
[05:51] <toma> confirmed, it is not in system
[05:55] <fritsch> Hobbsee: kopete successfully compiled on dapper
[05:57] <Riddell> .desktop file added to http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb
[06:01] <Lure> Riddell: are you sure? not in the one I downloaded with wget...
[06:01] <Lure> ;-)
[06:01] <Riddell> works for me
[06:02] <Lure> Riddell: no .desktop in file...
[06:06] <Riddell> wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb; lesspipe hwdb-client-kde_0.6-0ubuntu11_all.deb | grep desktop
[06:06] <Riddell> -rw-r--r-- root/root      1701 2006-08-16 14:01 ./usr/share/applications/kde/hwdb-kde.desktop
[06:15] <bddebian> Hello
[06:19] <toma> Riddell: it shows in system now, even translated. 
[06:20] <Riddell> super :)
[06:20] <Riddell> well no response from ogra, I think I'll just upload it
[06:41] <toma> nobody told me tomalbers@kubuntu.org simply works
[07:13] <seaLne> toma: it works for all kubuntu-members
[07:14] <toma> seaLne: ok, i'll use that to sign from now
[07:14] <seaLne> @ubuntu.com aswell
[07:34] <toma> seaLne: any more hidden features? (like a bog build cluster or something)
[07:34] <toma> big
[07:47] <seaLne> not yet
[08:01] <Riddell> hi apachelogger, do you have the kopete changelog?
[08:02] <apachelogger> ah, now I rember why I joined #kopete before ^^
[08:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[08:02] <Riddell> hmm
[08:02] <Riddell> kinday hard to get an upstream version freeze without one
[08:03] <Riddell> I think we need to wait for mattr
[08:04] <apachelogger> yeah
[08:04] <seaLne> woot i'm now on qa team :)
[08:04] <Riddell> yay
[08:09] <_Sime> yuriy: Hi
[08:13] <apachelogger> hm
[08:13] <apachelogger> now my notebook suffers from really strange bugs
[08:14] <apachelogger> battery status only gets updated after it has been hibernated once
[08:18] <yuriy> _Sime: hi
[08:18] <_Sime> yuriy: how is wineconfig going?
[08:19] <_Sime> yuriy: what is working, what is left to do?
[08:19] <_Sime> yuriy: (SoC is almost over, y/n?)
[08:20] <yuriy> yep it is
[08:20] <yuriy> the only outstanding issue is really the audio
[08:20] <yuriy> right now it just offers the whole list of drivers and no way to test
[08:21] <yuriy> i didn't realize just how bad my C is until i tried to make a patch for winebrowser.. that took a while
[08:21] <yuriy> so the sound test isn't going to be done by the 21st
[08:21] <yuriy> i'm working on appearance settings
[08:21] <yuriy> that'll get done
[08:22] <yuriy> i'll make a couple default color schemes that will try to match plastik and such
[08:23] <yuriy> + i've forwarded whatever widget styles i found to david (the other project)
[08:23] <_Sime> k
[08:24] <_Sime> yuriy: when do you have to go back to school? do you think you will be doing much work on it after the 21st?
[08:25] <yuriy> YoKoZar started working on improving the .desktop file situation recently, so menus will be improving
[08:26] <yuriy> _Sime: i'm moving back to school on the 23rd, but it doesn't start until the 29th, except for some training thing for work
[08:26] <_Sime> I haven't looked at it for a while. It looks like you've done a lot. ;-)
[08:26] <yuriy> _Sime: so other than the move-in day, i'll have next week pretty much free
[08:27] <yuriy> _Sime: the only thing that should be not working on there right now is the color schemes box - that does nothing
[08:28] <yuriy> + the font size sets the right setting, but doesn't seem to have any effect (i've tried it with winecfg)
[08:29] <_Sime> yuriy: so the audio tab works, but you just can't (as user) test what you've selected. Is that right?
[08:30] <yuriy> _Sime: also the default browser setting doesn't quite work correctly, needs a patch for winebrowser that i submitted but hasn't been accepted yet
[08:32] <yuriy> _Sime: I don't really know what to do with the general tab right now.  There aren't really any other settings that I can think of that belong on there, but I can't think of a better place to put the version either
[08:35] <_Sime> yuriy: you could seek it onto the Applications tab.
[08:35] <_Sime> yuriy: since in the applications tab it talks about the default/global version setting.
[08:36] <superstoned>  hey, riddell, hwdb-kde is nice, but sound doesn't play, and it feels slow. resizing, typing... if Qt4 is supposed to be fast, what is this? :D btw, i don't have nvidia driver running atm, which slows certain stuff, that might be it... or is it just slow?
[08:36] <yuriy> _Sime: heh that's something that kind of bothered me about winecfg
[08:36] <yuriy> _Sime: though the main thing i didn't like about it there is that it implies that you're just selecting an application to set the version for, but it actually applies to the whole dialog
[08:37] <_Sime> yuriy: call it the Default for all applications or something.
[08:40] <yuriy> _Sime: a couple other reasons i don't want it there:
[08:40] <yuriy> my appications tab doesn't appear in the application specific dialog
[08:41] <Riddell> superstoned: shouldn't be slow, although resizing isn't great due to multiple layers being drawn
[08:41] <yuriy> and if it did, again it would just be the one setting there just like the current "general" tab
[08:42] <superstoned> riddell: it feels like it lags when typing. bit like krita when painting ;-)
[08:42] <yuriy> and because I think the windows version should be one of the first visible setting for the user, but the specific applications thing shouldn't
[08:42] <yuriy> especially considering david is planning to make a context menu for .exe's that you can get to the application specific settings from
[08:43] <superstoned> riddell: but i can't test it again, it gives me the ID, and only the ID ;-)
[08:43] <Riddell> superstoned: typing seems fine to me, no lag and definately better than konqueror
[08:44] <Riddell> superstoned: rm ~/.hwdb
[08:44] <Riddell> i'll add a re-run button at some point
[08:44] <superstoned> should this be hardware accellerated (GL, RENDER) on good drivers, btw? if not, well, it looks nice, but i already have irritations concerning drawing speed on a 2.8 ghz AMD...
[08:44] <superstoned> ok. guess it's a coincidence, with the nv driver which is slow anyway. sucks to depend on NVidia for drivers :(
[08:50] <Riddell> there shouldn't be anything accelarated about it
[08:51] <yuriy> superstoned: is it just that program? i get slight occasional lag just about everywhere with nv :(
[09:12] <_Sime> yuriy: :-/ combine the Default Version  and the libraries tab perhaps...
[09:12] <superstoned> yuriy: well, yes, everywhere a bit, but not that bad. if i type here (konversation) my cpu doesn't go up at all, while with the hwdb tool, it goes to 100% while i type.
[09:28] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you think about the audiocd:/ IO-slave. It is used much by normal users?
[09:32] <Riddell> _Sime: yes I think so
[09:33] <Riddell> at least I use it :)
[09:33] <_Sime> Riddell: I mean for ripping CDs?
[09:34] <yuriy> i've used it in the past but i don't know what functionality it provides over media:/hdc or system:/media/hdc  other than not involving the name of your cd drive
[09:35] <yuriy> or are those audiocd:/ in the background anyways when it's an audio cd?
[09:38] <Riddell> _Sime: so do I
[09:39] <Riddell> yuriy: they are
[09:45] <yuriy> Riddell: in that case I use it and i'm sure plenty of people do
[10:16] <yuriy> _Sime: i think i have to finally learn to use KConfig
[10:16] <yuriy> _Sime: need a good way to store color schemes
[10:17] <_Sime> yuriy: you mean a custom colour scheme that someone has configured in wineconfig?
[10:18] <yuriy> _Sime: yes, or a default one that I make (which i intend to do in wineconfig myself anyway)
[10:20] <yuriy> _Sime: i'd like to put them in a config file (wineconfigrc) which so far i haven't had a real need to use.  i could also make registry keys to store them (windows has them, but they are binary andd currently not used by wine).  or i could make a sepearate .reg file forr each scheme which would make them easier to apply but annoying to store
[10:21] <_Sime> yuriy: soooo kconfig it is!
[10:21] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44331
[10:21] <nixternal> enjoy ;)
[10:23] <yuriy> _Sime: i know python also has a module to store and read data structures as text, it would make it a lot easier to store and read if i could use that.  but that would be incompatible with the way KDE stores configuration right?
[10:25] <yuriy> nixternal: now only to get some nice printable sticker paper!
[10:25] <_Sime> yuriy: true. By using kconfig you won't have to worry about _where_ the info gets stored in the user's $HOME or whatever.
[10:25] <nixternal> hehe
[10:27] <nixternal> im definitely going to find out..i did it because "System76" was providing them free to residents int he US, so i thought everyone should be able to get something similar, so i created them
[10:28] <nixternal> you can use the avery labels, as they work great, they are 2x4...or if you had a dymo printer or whatever they are called, you can get the 2x3 labels on a roll of 500
[10:33] <yuriy> _Sime: yep i know. any way to combine the two? :D
[10:33] <_Sime> yuriy: kconfig is pretty easy to use
[10:34] <yuriy> heh did some searching on the stickers. looks like about $1.70 per custom sticker in bulk quantities
[10:34] <yuriy> does System76 have kubuntu or just ubuntu ones?
[10:39] <nixternal> just ubuntu ones
[10:46] <nixternal> adept notifier icon in edgy is messed up here...same with anyone else?
[10:56] <_Sime> yuriy: just pass in what you want to write to writeEntry() and PyKDE will work out what you mean.
[11:03] <yuriy> _Sime: yeah i know, just saying the documentation is daunting
[11:04] <yuriy> _Sime: btw, my desktop is still showing a battery icon that's 50% charged and has 10 minutes of battery life left ; )
[11:11] <yuriy> the KConfig entry looks so much like the wine/windows registry entry it's scary
[11:21] <nixternal> imbrandon: why do i have to look at mr. potato head on my desktop?
[11:22] <imbrandon> becouse you complained for so long that i had a socer ball, now deal ;)
[11:23] <nixternal> http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/mrpotato.jpg
[11:23] <nixternal> just for you
[11:23] <apachelogger> yuriy: http://dev.bit-freaks.net/apachelogger/poweredbykubuntu/images.html ;-)
[11:24] <nixternal> apachelogger: you printed some already?
[11:24] <nixternal> im doing it now as well ;)
[11:24] <apachelogger> :D
[11:24] <nixternal> you shrunk them down and made case badges?
[11:24] <nixternal> oh dude you rock
[11:25] <apachelogger> last time I did stick something geeky I lost mind and went insane
[11:25] <apachelogger> Kay that was ;-)
[11:25] <yuriy> apachelogger: the nice primitive konqueror generated picture gallery? :P
[11:26] <apachelogger> hehe, nebuchadnezzar isn't yet completely installed :P
[11:26] <apachelogger> doesn't even have kipi
[11:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: why don't we use knet for internet connection setup? ... people told me setting up DSL with a dialup modem is hell, though knet would support a GUI way for that
[11:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/poweredby/PoweredByKubuntu/
[11:58] <nixternal> im gonna go buy some of that glossy paper in a bit ;)
[11:59] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:00] <fritsch> Riddell: you kubuntu hwdb is only working on edgy? because of the pyqt qt4 dependencies?