[12:09] <Darkkish> lol i'm going to have to do everything all over again
[12:09] <Darkkish> when i reinstall linux on my new harddrive next week
[12:09] <fritsch> zipper: you did sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686
[12:09] <geneo93> well there are bugs in2.6.15-23 thats why
[12:09] <Darkkish> is there an easy way to just copy everything over?
[12:09] <zipper> fritsch, yes
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: please do sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-686
[12:10] <milos> rafael?
[12:10] <zipper> fritsch, already got that one
[12:10] <fritsch> no
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: you did not!
[12:10] <fritsch> zipper: it provides the nvidia.ko modul
[12:11] <zipper> fritsch, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-686 is already the newest version.
[12:11] <zipper> fritsch, i did.
[12:11] <fritsch> zipper: what tells: dpkg -l |grep restricted
[12:11] <zipper> but notice the 15-23... i'm not running kernel 2.6.15-23.
[12:12] <fritsch> this is okay
[12:12] <zipper> fritsch, what should i be looking for? I'm not lying to you, i do have those packages
[12:12] <fritsch> zipper: please do:
[12:12] <fritsch> zipper: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-686
[12:13] <fritsch> zipper: if this does not work! please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:13] <zipper> fritsch,  we tried that already remember? lnux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-686 isn't in my repositories
[12:13] <milos> Ok, people thanks for trying (you know, this is why I like using some hc distros, like slack:). Although, for beginners Kubuntu looks quite promising. Bye
[12:13] <fritsch> milos: and sorry
[12:13] <milos> :)
[12:14] <fritsch> zipper: !pastebin
[12:14] <milos> No appologies needed.
[12:14] <zipper> fritsch, give me a sec
[12:14] <fritsch> zipper: good
[12:14] <zipper> fritsch, http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2053
[12:15] <fritsch> zipper: sudo apt-get update
[12:15] <fritsch> zipper: these are exactly the same as mine
[12:15] <fritsch> zipper: you cannot "miss" them
[12:16] <zipper> fritsch, you wouldn't think so would you?
[12:16] <fritsch> zipper: you did sudo apt-get update?
[12:16] <zipper> fritsch, http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2054
[12:17] <zipper> fritsch, ofcourse i did
[12:17] <zipper> i'm not stupid
[12:17] <fritsch> zipper: yes, sorry
[12:17] <TheHighChild> zipper_: I removed the spaces in front of some of the repos, try this list http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2055
[12:18] <fritsch> zipper_: i don`t check
[12:18] <zipper_> TheHighChild, i'll try that, thanks. It does seems like it already understands all the repositories, but i guess it couldnt hurt
[12:21] <TheHighChild> zipper_: If that doesn't work, you can try my sources.list if you'd like
[12:21] <zipper_> TheHighChild, do you have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26 in your repositories? Can you find that package?
[12:21] <TheHighChild> yes
[12:22] <zipper_> then yes, i'd very much like to see your sources.list
[12:23] <TheHighChild> zipper_: http://milkspank.com/ubuntu/sources.list
[12:23] <zipper_> TheHighChild, thanks
[12:24] <zipper_> TheHighChild, so you also have repositories for opera, wine and? http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/deb <- what is that for?
[12:25] <TheHighChild> I don't know how fluent you are and haven't followed your conversation long. Here's what you'll want to do. Go to that page, ctrl + a, then ctrl + c. Then 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak' then 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and shift + insert to paste. Then ctrl + o to save and ctrl + x to quit, then type 'sudo apt-get update' in the konsole
[12:25] <TheHighChild> zipper_: Off hand I don't know. I'm not suggesting you permanently replace your sources with mine, but it will be fine for a test
[12:26] <fritsch> zipper_: can give you mine, they are "more or less" standart + kde 3.5.4 + amarok 1.4.1 + newest k3b
[12:26] <zipper_> TheHighChild, thank you, but i'm somewhat familiar with linux.
[12:26] <TheHighChild> zipper_: then 'apt-cache search restricted' and see if it shows up for you
[12:26] <TheHighChild> ok
[12:26] <zipper_> fritsch, couldn't hurt
[12:27] <zipper_> wierd
[12:27] <apallo19> hey daskreech
[12:27] <zipper_> with your sources.list, -26 does show up
[12:27] <zipper_> great
[12:27] <zipper_> but wierd
[12:27] <TheHighChild> awesome
[12:27] <Darkkish> its my graphix card guys
[12:27] <apallo19> don't suppose you remember that package i need to download to get smbmount to work?
[12:28] <Darkkish> nvida drivers don't work with the 6600GT models
[12:28] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: Mine work great
[12:28] <zipper_> Darkkish, it doesnt? I've used linux with 6600gt without any problems
[12:28] <Hawkwind> Darkkish: Several people here use a 6600GT
[12:28] <zipper_> debian, but still shouldnt make a difference
[12:28] <Darkkish> 5i3rhgk
[12:28] <Darkkish> well
[12:28] <Darkkish> what model?
[12:28] <Darkkish> er
[12:28] <Darkkish> what manufacturer*
[12:29] <zipper_> Darkkish, manufacturer shouldn't matter
[12:29] <geneo93> Darkkish:  what driver number
[12:29] <apallo19> nevermind
[12:29] <zipper_> TheHighChild, uuh, now i also have 51 updates to packages, interresting
[12:29] <fritsch> zipper_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/sources.list
[12:29] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: If you'd like a copy of my x11.org, I'dbe happy to provide it for reference
[12:29] <zipper_> fritsch, thank you very much
[12:30] <Darkkish> sure
[12:30] <Darkkish> TheHighChild: please
[12:30] <TheHighChild> zipper_: Don't do an upgrade. Just install the module. Then swap out the sources and then upgrade
[12:31] <zipper_> TheHighChild, yeah i know, but still interresting i didnt had those upgrades available with my own sources.list
[12:31] <TheHighChild> zipper_: I think the spaces in front of your repos was your problem. I've seen it before a number of times.
[12:31] <zipper_> fritsch, how's kde 3.5.4 working out for you?
[12:31] <TheHighChild> give me a sec Darkkish, it's on my other machine
[12:31] <fritsch> zipper_: great
[12:31] <zipper_> TheHighChild, then removing them should've made a difference, which it didnt
[12:32] <Darkkish> i just tried installing via adept
[12:32] <geneo93> make sure you have 8762 driver
[12:32] <Darkkish> and it screwed up my linux so bad i had to reformat
[12:32] <zipper_> Darkkish, kde 3.5.4?
[12:32] <fritsch> zipper_: no his nvidia driver
[12:32] <zipper_> oh, okay
[12:33] <zipper_> Darkkish, you couldn't just have gone to a console and used the 'nv' driver in xorg.conf instead of 'nvidia' ?
[12:33] <zipper_> at least untill you fixed your problem
[12:33] <Darkkish> zipper_:  i'm very new
[12:33] <Darkkish> and also my console has issues
[12:34] <zipper_> oh okay
[12:34] <Darkkish> at random it says "unkown keystroke"
[12:34] <Darkkish> :-/
[12:34] <Darkkish> any ideas?
[12:34] <zipper_> Darkkish, i stay away from keyboard layout problems... i hate them so much, i'd much rather help you compile and install an alpha kernel if thats of any interrest?
[12:35] <Darkkish> why would i be getting the problem?
[12:35] <zipper_> (since your new, you dont want to do that actually)
[12:35] <zipper_> no idea, my guess is something is wrong with your keyboard layout
[12:35] <Darkkish> well when i hit the buttons
[12:35] <Darkkish> they still work
[12:36] <Darkkish> even though i get the message
[12:36] <Darkkish> its just distracting
[12:36] <Darkkish> it would work fine if i could supress the messages
[12:36] <zipper_> hmm... i guess i shouldn't have tried enabling standby on my laptop, now i cannot turn on the power anymore :P
[12:36] <zipper_> Darkkish, i'm sorry, i dont know whats causing it
[12:37] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: http://milkspank.com/ubuntu/xorg.conf
[12:37] <fritsch> zipper_: take out the battery
[12:37] <Darkkish> i only get it when not in KDE
[12:37] <Darkkish> the errors
[12:37] <fritsch> that could be normal
[12:37] <Darkkish> konsole doesn't show them
[12:37] <zipper_> fritsch, i know i know, still annyoing acpi is so badly supported still
[12:37] <fritsch> because the kernel map does not know what to do with these events
[12:37] <TheHighChild> Darkkish: That's my xorg with my Nvidia 6600GT, running with the 'nvidia' driver and an MX510 mouse
[12:38] <Darkkish> nah
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: what machine?
[12:38] <Darkkish> zipper_:  my dads dell has that problem and it runs windows
[12:38] <Darkkish> TheHighChild: thanks
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: what about the nvidia issue?
[12:38] <fritsch> zipper_: working?
[12:38] <zipper_> fritsch, the most linux unfriendly laptop known to man : Asus A6R.
[12:38] <zipper_> fritsch, haven't had a chance to fix it, working on both machines at the same time
[12:39] <fritsch> zipper_: mmmh could you please do it ...
[12:39] <fritsch> zipper_: i just wait for you
[12:41] <zipper_> fritsch, seems like its working, although i still get that error : http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2050
[12:41] <zipper_> very annoying, and i have no idea whats causing it
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: this is normal, because you do not have this grapchis tablette, but your xorg.conf has devices for it
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: you could modprobe nvidia?
[12:42] <fritsch> zipper_: then please try starting kdm with nvidia
[12:42] <zipper_> ah okay, give me a sec and i'll test
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper_: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/xorg.conf <- widhtout the unwanted devices
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper: working?
[12:44] <zipper> fritsch, yes
[12:44] <fritsch> zipper: cool :-) so me is going to bed now ;-)
[12:44] <user_> has anyone got NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8762-pkg2 to work ?
[12:44] <zipper> fritsch, wait a second please
[12:45] <fritsch> user_: ok
[12:45] <zipper> fritsch, in that xorg.conf you just removed the input devices stylus, curser and eraser right?
[12:45] <fritsch> zipper: yes
[12:45] <zipper> ah okay
[12:45] <fritsch> zipper: do not forget to remo them in ServerLayout
[12:46] <qbert> hey all, im trying to get mysql-server4.1 but cant find it, I enabled the universe from within manage repositroies but its still not showing up
[12:46] <fritsch> qbert: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[12:46] <fritsch> qbert: this installs 5.0.22
[12:47] <qbert> testing
[12:47] <zipper> fritsch, editing xorg.conf to remove those, i noticed something wierd
[12:47] <fritsch> zipper: yes?
[12:47] <zipper> fritsch, kubuntu detects my nvidia 7900gt as "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] "
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: lol no
[12:48] <zipper> agpgart works, glxgears work, everything
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: correct xorg log?
[12:48] <zipper> it's the default xorg.conf
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: correct nvidia driver?
[12:48] <zipper> the driver is correct, yes
[12:48] <zipper> but the identifier is a bit wierd
[12:48] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[12:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: ah okay
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: this is no problem
[12:48] <zipper> i know it's not a problem
[12:48] <zipper> it's still wierd though
[12:48] <fritsch> zipper: just the ubuntu installer detects it like this
[12:48] <user_> how do i exit X to build nvidia drivers ?
[12:48] <whizz-> can the command line history for konsole be cleared?
[12:49] <fritsch> zipper: what says lspci
[12:49] <zipper> what it should say
[12:49] <fritsch> zipper: perhaps it assumes its a radeon *G*
[12:49] <zipper> but why would it do that? I dont get it
[12:49] <user_> how do i exit X server ?
[12:49] <Darkkish> lol
[12:50] <Darkkish> that will get rid of KDE
[12:50] <Darkkish> you MIGHT want to try installing via adept, but wait forsomeone else to confirm
[12:50] <Darkkish> because i am NOT an expert
[12:50] <fritsch> !nvidia > user_
[12:50] <user_> i need to exit X to build the nvidia driver i also have to telinit 3
[12:50] <fritsch> !nvidia > me
[12:51] <fritsch> !nvidia > fritsch
[12:52] <fritsch> user_: please read the howto i sent to you
[12:52] <user_> thanks :)
[12:53] <user_> i was going to build NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8762-pkg2
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: the good of a userfriendly distri ist, that you do not have to compile such things for yourself
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: everything is done
[12:53] <zipper> FUCK!
[12:53] <zipper> sorry for my language, but dammit
[12:53] <fritsch> user_: no dont do that ... ubuntu provides you with such
[12:53] <fritsch> what happened?
[12:53] <user_> ok cool :)
[12:54] <zipper> just made my wireless connection work, my touchpad work, my gfxcard work, my screen work, made everything work on my laptop except the soundcard. I now realise i have to do a clean install in order to get that working :(
[12:54] <fritsch> zipper: why?
[12:54] <fritsch> zipper: dont think so
[12:54] <user_> is this what i want to be looking at then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia ?
[12:54] <fritsch> user_: yes
[12:54] <user_> cool :)
[12:55] <zipper> fritsch, well, i think i've messed around a bit too much with modules and ndiswrapper to get back to basics... i need to find out what module was initially used for my soundcard
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: just reinstall the kernel
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: udev discover autoload you soundcard modules
[12:55] <Pagan0ne> a useful tip to anyone thinking about it, dont try to boot the kubuntu live cd on a 266 PII w/ 100MB sd ram, it doesnt like it too much :^
[12:55] <rafael_> hi people
[12:55] <zipper> meh, that would mess up a lot of stuff =/
[12:55] <rafael_> i just installed ut2004 trought the .sh script on the cd
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: lsmod |grep snd
[12:55] <fritsch> zipper: sound should be the less problem
[12:55] <rafael_> it installed just fine, but when i try to run it
[12:56] <rafael_> i only see the splash screen
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: alternatively compile alsa from source and use alsaconf
[12:56] <rafael_> it closes then the game dont open
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: but me is goning to sleep :-)
[12:56] <zipper> fritsch, you would think so, but a quick google for "a6r sound problem" reveal something else
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: could be patched in latest alsa
[12:56] <zipper> fritsch, i cant use udev discover, since i made my own module which is currently used for my soundcard. But go to sleep, i dont wanna keep you up. Thanks for your help
[12:56] <fritsch> zipper: cant you give that laptop back?
[12:57] <zipper> give it back? As in return it to get my money back?
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: udev/discover ist used default, i would not suggest you uninstalling udev
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: yes
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: buy a thinkpad
[12:57] <zipper> it's a really great laptop, it's just very badly supported in linux
[12:57] <zipper> thinkpads are too expensive
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: so its a bad laptop
[12:57] <zipper> no
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: there are special offers for students
[12:57] <zipper> linux support is far from the most important thing in a laptop
[12:57] <fritsch> zipper: i once installed on a Asus V6V
[12:58] <zipper> build quality, battery life, screen quality is way more important to me than linux support
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: everything worked, but asus broken patched bios etc.
[12:58] <zipper> if i can get linux on it, great, if not, too bad.
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: wuss
[12:58] <zipper> i'm not a wuss, i'm just being reasonable :P
[12:58] <zipper> either way, 99% of laptops arent very well supported
[12:58] <fritsch> zipper: man - linux is freedom - M$ will make a slavery to all people who cannot have 350$ to buy office and OS itself
[12:59] <fritsch> zipper: no :-) just say no
[12:59] <whizz-> can the command line history for konsole be cleared?
[12:59] <fritsch> zipper: i know of at least 100 different laptops, i got "at least" running
[12:59] <user_> do you need to do the linux-restricted-modules bit in kubuntu ?
[12:59] <zipper> fritsch, if i had all the money in the world, i would. But while you live in la-la land, i have to actually pay bills. Thats why i got an a6r instead of a thinkpad
[12:59] <fritsch> whizz-: just delete your .bash_history *g*
[12:59] <user_> im guessing no as they are already installed ?
[12:59] <fritsch> me lives in lala land?
[01:00] <zipper> fritsch, my laptop is running great. I just need soundcard support, which isn't all that important really
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: what did it cost?
[01:00] <zipper> ~1000$
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: what is this in euro?
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: mmmh, aprox the same?
[01:00] <zipper> in my currency, probably 700$ if you look on american prices
[01:00] <whizz-> ah.. thx, fritsch
[01:00] <zipper> tax, VAT and stuff is killing
[01:00] <fritsch> zipper: where do you live?
[01:00] <zipper> denmark
[01:01] <viksa> can someone help me to configure my tv card ?
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: mmmh okay, but "lala land" <- this was not nice :-)
[01:01] <zipper> fritsch, neither was calling me a wuss
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: lol :-) it was a german word
[01:01] <fritsch> zipper: did not know it`s sth bad in denmark, really sorry
[01:02] <zipper> sth ?
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: it just means "what"
[01:02] <fritsch> something
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: what is a wuzz?
[01:02] <qbert> fritsch the mysql-server is giving me 4.0.21, do i need to enable universe repositories ?
[01:02] <zipper> fritsch, lol, 'wuss' in english
[01:02] <fritsch> zipper: yes?
[01:02] <zipper> fritsch, which is what we're speaking at the moment, a 'wuss' is a coward
[01:02] <user_> is this normal after running nvidia-glx-config enable Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[01:02] <fritsch> qbert: are you running breezy?
[01:03] <fritsch> user_: just change /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[01:03] <user_> This script cannot proceed automatically.
[01:03] <fritsch> user_: just chage nv to nvidia
[01:03] <zipper> fritsch, besides, questions are usually followed by a question mark
[01:03] <Darkkish> GOOOOAAAAL!
[01:03] <Darkkish> :-D
[01:03] <Darkkish> thx man
[01:03] <Darkkish> thanks*
[01:03] <qbert> dunno, uname -a = ubuntu 2.6.12-9
[01:03] <fritsch> zipper: yes of course
[01:03] <fritsch> zipper: me is looking up wuss (still really sorry)
[01:03] <zipper> fritsch, oh well, just a misunderstanding then, dont worry too much about it
[01:03] <fritsch> qbert: okay this is breezy
[01:04] <fritsch> qbert: i am running dapper, dont know of mysql for breezy
[01:04] <fritsch> zipper: good night! see you soon
[01:05] <fritsch> wargh just looked up "wuss" in english bad in german dialectly for "what?" :-)
[01:05] <fritsch> cu
[01:07] <user_> is that it just change nv to nvidia and then ctrl-alt backspace ?
[01:07] <user_> or do i change nv to nvidia then run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable again ?
[01:07] <Kr4t05> Where would I find libmp3lame.so in my system?
[01:08] <zipper> user_, according to what i've been reading you've been doing, changing to nvidia and ctrl+alt+backspace would be the way to go
[01:08] <user_> cool :) brb
[01:08] <zipper> user_, if you see a large nvidia logo when you start up x again, nvidia drivers are loaded
[01:09] <Darkkish> zipper: how do i edit my nvidia settings?
[01:09] <user_> nice nice i saw the nvidia logo :)
[01:09] <Darkkish> me too! :)
[01:09] <Darkkish> i just got it working for me
[01:09] <Darkkish> :)
[01:09] <user_> now how do i change the resolution ?
[01:09] <Darkkish> lofl
[01:09] <Darkkish> lol*
[01:09] <zipper> user_, try system settings -> display
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, what nvidia settings do you want to change?
[01:10] <ICE> !freenx
[01:10] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[01:10] <Darkkish> zipper: idk yet
[01:10] <Darkkish> zipper: i want to see them... is there a menu?
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, then it's quite hard to tell you what to do =/
[01:10] <zipper> Darkkish, if you're looking for the same setup menu nvidia drivers in windows has, you're going to look for a long time, you wont find them
[01:11] <Darkkish> zipper:  haha k thanks :(
[01:11] <zipper> Darkkish, most is done in hand, by editing xorg.conf
[01:11] <user_> cheers zipper :)
[01:11] <zipper> user_, no problem
[01:11] <zipper> user_, if the nvidia logo bothers you, you can remove it. The nvidia guide on the wiki explains how
[01:11] <Darkkish> if i have an LCD moniter
[01:11] <Darkkish> is it ok to have a 75hz refresh rate?
[01:11] <soulrider> hi everyone
[01:12] <zipper> Darkkish, should be, unless you've specified something wierd in the monitor section of xorg.conf
[01:12] <Darkkish> zipper: i thought the refresh rate for LCD was 60hz
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, normally, it is
[01:13] <user_> in xorg.conf it metions the resolutions the monitor can support but in display settings it only goes to 1024x768 max ?
[01:13] <Darkkish> zipper: but 75 won't hurt anything?
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, however, if your screen accepts 75hz, why not use it?
[01:13] <Darkkish> zipper: very true
[01:13] <zipper> Darkkish, i very much doubt that. If the screen doesnt support a resolution/refresh rate it normally just turns blank. Shouldn't be possible to damage your screen that way
[01:14] <Darkkish> user_: how big is your moniter in inches? or cm?
[01:15] <zipper> user_, are you sure your monitor support resolutions bigger than 1024x768?
[01:15] <user_> i have a HDTV with DVI :)
[01:15] <Darkkish> my thoughts too
[01:15] <user_> 32 inch :)
[01:15] <Darkkish> ahahahaa
[01:15] <user_> lol
[01:15] <Darkkish> that is odd then
[01:16] <Darkkish> mine is 17" and it runs 1280x1024
[01:16] <Darkkish> 17 inch
[01:16] <user_> its great as a 32inch monitor only 600 quid from www.lowestonweb.com :)
[01:16] <zipper> user_, are you new to linux and/or editing xorg.conf by hand?
[01:16] <user_> does 1080
[01:16] <Darkkish> i have no idea how much a quid is
[01:17] <Darkkish> yeah 1080p it should
[01:17] <zipper> Darkkish, hdtv doesnt support 1280x1024, max is normally 1280x720
[01:17] <zipper> ah
[01:17] <zipper> 1080, impressive. My 32 inch hdtv doesnt support that
[01:17] <Darkkish> zipper: oh yeah >_> good point
[01:17] <Darkkish> hah
[01:17] <user_> i used to have some linux experience back in the day lol and i got a sharp zaurus :)
[01:17] <Darkkish> i wish i had an HD tv
[01:17] <qbert> 600 quid = 1000 US Dollar
[01:17] <Darkkish> oh
[01:17] <Darkkish> cool
[01:17] <Darkkish> so its like the same as 1rand?
[01:18] <Darkkish> r1
[01:18] <zipper> qbert, also known as : Either he stole it, or he's lying. No 32 inch hdtv that support 1080 go for 1000$
[01:18] <qbert> quid is a british poind
[01:18] <Darkkish> not sure how to spell ran
[01:18] <Darkkish> uh...
[01:18] <Darkkish> that might not be right then
[01:18] <Darkkish> ~2 brittish pounds = 1 dollar
[01:18] <qbert> I got a HDTV projector with 1080i for $700
[01:18] <zipper> Darkkish, hdtv's are a waste of money anyway. You won't see much hdtv content till 2008 anyway, and by then, they'll be cheap as hell
[01:18] <Darkkish> US dollar
[01:18] <qbert> yea i only get 6 hd channels
[01:19] <zipper> qbert, projectors are a whole different story
[01:19] <user_> qbert nice :)
[01:19] <Darkkish> zipper: true, thats what i'm waiting for
[01:19] <Drako60> anyone here care to help me
[01:19] <zipper> Darkkish, you should.... but i needed a new tv anyway, my old one broke. Could just as well buy a hdtv lcd
[01:20] <zipper> Drako60, not really, but ask your question and we'll do our best
[01:20] <Drako60> alright, i have a major problem here, i did apt-get dist-upgrade, and now the new kernel will not boot, and i can't find any of my audio devices, alsa fails, arts fails, xine fails, gsstreamer fails, all of them fail to find a compatable device
[01:20] <zipper> Why would you to dist-upgrade? You're using breezy or you wanted xgl?
[01:20] <Darkkish> is wine the best.. not emulator?
[01:20] <user_> its 1080i not 1080p http://www.lowestonweb.com/Products/DisplayInfoMain.asp?e=ADC83F19-4861-4978-BC41-428E641F58C9
[01:21] <zipper> Darkkish, depends what you want to use it for
[01:21] <Drako60> i was using breezy
[01:21] <user_> 549 now :)
[01:21] <Drako60> i'm still using the kernel from breezy since i can't get the dapper kernel to boot
[01:21] <Darkkish> zipper: attempting to play WoW
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, i would probably go for cedega (formerly known as wineX). It isn't for free, but it is usually better at emulating directx and games in general than wine
[01:22] <Darkkish> zipper: not free? how much is it?
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, can't remember
[01:22] <zipper> Darkkish, anyway, you could always try out wine first
[01:23] <zipper> and then consider cedega if it doesnt work out too well
[01:23] <user_> Darkkish i play wow on US servers :)
[01:23] <Darkkish> user_: burning blade?
[01:23] <user_> Cenarius :)
[01:23] <Darkkish> i'm not playing today because of upgrades
[01:23] <Darkkish> cool
[01:23] <user_> 47 alliance warrior
[01:23] <Darkkish> haha
[01:23] <Darkkish> i have
[01:24] <Darkkish> 22 mage, 22 roge, 13 worlock
[01:24] <user_> cool :)
[01:24] <Darkkish> i'm still trying out different characters
[01:24] <Darkkish> i like my lock, but it sucks against mehcanical because you can't fear em, or tank em
[01:24] <user_> i was thinking of trying to get vmware running and playing WOW on XP
[01:24] <Darkkish> eh
[01:24] <Darkkish> i would rather just dual boot then install XP on vm
[01:24] <zipper> user_, sorry for not answering you btw. If you're not extremely comfortable with xorg.conf and nvidia drivers, dont attempt to get your dual-screen setup working well. You could try making it run 1024x768 in clone mode, but everything else is a b*tch
[01:24] <Darkkish> which is what i'm doing now
[01:25] <Darkkish> zipper: cadega is that thing that they charge you monthley for
[01:25] <Darkkish> monthly*
[01:25] <zipper> user_, vmware sucks a lot of resources, wow probably wont be playable
[01:25] <Darkkish> $5
[01:25] <Darkkish> $5 USD
[01:25] <user_> i only have a single screen setup but id like to change the res to 1366x?
[01:25] <zipper> Darkkish, could be, i dont use it. I just know they charge *something* for it
[01:26] <admin_> sorry, spanish channel?
[01:26] <Darkkish> zipper: it is, i looked it up
[01:26] <Drako60> 1366x768
[01:26] <Darkkish> admin_: #knoppix_es
[01:26] <Darkkish> er
[01:26] <Darkkish> no
[01:26] <Darkkish> admin_: #kubuntu_es
[01:26] <Darkkish> lol
[01:26] <user_> what could i use for WOW and battlefield2 other than VMware ?
[01:26] <zipper> user_, oh, so you only have your hdtv connected as the only screen? Should make things easier
[01:26] <admin_> thanks
[01:26] <Darkkish> np
[01:26] <Darkkish> hahahah
[01:26] <Darkkish> BF2 in linux
[01:26] <Darkkish> lol
[01:26] <zipper> user_, you could use wine or cedega
[01:27] <user_> cool :)
[01:27] <Kr4t05> !cedega > user_
[01:27] <Darkkish> i'm going to try wine
[01:27] <zipper> Kr4t05, actually i heard someone talk about bf2 running more smoothly in wine than in cedega these days, but haven't tried either myself
[01:27] <user_> thanks Kr4t05
[01:27] <Darkkish> !cedega > darkkish
[01:27] <zipper> !cedega
[01:27] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega
[01:27] <zipper> !wine
[01:27] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:27] <Kr4t05> zipper: I wouldn't doubt it.
[01:28] <Kr4t05> zipper: It seems that TransGaming is pulling a Microsoft.
[01:28] <Darkkish> my friend said he got WoW working in wine rather well
[01:28] <Darkkish> yesterday
[01:28] <user_> Darkkish do you want to open a channel and we can both install wine
[01:29] <Darkkish> uh
[01:29] <Kr4t05> It seems mort probable that MS execs are paying TransGaming to keep them from giving Wine all of their fixes.
[01:29] <Darkkish> sure
[01:29] <zipper> Kr4t05, TransGaming isn't even reporting back to the wine project anymore =/
[01:29] <Darkkish> /join #kubuntu_wine
[01:29] <Darkkish> @ user_
[01:29] <zipper> Kr4t05, but what can you do? If you want to be a gamer in linux, cedega probably is your best choice
[01:29] <Kr4t05> zipper: Figures.
[01:29] <Kr4t05> zipper: zipper, I broke down and went back to dual-booting, today.
[01:30] <Kr4t05> I put you're name twice... o0
[01:30] <Kr4t05> your*
[01:30] <zipper> :)
[01:30] <Drako60> well i have no clue what to do
[01:30] <zipper_> Kr4t05, dont feel bad, i have dual-boot on all my machines
[01:31] <zipper_> Kr4t05, since there are some applications i cant find a _good_ replacement for
[01:31] <rubikcube> hi everyone, any hint on how to make Konsole show nethack with colours?
[01:31] <tk> nethack as in the old game?
[01:32] <Kr4t05> zipper_: If I knew more code, I would try to help these developers, but all I know is some simple C++. :/
[01:32] <rubikcube> nethack in console mode, yes
[01:32] <tk> wow, aint heard that in years :P
[01:32] <rubikcube> it works with colours in the real console
[01:32] <tk> I cant help, just shocked to hear about nethack these days
[01:33] <rubikcube> (on tty1-6), but not in kde in the Konsole
[01:33] <rubikcube> why that?
[01:33] <zipper_> Kr4t05, if i had the time and skill, i probably would too. But as things are right now, i'll just keep windows for those few applications i cannot replace atm
[01:33] <Kr4t05> rubikcube: Open Konsole and go to Settings -> Configure Konsole.
[01:33] <tk> I aint heard or seen anything about nethack in 12 years when I was on my 2400bps modem :P
[01:33] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I do DJing for a shoutcast station, and I pretty much need Winamp and the DSP plugin.
[01:33] <rubikcube> tk: then join #nethack :)
[01:34] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Also, I can't live without Guild Wars. :)
[01:34] <tk> rubikcube: ahh interesting, i might have to give that a try when I aint heading to work ;)
[01:34] <tk> never played the online version
[01:34] <zipper_> Kr4t05, guild wars can be emulated, i even think it's under transgaming "supported games" list. Isn't there a dsp plugin for xmms?
[01:34] <rubikcube> Kr4t05: can't find anything interesting there
[01:34] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Theu both kinda suck.
[01:35] <Kr4t05> rubikcube: Oh, I thought it was there, somewhere.
[01:35] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I also can't justify paying for Cedega, when I've already paid for my games.
[01:35] <rubikcube> Kr4t05: I thought it could be something with the encoding, but tried out all european and utf settings...
[01:35] <Kr4t05> Seems redundant to me.
[01:36] <zipper_> Kr4t05, you'd rather pay 100$ for windows than 5$ a month to transgaming?
[01:36] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I didn't pay $100 for Windows.
[01:37] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I got it for $75 on Ebay, and this was before I learned about Kubuntu.
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> hrm, ever since upgrading to kde354 k3b won't quit.
[01:37] <lengau> @zipper_: Isn't the full version of Windows $200? I thought $100 was just for the upgrade.
[01:37] <zipper_> lengau, probably, i was just guessing
[01:37] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Nope.
[01:38] <lengau> @zipper_: Okay.
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> I've heard windows XP pro full going for $135 or so.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: It depends on what versoin you're getting.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: XP Pro costs more than Home, but Media Center costs most.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> zipper_: As well as Server Edition.
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> they all cost your your sanity.
[01:38] <Kr4t05> I
[01:39] <zipper_> Kr4t05, you dont have to apologise to me, i also use windows :)
[01:39] <actinic> what's 64 bit going for, same price?
[01:39] <Kr4t05> actinic: when x64 first came out, they gave it out to exhisting XP Pro owners.
[01:39] <Kr4t05> But, that ended awhile ago.
[01:39] <Kr4t05> O
[01:39] <Kr4t05> I
[01:40] <Kr4t05> Argh...
[01:40] <Darkkish> i can get it for about $20
[01:40] <Darkkish> legally
[01:40] <Darkkish> sortof O.o
[01:40] <Darkkish> well its a legal copy
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Well, when I go to college, I
[01:43] <Kr4t05> could easily get a copy of XP from less than $50
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Vista, maybe, but XP, fer shure. :P
[01:44] <Kr4t05> Of course, I could get Vista for free, right now, but I don't have a DVD burner. :(
[01:44] <actinic> i've spiffed up the kubuntu linux folding team info ...
[01:44] <Kr4t05> The only reason I want to try Vista, is because I think they may actually be going in the right direction.
[01:45] <actinic> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.msg31733#msg31733
[01:45] <Kr4t05> IIRC, Vista is the first open-beta MS has ever done, right?
[01:45] <zipper_> !menu
[01:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about menu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <zipper_> hmm, how do i update my kde menu?
[01:46] <zipper_> Kr4t05, vista is _EVIL_! It's much worse than the black plague
[01:47] <vranikx> hello all, does anybody knows how can i enable direct rendering on nvidia PCI-e card?
[01:47] <zipper_> Kr4t05, for example, it forces you to get a gfxcard that support the hdcp encryption (which is _BAD_ for us, the consumers, and only help companies like sony) in order to playback hdtv content. If you dont have that, well, you can no longer use your pc as a htpc
[01:47] <Kr4t05> zipper_: I'm playing devil's advocate.
[01:47] <TheHighChild> Kr4t05: Yes, first open Beta, however, they simply don't have the funds to afford all the bug testers that it requires
[01:48] <Kr4t05> zipper_: That's why there is MythTV. ;)
[01:49] <actinic> isn't the encryption only available on their higher tiered vista product?
[01:49] <zipper_> Kr4t05, yes. And thats why you shouldn't even try out vista :)
[01:49] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Stop being a zealot.
[01:49] <actinic> you seem certainly educated for a product you don't like :)
[01:50] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Microsoft is a company, and, like any other company, they look out for one thing: The Bottom Line. If they want to force customers into something the customers would rather not be in, rest assured, the customers will find a way around it.
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> Personally I wish microsoft all the luck in the world at making their software less useful and harder to use.
[01:52] <Kr4t05> LeeJunFan: Well, maybe they just want to be like *nix.
[01:52] <zipper_> Kr4t05, i'm not being a zealot. Ofcourse microsoft is only a company like any other. How does that legitimate the use of hdcp?
[01:52] <TheHighChild> M$ could crap in a box and people would still swoon over it because people are teh sux0rs
[01:52] <zipper_> hdcp is worse than the sony rootkit, the only difference, not many people know of hdcp
[01:53] <Kr4t05> zipper_: It's like the BluRay vs. HD-DVD war, educate yourself on the pros and cons of each format.
[01:53] <Kr4t05> TheHighChild: Well, people are stupid.
[01:53] <vranikx> nobody can help me? how can i enable direct rendering on nvidia PCI-e card?
[01:53] <zipper_> Kr4t05, what? It's nothing like that war
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> Kr4t05: they do, that's just it - they want to make vista secure, which will put them more on equal terms with linux. People complain about linux being hard to learn and use, add a level of security to it which linux has had all along and suddently that learning curve get's a lot straighter.
[01:53] <Hawkwind> vranikx: Install the nvidia drivers
[01:53] <zipper_> Kr4t05, why would you even say that? hdcp applies to both bluray and hddvd
[01:53] <vranikx> i have nvidia drivers instaled
[01:54] <Kr4t05> zipper_: Whatever, you're right, I'm wrong, Vista sucks, we should all buy Macs.
[01:54] <vranikx> but when i type into konsole glxinfo |grep "direct rendering"
[01:54] <vranikx> i have this: direct rendering: No
[01:54] <Kr4t05> Discussion over.
[01:54] <Hawkwind> vranikx: Have you edited your xorg.conf file appropriately ?
[01:54] <vranikx> i think yes, but maybe i have some mistake
[01:54] <Hawkwind> vranikx: You need to verify that Driver "nv" is Driver "nvidia"
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> I don't really care what MS does, what I DO hate is when people say what linux should do to compete with MS. I don't want linux to compete with [become]  windows. I don't care if it's easy to use like windows is - I care that I can make it do what I want.
[01:55] <vranikx> i have nvidia instead of nv
[01:55] <vranikx> Section "Device"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA Default Card"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Driver  "nvidia"
[01:55] <vranikx>  BusID  "PCI:4:0:0"
[01:55] <vranikx>  Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
[01:55] <vranikx>         Option          "RenderAccel" "true"
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "HWcursor" "Enabled"
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "CursorShadow" "true"
[01:55] <zipper_> Kr4t05, eh? i'm trying to have a sober discussion, i give you arguments for my case, you call me a zealot and talk nonsense about bluray and hddvd, and now you say the discussion is over, like i'm some sort of retard?
[01:55] <vranikx>     Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[01:55] <vranikx> EndSection
[01:55] <hackman2007> how do I take a screenshot with Kubuntu?
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> !paste
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:55] <zipper_> vranikx, DONT PASTE STUFF HERE!
[01:55] <Hawkwind> !pastebin
[01:55] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:55] <vranikx> zipper_: sorry :(
[01:55] <zipper_> hackman2007, try the "print screen" button on your keyboard
[01:56] <hackman2007> what do I paste it to, sorry I'm new with Linux
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> hackman2007: print screen should open ksnapshot.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> read what ubotu said above about pastebin
[01:57] <newbie_1000> I can't download anything with aptitude or apt-get, or adept.
[01:57] <newbie_1000> I get a 101 error.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file so we can look at it.
[01:58] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: k
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: also pastebin your output from apt-get if you would please.
[01:58] <springman> what is the best web page creating program to use in kubuntu?
[01:58] <newbie_1000> of course
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> springman: quanta plus
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: It's all a matter of personal preference really.  Some prefer quanta, some prefer bluefish, some prefer vi
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: Best to use several and decide for yourself
[01:59] <springman> what is easiest?
[01:59] <Bearcat> !seen foot
[01:59] <ubotu> foot is on IRC right now!
[01:59] <springman> Hawkwind: good idea
[01:59] <Hawkwind> springman: Again, personal preference
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> springman: depends on if you know html.
[01:59] <Bearcat> hello foot
[02:00] <springman> k, i am not the best at web, I am more graphix..I am just looking to learn
[02:00] <foot> Bearcat: hi
[02:00] <springman> are these progs on sf.net?
[02:00] <Hawkwind> springman: sudo apt-get install <app>
[02:00] <springman> yea...about that...
[02:00] <Hawkwind> springman: You use Kubuntu's package manager to install them
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> I think bluefish is wysiwyg isn't it? Personally I like quanta/kate - I really don't use many features of quanta but it's nice how it works with projects, easy to navigate when working on multiple pages like php and includes and such.
[02:00] <springman> how do I know what to get if I dont know the exact name of the prog?
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: bluefish, quanta, nvu are three off the top of my head
[02:01] <springman> is that..uhmm...adept?
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: You can search on packages.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <springman> thank you
[02:01] <Hawkwind> springman: You can use Adept as well
[02:01] <foot> Bearcat: ok I didnt get to far, but I am down to the ivtv driver testing phase
[02:01] <springman> I will work on that
[02:01] <springman> thanks guys!!
[02:01] <Bearcat> foot: sweet
[02:01] <Bearcat> foot: what was the problem with it not loading that file?
[02:03] <foot> I think the previouse needed bit got corupted or something in the transfer. I had it in my files, but I traced it back and redownloaded it and that made it work.
[02:03] <foot> Bearcat: took 5 minutes the next morning
[02:03] <Bearcat> foot: lol
[02:03] <Bearcat> foot: that stuff can drive you nuts
[02:03] <foot> Bearcat: yup, but I am learning quick
[02:04] <Bearcat> foot: cool
[02:04] <springman> wow, adept is really cool...thanks for the tip Hawkwind
[02:04] <Bearcat> foot: ok, so what are you attempting now?
[02:05] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20717
[02:06] <foot> Bearcat: just got a fone call from a PI in cali, looking for an eric molet.??? used to have my old house number.
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (1.0.0.0). - connect (101 Network is unreachable)
[02:06] <foot> Bearcat: oh you mean here? ;P
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: that's your problem, it resolved us.archive.ubuntu.com to 1.0.0.0
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: you seem to have a router firmware problem - what kind of router is it? dlink?
[02:07] <foot> Bearcat: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg     cat: /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[02:07] <Bearcat> ahh
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: you have the card installed right?
[02:07] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: Actiontec Wireless DSL Gateway
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: duh, dumb question
[02:07] <foot> now, I already tryied mkdir /dev/video0 and yes the card is installed
[02:07] <Bearcat> foot: ahh, that's  not a dir
[02:08] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: All-in-one router modem wireless device.
[02:08] <foot> Bearcat: after making the new directory it says it is looking for a file and dot a dir.
[02:08] <Bearcat> foot: does the "modprobe ivtv" command give you anything?
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: I've heard of multiple different brands doing this now, d-link has firmware updates I know, but I'm not sure about other brands.
[02:08] <Bearcat> foot: right /dev/video0 is created automatically by your system
[02:09] <foot> so. how do I make the file and shoulded it have already been done? or is that another linux quirk
[02:09] <newbie_1000> brb
[02:09] <foot> yet it has not been
[02:09] <Bearcat> foot: did you try a "modprobe ivtv" ?
[02:09] <foot> Bearcat: not yet...
[02:09] <Bearcat> foot: before you do
[02:09] <foot> Bearcat: damn it
[02:10] <foot> Bearcat: yes?
[02:10] <Bearcat> foot: do a "lsmod |grep ivtv" for me
[02:10] <newbie_1000> stop cursing
[02:10] <Bearcat> newbie_1000: wht?
[02:10] <foot> Bearcat: I want a second moniter for all this stuff
[02:11] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20719
[02:11] <Bearcat> newbie_1000: wait...wait.."damn it" is cursing?
[02:11] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: if you don't have a firmware update available to you for your router/modem I suggest setting yourself with a static IP address on your linux machine instead of using dhcp, and edit /etc/resolv.conf to use your providers DNS servers.
[02:12] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: how do I set the static IP then?
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> In this channel we only allow cursing when referencing MS products :p
[02:12] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: fair enought, but since "damn" is marked as ok by the FCC, i consider it fair game
[02:13] <actinic> actinic@kn8:~$ uptime
[02:13] <actinic>  17:19:34 up 25 days,  8:24,  1 user,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
[02:13] <actinic> one of these days i gotta reboot :)
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000: easiest way is probably to go to system settings -> network
[02:13] <newbie_1000> LeeJunFan: ok ...
[02:14] <springman_> omfg! kubuntu pwns! dood...I havent used windows in almost a week!
[02:14] <actinic> lol, another satisfied customer
[02:14] <springman_> I think I might one day never need windows =P
[02:14] <Hawkwind> LOL @ a week
[02:14] <Bearcat> springman_: i havent used windows for 7 years :)
[02:14] <Hawkwind> Wait til you hit 4 - 5 years :P
[02:14] <springman_> hahah! wow....
[02:15] <springman_> i feel like a n00b
[02:15] <TheHighChild> I've been Windows free(except giving tech support) for a year now
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> 11 yrs here except for gaming and tech support.
[02:15] <Hawkwind> Then you aren't Windows free :P
[02:15] <springman_> hehehe....
[02:15] <TheHighChild> congrats springman_
[02:15] <Hawkwind> Windows free means *no* Windows at all, ever
[02:15] <springman_> thanks! i appreciate that
[02:15] <Bearcat> Hawkwind: does WINE count?
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> I need my helicopter sims and first person shooters.
[02:15] <Hawkwind> springman_: It only gets better from here
[02:15] <actinic> so when u guys migrate to BSD are u going to say the same thing about linux, lol :)
[02:16] <TheHighChild> Hawkwind: Gotta make a living and without Windows, there's no such thing as a tech industry or at least not nearly at this scale
[02:16] <Hawkwind> Bearcat: Count for what ?  A trashcan stuffer!  You don't leave Windows for Linux to turn around and emulate Windows within Linux.  Total contradiction and IMO is quite pointless
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> TheHighChild: yep, if MS suddenly either went tits-up or started making good software I'd have to find a new line of work :)
[02:16] <springman_> true, I guess I havent been *windows free*...I have been doing some tech support...just phone stuff, not touching it at all
[02:16] <TheHighChild> no kiddding right? LeeJunFan
[02:17] <Bearcat> Hawkwind: good. Cause i can't run WINE anyway. I have no multilib set up on my distro :)
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> I also have to use windows for multimedia stuff on my cellphone. :(
[02:17] <Hawkwind> Bearcat: You don't want to run that junky software anyways.  If the best tool for the job is Windows, then simply run Windows
[02:17] <TheHighChild> springman_ don't let zealots get your down. 95% of "linux users" are forced into Windows and non-OSS software almost everyday
[02:18] <Bearcat> TheHighChild: there is no windows software, but i am in that 95% as i run the nvidia binaries :)
[02:18] <m_tadeu> hi...kubuntu is not detecting my modem...whats wrong?
[02:18] <springman_> Hey, on that note...has everyone seen that video about microsoft's voice recognition software crashing hardcore on them during ht eworld premier demo!!??
[02:18] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: codeweavers crossover is static - it'll run on 64bit.
[02:18] <springman_> TheHighChild: thanks, I am not using it for my personal systems at least....
[02:18] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: not if you don't have a multi-lib set up
[02:19] <foot> I made the brilient desiscion to trust a fairly feline friend and forgo windows for the forseeable future.  we will se how this continues going...
[02:19] <springman_> What is MS gonna do when more people are enlightened by OSS?
[02:19] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: worked fine on mine. no multilib.
[02:19] <foot> if only I could speel
[02:19] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: really? is your stuff compiled or binary installs
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: binary, the codeweavers is commercial - you don't get the source.
[02:20] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: how would I find out my ISP's DNS server(s)?
[02:20] <dsl_> i found a bug in the kubuntu installer :^
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: normally you can get into your router's setup page and see the DNS servers in the status page.
[02:21] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: no, i mean the rest of your stuff. I mean my whole system (aside from the nvidia driver is compiled, so binary 32-bit stuff may not work as well as for you.
[02:21] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: oh, yes
[02:21] <newbie_1000_> Funny, this used to work, and then sporadically it didn't work.
[02:21] <dsl_> it allows you to specify "root" as your username, which causes problems after the install is complere :^
[02:21] <springman_> a bug? is it video related?
[02:21] <springman_> dsl_: I found that the installer h8's my video card..
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: this was a standard kubuntu breezy install I was running codeweavers on.
[02:22] <dsl_> sp join the clubringman,
[02:22] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: right. Binary
[02:22] <actinic> springman_, i think MS shareholders are asking the same question.  check it out: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=5y
[02:22] <foot> Bearcat: what does modprob do?
[02:22] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: of course you need to compile your kernel with the option to run 32bit.
[02:22] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: i use sourcemage (like Gento but bash run instead of perl), so my stuff may have mor problem with 32-bit hooks
[02:23] <dsl_> springman, join the club :P it hates mine too, what card are you using?
[02:23] <m_tadeu> where's the best place to find help about modems?
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: I forgot that once, and of course wondered why openoffice and codeweavers didn't work for an hour or so :-/
[02:24] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: not to make myself look too lame - I didn't try running either of those for a couple weeks after compiling so it wasn't totally apparent that was the problem.
[02:24] <dsl_> anyone else in here having issues getting the nvidia drivers off the apt server for kubunutu working stabily?
[02:25] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: yeah, those think will trip you up. I got ahead of myself and tried to get selinux working. It was secure alright! Even I couldn't get in!
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: it's sometimes luck of the draw, you've probably got 2 DNS servers or more listed in /etc/resolv.conf and probably only one of them is the bad one, so when whatever app you run uses the bad one it will fail. like roulette.
[02:25] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: been there too.
[02:26] <springman_> BTW: where do you go to check your video resolution and screen size?
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: well, it worked.
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> springman_: not there.
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> LeeJunFan: Thanks a lot.
[02:26] <newbie_1000_> cya all
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> newbie_1000_: welcome.
[02:27] <m_tadeu> how can I find which dev is my modem?
[02:28] <cracker017> hi everyone
[02:28] <Darkkish> !repository > darkkish
[02:28] <foot> Bearcat: r u there?  here kitty kitty
[02:31] <cracker017> does anyone know if there is a way to use kubuntu with a wireless connection?
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: I hope so, I'm doing it now.
[02:31] <cracker017> Huh? Really?
[02:32] <Bearcat> foot: yess foo?
[02:32] <Bearcat> foot: i''m here
[02:32] <foot> Bearcat: did ja look at the lsmod?
[02:32] <Kr4t05> !wifi > cracker017
[02:33] <cracker017> Well, I mean, I can't use the internet on Kubuntu if I use the Live CD. I can only have internet access on Kubuntu if I use WMware Player..
[02:33] <cracker017> ok
[02:33] <cracker017> I'll check out the link; thanks.
[02:33] <m_tadeu> !modem
[02:33] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:33] <foot> any one know why amarok will work on one login but not on the others?
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: not sure about the livecd. There is the possibility that whatever wireless card you have doesn't have linux support.
[02:34] <Bearcat> foot: no, i didn't look. Did you give me a link?
[02:34] <cracker017> LeeJunFan: Yeah, most likely. :(
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: although that list is getting pretty short. Most cards are supported one way or another. Most easily, some not so easy.
[02:34] <foot> Bearcat: yup here it is again http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20719
[02:35] <cracker017> Also, I'm pretty sure if I just use my ethernet card, I'll be fine
[02:35] <cracker017> My router is in the living room.
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: do you know what kind of wireless card/chipset you have?
[02:36] <cracker017> Yes.
[02:36] <cracker017> I have a Linksys WMP54GX.
[02:36] <Bearcat> foot: looks good
[02:36] <mayday_jay> I'm having a rendering issue on an Intel 915GM, from what I can tell it may be a mesa issue, I get only a partial screen in things like GL screensavers, and Google Earth, can anyone offer any insight?
[02:36] <Bearcat> foot: do you have a /dev/video/video0 ?
[02:37] <Bearcat> foot: keep in mind 0 == zero
[02:37] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: it would appear [at first google]  that that card is not supported with linux.
[02:37] <cracker017> Yeah, thanks for the info.
[02:38] <cracker017> Do you think it will work if I just use my ethernet card?
[02:38] <foot> Bearcat: no video0
[02:38] <Bearcat> foot: hmmm
[02:39] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: it should.
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: are you using livecd now?
[02:41] <cracker017> No
[02:41] <cracker017> Using Windows XP now.
[02:41] <Bearcat> foot: i'm looking up stuff for you
[02:41] <foot> Bearcat: cool
[02:41] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: when you boot up livecd open a konsole and run 'ifconfig -a' if you see eth0 listed there then it's pretty safe to say your network card is supported.
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: even if it's not plugged in at the moment. But if it works with livecd it'll work with installed kubuntu.
[02:42] <cracker017> Are you talking about my ethernet or wireless card?
[02:42] <LeeJunFan> cracker017: ethernet
[02:43] <cracker017> Ok
[02:44] <cracker017> Well, it's listed in the Network Configuration
[02:45] <zipper_> I've been working hard on fixing my soundcard, including installing wierd modules and drivers. Is there any way i can return to basics, using the default module for my soundcard?
[02:48] <mayday_jay> Does anyone have experience correcting GL rendering issues on Intel 915GM based video?
[02:48] <Bearcat> foot: what do you get with "ls -l /dev/vid*" ?
[02:48] <dsl_> anyone else expirence any issues with the nvidia drivers on kubuntu's apt server?
[02:49] <foot> Bearcat: ls: /dev/vid*: No such file or directory
[02:50] <dsl_> springman_, any luck with your graphics card?
[02:51] <ironfroggy> is there any way (or projects for future abilities) to have some kind of applets in screensavers. for example, so you could add media player controls that can be used without unlocking the session.
[02:51] <Bearcat> folks, i donno why foot doesn't have a /dev/video0 with his idtv driver loaded, but does kubuntu use udev?
[02:53] <Bearcat> <.<  >.>
[02:53] <Bearcat> Anyone?
[02:53] <LeeJunFan> yes, it does
[02:54] <set_follower> ok ive just left windows and am trying linux for the first time....
[02:54] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: and if he has no /dev/video0 shoud i create one manually, adjust /etc/udev/ or run apt-get configure [somthingorother] 
[02:54] <LeeJunFan> maybe grep dmesg for some useful module info or something?
[02:55] <ironfroggy> set_follower: congratulations! prepare for pain and spiffiness, at the same time!
[02:55] <Bearcat> yeah foot, do a "dmesg |grep idtv" for me will you?
[02:55] <set_follower> yeah thats what im seeing.
[02:55] <foot> Bearcat: ok
[02:55] <set_follower> havent used command line since dos.
[02:55] <Bearcat> foot: thanx
[02:55] <set_follower> any suggestions on where i might find a decent crash course online?
[02:55] <foot> Bearcat: nothin happened but a nother command line.
[02:56] <zipper_> set_follower, the linux command line is way more powerfull than dos ever was
[02:56] <set_follower> thats what ium told
[02:56] <zipper_> set_follower, anything specific you're looking for?
[02:56] <Bearcat> foot: hmm
[02:56] <ironfroggy> but honestly, you dont even need it. just because its there doesnt mean you'll use it. do you see some reason you want to do command line work?
[02:56] <set_follower> seeing an ntfs drive for starters
[02:57] <ironfroggy> trying to dual boot?
[02:57] <ironfroggy> and share data on the ntfs partition?
[02:57] <set_follower> ive got alot of data saved on my ntfs drive
[02:57] <set_follower> music etc...
[02:57] <Bearcat> foot: please do the following "depmod; modprobe ivtv; dmesg | tail -25"
[02:58] <zipper_> set_follower, didnt the install find your ntfs partitions?
[02:58] <ironfroggy> bu t you dont need to use the command line for that.
[02:58] <ironfroggy> go into System Settings -> Disk & Filesystems
[03:00] <set_follower> ntfs is kinda secondary. the situation is i have a lacie external hard drive that is ntfs. but in order to access it i have to run a login app that is an .exe
[03:00] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20720
[03:00] <ironfroggy> You'll see the partition there and you just need to configure the mount point and filesystem of the partition.
[03:00] <ironfroggy> wait you need an EXE to use the harddrive?
[03:00] <set_follower> yesh
[03:00] <zipper_> set_follower, looks like you're in for a whole lot of fun
[03:00] <springman_> dsl: Sorry I was AFK...
[03:01] <ironfroggy> ouch.
[03:01] <Bearcat> foot: one moment
[03:01] <set_follower> yeah thats what i figured
[03:01] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: looks like it was already either loaded or just doesn't have any output. Unsuccessful load would have said something.
[03:02] <zipper_> set
[03:02] <zipper_> set_follower, you could try google to find if there's any linux applications that will do the same as that .exe file of yours
[03:02] <set_follower> yeah i should
[03:02] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: well a modprobe wouldn't show up in dmesg anyway. Wouldnt; it show up in the main log file (whatever that is for syslogd)?
[03:02] <Bearcat> ahh, yes /var/log/message
[03:03] <user_> Darkkish are you still in the wine channel ?
[03:03] <Bearcat> foot: "cat /var/log/message |grep ivtv"
[03:04] <foot> Bearcat: cat: /var/log/message: No such file or directory
[03:04] <Bearcat> O.o
[03:04] <foot> Bearcat: did I miss  a line?
[03:04] <Bearcat> foot: cat /var/log/current
[03:04] <Bearcat> er..
[03:04] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: it should show up in dmesg, but dmesg will only show so far back. And if the module was already loaded when he modprobed it or it inserted cleanly it may not put anything new to klog.
[03:04] <Bearcat> foot: ls /var/log/current
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: cat: /var/log/current: No such file or directory
[03:05] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ahh
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: ls: /var/log/current: No such file or directory
[03:05] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: what would cause there not to be  /var/log/video0 ?
[03:05] <foot> Bearcat: pause, brb
[03:06] <LeeJunFan>  /var/log/messages -- s
[03:06] <user_> anyone know if there are any drivers for the ati tv wonder ?
[03:06] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: what does that do? (i cant' test it, i use metalog)
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: that's the correct file - not /var/log/message
[03:07] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ohh! du!
[03:07] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: but perhaps /var/log/kern.log is better for modules.
[03:08] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: thank you. This would be much easier if foot an i had the same distro, but i wasn't going to give him a gentoo like system his first time out :)
[03:08] <set_follower> ok heres one...  i have another hard drive in this machine that shows up in the "disk and filesystems" area. that im not sure how to enable
[03:09] <nixternal> !pastebin
[03:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> Bearcat: is idtv something that comes with nvidia drivers or something? I don't have that module in any of my /lib/modules dirs.
[03:11] <user_> i noticed ubuntu has a add remove thing to install applications http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/add-remove.png is this on kubuntu too ?
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> maybe lsmod | grep idtv to make sure it's loaded?
[03:14] <Bearcat> LeeJunFan: ivtv are the drivers to load hauppage tv card drivers
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: It doesn't have that exact application pre-installed, but there is another one which works just as well.
[03:15] <user_> is that adept ?
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: Yep
[03:15] <user_> cool
[03:16] <set_follower> ok heres one...  i have another hard drive in this machine that shows up in the "disk and filesystems" area. that im not sure how to enable it.
[03:16] <user_> is it possible to get ati tv wonder pro working ?
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> user_: Now that, I can't answer.
[03:16] <user_> ok :)
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: Is it in /media ?
[03:16] <set_follower> it is not
[03:16] <user_> set_follower you need to mount the drive
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell set_follower about mount
[03:16] <user_> is it a ntfs drive
[03:16] <zipper_> user_, did it work?
[03:17] <zipper_> user_, the resolution i mean?
[03:17] <user_> oh no :) the display settings wont display its settings now :)
[03:17] <set_follower> i do not believe so. i think its ext3 or something like that
[03:18] <user_> i couldnt remeber the wine channel we were in
[03:18] <zipper_> user_, i figured... try using 1280x720 instead of 1366x768
[03:18] <user_> ok
[03:18] <zipper_> user_, #kubuntu_wine
[03:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: did ubotu msg you?
[03:18] <set_follower> it did. but im not sure what it all means
[03:20] <user_> set_follower i had to do mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt hope this helps
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: Hmm, I am not much of a mount expert, I shall now resort Google. Hold on for a few minutes.
[03:20] <user_> you may be able to try mount -a /dev/sda1 /mnt
[03:20] <set_follower> ok ill try that konsole command
[03:21] <set_follower> whats the diff between -t and -a?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Isn't sda if you have a SATA drive?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> IIRC -a mounts everything in your fstab.
[03:21] <user_> -t specifies the fstype and -a is auto
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Or what user_ said. ;)
[03:21] <user_> set_follower go to media:/ in konq
[03:22] <user_> :) yeah everything in fstab
[03:22] <user_> find the drive in there right click properties to find out the /dev name
[03:23] <set_follower> hdb1
[03:23] <set_follower> tried that command....
[03:23] <set_follower> this is gonna sound very stupid.....
[03:24] <set_follower> i dont know how to log into root from the console...
[03:24] <user_> ok try mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:24] <user_> you need to sudo -i first
[03:24] <user_> sudo -i
[03:24] <user_> and your user password
[03:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> set_follower: use sudo <command> (or, as user_ suggested as I typed, sudo -i)
[03:24] <set_follower> wrong fs type
[03:25] <user_> ok now type dmesg
[03:25] <user_> and see what the error said when trying to mount
[03:25] <set_follower> cant find ext3 filesystem on the drive
[03:26] <user_> anyone know how set_follower can identify the fstype of /dev/hdb1 ?
[03:27] <user_> i guess its not ext3
[03:27] <set_follower> i guess not
[03:28] <user_> try mount -t fat /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:28] <profoX`> chavo: liked te old screen better :D but the new one is fine too (compiz.net)
[03:28] <user_> and mount -t fat32 /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[03:28] <profoX`> s/te/the
[03:28] <user_> see if one of those works
[03:28] <ching_> #peace
[03:28] <user_> i only know how to mount but not sure how you can find out the fstype
[03:28] <set_follower> uknown file system  for fat and fat32
[03:29] <user_> maybe try fdisk /dev/hdb1
[03:29] <set_follower> i used to have a utility here that let me make partiotions and fromat but its no longer in me menu
[03:29] <set_follower> nop not fdisk
[03:32] <Ozux> hi,
[03:33] <Ozux> Any body who can run Qemu with Network support?
[03:33] <user_> try system settings, disk & filesystems at the bottom
[03:33] <user_> set follower [above] 
[03:33] <set_follower> got that open alreaady
[03:34] <set_follower> i do see it in there
[03:34] <user_> and have a look under the type column
[03:34] <set_follower> blank....
[03:34] <user_> is there a type next to it ?
[03:34] <user_> ok
[03:34] <user_> is it an empty drive
[03:34] <set_follower> ok
[03:35] <set_follower> how do we format itthen?
[03:36] <user_> lol i used that other Qpart prog on the live cd :)
[03:36] <user_> just creat partition then format it
[03:37] <set_follower> under new?
[03:37] <user_> yep i think i just right clicked
[03:37] <set_follower> ok whatst this "mount point"
[03:37] <user_> deleted any partitions already there
[03:38] <user_> then create a new 1 and formatted it
[03:38] <foot> Bearcat: ok I am back
[03:38] <user_> anyone want to help set_follower creat and format a kubuntu compatable partition ?
[03:39] <set_follower> there seemed to be a better way to do this when i was running off the cd instead of the install
[03:39] <user_> mount point is /mnt drive to mount is /dev/hdb1
[03:39] <user_> yeah it was that Qparted prog
[03:40] <user_> maybe reboot off cd
[03:40] <set_follower> yeah...
[03:40] <user_> then boot back into installed version after a format and mount the drive :)
[03:40] <user_> rebbot to live and you can still get on IRC
[03:41] <user_> i need new fingers they keep bashing the wrong keys lol :)
[03:41] <set_follower> i think i might have it fixed. gonna reboot.
[03:41] <user_> k
[03:43] <foot> Bearcat:thanks to the short time I had my external music drive hooked to a winblows viruse ridden carcus, I now have the album, James Bond-Percussionists of Guinee
[03:43] <Bearcat> i've never hear them. Are they good?
[03:45] <Bearcat> foot: i just discovered an artist you should hear, if you haven't.  Youssou N'Dour?
[03:46] <foot> Bearcat: looking for him or her now
[03:47] <foot> Bearcat: their percussionists. not bad, but wear a helmit
[03:47] <Bearcat> foot: lol
[03:50] <foot> Bearcat: any luck?
[03:52] <Bearcat> no
[03:53] <Bearcat> foot: try cat /var/log/kern |grep ivtv
[03:53] <foot> Bearcat: well what did LeeJunFan have to say?
[03:54] <user_> i like the way the download manager resumes from a stall
[03:54] <foot> LeeJunFan: no such but hang on a sec let me try something
[03:55] <user_> has anyone managed to get VMWARE workstation installed ? was it easy ?
[03:55] <Bearcat> foot: sorry it was kern.log not kern
[03:56] <foot> Bearcat: ahh
[03:56] <dungkal> user_: i haven't tried installing VMWARE since the last two years. it was very easy and i assume it is much easier nowadays.
[03:56] <user_> cool :)
[03:57] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20725
[03:58] <dungkal> user_: I understand VMWare workstation demo version now lasts less than 15 days (?) so instead of installing it over and over again, you're forced to buy a licensed one if you really need to use it.
[03:59] <user_> i could just use the free player
[03:59] <Bearcat> foot: you say you fixed it this morning?
[04:00] <foot> Bearcat: no yesterday I fixed the previous problem
[04:00] <Bearcat> foot: but look at the end of what you posted
[04:01] <user_> dungkal i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMWarePlayerAndWindowsHOWTO
[04:01] <dungkal> user_: you better. :-)
[04:02] <user_> it says use sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[04:02] <user_> but this doesnt work ?
[04:02] <dungkal> no idea about it, let me see.
[04:02] <WarOfAttrition> you probably need the repos enabled
[04:02] <user_> ok it is from the ubuntu wiki rather than kubuntu
[04:03] <user_> there is no mention of a repository
[04:04] <WarOfAttrition> try searching synaptic for vm
[04:04] <foot> Bearcat: there is no hotplug dir
[04:05] <dungkal> user_: it still should work. i'm trying to download and installing now. i'll keep you posted. or better yet, try it now. :-)
[04:05] <Bearcat> foot: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
[04:06] <dungkal> user_: so long as you've got 'multiverse' in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you'll be fine.
[04:06] <evi11> help
[04:06] <user_> oh ok
[04:06] <evi11> my kubuntu boot manager is not working
[04:06] <evi11> i get a error17 when i try to boot
[04:07] <evi11> how do i fix this with a live cd
[04:07] <foot> Bearcat: ok there are a few files here
[04:07] <Bearcat> foot: what are they?
[04:07] <tdmg> Hey guys, I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop and I have a host of problems, so any help is welcomed.  First problem is my internet access, my wireless card isn't recognized or something, because I can't get online, so that's the first major problem.  Second problem is that I can't get my setting correct for my second monitor, it either uses only the laptop screen or the external (with poor resolution).  Third problem is th
[04:08] <user_> how do i add multiverse ?
[04:08] <foot> Bearcat: what is that  ls /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware    ?
[04:08] <Bearcat> foot: yeah
[04:08] <Bearcat> foot: have you rebooted recently?
[04:09] <evi11> yea i really ned help with grub
[04:09] <foot> Bearcat: yes
[04:09] <Bearcat> foot: alright
[04:09] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20726
[04:10] <dungkal> user_, sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list. then add 'multiverse' to any line starting with deb.
[04:10] <dungkal> user_, run the command on Konsole.
[04:10] <Bearcat> foot: brb
[04:11] <foot> Bearcat: k
[04:12] <user_> like this
[04:12] <user_> multiverse deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[04:12] <dungkal> user_, add the word at the end of line.
[04:13] <user_> do i have to do it for all lines
[04:13] <dungkal> yes.
[04:13] <user_> but not deb-src ?
[04:14] <user_> so its restricted <space> multiverse ?
[04:14] <user_> do i want universe in there aswell ?
[04:14] <evi11> so is there any way to repair my masterboot record with a live cd?
[04:14] <scotty> What is the Kubuntu equivelant of Adobe Reader?
[04:15] <tdmg> did anyone actually read my post, or should I break up my questions into smaller chunks? :-/
[04:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> scotty: kpdf?
[04:15] <scotty> CheeseBurgerMan, does that come standard with Kubuntu?
[04:16] <Bearcat> hey foot can you do the following for me? "rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv" and then give me the output of "tail -50 /var/log/kern.log"  thanx
[04:16] <tk> tdmg: I would say break it down, your sentence got cut off after "third"
[04:16] <tk> scotty: yes
[04:16] <tk> its under your tools menu I believe
[04:16] <scotty> thank you, tk
[04:17] <dungkal> user_, yes, even deb-src. and please add universe as well.
[04:17] <user_> ok
[04:17] <foot> Bearcat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20727
[04:17] <tdmg> thanks tk, really, what I need first is to get my wireless working, and then get my monitors set up
[04:17] <tdmg> can anyone help me get my wireless up? :D
[04:17] <tk> mine didnt work either... i use my nic
[04:17] <foot> anyone know why the screen savers that kubuntu comes with are mosly only half screen or less?
[04:18] <user_> did it work for you ? dungkal ?
[04:18] <tk> as for monitors... if you are in an nvidia, you need to make sure your drive is nvidia, not nv
[04:18] <user_> i cant try yet as im running AMD64 ver 7 mins left till i have i386 ver
[04:18] <pierreth> hello
[04:18] <scotty> tk, this is incredibly newbie, but I'm brand new to Kubuntu. Where is the tools menu? All I see is utilities, and it's not under that
[04:19] <scotty> (I'm running 6.06 LTS, btw)
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> scotty: It's under Graphics for me.
[04:19] <scotty> okay, I'll look
[04:19] <tdmg> tk, I need my wireless to work, got any ideas?
[04:19] <dungkal> having a problem with compatibility with kernel. but i'm troubleshooting it. seems i'm on the right track.
[04:19] <tk> tdmg: nada, like I said, I gave up on mine :P
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubotu: tell tdmg about ndiswrapper
[04:20] <scotty> found it
[04:20] <scotty> thanks a bunch CheeseBurgerMan
[04:20] <pierreth> how can i uninstall kubuntu?
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome. :)
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> pierreth: Formatting the partition should uninstall it nicely.
[04:20] <user_> did vmware work dungkal ?
[04:21] <tdmg> tk, you are basically telling me I can't use Kubuntu then, because I can't use a wire :-/
[04:21] <tk> tdmg: no, I am telling you I cant use my wireless, not that you cant or that it wont work, my needs are met, I didnt serch farther
[04:21] <dungkal> as i said, am troubleshooting the install problem. it has to do with kernel compatibility.
[04:21] <user_> lol
[04:22] <dungkal> user_, currently downloading the appropriate linux headers needed by the player for the correct install.
[04:22] <user_> 4 mins left and we can  try and solve it
[04:22] <dungkal> great. :-)
[04:22] <Bearcat> Most syslogd programs give you time in UTC, right? Where is UTC based out of?
[04:23] <foot> Bearcat: we have a thunderstorm comming in outside, so I think it mighntt be prudent to turn this sucker off
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: good idea.
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: fear not. We'll get it. If not you can always install Win XP
[04:23] <foot> Bearcat: NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:23] <Bearcat> foot: another idea is to get a BVT based card. I can talk to you about that when you are on-line next.
[04:24] <Bearcat> foot: they are cheep
[04:24] <Bearcat> foot: till later my friend
[04:24] <foot> ok why dont I do that first? before going to windows?
[04:24] <user_> dungkal join kubuntu_vmware
[04:24] <foot> later...
[04:24] <Bearcat> *scampers off*
[04:25] <actinic> Kubuntu folding team started: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[04:25] <actinic> let's kick some ass
[04:28] <geneo93> !skype
[04:28] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:29] <tdmg> tk, I got my wireless to work, but what did you say about how to set up my dual monitors?
[04:37] <scotty> !ndiswrapper
[04:37] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:46] <tdmg> can someone here help me out with setting up Kubuntu
[04:46] <tdmg> I'm pretty much a beginner, and I can't get my drivers set or Adept to work :-/
[04:47] <ironfroggy> what does what that you dont think it should do?
[04:48] <tdmg> I can't get my graphics card drivers up, I can't set up my dual monitors, I can't get adept to update for me......lots of stuff
[04:48] <Kiongku> O_o
[04:48] <ironfroggy> what card?
[04:49] <ironfroggy> and if you cant get it setup how is X working?
[04:49] <tdmg> nVidia GeForce Go 7600
[04:49] <tdmg> I'm looking at the list of nVidias, and I can't find it :-/
[04:50] <actinic> tdmg, use EasyUbuntu to get you set up: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:51] <user_> im trying to burn the i386 dvd iso and k3b keeps complaining about wrong media type ?
[04:51] <tdmg> thanks actinic :D
[04:52] <actinic> tdmg, no problem and please consider joining the kubuntu folding team: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[04:55] <tdmg> actinic, I'll bookmark it for later, I want to be configured first :D
[04:55] <Kiongku> lol interesting folding team
[04:57] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hi
[04:57] <tdmg> wait, I just used EasyUbuntu, but nothing seems to have changed....did I not do it right? :-/
[04:57] <user_> i cant get k3b to work to burn i386 iso
[04:58] <KF6AAQ> tdmg, i'm a nub here...but I tried easyubunto on my 64 bit computer and no luck. I tried it on my laptop i386 and it worked great!
[04:59] <tdmg> I have an i386.......
[04:59] <KF6AAQ> ok, did you follow the instructions on that website...the wget or whatever it said?
[04:59] <tk> actinic: if you didnt hear the other day, I have that running on my lappy, still havent finished first packet though)
[05:00] <nalioth> !coc
[05:00] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:01] <KF6AAQ> I would try the commands again for easyubuntu. I think it first downloads the install files, once you run it, it should download the rest.
[05:01] <tdmg> I tried it again
[05:01] <tdmg> I'm really just lost
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> easyubuntu web site has been hacing some issues last week.. perhaps its affecting other parts as well.
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> It pays to learn how to do it all manually. :P
[05:02] <tdmg> I was using Breezy all nice and happy just 5 months ago, but I'm lost all over again :-/
[05:02] <tdmg> and I didn't have EasyUbuntu back then
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Linux FUNdamentals are still the same.
[05:02] <tdmg> can someone just guide me through the steps I need to setup my computer
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  i just got here... set up what excatly?
[05:03] <kyeyekkarn> What's the best way to network an XP and ubuntu machine?
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  by 'network' you mean access shared directories?
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> just plug them both into a network and they are 'networked' :P
[05:04] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, thanks, I just installed Kubuntu, so nothing is setup
[05:04] <tdmg> I need all my drivers
[05:04] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, ok sorry I should have been more specific. I want to enable filesharing between two networked computers (one Xp and the other Ubuntu)
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  ok thats a little more info.. drivers for what? :P
[05:04] <tdmg> I can't get adept to update me
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  thats odd.. are you using the box now to irc?
[05:05] <tdmg> graphics drivers firstly
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  that would be 'samba'
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  that you need to install first. :P
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> !info samba
[05:05] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu3.1 (dapper), package size 2778 kB, installed size 7080 kB
[05:05] <tdmg> well, my Lbox is online all right, but adept isn't connecting
[05:05] <tdmg> I'm on my desktop for IRC
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  could be the servers are having issues again.
[05:06] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, Ok that's what I thought. Is there a guide somewhere on how to use it and how to configure things from both the LIinux and windows side? heh
[05:06] <tobias__> how do i turn off sound in kubuntu?
[05:06] <kyeyekkarn> I just installed it and the daemon is running... but that's all I've done
[05:07] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, so what about my nVidia drivers?
[05:07] <tobias__> my speakers are really tormenting my buddy trying to sleep
[05:07] <tobias__> please help
[05:07] <erich_> Hello
[05:07] <tobias__> what do i do?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  the definitve guide is the online 'using samba book'
[05:08] <tobias__> save me:(
[05:08] <tobias__> before he wakes up
[05:08] <erich_> I'm really new to linux, and i'm wondering: How do i install repositories?
[05:08] <tobias__> anyone know how to turn off the sound in kubuntu?
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> kyeyekkarn,  in short you install samba packages, do a 'sudo smbpasswd -a LINUXUSERNAME' and perhaps edit the samba.conf to enable writeable home shares.
[05:08] <dungkal> tobias_, don't you see a speaker icon on the toolbar below?
[05:08] <CPUFreak91> Is there any way to keep Kubuntu 6.06 from running slowly on a lappy with 256MB of ram?
[05:08] <kyeyekkarn> Dr_Willis, thanks :)
[05:08] <tobias__> no?
[05:08] <dungkal> click on it and check mute.
[05:08] <cl187> CPUFreak91: memory upgrade
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[05:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:09] <tdmg> thanks :D
[05:09] <cl187> !wireless
[05:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:10] <CPUFreak91> cl187: hmm since that's not an option, maybe Xubuntu
[05:10] <tobias__> thanks
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> CPUFreak91,  use a real light window manager.. not a full desktop..  somthing like fluxbox, icewm, windowmaker
[05:11] <dungkal> then, K-Menu->Multimedia->Kmix. then turn off Master and/or PCM.
[05:11] <ironfroggy> flash movies only have sound when shown in konquerer, not firefox. how can i fix that issue?
[05:12] <CPUFreak91> Dr_Willis: ok
[05:17] <cl187> ok loading back up ubuntu
[05:17] <cl187> wish me luck on getting wireless
[05:18] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, that nVidia driver guide is confusing me, because it's made for Ubuntu, so I keep getting lost in the repository menu :-/
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  yep. i told the guid makers that thaty should just use the shell..
[05:19] <cl187> and back on new pc
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> in short. enable all the repos. then search/install the packages..
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> or install synaptic - then use it - and follow the guide. :P
[05:20] <tdmg> you lost me
[05:20] <tdmg> I don't know how to enable them all or any of that
[05:20] <tdmg> I'm a newbie :P
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:20] <cl187> hmmm
[05:21] <cl187> whats STOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory
[05:21] <tdmg> I don't want more software.........
[05:21] <cl187> when trying to turn on wireless
[05:21] <erich_> What's the diff between synaptic and adept?
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  synaptic is the one used in 99% of the guides/docs for one :P
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> and its also the apt-get gui standard in many other disrtos for anotehr
[05:21] <tdmg> Is there a selfless human being out there that will hold my hand? *cries*
[05:21] <erich_> So it's better to have then adept?
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> its like the FIRST thng i normally install on a new kubuntu isntall . :P
[05:22] <mayday_jay> Anyone know if there is a fix or workaround for the  "[i915]  GL screensavers only drawn on top 1/3 of screen" bug ?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> and i think it should be included  in the kubuntu installs.  Just because  it makes keeping the docs/guides easier
[05:23] <erich_> I'll go install in then :)
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> I rarely ever use adept
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: that wont happen - adding synaptic to kubuntu installs.
[05:24] <erich_> Why not?
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Hobbsee,  still wont change my oponion. :P
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: true that
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> but i also want a ubuntu dvd that has Kde+gnome+xfce
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mayday_jay: yeah, install...um...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mayday_jay: kscreensavers-xsavers
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> and DONT have those windows versions of stuff. :P
[05:25] <Hobbsee> that problem goes away with edgy, iirc.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> s/edgy/kde 3.5.4/
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> of course i also think that Openoffice dont need to be in the -Desktop metapackage either.
[05:25] <cl187> wtf is this error lol
[05:25] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: koffice isnt really stable enough to use it instead :(
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> I use abiword
[05:25] <mayday_jay> thx...
[05:25] <Hobbsee> cl187: which error?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> but it seems for a while OOo was getting constantly updated.. and i never used it.. but i dident want to break the -desktop packages. :)
[05:26] <cl187> Hobbsee i'm trying to set up my wireless... googling the error atm, but it is "SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory" when trying sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[05:27] <cl187> lol
[05:27] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: true.  there was an upstream release, then it failed to build a few times, or something.  that's what happened in edgy at least
[05:27] <cl187> i think i found the answer, just need to find the fireware
[05:27] <Hobbsee> cl187: ahhh...that...eek.  dont remember the solutoin to that
[05:28] <erich_> How can i set program defaults, like make xmms default to play music?
[05:28] <tdmg> okay
[05:28] <tdmg> I'm lost with this nVidia guide
[05:28] <cl187> yeah both my bcm43xx drivers are missing firmware so it seems
[05:28] <cl187> just need to know where to get it and where to put it
[05:28] <cl187> can you help me there?
[05:28] <tdmg> can some just help me get these drivers up? *sigh*
[05:29] <farous> cl187: do you know fwcutter
[05:29] <Hobbsee> !wifi
[05:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <Hobbsee> in that lot somewhere?
[05:29] <cl187> damn, was hopping to not have to read threw it all lol
[05:29] <cl187> thanks tho
[05:29] <Hobbsee> cl187: not all of them.  just the relevant one
[05:29] <farous> cl187: you need fwcutter and a bcmwl5.sys drive to extract the firmware
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  in short you install  the linux-restricted-modules for your kernel. and the nvidia-glx package
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  then you run   sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:30] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I need the long.......
[05:30] <tdmg> sorry......
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  install synaptic, enable the repos they say  bu checking on the right box's - search for nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386   install them.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> then run that last command from the terminal
[05:31] <tdmg> I really need to "know" how to do this, not get around it
[05:31] <cl187> does tiny-nvidia-installer come with ubuntu?
[05:32] <KF6AAQ> Dr_Willis, Any idea on how i can get my Linksys WUSB 11B wifi card to work? It's not detecting it.
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  sudo apt-get install synaptic, then  kdesu synaptic
[05:32] <tdmg> I'm probably being an idiot, but I would rather use Adept
[05:32] <carlos> whats the special thing about the "tiny" in those nvidia drivers?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  you are on your own then.
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> synaptic is THE standard gui tool for apt-get stuff.  in most every disrto that uses apt-get
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> i dont even knwo if adept has the checkbox/items to enable the right repos.
[05:33] <erich_> I suggest you get synaptic with 'sudo apt-get install synaptic'
[05:33] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: there's also aptitude
[05:33] <unix_infidel> :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> unix_infidel,  or there could be some nice guide that just tells how to do it all from the shell.. (best answer!)
[05:34] <tdmg> there isn't anyone here that knows how to use Kubuntu to install some of the most basic drivers on the market?  (not an insult to you Dr_Willis, you do it your way, which works for you)
[05:34] <unix_infidel> Dr_Willis: heck, dont get snooty with me.
[05:34] <unix_infidel> :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> heh :P
[05:34] <unix_infidel> i use apt and dpkg :P
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  fire up adept.. go to the manage repositories menu item and enable them all.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  then follow the guide
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> unless ya want to know how us Old-timers enable the repos. :)
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> Linux Fact #10381  theres always a dozen ways to do anything.
[05:36] <kaboodle> heh: man pages: understandable once you don't need them any more
[05:36] <erich_> What's linux fact #10180?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> kaboodle,  i got an old Redhat Book thats most of theman pages printed.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  thats "when you mention 12 ways to do somthing.. someone comes up with a 13th'
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:37] <kaboodle> haha
[05:37] <erich_> Ahh
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Linux mentality is "supply the tools for the user to do the job they want to do"   - not "hold the users hand and guuide them through what the PROGRAMER thinks the user will want to do"
[05:38] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I'd be interested in how you old-timers do it, even if I don't do it, I want to be educated :P
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  trivial.. edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the '#'  character that  commebnts out the extra repositories.
[05:38] <kaboodle> pfft once i have enough knowlege of the system and bash scripting i'm ditching the premade distros in favor of linux from scratch
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> takes me all of.. say 20 sec.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> :P tops
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> learning to use the apt-get system from the shell - is a VERY valueable skill.
[05:39] <tdmg> okay, I'm in Adept's repo manager.  How do I enable them all?
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  click on them perhaps. :P they are allready enabled here.. so i cant really tell. Lol.
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Or perhaps experiment like i just did.. and right click.. and notice the menu has 'enable' :)
[05:41] <tdmg> okay
[05:41] <tdmg> they are all enabled.......
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> use the update/upgrade buttons now to  update the package list.. and upgrade your system to current
[05:41] <farous> Dr_Willis: that is a great advice playing with the gui is the best way to learn :)
[05:41] <tdmg> okay
[05:42] <erich_> I intalled frozen-bubble but it's not in the game list, how can i start it?
[05:42] <tdmg> but nVidia drivers are "sudo ____"?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> farous,  i learned it from my C64 Pirate Days. :P
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  rember the 12 ways to do somthing. :P
[05:42] <nnn0> :)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  you are doing it the GUI way. :)
[05:42] <farous> Dr_Willis: i learned it from a previous mentor who said gui is made so you can learn it in max a day :)
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> ---> search for nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-386   install them.
[05:43] <farous> no manuals of course for we could not afford it :)
[05:43] <tdmg> :P
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> of course ya wnat to search/install them After ya do the updates.. would be my guess
[05:43] <erich_> Nevermind, i used 'Run command'
[05:43] <tdmg> I'm taking a Unix course next semester, so I will hopefully get more exposure to command lines
[05:44] <tdmg> I stopped using DOS when I was 10 years old, so the command line is unfamiliar all over again
[05:44] <farous> tdmg: :)
[05:45] <farous> !cli
[05:45] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:45] <farous> this might refresh your mem ^ ^
[05:45] <tdmg> :)
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> Linux tip # 102 'read EVERYTHING you can get your hands on.. just so later when you need to learn somtning.. you can rember reading about it and  then go back and reread it in detail'
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:46] <erich_> Haha
[05:46] <tdmg> heh
[05:46] <farous> :)
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> I must have 100+lbs of Linux/Unix/related books
[05:46] <tdmg> I have...ummm......none :D
[05:47] <tdmg> I use the Linux Doc Project :P
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Linux Tip # 10 - keep the Computer books in the "mens reading room" (aka the bathroom in the basement) so you can reread them at your leisure.
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Linux Tip # 11 thourghly explore the   TLDP.org  ( the linux doc site) ! :P and if a uber-geek download the html versions to your PSP.
[05:48] <pdxsam> for use in the "Men's Reading Room"?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:48] <tdmg> an uber-geek wouldn't have the left over cash for a PSP :P
[05:48] <erich_> Is there a linux tip #5234?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Its bout  time i went to the Reading room... :)
[05:49] <charlie5> um, how would i re-direct a programs 'output to stderr' to a file, from the command line ?
[05:49] <cl187> ok
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Uber-geeks use Linux - and thus dont waste $$$ on   silly overpowered pc's - they use  cost-effective solutions.
[05:49] <cl187> this sucks
[05:49] <cl187> i found where to put it, but kind find the download lol
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> charlie5,  i always forget that.. its a funky >&1 >&2 kind of thing.
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> charlie5,  but I KNOW ir ead about it on the 'advance bash scripting guide' -- so according to Linux tip # 102  ---- :P
[05:50] <cl187> i just need the dang bcm43xx firmware, and not seeing how to optain it.. maybe i drank too much...
[05:50] <stray77> if you need firmware, get it from the manufacturers website
[05:50] <cl187> oh
[05:50] <cl187> lol
[05:50] <ubuntu_> i386 installer could not access security-updates. is this normal ?
[05:51] <cl187> now i feel kinda stupid
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> cl187,  hmm.. i think i found a package once  - perhaps not a legal site. that had them aswell.
[05:51] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu_,  the server may be down/slow
[05:51] <ubuntu_> didnt happen with amd64 ver
[05:51] <erich_> How do i make it so i have to double click to open things? I'm use to double clicking and hence, i keep opening everything twice :P
[05:51] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> erich_,  heh - thats hidden somewhere in the kde preferances..  or i think that kde-first start wizard can set it also.
[05:52] <charlie5> Dr_Willis: yeah, i can manage re-directing std output, but dunno about the others ... guess its time to google ... thanks
[05:53] <cl187> ok think i gots it heh
[05:54] <cl187> wish me luck
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall/find the name of that kde-first run setup wizard..
[05:54] <erich_> Look through your books :P
[05:54] <belatucadros> does anyone in here know how the quality compare with a Geforce FX 5300 to a Geforce 6100?
[05:55] <belatucadros> 5200*
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> 6100 - is that their embeded/integerated video?
[05:55] <belatucadros> well yea but I was wondering about teh quality and usability in comparison cause I just bought a new board and processor and the board has the geforce 6100
[05:56] <pdxsam> erich  if you go into system settings and choose mouse  you'll see on the first dialog the open to single or double click
[05:56] <pdxsam> just change it there and click apply
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> belatucadros,  been looking at those mb's myself. for my next low-end system. :P
[05:57] <ironfroggy> are there any simple utilities to keep two directories contents automatically synced?
[05:57] <belatucadros> well I know its not gonna be high end but its a temp till I get my X800 or X1900 which ever I choose
[05:57] <erich_> Ahh! Thanks pdxsam!
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> pdxsam,  darn! and im still looking for that first time wizard. lol. it had a setting to set up  like xp, macos, or kde. :P
[05:57] <pdxsam> I know the wizard you're referring to   I just don't remember what the script is called
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  there may be a "FUSE" addon that can do it. of proberly a dozen other ways to doit.
[05:58] <pdxsam> erich  no problem.. you're welcome
[05:58] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, I downloaded the drivers, but I don't know how to set them up or anything
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> pdxsam,  heh - somne day the gnome and kde guys need to get their names organized.
[05:58] <Kiongku> my mx510 extra buttons not working. Any suggestion?
[05:58] <ironfroggy> Dr_Willis: why would that need fuse? they are just two normal directories.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if you did all the commands (and that last sudo whatever) one - it shoudl be set uo.
[05:58] <tdmg> I can't even access my display settings anymore :(
[05:58] <ironfroggy> i just want to copy newer files from each to the other.
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  to do the syncing. in a reliable manor.
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> ironfroggy,  just use cp then?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> or rsync
[05:59] <tdmg> I did "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" but it gave me any error saying that no such command existed :(
[05:59] <ironfroggy> isnt rsync for remote syncing?
[05:59] <Kiongku> my fx5200 rocks XD no config needed
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  odd.   try   sudo /usr/sbin/nvidia-glx-config  enable
[06:00] <tdmg> ummmmmmm.......
[06:00] <tdmg> Adept won't load either
[06:00] <tdmg> *cries*
[06:00] <Kiongku> tdmg.. what did u do??
[06:00] <belatucadros> FX 5200 frankly is crap
[06:00] <belatucadros> I have one and I hate it :S
[06:01] <Kiongku> belatucadros: i dunt play FPS games.. and it does not complain on linux.. its a good crap
[06:01] <tdmg> I'll try rebooting, I didn't reboot after updating everything, that might be it.......
[06:01] <tdmg> wish me luck.......
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if the kernel got updated - that may be the case
[06:01] <Kiongku> wishing
[06:01] <belatucadros> well for me I do gaming and other stuff so I need more highend video which is why I would like to get an X1900 XTX
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> ati - heh heh... :P
[06:02] <tdmg> don't you need like 3 days and be a 16th level priest to do wish? :P
[06:02] <Kiongku> belatucadros: let me tell u my gaming list for the 1 year coming. Warcraft 3, Guild Wars, Myth Online.. and these work without a hitch
[06:02] <Hobbsee> [14:00]  * Dr_Willis wonders what adept has to do with a sudo command. <-- because you need to be root to install anything?
[06:03] <Kiongku> Anway its straying from my prob.. anyone knows hwo to config the logitech mx510 mouse ps/2 port
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> Hobbsee,  perhaps he was trying to type a command into adept?
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> mx510 has a ps2 version?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: possible, i dont know.  what do i need to fix in the latest kopete?
[06:03] <belatucadros> Kiongku mine is Unreal Tournament 2004, Counter strike 1.6/source, BattleField 2, and Fear
[06:04] <Kiongku> belatucadros: Counter Strike Source.. Tried it.. sucks with fx5200 agreed
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> kopete -  is one of the  'not best' names for somthing ive herd in a long time.. :P too much sounding like that Tummyache medicine. :)
[06:04] <belatucadros> yeps lol frame skippy lol
[06:04] <Kiongku> DrWillis: no i'm simply using the ps/2 for my mouse.. no free usb socket
[06:04] <belatucadros> I just bought a Dual Core 3800+ AM2
[06:05] <Kiongku> DrWillis: i swapped to linux 2 days ago. I'm used to its functions on win
[06:05] <pdxsam> Kiongku   welcome to the bright side!
[06:05] <belatucadros> yes welcome indeed Windows sucks lol
[06:05] <Kiongku> pdxsam: yah.. after fiddling with eagle drievrs for usb modem and compiling my custom kernel.. u can say that
[06:06] <Kiongku> belatucadros: win sucks.. but is essential for gamers liek u :p
[06:06] <pdxsam> no one ever said Linux wouldn't be a learning experience.
[06:06] <tdmg> the reboot worked
[06:06] <belatucadros> Kiongku one word Cedega
[06:06] <Kiongku> good job tdmg
[06:06] <tdmg> but I still can't find the right drivers under the settings menu :(
[06:06] <Kiongku> belatucadros: i know. But its total assurance that everything will be alright
[06:06] <Kiongku> Kiongku: on win
[06:06] <Kiongku> XD
[06:07] <stray77> kiongku, i think you edit the xorg.conf file section "InputDevice"
[06:07] <belatucadros> linux still has the greater stability I just need to work out a few bugs with cedega at the moment to get my bf2 fully operational then i'll be good
[06:07] <Kiongku> Stray77: i know about the xorg.conf but what should i write in it
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  settings menu? what settings menu?
[06:08] <tdmg> display settings
[06:08] <tdmg> under hardware
[06:08] <Kiongku> belatucadros: my only complain on linux is the kde desktop.. when i open apps.. sometimes they just crash wihtout a word
[06:08] <soulrider> tk you here?
[06:08] <charlie5> Dr_Willis: ./prog_which_outputs_to_stderr 2> my_stderr_ouput.txt ... :)
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  if ya ran that command. it shoudl of allready set them. Its possible you dident install both packages.
[06:09] <tdmg> okay
[06:09] <tdmg> thanks
[06:09] <belatucadros> yea mine did to kiongku it was one of my ram chips
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !nvidia
[06:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <user_> any know how i can get a resolution of 1366x768
[06:09] <Kiongku> belatucadros: lol? so now its good?
[06:09] <belatucadros> yeps
[06:09] <tdmg> that command still doesn't work Dr_Willis :-/
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i went to that x modeline generator web site. and had it generate the corect modeline for me for my widescreen laptop
[06:09] <belatucadros> I had 2 diff speeds a PC 2700 and a PC 3200 and they conflicted
[06:09] <Kiongku> user_: wow why that resolution?? standard ones does not suit ur taste?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  im guess ing you dident isntall the pacakges right then. or missed one.
[06:10] <tdmg> okay
[06:10] <cl187> omg omg
[06:10] <cl187> i iz smart
[06:10] <Kiongku> belatucadros: damn.. i just bought new ram for that linux.. i hope not going to need to change no $$$$
[06:10] <cl187> lol
[06:10] <cl187> eth1 is actualy loading
[06:10] <belatucadros> kiongku I know what you mean I got my new board and am like wtf I need to buy all new ram which sets me back a bit
[06:11] <user_> lol im running a LCD HDTV with DVI :)
[06:11] <user_> 32inch
[06:11] <Kiongku> belatucadros: hehe..
[06:11] <Kiongku> user_: OMG 32inch
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  from the shell... sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:11] <Kiongku> user_: u have big eyes :D
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  also from the shell . do a 'uname -a ' and paste the kernel version here. :P
[06:11] <tdmg> yeah
[06:11] <tdmg> it's not working
[06:11] <tdmg> there is a problem it says
[06:12] <belatucadros> damn a 32 lol Im running an LG 19" LCD with 1400:1 cotrast ratio
[06:12] <tdmg> I'll get the error message itself
[06:12] <user_> lol :)
[06:12] <Kiongku> belatucadros: haha me its 17 inch XD
[06:12] <belatucadros> lol I love my LCD its great
[06:12] <user_> i got it from lowestontheweb now 549quid
[06:13] <tdmg> Dr_Willis "There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[06:13] <Kiongku> ok.. anyone idea how to set the 10 buttons in xorg.conf for my mx510?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  could be the servers are slow/down
[06:13] <Darkkish> brb
[06:13] <Darkkish> restarting x
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  try a
[06:13] <Hobbsee> tdmg: hit show details, if you can?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> and see if it updates the packages.. then a 'sudo apt-get upgrade'
[06:13] <belatucadros> I have no idea how to set a single button let alone 10 lol
[06:14] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  ive seen some docs on the gentoo site that detail that mouse I belive
[06:14] <Kiongku> belatucadros: lol. i just bored having to scroll up for back button.. i wanan click it on my mouse
[06:14] <cl187> ok
[06:14] <cl187> now dumb question
[06:14] <belatucadros> yea I need a new mouse to
[06:14] <user_> Dr i only know my refresh rate for the first section lol
[06:14] <cl187> is there a thing like windows to view avalible networks?
[06:14] <Kiongku> Dr_Willis: dunt understand a single ****
[06:14] <tdmg> Dr_Willis, only errors and failures with the apt-get update
[06:14] <Kiongku> bcoz it says usb
[06:14] <belatucadros> Ive had the same mouse for like 3 1/2 years lol
[06:15] <Kiongku> belatucadros: hahaha.. but still its working :p
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> tdmg,  odd.   Im wondering if the servers are having some  issues this week
[06:15] <tdmg> okay
[06:15] <user_> Darkkish do you want to join #kubuntu_wine again :)
[06:15] <tdmg> well
[06:15] <tdmg> I have to get some shut-eye
[06:15] <Darkkish> sure
[06:15] <tdmg> thanks for all you help! :D
[06:15] <tdmg> I'll be back tomorrow for more ;)
[06:16] <tdmg> I'll probably get very bored at work and ask for some guidance :D
[06:16] <belatucadros> well I gtg have to be up to get a ram chip tomorrow lol
[06:17] <stray77> kiongku, check http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150116
[06:18] <Kiongku> stray77: k
[06:18] <user_> Dr whats my Dot Clock Freq ?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> user_,  for a lcd - i just let it use the defaults. and i just entered 60hz (mhz?) and the res. and that was about it.
[06:20] <obf213> !AAC
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about AAC - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <obf213> !mp3 > obf213
[06:20] <thunder> hi everyone
[06:21] <thunder> how i install the delphi in ubuntu?
[06:21] <thunder> im searching but not found
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> heh - that still exists?
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> isent it a comercial product?
[06:21] <thunder> im student
[06:22] <thunder> and i need development in here
[06:22] <thunder> do u know what i do?
[06:22] <user_> what can happen if i use the wrong modline ? warning Horizontal sync frequency above maximum of 60kHz! ??
[06:22] <actinic> tk, those folding units can be whoppers
[06:23] <thunder> hi everyone
[06:23] <thunder> i need install the delphi in my ctp
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Kylix is the name of the Linux Delphi :P
[06:23] <thunder> tks
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> user_,  ive never managed to blow anything up yet.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i normally just enter the res. and leave the rest at the defaults for my lcd.
[06:24] <thunder> but i try install the delphi... what i do?
[06:24] <stray77> borland delphi is a windows app, so you might try wine
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> I dont think there is a 'delphi' for linux.. the native linux port of delphi is called Kylix
[06:25] <thunder> tks
[06:25] <shocktrooper1> reformat second hd to use for more storage tutorial needed
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> shocktrooper1,  fdisk it. to make the partitions.. format it with mkfs.ext3 (or whatever) then edit fstab and mount it.
[06:26] <shocktrooper1> thanks Dr_Willis
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> and it formats MUCh faster under linux then under windows. :P
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> just rember.. fdisk then format. (ya dont want to know a story about the guy that got THAT backwards)
[06:27] <user_> where is XF86Config ?
[06:27] <user_> lol
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> user_,  its xorg.conf under the xorg system :P
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> where ya been? in a cave? lol...
[06:28] <pierreth> hello, how i get i set the login window?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> the xorg vs.  xfree86 stuff.. now  THAT was a interesting story.
[06:28] <actinic> new kubuntu linux team has formed, details here: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  set 'what' in what login window?
[06:28] <actinic> now go kick some ass
[06:29] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i have the kde login window now...
[06:29] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: but i want the login window of xfce because i am on xfce
[06:30] <stray77> choose your session type
[06:30] <stray77> then just log in
[06:30] <pierreth> stray77: ok, how can i do that?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  you are refering to kdm vs. gdm. because i THINK xfce uses gdm.
[06:30] <stray77> so you have xubuntu-desktop installed?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> or are you erfering to the Desktop you are logging into?
[06:31] <user_> where do i put the modline in the Screens section ?
[06:31] <user_> do i put it under the resoulutions in the 24 depth subsection
[06:31] <stray77> pierreth, click menu, click session type and choose xfce
[06:31] <obf213> did some new huge update happen
[06:31] <user_> my active depth is 24
[06:31] <obf213> cuz i just apt-get update and upgrade it andts been taking fo eve
[06:32] <obf213> andding langue packs and shit
[06:32] <Darkkish> where is the wine config file?
[06:32] <stray77> id use automatix to install wine
[06:33] <Darkkish> ...
[06:33] <Darkkish> where is the config file though
[06:33] <Darkkish> i want to delete it
[06:33] <Darkkish> after i uninstalled
[06:33] <Darkkish> because i want to reinstall fresh
[06:33] <pierreth> stray77: i don't have this command to set the session type?
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> user_,  i THINK it goes under the modes line.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> user_,  but im not sure if ya shoudl comment out the modes line or not.
[06:34] <stray77> pierreth, what screen r u lookin at?
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> wine creates several .dirs  (use ls -al) to see
[06:34] <pierreth> stray77: i can look in the kicker
[06:34] <pierreth> stray77: or the in the xfce panel
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> .wine
[06:34] <pdxsam> Darkish...  you'll be best served by deleting the entire wine folder in your home directory   rm -rf .wine  will do it
[06:35] <pdxsam> if you want to save it to grab something out  of it  just move it   mv .wine   .wine-old
[06:35] <stray77> pierreth, logout
[06:36] <pierreth> stray77: ok, and then...
[06:36] <stray77> pierreth, click menu, click session type and choose xfce
[06:36] <Darkkish> pdxsam: thanks
[06:36] <stray77> im assuming youre using a graphical login screen
[06:37] <pierreth> stray77: ok you mean at the login window?
[06:37] <stray77> yes
[06:37] <pierreth> stray77: ok :-). i will try then
[06:38] <Darkkish> damn
[06:38] <Darkkish> i had WoW working GREAT earlier in wine
[06:38] <pierreth> coming back...
[06:38] <Darkkish> and i didn't config wine or anything
[06:38] <Darkkish> and now it won't run it O.O
[06:38] <Darkkish> at all
[06:38] <Darkkish> right after the loading screen the window dissapears
[06:38] <stray77> winecfg
[06:38] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish, you have an X configuration erroe
[06:39] <obf213> !itunes > timi
[06:39] <obf213> !itunes > obf213
[06:40] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:  how do you know?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish, because i know the symptoms
[06:40] <Darkkish> how do i fix it?
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> log in as fail safe terminal and log in
[06:40] <Darkkish> ...
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> then type sudo startx
[06:40] <Admiral_Chicago> and tell me the error
[06:40] <Darkkish> >_>
[06:41] <Darkkish> why is it like that all of a sudden?
[06:41] <Darkkish> it was working fine earlier
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> in the log in screen, there is a log in as...KDE, Gnome, fail safe
[06:41] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:41] <cl187> so whats the other packmaniger thats in kubuntu besides adept
[06:41] <Darkkish> alright
[06:41] <Darkkish> brb
[06:41] <Admiral_Chicago> cl187, synaptic, apt-get
[06:41] <Darkkish> restarting x i suppose
[06:42] <soulrider> how can i add java to my path? im trying to run frostwire adn it sais i need java, but i got JDK 1.5 installed
[06:42] <cl187> and what do you recomend
[06:42] <Kiongku_> yay my mx510 is fully operational.. or near
[06:42] <stray77> good
[06:42] <Kiongku_> thx stray77
[06:43] <stray77> your welcome
[06:43] <pdxsam> soulrider put a soft link to the java binary in the /usr/bin directory
[06:43] <soulrider> ok, and where is it located?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> Yea..i am now on the Kubuntu Folding@home team. :P
[06:43] <Kiongku_> stray77:  any idea of a good download manager in linux. like flashget for win
[06:43] <soulrider> is it in /usr/local/ ?
[06:43] <soulrider> kget
[06:43] <soulrider> try kget
[06:44] <soulrider> Opera has a built in downlaod manager, you might wanna try it
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> whatever happened to Prozilla?
[06:44] <Jucato> kget is good. if only it could be used with Firefox
[06:44] <soulrider> locate jdk
[06:44] <soulrider> oops wrong window
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/
[06:44] <Kiongku_> Jucato: why u say kget not good on firefox?
[06:44] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:
[06:45] <pdxsam> soulrider  it depends on how you installed it   mine is in /etc/alternatives
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> wonder if theres  a firefox downloader/extension for it.
[06:45] <soulrider> let me check
[06:45] <Jucato> Kiongku_: last time I checked, you can't use KGet directly with Firefox
[06:45] <pdxsam> which links to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun
[06:45] <Kiongku_> jucato: ah
[06:45] <soulrider> its not there but theres a link to it, i can just copy it right?
[06:46] <Kiongku_> what is the line to reinitialize k servers after i pressed alt+ctrl+f1
[06:46] <Dr_Willis>  reinitialize k servers ?
[06:46] <stray77> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[06:46] <stray77> i thnk
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use alt-ctrl-F7 to get back to X :P
[06:46] <pdxsam> soulrider try this command line sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java
[06:46] <pdxsam> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/
[06:46] <pdxsam> jre/bin/java
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> or what stray77  said to restart the kdm/gdm services
[06:47] <pdxsam> soulrider try this command line sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java  /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jrs/bin/java
[06:47] <Kiongku_> bcoz i just forgot to read the line and had to restart when i entred command line XD
[06:47] <soulrider> no such file or directory
[06:47] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: Prozilla is not in normal repositories
[06:48] <pdxsam> make jrs  jre     I'm getting tired :)
[06:48] <dungkal> gari, you seem lost. please join our channel.
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  yea. its been so long shice i even thought about it. :P
[06:48] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: u are using it?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  downloading the source now. :P
[06:49] <soulrider> pdxsam: i already got a link in usr/bin to java
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/?p=download
[06:49] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: debian?
[06:49] <pdxsam> if you have a link in /usr/bin   then you should be able to point frostwire to that link  and it should fly
[06:50] <soulrider> i had one in bin, not lib
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  using Kubuntu at the moment. :P
[06:50] <soulrider> lets see if it runs now.......
[06:50] <soulrider> doesnt
[06:51] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i need to compile it?
[06:51] <pdxsam> if you open a command prompt and type java -version   do you get a response?
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  the only deb i saw was rather old.
[06:51] <soulrider> yes
[06:51] <soulrider> i ahve JDK 1.5
[06:51] <pdxsam> then java is working
[06:51] <soulrider> i was compiling stuff earleir today :P
[06:51] <pdxsam> I don't have frostwire installed
[06:51] <pdxsam> but it should be able to pick it up if it's in /usr/bin
[06:51] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: k lets compile it together :p
[06:52] <soulrider> maybe not the rigth link tot he right java ?
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku,  :P
[06:52] <pdxsam> no  that's the right java
[06:52] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i stll have the kubuntu window
[06:52] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: which version did u dl
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> heck ist still ./configur ing.
[06:52] <pdxsam> I'm installing frostwire now  hang on
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> the latest one i could find.  :)
[06:52] <soulrider> k, thanks
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> 2.0.5 beta
[06:53] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: how can i have the xfce login window at boot time?
[06:53] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i cant find 2.0.5
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  xfce uses the GDM login manager. and sets up a xfce theme for it.
[06:53] <soulrider> where can i read more aout what the /usr/ and the /bin/ folders have? and about where things are installed etc etc
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/downloads/prozilla/tarballs/prozilla-2.0.4.tar.bz2
[06:54] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: how can i start the GDM login manager?
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> soulrider,  i think TLDP.org has a  thing on that.
[06:54] <stray77> set xfce as your default session type
[06:54] <soulrider> ill read
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,   theres some dpkg-reconfigure gdm   command or similer that sets what XDM to use by default KDM. or gdm.
[06:54] <pdxsam> soulrider  I just installed frostwire using automatix  and it installed and started without issue
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> I dont use EITHER kdm or GDM. :P
[06:54] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis:For Prozilla.. latest tarball i can find is 2.0.4 o0
[06:54] <Darkkish> Admiral_Chicago:  in PM
[06:54] <pdxsam> I don't see anywher ein the settings to set the java version
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> http://prozilla.genesys.ro/downloads/prozilla/tarballs/prozilla-2.0.4.tar.bz2          seems to be the beta. :P
[06:55] <soulrider> i used the deb file from their site
[06:55] <soulrider> maybe tis that
[06:55] <Kiongku_> lol
[06:55] <pdxsam> 4.10.9 is the version I am using
[06:56] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: what is the cmd to unpack tar.bz2 i forgot
[06:56] <soulrider> i got
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> tar xjvf
[06:56] <soulrider> dunno :P
[06:56] <soulrider> should i remove it
[06:56] <soulrider> and download automatix
[06:56] <soulrider> and install ?
[06:56] <pdxsam> I recommend automatix
[06:56] <Darkkish> i'm getting this error dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> I DONT recommend automatix. :P use at your OWN rish.
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:57] <pdxsam> some recommend easyubuntu  but automatix has worked fine for me
[06:57] <soulrider> :/
[06:57] <Darkkish> when i do sudo dpkg -reconfigure xserver-org
[06:57] <pdxsam> easyubuntu segfaults on me
[06:57] <Kiongku_> whats automatix?
[06:57] <Jucato> !automatix
[06:57] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,   note the 'use at your own risk' part. :P
[06:57] <actinic> wow, this howto just gets better and better:  http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[06:57] <Darkkish> they just say that so you don't sue them
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> to install java - all i did was use apt-get install for it.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:58] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[06:58] <poningru> soulrider: I would use easyubuntu
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> but i DO rember some issue where you had to have some package installed for the java install to print out its EULA so you can hit "OK"
[06:58] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
[06:58] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[06:58] <soulrider> ok
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> which was lame.
[06:59] <Kiongku_> hmm
[06:59] <soulrider> where can i get it ?
[06:59] <actinic> !lame
[06:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <soulrider> lol
[06:59] <actinic> :)
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[06:59] <Jucato> ubotu says "at your own risk" because ubotu is an official Ubuntu IRC bot, and Automatix and EasyUbuntu are not official Ubuntu packages/projects
[07:00] <Jucato> err....
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> and theres been dozens of cases of those 2 programs trashing systems. :P
[07:00] <soulrider> i think i wont install them then :/
[07:00] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: i jave java
[07:00] <soulrider> i was compiling my java apps earlier .P
[07:00] <actinic> Dr_Willis, trashed out of how many attempts?  :)
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> but using those to install java.. which  just recently got added to the normal repos. :P Yea for sun for changeing their licenseing.
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> actinic,  all it takes is ONE.. if its your machine. :)
[07:01] <user_> Sun FTW :)
[07:01] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: flash player plugin for firefox.
[07:01] <user_> im a java developer lol :)
[07:01] <Kiongku_> Dr_Wllis: what do u recommend
[07:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah, easyubuntu is an official ubuntu project
[07:01] <user_> ForThaWin
[07:01] <soulrider> well im newbie, but learning :P
[07:01] <actinic> just like the lottery ... all it takes is one ticket :)
[07:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it is?
[07:02] <Darkkish> something is wrong with xorg
[07:02] <Kiongku_> ah ****.. construction work on my roof.. freaking sound busting my ears
[07:02] <Darkkish> can someone help me?
[07:02] <Darkkish> brb\
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  stay away from YouTube.com :P
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> !flash
[07:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:02] <Jucato> I prefer Google Video, coz I could download the video instead of having it play in the browser :-D
[07:02] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis i'll become deaf in 1 min.. if that continues
[07:02] <Kiongku_> XD
[07:02] <soulrider> Dr_Willis:  i did apt-get install sun-java5-jre and it sais i got the latest :P
[07:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's made by a couple of ubuntu members, and they're looking at getting it into the repos, i believe
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> soulrider,  me to! :P
[07:03] <actinic> soulrider, read this link and you'll be a near expert:  http://www.linuxloader.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=28
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_J2SE_Runtime_Environment_.28JRE.29_with_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[07:04] <user_> i added modline and x server didnt start :( had to vim my xorg lol
[07:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: Automatix is also made by Ubuntu members. They're both "community" projects, not "official" Ubuntu projects. At least not yet
[07:04] <actinic> automatix is in my repositories
[07:04] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:04] <soulrider> it sint in mine
[07:04] <actinic> i'm always getting updates
[07:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that.  i havent looked at the code, but i knew it used to be fairly shocking, and wouldnt pass quality control
[07:04] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: How to uninstall stuff made with make install
[07:04] <user_> Darkkish join #kubuntu_wine sorry had to reboot
[07:05] <Darkkish> i am
[07:05] <Darkkish> grr
[07:05] <Darkkish> brb
[07:05] <Darkkish> i have to again
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  good luck there.. 'make uninstall' MAY uninstall them.. or it may not
[07:05] <soulrider> user_: u mind if i ask you some java questions when i get stuck? :P
[07:05] <user_> nope no probs
[07:05] <soulrider> thanks
[07:05] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: lol u are installing the same stuff as me
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  thats what that one program is often used for that converts src/compules it - into a .dev
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> .deb i mean
[07:05] <soulrider> i only took 1 semester of programming
[07:05] <soulrider> but i managed to make a minesweeper: P
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  i dident  'sudo make install' i copied the proz binary to my users  bin dir. :)
[07:06] <user_> cool
[07:06] <actinic> woohoo, quad core cpu's
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  plus i dont want to uninstall it. :P
[07:06] <actinic> wonder what kinda power supply those babies will need
[07:06] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis:ehrm tell me ur steps.. did u do make?
[07:06] <user_> soulrider join #_java_
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> ./configure, make,  cp src/proz /home/willis/bin
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:07] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:07] <Darkkish> ...
[07:07] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: Basically the diff btw our 2 install is only the name before bin?
[07:08] <user_> Soulrider join #_java_
[07:08] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20732 can someone diagnose?
[07:09] <Darkkish> er...
[07:09] <Darkkish> fix
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  Unless you also made your user after my name. :P
[07:09] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: :p.. ok nw my prob.. cant find ncurses lib. What should i install
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> i would guess ncurses-dev package
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> !info ncurses-dev
[07:09] <Kiongku_> k
[07:09] <ubotu> Package ncurses-dev does not exist in dapper
[07:09] <Hobbsee> !search ncurses
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> hmm or similer name
[07:10] <Hobbsee> !find ncurses
[07:10] <ubotu> Found: evms-ncurses, lib64ncurses5, lib64ncurses5-dev, libncurses5, libncurses5-dbg (and 12 others)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> Kiongku_: libncurses5
[07:10] <Dr_Willis>  libncurses5-dev :)
[07:10] <Kiongku_> omg the sky is falling apart.. pieces of my roof is falling in my room
[07:10] <Hobbsee> nah, not -dev
[07:10] <stray77> how does everyone feel about the use of aptitude over apt-get?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> -dev is usually for build-deps of programs, not deps
[07:10] <Kiongku_> hmm
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> he is compiling a program :)
[07:10] <Kiongku_> aptitude? i thought was the same as apt-get
[07:11] <Hobbsee> Dr_Willis: point.
[07:11] <Darkkish> can someone please help me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20732
[07:11] <Hobbsee> stray77: both have advantages and disadvantages
[07:11] <Darkkish> i got that in failsafe
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Ya know - i find download managers/speed-upp-ers dont seem to work as good on Hight speed connections. :)
[07:11] <Kiongku_> !aptitude
[07:11] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: you cant run X multiple times.
[07:12] <Kiongku_> !apt-get
[07:12] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: and why would you want to run X as root anyway?
[07:12] <Darkkish> Hobbsee: i was in failsafe
[07:12] <Darkkish> idk
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:12] <Kiongku_> adepet manager is the apt-get?
[07:12] <Kiongku_> *adept
[07:12] <Darkkish> someone told me to do that and paste what i got
[07:12] <Hobbsee> well, according to your version, you're already in X
[07:12] <Darkkish> then he dissapeared
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: ah right.  wouldnt be much use
[07:12] <Darkkish> well
[07:12] <Darkkish> i was running wine
[07:12] <Darkkish> and it was running great earlier
[07:13] <Darkkish> WoW
[07:13] <Darkkish> full speed
[07:13] <Darkkish> but now
[07:13] <Darkkish> it only goes past the loading screen
[07:13] <Darkkish> then right when it would go into the 3D part
[07:13] <Darkkish> the window closes
[07:13] <Darkkish> every time
[07:13] <Darkkish> so someone told me it was an X error
[07:13] <Darkkish> and to do that
[07:13] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: btw why did u put proz in src?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: you'd have to use irssi or something for irc, then try that command.
[07:14] <Darkkish> irssi?
[07:14] <Darkkish> what?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> i put in my USERS bin dir.
[07:15] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i still have the same login window
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> and it was in src whenit compuled
[07:15] <pierreth> Dr_Willis: i used the gdm manager but it changed nothing
[07:15] <Kiongku_> ah lol
[07:15] <Darkkish> Hobbsee: what is irssi?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> pierreth,  configure it to use the xubuntu theme.. or any other them ya like.
[07:15] <Jucato> !info irssi
[07:15] <ubotu> irssi: terminal based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.10-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 989 kB, installed size 2764 kB
[07:15] <Hobbsee> Darkkish: a console based irc client (text only)
[07:16] <DShepherd> Darkkish: sudo aptitude install  irssi. jump to your VT and type.. irssi. then /connect irc.freenode.net  and then /j #kubuntu .. irssi its an irc client
[07:16] <Darkkish> aww
[07:16] <Darkkish> i really don't want to do this
[07:16] <Darkkish> are we positive its a problem with x?
[07:16] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: so if i want to ever remove it..  i simply delete it from bin?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> yep
[07:16] <stray77> sudo aptitude remove irssi
[07:17] <Darkkish> can we just diagnose from the beginning
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> thres a way to ./configure --someoptions=/home/willis (if ya wanted to be fancy) then the make install - would put it in your home dir
[07:17] <Darkkish> i was running WoW on wine earlier
[07:17] <Darkkish> it was working almost perfectly
[07:17] <stray77> world of warcraft?
[07:17] <Darkkish> yes
[07:17] <stray77> neat
[07:17] <Darkkish> then i changed some settings in Wine
[07:18] <Darkkish> and it stopped working
[07:18] <Darkkish> so i changed them back
[07:18] <stray77> bummer
[07:18] <Darkkish> and now its still not working
[07:18] <Darkkish> it logsin
[07:18] <Darkkish> logs in
[07:18] <Darkkish> loads
[07:18] <Darkkish> but right when it would get to the 3D part
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:18] <Darkkish> the window just dissapears
[07:18] <stray77> did you try rebooting?
[07:18] <Darkkish> no lol
[07:18] <Darkkish> i should huh?
[07:18] <Darkkish> not just restarting x
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> windows answers - reboot/reformat/reinstall :P
[07:18] <Darkkish> but actually rebooting
[07:19] <Darkkish> this isn't windows
[07:19] <Darkkish> this is wine
[07:19] <Darkkish> plus i've had 10x less trouble with windows than kubnuntu lately
[07:19] <Darkkish> just fyi
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> its possible the wine server crashed and dident clean up after itself.
[07:19] <stray77> did you use winecfg to make your changes?
[07:19] <Darkkish> yeah
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> Games are for the weak. :P
[07:19] <Darkkish> yes at stray77
[07:20] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: how to link the prozgui
[07:20] <Darkkish> brb
[07:20] <Darkkish> i'm going to restart my computer
[07:20] <stray77> i know people who reboot to restart apache...
[07:20] <stray77> heheh
[07:20] <stray77> i used to be one of them
[07:20] <Darkkish> hmm
[07:20] <Darkkish> well this isn't apache...
[07:20] <Darkkish> :p
[07:20] <Darkkish> idk what this is
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  i dident mess with prozgui yet. :P
[07:21] <Darkkish> one person says its x
[07:21] <Darkkish> i say its wine
[07:21] <Darkkish> brb
[07:21] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: ehrm i get error on make file for the prozgui
[07:21] <stray77> Server is already active for display 0
[07:21] <stray77>         If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
[07:21] <stray77>         and start again.
[07:21] <stray77> did u do that
[07:21] <stray77> ?
[07:22] <stray77> looks like hes goin for the reboot
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> quick - lets all change nicks! :P
[07:24] <Kiongku_> Dr_Willis: i get error on prozgui :S make in /src
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install libfltk1.1-dev  libfltk1.1
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> for a start Kiongku_  :P
[07:25] <Not_Dr_Willis> the docs say it uses that lib.
[07:25] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: i already have it
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> ./libprozilla/src/prozilla.h:137: error: proxy_type has a previous declaration here
[07:26] <Kiongku_> yes
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> looks like  a bug to me bat man!
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> :)
[07:26] <Kiongku_> thats it
[07:26] <Kiongku_> so.. how did u make it?
[07:26] <Not_Dr_Willis> i dident. :P
[07:27] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: download another prozgui?
[07:27] <gibson_sg> how do i mount another hd?
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> there is a static built version i think
[07:27] <gibson_sg> i edited fstab
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/dir_that_you_made
[07:27] <Not_Dr_Willis> if the fstab entry is correct ya can 'sudo mount -a' to auto mount them all
[07:27] <gibson_sg> it gave me an error when i tried that
[07:28] <Darkkish> to me my problem sounds like a graphics error
[07:28] <Darkkish> like a bad setting
[07:28] <stray77> gibson_sg, what filesystem you trying to mount?
[07:28] <Not_Dr_Willis> if the fstab is incorrect.. well ya get errors. :)
[07:28] <gibson_sg>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[07:28] <gibson_sg>        missing codepage or other error
[07:28] <gibson_sg> yea it could be incorrect
[07:28] <gibson_sg> but it looks okay to me
[07:28] <Not_Dr_Willis> and the fstab line is?
[07:28] <gibson_sg> its a big hd
[07:29] <Not_Dr_Willis> you did format the hard drive partition with mkfs?
[07:29] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[07:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:30] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733 i get this right before wine fails
[07:30] <stray77> gibson_sg, what filesystem you trying to mount?
[07:30] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: is ur home/willis/bin same as /usr/bin ?
[07:30] <gibson_sg> i did not format it, it was from when i had windows will it not work?
[07:30] <stray77> mount -t ntfs /....
[07:30] <Not_Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  No...
[07:30] <Not_Dr_Willis>  i put things in my USERS (as in the people who are USERS on the system) bin. :P
[07:30] <stray77> i think
[07:31] <Darkkish> can someone help me?
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#can_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:31] <stray77> sounds like youre trying to mount an ntfs partition on hdb1
[07:31] <Kiongku_> Dr_willis: /home/*name*/bin dunt exist
[07:31] <unix_infidel> Not_Dr_Willis eh/
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> Thats the Definitive NTFS under Linux web site. :P
[07:31] <gibson_sg> it said it wasnt an ntfs
[07:31] <Not_Dr_Willis> Kiongku_,  logic 101 says... MAKE the directory then. :)
[07:31] <Kiongku_> ah lol
[07:31] <stray77> "i did not format it, it was from when i had windows will it not work"  implies ntfs
[07:32] <geneo93> try fdisk -l
[07:32] <unix_infidel> hey guys i have two network interfaces one ipw and one intelgigabit, is it possible for me to connect both devices to two seperate routers on two seperate subnets without them interfering?
[07:32] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733 help me! i get this right before wine fails
[07:33] <stray77> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb -l
[07:34] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[07:34] <Darkkish> >_> so no one can help me?
[07:35] <Darkkish> stray77: do you know whats wrong? this is the error i get right before wine crashes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20733
[07:35] <Not_Dr_Willis> well night all.
[07:35] <stray77> darkish, i looked, i dont know.
[07:35] <Darkkish> :(
[07:35] <flake> howdy ho
[07:35] <gibson_sg> HPFS/NTFS
[07:35] <stray77> toldya
[07:36] <Kiongku_> omg my informant is gone XD
[07:36] <Kiongku_> btw what time is it at ur place ppl?
[07:36] <Kiongku_> 9 36 am o0
[07:36] <Darkkish> 10:35
[07:36] <Darkkish> PM
[07:36] <Kiongku_> lol darkish.. ur on other side of the planet from me XD
[07:38] <Darkkish> yep
[07:38] <Darkkish> where do you live>?
[07:38] <maltaethiron> where are you at darkkish?
[07:39] <Darkkish> seattle
[07:39] <Darkkish> washington state
[07:39] <maltaethiron> ok
[07:39] <maltaethiron> im at detroit
[07:39] <Darkkish> oh
[07:39] <stray77> gibson_sg if i recall correctly, it would be: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ntfs
[07:39] <Darkkish> that will allow read/write?
[07:40] <gibson_sg> should i edit fstab to NTFS for type
[07:41] <stray77> yes
[07:41] <stray77> gibson, is there anything on the drive now that you want?
[07:41] <gibson_sg> yea about 6 thousand songs
[07:41] <stray77> data?
[07:41] <stray77> ok
[07:41] <stray77> then dont format it
[07:41] <gibson_sg> it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[07:42] <Darkkish> ok
[07:42] <Darkkish> guys
[07:42] <Darkkish> wow doesn't run in directx
[07:42] <Darkkish> but i only get the issue in opengl
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt# mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt# cd /mnt/ntfs
[07:43] <stray77> root@ubuntu:/mnt/ntfs# ls
[07:43] <stray77> AUTOEXEC.BAT  Documents and Settings  ntldr          System Volume Information
[07:43] <stray77> AVG7QT.DAT    IO.SYS                  pagefile.sys   WINDOWS
[07:43] <stray77> boot.ini      MSDOS.SYS               Program Files
[07:43] <stray77> CONFIG.SYS    NTDETECT.COM            RECYCLER
[07:43] <stray77> note my ntfs drive is hda1, yours is hdb1
[07:44] <Darkkish> k fixed
[07:44] <Darkkish> :)
[07:44] <Darkkish> i opened it in directx
[07:44] <Darkkish> and then once again in opengl
[07:44] <Jucato> !pastebin
[07:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:44] <gibson_sg> yea my main hd is hda1
[07:44] <gibson_sg> it says my new volume is hdb1
[07:45] <stray77> gibson_sg, if you wanna pm me ill help you out
[07:45] <gibson_sg> do i have to register?
[07:46] <stray77> i dont think so, im not registered
[07:46] <stray77> can you see my pm?
[07:46] <Kiongku_> need a good download manager XD
[07:47] <Kiongku_> prozilla too frustrating..
[07:47] <Jucato> Kiongku_: what browser are you using?
[07:47] <Kiongku_> firefoz
[07:47] <Kiongku_> firefox
[07:47] <Jucato> ooh...
[07:47] <gibson_sg> no
[07:47] <Darkkish> k anyone else get wow to run
[07:47] <Jucato> too bad.. T_T
[07:47] <Kiongku_> lol
[07:47] <Kiongku_> i'll use kget nevertheless
[07:47] <Kiongku_> i duntn want to mess up my system with prozilla
[07:48] <Darkkish> wow
[07:48] <Darkkish> i'm never going to remember that name lol
[07:48] <Darkkish> anyways chan = registered
[07:48] <Darkkish> you can come back :)
[07:48] <_g4lv4tr0n> cool
[07:49] <gibson_sg> stray77 do you see my pm?
[07:50] <Kiongku_> jucato: simple.. i'll just open the download link with konqueror XD
[07:50] <stray77> yep
[07:50] <Jucato> Kiongku_: ehehe! that's one way of doing it :-D
[07:51] <gibson_sg>  / msg nickserv register <your-password> to register i think
[07:51] <Kiongku_> jucato: yeah.. no system mess up.. can easily remove kget when i want.. >make install seems troublesome to remove
[07:51] <stray77> ok gimme a sec
[07:52] <Jucato> why would you ever want to remove kget? bwahahahah!! (evil laugh)
[07:53] <Kiongku_> hey ppl.. any idea how to look up at present connection usage
[07:53] <Kiongku_> i have a prog in windows which show my modem activity.. anything similar in kubuntu?
[07:54] <Darkkish> you mean like
[07:55] <Darkkish> ethereal?
[07:55] <Darkkish> packet sniffer?
[07:55] <Kiongku_> hmm
[07:55] <Jucato> Kiongku_: you can try KNemo or KNetload
[07:55] <Kiongku_> already integrated?
[07:55] <gibson_sg> what is a bad superblock?
[07:56] <shocktrooper1> how can I erase a second hd on my system?
[07:56] <shocktrooper1> to make it for storage
[07:56] <gibson_sg> format it
[07:57] <shocktrooper1> with fdisk?
[07:57] <stray77> fdisk partitions
[07:57] <stray77> mkfs formats
[07:57] <shocktrooper1> what about reiser?  I heard good things about it
[07:58] <Kiongku_> jucato: which one better knemo or knetload
[07:58] <kieran> How do i disable the tooltip crap in KDE?
[07:58] <Jucato> Kiongku_: depends. if you want more info, I think KNetload is better
[07:59] <Jucato> kieran: the big boxes?
[07:59] <kieran> yes.
[07:59] <kieran> First think i noticed that did my head in :-)
[07:59] <Jucato> right-click on the panel > Configure Panel > Appearance options > uncheck  Enable icon mouseover effects?
[08:00] <kieran> Thanks
[08:03] <Kiongku_> lol
[08:03] <Kiongku_> download stalled
[08:04] <Kiongku_> kget seems slow
[08:05] <Jucato> depends on the download, I think
[08:06] <Kiongku_> jucato: i'll try download something else to test
[08:07] <Jucato> Kiongku_: try downloading the same thing using Firefox's downloader
[08:07] <Kiongku_> hmm? its a big file
[08:07] <Kiongku_> i rather try something else?
[08:08] <shocktrooper1> weird.  I reformated hdb1 to reiser but windows is still on there
[08:09] <maltaethiron> !stepmania
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <shocktrooper1> how can I remove windows from hdb1 from kubuntu?
[08:10] <Kiongku_> yay tried another link
[08:11] <Kiongku_> that one is freaking slow
[08:11] <Kiongku_> i thought kget was messed up
[08:13] <Sikon> anyone?
[08:13] <Kiongku_> hmm?
[08:14] <Kiongku_> noone
[08:14] <Jucato> ??
[08:14] <maltaethiron> ok guys, maltaethiron is installing stepmania
[08:14] <maltaethiron> first off, should i dl the source or binary?
[08:16] <maltaethiron> anyone, anyone?
[08:18] <Kiongku_> jucato: knet load does not show anything in the kicker panal
[08:18] <Kiongku_> *panel
[08:18] <Jucato> Kiongku_: did you run it already?
[08:18] <Jucato> it doesn't add itself to the panel automatically
[08:19] <Kiongku_> jucato: i ran it
[08:19] <Kiongku_> jucato: it shows as a black box of in and out
[08:19] <Jucato> Kiongku_: that box slowly fills up
[08:20] <Kiongku> jucato: what u mean by fill up?
[08:20] <flake> how do i know if i am logged in as root or as user
[08:20] <Jucato> like some graphs/lines, depending on the network activity
[08:22] <Kiongku> jucato: bah i cant see anything. the only good thing is when i click it in kickerpanel , an info box open.. thats enough for me then
[08:22] <Sikon> I installed the newest Russian language packs, but KDM is still in English. How can I localize it?
[08:23] <flake> what's the windows equiv of 'type', to show a file's contents
[08:24] <Jucato> flake: cat <filename>
[08:24] <Jucato> file <filename> to show what kind of file it is
[08:24] <flake> ty
[08:24] <Jucato> yw
[08:25] <flake> under my kde i have to sudo to do anything, under Ubuntu gnome, it appears i can?
[08:25] <flake> i can save a text file without sudo
[08:25] <Sikon> save a text file where?
[08:25] <flake> am i logged in as root
[08:26] <flake> home / user
[08:26] <Sikon> you can save to non-system folders without sudo
[08:26] <Jucato> flake: you only need to use sudo if you're going to do something that requires root/administrator priviliges
[08:26] <Sikon> your home dir is one of them
[08:27] <flake> doh, thanks
[08:27] <fatejudger> it seems that every time I play a video in the embedded KMPlayer in Konqueror, it jacks up the master volume
[08:27] <fatejudger> is there any way to prevent this from happening?
[08:27] <fatejudger> it's like it sets the master at around 80% as soon as a video file starts playing
[08:27] <fatejudger> but it doesn't happen when using Kaffeine
[08:33] <flake> is stopping mysql and apache2 considered admin type stuff
[08:33] <Jucato> flake: I think so
[08:35] <fatejudger> flake: no
[08:35] <unix_infidel> flake: define admin type stuff.
[08:36] <flake> i'm ok, always am so paranoid
[08:36] <fatejudger> flake: not as long as you run it as a user
[08:36] <flake> it wont let me start it
[08:36] <thoreauputic> scripts in /etc/init.d require sudo
[08:36] <flake> as user
[08:36] <flake> which is ok
[08:37] <thoreauputic> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start  for instance
[08:37] <flake> yes I am fine, I got confused when I looked at the gnome interface for a second time
[08:38] <Darkkish> OMG!
[08:38] <Darkkish> i got wow working perfectly guys
[08:38] <Darkkish> on wine
[08:38] <Darkkish> :)
[08:38] <flake> world of warcraft?
[08:38] <Darkkish> yes
[08:38] <Darkkish> i was having all kinds of errrors
[08:38] <Darkkish> but
[08:38] <flake> wish bf2 would work, but then wish it would work on windows anyway
[08:38] <Darkkish> i got it to work PERFECTLY
[08:38] <Darkkish> haha
[08:39] <fatejudger> how can something work perfectly if it has errors?
[08:39] <Darkkish> yeah bf2 doesn't hardly work on windows >_>
[08:39] <Darkkish> fatejudger:  it had errors earlier
[08:39] <fatejudger> WoW sucks anyway
[08:39] <Darkkish> now its running 25 fps :)
[08:39] <Darkkish> nah
[08:40] <fatejudger> it takes too much time to play
[08:40] <ironfroggy> how can i install something that is in a debian repository?
[08:40] <fatejudger> who has time for life when you play WoW?
[08:40] <unix_infidel> i know people who would bludgeon you with a large piece of wood for saying WoW sucks.
[08:40] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: press the install key
[08:41] <Darkkish> me too
[08:41] <Darkkish> infact
[08:41] <Darkkish> you're lucky you werent in the room when you said that
[08:41] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: eh?
[08:41] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: the install key, don't you know about it?
[08:41] <Darkkish> or you would probably have a bruise somewhere
[08:41] <Darkkish> or be incapable of reproducing from thenon
[08:42] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: either you have a productive response or you dont. guess which one yours is.
[08:42] <Darkkish> lol
[08:42] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: entertaining?
[08:42] <aliasfred> keep cool guys and stay on topic aka kubuntu
[08:42] <ironfroggy> was i taking it to any other topic?
[08:42] <aliasfred> arguing about which window game is best is not part of it
[08:43] <fatejudger> aliasfred: are you the IRC police?
[08:43] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please stay on topic
[08:43] <fatejudger> aliasfred: yeah, that's what I thought
[08:43] <aliasfred> thanks
[08:43] <Darkkish> lmao
[08:44] <fatejudger> if you spent any time in this channel at all you'd know that half the stuff people discuss on here is offtopic
[08:44] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please stay on topic
[08:44] <Jucato> not really half, just about a third...
[08:44] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: but when people ask you to stay ON topic its best to do so.
[08:44] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution
[08:44] <fatejudger> Jucato: it depends what time you're talking about
[08:44] <Kiongku_> Pfft.. trouble downloading the big files without a download manager
[08:44] <unix_infidel> as you are probably interfering with their genuine discussion or necessity to get help.
[08:45] <aliasfred> Kiongkun_: what is your problem ?
[08:45] <fatejudger> oh yeah, does anyone have a question about Kubuntu then?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> Kiongku:  wget -c http://url.to.file.com
[08:45] <Jucato> Kiongku_: err... big files are really hard to download, even without a download manager..
[08:45] <Jucato> unless you have a very fast connection
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Jucato: not with wget - assuming you have the downstream bandwidth
[08:46] <thoreauputic> right
[08:46] <Kiongku_> jucato: with win.. flashget no trouble.. can resume
[08:46] <Jucato> Kiongku_: KGet can resume as well.
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Kiongku: wget resumes with -c
[08:46] <Kiongku_> jucato: KGet hates the url i trying to dl :P
[08:46] <Jucato> I actually find FIrefox's pause/resume very... unhelpful
[08:46] <thoreauputic> yes kget is a front end for wget I think
[08:46] <aliasfred> Kiongku, describe your problem or you wont get a solution :)
[08:46] <Darkkish> lol i take back what i said about WoW working perfectly
[08:46] <Darkkish> for some reason or another only one of my characters loads
[08:46] <Jucato> what GUI isn't a front end to anything?
[08:47] <Jucato> aliasfred: he already did, he
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Jucato: Don't use a browser for big downloads - too flaky
[08:47] <Kiongku_> with Firefox i get dl speed of 15kb/s with kget i get 2kb/s or it just stall
[08:47] <Jucato> aliasfred: he already did, he's just making follow ups, I think
[08:47] <fatejudger> maybe his browser sucks
[08:47] <randy> hi yo
[08:47] <aliasfred> !coc
[08:47] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[08:47] <aliasfred> fatejudger: the last message of ubotu is for you
[08:48] <flake> on networking, my router has a built-in firewall which I haven't disabled - do i need to set up a software firewall
[08:48] <Darkkish> hey can anyone suggest any partition software
[08:48] <Darkkish> thats free
[08:48] <Kiongku_> fdisk XD
[08:48] <aliasfred> Darkkish: gparted or qparted
[08:48] <Jucato> dartmolx: QtParted or GParted?
[08:48] <Arkkis> roar!!
[08:49] <Kiongku_> well i trying to dl on firefox with downthemall plugin
[08:49] <Kiongku_> if that fails zzz... i'll download it later with my win partition
[08:49] <fatejudger> aliasfred: omg, if you want to act like a snob go to ##linux
[08:49] <aliasfred> fatejudger: please read the code of conduct
[08:49] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I'm sure you can buddy-buddy up to one of those guys
[08:49] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: and aliasfred - take it elswhere
[08:49] <Darkkish> aliasfred: THANKS
[08:49] <Jucato> Kiongku_: that's really strange. My experience with KGet and Firefox is the reverse..
[08:49] <Darkkish> thanks*
[08:49] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: taking what elsewhere ?
[08:50] <Darkkish> i can only play my lvl 8 night elf druid
[08:50] <Jucato> isn't it QtParted, not QParted? *confused*
[08:50] <fatejudger> aliasfred: your higher-than-thou attitude
[08:50] <flake> i dont need a s/w firewall if my router has one, right?
[08:50] <Darkkish> otherwise WoW dies after the loading screen
[08:50] <randy> hello hello hello
[08:50] <thoreauputic> aliasfred: personal argumnets etc - actually fatejudger is more at fault here
[08:50] <Kiongku_> jucato: try to download this link with kget and tell me the speed http://d9.766.com/mw104815.exe
[08:50] <aliasfred> fatejudger: read the topic of this channel
[08:50] <flake> the ubuntu docs say something about setting up iptables
[08:50] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: you will be kicked out if you don't improve your attitude
[08:51] <Jucato> Kiongku_: what is that anyway?
[08:51] <fatejudger> hey, all I ask is not to be bothered
[08:51] <shrewdy> whats the best news client for nix?
[08:51] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: i dont considere what im doing as a personnal argument, i just try to make him stop his attitude
[08:51] <Darkkish> i'm going to try qtparted
[08:51] <Kiongku_> jucato: Myth Online. A game
[08:51] <fatejudger> I don't see this aliasfred guy helping anyone out
[08:51] <Jucato> oh
[08:51] <fatejudger> all he's doing is complaining
[08:51] <thoreauputic> aliasfred: lets just drop it on both sides OK ?
[08:51] <Darkkish> shrewdy: firefox
[08:51] <aliasfred> thoreauputic: if you want to handle him, i would be pleased
[08:51] <aliasfred> ok i drop it then
[08:51] <fatejudger> oh brother...
[08:52] <unix_infidel> !offtopic
[08:52] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:52] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: you've been warned
[08:52] <Kiongku> jucato: did u try? getting a good speed?
[08:52] <Darkkish> crap
[08:52] <Darkkish> i can't resize my ntfs partition >_>
[08:52] <Kiongku> lol
[08:52] <dartmolx> Jucato, sorry i just read your msg. go for the Q. use parted otherwise
[08:53] <Jucato> Kiongku: on a 256kbps speed, I'm getting an average of 2-6 kbps? it's fluctuating
[08:53] <Kiongku> jucato: doh i have a 512kbps down speed. same result as u
[08:53] <Kiongku> crappy server :p overloaded
[08:53] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: you're the admin around here?
[08:53] <Jucato> Kiongku: probably... i'll try with Firefox
[08:53] <Kiongku> jucato: thx for the try
[08:53] <unix_infidel> thoreauputic: look at his /whois
[08:53] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: one of
[08:53] <unix_infidel> erm fatejudger *
[08:53] <unix_infidel> :P
[08:54] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: crimsun is usually the one that gives me a hard time
[08:54] <Jucato> loook at whose /whois?!?!?
[08:54] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: are you new?
[08:54] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: ops are ops.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: crimsun is a  very reasonable person - if he gives you a hrd time then consider yoour behaviour
[08:54] <fatejudger> yeah, well it's BS, and it reminds me why I stopped helping people out in this channel
[08:54] <ironfroggy> why can i not find the lighttpd package?
[08:54] <bugnthecode> I'm having some issues with my screen resolution changing. I finally have it set so that when the kdm login screen comes up it's at 1024x768 but when I log in it keeps changing to 640x480
[08:54] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm not new - I've been an op for more than a year
[08:55] <Hobbsee> sigh.  what's the problem?
[08:55] <bugnthecode> any ideas?
[08:55] <Darkkish> are there any free partition editors for windows?
[08:55] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: hey Hobbs
[08:55] <Darkkish> i need to edit my ntfs
[08:55] <Jucato> hmm... Kiongku, Firefox is reporting 100kbps?
[08:55] <Darkkish> i give up on wow for tonight
[08:55] <Darkkish> i'm logging to windows
[08:55] <Jucato> err my mistake
[08:55] <Darkkish> later guys
[08:55] <Kiongku> jucato: lol mine get 10KB/s too
[08:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: around that same average
[08:56] <Darkkish> i'll be back tomarrow
[08:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: 3kbps
[08:56] <Kiongku> jucato: forget it.. the link was crappy anyway
[08:56] <flake> take it easy Dark
[08:56] <Kiongku> jucato: thx
[08:56] <Jucato> it's probably their server
[08:56] <randy> Hello
[08:56] <ubuntu_> ah
[08:57] <Kiongku> now my next question.. i'm bored konversation opens konqueror on html link.. how to get it auto open firefox
[08:57] <ubuntu_> ah
[08:57] <unix_infidel> hmm, i wonder do all ops in #kubuntu have the same privs in #ubuntu, #edubuntu, etc etc.
[08:57] <Jucato> Kiongku: System Settings > KDE Components > Default Applications
[08:58] <Kiongku> k checking
[08:58] <thoreauputic> unix_infidel: not necessarily
[08:58] <randy> strange, my adept pkg mngr has disappeared completely from my computer after performing flawlessly for months, any ideas?
[08:58] <Jucato> Kiongku: change the Web Browser to open with "firefox -remote 'openURL(%u,new-tab)'"
[08:58] <unix_infidel> thoreauputic: i meant that as, is this a general rule for when individuals attain ops.
[08:58] <unix_infidel> i see this is not the case, thanks :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic> unix_infidel: no, ops are given on a per-channel basis
[08:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: so are you one of the package maintainers for Ubuntu?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: no
[08:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: well what exactly do you do around here?
[08:59] <dein> how do i find packages for the latest xine-libs?
[08:59] <crimsun> dein: those are only in Edgy
[09:00] <dein> gah
[09:00] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: heh - until a few months ago I practically lived in #ubuntu helping people - if you had been sround then you would know
[09:00] <dein> thats not cool, mplayer can play h.264 better than xine under dapper
[09:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I used to be a regular in here until about 3-4 months ago
[09:01] <randy> strange, my adept pkg mngr has disappeared completely from my computer after performing flawlessly for months, any ideas?
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: after Dapper came out too many Windows converts flooded the channel
[09:01] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: there was a feeding frenzy :)
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: you can barely talk in #ubuntu anymore
[09:01] <dein> eh, is that such a bad thing fate?
[09:01] <unix_infidel> dein: depends. on the user quality.
[09:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I guess I'm just one of those people that believes in the exclusivity of Linux
[09:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: well, #ubuntu-offtopic is a fun channel
[09:02] <dein> more kubuntu users there is, the faster development happens
[09:02] <Jucato> randy: not even if you try launching Adept from the command line?
[09:02] <fatejudger> yeah, thanks
[09:02] <unix_infidel> "Linux for Human Beings"
[09:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: the Ubuntu community tries to be welcoming to newcomers I guess
[09:02] <unix_infidel> ^^^
[09:02] <fatejudger> yeah
[09:03] <fatejudger> I learned the hard way, so I suppose that my views aren't shared by all
[09:03] <Kiongku> jucato: there is instant messenger and its kopete by default.. i have aMSN installed but its not in the list
[09:04] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I used to hang out in #debian - so I know the other side of the fence pretty well. Somtimes it's easy to forget what it was like when you started though
[09:04] <maltaethiron> is anyone that was trying to help me install flash player the other night in here right now?
[09:04] <Jucato> Kiongku: I meant that you have to change the default Web Browser
[09:04] <Kiongku> jucato: already done XD
[09:04] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: yeah, I did have a big Slackware fan help me get started years ago
[09:04] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: in general ubuntu channels require a certain politeness that some others don't :)
[09:04] <Kiongku> jucato: was just looking at the instant messenging
[09:05] <Jucato> so the links are opening in Firefox now?
[09:05] <Kiongku> jucato: the link in konvo yes
[09:05] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: also because #ubuntu is so big now, we have to be stricter
[09:06] <flake> i'm getting double signal fault:  errors with wolf et
[09:06] <flake> ugh
[09:06] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it becomes difficult to be polite when every other question is on installing programs or changing some obvious setting
[09:07] <Kiongku> !flash
[09:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:07] <randy> jucato: nope, adept from the command line, nope - not in search either
[09:07] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: true - that's one reason I took a break - compassion fatigue ;)
[09:07] <Kiongku> ubuntu pages are slow to respond
[09:07] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I work at Best Buy, so I have to deal with stupid people on a daily basis, it's quite difficult
[09:07] <Jucato> randy: hmm... what did you do before this happened?
[09:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: which pages?
[09:08] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I can imagine :)
[09:08] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey hows it going?
[09:08] <maltaethiron> web pages maybe?
[09:08] <aliasfred> one said 'even master have master' aka considere that people who know more than you may treat you the same way you treat people who more less than you
[09:08] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I don't think you ever told me what you do for the Ubuntu project
[09:08] <randy> jucato: i don't know, just the ususal bunch of web browsing
[09:08] <ubuntu___> hi all
[09:08] <aliasfred> it would help you to be respectuous
[09:09] <maltaethiron> yo ubuntu___
[09:09] <Kiongku> jucato: help.ubuntu.com in general.. may be i'm far from the server
[09:09] <Kiongku> Kiongku: it justs takes longer to seek out :p
[09:09] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I don't have the same tolerance for ineptitude that you do obviously
[09:09] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: mostly helping out on mailing lists at the moment - I haven't been as active lately due to health issues amongst other things
[09:09] <fatejudger> I suppose it's a matter of one's personality
[09:09] <Jucato> randy: let's try reinstalling it. In Konsole, "sudo apt-get install adept" (without the quotes)
[09:10] <Jucato> randy: if it was uninstalled, that should bring it back (I Hope)
[09:10] <randy> jucato: ok
[09:10] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: I usually see just Hobbsee or crimsun on here
[09:10] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm just a community member/volunteer - not an ubergeek :)
[09:10] <Kiongku> jucato: do u have flash player?
[09:10] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: heh, I'm surprised they take you guys on
[09:10] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeah
[09:10] <Kiongku> jucato: what did u install
[09:11] <aliasfred> fatejudger: now that things are cooler, you may read the ubuntu code of conduct and see what it is about. ubuntu is a lot about this according to me. it may be shortly summarized as 'lets drop the bofh attitude' :)
[09:11] <Jucato> Kiongku: flashplayer-nonfree
[09:11] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: well, we need both technical people and people with other skills - I seem to be able to help
[09:12] <Kiongku> jucato: its not in the normal repos right?
[09:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: errr.. I meant flashplugin-nonfree
[09:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: and, it's in the multiverse repositories
[09:13] <Kiongku> jucato: can u give the repo line
[09:13] <maltaethiron> jucato: i finally figured out how to get flashplugin-nonfree
[09:13] <Jucato> Kiongku: you just need to add the word "multiverse" to "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe"
[09:13] <Kiongku> jucato: k
[09:14] <maltaethiron> jucato: i was having such a friggin hard time the other night, were you in here at the time?
[09:14] <Jucato> maltaethiron: I don't think I was. or I was online but not paying attention...
[09:14] <maltaethiron> ok
[09:14] <Jucato> why? what happened?
[09:14] <maltaethiron> i just tried everything everyone was telling me to do
[09:15] <maltaethiron> like add multiverse repositories and whatnot
[09:15] <maltaethiron> but earlier i found a bug bunch of sweet repos that just replace sources.list
[09:15] <Jucato> ehehe... it can be quite confusing when so many people are giving you instructions at the same time...
[09:15] <maltaethiron> and i can install everything i need now
[09:15] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: Kubuntu needs more technical people than anything
[09:15] <Jucato> that's kool! glad you found it
[09:15] <Kiongku> jucato: is swf-player any good?
[09:16] <maltaethiron> thanks =D
[09:16] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: they had a hard time keeping up with Ubuntu throughout the last set of Flights
[09:16] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: share the repos.. i have to check something too :p
[09:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: not really sure...
[09:16] <maltaethiron> ok, one sec kiongku
[09:16] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it surprises me that Mark Shuttleworth doesn't find Kubuntu to be of enough value to warrant 2-3 more salaried employees
[09:16] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: not finding flashplugin-nonfree in the normal repos
[09:16] <Jucato> I haven't actually found a need to install the swf-player... (I don't even know what it's for...)
[09:16] <randy> jucato: thanks for your help, I couldn't remember the dang command, but thanks it is working again, weird
[09:17] <Jucato> fatejudger: I think he did promise to hire more developers for Kubuntu last time he gave a public talk
[09:17] <Kiongku> jucato: i just tried it bcoz i could not see the flashplugin-nonfree
[09:17] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: whatever. The community council decided I had made a significant contribution - so here I am re: sabdfl - Mark is very pro Kubuntu
[09:17] <Jucato> randy: sure. glad I could help
[09:17] <unix_infidel> fatejudger: cheap nerds are cheap nerds.  But at the same time if they felt that the release cycles were impacting quality they would have changed it.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: it's a question of priorities as always
[09:17] <fatejudger> unix_infidel: they have and do
[09:17] <maltaethiron> Kiongku: backup your current sources.list, and then replace it all through "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" with the repos im gonna give you
[09:18] <randy> jucato: weird, I have not idea what erased it, I guess I better do some fast backing up
[09:18] <Jucato> maltaethiron: before you give the repos
[09:18] <Kiongku> maltaethiron k
[09:18] <Jucato> maltaethiron: better just use pastebin instead
[09:18] <maltaethiron> right right
[09:19] <Jucato> randy: Adept has a nasty habit of not telling you outrightly what it's about to do. It expects you will always look at the status bar
[09:19] <maltaethiron> !pastebin
[09:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:20] <Jucato> maybe someday Kubuntu will have more developers...
[09:20] <Kiongku> jucato: why.. more devs on ubuntu?
[09:20] <Jucato> Kiongku: on Kubuntu....
[09:21] <fatejudger> they need more PAID devs working on Kubuntu
[09:21] <maltaethiron> jucato, kiongku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20737
[09:21] <Jucato> paid or not, just developers totally focused on Kubuntu... of course, paid developers would be nice :-D
[09:21] <maltaethiron> that's my sources.list
[09:21] <fatejudger> having unpaid people bickering about minute details because they feel entitled to since they're not being compensated slows down the development process
[09:22] <gfhfgh> !wlan
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wlan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <Jucato> fatejudger: doesn't work like that always, though.
[09:22] <gfhfgh> !wine
[09:22] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:22] <gfhfgh> hello
[09:22] <fatejudger> Jucato: look at Apple
[09:22] <maltaethiron> you should be able to get flashplugin-nonfree no problem with the kiongku
[09:22] <gfhfgh> someone there?
[09:22] <fatejudger> Jucato: hell, look at Microsoft
[09:22] <gfhfgh> my notebook didnt start the new knoppix cd
[09:22] <randy> jucato: i hadn't needed adept for about a week, when I went to start it, it was gone from the K menu and just gone
[09:23] <gfhfgh> ist hangs on the messag
[09:23] <Jucato> fatejudger: look at KDE. not everyone there is paid to work for KDE. of course, a distro isn't exactly the same as a desktop environment
[09:23] <gfhfgh> hotplug hardware detection
[09:23] <maltaethiron> kiongku: did you get it?
[09:23] <fatejudger> Jucato: nothing gets done though
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's just a lot of talk and hype
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: KDE 4 has no release date
[09:24] <Jucato> fatejudger: nothing that we can or should see yet
[09:24] <Jucato> fatejudger: but so does GNOME 3.x
[09:24] <Kiongku_> darn
[09:24] <Kiongku_> i lost my connection
[09:24] <fatejudger> Jucato: Gnome 3.x is vaporware
[09:24] <maltaethiron> ah
[09:24] <Jucato> KDE 4 isn't just "another" release like KDE 3.5
[09:25] <Jucato> this is a MAJOR, very major release
[09:25] <maltaethiron> Kiongku_: did you get my pastebin post bro?
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: so they say, but unless they get some UI designers and artists on board, I don't see it being a huge change
[09:25] <Jucato> you can't expect it to have the same 6 month development period as GNOME has
[09:25] <Kiongku_> maltaethiron: nope. My Modem just hang up just now
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: just look at the sad shape of kde-look.org
[09:25] <gfhfgh> My Knoppix Live-CD 5.01 doesn?t boot, it hangs with the error-msg :" hotplug hardware detection"
[09:25] <fatejudger> Jucato: they have nothing to speak of in the way of graphic design abilities
[09:25] <gfhfgh>  my notebook is an Acer ASPIRE 5672
[09:25] <Jucato> fatejudger: there are usability experts onboard and artists, too
[09:26] <fatejudger> Jucato: they question is whether they're good or not
[09:26] <Kiongku_> jucato: i'm hapy with kde for now..
[09:26] <Jucato> fatejudger: you decide for yourself. to me, they are
[09:26] <maltaethiron> Kiongku_: Ok, make sure to back up your original sources.list before you replace it with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20737
[09:26] <Jucato> I hope you're subscribed to Planet KDE and to dot.kde.org so that you could see the changes
[09:27] <Jucato> you know it's also not easy to be working on KDE 4 while also working for KDE 3.5.x at the same time
[09:27] <maltaethiron> brb
[09:27] <fatejudger> Jucato: if they can scrap KDE 4 together in time for Edgy, the Linux community might have a worthwhile competitor to other companies offerings
[09:27] <Kiongku_> maltaethiron: i just copied my sources.list to sources.listbk in the same directory
[09:27] <fatejudger> Jucato: but I just don't see it happening
[09:27] <Jucato> KDE 4 will definitely NOT make it to Edgy
[09:27] <Jucato> there's no reason for it to try and make it
[09:29] <Jucato> the KDE 4 Tech preview will probably come out by October, BUT it's not something that users can use. Its more for developers and testers
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: right, it's not going to really have any of the fancy "plasma" features in it
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: I think these guys have no idea where to go with this
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: so much is expected of them
[09:31] <maltaethiron> good kiongku_
[09:31] <fatejudger> Jucato: yet they have so little talent to work with
[09:31] <Jucato> fatejudger: how sure are you?
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's just a guess of course
[09:32] <Jucato> fatejudger: where do you get this information from?
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: but an educated one at that
[09:32] <fatejudger> Jucato: look at other whole numbered KDE releases
[09:32] <Jucato> fatejudger: do you regularly view dot.kde.org? are you subscribed to Planet KDE?
[09:32] <Jucato> what should I look for in the whole number of KDE releases?'
[09:32] <fatejudger> actually I do
[09:32] <fatejudger> innovation
[09:33] <maltaethiron> kiongku: did you add the new repos yet?
[09:33] <fatejudger> I've never seen so much hype surrounding any DE release
[09:34] <Jucato> The hype around KDE 4 is less than the hype around Dapper Drake
[09:34] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: yes.. checking the files
[09:34] <maltaethiron> saweet
[09:34] <fatejudger> Jucato: I said DE, not distro
[09:34] <Jucato> well, there are so few DE's to compare it with...
[09:34] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: is it the full repos?
[09:35] <Kiongku> maltaethrion: it seems to have less lines than the original repos given
[09:35] <fatejudger> Jucato: Gnome?
[09:35] <Jucato> fatejudger: has GNOME made any "innovative" plans for new releases lately?
[09:35] <maltaethiron> kiongku: i noticed that too, but everything runs fine, and also i noticed more packages were available with these repos
[09:36] <Jucato> maltaethiron: more packages are available coz multiverse is enabled
[09:36] <fatejudger> Jucato: hardly
[09:36] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: ok.. i'll keep my old sources in the folder in case then. thx
[09:36] <Jucato> the backports, btw don't contain anything
[09:36] <maltaethiron> kiongku: thanks, and thats what i did
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm more interested in coherence and working features than anything else
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: XGL doesn't work with KDE right now, and isn't planned to work until KDE 4
[09:37] <Jucato> fatejudger: I guess we'll just have to see. But unless we are programmers/developers and have the KDE SVN builds, we cannot really say that they haven't been doing anything
[09:37] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm sure they're busy as hell porting code
[09:38] <fatejudger> Jucato: but all the new technologies in the world aren't going to matter if they don't use them
[09:38] <fatejudger> Jucato: and use them well
[09:38] <Jucato> fatejudger: you also have to remember that they're porting stuff to Qt4. It might not be the easiest thing in the world
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: I'm not saying it is
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: that's the easy part though
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: the stuff that takes time is the rewriting of KWin
[09:39] <Jucato> fatejudger: probably not. depends from where you're looking
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: especially with all this fancy XGL stuff that's coming out
[09:39] <Kiongku> ah at last the flashplugin-nonfree
[09:39] <fatejudger> Jucato: basic bundled apps
[09:40] <fatejudger> Jucato: Kate, Konqueror, etc
[09:40] <Jucato> fatejudger: XGL isn't that essential
[09:40] <Jucato> it's pretty, but not essential
[09:40] <fatejudger> Jucato: it's very essential, at least if Ubuntu wants to do anything about bug #1
[09:40] <fatejudger> which I personally don't consider a bug at all
[09:40] <Jucato> but we're talking about KDE here. not Ubuntu.
[09:40] <fatejudger> I'd be happy if Linux's market share never increased
[09:41] <fatejudger> as long as devels used it
[09:41] <fatejudger> but from their standpoint
[09:41] <fatejudger> it's essential
[09:41] <Jucato> bring back "Linux for the geeks"?
[09:41] <Jucato> whose standpoint?
[09:41] <fatejudger> no, not really
[09:41] <fatejudger> but not go any further than we are now
[09:41] <fatejudger> incorporating just enough people to make it innovative and usable
[09:41] <fatejudger> not bland and boring
[09:41] <fatejudger> ie fluxbox
[09:42] <Kiongku> anybody knows a good equivalent of Photoshop cs2 here
[09:42] <crimsun> (Eh, that's an opinion. Many people find Fluxbox anything but bland and boring.)
[09:42] <maltaethiron> good question
[09:42] <Jucato> Kiongku: the GIMP? Krita?
[09:42] <fatejudger> Kiongku: Gimp, Pixel
[09:42] <Jucato> oh and Pixel
[09:42] <fatejudger> I'm not recommending Krita until it stops rasterizing text
[09:43] <fatejudger> Pixel is probably your best bet right now
[09:43] <Kiongku> Krita.. no idea
[09:43] <fatejudger> since Gimp is confusing and difficult to use
[09:43] <Jucato> well, let him decide which he wants
[09:43] <thoreauputic> crimsun: fluxbox FTW ! ( I'm one of those that don't find it bland and boring)
[09:44] <crimsun> (I honestly don't care what DE is on my desktop as long as it doesn't get in my way.)
[09:44] <fatejudger> it's not just bland and boring, it's unusable
[09:44] <Kiongku> the flashplugin-nonfree works like a charm
[09:44] <fatejudger> usability and sanity is key
[09:44] <Jucato> again, just an opinion
[09:44] <maltaethiron> w00t for kiongku
[09:44] <fatejudger> it needs to be easy to use and easy to look at
[09:44] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: that's really not true at all
[09:44] <Jucato> some people find fluxbox usable and sane
[09:44] <Jucato> different strokes for different folks
[09:44] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: fluxbox is extremely usable
[09:45] <Kiongku> lol
[09:45] <aliasfred> usability and sanity are a matter of personnal opinion :)
[09:45] <fatejudger> that's true
[09:45] <thoreauputic> ---->> offtopic I'll stop mow
[09:45] <thoreauputic> *now
[09:45] <fatejudger> but we're talking about the vast majority of people though
[09:45] <fatejudger> that IS the Ubuntu philosophy, is it not?
[09:45] <Jucato> and how would you know that that's the opinion of the vast majority?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> hence the emphasis on major DE s
[09:46] <fatejudger> 95% of people seem to find Windows to be an acceptable OS
[09:46] <Jucato> because of different factors
[09:46] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: 89.3546% of statisitics are made up on the spot
[09:46] <fatejudger> lol
[09:46] <maltaethiron> then 95% of people must not know what makes a good OS
[09:46] <fatejudger> that one is true though
[09:46] <Kiongku> no 95% person of the ppl are short-sighted
[09:47] <cryptom> Hi all, I updated KDE from 3.5.3 to 3.5.4, now I have ugly fonts! Is this known behavior?
[09:47] <fatejudger> don't get me wrong, I use Kubuntu, and I find it to be a great OS
[09:47] <fatejudger> I'd never use Windows
[09:47] <fatejudger> but Windows is a great OS
[09:47] <Kiongku> i use both kubuntu and windows
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: they're not anti-aliased
[09:47] <maltaethiron> i have all three OSs in my house
[09:47] <Jucato> Windows is/can be/was a good OS for many different reasons
[09:47] <Kiongku> kept windows bcoz of compatibilty issues with my usual programs
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: go back into System settings -> appearence -> fonts
[09:47] <fatejudger> cryptom: uncheck and check anti-aliased fonts
[09:48] <maltaethiron> i have a dell with windows, a laptop with linux (kubuntu), and an imac g4 and powermac g4
[09:48] <Kiongku> maltaehtiron: LOL so many pcs..
[09:48] <cryptom> fatejudger, thanks ;-)
[09:48] <fatejudger> cryptom: np
[09:49] <maltaethiron> kiongku: haha, i've got two pcs (one windows one linux), two macs, and a laptop with kubuntu
[09:49] <Jucato> wow!
[09:49] <fatejudger> XP is easy to use, works with most every device, and is secure with the right software installed
[09:49] <fatejudger> but at crimsun pointed out, some DEs get in your way
[09:49] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: lol lool.. i haev only one
[09:49] <maltaethiron> needless to say, i can handle basically any software thrown my way
[09:50] <fatejudger> and Windows is one of those OSes IMO, but that's only because I know what I'm doing
[09:50] <Jucato> except that: it's too easy to use, works with most devices made for it, the "right software" must be purchased
[09:50] <fatejudger> I deal with people every day that think that IE or Yahoo is the internet
[09:50] <Kiongku> ok.. each one.. tell me what prog u found the best to edit images in kubuntu
[09:50] <fatejudger> some people think that you can transmit power through the air
[09:50] <maltaethiron> kiongku: wanna know the funny thing?  im not anywhere near being rich
[09:50] <Jucato> marketing, brainwashing, etc...
[09:50] <fatejudger> and I wonder whether they've watched too much star trek
[09:50] <fatejudger> people are stupid though
[09:50] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: hehe
[09:51] <Jucato> you can transmit power through the air. depends on what you mean by "power"
[09:51] <fatejudger> and Windows is great for stupid people
[09:51] <fatejudger> Jucato: I had a lady come in the other day asking for a "wireless" computer
[09:51] <Kiongku> i'm used to photoshop cs2 and macromedia fireworks from windows.. too bad they are not on linux
[09:51] <Jucato> stupid != ignorant
[09:51] <fatejudger> Jucato: I found out several minutes later that she wanted to charge her computer wirelessly
[09:52] <Kiongku> lol
[09:52] <fatejudger> Jucato: with magical electricity from the air
[09:52] <maltaethiron> magical electricity ftw!!
[09:52] <Jucato> lol
[09:52] <Kiongku> yeah
[09:52] <fatejudger> maltaethiron: lol
[09:52] <Kiongku> i want one
[09:52] <Jucato> ok that's just ignorance, not stupidity
[09:52] <fatejudger> no, people are truly stupid
[09:52] <Kiongku> then i can go in the forest.. and still have a pc XD
[09:53] <Jucato> ok.. getting off topic
[09:53] <fatejudger> lol
[09:53] <fatejudger> if someone has a question, no one is stopping them from asking
[09:53] <fatejudger> I already answered a couple
[09:53] <fatejudger> and I was under the impression that was what this channel was for
[09:53] <maltaethiron> yeah, and im a noob and i helped someone
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> feel free to chat in -offtopic - thats why its there
[09:53] <aliasfred> maltaethiron: ?
[09:53] <maltaethiron> so =P lol
[09:54] <maltaethiron> just messin aliasfred
[09:54] <aliasfred> ok
[09:54] <maltaethiron> a little slap-happy, it is 4 in the morning for me, afterall
[09:54] <fatejudger> my point is, Linux has a place and its market share is almost topped out
[09:54] <fatejudger> I wish everyone was smart enough to use Linux
[09:55] <fatejudger> but they just aren't
[09:55] <aliasfred> fatejudger: a great topic for #kubuntu-offoptic :)
[09:55] <Kiongku> jucato: did u try GIMP?
[09:55] <fatejudger> aliasfred: I'm sure it would be, if such a channel existed
[09:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeah
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger, #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:56] <Kiongku> offoptic
[09:56] <fatejudger> Kamping_Kaiser: I was just giving him a hard time
[09:56] <Kiongku> Jucato: is it Photoshop like?.. i mean the functions
[09:56] <maltaethiron> bro, its a real channel
[09:56] <Jucato> Kiongku: the functions, mostly yes. the interface, nope
[09:56] <fatejudger> Kiongku: if you want something that's like Photoshop, try Pixel
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> fatejudger, i was making sure that spelling wasnt an excuse
[09:57] <Jucato> could I humbly ask who are the ops here? Kopete doesn't show which guys are ops...
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, there is noone opped atm
[09:57] <Kiongku> fatejudger: cant find pixel in the repos
[09:57] <fatejudger> Kiongku: google
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Jucato: we only op when necessary
[09:57] <Kiongku> fatejudger: lol ok
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, look in #ubuntu-ops iirc
[09:57] <fatejudger> no one has answered the question I came in here for to begin with
[09:58] <fatejudger> about my volume changing when playing embedded video
[09:58] <fatejudger> in Konqueror
[09:58] <fatejudger> I have a feeling it has to do with this dumb USB sound card I have
[09:58] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I've noticed the same thing with the mplayer plugin for firefox - I expect it's an mplayer config thing
[09:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: mplayer plugin is noticeably louder than xine based plugins here
[09:59] <Jucato> Maybe it's like XMMS? XMMS' volume control actually controls the system volume
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: kmplayer
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it's not that
[09:59] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: it actually adjusts my master volume to around 80%
[09:59] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: *cough* kmplayer is just a front end for mplayer
[10:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: first of all, not necesarialy
[10:00] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[10:00] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: and secondly, they've been trying to move away from that
[10:00] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: OK you know best as always
[10:00] <aliasfred> hehe
[10:00] <Jucato> *sigh*
[10:00] <Kiongku> hey ppl.. can i instruct amarok to play music from a device?
[10:00] <fatejudger> "A new name, KMPlayer sounds like a frontend to MPlayer, no?"
[10:00] <fatejudger> http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[10:00] <aliasfred> ok ill be back when people with attitude wont be there, see ya :)
[10:01] <Jucato> bye!!
[10:01] <fatejudger> thoreauputic: read if you don't believe
[10:01] <Jucato> well, it's in their plans
[10:01] <fatejudger> but it's implying that it isn't just a frontend to mplayer
[10:01] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I have all the interset of a man waiting for a bus
[10:01] <Jucato> well, actually
[10:01] <Jucato> yeah
[10:02] <thoreauputic> fatejudger: I'm not remotely interested in being right all the time - YMMV
[10:02] <Kiongku> pixel is a paid software even the linux version?
[10:02] <fatejudger> Kiongku: I thought it was free
[10:02] <Jucato> thoreauputic: what does YMMV mean? I think I'm one of those stupid people...
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Jucato: "your mileage may  vary"
[10:02] <Kiongku> If you like this piece of software please support its development by purchasing a copy
[10:02] <ironfroggy> heh "even the linux version"
[10:03] <fatejudger> Kiongku: doesn't mean you have to
[10:03] <Jucato> let me check...
[10:03] <fatejudger> Kiongku: you can still download it
[10:03] <Jucato> but IIRC, Pixel isn't free
[10:04] <Kiongku> hmm
[10:04] <Kiongku> have to pay for updates
[10:04] <Jucato> http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=12 Pixel is not free software, if you like it and want to support its development, you may consider Purchasing a copy. Licensing and prices are very fair, and include unlimited support.
[10:04] <Kiongku> bleh
[10:04] <fatejudger> link to download http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/?page_id=4%2F&os=c3302ab71a6b1eb5ffae05551fdf85c4&mail=#
[10:04] <Jucato> is that the website of Pixel?
[10:04] <fatejudger> x86 version
[10:05] <fatejudger> beta is free
[10:05] <maltaethiron> woot for betas
[10:05] <Kiongku> ok .. now the audio player.. amarok.. it cant read a playlist found in my external hdd
[10:05] <Kiongku> is it normal?
[10:06] <Jucato> trying to play MP3s?
[10:06] <ironfroggy> you know what the problem is with the linux commercial software bussiness? linux users. no wonder everyone refuses to make linux versions. even if there are enough linux users, most of them refuse to pay for anything.
[10:06] <fatejudger> KIOslaves are horribly supported
[10:06] <Kiongku> Jucato: yeah
[10:07] <Jucato> Kiongku: you need to install "libxine-extracodecs"
[10:07] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: better than being an Apple user and paying 20 bucks for stupid little Calendar apps
[10:07] <fatejudger> or 150 bucks for .mac
[10:07] <maltaethiron> amen fatejudger
[10:07] <ironfroggy> omg payment for products and services, its a crime against humanity.
[10:07] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: hardly, I'm a big fan of commercial software
[10:07] <Kiongku> Jucato: ok
[10:08] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: then whats the problem?
[10:08] <Jucato> ironfroggy: nothing wrong with payment for services or products, but for the software? you have to go back to the roots of FOSS
[10:08] <maltaethiron> heh
[10:08] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: no problem, just pointing out the lesser of two evils
[10:08] <ironfroggy> Jucato: the software is the product...
[10:09] <Jucato> you have to remember the principles upon which the GNU part of GNU/Linux is built.
[10:09] <fatejudger> ironfroggy: that is between Linux and Apple users
[10:09] <ironfroggy> Jucato: oh you mean those nutjobs that are making the entire community look bad?
[10:09] <fatejudger> most commercial apps are of better quality than GPLed ones, you get what you pay for
[10:09] <fatejudger> or don't pay for in this case...
[10:09] <Jucato> ironfroggy: yeah, the nutjobs who made all these possible
[10:10] <Jucato> of course, there's always BSD
[10:10] <ironfroggy> stallman is a stain.
[10:10] <Jucato> he may not be the most pleasing person, but one cannot deny what he did
[10:11] <ironfroggy> honestly, i believe what he did good would have been done anyway and better if he hadn't done it wrong.
[10:11] <Jucato> think of it this way: programming, software development is a science.
[10:11] <fatejudger> personally, I'm tired of the whole high and might GPL argument
[10:12] <fatejudger> where everything that isn't under the GPL license is somehow "evil"
[10:12] <Jucato> since when did scientists make money or charge for the results of their research and development?
[10:12] <ironfroggy> fatejudger: yes very much part of my point.
[10:12] <fatejudger> have you heard Jonathon Riddell's last podcast?
[10:12] <ironfroggy> Jucato: since they started eating food and not sleeping on dirt piles.
[10:12] <thoreauputic> OK, I'm only going to say this once: the discussion is interesting but totally offtopic - please take it to -offtopic
[10:12] <Kiongku> Jucato: yeah now i have a working audio player
[10:12] <Jucato> Kiongku: kool
[10:12] <fatejudger> if he made a comment about microsoft, you could bet that he would follow it with the word "evil"
[10:13] <thoreauputic> new people who need help are going to be turned away if we cntinue with this
[10:13] <ubuntu> http:\\www.ubuntu/it.org
[10:13] <ironfroggy> i have no problem with migrating
[10:13] <Jucato> i'm stopping
[10:13] <ironfroggy> ah i like a good debaste
[10:13] <ironfroggy> i need to spread the word
[10:13] <Jucato>  a good debate in the wrong place
[10:14] <Kiongku> debaste?
[10:14] <fatejudger> Jucato: you joining in on the fun?
[10:14] <maltaethiron> yum, debaste
[10:14] <Jucato> nope
[10:14] <Jucato> I don't have the urge to constantly try to defend my views
[10:14] <ubuntu> http:\\www.ubuntu.org
[10:14] <Jucato> ... what is ubuntu trying to do?
[10:15] <vranikx> hello all, does anybody knows how can i associate torrent files to open in ktorrent? every time when i open .torrent i must type ktorrent to open it...what i must do?
[10:15] <maltaethiron> thoreauputic has been given the power
[10:15] <Jucato> vranikx: next time the dialog box opens up (where you have to type in Ktorrent)
[10:15] <Kiongku> where is the menu where i can assign shortkeys ?
[10:15] <maltaethiron> jucato: looks like he's supporting ubuntu?
[10:16] <Jucato> there's a check box there that you can enable to make it remember your choice
[10:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: global key shortcuts: System Settings > Regional & Accessibility > Keyboards Shortcuts
[10:16] <maltaethiron> im out, peace all
[10:16] <Jucato> Kiongku: key shortcuts per application: Settings > Configure Shortcuts
[10:17] <vranikx> Jucato: but when i click in ktorrent to .torrent file it opens menu, when i must type ktorrent (there are no something like use allways this program to open this type of file
[10:18] <Jucato> err... could someone help vranikx? I need to go out for a while...
[10:18] <shrewdy> a lot of mame roms i try to use tell me that they're missing files.... :(
[10:18] <Kiongku> JucatoL i see
[10:18] <shrewdy> like marvel V capcom
[10:18] <vranikx> Jucato: so i need to know how can i associate it to open in ktorrent (something like mime type)
[10:18] <vranikx> Jucato: aha, than jucato...
[10:18] <shrewdy> whoops, sorry i meant to say that in offtopic room :) pardon me
[10:35] <Kiongku> hm
[10:36] <Kiongku> anyone knows sysreset?
[10:36] <Kiongku> nvm
[10:40] <_rince_> mrgn
[11:17] <michael__> hallo
[11:27] <Emess> im trying to run photoshop 7. imageready loads fine, but for hpotoshop itself the icon just bounces next to my cursor and then disappears without the app opening, im using wine 0.9.9
[11:28] <Emess> got this error:
[11:28] <Emess>  fixme:actctx:QueryActCtxW stub!
[11:28] <Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:28] <Emess> Major opcode of failed request:  145 (XInputExtension)
[11:28] <Emess> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_OpenDevice)
[11:28] <Emess> Serial number of failed request:  35
[11:28] <Emess> Current serial number in output stream:  35
[11:29] <Emess> any ideas?
[11:29] <Tm_T> Emess: photoshop? wine?
[11:29] <Emess> photoshop in wine, because gimp is crappy and i dont want to use gimpshop
[11:30] <Tm_T> Emess: hmm, doublecheck wine settings
[11:30] <Emess> what settings would i need to check?
[11:31] <Tm_T> well, 12:28 < Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:31] <Tm_T> input device it seems
[11:31] <liviux> hi all
[11:31] <Tm_T> Emess: hmm, one thing...
[11:32] <Tm_T> http://www.winehq.org/ says Wine 0.9.19 Released
[11:32] <Tm_T> so, if you're using 0.9.9 just upgrade
[11:33] <Emess> true
[11:33] <Emess> but its meant to work fine in 0.9.2
[11:34] <Emess> il try an upgrade then :)
[11:36] <Emess> reckons iv got the latest...
[11:36] <Emess>  fixme:actctx:QueryActCtxW stub!
[11:36] <Emess> X Error of failed request:  BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device
[11:36] <Emess> Major opcode of failed request:  145 (XInputExtension)
[11:36] <Tm_T> anyway, I can't see photoshop in platinum, gold nor silver compatibility list
[11:36] <Emess> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_OpenDevice)
[11:36] <Emess> Serial number of failed request:  35
[11:36] <Emess> Current serial number in output stream:  35
[11:36] <Emess> damnit wrong paste...
[11:37] <Emess> photoshop 7.0
[11:37] <Emess> its in platinum
[11:37] <Emess> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[11:37] <Emess> no upgrade here...
[11:37] <Tm_T> Emess: well, err, I doubt ubuntu repositories has newest wine
[11:38] <Tm_T> yup, 0.9.9 in repositories, 0.9.19 released
[11:39] <Tm_T> Emess: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[11:49] <mag_> Does anyone here know of an alternative downloading program to bittorent? i set my roomate up with linux and he loves everything exept bittorent, hes used to the limewire enviornment
[11:49] <thoreauputic> you can get limewire for linux
[11:50] <mag_> and i tried setting up limewire on linux... java is sending me corrupt binary files, i figure it will just be easier to get somthing simaler
[11:50] <chakie_work> mag_: ktorrent is a nice torrent client
[11:50] <chakie_work> i like the way you can just drag and drop torrent urls from a browser onto ktorrent
[11:50] <thoreauputic> !limewire
[11:50] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[11:51] <mag_> yeah i know, i love it, my roomate cannot grasp the concept of why its better though, im starting to think i should just reinstall windoze for him
[11:51] <thoreauputic> mag_: you can install java from multiverse
[11:51] <thoreauputic> !java
[11:51] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:51] <mag_> ah, thankyou
[11:52] <Emess> theres also anotehr ed2k client for kde, kmule i think, and plenty of others
[11:52] <thoreauputic> mag_: don't forget to run  sudo update-alternatives --config java  after installing it
[11:52] <mag_> ok, ill install both for him so he quites his whineing
[11:52] <thoreauputic> heh :)
[11:53] <thoreauputic> azureus works well with java here, if he likes that for BT
[11:54] <Emess> azureus is a bastard
[11:54] <mag_> hey wait a minute... ive seen him on bash before...
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Emess: how so? Works well here...
[11:55] <Emess> its very clunky
[11:55] <thoreauputic> Emess: what do you mean?
[11:55] <Emess> it works well, but i prefer utorrent or ktorrent for kde
[11:56] <thoreauputic> ah OK - well whatever you prefer of course
[11:56] <Emess> iv found my computer gets a bit sluggish when i run it, and its a 3ghz 1gb ram box
[11:56] <Emess> for windows tho its my favorite :D
[11:56] <mag_> ok well thankyou everyone, and saying java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on both sexes
[11:56] <m4g1c> lol
[11:56] <Emess> i was about to quote that...
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Emess: lots of tips on the azureus wiki about reducing resource use with it - currently it's using 8% CPU here
[11:57] <Emess> im happy with ktorrent tho, so il leave it
[11:57] <thoreauputic> I agree that java is a bit of a pig though :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> yes ktorrent is nice :)
[12:05] <Emess> his is wierd, my terminal si showing the speed in bytes for apt-get, and even then its doing like 6000B/s only :S
[12:13] <eeos> !ppp
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:13] <eeos> !kppp
[12:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kppp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <tsdgeos> anyone from belgium around?
[12:15] <eeos> do you know about a graphical pppoe client for kde?
[12:15] <tsdgeos> nope sorry
[12:16] <Kiongku> pppoe?
[12:16] <dhq> i have apache 2 installed i want to install php5 and my-sql
[12:16] <Kiongku> dhq: lol install then
[12:16] <dhq> Kiongku: have it installed but dont know how to configure them
[12:18] <admin_> hola
[12:19] <tsdgeos> admin_: hi
[12:19] <admin_> spanish channel?
[12:19] <admin_> hi
[12:19] <Tm_T> !es
[12:19] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[12:20] <Kiongku> lo
[12:20] <Kiongku> *lol
[12:20] <Kiongku> !en
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about en - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <Kiongku> !eng
[12:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eng - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:20] <Kiongku> XD
[12:24] <Emess> dhq: for webservers you really need slackware, then you jsut open teh servers config file and uncomment webserver and ftp :P
[12:24] <Kiongku> slackware is another distro?
[12:24] <stray77> yes it is
[12:25] <Kiongku> ah..
[12:25] <stray77> i think there at slackware 10.1
[12:25] <stray77> im a recent convert
[12:25] <Kiongku> btw guys.. is there any prog to write to ntfs?
[12:27] <stray77> you can write to your ntfs partitions in linux but it isnt really recommended
[12:27] <Kiongku> corruption?
[12:27] <deb> Hi *
[12:27] <stray77> potentially
[12:27] <Kiongku> deb: Hi
[12:27] <stray77> large file issues too
[12:28] <Kiongku> stray77: nvm then.. i just bored having to start windows to write to my ntfs drive
[12:29] <Kiongku> stray77: what does slackware use as desktop?
[12:30] <stray77> http://ubuntuos.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/howto-write-to-windows-ntfs-drive-from-ubuntu-ntfs-3g/
[12:30] <deb> when I try to use the smb:// it says The process for the smb protocol died unexpectedly. in konqueror.
[12:31] <deb> Any one with some solution / alternative ?
[12:31] <Kiongku> thx stray77
[12:31] <Emess> heh still fialing
[12:32] <Emess> Slack doesnt have a desktop on default, but if you install, its KDE or XFCE, depending on which cd you use
[12:32] <Kiongku> Erness: i see
[12:32] <Emess> and its up to 10.2, but about to load 11
[12:33] <Emess> its an excellent server distro, i use if for all serving :)
[12:33] <stray77> im behind then
[12:33] <Kiongku> Erness: was just curious.. i just got that distro working 3 days ago ;) not about to scrape it
[12:34] <Kiongku> Erness: Did u try using kubuntu as server yet?
[12:34] <stray77> yep
[12:34] <stray77> not running a gui tho
[12:35] <Kiongku> stray77: what server?
[12:35] <stray77> apache, mysql, php, ftp, telnet
[12:35] <stray77> ssl
[12:37] <stray77> i setup ubuntu 6.06 following the perfect server setup at howto forge
[12:37] <Kiongku> stray77: send me the link. I'll have it as a reference when i'll do it later
[12:37] <Kiongku> stray77: btw ntfs-3g is beta.. so i assume use at your own risk stuff right :P
[12:38] <stray77> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[12:38] <Kiongku> stray77: ty
[12:38] <stray77> but remember we're at 6.06.1 now so keep that in mind
[12:39] <Kiongku> stray77: is there a big diff?
[12:39] <Emess> iv used Vector, various BSD's, Ubuntu, debian, mandrake, FC2,3,4,5, Slack, Arch, and CentOS for servers , maybe more but thoise are the oens i remember
[12:39] <__osh__> Wanna test bugs? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gallery/+bug/32521 or https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/drupal/+bug/32998
[12:39] <stray77> i dunno, havent checked.  but 3 days after downloading burning and installing 6.06, 6.06.1 came out
[12:39] <Emess> any one know how to set kde to use tranparent terminals in konsole?
[12:40] <Emess> gah i havent used kde in ages :(
[12:40] <__osh__> Emess: *BSD is probably the best server I've ever had. Just kept on running no matter what.
[12:40] <Kiongku> Erness: gnome?
[12:41] <grothesk> How do I acitvate ntp in dapper?
[12:42] <grothesk> I'd like to sync my time each boot.
[12:43] <Kiongku> stray77: u are using an ethernet connection?
[12:43] <stray77> yes
[12:43] <Kiongku> Kiongku: i'm using a usb modem with ppp0
[12:43] <Kiongku> ..
[12:43] <stray77> ewww
[12:43] <Kiongku> sorry *stray77
[12:44] <Kiongku> stray77: soz i dunt have the $$ right now to afford a new modem. I'm still a student
[12:44] <stray77> my dsl modem has both usb and rj45 as well as wireless g
[12:44] <stray77> but im just using it as a modem, my dlink router does dhcp for my network
[12:45] <Kiongku> stray77: i see
[12:53] <Gioacchino> please help me
[12:53] <Gioacchino> I had a problem with amule
[12:54] <Gioacchino> I had istalled it
[12:54] <Gioacchino> with sinaptic but the pacage not have web server ...
[12:54] <Gioacchino> how to install it with webserver ?
[12:55] <Gioacchino> !amule
[12:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amule - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:56] <Gioacchino> italiano
[12:57] <Gioacchino> italia
[01:00] <nick_> do sombody know how i get i WMV decoder?
[01:00] <nick_> *a
[01:03] <Gioacchino> use vlc media player
[01:03] <__osh__> !tell nick about easyubuntu
[01:03] <Gioacchino> please help me about amule
[01:03] <__osh__> !tell nick_ about easyubuntu
[01:03] <Gioacchino> please help me about amule web server
[01:04] <Kiongku> cedega is a paid software o0?
[01:04] <jontydog> afternoon how do I fix this error message? dpkg-preconfigure: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:05] <__osh__> Kiongku: yep
[01:05] <Kiongku> doh too bad..
[01:05] <__osh__> Gioacchino: sorry, know nothing about amule except for the very basic stuff.
[01:05] <__osh__> Kiongku: wine is free though.
[01:06] <Kiongku> i still have my windows partition.. maybe i'll consider it when i move to linux completely
[01:06] <martin__>  Hm, I wonder how I get to use UTF8 as standard encoding in quanta. I tried to change the charset in Settings - Enviroment, but it keeps defaulting to koi8
[01:08] <Kiongku> anyone knows how to configure imwheel for kde?
[01:09] <__osh__> Kiongku: what's imwheel?
[01:10] <Kiongku> its an emulator to enable extra buttons on mouse to work
[01:11] <Kiongku> i think so
[01:12] <__osh__> Kiongku: http://imwheel.sourceforge.net/
[01:12] <__osh__> !imwheel
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imwheel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <jontydog> can anyone tell me how to get .mid files playing?
[01:17] <aliasfred> jontydog: tymidity is a software able to play midi file
[01:17] <stray77> what happens when you try to play them?
[01:18] <jontydog> nothing it seems to play but I get no sound
[01:18] <jontydog> all the codecs seem to be installed
[01:18] <stray77> do you get other sound?
[01:18] <jontydog> yes mp3 etc work
[01:19] <jontydog> I have a few midi players installed
[01:19] <stray77> try running alsamixer in a terminal window
[01:20] <stray77> check all the volumes
[01:20] <stray77> there may be a separate slider for midi in there
[01:20] <mulder> hello all
[01:20] <jontydog> ok thanks will have a look
[01:20] <jontydog> never thought of the mixer settings
[01:21] <mulder> hi hawkind
[01:22] <jontydog> hmm there isn't a setting for midi in alsamixer
[01:22] <stray77> did you scroll all the way to the right?
[01:22] <jontydog> yes
[01:23] <mulder> ok I need help (same as yesterday) regarding repositories (cannot download), recognizing my duo core laptop (cannot get Linux-686) and my set a decent resolution for my ati x1400
[01:25] <jujimufu> ok, so, I went to this site: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building and I downloaded git and git-core, and when I run git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm, it says "/usr/bin/gitfm: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied."
[01:25] <jujimufu> any ideas?
[01:25] <stray77> mulder, sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:26] <stray77> for repos
[01:26] <jujimufu> how can you use vi? I never learned how to use it and stuck with nano,  which is easy and quick..
[01:27] <stray77> check http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3 step 6 for what it should look like
[01:28] <stray77> i dont like vi but it works
[01:28] <stray77> just what im used to
[01:28] <J4t_> vi ftw
[01:29] <jontydog> is synth the same as midi in alsamixer?
[01:29] <jontydog> thats on full volume if it is
[01:29] <mulder> I get this Stray http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20755
[01:29] <mulder> VI doesn't work
[01:30] <mulder> I used sudo nano
[01:32] <mulder> I have been trying all day yesterday to have updates working, and so on...If I really can't I will give up with it really.
[01:33] <stray77> whats in /etc/apt/
[01:33] <stray77> find your original sources.list and restore it
[01:34] <mulder> just that command?
[01:34] <stray77> cd /etc/apt
[01:34] <stray77> ls
[01:34] <mulder> hold on i don't follow you
[01:34] <stray77> which part?
[01:35] <mulder> from the begining
[01:35] <stray77> your sources.list has everything commented out with #'s
[01:35] <mulder> what is the full command to type?
[01:35] <stray77> you need to look at all the files named sources.list*
[01:36] <stray77> find the oldest (original)
[01:36] <mulder> in konsole?
[01:36] <stray77> sure
[01:36] <stray77> open konsole
[01:36] <stray77> cd /etc/apt
[01:36] <stray77> ls -ln sources.list*
[01:36] <mulder> arf...what is the full line to type?
[01:36] <stray77> both those
[01:37] <mulder> one after the other?
[01:37] <stray77> yep
[01:37] <stray77> how many different sources.list do you have?
[01:37] <tk> hmm how easy is it to setup 32bit FF for flash in 64bit kubuntu?
[01:39] <Kiongku> anyone knows how to do a scirpt be executed at startup in kde?
[01:39] <Kiongku> *script
[01:40] <Tm_T> Kiongku: place it to ~/.kde/Autostart/
[01:42] <Kiongku> what does the ~ means?
[01:42] <Tm_T> your homedir
[01:42] <Kiongku> home/kde/Autostart?
[01:42] <Tm_T> well, you can use /home/foo where foo is your username or just ~
[01:42] <grothesk> Kiongku: /home/USER/.kde/Autostart
[01:43] <Kiongku> Tm_T: u know about imwheel?
[01:43] <Tm_T> nope
[01:43] <mulder> I don't know If L typed thr ight command
[01:44] <stray77> did you get to /etc/apt ?
[01:45] <mulder> I think I do it wrong
[01:45] <mulder> mulder@gman:/etc/apt$ ln sources.list* is what i typed
[01:45] <stray77> type ls
[01:46] <Scak> does anyone know of a good guide to get WoW working on ubuntu?
[01:46] <stray77> ls is like dir in dos if that helps any
[01:47] <mulder> mulder@gman:/etc/apt$ ls -ln sources.list*
[01:47] <mulder> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2200 2006-08-15 20:11 sources.list
[01:47] <mulder> -rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2200 2006-08-15 20:11 sources.list_backup
[01:47] <mulder> sources.list.d:
[01:47] <mulder> total 0
[01:47] <mulder> this is what I get...sorry for flooding
[01:48] <stray77> ok that doesnt look promising
[01:48] <stray77> they look the same
[01:48] <mulder> pfewww
[01:48] <stray77> anyway, you have to edit sources.list somehow
[01:49] <stray77> go and remove the #'s from in front of the repositorys
[01:49] <stray77> then save it
[01:49] <mulder> in adept right?
[01:49] <stray77> i dunno, never used it
[01:49] <stray77> but probably
[01:50] <Kiongku> thx guys
[01:50] <Kiongku> just checked.
[01:50] <mulder> nothing like that in repositories
[01:50] <stray77> then edit it manually
[01:50] <Kiongku> now my other question. i have to run this command "pon ueagle-atm" in konsole each time i startup
[01:50] <mulder> how Stray?
[01:51] <mulder> and from where?
[01:51] <Kiongku> can u help me write a script for that oin Autostart
[01:51] <stray77> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:51] <Kiongku> *in
[01:51] <stray77> if youre already in /etc/apt then you can just type sudo nano sources.list
[01:53] <mulder> I don't understand really...it is all confusing. Nano, sudo, I have installed Kubuntu 6.06.1, after many tries with 6.06...and still I have the same problems
[01:54] <stray77> sudo give you root privileges
[01:54] <stray77> nano is a text editor
[01:54] <mulder> and kubuntu headaches!
[01:54] <stray77> sources.list is a text file containing the repositorys
[01:55] <tk> mulder: what cant you get working yet?
[01:55] <stray77> you could try sudo apt-get clean
[01:55] <mulder> I wish I knew
[01:55] <stray77> then sudo apt-get update
[01:55] <mulder> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:55] <mulder> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[01:55] <mulder> mulder@gman:~$
[01:56] <mulder> I mean I am connected to internet, so all is fine...why is it so difficult to have things running
[01:57] <tk> mulder: do you have adept running?
[01:58] <mulder> yes
[01:58] <edgy> Hi, apt-get install ktranslator gives: E: Couldn't find package ktranslator though I can see there is a http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/ktranslator, what's wrong please?
[01:58] <bgrimm> Is this normal: For some reason, I have not seen any -upgradable- package notifiers from Adept for a week now, it used to prompt me every day or so with the tray icon showing there were updates available, but I have not seen a notice for a while. Adpet_notifier is running, could I have changed some config setting?
[01:58] <tk> close it and do sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <tk> edgy: can you find it in adept?
[01:59] <stray77> mulder, close everything but your konsole window
[01:59] <stray77> and try again
[02:00] <Kiongku> !Autostart
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Autostart - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <Kiongku> !script
[02:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about script - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:00] <mulder> I get 0% connecting
[02:00] <Kiongku> hmm.. can someone tech me how to write a script for Autostart?
[02:00] <mulder> connecting to gb archive....
[02:00] <Kiongku> *teach
[02:01] <edgy> tk: no it's not in adept and I did an update
[02:01] <tk> Kiongku: arent there ones there to look at for examples?
[02:02] <Kiongku> tk: send me a link to one plz.
[02:03] <mulder> got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20758
[02:03] <mulder> Scully please help me damn it!
[02:03] <Kiongku> my prob is i want to run the command "pon ueagle-atm" in Konsole automaticaly at startup
[02:03] <tk> edgy: i have it, let me find out what repo its in
[02:05] <mulder> Ok I am giving up...have enough this time. Better uninstall eveything and go back to Bindows
[02:05] <martin__> mulder: the little green men tell me your repo is offline
[02:05] <edgy> tk: it's universe I guess
[02:05] <mulder> I have added multiverse and still
[02:06] <tk> mulder: you have little patience to try something new it sounds like
[02:06] <mulder> for 22 hours non stop
[02:06] <martin__> mulder: might be connected to the funny IP you have for it ... 1.0.0.0. Is your DNS Server or ISP blocking access to that server, by any chance?
[02:06] <mulder> you right TK patience is waering thin
[02:07] <tk> mulder: well the fact that you replied "I dont knwo what isnt working" isnt a very good basis to fix stuff on
[02:07] <mulder> isp not blocking anythinf me thinks.. dns shouldn't be 1.0.0.0 though
[02:08] <mulder> yes since yesterday I haven't progressed...frustration of not getting any further
[02:09] <martin__> mulder: what is your current status?
[02:09] <mulder> what do you mean Martin?
[02:09] <martin__> mulder: do you have a system with network connection?
[02:10] <mulder> I am using a wireless router
[02:10] <martin__> mulder: correction: does the system you are trying to install to has a working network connection?
[02:10] <mulder> it does...it is a laptop
[02:11] <martin__> you can have a laptop and still no network. Can you open a browser under linux and surf to e.g. google.com?
[02:11] <mulder> yes I can...I browse the world wide web no probs at all
[02:11] <mulder> within konqueror
[02:12] <martin__> ok. now start "konsole"
[02:12] <mulder> done
[02:12] <stray77> make sources.list look like this ->http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20760
[02:12] <martin__> type "ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com"
[02:13] <martin__> does the pings get returned?
[02:13] <mulder> how can I make sources list look like the ones you sent?
[02:13] <mulder> sorry I am really beginning here...
[02:13] <tk> muldo, kdesu kate sources.list
[02:13] <tk> mulder: rather
[02:13] <martin__> mulder: with a text editor of your choice. try sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:14] <tk> if you are in /etc/apt/ i forgot that part
[02:15] <mulder> Wowowow! everything get so slow when I open Kate
[02:15] <mulder> mouse cursor so slooow
[02:15] <mulder> as well as gnenview
[02:16] <mulder> is it something to do with graphics?
[02:16] <martin__> mulder: this will wear off. I do not see a reason to have gwenview open, however.
[02:16] <martin__> try to keep the application count low when doing administrative work
[02:16] <mulder> me too...that was yesterday. but Kate is doing the same thing
[02:17] <mulder> count low?
[02:17] <mulder> how can I do that?
[02:17] <tk> mulder: what kinda specs does this laptop have?
[02:18] <mulder> duo core 1,6...1 gg ddr II ati x1400 512mb...80 gg hdd
[02:18] <mulder> acer aspire 5672
[02:18] <stray77> well that should be blazing fast
[02:18] <mulder> in windows it is
[02:18] <stray77> then itll be faster in linux
[02:18] <mulder> I hope
[02:19] <stray77> once you get the hang of it
[02:19] <mulder> but even when I open system settings...stuff get slow. I have to close it to go back to normal
[02:19] <stray77> right now youre stuck on editing a text file
[02:19] <mulder> indeed
[02:21] <martin__> I will be tared and feathered for this, but a computer is a tool. If windows *really* suits you better, you should use that. If you are willing to learn, You might see that linux is superior in many ways. However, being whiney about what is better in windows is inconsiderate. Just my 0.02 Euros.
[02:22] <Shinzetsu> does someone know how to wipe a hdd and make 1 huge FAT32 partition on it?
[02:22] <tk> fdisk...
[02:22] <stray77> ya but whatever for?
[02:22] <intelikey> martin i concur
[02:22] <stray77> and huge is relative
[02:22] <martin__> Shinzetsu: try kdesu gparted. it is somehow like partitionmagic
[02:22] <Kiongku> stray77: u know how to write Autostart script?
[02:22] <stray77> fat32 only goes so big
[02:22] <mulder> i really want to use linux...but i would to see some tiny progess. don't need patronising though martin :-)
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> yeah I need to backup my music before I set up this ubuntu/winxp dualboot system
[02:23] <tk> Shinzetsu: ntfs-3g can read/write ntfs... i havent got it auto-mounting via fstab yet but it works when I mount it manuallly
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> problem is,
[02:23] <Shinzetsu> i got everything backed up, but its ext3 ><
[02:24] <mulder> is there a way to have a better res for a start?
[02:24] <tk> in the mean time..
[02:24] <intelikey> !ati
[02:24] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:24] <martin__> mulder: I do not think this is patronising. I just have had my part of users being whiney about how much better everything used to work in windows blah blah. Such people might actually really be suited better with microsofts operating system. No offense intended.
[02:25] <stray77> i still use both
[02:25] <stray77> but i kinda have to for work
[02:27] <mulder> martin, if i wanted to use xp only i wouldn't be here believe me. not whinging, just a bit frustrated that's all
[02:27] <tk> mulder: what install did you use?
[02:27] <intelikey> most with of my windows face east
[02:27] <tk> martin__: is that under Win 3.11?
[02:27] <tk> or dos?
[02:27] <martin__> tk: pure dos
[02:28] <tk> heh, nice, havent seen a true dos pc in years now :P
[02:28] <tk> bah, time to change key settings, cant ctrl+tab in FF :/
[02:28] <martin__> tk, simply works best for that old-skool gaming experience. you can have a douzend for a buck at ebay
[02:29] <mulder> i downloaded the 6.06.1 version from kubuntu (torrent) guess the desktop version
[02:29] <tk> ugh, oh yah... I asked earlier, how compllicated is the chroot 32bit FF under 64bit Kubuntu?
[02:30] <martin__> mulder: do you have a list of most immediate problems?
[02:30] <mulder> yes sure martin
[02:30] <tk> mulder: booted to live cd and installed from the desktop shortcut? did you have any problems with the live CD version? or more once you rebooted to HD boot?
[02:31] <martin__> mulder: that's kind of a lawyers answer - totally correct, and totally useless ;) How about sharing that list
[02:31] <tk> I must have to find  death metal stream to get metal on this radio... Our Lady Peace isnt heavy metal :(
[02:31] <mulder> 1-want both cpus recognized not just one 2-want to have a nice shiny 1280x800 resolution for eye candy 3-being able to get updates whenever they are available
[02:32] <mulder> give me time to write...I lost one hand
[02:33] <mulder> booted from image cd burned on disk
[02:33] <mulder> but it took a long time to install though...
[02:33] <Gh0st75> well, finally got kubuntu reinstalled, and i have sound again
[02:34] <martin__> mulder: concerning 3) did you change your sources.list by now?
[02:34] <tk> I'm considering going back to 64bit just to see the performance differennce with F@H
[02:34] <Gh0st75> is there a way i can backup my current kubuntu installation, a saved state if you will.....before i mess around trying to get java reinstalled, i don't want java to force me to reinstall kubuntu again, my slow connection makes the initial updates take 4-5 hours
[02:35] <Hawkwind> mulder: 1) Install the linux-686(SMP) kernel and you'll see both CPU's that your system has.  3) Adept tells you of updates or you can simply run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade once a day or so and if there are updates it will tell you
[02:35] <K3B> o/h
[02:35] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: If you follow the java how-to it won't force you to reinstall.
[02:36] <Hawkwind> !java > Gh0st75
[02:36] <Dimon> mulder, there is automatic updater
[02:36] <martin__> Hawkwind: 3) there is a problem with mulders retrieving the repros list
[02:36] <Gh0st75> that's the how-to i followed before, and i ended up with no sound
[02:36] <mulder> guys the main point that got me to the download problem was that i couldn't get hold of the linux 686 kernel...
[02:36] <Dimon> it displays icon at the bottom right corner when updates are available
[02:37] <Hawkwind> mulder: Then you don't have enough sources defined is the problem
[02:37] <mulder> I have checked..I only have one cpu recognized as 0
[02:37] <intelikey> this is bad.   dist-upgrade wants to install 70m of language packs.    i don't use any language packs.....   and i thought localepurge would prevent such things.
[02:38] <tk> mulder: you said you have web access right?
[02:38] <mulder> yes...also I wouldn't be here if i didn't :-)
[02:38] <tk> i can pop the kernel on my webserver if it helps
[02:38] <intelikey> is there someplace to black list packages ?
[02:38] <mulder> that is why I am confused
[02:38] <mulder> maybe a dns problem?
[02:39] <Kevin_Jim> i have a Dual Boot Desktop PC with Kubuntu and window$ xp
[02:40] <tk> mulder: you have the 64bit or 32bit intels?
[02:40] <Gh0st75> same here kevin
[02:40] <mulder> 32 bits
[02:40] <tk> nm
[02:40] <tk> stupid quesiton
[02:40] <mulder> centrino duo
[02:41] <mulder> I am using a Dlink wireless router
[02:41] <Kevin_Jim> i want to backup the latest norton ghost backup, but this is going to disable the boot sector
[02:41] <Kevin_Jim> and it will load only window$
[02:41] <tk> Hawkwind: this would be the right deb file for him rihgt? linux-image-686-smp_2.6.12.16.1_i386.deb
[02:42] <Kevin_Jim> does anyone know who to do it whitout damage the Grub nor Kubuntu
[02:42] <Kevin_Jim> ???
[02:42] <roman> wy is amule so sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
[02:42] <Hawkwind> tk: There is a 2.6.15.26 version in the repos
[02:43] <mulder> but for 386
[02:44] <mulder> and it shows as installed
[02:44] <mulder> why the 686 version isn;t installed by default?
[02:45] <mulder> ok I am off for now...machine getting hot. will try to come back later
[02:47] <tk> hmmm Hawkwind... if I do apt-get -d install (package) it still says it will unpack it... am I jus tbeing paranoid in thinking that its gonna try and install it?
[02:50] <J4t__> tk: the package is downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:52] <tk> J4t__: thanks, just didnt want to accidently install ta kernel i couldnt use trying to help someone :P
[02:53] <J4t__> tk: ok :)
[02:54] <tk> but he's not here now anyways
[02:57] <__osh__> Is there somewhere on launchpad.net a place where I can see the latest reported bugs? Not just the 5 last as on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[02:58] <GameX>  limewire is better then amule
[02:59] <GameX> so does someone know how to instal limewire on kkununtu
[02:59] <fek> moin
[02:59] <K3B> KTorrent is the best
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> GameX: don't install Limewire
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> but FrostWire
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> it's the same thing
[03:00] <GameX> you can't downld music with ktorrent
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> even the interface is the same
[03:00] <K3B> oh really
[03:00] <GameX> is frostwire special for linux
[03:00] <Kevin_Jim> yes
[03:00] <GameX> so ktorrent is stupid
[03:01] <GameX> then i go for frostwire
[03:01] <GameX> :)
[03:01] <Kevin_Jim> try Automatix, Automatix will Download and install everything you chose to
[03:01] <Kevin_Jim> Frostwire, Azureus, nVidia - AMD ( ATI ) Drivers and many other things
[03:02] <GameX> nice progam
[03:02] <Kevin_Jim> very nice
[03:02] <K3B> i use KTorrent(Azureus) -it's good P2p
[03:02] <Kevin_Jim> you can get Xgl/Compiz too
[03:02] <GameX> i am downloading it now
[03:02] <K3B> and...
[03:03] <ChandlerBing> does anyone of you use kde 3.5.4 and twinview?
[03:03] <GameX> i need ATI driver my ati radeon 9250
[03:03] <K3B> 3.5.2 only
[03:03] <Kevin_Jim> i use KDE 3.5.4
[03:04] <ChandlerBing> i have problems with the X modul in system settings. when i edit my xorg.conf my hand kde falls back to 800x600
[03:04] <ChandlerBing> can i disable the x modul in system settings?
[03:05] <K3B> can you tell me more arguments why you use KDE 3.5.4??
[03:05] <ChandlerBing> because it's the latest version
[03:05] <Kevin_Jim> because it has Bug Fixed and 2 new Features
[03:05] <K3B> and so...
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> i told you so...
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> KDE Rulez
[03:06] <GameX> how do you install frostwire
[03:06] <ChandlerBing> yes, but the x modul sucks
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> KDE 4 is gonna kick some serius @ss
[03:06] <Kevin_Jim> w8 untill KDE 4
[03:07] <K3B> KDE Rulezzzz - only Rulezzzz
[03:07] <K3B> ??
[03:07] <ChandlerBing> well, I love KDE. but i dont like it that i cant edit the xorg.conf by hand and make kde accept my changes
[03:07] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: How do you know? KDE4 is just some libs atm, isn't it?
[03:08] <Kevin_Jim> NO
[03:08] <HailandKill> I remember finding a wiki that listed wireless devices that have linux support and work under kubuntu. Anyone know it? Or know of a similar list?
[03:08] <Kevin_Jim> KDE is gonna many steps foreword
[03:09] <Kevin_Jim> look at this and the links in it
[03:09] <Kevin_Jim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kde_4
[03:10] <__osh__> HailandKill: I thought I saw something like that on tuxmobile.com
[03:10] <dotem> cauko
[03:12] <dotem> existuje nieco ako alkohol 120 pre linux [pls help me] 
[03:12] <K3B> im must go out but a come back for hour
[03:12] <HailandKill> __osh__ : Not what I was thinking, but certainly similar. Thanks.
[03:12] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: Right. So the new fantastic KDE4 will look exactly like KDE3.X. Right. Got it.  From what I can see from your link it sais that they're focusing on API's and libs. Just like I said.
[03:13] <__osh__> HailandKill: I thought I saw a list there (some time ago) about which devices works good with linux. Wasn't that what you were looking for?
[03:13] <larson9999> i bought a new machine with an amd64 3500 cpu.  the question i have is should i put a 64 bit kubuntu on it?  i've heard there are lots of things that don't work with it.
[03:14] <HailandKill> __osh__ : no, the list you sent me was great! I just meant it wasn't *the* list I was thinking. It's perfect though. Thanks =)
[03:14] <Kevin_Jim> _osh_: go Google it and make your reasearch, you'll see that it's not it
[03:14] <__osh__> larson9999: Please try and tell me the result. I tried some 6months ago and was disappointed. Perhaps things are better now.
[03:14] <Kevin_Jim> but for me the Qt4 is alone a very very good reason to to the swich
[03:15] <larson9999> lol@__osh__ how about you try again and t ell me the results?
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> larson9999: it works perfectly here
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> except
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> flash
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> acrobat reader
[03:15] <tsdgeos_> some media codecs
[03:16] <Gh0st75> i have java installed according to the link you sent hawkwind, but when i try to verify the installation on java.com, it's not picking up. i've selected java under tools -> html settings
[03:16] <Gh0st75> is there another command i need to type in console, i seem to remember having to before
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> and Phonon
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> and many other things
[03:16] <Kevin_Jim> don't forget
[03:17] <Kevin_Jim> some people are going to pay much many to make a pc that can make the swich from xp to s-vista
[03:17] <__osh__> Kevin_Jim: Oh, I'll switch too. When it's out. And when I see something worth futzing about. Right now it's just kde3 with newer libs...
[03:17] <Gh0st75> would this be what i need to type: sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-1.5.0-sun
[03:17] <Kevin_Jim> svista = delete at Greeks
[03:18] <hitomi> if someone have a prob of partition aumount at start up, just install autofs :)
[03:20] <Gh0st75> or would this be the right command: sudo update-alternatives --config java      ....got these from two different sites
[03:20] <psb154> GhOst75 don't know if it helps but you can: man update-java-alternatives
[03:20] <Gh0st75> man instead of sudo?
[03:20] <psb154> man as in manual :-)
[03:20] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:21] <psb154> man - an interface to the on-line reference manuals
[03:22] <Gh0st75> k, tried that and i get a screen i don't seem to understand too well
[03:23] <__osh__> and for graphical man, type "man:" in konqueror. =)
[03:23] <larson9999> tsdgeos: are there work arounds for flash and the media codecs?
[03:24] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[03:24] <tsdgeos> no idea
[03:24] <tsdgeos> probably a chroot would help
[03:24] <Gh0st75> "timestamp too far in the future" when i use sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:24] <tsdgeos> but i'm happy without flash and media :-)
[03:24] <__osh__> larson9999: tedious ones when I tried it. Changerooted 32-bit installations called from the 64-bit world. :-/
[03:24] <Gh0st75> wtf does that mean?
[03:24] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:24] <__osh__> Gh0st75: Probably that your clock is way off.
[03:25] <grothesk> Gh0st75: You should keep your clocks uptodate.
[03:25] <__osh__> Gh0st75: or was during installation. Timestamp on your files doesn't match the current time.
[03:25] <TheFuzzball> hello, who can tell me how to configure kmilo for my IBM Thinkpad X30?
[03:25] <Gh0st75> my clock was just reset earlier, to the correct time
[03:25] <larson9999> Gh0st75: i got that message when i changed the time to the past in between installing programs.
[03:25] <Gh0st75> should i restart kubuntu to make sure any clocks update?
[03:25] <Gh0st75> ah, it might have been during the java download that i updated the clock
[03:26] <larson9999> Gh0st75: if you wait a while you can install again
[03:26] <TheFuzzball> hello?
[03:26] <Gh0st75> oy vey, i could never possibly mess up in windows this much, does the learning curve or pickiness of linux ever cease to be frustrating?
[03:27] <Gh0st75> larson: wait a while as in minutes or hours?
[03:27] <larson9999> Gh0st75: depends on how many hours you changed the time.
[03:28] <Gh0st75> great, like 4 hours or so
[03:28] <larson9999> Gh0st75: i think you can also change the time back and then finish installing stuff
[03:28] <Gh0st75> i dunno what the exact time was before i changed it....being a windows user such a minor change i didn't think i'd need to document
[03:28] <tuxar> hello, someone knows why kmail starts everytime I start korganizer ? At home that is not happend
[03:29] <dhq> PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed
[03:29] <larson9999> Gh0st75: the learning curve picks up.  for what it's worth, i had my aunt install windows from scratch and she could get everything installed correctly.  i think part of the curve issue is due to the fact that pc's come with windows already installed.
[03:29] <dhq> plz  help me out
[03:30] <psb154> tuxar if you look at the properties of the korganizer icon what application is it launching?
[03:31] <larson9999> she could=she could not
[03:31] <dotem_> hi
[03:31] <Gh0st75> i've installed and tinkered with windows for 7 years now, and i was able to get kubuntu installed with zero effort, it's just that if you want to install anything not pre-loaded, or do anything beyond surfing, chatting or emailing, then you're going to encounter trouble
[03:31] <tuxar> The reminder daemon
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: That's not true.  It's just things are done completely different in Linux and you have to get used to how things are done.  Everyone starts off slow when it comes to Linux
[03:32] <Gh0st75> the ubuntu wiki is a great help, i must admit
[03:32] <larson9999> Gh0st75: yeah but i bet you'd have similar issues if windows didn't install the non free stuff for you.
[03:32] <larson9999> Gh0st75: but you could always pay someone to install it for you and still come out cheaper than buying windows.
[03:33] <Gh0st75> already have windows, mainly doing this as a learning experience
[03:33] <TheFuzzball> Pirate windows! it won't make any difference to bill
[03:33] <Gh0st75> heh, the experience has been a mix of learning and humility :)
[03:34] <psb154> tuxar is that the one in the tray or the icon that launches the application
[03:34] <dotem> speak sb slovak
[03:34] <larson9999> Gh0st75: yes, my point is that if linux came preinstalled like windows, many of the issues go away
[03:34] <Gh0st75> i'll leave java and frostwire until later this afternoon, will work on codecs and customizations for now
[03:35] <Gh0st75> true enough larson, to use what came pre-loaded with kubuntu, everything worked perfectly
[03:35] <Gh0st75> heck, even windows can't always say that
[03:35] <psb154> tuxar I meant the icon you use to launch the application
[03:39] <dhq> PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed
[03:40] <psb154> k
[03:42] <crazy_penguin> Good afternoon all!:)
[03:48] <psb154> np
[03:51] <Hawkwind> tuxar: Curious...why do you keep using /me to send text to the channel ?
[03:53] <Gh0st75> in konqueror, is there a way to set bookmark folders so that you don't have all the toolbar options in each folder repeated?
[03:53] <tuxar> ups sory Hawkwind, I'm very new in IRC and I understand that is the command to send private messages to others
[03:53] <Gh0st75> the Add, Edit, and New options show up inside every single folder
[03:53] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No.  To send a private message, you do /query <nick> or /msg <nick>  /me is known as an action
[03:55] <Hawkwind> tuxar: However, it is considered rude to PM users without permission.  Best to keep all conversation here in the main channel so others can see and help
[03:56] <psb154> Hawkwind... leave... the... kid... alone...
[03:56] <tuxar> ok, but for example , you send me this message, it is a PM ? I reading this in red colour
[03:57] <Hawkwind> psb154: Excuse me ?
[03:57] <psb154> wtf
[03:57] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No it's not a PM when I send you this message.  I'm just using your nick at the beginning of the sentence so you know I'm speaking to you
[03:58] <__osh__> Is there somewhere on launchpad.net a place where I can see all the latest reported bugs? Not just the 5 last as on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[03:58] <tuxar> Hawkwind: juaaaa, thanks and sorry for this mess,
[03:58] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: AFAIK those options are always there.  I've never seen a way to get rid of them
[03:59] <Hawkwind> tuxar: No need to apologize.  Just teaching you how IRC works :)
[03:59] <Hawkwind> __osh__: launchpad.net/bugs ?
[03:59] <Gh0st75> bummer, guess i'll resort to one long list and scrap the folders, i get irked by redundency, heh
[03:59] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: It's done that way to make bookmarking things easier.  Instead of having to go in and move them around you can add a bookmark where you want.  A lot easier that way
[04:00] <tuxar> Hawkwind: :) thk you very much !
[04:00] <Hawkwind> __osh__: https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:01] <tuxar> Hawkwind: the last... how to put me in away mode ? /away ?
[04:01] <Hawkwind> __osh__: From that screen you can select many different things to show more than just the top 5 bugs
[04:01] <Hawkwind> tuxar: /away   But make sure your client is setup to *not* announce an away message.  Most channels don't want to see away messages, and some will kick/ban you for using them
[04:02] <Hawkwind> tuxar: Or you can do: /away <message-here>
[04:02] <CyberMad> why kubuntu better than ubuntu (i say this because #ubuntu have bigger community than #kubuntu), AFAIK KDE is more popular than Gnome. I want install the distro in my new IBM X31 laptop :)
[04:02] <Gh0st75> i do most of my websurfing at work anyhoo, just need my online billing and torrent links here
[04:02] <gebruiker> my kubuntu is so sloww
[04:02] <Tm_T> CyberMad: they're just the same base, different desktop
[04:02] <tuxar> Hawkwind: thk
[04:02] <Gh0st75> cybermad, to my understanding both are similar desktops, but kde is supposed to look more like windows than gnome does
[04:02] <__osh__> Hawkwind: Yes, but I can't seem to find a view that holds the latest bugs at the top and then goes backwards in time. That would be usefull to me as I could use that to locate duplicates.
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: err, no
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: it's supposed to look KDE, not "like windows"
[04:03] <gebruiker> my kubuntu is so sloww... why?
[04:03] <Gh0st75> *shrugs* as i said, to my understanding, just going by the information i've read online, which has enormous discrepency it seems when it comes to linux
[04:03] <Tm_T> Gh0st75: hehe ;)
[04:04] <Hawkwind> __osh__: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers/ubuntu-bugzilla
[04:04] <CyberMad> so, do you choose kubuntu just because "like windows" ?
[04:04] <Gh0st75> is there a project similar to the Ubuntu starter wiki in the works for Kubuntu?
[04:04] <gebruiker123> my kubuntu is sooo slow! WHY???!??!?!?
[04:05] <CyberMad> gebruiker123 buy new PC with higher specs.
[04:05] <Hawkwind> gebruiker123: Trying being more descriptive.  Give details of what is slow, what you're doing when it's slow
[04:05] <Tm_T> tuxar: noooh :(
[04:05] <gebruiker123> erhhh
[04:05] <psb154> lol
[04:05] <__osh__> Hawkwind: excellent. just what I was looking for. thanks a bunch. =)
[04:05] <Hawkwind> CyberMad: That's not a reasonable answer
[04:05] <Gh0st75> CyberMad: yes, to make the initial learning curve less of a shock. i intend this to be my first linux distro, but not my last. once i've learned more about unix i'll be looking for a distro more specific to my needs
[04:05] <gebruiker123> When I apt-get upgrade my box ... it takes ages to get in my home directory with konqurorororor openoffice takes ages to load
[04:06] <Hawkwind> __osh__: On the https://launchpad.net/malone screen, click on the top right option that says 'ubuntu-bugzilla'
[04:06] <CyberMad> Hawkwind yes i know, because he didn't give descriptive question :P
[04:06] <gebruiker123> I have Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz
[04:06] <Tm_T> CyberMad: I use kubuntu because KDE is highly configurable, easy to use and just right to my needs
[04:06] <Tm_T> CyberMad: it's up to you what you like
[04:07] <__osh__> Hawkwind: yep. found it.
[04:07] <Tm_T> CyberMad: in raw: Gnome is more simple "just works" and KDE is more flexible and highly configurable
[04:07] <CyberMad> Tm_T ok, i better start try both... each 3 months :D
[04:07] <Hawkwind> CyberMad: People choose to use what they use because they can and because they like it.  They find it works for them.  We suggest that you use many different things and decide what's best for *you*
[04:07] <Tm_T> CyberMad: heh, have both
[04:07] <Gh0st75> both kde and gnome appear to be "heavy desktops", i've had people recommend desktops like Fluxbox for frequent remote desktop use for example, as it's a lighter desktop and less laggy through remote
[04:08] <Tm_T> CyberMad: you can install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop so you can choose which you use
[04:08] <__osh__> Tm_T: Gnome makes me want to start a kickboxing fight with my computer, but to each his own I guess. ;-)
[04:08] <CyberMad> Tm_T how much Gnome take hard disk space ?
[04:08] <gebruiker123>  IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT82 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.13GHz
[04:08] <Tm_T> CyberMad: no idea
[04:08] <gebruiker123> why the hell is my pc so god dam slow!
[04:08] <gebruiker123> i start to hate kubuntu
[04:08] <Tm_T> __osh__: Gnome is very restrictive to my needs ;(
[04:08] <__osh__> CyberMad: not much. and it's quite pretty though.
[04:08] <Gh0st75> much memory there gebruiker123?
[04:09] <CyberMad> ok, thank you for every explanation :)
[04:09] <Gh0st75> i'm running 1gb ram, but i'd imagine kubuntu should run fine on 512
[04:10] <__osh__> Tm_T: I'm hooked on KDE too but I do believe ubuntu is much more polished than kubuntu is. I usually recommend ppl to try out ubuntu rather than kubuntu (I'm sorry to say).
[04:11] <Tm_T> __osh__: well, it is, because of the nature of Gnome (there's less to control iirc)
[04:11] <Gh0st75> i would be more inclined to recommend ubuntu to new people as well, they have more informative forums and starter wiki at the moment
[04:11] <bruno__> cawo, je tu niekto s jazykom slovenskym???
[04:12] <Tm_T> bruno__: please use english
[04:12] <__osh__> !si
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about si - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Tm_T> __osh__: si?
[04:12] <bruno__> ok, i must speak english....
[04:12] <__osh__> Tm_T: Slovenia. If there was a kubuntu channel in that language.
[04:12] <bruno__> speak here anyone slovak????
[04:12] <__osh__> !se
[04:12] <Tm_T> bruno__: and I don't know if there any slovenian community
[04:12] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[04:13] <Tm_T> __osh__: stop fishing ;)
[04:13] <__osh__> Tm_T: Like for swedes... ;-)
[04:13] <user_> hi :)
[04:13] <__osh__> and I was obviously wrong. it was slovakian, not slovenian.
[04:13] <Tm_T> heh
[04:14] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm off ->
[04:14] <__osh__> Tm_T: Not fishing. Really...  No time for that. =)
[04:14] <bruno__> here nobody speak slovak????
[04:14] <g4lv4tr0n> sometimes when i boot my machine it freezes on Mounting root filesystem, after a few hits of the restart button it boots. does anyone else have this problem, or know how i can fix it ??
[04:15] <__osh__> bruno__: I know a few words on slovenian, but that doesn't help you much, does it? ;-)
[04:15] <__osh__> g4lv4tr0n: sounds like there's something wrong with your disk or motherboard. install smartmontools and check your disks.
[04:16] <__osh__> s/ on / in /g
[04:17] <g4lv4tr0n> how do i check my disk with smartmontools
[04:17] <fabrizio> hi
[04:18] <K3B> i speak polish language , hehe  that is resamle slovanian
[04:18] <__osh__> g4lv4tr0n: install it, then read the manpages. then ask again if something isn't clear. it's not that hard.
[04:20] <g4lv4tr0n> sudo smartctl /dev/sda1 did nothing ?
[04:22] <K3B> #privmsg bruno czy ty mnei rozumiesz??
[04:22] <g4lv4tr0n> might go and do a low level format
[04:29] <uwo> bol
[04:30] <bruno> its here anyone who can create server on kubunu distribution whith dns server and learn me how dns server running???
[04:30] <fritsch> bruno: a local dns server? so that the clients behind can connect to the internet?
[04:32] <bruno> server for my page and pages my friends
[04:33] <fdoving> bruno: this is a nice document: http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/
[04:33] <bruno> thanks all
[04:37] <UQlev> Anybody installed AMD64 distro?
[04:44] <bruno> msg nickserv set hide email on
[04:46] <AndyZ> hello?
[04:46] <Erich-K> Hello
[04:47] <AndyZ> I need help uninstalling Linux.  To whom should I go?
[04:47] <Erich-K> Err
[04:47] <Erich-K> No clue
[04:47] <UQlev> AndyZ: what do you mean uninstall Linux?
[04:47] <Erich-K> Why don't you try a google search "How to uninstall linux"
[04:48] <UQlev> AndyZ: just use its partitions for something else
[04:48] <AndyZ> UQlev: It keeps crashing on me
[04:48] <Erich-K> What distro?
[04:48] <AndyZ> Kubuntu
[04:48] <Erich-K> How much RAM do you have?
[04:48] <AndyZ> 512
[04:48] <Erich-K> Not bad
[04:48] <fritsch> Erich-K:  :-)
[04:48] <Erich-K> Mine runs fine on 384
[04:49] <UQlev> AndyZ: i386 or AMD64 distro?
[04:49] <Erich-K> When you say it crashes, what exactly happens?
[04:50] <AndyZ> UQ: I don't know.  Erich: it freezes up and I have to reset the comp.  I'd rather just uninstall it since I have a 10 gig partitition that I'd like to use for other stuff
[04:51] <UQlev> AndyZ: be carefull with bootloader and grub. When you use Linux partition for other staff it might crash on boot unless you replace bootloader
[04:51] <Erich-K> Mine use to crash like that until i set my monitor and graphics card in display and now it works fine
[04:52] <bruno> must i have register domain to dns? i want create some record in dns without registered domains. please help me
[04:52] <UQlev> bruno: what records do you want?
[04:52] <bruno> server running only with my ip
[04:53] <UQlev> bruno: do you want only A record for your server?
[04:54] <bruno> i dont know. i want create server for my page and pages my friends, but i havent register domain-.
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: ah! a webserver?
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: with dynamic dns, so that you get a "free one"?
[04:54] <fritsch> bruno: from for example http://www.dyndns.org
[04:54] <SeicherlBoB> hi! looks like i crashed my kde when trying to set up a dualscreen. can anybody help me? system starts perfectly but kde/X-server hangs when trying to start up
[04:55] <VincentMX> hi
[04:55] <bruno> webserver, ftp server, database, dns for domain.
[04:55] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > hi all
[04:55] <VincentMX> hi chabin[No_LiMiT] 
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > i installed the last wine version
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > but when i use steam
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > it freeze
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> STEAM -  The reason  i gave up on pc games.
[04:56] <chabin[No_LiMiT] > lol
[04:56] <VincentMX> yeh
[04:57] <VincentMX> steam kinda sucks
[04:57] <VincentMX> only thing good about steam is...
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> the Nasty state of copy protection and things like Steam.. really make gaming on a pc suck at times.
[04:57] <VincentMX> what is good about steam anyway?!
[04:57] <bruno> i want have server but im havent registered doomains.
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> VincentMX,  ya can get games online.. but oh wait.. you cant give/sell them to your friends then whenyou are done...
[04:58] <VincentMX> ok
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> VincentMX,  the games are cheaper? Oh wait.. thats not true either.
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:58] <VincentMX> '
[04:58] <VincentMX> :)
[04:58] <SeicherlBoB> people, can anyone help me with my crashed x-server?
[04:59] <VincentMX> anybody knows why sound wont work on the kubuntu livecd?
[04:59] <VincentMX> it dont work here
[04:59] <UQlev> VincentMX: incompatible soundcard
[04:59] <VincentMX> ok
[04:59] <R6Ale> hi
[05:00] <VincentMX> so my laptop is practically useless?
[05:00] <VincentMX> i cant run kubuntu on it
[05:00] <VincentMX> not with sound anyhow
[05:00] <UQlev> VincentMX: yes trash it unless you find another application
[05:00] <SeicherlBoB> VincentMX: well, install it and get the drivers
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> No Sound = Useless.... wow... kids these days.
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:00] <VincentMX> yes
[05:00] <VincentMX> i need music
[05:01] <R6Ale> well Dr_Willis, youve to admit that nosound is kind of harsh
[05:01] <UQlev> VincentMX: mp3 player costs a way less
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> R6Ale,  not really. I tend to watch all my movies at work with CC enabled.
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:01] <R6Ale> whats a cc?
[05:01] <R6Ale> =P
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> No VIDEO would be harsh..
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Close Captioning/Subtitles
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:01] <VincentMX> not for a webserver
[05:01] <R6Ale> im running debian etch with no video atm =P
[05:01] <SeicherlBoB> Ermm.... guys. can anybody lend me his ear? i need help getting my KDE running again
[05:02] <R6Ale> what happened SeicherlBoB
[05:02] <VincentMX> type startkde in the console
[05:02] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: set up a dualscreen and had to restart X-server.... no sign of live since that
[05:02] <UQlev> VincentMX: tru to run Knoppix on it
[05:02] <VincentMX> but i want kubuntu
[05:03] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: i need to reset the X-server to single-screen via console but dont know where
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> Knoppix is a live cd - run it as a TEST.
[05:03] <Erich-K> Knoppix is fun
[05:03] <zblach> anyone up to teaching me the basics of shell scripting (?)
[05:03] <VincentMX> the kubuntu cd is a livecd
[05:03] <VincentMX> but ok
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  you dident backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf did ya? check that file - and see if a backup was auto made.
[05:03] <R6Ale> well, im off the hook with xorg
[05:03] <R6Ale> lemme check
[05:03] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:03] <VincentMX> ill run knoppix on it
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  go read the 'advance bash scripting guide'
[05:04] <zblach> 'advance bash scripting guide' for noobs?
[05:04] <SeicherlBoB> Dr_Willis: no didnt backup ;) though it would be no problem.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  google it.. bookmark it.. read it. :P
[05:04] <VincentMX> knoppix 3.2 is too old isn't it?
[05:04] <VincentMX> october 2003
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  for me its no problem... explainign it to someone else.. can be. :P
[05:04] <UQlev> VincentMX: yes, 5.x is out
[05:04] <VincentMX> ok
[05:04] <gebruiker> guys
[05:04] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: do what fritsch said
[05:04] <gebruiker> I need a application that does the following allow me to configure my ppp/pptp/pppoe coneection
[05:05] <R6Ale> or you can manually edit the config file
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> zblach,   tldp.org also has a great many guides
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> zblach,  and ya got the Ubuntu/Kubuntu homepages with lots of guides as well.
[05:05] <VincentMX> UQlev, would morphix do?
[05:06] <SeicherlBoB> i got an xorg.conf.1      edit date is likely to be moment of changeing the setup.
[05:06] <gebruiker> I need a application that does the following allow me to configure my ppp/pptp/pppoe coneection
[05:06] <R6Ale> then rename it and check if it works
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  ya could try copying it to xorg.conf or ya can reconfigure X with    dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:06] <UQlev> VincentMX: try morphix
[05:06] <SeicherlBoB> I'll try to use this file and see what happens. How can i start the X-server from console? is it init.d/xcommon start?
[05:06] <VincentMX> ok
[05:06] <R6Ale> back it up first if you are going the dkpg-reconfig route
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> SeicherlBoB,  if X isent running. you can just try 'startx'
[05:07] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[05:07] <SeicherlBoB> looks good !!!
[05:08] <R6Ale> you got both displays running?
[05:08] <SeicherlBoB> gotta restart and see about the displays then. right now i'm happy i see anything at all ;)
[05:08] <R6Ale> well, dont forget to backup the config file =P
[05:09] <AndyZ> Ok.  If you have a partition on your disk which has Linux and everything inside, can you just format that partition?
[05:09] <R6Ale> of course you can... it would not be the smartest move if you dont have a backup
[05:09] <AndyZ> Would that get rid of Linux if the mentioned partition doesn't have anything on it that I want?
[05:10] <R6Ale> how many partitions do you have?
[05:10] <Gh0st75> yay, i now have java installed and working, and this time it let me keep my sound :)
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  format it for what os to use in what way?
[05:11] <UQlev> AndyZ: do you use grub as bootloader?
[05:11] <AndyZ> 2 different areas, one barrier between, as I understand it.  And I'd rather throw data from WinXP into it.  And I don't know what I use, sorry
[05:11] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: ok, now i got single screen again.
[05:11] <eeos> I have recompiled the kernel, but the process does not generate the img file
[05:11] <R6Ale> but its working right?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  You are wanting to TOTALLY remove Linux from the system?
[05:11] <AndyZ> yes
[05:11] <eeos> if I try to boot with the new kernel I get kernel panic
[05:11] <fritsch> AndyZ: just go to windows
[05:12] <AndyZ> I'm listening
[05:12] <gebruiker_> how do i make a Applcation start ONCE!! when kde starts?
[05:12] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: yeah, the single one.... now the question is if i can start the second aswell
[05:12] <UQlev> AndyZ: if you use grub, it keeps configs on Linux partition. Once you clean it your windows will not boot
[05:12] <eeos> is there anyone who can help with kernel recompiling?
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,   use the XP cd. and its rescue mode and the 'fixmbr' command to remove the grub/lilo  boot loader
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: and Rightclick on your icon (where the drives, cdroms) are in
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> AndyZ,  that will make it boot to windows only.
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: choose manage
[05:12] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: i take it the 2nd display does not work at all
[05:12] <fritsch> AndyZ: Here you can delete the linux partition
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: after that you reboot with your windows XP cdrom and repair your "start environment"
[05:13] <AndyZ> thank you all
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: -> Linux gone
[05:13] <R6Ale> =/
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> Then enjoy the Malware! :P
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> also dont forget to delete the swap partition. Unless ya use Live CD's
[05:13] <fritsch> AndyZ: but prepare -  you are not able to boot, after having deletet the linux partition (grub is also gone)
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> then ya could keep it. so they can use it.
[05:14] <fritsch> Sorry, nothing we could do ...
[05:14] <fritsch> he did not want to debug, etc.
[05:14] <MitchM> *nods head ins hame*
[05:14] <MitchM> shame*] 
[05:14] <R6Ale> off to eat
[05:14] <fritsch> Perhaps he ends up with a none working boot manager *G*
[05:14] <fritsch> and hates linux for the rest of his life *G*
[05:14] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: ....
[05:15] <R6Ale> yeap?
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> you stay?
[05:15] <R6Ale> ive 2 more minutes
[05:15] <R6Ale> =D
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> boot xp cd --> rescue mode --> 'fixmbr' command --> now it will boot. :)
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> if he caught that part i dont know...
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: the thing is: its a laptop. 1 got 1 graphicsadapter with 2 monitors and a second one with one monitor. so which will be the LCD and which is the VGA external
[05:16] <R6Ale> SeicherlBoB: this will sound stupid, but you do have a dual headed graphic display, right?
[05:16] <SeicherlBoB> R6Ale: its a laptop with external. Windows used to run in dualhead
[05:17] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: what graphics card do you use?
[05:17] <SeicherlBoB> some intel onboard
[05:17] <R6Ale> ewk
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> intel 852GM
[05:18] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: ah okay! then you need a special tool
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> ick
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: tell me more
[05:18] <R6Ale> got to run. ill be back in 30' if you still need a hand
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> thanks!
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> enjoy your meal
[05:18] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo apt-get install i810switch
[05:18] <SeicherlBoB> that sounds good
[05:19] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: please be sure you are using this driver in your xorg.conf
[05:19] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you can do: i810switch crt on or i810switch crt off
[05:19] <Gh0st75> i just tried to open adept and it's not responding, if i kill it will i be locked out of the package manager?
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: or i810switch lcd on i80switch lcd off
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: with sudo i think
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> driver is i810
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: good installed this programm?
[05:20] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you external monitor is plugged?
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> not yet... wait
[05:21] <SeicherlBoB> yeah. external is plugged and running, LCD is off
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: no do: sudo i810switch lcd on
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: lets see
[05:21] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: your lcd should "light" up and your picture sould be the same on each ...
[05:22] <SeicherlBoB> have to install first ;)
[05:22] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: just one command *G* :-) give speed
[05:23] <eeos> anyone with experience in compiling kernel? I have some problems.
[05:23] <SeicherlBoB> it says "enabling lcd" but nothing happens. should i start with lcd running and no crt attached?
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: yes try this
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: please restart your computer without LCD
[05:25] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: without crt, sorry
[05:25] <Gh0st75> hmm, i think i broke adept yet again (damn fragile little thing)
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> ok
[05:26] <Gh0st75> what's the konsole command to relase any programs running the package manager so i can get back into adept?
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> ok. this will take a sec.
[05:26] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: take your time (me is waitong on kpete 0.12.2 to finish compiling)
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> hehe. whatever that is ;)
[05:27] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: kopete ...
[05:28] <Gh0st75> anyone?
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> ok. lcd running. no crt attached
[05:28] <eeos> anyone with experience in compiling kernel?
[05:28] <fritsch> eeos: me
[05:28] <eeos> fritsch: thanks
[05:28] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: plug in your crt
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> done
[05:28] <eeos> fritsch I have recompiled the kernel added it to grub but all I get when I try to start it is a kernel panic
[05:28] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: sudo i810switch crt on
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: how did you recompile it?
[05:29] <Gh0st75> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[05:29] <Gh0st75> that's what i get when i try to open Adept
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --append-to-version "-myversion" --initrd
[05:29] <fritsch> eeos: the --initrd is important
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> heyheyhey
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> there we go
[05:29] <eeos> fritsch: make xconfig, make, make install, make modules_install
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: argh, this is really not the debian way
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: which sources did you take?
[05:30] <eeos> fritsch, this is what they told me here on the chat room
[05:30] <eeos> :-(
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: this was not good
[05:30] <fritsch> eeos: which kernel soruces did you compile
[05:30] <eeos> fritsch I have experience with other distributions
[05:30] <eeos> linux-source-2.6.15
[05:31] <eeos> fritsch linux-source-2.6.15
[05:31] <fritsch> why did you recompile?
[05:31] <fritsch> eeos: you had to apply a custom patch?
[05:31] <eeos> fritsch to use alsa 1.0.11
[05:31] <fritsch> eeos: did you change the whole configuration?
[05:32] <fritsch> eeos: so you patched alsa "in" the kernel?
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch  because i need it for my sound card based modem
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: sorry for interupting here, but how can i setup the dualscreen now?
[05:32] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: is this working?
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch I did keep the whole configuration
[05:32] <fritsch> eeos: did the alsa patch apply cleanly (*wondering*)
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: yeah. but both showing the same
[05:32] <gebruiker_> I would like to create a installer that restores everything i.e ghostimage or some kind of thing like it...
[05:32] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: cool :-) if you make a presentation - this is cool
[05:32] <eeos> fritsch but set sound system on and removed all other sound drivers, as suggested on alsa web site
[05:32] <gebruiker_> I would like to create a installer that restores everything i.e ghostimage or some kind of thing like it...
[05:33] <fritsch> eeos: the alsa patch applied cleanly?
[05:33] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: lol. i need 2 different ones. not a clone ;)
[05:33] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: you have to deal with xinerama
[05:33] <fritsch> !xinerama
[05:33] <ubotu> xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XineramaHowTo
[05:33] <SeicherlBoB> thanks!
[05:33] <kujeger> gebruiker_: dd could work
[05:33] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: look above (me just wanted to know, if it works)
[05:33] <ninHer> hi all
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch I did not apply the alsa patch
[05:34] <gebruiker_> kujeger: a automatic installer that I could on cd-r
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch I used the system suggested by alsa packagers
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: why then recompiling the kernel?
[05:34] <SeicherlBoB> gotta go now anyway. thanks fritsch!
[05:34] <eeos> where you compile alsa separately
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: you can compile alsa! and! using the default installed ubuntu kernel
[05:34] <eeos> fritsch because you need to set the sound system YES in the kernel configuration and all the rest to no
[05:34] <fritsch> eeos: okay! got it
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: got /usr/src/linux-2.6.15 ....
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: do
[05:35] <BabaLi> Hi, how can i add the kubuntu cdrom to the repository ?
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --append-to-version "-eeos1" --initrd kernel_image
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: on command
[05:35] <eeos> fritsch wait
[05:35] <fritsch> eeos: after that, if you have to compile "nvidia modules or sth. other"
[05:36] <eeos> fritsch do I need to be root?
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg --append-to-version "--eeos1" modules_image
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: yes
[05:36] <fritsch> eeos: this will recompile the whole ubuntu kernel (can take a long time)
[05:37] <eeos> fritsch thsi will NOT remove the present kernel, right?
[05:39] <eeos> fritsch are you there?
[05:39] <bruno> adres of my server is hostraj.com, but it dont running. runnoing only my ip adress
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: yes it wont
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: it will produce nice debian packages
[05:39] <fritsch> eeos: you can install and uninstall
[05:40] <fritsch> eeos: just be sure you typed in my commands correctly
[05:40] <mulder> well back again .hello all
[05:40] <eeos> fritsch so I will be able to run the different kernels
[05:40] <eeos> fritsch I copied and pasted
[05:40] <mulder> hello Fritsch
[05:41] <mulder> and the rest of the helpful guilde
[05:41] <eeos> fritsch is it going to use the config I created the last time?
[05:41] <fritsch> eeos: good :-) you will
[05:41] <fritsch> eeos: yes it does
[05:42] <fritsch> eeos: it uses the .config
[05:42] <fritsch> mulder: hi
[05:42] <eeos> fritsch I have to check, because i think I did make mrproper at the end of last compile, so I removed .config! aaaarrgh!
[05:42] <muller> hi
[05:42] <mulder> well I am still stuck with the same probelm as yesterday
[05:43] <mulder> I thought I was gona give up...I just can't. I really want to have Kubuntu running
[05:43] <ubuntu_> hi room
[05:43] <zipper_> hello
[05:43] <marto> hi
[05:43] <marto> sex>
[05:43] <marto> ?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> i am currently on ubuntu6
[05:44] <ubuntu_> need to ask some question
[05:44] <zipper_> okay?
[05:44] <ubuntu_> how do i set the default manager in ubuntu kdm or gdm?
[05:44] <marto> sex ve?
[05:44] <marto> lainari
[05:44] <ubuntu_> what is the command?
[05:44] <marto> hahahaha
[05:44] <marto> typanari
[05:44] <marto> kavali
[05:44] <marto> :"))))
[05:44] <mulder> when you boot kubuntu you have the choice in the options
[05:45] <mulder> am I right?
[05:45] <marto> ebete sa v gyza ve
[05:45] <marto> uuuuuuuuuu
[05:45] <ubuntu_> that is right sir
[05:45] <marto> ai sa ebem
[05:45] <ubuntu_> but thing is
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch I checked it uses the right config
[05:45] <ubuntu_> when  chked services
[05:45] <ubuntu_> i see both gdm and kdm
[05:45] <marto> aaa
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch what happens to the modules I have compiled for the old kernel?
[05:45] <marto> :")))))))))
[05:45] <ubuntu_> i only want kdm
[05:45] <fritsch> eeos: good, so just wait, it produces deb packages, just a level higher
[05:45] <eeos> fritsch can the new kernel use them?
[05:46] <mulder> well google me thinks :-)
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: no! you have to recompile the modules, too
[05:46] <eeos> fritsch (I compiled some additional modules)
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: which ones do you need?
[05:46] <ubuntu_> so i wanted to know if the was cl tool for setting the defaul dm ?
[05:46] <fritsch> eeos: you need fglx | nvidia?
[05:46] <eeos> et13x for the agere system network card
[05:46] <harmental> anybody using pybliograohic out there?
[05:46] <eeos> fglrx for the ati card
[05:46] <eeos> fritsch  et13x for the agere system network card and  fglrx for the ati card
[05:46] <mulder> and me cannot get linux-686 to run...no downloads working and bad res because of an ati card
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch plus the new alsa, of course
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: please do: sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch after having installed the new kernel I imagine?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> so no1 knows?
[05:47] <jott_> ubuntu_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:47] <mulder> sorry Ubuntu
[05:47] <zipper_> !nvidia > zipper_
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: no just in an other window
[05:47] <ubuntu_> ty jott
[05:47] <fritsch> eeos: sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source
[05:47] <eeos> fritsch shall I stop the compilation process?
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: no!
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: just do what i say :-)
[05:48] <eeos> fritsch already done of course
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: 1.) sudo apt-get install fglrx-kernel-source 2.) cd /usr/src/
[05:48] <ubuntu_> jott u rock :)
[05:48] <ubuntu_> ty so much
[05:48] <fritsch> eeos: 3.) tar xvfz fglrx-kernel-source.tar.gz
[05:48] <Bbetto> i need a program to convert wmv to mpeg
[05:49] <fritsch> 4.) after your kernel compile is finished
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch done
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: make-kpkg --append-to-version "--eeos1" modules_image (within you kernel tree)
[05:49] <ubuntu_> Bbetto:  try winavi video convertor
[05:49] <mulder> I guess I am going to reinstall Kubuntu...too much hassle getting things to work. What is the best kernel recommended folks?
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: this will produce kernel debs and fglrx debs
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch after compilation of new kernel has finished
[05:49] <eeos> fritsch ?
[05:49] <fritsch> eeos: yes, i said so
[05:50] <mulder> I have version Kubuntu 6.06.1 but not sure about KDE
[05:50] <ubuntu_> kubunt 6 has kde 3.5
[05:50] <grothesk> mulder: The latest Kernel, except you are running via-chipsets.
[05:50] <jott_> Bbetto: mencoder or transcode is the way to go ;)
[05:50] <eeos> fritsch without rebooting with new kernel, right
[05:50] <eeos> fritsch ?
[05:50] <fritsch> eeos: yes
[05:50] <mulder> I am on lappy duo core
[05:50] <fritsch> eeos: first create the debs (graphics and kernel)
[05:51] <eeos> fritsch then?
[05:51] <fritsch> eeos: when this is done! sudo dpkg -i KERNEL.deb FGLRX.deb
[05:51] <Bbetto> mencoder and transcode are programs?
[05:51] <mulder> but I have problems getting my second cpu recognized for a start
[05:51] <fritsch> eeos: KERNEL = your produced deb FGLRX=the produced graphics deb
[05:51] <ubuntu_> anyways ty guys
[05:51] <ubuntu_> later all and god bless
[05:51] <Kiongku> hi. can someone show me how to write script to put in Autostart?
[05:51] <fritsch> eeos: after that : sudo update-grub
[05:51] <ubuntu_> jott_:  ty so much once again
[05:51] <fritsch> eeos: after that reboot
[05:51] <eeos> fritsch so that I install the driver on the kernel before rebooting?
[05:52] <fritsch> eeos: logical, or?
[05:52] <jott_> ubuntu_: you're welcome ;)
[05:52] <dhq> i need help with php in kubuntu
[05:52] <eeos> fritsch that is very clever!
[05:52] <fritsch> eeos: lol
[05:52] <eeos> fritsch can I do the same with the other additional modules?
[05:52] <fritsch> eeos: the debs should "land" in /usr/src
[05:52] <eeos> fritsch so that I can package them for everybody else who needs them?
[05:52] <fritsch> eeos: if these are debian packages, you can
[05:53] <eeos> fritsch they are not not available for ubuntu as far as i know
[05:53] <eeos> fritsch but I would like to make them available
[05:53] <fritsch> eeos: then not possible so easy
[05:53] <jott_> Bbetto: yes they are mighty commandline tools ;)
[05:53] <fritsch> eeos: have fun
[05:53] <eeos> fritsch so to give something back to the community
[05:53] <mulder> I need some serious help folks :-(
[05:53] <fritsch> eeos: this what i told you brings you working kernel (with ubuntu config) + working fglrx
[05:53] <fritsch> eeos: nothing more
[05:53] <mulder> Am I the only one not being able to download properly?
[05:53] <fritsch> eeos: the rest you have to do yourself
[05:54] <dhq> the error i get is
[05:54] <dhq> PHP running on your server does not support the GD image library, check with your webhost if ImageMagick is installed
[05:54] <fritsch> mulder: did you have a problem with network card or with apt-get?
[05:54] <eeos> fritsch thanks a lot, I have been mislead her eon chat last time :-)
[05:55] <fritsch> eeos: it`s important that you always! understand what the comamnds are doing
[05:55] <eeos> fritsch can you point me to some documentation to make deb packages out of the modeuls I was telling you
[05:55] <mulder> well I am connected to the internet...can browse through konqueror for example...but problems with downloads...apt-get updates
[05:55] <eeos> fritsch to donate the packages to the community?
[05:55] <fritsch> eeos: no, this is not so easy
[05:56] <fritsch> !make-kpkg
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about make-kpkg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <fritsch> !kernel
[05:56] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:56] <mulder> evertyhing that I open is so slow...system settings..and so on
[05:56] <fritsch> eeos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:56] <fritsch> mulder: okay! here for you now
[05:56] <fritsch> mulder: please do sudo vim /etc/apt/apt.conf
[05:56] <eeos> fritsch i kow this document but it is only for edgy
[05:57] <eeos> fritsch I meant to package the other modules for deb
[05:57] <fritsch> eeos: this can be a bit tricky
[05:57] <eeos> fritsch ah!
[05:57] <eeos> fritsch documentation I can read?
[05:57] <fritsch> eeos: mmmh, no one i just know at the moment
[05:57] <fritsch> eeos: please wait for your kernel to get finished
[05:58] <fritsch> eeos: -> i am with mulder
[05:58] <fritsch> mulder: ?
[05:58] <mulder> yes
[05:59] <mulder> I am pastebining for you
[05:59] <eeos> fritsch ok, thanks, will bother you again when compilation finishes :-D
[05:59] <fritsch> eeos: hehe
[05:59] <Kiongku> !ueagle-atm
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ueagle-atm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <Kiongku> !eagle
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eagle - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <mulder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20772
[06:00] <fritsch> mulder: you are still inside vim?
[06:00] <Kiongku> so anyone knows how to make use of the Autostart folder in kde?
[06:00] <mulder> yes
[06:00] <mulder> vim?
[06:00] <fritsch> mulder: press "dd"
[06:00] <mulder> I am in the console
[06:01] <fritsch> mulder: -> private window, please
[06:01] <mulder> have to register :-(
[06:01] <fritsch> mulder: argh okay
[06:01] <mulder> sorry will do it later
[06:01] <fritsch> mulder: do: sudo rm /etc/apt/apt.conf
[06:01] <mulder> in konsole?
[06:01] <fritsch> mulder: yes
[06:02] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:02] <fritsch> mulder: should not return anything
[06:02] <mulder> yes it doesnt
[06:02] <mulder> not
[06:02] <fritsch> mulder: now do: sudo apt-get update
[06:03] <fritsch> mulder: what happens?
[06:03] <mulder> 0% connecting like yesterday and the day before
[06:03] <fritsch> mulder: wait
[06:03] <fritsch> mulder: cancel it
[06:03] <fritsch> mulder: cd /etc/apt/
[06:04] <mulder> doesn't give anything
[06:04] <Darkkish> O.o
[06:04] <mulder> only /etc/apt$
[06:04] <Darkkish> its a directory dude
[06:04] <Darkkish> a folder
[06:05] <VincentMX> hi
[06:05] <mulder> shall I poison myself or try again? :-)
[06:06] <fritsch> mulder: you are in /etc/apt/ ?
[06:06] <mulder> yes
[06:06] <mulder> that is what it shows
[06:06] <kujeger> is it even physically possible to have X run at 1600x1200@100hz?
[06:06] <fritsch> mulder: now do sudo wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf
[06:06] <fritsch> mulder: "sudo wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:06] <VincentMX> im running the kubuntu livecd, but i dont have any sound
[06:06] <kujeger> because I swear it just refuses to do so no matter what I put in xorg.conf
[06:07] <VincentMX> though it seems to support my soundcard
[06:07] <fritsch> mulder: just copy and paste it
[06:07] <mulder> I get an >
[06:07] <fritsch> mulder: everything INSIDE ""
[06:07] <Darkkish> Vinvent i think that might be a common problem with liveCD, but you can't change anything on the live CD permanently so it would be stypid trying to fix it
[06:07] <fritsch> mulder: not the "" it self
[06:08] <Darkkish> guys i have to boot to windows...
[06:08] <VincentMX> Darkkish: so there are more people with the same problem?
[06:08] <Darkkish> VincentMX: i know there was one yesterday
[06:08] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:08] <VincentMX> if i install, could i then solve the problem?
[06:08] <Gh0st75> i had trouble with sound yesterday
[06:08] <VincentMX> on livecd?
[06:09] <Gh0st75> was after i installed java, not on the live cd but after i had already installed kubuntu on the HD
[06:09] <Darkkish> i'm not sure, VincentMX have you ever used linux before?
[06:09] <mulder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20775
[06:09] <VincentMX> Darkkish: yes a lot
[06:09] <Gh0st75> i reinstalled kubuntu and tried java again and now i have both java and sound
[06:09] <Darkkish> VincentMX: go to adept and look for drivers
[06:09] <VincentMX> ok
[06:09] <fritsch> mulder: the WHOLE betwenn ""
[06:10] <fritsch> mulder: watch "sudo wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:10] <mulder> me lost
[06:10] <fritsch> mulder: CommandBegin: sudo wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf :CommandEnd
[06:10] <fritsch> mulder: okay?
[06:10] <Darkkish> VincentMX: also read what ghost said, basicly he had trouble until he installed it, and installed java, also make sure you're not testing the sound with an MP3 because kubuntu doesn't come with MP3 support preloaded
[06:11] <mulder> I can't open Kate (sorry Kate) it get very slow
[06:11] <fritsch> mulder: you do not have to open kate
[06:11] <Darkkish> any ways i g2g
[06:11] <Darkkish> later guys
[06:11] <mulder> I am trying to understand what you asked me to do
[06:11] <VincentMX> Darkkish: i mean the normal sounds
[06:11] <Gh0st75> aye, just open kaffeine and play the sample clip in Examples to test your sound
[06:11] <fritsch> mulder: you just have to make "one" command
[06:11] <Darkkish> VincentMX: ok, well try what ghost said above,
[06:11] <Gh0st75> or go under Sound in System Settings and click Test
[06:11] <VincentMX> ok
[06:11] <fritsch> mulder: command is following
[06:11] <mulder> I open Konsole and type what?
[06:12] <fritsch> mulder: yes in a terminal
[06:12] <fritsch> mulder: i make a screen shot for you ... mom
[06:12] <mulder> she is ok
[06:12] <Gh0st75> i downloaded and installed java thru konsole instead of adept, and had less trouble this time
[06:12] <mulder> me not...
[06:13] <fritsch> mulder: you are in terminal, now?
[06:13] <mulder> yes
[06:13] <fritsch> mulder: "sudo su"
[06:13] <fritsch> mulder: whithout the ""
[06:13] <VincentMX> Gh0st75: but i have problems on the livecd, does the livecd have java?
[06:14] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:14] <mulder> ok it says root...balblah
[06:14] <Gh0st75> no, neither the livecd or the regular install have java by default
[06:14] <fritsch> mulder: "cd /etc/apt"
[06:14] <fritsch> mulder: without the ""
[06:14] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:14] <mulder> still gives me root...blablah
[06:14] <Gh0st75> your problem would appear to be different than mine, my sound worked fine until my first attempt at installing java in the regular install of kubuntu
[06:14] <VincentMX> ok
[06:14] <fritsch> mulder: but now there is /etc/apt <- at the beginning?
[06:15] <Gh0st75> are you trying to get sound from a particular filetype tho?
[06:15] <mulder> yes
[06:15] <fritsch> mulder: "rm sources.list"
[06:15] <Gh0st75> because many codecs aren't supported on the live cd or the initial install
[06:15] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:15] <Kiongku> my kde command shortcuts for keyboard crash o0?
[06:15] <mulder> yes
[06:15] <Gh0st75> did you try to play the nelson mandella clip from Kaffeine's examples folder?
[06:16] <VincentMX> Gh0st75: no i mean the system sounds
[06:16] <fritsch> mulder: "wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:16] <Gh0st75> so when you click Test you don't hear anything?
[06:16] <VincentMX> ill try the clip
[06:16] <VincentMX> nope
[06:16] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:16] <mulder> yes
[06:16] <Gh0st75> hmm, not sure what to tell ya then
[06:16] <fritsch> mulder: "wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/sources.list"
[06:16] <kirikou> hello, i was trying to install apollon with the Apollon-all-in-one-installer for 1.0.2.1
[06:16] <kirikou> On kubuntu
[06:17] <kirikou> but I get the error : configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:17] <Gh0st75> on the live cd i encountered zero problems, so i suppose it could be an issue with sound card incompatibility, or a damanged image for the live cd
[06:17] <kirikou> does anyone know how I get this in the $path
[06:17] <timthelion_> for some reason every time I  start konqueror, the bookmarks toolbar is there.  even though, everytime I have it open. I remove it.  is there a way to permanently remove it so it will stop invading my screen space
[06:17] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:17] <mulder> it tries to open through Kate
[06:17] <Gh0st75> sorry i have no other ideas, am a total beginner with this myself :(
[06:17] <fritsch> mulder: no! thats wrong
[06:17] <mulder> and Kate doesn't open
[06:18] <VincentMX> ok
[06:18] <fritsch> mulder: what command did you type in?
[06:18] <VincentMX> no sound in mandela clip either
[06:18] <fritsch> mulder: man, man :-(
[06:18] <Gh0st75> k, so not a codec issue
[06:18] <fritsch> mulder: just the things between the ""
[06:18] <kirikou> gcc 3.0-base is installed
[06:18] <Gh0st75> rules that out
[06:18] <mulder> hold on
[06:18] <kirikou> and gcc 4.0-base is installed
[06:18] <kirikou> and libgcc1.0
[06:18] <kirikou> - .0
[06:19] <mulder> sorry Fritsch I am trying dude
[06:19] <jott_> kirikou: install build-essential
[06:19] <Gh0st75> when you booted into the live cd, it ran a whole lot of info about installing this and that, and initializing this and that....they should all have said OK to the right of them as they scrolled down.....did you get any saying "failed" ?
[06:20] <mulder> I see my errors
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: the redo! you have to be in /etc/apt/
[06:20] <kirikou> how jott_
[06:20] <mulder> let me start again quickly
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: okay
[06:20] <jott_> kirikou: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: 1.) sudo su
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: 2.) cd /etc/apt
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: 3.) rm apt.conf
[06:20] <fritsch> mulder: 4.) rm sources.list
[06:21] <fritsch> mulder: 5.) wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf
[06:21] <fritsch> mulder: 6.) wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/sources.list
[06:22] <Gh0st75> holefully one of the other, more knowledgable folks here can help you Vincent, not all of them are here at the moment tho, but they come and go
[06:22] <Gh0st75> myself, i've got to head out and run some errands, as my linux adventure has eaten up my entire morning once again :)
[06:22] <Gh0st75> ciao
[06:22] <fritsch> mulder: done?
[06:24] <mulder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20778
[06:24] <larson9999> man, apt is so much faster than yum it's not even funny
[06:25] <timthelion_> for some reason every time I  start konqueror, the bookmarks toolbar is there.  even though, everytime I have it open. I remove it.  is there a way to permanently remove it so it will stop invading my screen space
[06:25] <mulder> regarding the links...do they have to be one after the other?
[06:25] <fritsch> mulder: man, man
[06:26] <mulder> what again?!!!
[06:26] <fritsch> mulder: :-)
[06:26] <fritsch> mulder: you ARE using a proxy in kde
[06:26] <mulder> I have no clue man
[06:26] <fritsch> mulder: your konsole cannot connect to the inet
[06:26] <mulder> you mean I need isp dns servers numbers
[06:26] <fritsch> mulder: no problem
[06:26] <fritsch> mulder: no
[06:26] <mulder> ah
[06:27] <fritsch> mulder: we have to tell your console, that it has to use the same you are using in kde
[06:27] <fritsch> mulder: whats your browser?
[06:27] <mulder> Your patience will be rewarded in the heavens to come Fritschey!
[06:27] <mulder> konqueror for the time being...want to install firefox...don't know how to do that!
[06:28] <fritsch> mulder: pkay, klick on the "blue kde button"
[06:28] <mulder> yes
[06:28] <fritsch> mulder: then click on systemsettings
[06:28] <fritsch> mulder: then on "Connections"
[06:28] <fritsch> mulder: what is done here in "PROXY"
[06:28] <mulder> that is what I was saying...can't get into system settings or kate or anything
[06:29] <mulder> it freezes
[06:29] <fritsch> mulder: you are kidding? are you?
[06:29] <mulder> I am not
[06:29] <CVirus-Costa> what package has the GET command !!
[06:29] <fritsch> mulder: but konqueror is working?
[06:29] <mulder> yes
[06:30] <jott_> CVirus-Costa: libwww-perl
[06:30] <fritsch> mulder: click on Settings -> Set up konqueror
[06:30] <CVirus-Costa> jott_: thanks
[06:30] <VincentMX> hmm
[06:30] <Kiongku> ehrm ppl need help
[06:30] <mulder> where settings?
[06:30] <fritsch> mulder: Dokuments - Edit - View - Bookmarks - Extras - SETTINGS
[06:30] <jott_> CVirus-Costa: for the next time: install apt-file , then do   apt-file update   and apt-file search GET ;-)
[06:30] <Kiongku> does system settings> Regianl and Accessibilty > keyboard Shortcuts > command shortcuts work for u in kde 3.5.4?
[06:31] <mulder> ah yes ok
[06:31] <CVirus-Costa> jott_: will do
[06:31] <harmental> im using some gnome apps ...is there a way to set their encoding?
[06:31] <fritsch> mulder: here choose the one very on the bottom
[06:31] <harmental> (im under kde of course...)
[06:31] <fritsch> mulder: set up konqueror
[06:32] <mulder> configure konqueror?
[06:32] <Kiongku> can anyone confirm if the module is working?
[06:32] <fritsch> mulder: yes
[06:32] <jott_> Kiongku: use kcontrol not system settings
[06:32] <mulder> ok donr
[06:32] <jott_> Kiongku: systemsettings seems to be broken
[06:32] <Kiongku> jott_: u have same bug?.. command shortcuts crashes?
[06:32] <fritsch> mulder: now scroll down till you see PROXY
[06:33] <jott_> Kiongku: yes with "systemsettings" .. "kcontrol" works fine
[06:33] <mulder> yep
[06:33] <fritsch> mulder: what is set up here?
[06:33] <Kiongku> jott_: where is kcontrol?
[06:33] <mulder> two guys talking why?
[06:33] <jott_> Kiongku: just do "Run command.." and enter kcontrol
[06:33] <mulder> :-) it shows
[06:33] <fritsch> mulder: please! your settings :-(
[06:33] <Kiongku> jott_: thx i'll check it out
[06:33] <CVirus-Costa> Kiongku: alt + f2
[06:33] <fritsch> mulder: wargh, please stop kidding me
[06:33] <mulder> connect to the internet directly
[06:34] <fritsch> mulder: this is really not fun anymore
[06:34] <fritsch> mulder: okay
[06:34] <mulder> me kidding uou nah
[06:34] <fritsch> mulder: back to the terminal (you can close all windows)
[06:34] <fritsch> mulder: type: export |grep -i proxy
[06:34] <fritsch> mulder: what comes out?
[06:35] <mulder> nothing
[06:35] <Kiongku> Yeah kcontrol works good.. wonder what happened to systemsettings? its a recent bug?
[06:35] <fritsch> mulder: okay sorry, really cannot help
[06:36] <fritsch> mulder: don`t know what the problem is ...
[06:36] <mulder> I am honest Fritsch
[06:36] <mulder> nothing comes up :-(
[06:36] <fritsch> mulder: your konqueror can connect without! a proxy but wget cannot
[06:36] <mulder> well that is the mystery of technology
[06:37] <fritsch> mulder: no its not
[06:37] <mulder> If nobody can help me...well I better forget about Kubuntu then :-(
[06:37] <fritsch> mulder: are you behind a router?
[06:37] <fritsch> mulder: or directly connected to the internet?
[06:37] <mulder> wireless router yes-DLInk
[06:37] <mulder> Well I am here talking to you I am connected :-)
[06:38] <mulder> I can browse through K
[06:38] <eeos> !pastebin
[06:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:38] <fritsch> mulder: but wget cannot, this is really odd
[06:38] <mulder> you know more than I do man
[06:38] <fritsch> mulder: what says "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[06:39] <fritsch> mulder: without the ""
[06:39] <mulder> nameserver 10.1.1.1
[06:39] <fritsch> mulder: what says: ping www.heise.de
[06:39] <fritsch> mulder: "ping www.heise.de"
[06:40] <fritsch> jott_: lol :-)
[06:40] <mulder> it gives me pings a lot of them
[06:40] <fritsch> mulder: okay
[06:41] <fritsch> mulder: what does say "ping www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de"
[06:41] <mulder> it pings too
[06:42] <mulder> and me I ping u in :-)
[06:42] <mulder> ok I am listening
[06:42] <fritsch> mulder: what says "wget http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:42] <Dinofly> does somebody knows how to synchronise 2 folder views in konqueror ?
[06:43] <jott_> Dinofly: go for krusader its better suited for such things ;)
[06:43] <mulder> >
[06:43] <soulrider> Dinofly: i dont think you can
[06:43] <soulrider> i suggest use krusader
[06:43] <mulder> just a >
[06:43] <Dinofly> thanks
[06:43] <fritsch> mulder: what does wget --no-proxy http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:44] <mulder> it pings and gives infos
[06:44] <fritsch> no, defenitely not!
[06:44] <fritsch> mulder: "wget --no-proxy http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf"
[06:45] <Kiongku> can i add konqueror /home/name to a shortcut key?
[06:45] <mulder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20783 for the 1st one
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: YEAH! its working
[06:46] <mulder> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20784 for second
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: now
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: 1.) sudo su
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: 2.) cd /etc/apt
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: 3.) rm sources.list
[06:46] <otaku-san> Yo, has anyone had problems with flash in your Firefox browser where if flash plays no sound comes out?  Everything else plays sound perfectly...
[06:46] <fritsch> mulder: 4.) rm apt.conf
[06:47] <fritsch> mulder: 5.) wget --no-proxy http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/sources.list
[06:47] <fritsch> mulder: 6.) wget --no-proxy http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~unatk/apt.conf
[06:47] <mulder> Oi Oiwait
[06:47] <fritsch> mulder: just 1,2,3,4,5,6
[06:48] <mulder> after rm sources.list it says rm: cannot remove 'sources.list' No such file or directory
[06:48] <fritsch> mulder: okay! just go to the next step
[06:48] <fritsch> mulder: -> 4.)
[06:49] <mulder> same
[06:49] <roman> i have installed frostwire
[06:50] <dhq_> i downloaded a tar.gz file its a source how do i complime it
[06:50] <fritsch> mulder: -> 5.
[06:50] <dhq_> *compile
[06:50] <roman> and its not working
[06:50] <fritsch> mulder: have to go!
[06:50] <fritsch> just do till 6
[06:50] <fritsch> cu
[06:50] <roman> when i click on frostwire kmenu->internet->frostwire nothing happens
[06:51] <mulder> Thank you for all your time dude
[06:51] <soulrider> roman i have the same problem
[06:51] <soulrider> open up console and type "frostwire"
[06:51] <mulder> I guess I better give up Linux
[06:51] <soulrider> and tell us what you get
[06:51] <roman> ok
[06:51] <otaku-san> roman: how did you install frostwire....I've several different ways and it's not working
[06:51] <soulrider> mulder, dont
[06:52] <mulder> heartbroken man :-(
[06:52] <otaku-san> mulder: what are you trying to do?
[06:52] <roman> ava exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[06:52] <roman> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE. FrostWire works best with Sun JRE available at http://www.java.com
[06:52] <roman> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/lib/  hierarchy
[06:52] <roman> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[06:52] <roman> ls: /usr/java/j*: Onbekend bestand of map
[06:52] <dhq_> in kubuntu what is the alternate for make
[06:52] <roman> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[06:52] <soulrider> i get the same too
[06:52] <fritsch> mulder: done till step 6?
[06:52] <roman> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[06:52] <roman> ls: /opt/j*: Onbekend bestand of map
[06:52] <soulrider> please, dont post your errors here
[06:52] <roman> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /opt/  hierarchy
[06:52] <roman> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com
[06:52] <roman> thats is what i see
[06:52] <roman> thanx
[06:52] <mulder> look at the conversation between me and Fritsch and you will get an idea :-( it's been 3 days like that
[06:52] <roman> to instal frostwire
[06:52] <roman> jou mus go to this link
[06:53] <soulrider> do you have java installed?
[06:53] <soulrider> or is it not finding it ?
[06:53] <mulder> can't get update, linux-686, duo core recognized, decent resolution
[06:53] <roman> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[06:53] <mulder> system settings seems so slow
[06:53] <mulder> and cannot open
[06:53] <fritsch> mulder: all done??? with step6?
[06:54] <otaku-san> roman: ya but I get what your getting!  Everytime it complains of not having a good version of Java...but I've updated that thing like twice now
[06:54] <roman> i think i must update my java to run froswire
[06:54] <roman> in adept
[06:54] <roman> not from the site
[06:54] <roman> did you do that
[06:55] <gebruiker123> How do I make sure then whe I invoke adduser the user is added to the group "audio"?
[06:55] <[GuS] > guys... youy could install java... the package reference is sun-java5*
[06:55] <mulder> it is trying to connect but stays at 0%
[06:55] <dhq_> please help
[06:56] <mulder> Geez...if I can ping it should work damn it
[06:56] <dhq_> ftp://ftp.imagemagick.org/pub/ImageMagick/ImageMagick.tar.gz this is a file i want help how to compile it
[06:57] <mulder> Well...I am off. Thanks for all your help Fritsch
[06:59] <roman> how can you upgrade java
[06:59] <dhq_> do rmp files work in kubuntu
[07:00] <roman> maybe jou must have blackdown java from the pakkage mannager for frostwire
[07:00] <otaku-san> roman: ya I updated from adept....I wish I could just ./configure, make, make install it....
[07:00] <roman> and is it working
[07:00] <dhq_> otaku-san: how to you compile a source
[07:01] <Kiongku> can konqueror be assigned a shortcut key?
[07:01] <otaku-san> roman: no thats the thing I go to install frost and it complains of not having an upgraded Java
[07:01] <dhq> otaku-san: how to you compile a source
[07:01] <roman> shitt
[07:02] <otaku-san> dhq: .....dude chill man...don't look ubur n00b.  I was getting to ya
[07:02] <Erich-K> Hey guys
[07:02] <otaku-san> dhq: ok now you want to compile a source right.... okay what source is it?
[07:03] <otaku-san> Erich-K: Yo!  What's up?
[07:03] <dhq> otaku-san: , ImageMagick
[07:03] <Kiongku> dhq: 1st rule.. make sure u have all the devs-lib needed XD
[07:03] <Erich-K> Not much, just chillin'
[07:03] <Erich-K> Playing the best game ever, Frozen bubble
[07:03] <Kiongku> lol
[07:04] <Kiongku> Erich-K: Does kubuntu have games installed in by default?
[07:04] <dhq> Kiongku:k
[07:04] <otaku-san> dhq; yes those are imperitive....or Konsole will complain for days
[07:04] <roman> im gonna look on the frostwire site
[07:04] <Erich-K> Yeah, it has some games
[07:04] <otaku-san> roman: Ok,  see if you can find something on our prob
[07:05] <otaku-san> Erich-K: hehe chillin's nice...
[07:05] <Kiongku> dhq: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/install-source.php did u ever read that?
[07:05] <Kiongku> Erich-K: how to access them.. cant see in start menu
[07:06] <Erich-K> If they aren't in start menu, you can just install them with adept or synaptic
[07:06] <Kiongku> Erich-K: ok
[07:06] <dhq> Kiongku: yes i read but the make command just wont work
[07:06] <otaku-san> hey, where is something for adept where I can put my source.list in it...it still has it's original small one...whilst apt-get has a big one full of the best
[07:07] <Kiongku> dhq: so u are missing some packages
[07:07] <Kiongku> dhq: did ./configure go well?
[07:07] <dhq> yes without errors
[07:08] <dhq> Kiongku: ./configure was ok
[07:08] <Kiongku> dhq: have build-essential?
[07:09] <otaku-san> dhq if it says ok then move onto the make
[07:09] <dhq> Kiongku: how do i know if i have build essentials
[07:10] <Kiongku> dhq: adept manager or synaptic should tell when u search it
[07:10] <dhq> k
[07:10] <roman> nope i found nothing about java
[07:11] <rikioh> kubuntu isnt recognizing my usb cd burner
[07:11] <rikioh> can anyone help?
[07:11] <roman> restart
[07:11] <Hawkwind> dhq: dpkg -l build-essentials
[07:11] <roman> linux
[07:11] <Hawkwind> Don't restart Linux
[07:11] <Hawkwind> Bad advice, by all means
[07:11] <maltaethiron> lolo
[07:12] <Hawkwind> Ughhhhhh
[07:12] <Hawkwind> roman: Please don't tell users to do that
[07:12] <dhq> thanx all my make command is working
[07:12] <dhq> :)
[07:12] <roman> wy not
[07:12] <Kiongku> dhq: so problem solved?
[07:12] <maltaethiron> hawkwind: why is restarting linux a bad practice?
[07:12] <Hawkwind> roman: Because that's bad advice
[07:12] <dhq> thanx Kiongku
[07:12] <roman> sometimes it works
[07:12] <Hawkwind> roman: Restarting the OS is for Windows users
[07:12] <Hawkwind> roman: But there is *no* need for it
[07:12] <maltaethiron> mwahaha
[07:12] <Kiongku> dhq: u know what.. its the experience of a 3 days old new linux user
[07:13] <roman> jeah you can also restart kde
[07:13] <maltaethiron> so how are those repos workin out for ya kiongku?
[07:13] <Kiongku> dhq: btw ur welcome
[07:13] <dhq> Kiongku: well i am in linux for a week i guess i was a windows user before
[07:13] <Hawkwind> roman: Again, that will *not* help
[07:13] <Kiongku> dhq: same here.. hardcore windows user XD.. untill now
[07:13] <Sanctusorium> Hi
[07:13] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: very good thx.. not yet any prob
[07:14] <roman> o
[07:14] <D4rkly> how can i disable the kubuntu splash the one that says mounting root filesystem ?
[07:14] <Sanctusorium> I have been a huge Windows user...  Still am for mostly games =b
[07:14] <roman> i have the problem with frostwire solved
[07:14] <maltaethiron> kiongku: very cool.  if anything does happen to go wrong, let me know because chances are something will be messed up in mine too
[07:15] <Sanctusorium> It is really hard getting used to Linux
[07:15] <Kiongku> d4rkly: uninstall usplash ?.. it will be text based then
[07:15] <roman> it is working now
[07:15] <Sanctusorium> =/  I cant even get online with it.
[07:15] <D4rkly> will it show me all the error msg's at boot ?
[07:15] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: sure. np.. i'll be around in this channel for a long time.. as long as i have kubuntu =)
[07:15] <maltaethiron> haha, same here
[07:15] <Kiongku> d4rkly: what u mean by error msg?
[07:15] <roman> yo
[07:16] <rikioh> my usb cd burner still isnt working
[07:16] <rikioh> its powered on but like linux doesnt see it i guess
[07:16] <D4rkly> i want to disable the splash so i can see all the boot messages and work out why only sometimes the roo filesystem gets mounted
[07:16] <Kiongku> dhq: btw let me know if u find imagemagick good. i'm looking for an image editor too :P
[07:16] <Kiongku> d4rkly: ehrm.. may be try dmesg?
[07:16] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Unplug it, then type: sudo tail -f /var/log/messages   then plug in the device.  Put the output of that into http://pastebin.ca
[07:17] <Kiongku> d4rkly: i'm not sure
[07:17] <Kiongku> d4rkly: removing splash will only show a console based text. it will be of no use
[07:18] <dhq> Kiongku: yes bro
[07:18] <Erich-K> Brb
[07:18] <maltaethiron> hawkwind: i trust you - do you know much about kismet?
[07:19] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Nope.  I have never used stuff like that for wireless to be honest
[07:19] <Kiongku> dhq: so how is the new toy. anything good?..
[07:19] <maltaethiron> ah ok
[07:19] <Kiongku> !kismet
[07:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kismet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:19] <dhq> Kiongku: still make install in progress
[07:19] <maltaethiron> hey, is there anyone in here that can tell me why the hell kismet doesnt work?
[07:20] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: kismet not here? with the bot?
[07:20] <Kiongku> dhq: lol ok.
[07:20] <maltaethiron> kiongku: what?
[07:21] <rikioh> hawkwind: -------- http://pastebin.ca/135024
[07:21] <Sanctusorium> Can any one help me as well?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20789
[07:22] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Have you tried: sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/some-directory    Replace /some-directory with a directory you have created within the /mnt/ directory
[07:22] <rikioh> does it have to be any specific name
[07:22] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Whatever you want it to be, but you need to create it first
[07:23] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: no i mean.. the kismet is not listed by the ubuntu bot?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> !info kismet
[07:23] <ubotu> kismet: Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 2005.08.R1-1.2 (dapper), package size 910 kB, installed size 2408 kB
[07:23] <Kiongku> ah
[07:24] <rikioh> i dont even have an sdc1 folder in dev
[07:24] <rikioh> even when i view hidden
[07:24] <Hawkwind> rikioh: You need to do this:  mkdir /mnt/usb
[07:24] <maltaethiron> i have it installed, but i need to figure out what it wants when it says "sources"...i think it means wireless access points, but am i gonna have to mess with a conf file every time i wanna use kismet?
[07:24] <Hawkwind> rikioh: mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb
[07:25] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Actually that would be:  sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb
[07:27] <rikioh> in dev i have no sdc1 do i need to make that too
[07:27] <maltaethiron> !info ap
[07:27] <ubotu> Package ap does not exist in dapper
[07:28] <Kiongku> !info eagle
[07:28] <ubotu> eagle: Printed circuit board design tool. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 4.11-8ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2700 kB, installed size 6592 kB
[07:29] <maltaethiron> !info nano
[07:29] <ubotu> nano: free Pico clone with some new features. In component main, is standard. Version 1.3.10-1 (dapper), package size 250 kB, installed size 1416 kB
[07:30] <maltaethiron> anyone at all skilled in kismet?
[07:30] <Kiongku> Pico clone? whats that
[07:31] <maltaethiron> its a text editor
[07:31] <maltaethiron> !info pico
[07:31] <ubotu> Package pico does not exist in dapper
[07:31] <maltaethiron> !pico
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pico - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <Erich-K> !info pico
[07:31] <ubotu> Package pico does not exist in dapper
[07:31] <maltaethiron> so much for that
[07:32] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: like kate?
[07:32] <Hawkwind> rikioh: No.  Just type what I've asked you to type
[07:33] <maltaethiron> kindof, but nano is an in-console editor
[07:33] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: ah i see ok
[07:33] <maltaethiron> sudo nano /path/to/directory
[07:34] <MitchM> sudo vim /path/to/directory :)
[07:34] <maltaethiron> whats vim?
[07:34] <MitchM> *gasp*
[07:34] <Hawkwind> VIM is a CLI editor
[07:34] <maltaethiron> cli = ?
[07:34] <MitchM> command line interface
[07:34] <Hawkwind> Command Line Interface
[07:34] <aliasfred> known to be very hard to use :)
[07:34] <MitchM> bah.
[07:34] <MitchM> its the greatest.
[07:34] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: As in console or konsole or terminal
[07:35] <aliasfred> nano is a bit easier to use
[07:35] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: To some maybe
[07:35] <maltaethiron> right ok
[07:35] <maltaethiron> i like nano
[07:35] <Sanctusorium> Can any one help, or am I on my own? ;_;
[07:35] <Hawkwind> vim is rather simple
[07:35] <aliasfred> kate is much easier :)
[07:35] <Sanctusorium> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20789
[07:35] <MitchM> *shrugs* i was raised on vi
[07:35] <maltaethiron> sanctusorium:i looked at it, i cant think of anything
[07:35] <maltaethiron> sorry bro
[07:35] <Sanctusorium> Ah, thanks anyways
[07:35] <rikioh> it says u must specify the filesystem type
[07:35] <maltaethiron> have hawkwind take a whack at it, he's pretty smart
[07:35] <MitchM> vim = vi improved !
[07:36] <aliasfred> back in the 90 i tried to use vi for a whole year because people kept telling it was great
[07:36] <MitchM> that it is.
[07:36] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: I don't do wireless.  My card is natively supported out of the box by every distro known to man kind :)
[07:36] <MitchM> its all about getting the keyboar shortcuts down
[07:36] <aliasfred> well a year of everyday use was not enought for me to see any greatness in this :)
[07:36] <maltaethiron> ahh ok
[07:36] <MitchM> and the nifty little command line -options
[07:36] <harmental> im using some gnome apps ...is there a way to set their encoding?
[07:36] <Hawkwind> http://www.jess2.net/doc/vicmd.png
[07:36] <Hawkwind> That is the best vi cheatsheet in the world
[07:36] <excitatory_> how do you kill your ghost?
[07:37] <Sanctusorium> It seems no one knows <_<
[07:37] <MitchM> well you see its in taking pride in knowing that you can use vim where others cant
[07:37] <MitchM> its a nice little editor
[07:37] <Hawkwind> excitatory_: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[07:37] <Sanctusorium> Maby I will get lucky after several reboots XD
[07:37] <Hawkwind> excitatory_: For future references, /msg nickserv help
[07:37] <excitatory_> aah
[07:37] <excitatory_> Hawkwind: ok, thank you.
[07:37] <rikioh> Hawkwind: it says u must specify the filesystem type
[07:38] <MitchM> very nice cheat sheet hawk
[07:39] <Hawkwind> rikioh: sudo mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb
[07:39] <Hawkwind> MitchM: Yeah.  Best one I know of :)
[07:39] <MitchM> stylish too
[07:39] <MitchM> bonus points :)
[07:40] <rikioh> Hawkwind: sudo mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usbmount: you must specify the filesystem type
[07:41] <rikioh> oops i messed up :(
[07:41] <rikioh> Hawkwind: sudo mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb               mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[07:41] <rikioh> there thats how it is
[07:43] <Hawkwind> rikioh: I thought this was a cdrom drive ?
[07:43] <obscurite> is there a superior wifi interface to wifi-radar? i wrote a bash script for connecting via wifi that seems to work better for my madwifi card
[07:44] <obscurite> the built-int kde wifi stuff was useless to me
[07:44] <obscurite> and I have something called NetworkManager running and god knows what that does
[07:44] <rikioh> it is
[07:44] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Is there a CD in the drive ?
[07:44] <rikioh> yes
[07:44] <rikioh> a blank 1
[07:44] <Hawkwind> rikioh: You don't mount blank CD's
[07:44] <Kiongku> hey ppl. Anyone knows how to write a script For Autostart?
[07:45] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Nor do you mount audio CD's
[07:45] <rikioh> im not wanting to mount a cd
[07:45] <rikioh> im wanting to mount the burner so i can burn a cd
[07:45] <obscurite> Kiongku - just copy your script to ~/.kde/Autostart/
[07:45] <maltaethiron> whats the default cd burner in kde?
[07:45] <Hawkwind> rikioh: You sure it's not auto mounted when you plug it in ?
[07:45] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: k3b is one
[07:46] <Kiongku> obscurite: i need to write the script first -_-"
[07:46] <rikioh> i dont see it in my files and k3b doesnt recognize it at all
[07:46] <sledge_at_work> rikioh: You cannot mount the burner. The burner is a device file living in /dev. ;D
[07:46] <obscurite> I like the k3b interface but only 1 in 5 cd's seems to actually burn correctly
[07:46] <obscurite> Kiongku - to run command (say foo.sh) just write a script that says "#!/bin/bash; foo.sh &"
[07:46] <sledge_at_work> rikioh: Did you run the K3B setup?
[07:46] <Hawkwind> obscurite: Strange.  I've burned thousands and thousands of CD's/DVD's with k3b and have only had about 4 - 5 not burn correctly
[07:46] <rikioh> yeh
[07:46] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Try mounting it without the CD in the drive
[07:46] <obscurite> Kiongku - put #!/bin/bash on it's own line
[07:47] <obscurite> Kawkwind - could be my hardware
[07:47] <maltaethiron> haha, kawkwind
[07:47] <Kiongku> obscurite: should the command be found in  a certain folder?
[07:47] <rikioh> its no different hawkwind
[07:47] <Erich-K> How do I install the QT library?
[07:47] <obscurite> Kiongku - it should be in your PATH or you should reference the folder i.e. /bin/foo.sh
[07:48] <rikioh> ok if my burner is mounted what would the location of it be
[07:48] <Kiongku> obscurite: by path what u mean?
[07:48] <Hawkwind> Erich-K: sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools ?
[07:48] <obscurite> Kiongku - commands run by shells must be in your PATH environment variable if you don't specify the path on the command line. type "echo $PATH" in your shell to see it
[07:49] <rikioh> its not finding any devices in /dev/ but i dont really know where to look
[07:49] <rikioh> to find it
[07:49] <obscurite> Kiongku - directories in your PATH are searched when you run a command. the first one that contains the program is used to run it.
[07:49] <Erich-K> Hawkwind: That seems to be it. Thanks.
[07:49] <Kiongku> obscurite: aha i see thx
[07:49] <Hawkwind> rikioh: According to the pastebin you showed, it's /dev/sdcx  Replace x with a number
[07:50] <obscurite> Hawkwind - it could also be that i was trying to burn ubuntu CDs. i've always had to go through many burns to get good ubuntu install disks. ironic eh?
[07:51] <Erich-K> Ahh, but now it needs me to set the directory, how do i do that?
[07:51] <rikioh> ok when i tried adding a device in keb and i just type /dev/sdc
[07:51] <rikioh> and my burner started making noises
[07:51] <rikioh> like it was booting up or something
[07:51] <rikioh> but it still failed :(
[07:53] <apallo19> wow, it takes a long time to install desktop environments
[07:53] <Erich-K> Yes
[07:53] <apallo19> heh
[07:54] <Kiongku> obscurite: how do i write a script instructing to say the command "pon ueagle-atm" that i put in konsole
[07:54] <Erich-K> How can i set the qt directory?
[07:56] <obscurite> Kiongku - #!/bin/sh <newline> pon ueagle-atm
[07:56] <obscurite> Kiongku - make it executable with "chmod +x <scriptname>"
[08:00] <Erich-K> How can i set the qt directory?
[08:04] <macconline> hi.... how change the bootsplash??
[08:05] <Kiongku> obscurite: thx a lot. I'll check it out the next time i restart
[08:07] <anssi_> hello
[08:07] <pieter> hoi all
[08:08] <anssi_> somebody tell me how to unzip on kubuntu please
[08:08] <longbean> after listening to "neighbor radio" on last.fm using amarok 1.4.1, if i select "global tags" i get the "neighbor radio" stream from last.fm. before i listened to neigbor radio, global tags worked fine
[08:08] <Hawkwind> anssi_: unzip filename.zip
[08:08] <ceroglu> hi all
[08:08] <Hawkwind> anssi_: If need be, sudo apt-get install unzip
[08:08] <anssi_> okay thanks
[08:08] <ceroglu> could some one tell me what is the url of kubuntu package depository?
[08:10] <anssi_> never been on irc before
[08:11] <lfernando> anssi_, actually it is my first time here too...
[08:11] <anssi_> also i have one broplem i cant seem to get java workin on konqueror..what could be the problem?
[08:12] <Hawkwind> !java > anssi_
[08:12] <dom> !repository
[08:12] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:12] <dverzolla> I need to delete some messages from my imap server, but I need to delete based in a Subject parameter, anyone knows with software I can use?
[08:14] <dom> nm ceroglu, that's not very specific.  mine are under ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/
[08:14] <D4rkly> anyone know how i can watch dvd's ?
[08:14] <Hawkwind> !dvd > D4rkly
[08:14] <D4rkly> the player pops up when i put the disc in but wnt play
[08:15] <dom> kubuntu basically depends on the "kubuntu-desktop" package (or whatever it's called) so afaik, all the ubuntu variants are the same repositories
[08:15] <anssi_> this aint too easy operating system for a long time windows user
[08:16] <anssi_> im only experimenting with kubuntu and finding out if it fits to my standards
[08:16] <Hawkwind> anssi_: It's a bit difficult at first, but if you stick with it and learn it, it gets to be just as easy as Windows is.  Everyone had problems with Windows at first too
[08:17] <lfernando> It is just a matter of time, anssi_... I was a heavy windows user too
[08:17] <lfernando> But now I am real adapted to ubuntu.
[08:18] <anssi_> that bugs me the most that i cant seem to get java working
[08:18] <larson9999> anssi_: takes some getting used to but it's not too painful.  at least if i go back to my early windows days i remember a lot of headscratching.  heck, earlier this year i had to reformat and setup a windows pc.  i still can't figure out how to install 2 drivers
[08:18] <larson9999> anssi_: if firefox?
[08:18] <larson9999> anssi_: in firefox?
[08:18] <farous> anssi_: do you prog in java or just need it in the browser
[08:19] <anssi_> i need it in the browser
[08:19] <lfernando> Firefox handle it fine
[08:19] <anssi_> no in konqueror..dont like firefox
[08:20] <farous> install sun-java5-plugin
[08:20] <anssi_> for some reason
[08:20] <farous> anssi_: do you know how to enable multiverse repos
[08:20] <anssi_> have tried and failed miserably
[08:20] <lfernando> so now you will make it perfect!!!
[08:21] <anssi_> i looked it from the unofficial ubuntu guide how to enable repos
[08:21] <farous> anssi_: did you try the help pages
[08:21] <farous> !repos
[08:21] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:21] <Gioacchino> hello
[08:21] <anssi_> i have also enabled them
[08:22] <Gioacchino> can you sand me this file??:     /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so.0
[08:22] <farous> anssi_: nice if multiverse is enabled you can just instlall the package
[08:23] <anssi_> it says on the konsole that java plugin is not available
[08:23] <Gioacchino> please help me
[08:23] <Gioacchino> can you sand me this file??:     /usr/lib/libwx_baseu-2.6.so.0
[08:23] <larson9999> i bought an open box computer that came with windows media center installed.  got it home and saw the cd was a burned dvd of wmc.  i went back to get a real copy figuring at some point windows would tell me it was a stolen copy and all i'd have to prove them wrong was a burned dvd :)  the store rep told me that's the practice now: to put the restore media on the hd and then have you burn it to dvd as one of the first thing you do w
[08:23] <larson9999> hen you get it home.
[08:24] <Eduardozzle> I have just installed Kubuntu dapper drake on my i386 and when I try to boot up, I get stuck at the splash screen, anyone know whats wrong? I also ctrl+alt+f1'd into the CL and tried to startx but it told me that I did not have a usable configuration for my screen
[08:24] <farous> anssi_: in a terminal type, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[08:26] <Darkkish> k guys this time i really did get wow running perfectly in wine
[08:26] <anssi_> stil not available
[08:26] <Darkkish> all you have to do is install it to a non NTFS partition
[08:26] <mray> does anybody know anything about a bug that crashes kubuntu when using 2 monitors with different resolutions?
[08:26] <anssi_> that sucks
[08:26] <larson9999> Eduardozzle: same thing happened to me when my xorg.conf file was messed up.  i edited it and it worked fine.  maybe reconfiguring xorg will work for you.  i forgot the command but i'm sure someone in here knows it
[08:26] <farous> anssi_: then you do not have the multiverse repos enabled
[08:26] <Darkkish> the only thing i have left to do is get the sound to work :)
[08:26] <farous> enzo: it need to be enabled first
[08:26] <larson9999> Darkkish: i thought you were going to buy cedaga?
[08:26] <farous> ment anssi_ sorry
[08:26] <anssi_> i have done as the guide said and enabled em
[08:27] <Arkkis> argh, I just hate that nick!!!
[08:27] <farous> anssi_: post your /etc/apt/sources.list file on the pastebin
[08:27] <farous> !pastebin
[08:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:27] <Arkkis> If only irssi would have "ignore hilights on a certain channel" option
[08:28] <Eduardozzle> larson9999: maybe it is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[08:28] <Darkkish> D4rkly: you here?
[08:28] <anssi_> how the hell do i do that?
[08:28] <larson9999> anssi_: in no time you'll be like many of us and will either uninstall windows or just log into it once in a while to update it and the AV
[08:29] <Darkkish> larson9999:  screw cedega if i can get it working in wine ;)
[08:29] <larson9999> Eduardozzle: something like that
[08:29] <enzo> farous, what are you talking about?
[08:29] <larson9999> Darkkish: i know but when i suggested you look at some sites you said you already did and sounded like you were going to take someone's advice here to use cedaga
[08:29] <farous> enzo: scroll up i said sorry ment anssi_
[08:30] <Arkkis> argh
[08:30] <Arkkis> Darkkish, see what you made me do..
[08:30] <Darkkish> hehe
[08:30] <Darkkish> >_>
[08:30] <anssi_> dont remember how to open that list on konsole
[08:30] <Darkkish> larson9999: i was but i decided to give Wine one more shot :)
[08:30] <Darkkish> larson9999: wines free :p
[08:31] <larson9999> Darkkish: that was my point :)
[08:31] <larson9999> Darkkish: it's getting better pretty quickly.  i think they spit out new versions every 3 minutes
[08:31] <Darkkish> lol
[08:31] <mray> does anybody know anything about a bug that crashes kubuntu when using 2 monitors with different resolutions?
[08:31] <anssi_> or where can i find that sources list file
[08:31] <Darkkish> larson9999:  i noticed
[08:31] <farous> anssi_: ksu kate /etc/apt/sources.list copy and paste it in the paste bin not the room
[08:32] <larson9999> Darkkish: btw if you want to use shockwave via wine use ff instead of ie.  it's much faster
[08:32] <Darkkish> larson9999: ... why would i run shockwave IN wine? can't i just run it in linux?
[08:32] <larson9999> Darkkish: for my reference, do you have the url for the site that worked for you getting wow working?
[08:33] <larson9999> Darkkish: nope.  now shockwave in linux.  unless i've missed it in my years of searching.
[08:33] <larson9999> no=now
[08:33] <Darkkish> larson9999: www.ifigureditoutonmyown.com
[08:33] <Darkkish> lol
[08:33] <Darkkish> actually no
[08:33] <Darkkish> there is one site
[08:33] <Darkkish> that helped me fix a button problem
[08:33] <enzo> oic
[08:33] <Darkkish> where you can't click on mobs or NPCs
[08:33] <larson9999> oh backwards anyway
[08:34] <Darkkish> but you can probably just google it
[08:34] <Darkkish> its the sh file
[08:34] <anssi_> how can i find the pastebin
[08:34] <larson9999> Darkkish: ok.  when i was googling for you, i found one site that looked like it would work but didn't try it
[08:34] <farous> it is a web page
[08:35] <larson9999> !pastebin
[08:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:35] <farous> !pastebin
[08:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:35] <anssi_> its the the text..what then?
[08:35] <Darkkish> wow
[08:35] <rodrigo> hello.......somebody could say me if we can install two FTP in the same computer?
[08:35] <Darkkish> IRCd for freenode REALLY needs to be update
[08:35] <Darkkish> d
[08:36] <farous> when you paste it succ. will give you a ref to webpage. give me that webpage ref
[08:37] <farous> anssi_: for your ref ubuntu-guide is old and been substituded by help.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <Darkkish> larson9999: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50414
[08:37] <Darkkish> it was the first one that worked for me
[08:37] <Darkkish> larson9999:  here: http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3149&sid=ad258914a9a2c11baf1ab86a0b7abfbe
[08:37] <Darkkish> its a fix for cedega i think but it works perfectly for wine
[08:37] <Tokeiito> hilow
[08:38] <larson9999> Darkkish: thanks.
[08:38] <anssi_> farous.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20794 is this right?
[08:38] <Darkkish> larson9999:  no problem, but that only fix a clicking issue with mobs and npc's
[08:39] <larson9999> with this new computer(speed and size) i'm going to build a doc to convince my windows friends to switch.  and installing some games will be part of it.  wow would be nice to have working.
[08:39] <farous> anssi_: yah that is right
[08:39] <Darkkish> lol
[08:39] <Darkkish> yeah no kidding
[08:39] <Darkkish> tons of people would switch over if they could get WoW workign easily
[08:39] <Darkkish> but you HAVE to install it to a FAT32 drive so you can make config changes
[08:39] <Darkkish> plus it actually has less bugs
[08:39] <Kiongku> Can i put kubuntu into hibernate mode, like in windows?
[08:40] <Darkkish> Kiongku: it has a session manager yes
[08:40] <Darkkish> but its not exactly the same as hibernate no
[08:40] <larson9999> ok time to go to the beach!
[08:40] <Darkkish> haha k see ya
[08:41] <Darkkish> zipper_: you here?
[08:41] <anssi_> i think that list is no good but i tried it anyway
[08:41] <farous> anssi_: yah you have it enabled
[08:42] <farous> are you sure you did not make spelling mistake you can use copy and paste
[08:42] <farous> !info sun-java5-plugin
[08:42] <ubotu> sun-java5-plugin: The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 1 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:42] <Kiongku> Darkkish: so no hibernate?
[08:42] <anssi_> maybe i should reinstall kubuntu and start allover...yeah i used copy + paste
[08:43] <farous> anssi_: try aptitude show sun-java5-plugin
[08:43] <farous> anssi_: it might be a prob with the repos
[08:43] <larson9999> anssi_: not that this is the answer.  but i'm curious why you'd prefer konqueror for web browsing?
[08:43] <Darkkish> Kiongku: yes there is one
[08:43] <Kiongku> Darkkish: ?
[08:43] <Darkkish> Kiongku: its for KDE in general and its called ksmserver
[08:44] <anssi_> no version was found and i did install it with automatix
[08:44] <Darkkish> Kiongku: i think its installed by default
[08:44] <farous> anssi_: ah you use automatix
[08:44] <magical_trevsky> hi, i'm trying to update ktorrent, and i grt an error 'trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data', any ideas what could be causing this?
[08:44] <farous> !automatix
[08:44] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[08:44] <Darkkish> lol
[08:44] <farous> anssi_: join automatix room
[08:45] <farous> anssi_: look at use at your won risk quote ;)
[08:45] <anssi_> heck i will install kubuntu allover again and start from there
[08:45] <Darkkish> lol
[08:45] <Darkkish> just get firefox :-O
[08:45] <Darkkish> its better
[08:45] <Darkkish> i didn't read the whole conversationb tw
[08:45] <Darkkish> so i have no idea what happened
[08:45] <Darkkish> if its a problem with java i've had thoes before
[08:46] <Darkkish> where it gets corrupted and then won't install over the older version
[08:46] <Darkkish> ar;lgkjq;el5rjg234
[08:46] <Kiongku> !ksmserver
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksmserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <Darkkish> and you have to delete a ton of files to get it to actually install
[08:46] <Kiongku> !info ksmserver
[08:46] <ubotu> ksmserver: session manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 151 kB, installed size 384 kB
[08:46] <Darkkish> hey does anyone have the ability to invite ubotu into a different channel?
[08:47] <anssi_> yeah i will do that now so i can mess it up again bye and thanks for your help
[08:48] <karppa> hi
[08:49] <Eduardozzle> whenever I try to login, I get the following message: could not start kstartupconfig: check your installation, I just reformatted and installed dapper drake
[08:53] <larson9999> i install jave from the sun site and remove the ubuntu packages.  i do the same with ooo
[08:54] <Darkkish> what is the name for this server?
[08:54] <Darkkish> like
[08:54] <Darkkish> irc.freenode.com or something
[08:55] <Darkkish> oh its .nert
[08:55] <Darkkish> .net*
[08:56] <Darkkish> ok guys
[08:56] <Darkkish> there is somethign i really need to fix
[08:56] <Darkkish> when an something should beep
[08:56] <Darkkish> why does my bios make the sound
[08:56] <Darkkish> i want it to come from my speakers!
[08:57] <grothesk> Darkkish: I think that is not possible.
[08:57] <Darkkish> no
[08:58] <Darkkish> how come it comes from my speakers in windows?
[08:58] <Darkkish> yes the same beeps that come from my speakers in windows are coming from my bios in linux
[08:58] <draik> Is anyone else having an issue with libcairo2
[08:58] <draik> ?
[08:58] <grothesk> So BIOS does make sound?
[08:59] <otaku-san> that...sounds impossible
[08:59] <Darkkish> yeah
[08:59] <Darkkish> the bios is beeping
[08:59] <Darkkish> when the speakers should be
[08:59] <grothesk> First time that I hear of a sounding BIOS in an OS.
[08:59] <Darkkish> yeah...
[08:59] <otaku-san> ok your speakers are off and you hear a beep?
[08:59] <Darkkish> yep
[09:00] <Darkkish> speakers are off
[09:00] <D4rkly> ive mounted my ntfs drive from konsole using sudo how can i open them in konq system:/media
[09:00] <Darkkish> it happens in the konsole when i hold down backspace, that kinds of things
[09:00] <otaku-san> actually I can recall hearing something like that in windoze!!!  Hehe Odd
[09:00] <grothesk> That is a console beep issued by your PCSpeaker.
[09:00] <aliasfred> Darkkish: it is the PC speaker
[09:00] <Darkkish> ok i lied about konsole
[09:00] <Darkkish> but in wine
[09:00] <Darkkish> when a program should beep
[09:00] <Darkkish> the bios does instead of my speakers
[09:01] <larson9999> ok, i'm just upgrading kde. hope i don't regret it
[09:01] <Darkkish> you won't
[09:01] <grothesk> BIOS does make no sound.
[09:01] <Darkkish> its faster :)
[09:01] <Darkkish> grothesk: my bios is still beeping
[09:01] <Darkkish> maybe i should shut that feature off in my bios
[09:01] <Eduardozzle> whenever I try to login, I get the following message: could not start kstartupconfig: check your installation, I just reformatted and installed dapper drake
[09:01] <otaku-san> what do you mean "beep"?  Like if you press the wrong keys it makes a harsh beep or what?
[09:01] <larson9999> Darkkish: i heard usb mounting has issues.
[09:01] <Darkkish> if thats possible in mine
[09:01] <grothesk> BIOS is an part of your PC with no speaker...
[09:02] <larson9999> Darkkish: this new machine is so fast i don't think i could handle anything faster
[09:02] <Darkkish> larson9999:
[09:02] <Darkkish> give me the specs in PM ;)
[09:02] <Darkkish> if you want
[09:02] <Darkkish> but mine is fairly new
[09:02] <Darkkish> and it runs considerably faster with the new kde
[09:02] <Darkkish> also it does not have USB mounting problems
[09:03] <Darkkish> i have a 40GB USB drive mounted right now
[09:03] <Darkkish> and i was running WoW off of it
[09:03] <Darkkish> and mIRC
[09:04] <K3B> hey ale i use ubuntu but so in the moment i install Debian Sarge
[09:04] <K3B> :D
[09:04] <K3B> hey all
[09:05] <soulrider> hi K3B
[09:06] <K3B> hi
[09:06] <draik> hello soulrider, hello K3B
[09:06] <ubuntu> hello all
[09:07] <draik> hello ubuntu
[09:07] <Kiongku> !prozilla
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prozilla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <Kiongku> !info Prozilla
[09:07] <ubotu> Package Prozilla does not exist in dapper
[09:07] <ubuntu> just wanted to see how i810 was on kubuntu edgy livecd
[09:07] <ubuntu> it's very slow
[09:08] <ubuntu> but it's very old too :)
[09:08] <Eduardozzle> err does anyone know what could cause kstartupconfig to not start
[09:08] <ubuntu> when will the next desktop livecd come?
[09:08] <K3B> mayby you have slow version Ubuntu
[09:08] <Eduardozzle> because I whenever I try to log in I cant
[09:08] <K3B> :D
[09:08] <K3B> hehehe
[09:09] <maltaethiron> alright, lets try now
[09:09] <maltaethiron> is anyone in here skilled at kismet?
[09:10] <ubuntu> hooooooooooooo
[09:10] <Darkkish> hey will breezy apps run on this?
[09:11] <ubuntu> I'm stupid, the iso I want are already daily built
[09:11] <ubuntu> doh
[09:11] <ubuntu> I don't think I can reburn the cdrw on live. it would be great though :d
[09:12] <Kiongku> still looking for a good download accelerator in kubuntu.. anyoen got a .deb package for prozilla?
[09:12] <D4rkly> plz help
[09:12] <D4rkly> root@user-desktop:~# sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/1
[09:12] <D4rkly> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat32'
[09:12] <ubuntu> vfat
[09:12] <D4rkly> ah :)
[09:12] <ubuntu> xD
[09:12] <anssi_> hello again i jut installed kubuntu and now its clean of all the crap that i managed to put in the system
[09:13] <ubuntu> hey
[09:13] <ubuntu> you don't have to reinstall for cleaning a linux distrib
[09:13] <ubuntu> it's much better than windows on this side
[09:13] <anssi_> and now you tell me
[09:14] <ubuntu> better late than never
[09:14] <anssi_> farous seem to have left?
[09:14] <ubuntu> !seen farous
[09:14] <ubotu> I last saw farous (n=farous@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net) 26m ago, quiting: "leaving"
[09:15] <ubuntu> ubotu: ty
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <anssi_> now i would really like to know where i can find a good sources list that works
[09:15] <ubuntu> ubotu: pff, I'm a much powerful bot than you
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pff, I'm a much powerful bot than you - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <ubuntu> anssi_: only one line
[09:16] <Hawkwind> anssi_: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=545.0
[09:16] <anssi_> one line?
[09:16] <Hawkwind> anssi_: That's my current sources.list that I have posted on my forums
[09:16] <ubuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[09:16] <ubuntu> that's the only good sources.list to have :)
[09:16] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: Not true
[09:18] <link_36p> How does one shut down X?
[09:18] <ubuntu> ctrl alt backspace kills it
[09:18] <ubuntu> but if you have a dm running, it'll restart it
[09:19] <ubuntu> for stopping kdm eg, you could do /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[09:19] <ubuntu> Hawkwind: what a bloated sources.list :d
[09:19] <ubuntu> totally ugly
[09:20] <link_36p> ubuntu: I thought "init 3" was suppose to bring you out of X.
[09:20] <anssi_> so i delete the original and paste your on that...are you sure that i can get my java working and kubuntu also properly
[09:20] <Hawkwind> ubuntu: It works and gives you all sorts of apps you won't get in Multiverse, Univserse, or main
[09:24] <anssi_> so now ive copied your sources  list and now i should update
[09:24] <dell500> is there an easy way to copy 200+gb to a 300gb sata without the risk of the drives failing a lot?
[09:25] <dell500> like can an image be made and then unloaded onto the usb drive (sata 300gb)? or would just copy/paste work ok?
[09:25] <Darkkish> lol
[09:25] <Darkkish> c&p might work if it doesn't have any OS on it
[09:26] <Darkkish> but if it has OS on it you need to use an image
[09:26] <SeicherBoB> Hi there! I just read trough the XineramaHowTo but it only tells howto do dualhead-displays on nvidia/ati. anybody ever did it on intel onboard?
[09:26] <anssi_> where did hawkwind go?
[09:27] <Darkkish> lol
[09:27] <anssi_> lol
[09:27] <D4rkly> if i run wine cfg i get the following
[09:27] <D4rkly> Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
[09:27] <D4rkly> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[09:27] <Gh0st75> evenin folks
[09:28] <D4rkly> what should $DISPLAY be set to in order to get winecfg working ?
[09:28] <anssi_> inow im upgrading my system according to hawkwinds sources list...hope it works
[09:29] <D4rkly> anyone got ati tv wonder working ?
[09:30] <D4rkly> how do i check $DISPLAY
[09:30] <D4rkly> and see its value
[09:31] <anssi_> if that java crap wont install to my computer after that i will trow my kubuntu cd to trashbin
[09:31] <Gh0st75> have hope anssi, i finally got it working
[09:31] <anssi_> tell me how please
[09:32] <Gh0st75> had to reinstall a couple times, first time i got java working but at the expense of my sound
[09:32] <anssi_> i need java cause il like playing games on the net
[09:32] <Darkkish> lol
[09:32] <Darkkish> uninstall it via adept?
[09:33] <Darkkish> and then reinstall it?
[09:33] <anssi_> lol
[09:33] <Gh0st75> long as you have the multiverse repositories installed, you can just type sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[09:33] <Kiongku> if i install something with make install.. is it easy to remove it completely from the system?
[09:33] <anssi_> everytime i say something lol?
[09:33] <Gh0st75> when i tried via adept, it cause me to lose my sound
[09:33] <Darkkish> idk Kiongku
[09:33] <Gh0st75> so i used konsole the second time around
[09:33] <Gh0st75> worked fine
[09:33] <Darkkish> in firefox
[09:33] <Darkkish> when i use the find command
[09:34] <Darkkish> and hit backspace when there is no text
[09:34] <Darkkish> the bios beeps
[09:34] <Darkkish> not my speakers
[09:34] <anssi_> i will see if that works for me not the last time  itried it
[09:34] <SeicherBoB> anybody here experienced with dualhead on intel graphics??
[09:35] <anssi_> i had multiverses enabled
[09:37] <Darkkish> file:///media/PORTABLE/Mirc/KirbyScript_EDITOR/ircintro.gid
[09:37] <Darkkish> file:///media/PORTABLE/Mirc/KirbyScript_EDITOR/ircintro.hlp
[09:37] <Darkkish> file:///media/PORTABLE/Mirc/KirbyScript_EDITOR/mIRC.exe
[09:37] <Darkkish> file:///media/PORTABLE/Mirc/KirbyScript_EDITOR/mirc.gid
[09:37] <Darkkish> file:///media/PORTABLE/Mirc/KirbyScript_EDITOR/mirc.hlp
[09:37] <Darkkish> oops
[09:37] <Darkkish> :0.0
[09:37] <Darkkish> darkly
[09:37] <anssi_> problems....problems
[09:37] <Darkkish> my display is set to ":0.0"
[09:37] <Darkkish> idk how to alter it
[09:37] <anssi_> how to you speak to someone directly
[09:38] <Darkkish> /query <name>
[09:38] <Darkkish> but you have to be registeredc...
[09:39] <anssi_> blaaaaaah..im bored..updating my system...
[09:40] <anssi_> hey hawkwind
[09:40] <z00m> need some help with resetting my iptables, i installed a firewall over  the top of firestarter and now im having problems connecting to my wifi, the other firewall was bulldog
[09:41] <z00m> i think that is what the problem is
[09:41] <Gh0st75> anssi_: if you have the multiverse repositories enabled, just bring up Konsole and try that command i posted, then when that's installed, just go to Konqueror and check Tools -> HTML Settings, and click Java
[09:41] <Kiongku> yay prob with make install solved.. Using checkinstall can install any sources as deb package.. easy to maintain with package manager =))
[09:42] <rafael_> hi everyone
[09:42] <Eduardozzle> hay guys
[09:42] <Gh0st75> then all you have to do is go to Settings -> Configure Konqueror, and under Java settings, set the path to where java got installed, it should have listed the path in Konsole after the install
[09:42] <anssi_> ghost where did you post it?
[09:42] <rafael_> how i did to install a plugin of xmms?
[09:42] <Gh0st75> sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[09:42] <rafael_> i download a plugin for xmms
[09:43] <Gh0st75> that's what worked for me anyhoo, might not be the "official method"
[09:43] <rafael_> and i dont know the command line for install this plugin
[09:43] <anssi_> i try after it has finished updating my system
[09:43] <SeicherBoB> anybody here experienced with dualhead on intel graphics??
[09:44] <Gh0st75> i've finally got just about everything i need working under Kubuntu
[09:44] <z00m> can anyone help me out with how to reset my iptables firewall settings, because its all gone messed up with my wifi, plus i have active connection running on port 5635 source 127.0.0.1 host 127.0.0.1
[09:44] <rafael_> i download a plugin for xmms to alter your visual
[09:44] <rafael_> but i dont know the command line for install this plugin
[09:44] <z00m> strange that is, i dont know what the service is, whats the netstat command with grep
[09:44] <rafael_> someone help me?
[09:44] <anssi_> it still says not available
[09:45] <rafael_> i have a new plugin for xmms
[09:45] <anssi_> another package is similar to it or something hard to translate finnish to english
[09:46] <rafael_> but i dont know how to install it
[09:46] <Darkkish> i kinda figured out how to fix the bios problem
[09:46] <Darkkish> you have to turn "system bell" off
[09:46] <Darkkish> well
[09:46] <Darkkish> actually you have to leave it on
[09:46] <Darkkish> and turn the volume all the way down
[09:46] <z00m> iptables --flush is that a good option ?
[09:46] <gg_> hi, can someone tell me, which package I have to enable to get SKYPE?  thanx (beginner)
[09:46] <Darkkish> !systembell
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about systembell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <Darkkish> !bios
[09:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:47] <Darkkish> >_>
[09:47] <z00m> will i be able to set them up again after!
[09:47] <Darkkish> gg_: can you find a skype repository?
[09:47] <anssi_> where can i find a working sources list that will allow mw to install everything i need tried hawkwinds and it wont let me install java
[09:48] <anssi_> i think i will go crazy with this
[09:48] <Gh0st75> the command line didn't work in Konsole?
[09:48] <gg_> darkkish I dont know what you mean? ... I enabled three source-list few moments ago but it isnt enough ... cant find skype in ADEPT MANAGER
[09:49] <anssi_> no it said not available
[09:49] <anssi_> and something else is similar to that
[09:49] <Gh0st75> it said that for me too until i enabled the universe repositories and edited them to read multiverse as well
[09:50] <Gh0st75> you're sure the multiverse are enabled? you can play mp3s and such ok?
[09:50] <anssi_> translating is hard because my console is in finnish
[09:50] <Gh0st75> easier than me trying to translate to finnish
[09:51] <Gh0st75> beyond not having the right repositories, i dunno what else to suggest, i'm new as well, just have my own couple experiences with tryin to get java working
[09:51] <draik> !ffmpeg
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ffmpeg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <anssi_> dont know about that
[09:52] <Darkkish> how can i get support for mouse button 4 and 5?
[09:52] <anssi_> i need a working sources list
[09:52] <rafael_> hi everyone
[09:52] <draik> anyone here know how to use ffmpeg?
 I dont know what you mean? ... I enabled three source-list few moments ago but it isnt enough ... cant find skype in ADEPT MANAGER
[09:53] <rafael_> im new here and i have a small problem
[09:53] <rafael_> i download a new plugin for xmms
[09:53] <anssi_> i used hawkwinds
[09:53] <rafael_> to alter your apparence
[09:53] <anssi_> aaaaaaaaaargh
[09:53] <rafael_> but i dont know how to install it
[09:54] <anssi_> i must go for a smoke
[09:54] <anssi_> im pissed
[09:54] <nagyv> Hello! Does anyone know with which protocols can I voicechat using Kopete?
[09:55] <Kiongku> anybody using prozilla here?
[09:56] <anssi_> so how can i restore my system to where it was when i installed it?
[09:57] <Darkkish> anssi_: format
[09:57] <Darkkish> :p
[09:58] <anssi_> in console?
[09:58] <anssi_> i type just format?
[09:58] <Hawkwind> anssi_: No
[09:58] <anssi_> are you sure
[09:58] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Did you make backups at all ?
[09:58] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Format is a Windows thing
[09:59] <anssi_> that idiot darkkish tries to mess with me isee
[09:59] <anssi_> "so how can i restore my system to where it was when i installed it?"
[10:00] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Did you make backups at all ?
[10:00] <anssi_> what bacups
[10:00] <Hawkwind> anssi_: A good admin will make daily backups of the entire system
[10:00] <Darkkish> anssi_:  no don't do format >_>
[10:00] <Darkkish> i didn't mean that
[10:00] <Gh0st75> i should do some backups as well, seeing as how i finally have everything working....til i screw it all up again, lol
[10:01] <Gh0st75> Keep will let me backup the entire system?
[10:01] <anssi_> hawkwind it works fine but the java is still theproblem it wont let me install it i tried your sources list
[10:01] <Gh0st75> i keep all my data on a fat32 drive, just want to backup the Kubuntu OS and settings
[10:02] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Have you followed the how-to ?  It works for everyone in here that has used it just about
[10:02] <anssi_> maybe i try it again
[10:02] <Eduardozzle> when I try to log into kubuntu via kdm, I get the following error: could not start kstartupconfig check your installation. how to fix this?
[10:04] <Gh0st75> goin to supper there now, will be back to pick brains about backups after i eat :)
[10:04] <mray> does anybody know anything about a bug that crashes kubuntu when using 2 monitors with different resolutions?
[10:05] <Darkkish> nope
[10:05] <Darkkish> now WoW is dying at random >_>
[10:05] <anssi_> i will install kubuntu again and again start from beginning
[10:05] <Top_GEAR> mray: No Problem, screen 1 1280x1024, screen 2 800x600
[10:05] <mray> strange-
[10:05] <mray> i re-installed kubuntu about 10 times (no joke)
[10:06] <mray> i tested any combination or reasons why it could be my fault.
[10:06] <Hawkwind> mray: You have ATI/Nvidia drivers installed correctly I assume ?
[10:06] <mray> but it refuses to start KDE (or X?) after setting dual screen mode.
[10:06] <anssi_> or maybe i wont this thing is really starting to piss me off
[10:06] <Hawkwind> mray: Are you sure you have your xorg.conf set correctly ?
[10:07] <mray> i installed nvidia drivers - but it also happens if i use the pre installed drivers
[10:07] <mray> yes. i don't screw with xorg.conf. (at least i didn't in the first 7 tries)
[10:07] <Darkkish> lol
[10:07] <pierluigi> sera
[10:07] <Hawkwind> mray: Maybe that's why.  I'd make sure your xorg.conf was correct as that can and will cause problems
[10:08] <Darkkish> yeah
[10:08] <Darkkish> definitly
[10:08] <Darkkish> i had that problem
[10:08] <Darkkish> i had to fix some stuff in Xorg just to get one moniter to boot
[10:08] <Top_GEAR> mray: And please make a backup of your xorg.conf to avoid reinstalls
[10:08] <mray> then i tried to reconfigure with some dpkg ...... commandline - it invoked a series of questions - then i could start kubuntu again at least
[10:08] <Darkkish> well... someone fixed it for me :)
[10:08] <Darkkish> yeah mray that didn't work for me
[10:08] <Darkkish> i had to edit it by hand
[10:08] <Z_God> I'm running Kubuntu Edgy Eft, but I can't paste URLs in Konqueror, is there a setting to enable this?
[10:08] <mray> i don't know how to edit it.
[10:08] <mray> :P
[10:09] <Darkkish> edgy eft?
[10:09] <nagyv> Hello! Does anyone know with which protocols can I voicechat using Kopete?
[10:09] <Z_God> the current testing version
[10:09] <rouge8> I have a Canon Powershot a620 and for whatever reason, I'm unable to copy the pictures off of it to my PC
[10:09] <SeicherBoB> if i want to check my xorg.conf, is it enough to startx from console, check it and shut it down again or do i have to force a config-reload?
[10:09] <Hawkwind> mray: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/52
[10:09] <rouge8> I would simply use the SD card reader in my PC, but that doesn't work either >.>
[10:09] <aliasfred> nagyv: if you dont got your answer here, you may try #kopete
[10:09] <Hawkwind> mray: That's my xorg.conf though I'm using 2 monitors with the same resolution on both
[10:09] <Hawkwind> mray: kdesu kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:10] <Kiongku> why do ppl use 2 monitor?
[10:10] <Hawkwind> mray: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor of choice
[10:10] <Darkkish> rouge8:  i have no idea if thats a linux problem but it doesn't sound like a camera problem, it sounds like a peripheral problem
[10:10] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Because it gives you a lot more space :P
[10:10] <Kiongku> Hawkwind:e.g?..
[10:10] <rouge8> aye, the camera works fine on my parent's windows PC
[10:10] <anssi_> no i wont install this again i try to get this working and if i cant get this working yhen i will switch back to windows for good
[10:10] <mray> Hawkwind, thanks. but do you think that it is a good idea to just copy others configurations?
[10:10] <Darkkish> rouge8: is the drive mounting?
[10:10] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=27
[10:10] <Eduardozzle> how do you figure out what usergroup a user belongs to?
[10:10] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pos=20
[10:11] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Those are just two of my screenshots
[10:11] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: hmm looking
[10:11] <Hawkwind> mray: I copied mine from someone else.  But it needed a bit of editing such as resolution size for the monitors and refresh rates
[10:11] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: I can watch a movie full screen on one monitor, and do work on the second.  Lots more room when you have more than one monitor
[10:12] <rouge8> Darkkish: the camera mounts, but in konqueror has a single folder: Canon Powershot A620 (PTP mode)
[10:12] <rouge8> when I open the folder, it brings me to another folder with the same name
[10:12] <SeicherBoB> Hawkwind: i'd like to get a dualhead running, but it keeps cloning. can you post your xorg.conf somewhere?
[10:13] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: basically 2 desktops on 2 separate screens?
[10:13] <Hawkwind> SeicherBoB: Scroll up, I just did with the pastebin link
[10:13] <Hawkwind> SeicherBoB:  http://pastebin.ulteo.us/52
[10:13] <Eduardozzle> how do you figure out what usergroup a user belongs to?
[10:13] <Hawkwind> SeicherBoB: I use Nvidia incase you don't
[10:14] <SeicherBoB> Hawkwind: thanks! well, i use intel onboard shitty stuff, but .... we'll see ;)
[10:14] <mray> Hawkwind, do you have any idea what entry exactly is the thing that causes my trouble? because i feel really bad about having another config (and possible resulting problems :( )
[10:14] <SeicherBoB> Hawkwind: dont panic, i dont wanna copy the whole... just the essential lines
[10:14] <Kiongku> Eduardozzle: users and Groups in system settings?
[10:14] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: No.  It's one large desktop that is 2048x768 instead of 1024x768.  My window manager allows me to have two 'shelves'.  Shelves are equivalent to the kicker in KDE
[10:14] <Hawkwind> SeicherBoB: Heh I wasn't panicing.  Just wanted to let you know incase you were using ATI.
[10:15] <Eduardozzle> Kiongku: there is no kuser util
[10:15] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: i see.. anyway no space for 2 huge screens here XD.. and it eats power o0
[10:15] <Hawkwind> SeicherBoB: You can have the whole thing.  I copied mine from a friend.  All I changed was resolution and that is it
[10:15] <SeicherBoB> Hawkwind: there are howtos for both... i use intel so i'm fu**ed
[10:15] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: It eats very little power
[10:15] <Jazon> hi guys
[10:15] <Kiongku> !info kuser
[10:15] <ubotu> kuser: KDE user/group administration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 225 kB, installed size 788 kB
[10:15] <Jazon> could you tell me what driver dapper uses for the intel i-915 graphics card?
[10:16] <Hawkwind> mray: No idea.  I've never dealt with 2 different resolutions before
[10:16] <Eduardozzle> Kiongku: scratch that thanks
[10:16] <Eduardozzle> Kiongku: I got it now
[10:16] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: I actually have room for 4 monitors on my desk.  I'm thinking of going up to a 3rd one very soon
[10:16] <Kiongku> Eduardozzle: installed kuser?
[10:17] <Jazon> Hawkwind: is it difficult to set up multiple monitors?
[10:17] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: OMG.. screens populate ur desk.. what size are they?
[10:17] <SeicherBoB> Hawkwind: damn... cant use yours cause u got "twinview"....
[10:17] <Jazon> Hawkwind: and is there a gui for doing it, or is it still old school?
[10:17] <anssi_> hawkwind i started to do that sourceslist thing allover as you have told there i missed one point totally
[10:17] <Eduardozzle> Kiongku: apt-get install kuser: no package
[10:17] <Hawkwind> Jazon: Not if you use Nvidia.  It took me all of 5 minutes at the most
[10:17] <SeicherBoB> Jazon: if you got yours running, tell me howto ;)
[10:17] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: 17" but I have a HUGE L shaped desk
[10:17] <Jazon> Hawkwind: i have the i-915 in my lappy
[10:17] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: @_@... i have only one 17" in front of me XD
[10:18] <Hawkwind> Jazon: I had a friends xorg.conf file.  Put it in place, booted the system and Voila, twinview worked
[10:18] <Kiongku> Eduardozzle: did u enable all repositories?
[10:18] <SeicherBoB> Kiongku: i got 21" CRT and 19" LCD... and its still not enough
[10:18] <Jazon> Hawkwind: omg, thats awesome
[10:18] <Jazon> lol
[10:18] <anssi_> i would really like to have a 21" monitor
[10:18] <Jazon> maybe i should ask google if he could do that for me :P
[10:18] <Kiongku> SiecherBoB: well .. lucky guys..
[10:18] <SeicherBoB> ;)
[10:19] <Eduardozzle> Kiongku: hmm let me see if there are any to enable
[10:19] <SeicherBoB> well, anyone ever configurated twinview on an intel graphics?
[10:19] <Jazon> oh, by the way guys.... this has GOT to be the GEEKEST screensaver ever!!! check it out - its great!  http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29207
[10:19] <Kiongku> i consider additional monitor as too much.. need to upgrade my cpu first XD
[10:20] <anssi_> n otime for nonsense
[10:20] <Kiongku> whats the definition of geek
[10:21] <SeicherBoB> Kiongku: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/
[10:21] <SeicherBoB> Kiongku: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/G/geek.html
[10:21] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44331
[10:21] <nixternal> enjoy ;)
[10:22] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Nice work
[10:23] <nixternal> hehe thanks...that is pretty much a first run there with inkscape ;)   im sure someone can doctor them up and make them look great
[10:23] <Kiongku> SeicherBob: haha lol..
[10:23] <Hawkwind> nixternal: Heh not me.  I can't draw a straight line with 2 rulers side by side :P
[10:24] <nixternal> me either, i just got lucky with that truthfully
[10:24] <Jazon> SeicherBoB: yahoo!  man i810
[10:24] <nixternal> im actually quite horrible when it comes to graphic stuff..i can do super simple and simple, if it is easy, i can't do it ;)
[10:24] <Wendelin> During a deinstallation I had to shut down adept forcefully. Since I am only to browse the repository. What can I do?
[10:24] <Kiongku> nixternal: whats SVG?
[10:25] <ubuntu__> i'm trying to reinstall grub on my notebook. Windows is on /dev/sda2, and kubuntu installed on sda3, but i can't get grub to reinstall through chroot/grub-install, can some1 help me?
[10:25] <nixternal> scalable vector graphics
[10:25] <nixternal> you have to use inkscape or adobe illustrator...inkscape you just              sudo apt-get install inkscape
[10:25] <Kiongku> nixternal: and what do i use it for :P?
[10:25] <nagyv> Hello! Does anyone know with which protocols can I voicechat using Kopete?
[10:25] <nixternal> http://www.inkscape.org/
[10:26] <maltaethiron> who can tell me how to delete a file owned by root via konsole?
[10:26] <nixternal> creating graphics you can scale to any size, and they wont distort and get ugly
[10:26] <Kiongku> Wendelin: what u mean browse repository?
[10:26] <nixternal> sudo rm file
[10:26] <nixternal> maltaethiron: ^^
[10:26] <maltaethiron> ty nixternal
[10:26] <nixternal> np
[10:26] <SeicherBoB> ok lets try reboot with that config
[10:26] <Kiongku> maltaethiron:sudo rm -r /file/location
[10:26] <Kiongku> oops sorry the -r is for directories XD
[10:26] <Kiongku> sorry sorry
[10:27] <Jazon> Search4Lancer: ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] 
[10:27] <Jazon> SeicherBoB: let me know!
[10:27] <karampudi> hai
[10:27] <Wendelin> Kiongku: Well, just looking at the packet from last successfull run.
[10:27] <Kiongku> nye
[10:27] <karampudi> any one can  help me how to join a group in irc
[10:28] <Kiongku> Wendelin: U mean.. adept manager does not open.. sorry i cant really undertsand ur problem
[10:28] <sree_> hi
[10:28] <Kiongku> Wendelin: explain ur problem clearly.
[10:29] <maltaethiron> nixternal: i type "sudo rm /gh" or "sudo rm -r /gh" and it says  "No such file or directory", which there deffinately is
[10:29] <nixternal> maltaethiron: sudo rm -rf /gh
[10:29] <nixternal> you are removing a directory, not a file
[10:30] <nixternal> wait
[10:30] <nixternal> don't use the /
[10:30] <nixternal> sudo rm -r gh
[10:30] <maltaethiron> it worked
[10:30] <maltaethiron> its gone
[10:30] <nixternal> if gh is a file and not a directory
[10:30] <maltaethiron> actually
[10:30] <Wendelin> Kiongku: Whenever I start adept, I get a message, there was another process of adept or some other programme using apt and therefore adept uses the readonly mode.
[10:30] <nixternal> hehe
[10:30] <nixternal> kool
[10:30] <maltaethiron> it might have worked before, but i didnt reload konqueror
[10:31] <Kiongku> Wendelin: Restart ur pc. And then see if its still wrong
[10:31] <maltaethiron> didnt hawkwind say dont restart?
[10:31] <maltaethiron> he said that restarting won't do anything in linux
[10:32] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: its some blocked processes
[10:32] <maltaethiron> ah
[10:32] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: restarting might purge the memory and let it work again as normal. Well its better trying than nothing. Dunt know a lot about this
[10:33] <Wendelin> Kiongku: I did so twice or so, but that did not work out. I suspect, that there some is still a lock file which should be deleted after a sucessful application.
[10:33] <Kiongku> Wendelin: ok. i'll try to look into it
[10:34] <Kiongku> Wendelin: btw what file uninstall went wrong?
[10:36] <derekS> i am have a filesystem error on my kubuntu box, when i do an ls -lh folder | less, it shows total 716M files
[10:36] <derekS> but there are reall only 40k
[10:36] <Wendelin> dpkg failed to remove ispell. I was asked which german spelling I prefer, but was not able to any selection.
[10:36] <derekS> how can i fix that
[10:37] <maltaethiron> is there anyone in here that's skilled with kismet?
[10:37] <nagyv> where could I find a kde backport? I would like to install kopete 0.12
[10:37] <SeicherBoB> sorry, my kismet was rather bad the last weeks ;) (sorry for that)
[10:37] <Kiongku> Wendelin: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=149438 did u try this?
[10:37] <trovador51> can some1 help me fix grub?
[10:38] <Kiongku> trovador51: what happened to grub?
[10:38] <trovador51> i need to reinstall it to the MBR, my root is /dev/sda3 (hd0,2)
[10:39] <Kiongku> trovador51: lol u deleted it?
[10:39] <trovador51> chroot and grub-install says device not found
[10:39] <trovador51> no, just installed windows over it..
[10:39] <plhardy_> grub-install (hd0) ?
[10:39] <Kiongku> trovador51: ah
[10:40] <dima_> 1
[10:41] <Kiongku> trovador51: sorry.. i dunt know the details for grub.. if i mess up i have my custom kernel image to fix it ._.
[10:42] <trovador51> plhardy_: i get /dev/sda3: Not found or not a block device.
[10:42] <plhardy_> trovador51: grub-install (hd0) doesn't help ?
[10:42] <chab> trovador51: grub-install /dev/sda is probably what you're looking for
[10:43] <Jazon> how the hell do i see how much memory is being allocated to this i-915 vid card?
[10:43] <trovador51> chab: same thing.."/dev/sda: Not found or not a block device."
[10:43] <Kiongku> btw sda isn't it the code for a removable hdd?
[10:44] <chab> trovador51: did you mount + chroot ?
[10:44] <Kiongku> is it even mounted?
[10:44] <plhardy_> this because of you chroot
[10:44] <Wendelin> Kiongku: Ok, the dpkg --configure -a worked. Thanks for the link.
[10:44] <plhardy_> s/you/your
[10:44] <Kiongku> Wendelin: np. Ur welcome. next time try a few simple searches.. =)
[10:44] <chab> Kiongku: no, sd* =scsi/sata/usb..
[10:44] <Jazon> SeicherBoB: did that i810 configuration work out for you/
[10:44] <nagyv> where could I find a kde backport? I would like to install kopete 0.12
[10:44] <Kiongku> chab: ah.. dunt have sata
[10:45] <plhardy_> trovador51: why do you need to chroot, you are not on the install weehere /dev/sda3 is root ?
[10:45] <trovador51> I'm running though a kubuntu livecd
[10:45] <dima_> Anyone could suggest a working backup/restore method?
[10:46] <Kiongku> dima_: keep not good?
[10:46] <farous> dima_: i use rsync no glitches here
[10:46] <trovador51> plhardy_: is there a way to boot into /dev/sda3 from the kubuntu livecd grub menu?
[10:46] <farous> !backup
[10:46] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[10:46] <plhardy_> when you chroot what do you see while doing ls /dev/sd*
[10:46] <anssi_> now im back to the basics again
[10:46] <dima_> wow
[10:46] <farous> but you can check any of ubotu links
[10:46] <dima_> thanks a lot
[10:46] <chab> trovador51: mount your hdds properly, then chroot, then grub-install /dev/sda, then exit, unmount, reboot.
[10:46] <farous> :)
[10:47] <Jazon> ubotu: how about freezing your system, preventing you from doing silly things like enabling experimental drivers and the like??? :P
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how about freezing your system, preventing you from doing silly things like enabling experimental drivers and the like??? :P - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <Jazon> ubotu: j/k of course.... i know how to do that
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about j/k of course.... i know how to do that - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <trovador51> plhardy_: i've mounted sda3: "mount /dev/sda3 /disk" and chrooted: "chroot /disk"
[10:47] <Jazon> hehe
[10:48] <anssi_> hawkwind can you put that link again
[10:48] <Jazon> smart, but not that smart..... ;)
[10:48] <trovador51> plhardy_: ls /dev/sd* gives me no files..
[10:48] <plhardy_> trovador51: and what gvies ls /dev/sda3  under chrooted env ?
[10:49] <Hawkwind> anssi_: What link ?
[10:49] <trovador51> plhardy_: nothing, those devices don't appear
[10:49] <anssi_> your repository list link
[10:49] <Hawkwind> anssi_: http://LinuxForDummies.org/ then look in the Kubuntu How-To's section
[10:49] <trovador51> is there a special way i should mount it?
[10:50] <kdotsky> would anyone be able to help me get a usb wirless stick working?  having a tough time with it
[10:50] <chab> trovador51: what did you mount anyway? / ?
[10:50] <plhardy_> trovador51: you will need to create a a block device for it untder your chrooted env
[10:51] <anssi_> thanks hawkwind
[10:51] <anssi_> so i do as it says in that order
[10:51] <trovador51> chab: i mounted my root linux partition on /disk
[10:52] <apallo19> is there a batch file equivalent for linux?3
[10:52] <trovador51> plhardy_: how would i go that?
[10:52] <chab> trovador51: and what for? don't you have a /boot with grub on it?
[10:52] <plhardy_> trovador51: under you not chrooted env ls -l /dev/sda3 then crete same entry with a mknod
[10:53] <trovador51> chab: i've booted into my live cd, not into mi linux, is there a way to boot into my linux from the livecd menus?
[10:54] <plhardy_> trovador51: yes
[10:55] <kdotsky>  is there any reason a usb wireless drive would be any different to setup in kubuntu?
[10:55] <kdotsky> using ndiswrapper
[10:56] <plhardy_> trovador51: you go to grub command line at start normaly with a 'c' command then enter root (hd0,2) kernel = ... initrd=... boot...
[10:57] <kirikou> thx, for help
[10:57] <Kiongku> farous: how do u use rsync for backup?
[10:57] <trovador51> plhardy_: i'll try that first..
[10:57] <trovador51> thx
[10:57] <Darkkish> should i use the official ubuntu wine
[10:58] <plhardy_> trovador52: well you need to known what to put behing kernel... and intird..
[10:58] <plhardy_> trovador51:
[10:58] <ids> does anyone know if there is already a good driver for g15 for linux
[10:58] <farous> Kiongku: i sync whatever i want to a remote sys then restore it by resync it again :)
[10:59] <qbert> how do i do a full upgrade from breezy to dapper, in my manage repositories the distro all says breezy ?
[10:59] <ids> well find de dapper and change it
[10:59] <ids> from breezy to dapper
[11:00] <Kiongku> farous: ah need net -_-
[11:00] <ids> does anyone know if there is already a good driver for g15 for linux
[11:00] <farous> Kiongku: here is an ex. rsync -avzog /home/amrnet/ -e ssh user@home:/BackUp/notebookibm/amrnet/
[11:01] <farous> Kiongku: you can do it locally
[11:01] <Kiongku> farous: oh
[11:01] <farous> Kiongku: i prefer remote sys as matter of safety :)
[11:01] <Kiongku> farous: hehe
[11:01] <Kiongku> ids: g15?
[11:02] <anssi_> klongku sounds finnish
[11:02] <Kiongku> anssi_: u mean me o0?
[11:02] <ids> you know logitech g15 keyboard
[11:02] <anssi_> yeah
[11:02] <crazy_penguin> Good night and sleep well everyone! :)
[11:02] <ids> lata
[11:02] <Kiongku> ids: ah.
[11:03] <qbert> ids, i have /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/debtags/sources.list , do i change both of those from breezy to dapper ?
[11:03] <ids> qubert wait i'll check
[11:03] <TheInfinity> hiho
[11:03] <anssi_> klonkku is finnish name for that thing on the lord of the rings that calls that ring my precious
[11:03] <Kiongku> ids: u'll have to modify xorg.conf i think
[11:04] <ids> ok thanks
[11:04] <TheInfinity> ... is there a KDE GUI fr PPPoE?
[11:04] <Kiongku> anssi_: lol Anyway i'm far from beign a finnish
[11:04] <anssi_> thats why i thought that you were
[11:04] <Kiongku> anssi_: i'm a chinese XD
[11:05] <anssi_> lol
[11:05] <anssi_> chinese named klonkku lol
[11:05] <nagyv> hello! is here anyone using KDE 3.5.4? is it safe to upgrade?
[11:05] <ids> qbert i can give you the dapper lines if you wanty
[11:05] <Kiongku> its Kiongku -_-... not KLONGKU
[11:05] <anssi_> nothing personal
[11:06] <Kiongku> anssi_: nvm
[11:06] <qbert> ids please
[11:06] <ids> kee wait a sec
[11:06] <ids> wait you have kubuntu right
[11:06] <qbert> yes
[11:06] <ids> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[11:07] <ids> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[11:07] <ids> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe
[11:07] <ids> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe
[11:07] <ids> thats for securety
[11:07] <anssi_> you made my day never lauhghed so much than roght now when i think of that movie lol
[11:07] <TheHighChild> nagyv: I've upgraded but had some issues.
[11:07] <anssi_> right now
[11:07] <ids> i also have the others but you have to change them because there dutch
[11:07] <nagyv> TheHighChild: could you explain it a bit?
[11:08] <ids> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:08] <ids> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[11:08] <ids> but there dutch so you'll have to change the nl
[11:09] <ids> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[11:09] <ids> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[11:09] <ids> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[11:09] <ids> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[11:09] <TheHighChild> nagyv: Well, my konqueror profiles got all messed up. I still haven't fixed it because 1: I don't know how and 2: I don't use konqueror much. That's all I can think of off hand though.
[11:09] <ids> and last
[11:09] <ids> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[11:09] <ids> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[11:09] <qbert> what about the first line, it says cdrom:[Kubuntu ] /breezy main restricted, change that top line to dapper ?
[11:09] <TheHighChild> ids can you pastebin this stuff so it doesn't flood the channel?
[11:10] <qbert> ids got em thx :)
[11:10] <ids> ok but there dutch you know
[11:10] <aliasfred> !pastebin
[11:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:10] <ids> so you'll have to change NL to your own language
[11:10] <SeicherlBoB> hi there! anybody knowing how i can find out the BusIDs i need in xorg.conf?
[11:11] <Kiongku> ids: btw .. its the buttons on ur g15 that are dead?
[11:11] <markrian> SeicherlBoB, lspci
[11:11] <aliasfred> SeicherlBoB: out of the blue i would say 'lspci'
[11:11] <SeicherlBoB> thx. gonna try that
[11:11] <nagyv> TheHighChild: so if I backup my /etc and ~/.* then it seems to be safe. good news, thx! :)
[11:11] <TheHighChild> nagyv: yeah, def backup at lease ~/.kde
[11:11] <TheHighChild> least
[11:13] <SeicherlBoB> ok. whats the difference between "VGA compatible controller" and "Display controller"
[11:13] <unix_infidel> is there a kde-base package available in the repos?
[11:13] <Hawkwind> unix_infidel: kdebase of course
[11:13] <unix_infidel> or is it split up into multiple packages like debian?
[11:13] <Hawkwind> kdebase, just like every other distro out there
[11:14] <Hawkwind> !info kdebase
[11:14] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 38 kB, installed size 76 kB
[11:14] <ids> does anyone has any cool programs to try out
[11:15] <Daskreech_> ids: define cool
[11:15] <anssi_> bye for now everuone
[11:15] <Daskreech_> krecipe? L)
[11:15] <SeicherlBoB> bye
[11:15] <Daskreech_> anssi_: Bye
[11:15] <SeicherlBoB> just did lspci: whats the difference between "VGA compatible controller" and "Display controller"
[11:15] <ids> i think like cool looking and to try out
[11:15] <trovador51> plhardy_: no luck, how exactly would i boot into /dev/sda3 from the livecd grub menu?
[11:16] <ids> Daskreech: good enough
[11:16] <aliasfred> ids, amarok is a cool audio player :)
[11:16] <ids> i am using right now
[11:16] <Jazon> ids:  kxdocker
[11:16] <aliasfred> oh i know
[11:16] <Jazon> ids: thats a real cool app
[11:16] <aliasfred> ids, install xgl, it is has cool as it can get :)
[11:16] <SeicherlBoB> anybody running a dualhead system here?!
[11:16] <aliasfred> Jazon: does it is ?
[11:17] <aliasfred> SeicherlBoB: i dunno, do you have 2 video cards ?
[11:17] <Hawkwind> SeicherlBoB: I am :P
[11:17] <aliasfred> Jazon: what kxdocker is doing
[11:17] <SeicherlBoB> aliasfred: no. its a laptop with external connector
[11:17] <Daskreech_> ids: Kstars
[11:17] <farous> SeicherlBoB: xinerama
[11:17] <Daskreech_> ids: Wesnoth
[11:17] <Daskreech_> ids: Flightgear
[11:17] <ids> omg beeing flushed with progs cool
[11:17] <Daskreech_> ids: E17 :)
[11:17] <SeicherlBoB> Hawkwind: can you check your lspci and tell me what you get concerning display and VGA?
[11:17] <Jazon> aliasfred: gives a docker bar at the bottom like macOSX (but better ;)   )
[11:18] <SeicherlBoB> farous: well then guess whats not working
[11:18] <Daskreech_> ids: World of Warcraft >_<
[11:18] <aliasfred> Jazon: oh! with the live 'zoom' ?
[11:18] <Hawkwind> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[11:18] <farous> SeicherlBoB: did you configure kdm or gdm to use it ?
[11:18] <SeicherlBoB> farous: again: guess whats not working
[11:18] <Jazon> aliasfred: ooooh yah!
[11:18] <SeicherlBoB> farous: either i got clones or it hangs
[11:18] <farous> SeicherlBoB: strange for it is working perfectly here
[11:19] <aliasfred> Jazon: cool indeed :)
[11:19] <ids> ok brb need to reboot system
[11:19] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: what have you tried?
[11:19] <SeicherlBoB> farous: i'm using intel onboard
[11:19] <aliasfred> SeicherlBoB: tips, cut/past is a nice tool to get help :)
[11:19] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: almost everything i guess. the thing is, using screen 0 and screen 1 on the same card with different devices wont work
[11:19] <aliasfred> SeicherlBoB: like lspci in a pastebin :)
[11:19] <farous> ati 9600 here but had it working with ig ati on my compaq
[11:19] <Kiongku> lol Hawkwind: i got the saem line as u :p
[11:20] <SeicherlBoB> Hawkwind: you get something lieke "Display controller" ?
[11:20] <Jazon> ok, SeicherlBoB install i810switch
[11:20] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: got that
[11:20] <Jazon> see if that is working
[11:20] <Jazon> ok
[11:20] <Jazon> working?
[11:20] <SeicherlBoB> yeah
[11:21] <SeicherlBoB> on/off/on/off... all day long ;)
[11:21] <Jazon> did you rad the man entry for i810?
[11:21] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: well, thats not very much to read thre
[11:21] <Kiongku> night ppl going to sleep
[11:21] <SeicherlBoB> night
[11:22] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: oh... just read i810switch ;)
[11:23] <dpt> anyone knows a program like limewire that isn't limewire, a p2p client??
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> dpt: Frostwire?
[11:24] <farous> dpt: there is frostwire an opensource limewire hack
[11:25] <Hawkwind> !frostwire
[11:25] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[11:26] <waspius> hello
[11:26] <ids> anyone knows the src-devs of novell
[11:27] <waspius> i have made a home network with internet sharing..does anyone know how i can make it show me an icon in the in the corner
[11:27] <dpt> thanks
[11:28] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: did you ever have to use this?
[11:28] <Jazon> i have not done it yet - need another screen :s
[11:28] <Jazon> but read a lot about it
[11:28] <Jazon> eeeer well  read some about it
[11:29] <Cr4sh5> Hey I just loaded the latest version of Kubuntu onto my laptop and I am trying to get the wireless internet to work. I have no other means of internet to it
[11:29] <nickenyfiken> anyone here using Azureus? Got a problem with that stupid popup in the lower right of screen, it wont go away when i click "hide"
[11:29] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: you got a clue what pipe A and B are?
[11:29] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: yeah.  pipe A is your lcd.  pipe B is your output on the back
[11:30] <Jazon> kinda confusing, i know
[11:30] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: so do i still have to use 2 devices or can i do that from serverlayout?
[11:30] <Jazon> that i dont know
[11:30] <Jazon> sorry
[11:30] <SeicherlBoB> ok
[11:30] <SeicherlBoB> well thanks. i got another hook to hang onto now
[11:30] <Jazon> heh
[11:30] <Jazon> let me know
[11:31] <Jazon> if im not in here i am always in #grass or #qgis
[11:31] <Cr4sh5> Hey I just loaded the latest version of Kubuntu onto my laptop and I am trying to get the wireless internet to work. I have no other means of internet to it
[11:31] <Jazon> Cr4sh5: what card
[11:31] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: one last: CRT is clear, but whats LFP and DFP?
[11:32] <Jazon> lcd flat panel  digital flat panel????????? not sure
[11:32] <Cr4sh5> Jazon: Linksys Wireless G Notebook adapter 2.4ghz Model WPC54G
[11:32] <TheInfinity> you habe a router + accesspoint and you want connecting it?
[11:32] <jott_> lfp is local flat pabel
[11:32] <Cr4sh5> Yes
[11:32] <jott_> panel
[11:32] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: so the laptop has a LFP
[11:33] <ubuntu> what can you do if ubiquity crash ?
[11:33] <jott_> SeicherlBoB: yes should be
[11:33] <SeicherlBoB> thanks
[11:34] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/4/i810.html
[11:35] <Cr4sh5> Can anyone help me with my wireless problem?
[11:35] <Jazon> urfff wrong url sorry
[11:35] <trovador51> thx to the ppl that helped me, i finally fixed grub mounting /dev and then chrooting, apparently only an issue on sata drives.
[11:35] <Jazon> Cr4sh5: www.linuxant.com
[11:36] <Jazon> or use ndiswrapper (better cause its free)
[11:36] <Cr4sh5> ok
[11:37] <Jazon> you ok with ndiswrapper?
[11:37] <Jazon> linuxant is free for a month
[11:37] <REPOLHO> Hi, anyone here use some firebird/ib aplication on kubuntu?
[11:38] <markrian> Cr4sh5, I'd suggest ndiswrapper over linuxant's product ;)
[11:38] <Jazon> markrian: i agree.... except that linuxant is wayyyyyyy easy compared to ndiswrapper if you are new.   the linuxant gives you a month to figure out ndiswrapper :P
[11:39] <markrian> True
[11:39] <markrian> But
[11:39] <markrian> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper has reasonable documentation to help
[11:39] <Jazon> fair enough.
[11:39] <mikki> How do i open .rar files ?
[11:39] <Jazon> some people like to point and click though
[11:39] <Jazon> mikki: can opener
[11:39] <Jazon> :P
[11:40] <Jazon> ark
[11:40] <farous> !info unrar
[11:40] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[11:40] <farous> mikki: ^ 6
[11:40] <ids> he someone knows hot to install xgl
[11:40] <Cr4sh5> Does kubuntu have a built in DVD player?
[11:41] <farous> !restrictedformats > Cr4sh5
[11:41] <Jazon> Cr4sh5: yes... but needs a special little hack to play dvd's as they are encoded
[11:41] <Cr4sh5> okay
[11:41] <Jazon> (how covert!)
[11:41] <Jazon> heh
[11:41] <farous> Cr4sh5: read ubotu pm
[11:41] <Cr4sh5> okay thanks
[11:42] <farous> ur w:)
[11:42] <TheGateKeeper> Cr4sh5: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[11:42] <Cr4sh5> okay
[11:43] <Jazon> libdvdcss2 right? heh
[11:44] <waspius> does anyone know hot to have an icon showing when i am connected to the internet and the network?
[11:44] <farous> !info kwireless
[11:44] <ubotu> Package kwireless does not exist in dapper
[11:44] <Jazon> try knemo
[11:44] <farous> forgot its name there is an applet for it. right click on the panel
[11:45] <farous> and you will get list of options one of them for wireless
[11:45] <Jazon> waspius: try knemo its good
[11:45] <waspius> Jazon: thanx
[11:45] <Jazon> :)
[11:45] <farous> !info kwirelessmonitor
[11:45] <ubotu> kwirelessmonitor: wireless interface monitor for KDE systray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.91-2build1 (dapper), package size 55 kB, installed size 280 kB
[11:45] <Cr4sh5> okay Im a tad bit newbie, and I got the source onto my comp and need to compile it
[11:45] <farous> there you go
[11:47] <Cr4sh5> can anyone help me?
[11:47] <Darkkish> with?
[11:47] <Darkkish> the source of what
[11:47] <Cr4sh5> Compiling the sourcecode of ndiswrapper so i can get wiresless
[11:47] <Darkkish> lol
[11:47] <Darkkish> are you on a laptop?
[11:47] <farous> Cr4sh5: you do not need to do that
[11:48] <farous> lsmod |grep ndiswrapper
[11:48] <Cr4sh5> Im using windows right now, and my laptop has no other internet capabilities
[11:48] <Darkkish> oh
[11:48] <Cr4sh5> but my laptop is right here beside me
[11:49] <farous> Cr4sh5: ok open it and in a term type lsmdo |grep ndiswrapper
[11:49] <farous> making sure it is loaded or not
[11:49] <Cr4sh5> farous: it returns bash: lsmdo: command not found
[11:49] <Jazon> heh
[11:49] <Jazon> i was waiting for that
[11:49] <farous> Cr4sh5: lsmod
[11:49] <Jazon> lsmod
[11:50] <Cr4sh5> nothing happens just brings up another line for me to type cmds
[11:50] <farous> Jazon: why were you waiting why not just correct me on the spot
[11:50] <farous> Cr4sh5: ok it is not loaded
[11:50] <HeroKiller> ok does someone know how to install xgl
[11:50] <waspius> what do i use to get java?apt-get install j something
[11:50] <Jazon> there was like 40 seconds dude
[11:50] <Darkkish> later guys
[11:50] <Darkkish> logging to winblows
[11:51] <Jazon> i was part way through thte correction when he responded
[11:51] <farous> Cr4sh5: you need the ndiswrapper-utils package
[11:51] <Darkkish> to play wow with my friend... with sound :)
[11:51] <Darkkish> :p
[11:51] <farous> Jazon: cool :)
[11:51] <Cr4sh5> farous: where do i get that? I got the source code from there sourceforge page
[11:51] <HeroKiller> ok does someone know how to install xgl
[11:51] <farous> Cr4sh5: and you need the linux-restriced-modules one
[11:51] <farous> Cr4sh5: you can download from packages.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <draik> !xgl > HeroKiller
[11:52] <farous> Cr4sh5: the problem is it might have dependencies and is much easier if the laptop is connected to the net
[11:52] <farous> Cr4sh5: wht does uname -r tell you in a konsole
[11:52] <HeroKiller> thanks
[11:53] <Cr4sh5> farous: 2.6.15-26-386
[11:53] <anssi_> command for java in ubuntu please
[11:53] <adam___> hi, can someone tell me how to unlock list directory on apt-get. An install failed and I can't get into package manager anymore
[11:53] <TheInfinity> java IS the command
[11:53] <anssi_> plugin
[11:54] <TheInfinity> if you have the original JVM installed
[11:54] <farous> ok you need the linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-386
[11:54] <anssi_> i mentfor installing it
[11:55] <Cr4sh5> farous: okay, so where do i get that from? packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:55] <farous> yah
[11:55] <REPOLHO> Hi, anyone here use some firebird/ib aplication on kubuntu?
[11:55] <farous> download the packages then cp them to your laptop and we will try installing them and see if we need more packages
[11:56] <Jazon> adam___: sudo apt-get -f install   maybe
[11:56] <anssi_> so i need a command for installing java runtime enviroment for konqueror
[11:56] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: ok. news from the dualhead! logfile says my V-Bios checksum is bad
[11:56] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: urffffff
[11:56] <SeicherlBoB> that doesnt sound good
[11:56] <Cr4sh5> Faours: okay there are lots of stuff I dont know on this site like distribution
[11:57] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: or is that i "dunno" urffff ?
[11:57] <farous> you have dapper right
[11:57] <adam___> jason thanks but was my bad haha i figured it out :P <------- idiot
[11:57] <Cr4sh5> farous: I dont know what dapper is.
[11:57] <Jazon> im not sure SeicherlBoB
[11:57] <farous> what is the name of the cd you installed
[11:57] <Jazon> does google know anything about that?
[11:57] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: ok. cause i got another error aswell
[11:57] <Cr4sh5> uuhh
[11:57] <anssi_> i have kubuntu 64 dapper if that matters in installing java
[11:57] <Jazon> lay it on us
[11:57] <farous> !java
[11:57] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[11:58] <Cr4sh5> farous: kubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso
[11:58] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: It tells me that i need to have a MonitorLayout definied for use in a DualHead or Clone setup. but i got one!!
[11:58] <farous> anssi_: 64 have lot of probs see if there is special inst for it
[11:58] <farous> Cr4sh5: that is dapper
[11:58] <Cr4sh5> farous: okay
[11:58] <Jazon> did you edit xorg.conf????
[11:58] <waspius> Jazon: do u know how to configure knemo?
[11:58] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: sure, what else?
[11:58] <Cr4sh5> farous: so would this be the right package? dapper (misc): Non-free Linux 2.6.15 modules on 386 [restricted] 
[11:58] <Cr4sh5> 2.6.15.11-3: i386
[11:58] <Jazon> waspius: yes
[11:59] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: man i810
[11:59] <adam___> anssi_: go to the sun website and get the linux amd64.bin file and run it ... then place the dir it extracts in usr/java
[11:59] <Jazon> there is a section in there that you need to enable
[11:59] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: yes. thats where i have the monitorlayout from. but it doesnt say where to put it
[11:59] <farous> Cr4sh5: you will find the name of the package give me a link to the url to see
[11:59] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: so i put it in Serverlayout
[11:59] <Jazon> hmmm  ok...   i will read more
[11:59] <mikki> after  installing unrar. how do i open the rar file?
[12:00] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: was that meant for me? your reading i mean
[12:00] <Jazon> yes
[12:00] <farous> mikki: just right click with the mouse on it
[12:00] <Jazon> i am reading
[12:00] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: thanks mate
[12:00] <farous> mikki: or just type unrar e <file name>
[12:01] <Cr4sh5> farous: did you get that link?
[12:01] <TheInfinity> mikki: use ARk
[12:01] <TheInfinity> ARK
[12:01] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: already 2 different screens? :-)
[12:01] <farous> Cr4sh5: post it again
[12:01] <Cr4sh5> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=+linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-38&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=restricted
[12:01] <jott> SeicherlBoB: just google.. this was one of the first hits: http://www.wahlau.org/ubuntu_hoary_thinkpad_t43_and_xorg_dual_head_display
[12:01] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: no ;) still hanging here (i was away inbetween)
[12:02] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: me, too
[12:02] <farous> Cr4sh5: yah this is the package
[12:02] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: don`t hav time anymore today ... important date tomorrow
[12:02] <SeicherlBoB> fritsch: dont worry, i got Jazon with me
[12:03] <anssi_> adam rpm or the otherone?
[12:03] <fritsch> SeicherlBoB: have fun!
[12:03] <SeicherlBoB> thanks ;)
[12:03] <SeicherlBoB> you too
[12:03] <Cr4sh5> farous: so which do i download?
[12:03] <farous> Cr4sh5: can you exec this command on the laptop, sudo modprobe -l |grep ndiswrapper
[12:04] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: i am reading this: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Dual_Monitor_Intel_i810_i915
[12:04] <anssi_> jre-1_5_0_06-linux-amd64.bin i downloaded this one
[12:04] <unix_infidel> farous: better to just do lsmod | grep ndiswrapper to avoid confusion.
[12:04] <farous> unix_infidel: confusion with wht ?
[12:04] <farous> just for my info
[12:05] <unix_infidel> farous: you trying to list all modules that are available.
[12:05] <unix_infidel> or list all modules currently being used?
[12:05] <farous> unix_infidel: that are avail
[12:05] <unix_infidel> farous: yes, you can do modprobe -l | grep ndiswrapper
[12:05] <farous> unix_infidel: i know that ?
[12:05] <Cr4sh5> farous: mobprobe: invalid optino -- 1
[12:05] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: got another one from jott that looks good
[12:05] <Cr4sh5> and a bunch more text
[12:05] <farous> Cr4sh5: it is a small L not the numb 1
[12:06] <unix_infidel> LOL, i read that question totally wrong.
[12:06] <farous> unix_infidel: no prob :)
[12:06] <SeicherlBoB> I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!
[12:06] <SeicherlBoB> jott: thanks! looks like i'm always using wrong keywords in google
[12:06] <Cr4sh5> farous: /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/kernal/drivers/net.ndiswraper/ndiswrapper.ko
[12:07] <farous> Cr4sh5: so it is already there you do not need to compile or download :)
[12:07] <farous> Cr4sh5: now check if the ndiswrapper-utils is installed
[12:07] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: share dude
[12:07] <farous> dpkg -l ndiswrapper-utils
[12:07] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: http://www.wahlau.org/ubuntu_hoary_thinkpad_t43_and_xorg_dual_head_display
[12:08] <Cr4sh5> farious: no packages found matching ndiswrapper-utils
[12:08] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: need to put that MonitorLayout stuff on both devices
[12:08] <farous> Cr4sh5: ok so we only need this package
[12:08] <farous> Cr4sh5: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:08] <jott> SeicherlBoB: read the searchlores.org page .. it will hopefully enlighten you how to find information ;)
[12:09] <Cr4sh5> sudo: mobprobe: command not found
[12:09] <farous> Cr4sh5: cp and paste to avoid spel mist
[12:09] <SeicherlBoB> jott: thanks a lot
[12:09] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: that makes sense.....awesome....
[12:09] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon, fritsch, jott: next beers are on me ;)
[12:09] <mikki> i tried to open the .rar file with Ark, but it gave me this:
[12:09] <mikki> The utility unrar is not in your PATH.
[12:09] <mikki> Please install it