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| poningru | anyone know who I can bug on the irc for shipit? | 12:37 |
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| johnlittle | not I | 12:37 |
| johnlittle | there should be a backchannel shipit | 12:37 |
| johnlittle | check out this ubuntu box: http://mous.ath.cx/web/ventigrad/page/mous.php | 12:48 |
| johnlittle | It says mandriva on the page but he wrote me to tell me hes switched to Ubuntu | 12:49 |
| poningru | hmm | 12:50 |
| johnlittle | thats the guy behind the dual monitor ut2004 video i posted | 12:51 |
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| poningru | there is not channel for shipit | 12:53 |
| poningru | wait what do you mean backchannel? | 12:53 |
| johnlittle | Not channel as in IRC but a way to make sure that active members of the community can get CDs | 12:54 |
| lophyte | oi, is the wiki down? | 12:54 |
| johnlittle | nope | 12:55 |
| lophyte | oh, nevermind | 12:55 |
| johnlittle | super fast on this side | 12:55 |
| johnlittle | but give it 5 minutes :) | 12:55 |
| lophyte | johnlittle: thanks for the link | 12:57 |
| johnlittle | link? | 12:57 |
| lophyte | your adopt a project link | 12:57 |
| johnlittle | ah ok lol | 12:57 |
| johnlittle | offensive or useful? | 12:58 |
| lophyte | useful.. I just have a different image of what 'team' means | 12:59 |
| johnlittle | It isn't quite what I expected either but the more I do the more I realize how it functions | 01:00 |
| johnlittle | Many people expect hierarchy with team. This is a little different | 01:00 |
| lophyte | well, not necessarily hierarchy | 01:01 |
| johnlittle | structure | 01:01 |
| lophyte | but at least some cohesion and collectiveness | 01:01 |
| johnlittle | It's there but you have to have ninja-like powers to find it | 01:01 |
| lophyte | this more or less works like a franchise | 01:01 |
| johnlittle | pretty much | 01:01 |
| lophyte | a bunch of people doing their own thing under a common name | 01:01 |
| johnlittle | Yes and no. There's a great deal of collaboration and people will pitch in and help in many areas..but yes it's good to take initiative and do your own thing | 01:02 |
| johnlittle | if that makes sense | 01:02 |
| johnlittle | Have you ever volunteered in a disaster relief effort? It's very much like that | 01:03 |
| lophyte | nope | 01:03 |
| johnlittle | Not the best example but that's what it reminds me of | 01:03 |
| lophyte | I can't say I've ever been involved in anything that operate like this :P | 01:05 |
| lophyte | operates, even | 01:05 |
| johnlittle | It has it's strengths and weaknesses...but give it a chance. Look at all the great stuff it produces | 01:06 |
| johnlittle | If you want more of the traditional team approach you might consider getting involved with a local team..or starting one | 01:09 |
| lophyte | the ubuntu canada 'team' operates in much the same manner :P | 01:10 |
| johnlittle | canada is a big place..what about your immediate area? | 01:10 |
| lophyte | I don't know anyone that knows ubuntu.. I've been trying to get a few people from the ubuntu-ca mailing list to meet up in my city to do videos, as I've told you about before | 01:11 |
| lophyte | but that fell through because nobody followed up | 01:11 |
| mindspin | maybe they don#t want to appear in a video on internet ;-) | 01:11 |
| lophyte | they're all interested in doing video/film, which is why I initiated it | 01:12 |
| johnlittle | Maybe try assembling your own team - work with a local linux users group | 01:12 |
| mindspin | or take the chance to work decentralised and over the internet ;-) | 01:13 |
| johnlittle | You're on the bleeding edge so either route will probably require a bit of initiative | 01:15 |
| lophyte | hrm. | 01:15 |
| lophyte | I have initiative, its just a lack of ideas :P | 01:15 |
| lophyte | and/or people | 01:15 |
| johnlittle | I'm sure you can work up some ideas..finding like-minded people may be more difficult but it's certainly doable. | 01:16 |
| lophyte | well, I'd like to do a viral marketing campaign | 01:16 |
| lophyte | but | 01:16 |
| lophyte | that requires people | 01:16 |
| johnlittle | Can you develop web sites or blogs? | 01:17 |
| lophyte | yeah | 01:17 |
| poningru | guys do we have ubuntu tshirts yet? | 01:18 |
| lophyte | yes, we do | 01:18 |
| lophyte | well, ubuntu canada t-shirts :P | 01:18 |
| johnlittle | lots of viral campaigns start with just one blog. I know I get paid to do them ;) | 01:18 |
| mindspin | start writing a blog, get readers, get publicity, start your viral marketing... | 01:18 |
| poningru | :( | 01:18 |
| lophyte | I was thinking more offline viral marketing | 01:18 |
| mindspin | how should that work? | 01:19 |
| lophyte | remember a few years ago when everywhere you went, you could find an AOL CD? | 01:19 |
| lophyte | they were *everywhere* | 01:19 |
| mindspin | and everybody hated aol for that | 01:19 |
| mindspin | so be careful because the dog may bite | 01:20 |
| lophyte | then how did they get so many customers and make so much money if everybody hated them? | 01:20 |
| johnlittle | They're failing misreably | 01:20 |
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| lophyte | they are now | 01:20 |
| lophyte | but not at the time | 01:20 |
| lophyte | I think if you take the same approach but add a bit of moderation... | 01:21 |
| mindspin | at that time, everybody with a stupid idea could get money from "investors" | 01:21 |
| johnlittle | aol aside..what's your idea? | 01:21 |
| lophyte | well, basically to put together a "ubuntu street team" who would hit the streets with t-shirts and CDs and promote to the general public | 01:22 |
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| lophyte | even if it doesn't immediately convert people, it at least exposes people to the fact that there are alternatives to Windows | 01:22 |
| mindspin | and singing hare krishna ... | 01:23 |
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| johnlittle | I would suggest a post to craiglist outlining your idea..maybe point people to a blog..or a wiki page here that provides details. There are plenty of people who would go for that..especially in Canada | 01:24 |
| johnlittle | Are you in a major city? | 01:24 |
| lophyte | yup | 01:24 |
| lophyte | Toronto | 01:24 |
| johnlittle | There's no shortage of people who would joint your street team in toronto.. | 01:25 |
| lophyte | perhaps I'll take your advice and post to craigslist and talk to people about starting a Ubuntu Toronto | 01:25 |
| johnlittle | join | 01:25 |
| mindspin | I#d guess there are some people from toronto at ubuntu channels here | 01:25 |
| johnlittle | You could get tons of kids on your side just with the political/open source angle alone | 01:25 |
| lophyte | perhaps I could talk to the guy who runs the Linux Caffe | 01:25 |
| johnlittle | Not perhaps..for sure | 01:26 |
| lophyte | they run Ubuntu there | 01:26 |
| lophyte | I'll put up ads for the team there and see if he'd be willing to host | 01:26 |
| johnlittle | A city like Toronto..that's like the holy land for street team organizers | 01:26 |
| lophyte | yeah | 01:26 |
| johnlittle | go forth and multiple | 01:27 |
| johnlittle | multiply | 01:27 |
| lophyte | this is perhaps what's "wrong" with the marketing team, for newcomers especially... | 01:27 |
| lophyte | there's no immediate sense of direction when you join.. that's kinda what I was hoping to find. | 01:28 |
| lophyte | that's, in my opinion, what a team does | 01:28 |
| lophyte | but like we were talking about earlier.. its more of a franchise than a team | 01:28 |
| johnlittle | If it was a staffed team that would be easier..but it's completley decentralized | 01:28 |
| johnlittle | I'd suggest posting here: http://ontario.indymedia.ca/twiki/bin/view/Toronto/WebOrgInfo | 01:29 |
| johnlittle | oops long url...ontario.indymedia.ca | 01:29 |
| johnlittle | I'm not a fan of indymedia but its a hub for lots of activism | 01:30 |
| lophyte | I'll post to craigslist, talk to David from the Linux Caffe, and go from there | 01:31 |
| johnlittle | good luck | 01:31 |
| lophyte | I gotta run for a bit | 01:32 |
| lophyte | thanks for the chat and the advice | 01:32 |
| johnlittle | cya | 01:32 |
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| johnlittle | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q | 01:54 |
| poningru | queston guys | 02:58 |
| poningru | would it be ok if I start sending out press releases to ap/major newspapers? | 02:58 |
| johnlittle | Good question. Maybe start a wiki and draft sample letters/release that we could all give some feedback on and use ourselves. It would be another project we could direct new members to. | 03:16 |
| johnlittle | releases | 03:16 |
| johnlittle | poningru: ping | 03:34 |
| poningru | johnlittle: pong | 03:34 |
| poningru | hmm interesting idea | 03:35 |
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| johnlittle | cool send me a link when you got something | 03:35 |
| poningru | actually the releases canonical puts out seem to be pretty well done | 03:36 |
| johnlittle | yeah..they're probably ok to reuse | 03:36 |
| johnlittle | what about some for local folks...an offer to drop in and do a demo for a tech columnist in the local paper..or radio shows..those kinds of letters | 03:37 |
| poningru | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released | 03:37 |
| poningru | hmm true | 03:37 |
| johnlittle | You could use the canonical one for sure | 03:38 |
| johnlittle | As long as you dont modify it in some odd way which I know you won't...like attributing all the quotes to Poningru :) | 03:39 |
| poningru | hehe | 03:39 |
| poningru | you know we need to talk to malcolm about ui faux pas for these press releases | 03:39 |
| poningru | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9 | 03:39 |
| poningru | screenshots have to be 'frosted' on the edges | 03:40 |
| johnlittle | heh | 03:42 |
| johnlittle | Does canonical have any office space or is it completely virtual? | 03:42 |
| poningru | I think somewhere on Isle of Man | 03:43 |
| poningru | a tiny island off the coast of ireland and britain | 03:44 |
| johnlittle | but folks are mostly scattered around the globe arent they? | 03:46 |
| poningru | yeah thats true | 03:47 |
| poningru | most of the stuff is done virtually iirc | 03:47 |
| johnlittle | wish more companies would do that | 03:48 |
| poningru | arr? | 03:49 |
| poningru | so /me is thinking about putting together press kits | 03:50 |
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| poningru | instead of just press releases | 03:50 |
| poningru | it can include a shipit cd | 03:50 |
| johnlittle | thats the way to do it..no sense in sending it without at least a cd | 03:50 |
| poningru | yeah but what else should it include though? | 03:51 |
| poningru | like a letter from the local lug or something informing of installfests ? | 03:51 |
| poningru | or where to get support? | 03:51 |
| === poningru will just put those stuff in the wiki | ||
| poningru | the wiki monster will take care of the rest ;) | 03:52 |
| johnlittle | hmm it would be nice to give them a bunch of useful links in some way | 03:52 |
| johnlittle | media is lazy..they love to have roundups done for them | 03:53 |
| === johnlittle deals with them all the time | ||
| johnlittle | links to good reviews online, the community, cool sites..that would be good | 03:54 |
| poningru | hmm true | 03:54 |
| poningru | damn where is mathewrevell | 03:55 |
| johnlittle | If all that was in one place and people could email an introduction and link to media types...that would be useful | 03:55 |
| johnlittle | Doesnt he have this project on the list? | 03:56 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam | 03:56 |
| poningru | yeah | 03:56 |
| poningru | dont know if I should add it to that | 03:56 |
| poningru | johnlittle: where do you live? | 03:56 |
| johnlittle | Houston | 03:56 |
| johnlittle | Texas. USA | 03:56 |
| poningru | see need to know how the press works in non US areas | 03:57 |
| === poningru sends press releases to the assignment editor usually | ||
| johnlittle | Not much differently..I've dealt with them globally | 03:57 |
| poningru | hmm | 03:58 |
| johnlittle | They all work on deadlines. If you can feed them a partially complete story many will run with it | 03:58 |
| johnlittle | A good press kit should do the work for them | 03:58 |
| tonyyarusso | Do any of you have a standard/form press release that I could use as a baseline for writing some? | 03:59 |
| johnlittle | we were just talking about making that part of the wiki | 03:59 |
| johnlittle | the canonical one that pnngru posted is probably a good baseline | 04:00 |
| poningru | yeah | 04:00 |
| johnlittle | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released | 04:00 |
| tonyyarusso | Ah. I had the same idea a while back, but never got around to starting it. :( | 04:00 |
| poningru | except /me usually posts the contact on the top... | 04:00 |
| poningru | but apart from that, that is basically what it should look like | 04:00 |
| johnlittle | this would be a great project for you guys to fire up | 04:01 |
| tonyyarusso | True, but the ones like that only help really if you already have some idea what it is. I think I need a more spoon-feeding explanation of what the heck this is all about. | 04:01 |
| johnlittle | spoon feeding is good | 04:01 |
| johnlittle | work in an angle they can understand...like windows spyware problem. I've found that a lot of tech journalists aren't that technical | 04:02 |
| tonyyarusso | It's true. Sad, but true. | 04:03 |
| poningru | hehe yeah | 04:03 |
| tonyyarusso | I did write up a blurb for the Dapper release...I might be able to find it in my e-mails and offer it for further work. | 04:03 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK | 04:03 |
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| tonyyarusso | I don't know how good it is, but hey, it's something. | 04:03 |
| tonyyarusso | EPK? | 04:03 |
| johnlittle | I think the key to doing this is documenting it on the wiki so you can point new team members to it and they can jump right in | 04:04 |
| poningru | Electronic Press Kit | 04:04 |
| johnlittle | nice | 04:04 |
| johnlittle | Almost every online publication lists the authors email now | 04:05 |
| poningru | yeah I am gonna put it together like a howto for noobs | 04:05 |
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| tonyyarusso | poningru: Would my text be useful to you at all or are you good to go? | 04:08 |
| === poningru will most def appreciate your text | ||
| poningru | link me | 04:09 |
| johnlittle | anyone speak spanish? | 04:10 |
| poningru | johnlittle: poco | 04:11 |
| === poningru had couple of years of spanish in hs | ||
| johnlittle | http://youtube.com/watch?v=FFC2Kyfe2EE | 04:13 |
| poningru | err on my lappy right now... cant watch it because of no flash | 04:16 |
| johnlittle | ah np | 04:17 |
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| tonyyarusso | poningru: http://home.earthlink.net/~tonyyarusso/press_release6.06 | 04:18 |
| tonyyarusso | Also on my lappy, can't watch it because dialup :( | 04:19 |
| poningru | nice | 04:21 |
| poningru | thanks | 04:21 |
| jenda | What am I doing on IRC at 4:20 in the morning? | 04:26 |
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| jenda | good morning, bimberi | 04:27 |
| johnlittle | I've been asking myself that question a lot lately | 04:28 |
| bimberi | 'afternoon jenda, johnlittle | 04:28 |
| johnlittle | yo bimberi | 04:28 |
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| elkbuntu | jenda, i share your pain.. now.. go :P | 04:30 |
| jenda | elkbuntu: I just came and you already want me to go? ;) | 04:30 |
| jenda | You probably have a point. | 04:30 |
| elkbuntu | oh.. you WOKE AT 4.20am | 04:31 |
| elkbuntu | o.O | 04:31 |
| elkbuntu | im usually not fully asleep by that time... | 04:31 |
| jenda | elkbuntu: no... | 04:33 |
| jenda | ... I came back from a party. | 04:33 |
| jenda | And, what's more - I'm sober. | 04:34 |
| johnlittle | I'm sorry | 04:34 |
| elkbuntu | oh my.. you poor thing | 04:35 |
| johnlittle | Take 4 shots of tequila and head straight to bed | 04:35 |
| jenda | Hehe :) | 04:35 |
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| elkbuntu | johnlittle, shush.. the one good point is the lack of hangover tomorrow | 04:35 |
| jenda | Actually, that was meant to be a good thing - but as you wish | 04:35 |
| jenda | Good night. | 04:35 |
| elkbuntu | night jenda | 04:35 |
| johnlittle | 4 shots of tequila when you wake...no hangover | 04:36 |
| johnlittle | repeat | 04:36 |
| johnlittle | nite | 04:36 |
| rjian | Helo people | 04:36 |
| johnlittle | yo | 04:36 |
| poningru | gaah | 04:38 |
| rjian | Hello johnlittle | 04:39 |
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| poningru | double cheeseburger? | 04:44 |
| poningru | yech | 04:44 |
| tonyyarusso | How dare you?! | 04:49 |
| tonyyarusso | Especially if it has bacon too... | 04:49 |
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| johnlittle | ping: nixternal | 05:47 |
| elkbuntu | johnlittle, ubuntuvideo has so far given the counter 18354 hits | 06:03 |
| johnlittle | wow | 06:03 |
| johnlittle | It's off to a decent start | 06:04 |
| johnlittle | Just got an email from Cory Doctorow | 06:09 |
| johnlittle | hes making the switch from Mac to Ubuntu | 06:09 |
| elkbuntu | who's that? | 06:10 |
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| poningru | johnlittle: uh... | 06:12 |
| poningru | cory made the switch a while ago | 06:12 |
| johnlittle | No. It took him months to get his Lenovo laptop | 06:12 |
| johnlittle | Hes exporting his mac data now and getting ready to make the switch | 06:13 |
| johnlittle | I guess that explains why we haven't seen any followup posts. | 06:13 |
| poningru | http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/29/mark_pilgrims_list_o.html | 06:14 |
| poningru | oh | 06:14 |
| poningru | did not know that | 06:14 |
| johnlittle | I didn't either until the email arrived a minute ago :) | 06:14 |
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| johnlittle | Not much you can do about a backordered lenovo | 06:14 |
| johnlittle | I hope it goes well. It will be a very high profile failure or success | 06:15 |
| nixternal | whats up johnlittle? | 06:16 |
| johnlittle | bad link on fridge | 06:17 |
| poningru | damn #ubuntu is getting some high traffic | 06:19 |
| poningru | they need help badly | 06:19 |
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| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK#preview | 07:01 |
| poningru | and go | 07:01 |
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| Madpilot | nixternal, cool article on the NUN at linux.com | 07:15 |
| nixternal | thanks! | 07:15 |
| nixternal | oh wait, i didn't write it, i just participated ;) | 07:15 |
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| KenSentMe | Good morning | 08:44 |
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| jenda | Morning | 10:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi mate | 10:21 |
| mindspin | morning lads | 10:22 |
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| digitalmouse | greetings programs! | 10:31 |
| poningru | llo | 10:32 |
| poningru | anyone wanna work on this? | 10:32 |
| poningru | /MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK | 10:32 |
| === poningru looks at jenda | ||
| mindspin | whats EPK? | 10:33 |
| mindspin | Press Team is the place where I would feel best.... | 10:34 |
| === jenda looks back at poningru | ||
| jenda | has there ever been anything I didn't want to work on? | 10:35 |
| poningru | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK | 10:36 |
| jenda | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK | 10:36 |
| poningru | scratch that | 10:36 |
| poningru | yeah what he said | 10:36 |
| mindspin | ;-) | 10:36 |
| poningru | my bad | 10:36 |
| mindspin | poningru: I'll spend some time on it today.... | 10:37 |
| poningru | ooh thanks | 10:38 |
| mdke | nice | 10:38 |
| mindspin | we should add some words about identifying the key journalists and a small "how to reach them" | 10:38 |
| poningru | oh doh | 10:39 |
| poningru | yah I was gonna add which editor etc. to contact | 10:39 |
| mindspin | say "always call them first on phone and ask them about.... | 10:39 |
| poningru | mdke: thanks :) | 10:40 |
| poningru | mindspin: hmm /me wonders where to put that on there | 10:40 |
| mindspin | at the start | 10:40 |
| mindspin | as a kind of "preface" | 10:40 |
| poningru | true | 10:40 |
| mindspin | and we should add a subpage to give help about PR at all | 10:41 |
| mindspin | I woulsd do some about this too, if wanted | 10:41 |
| mindspin | but not before 3pm cet ;-) | 10:42 |
| mindspin | got to work a bit... | 10:42 |
| poningru | hehe its quarter till 5 in the morn here | 10:43 |
| mindspin | 10:42 here | 10:43 |
| mindspin | first I have to work over some articles here for work... | 10:45 |
| poningru | gl | 10:51 |
| matthewrevell | jenda: Got enough stickers left to be mentioned in a Fridge article? | 10:51 |
| poningru | matthewrevell: !!! | 10:52 |
| matthewrevell | poningru: ? | 10:54 |
| poningru | matthewrevell: needed your help with the press kit howto | 10:55 |
| matthewrevell | poningru: Cool. Can you post something to the mailing list? | 10:57 |
| matthewrevell | poningru: I can't hover in irc much today :( | 10:57 |
| poningru | oh true | 10:57 |
| poningru | its cool | 10:57 |
| poningru | mailing list would probably be best anyway | 10:57 |
| matthewrevell | poningru: Plus, if you're doing stuff, it'll be great to get some balance on the mailing list between "mad ideas" and "stuff to do" :) | 10:58 |
| poningru | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK | 10:58 |
| poningru | btw | 10:58 |
| matthewrevell | poningru: Cool. Nice one. Maybe involve some loco teams? | 10:59 |
| matthewrevell | Anyway, sorry, I gotta shoot off, unless jenda is around. | 10:59 |
| ompaul | what did off ever do on you matthewrevell ? | 11:01 |
| mindspin | and jenda | 11:03 |
| poningru | rofl | 11:03 |
| mindspin | jenda beware | 11:04 |
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| jenda | matthewrevell: I'm not sure - it seems that the preordered ones won't all be shipped, but I need to wait a little longer on the folks who haven't answered yet... | 12:13 |
| jenda | But I might make another batch if they _do_ answer. | 12:13 |
| jenda | In fact, i think I will, if at least the price is covered. | 12:14 |
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| MenZa | Hullo. | 12:42 |
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| KenSentMe | Hmm, my shipit request is rejected | 02:50 |
| KenSentMe | Are they running out of cd's ? | 02:50 |
| matthewrevell | We had a similar discussion yesterday. | 02:52 |
| matthewrevell | Have you had a lot of CDs recently? | 02:52 |
| KenSentMe | matthewrevell: that's why i posted it. I've had ten in pre-order | 02:52 |
| KenSentMe | So that's probably too much | 02:53 |
| mdke | if you've ordered more than one set, you should probably contact them to tell them why more are necessary | 03:01 |
| KenSentMe | What's with the Ubuntu DVD on Amazon.com. Does it include most repo packages or both Gnome and KDE? | 03:06 |
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| KenSentMe | mdke: i think so. Maybe i will do that, but i don't think 'i ran out of cd's ' counts as a legitimate reason | 03:07 |
| matthewrevell | KenSentMe: Depends what you were doing with the CDs. | 03:08 |
| matthewrevell | :) | 03:08 |
| KenSentMe | matthewrevell: i want to make a movie like the one johnlittle posted ;) | 03:09 |
| KenSentMe | THis one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q | 03:10 |
| KenSentMe | Looking at this movie i understand why they are not to eager to ship lot's of cd's to one person | 03:10 |
| matthewrevell | That YouTube video: what a child | 03:14 |
| KenSentMe | really sad | 03:15 |
| elkbuntu | i think we need to take some marketing advice from firefox people | 03:18 |
| elkbuntu | anyone got a spare crop field? | 03:18 |
| KenSentMe | i still have to mowe my grass | 03:19 |
| matthewrevell | I was thinking more along the lines of shining the logo onto landmarks... Would have to think of the implications, tho | 03:19 |
| elkbuntu | matthewrevell, huge ass light to the sky, batman style | 03:21 |
| KenSentMe | maybe the ubuntu-marketing team can hire an 'Ubuntuman' for this | 03:22 |
| matthewrevell | elkbuntu: Hmmm :) | 03:22 |
| matthewrevell | elkbuntu: Holy, erm, oh I dunno. | 03:23 |
| elkbuntu | lol | 03:23 |
| elkbuntu | well, shining lights against the night sky doesnt really infringe laws afaik... | 03:27 |
| KenSentMe | well, i wouldn't be surprised if it does in my country | 03:28 |
| elkbuntu | it depends where and how you do it | 03:42 |
| elkbuntu | from street level would cause probs, but from a skyscraper rooftop, it wouldnt, unless the landlord didnt like the idea | 03:42 |
| KenSentMe | i'll try from my house then :p | 03:43 |
| digitalmouse | I've been sticking ubuntu stickers where I can - latest place was on my recumbent trike, and already 3 people were asking 'where can I get Ubuntu?' :-) | 03:50 |
| digitalmouse | but now I'm out of stickers :-( | 03:50 |
| KenSentMe | digitalmouse: the ones i got are not wheater proof, where did you get yours? Jenda? | 03:51 |
| digitalmouse | no- just the ones that came with my last order of ubuntu cds (no kubuntu stickers I noticed) | 03:55 |
| digitalmouse | a month or so ago | 03:55 |
| digitalmouse | the recumbent has a good surface for stickers, so it should hold up under the weather | 03:55 |
| KenSentMe | digitalmouse: well, i used the same stickers and they stick to my car, but the sticker itself just doesn't survive | 03:57 |
| mindspin | digitalmouse: you can order them there:http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30&Itemid=32 | 04:01 |
| mindspin | although I would not | 04:01 |
| KenSentMe | mindspin: why not? | 04:04 |
| mindspin | for personal reasons that should not be discussed here | 04:04 |
| matthewrevell | digitalmouse: I made have misread you but are you sticking Ubuntu stickers at random public places? | 04:05 |
| matthewrevell | s/made/may | 04:12 |
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| digitalmouse | matthew: yes, but with permission of course | 04:27 |
| matthewrevell | digitalmouse: cool :) | 04:28 |
| digitalmouse | except in the few cases where it is common to put up stickers on public billboards. we also have a few 'poles' that people use to advertise concerts/parties/events... also good places to stick ubuntu stickers at eye-level | 04:33 |
| digitalmouse | but I don't overdo-it. | 04:34 |
| matthewrevell | digitalmouse: I think so long as we avoid illegal stickering, then getting the logo and name in front of people is a good thing. | 04:39 |
| digitalmouse | agreed | 04:45 |
| digitalmouse | I've also considered putting up a little CD stand filled with the freebie ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs and place them in local computer/retail shops, but until the backlog clears and I can start receiving CDs again (or atleast no more rejections) then this idea will have to wait a while. | 04:47 |
| MitchM | I would like to get some stickers; if for nothing more than personal advertisement; is there a store that ships to/in USA that anyone knows of? | 05:13 |
| matthewrevell | You can get a free case sticker from System76 | 05:21 |
| matthewrevell | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/502 | 05:21 |
| digitalmouse | interesting... | 05:34 |
| digitalmouse | now all we need is a European distributor for those. | 05:36 |
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| jenda | digitalmouse: you can get a free sticker from me... if you can send me a stamped envelope that will get it back to you. I'm not sure how you could stamp it so that the Czech post office would accept the payment. | 06:05 |
| jenda | MitchM: still there? | 06:05 |
| jenda | I ship to the US | 06:05 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: how do your stickers look like? | 06:08 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: hmm, bad english | 06:08 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: s/how/what | 06:08 |
| jenda | KenSentMe: have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping | 06:09 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: i don't see any images of the stickers there, should i? | 06:11 |
| jenda | really? | 06:11 |
| mindspin | wait a moment, they showed up here | 06:12 |
| jenda | ah, they are external, and the server is a little slow. | 06:12 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: i see, the wiki tries to load them, but it doesn't work. I don't see them | 06:12 |
| KenSentMe | Now i do | 06:13 |
| jenda | yep | 06:13 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: how much do they cost? | 06:13 |
| KenSentMe | And are they weather proof? | 06:14 |
| jenda | KenSentMe: They are very sturdy - haven't tested outdoors. | 06:15 |
| MitchM | i am sorry jenda | 06:15 |
| MitchM | tech support through the roof this morning =) | 06:15 |
| jenda | And it's $3 for 10 pcs | 06:15 |
| jenda | $5 for 20... | 06:15 |
| jenda | etc. | 06:15 |
| jenda | $15 for 100 is the largest order I had so far. | 06:15 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: i want 20, how can i order them? | 06:16 |
| jenda | email me | 06:16 |
| jenda | @ubuntu.com | 06:16 |
| jenda | and if you send me your address, and pay through paypal - i'll be sending the first shipment very soon. | 06:16 |
| KenSentMe | How does it cost to send them, or is that included? | 06:17 |
| KenSentMe | How much i mean | 06:17 |
| jenda | included | 06:17 |
| KenSentMe | cool | 06:18 |
| jenda | if you leave a tip to make sure the shipping is covered, it'll be appreciated - but the $5 should be enough for me to ship. | 06:18 |
| jenda | MitchM: Are you interested too? | 06:19 |
| KenSentMe | Do you have any idea how much it costs to ship them to the netherlands? | 06:19 |
| KenSentMe | And what is your paypal account? | 06:20 |
| jenda | same as email - jenda ubuntu com | 06:20 |
| jenda | I prefer not making a difference in the prices, but it won't cost more than a buck. | 06:21 |
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| KenSentMe | Hmm, paypal only allows me to add money through my bank account and not with a credit card | 06:23 |
| MitchM | Jenda: I am interested | 06:24 |
| jenda | MenZa: you pung me earlier... what was it? | 06:25 |
| MitchM | I didnt see any iamges in the wiki | 06:25 |
| MitchM | do you have a photo of what the stickers look like? | 06:25 |
| MenZa | just said hi, jenda :) | 06:25 |
| jenda | MitchM, I will tonight :) | 06:25 |
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| jenda | Aha! Hi, MenZa ;) | 06:25 |
| jenda | MitchM: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/Samolepka-NC.png | 06:26 |
| MitchM | Perfect; I will take 50? | 06:27 |
| MitchM | which will run how much? | 06:27 |
| jenda | USA? | 06:28 |
| KenSentMe | jenda: i've transfered some money to my paypal account. I'll e-mail you when i can pay. | 06:28 |
| MitchM | correct | 06:28 |
| jenda | $8 should do... | 06:28 |
| jenda | KenSentMe: great - thx | 06:29 |
| jenda | MitchM: but if you chip in $10 - I won't mind, and you might increase the probability of another batch coming :-D | 06:29 |
| MitchM | jenda: then I will make it 15 =) | 06:30 |
| jenda | Haha :) | 06:30 |
| jenda | OK, that's even better, of course. | 06:30 |
| MitchM | :) | 06:30 |
| jenda | I don't keep the profit, BTW - I can't even withdraw the money from paypal. | 06:30 |
| MitchM | if I can remember my paypal password.... | 06:30 |
| MitchM | oh the burdens of working with computer engineers | 06:31 |
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| MitchM | @ubuntu.com ? | 06:32 |
| jenda | yep | 06:33 |
| jenda | jenda@ | 06:33 |
| MitchM | and you are 15$ richer | 06:34 |
| MitchM | well at least your project is =) | 06:35 |
| jenda | hehe :) | 06:35 |
| jenda | my paypal account is. | 06:35 |
| MitchM | =p | 06:35 |
| jenda | gah | 06:35 |
| jenda | it's not | 06:35 |
| MitchM | so what design won the SpreadUbuntu contest? | 06:35 |
| jenda | it's a credit card payment, and I need a premier account for that | 06:35 |
| MitchM | lolz. | 06:36 |
| jenda | could you send it through paypal directly? | 06:36 |
| MitchM | can you cancel it? | 06:36 |
| MitchM | i'll do a bank transfer | 06:36 |
| jenda | And does that work with paypal...? | 06:36 |
| MitchM | correct. | 06:36 |
| jenda | I know eChecks do | 06:37 |
| jenda | even with a regular account | 06:37 |
| MitchM | eh direct bank transfer work fine | 06:37 |
| MitchM | I siwtched to credit card so it would tansfer faster | 06:37 |
| jenda | OK | 06:38 |
| jenda | I'm canceling it | 06:38 |
| MitchM | =) k | 06:38 |
| MitchM | see how that goes | 06:39 |
| jenda | Gotcha :) | 06:40 |
| jenda | I'll use that address then | 06:40 |
| MitchM | 1805 one should be correct | 06:40 |
| MitchM | are these stickers reflective by chance? | 06:42 |
| jenda | Nah, the paper is a bit shiny, but not reflective... | 06:42 |
| MitchM | =P would have made a good helmet sticker | 06:43 |
| MitchM | *shrugs* | 06:43 |
| jenda | OK, envelope packed and ready to go :) | 06:45 |
| MitchM | very impressive :-) | 06:45 |
| jenda | ;) | 06:46 |
| MitchM | its the extra 7$ for the expidited delivery | 06:46 |
| jenda | I have tens of orders pending, but no money yet from them, so I'm not in a hurry :) | 06:46 |
| jenda | (Nor do I have the addresses) | 06:46 |
| MitchM | hehe... suckers. | 06:46 |
| jenda | hehe.. stickers | 06:47 |
| MitchM | lol. good call | 06:47 |
| MitchM | just an announcement; and because I have no better place to declare it; | 06:47 |
| nixternal | everyone knows those crop circles are done in photoshop right? | 06:48 |
| MitchM | I offer free web hosting for all ubuntu related projects | 06:48 |
| jenda | nixternal: the firefox one? | 06:48 |
| jenda | MitchM: noted, very noted :) | 06:48 |
| MitchM | =P | 06:48 |
| MitchM | perks of working for an ISP | 06:48 |
| jenda | MitchM: would that include a simple website offering sticker shipping? | 06:48 |
| nixternal | ya jenda like the firefox one | 06:48 |
| MitchM | oh that surely that. | 06:48 |
| nixternal | search photoshop crop circles and it will teach you how to make one | 06:49 |
| jenda | (which cannot be hosted on official ubuntu sites) | 06:49 |
| MitchM | indeed it would | 06:49 |
| MitchM | if you have the domain name bought just point DNS to one of my servers and i'll configure the rest | 06:49 |
| jenda | OK, I'll work on it :) | 06:49 |
| MitchM | the only ubuntu related name I own is devubuntu.com | 06:49 |
| MitchM | so if you want a subdomain of that -- I can make it for free | 06:50 |
| jenda | I don't have a domain, but if the profit is ... ha! | 06:50 |
| jenda | Yes, that would be perfect | 06:50 |
| MitchM | stickers.devubuntu.com ? | 06:50 |
| jenda | I was thinking that one of the things the profit could be used for would be just that. | 06:50 |
| jenda | MitchM: how about diy.devubuntu.com? | 06:50 |
| MitchM | ah very good. | 06:50 |
| MitchM | sounds good. | 06:50 |
| MitchM | let me whip up an account for you real quick | 06:51 |
| jenda | That way it won't need a change if it's more than just stickers. | 06:51 |
| jenda | OK... I gotta run. | 06:53 |
| MitchM | i will e-mail you your ftp stuff | 06:53 |
| jenda | MitchM: considering the fact that I officially only have 40 stickers left (out of 1000), it's not a great hurry on the site. It'll be for the next batch. | 06:54 |
| jenda | OK, thanks. | 06:54 |
| MitchM | k | 06:54 |
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| jenda | WOW!!! | 07:08 |
| MitchM | ? | 07:08 |
| jenda | I just found out that I'm supposed to collect 1337 CZK for all the preordered NC stickers :-D | 07:08 |
| jenda | I feel so 1337 now... | 07:09 |
| MitchM | lol. | 07:09 |
| jenda | 1 f331 50 1337 0 | 07:09 |
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| jenda | I'll go ship the six envelopes on my table tomorrow morning. the office is closed now. | 07:10 |
| MitchM | ftp account is all setup for you e-mailing stuff now | 07:12 |
| jenda | Thanks a million :) | 07:15 |
| jenda | No, you don't have to make a website for me - I'll get something stitched together eventually. | 07:16 |
| MitchM | affirmative | 07:17 |
| MitchM | may want to throw in a place holder there | 07:17 |
| MitchM | just to make sure everything works | 07:17 |
| jenda | how about a pointer to wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping for now? | 07:19 |
| jenda | but it doesn't really matter, I think. No one knows it's there :) | 07:19 |
| jenda | I really have to run now. | 07:20 |
| jenda | And close the computer too... | 07:20 |
| jenda | Thanks a billion, and talk to you later | 07:20 |
| poningru | wtf | 07:21 |
| poningru | there's like no one there... | 07:21 |
| ompaul | he quit - you would never think he would give up | 07:22 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy | 07:49 |
| nixternal | there you go | 07:49 |
| mdke | nixternal: nice page. you should remove "linux" though, it looks like the name is "ubuntu linux", "kubuntu linux" etc, when that is not the case | 08:23 |
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| KenSentMe | nixternal: when i open the logo's the text is bigger than the background. The last U is partly out of the box. Do i need a special font or something? | 08:38 |
| KenSentMe | nixternal: like this: http://lab.vandenieuwenhof.nl/files/screenshot.png | 08:41 |
| nixternal | KenSentMe: type this sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title msttcorefonts | 09:01 |
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| KenSentMe | nixternal: thanks. I think you should put that in the wiki too | 09:03 |
| nixternal | i am doing that now | 09:03 |
| nixternal | thanks for the pointer | 09:04 |
| nixternal | alrighty, fixed ;) | 09:08 |
| KenSentMe | nixternal: saw it, great | 09:10 |
| nixternal | thx...i want to edit a post in the forums...i take it you can't no more..just have to do a reply i guess... | 09:11 |
| mindspin | http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=202511 | 09:50 |
| mdke | nixternal: see my msg above? | 09:58 |
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| nixternal | ya mdke, i seen it, go ahead and create v2 ;) | 10:16 |
| poningru | yarr | 10:22 |
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| MitchM | sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title msttcorefonts | 10:47 |
| MitchM | E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate | 10:47 |
| MitchM | Which repositroy is that listed in? | 10:47 |
| KenSentMe | !info msttcorefonts | 10:47 |
| KenSentMe | hmm, doesn't work here | 10:47 |
| MitchM | =) affirm | 10:47 |
| MitchM | thank you | 10:47 |
| MitchM | hehe. | 10:48 |
| KenSentMe | Thought ubotu was here too, but guess not | 10:48 |
| MitchM | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse | 10:49 |
| MitchM | should that not include that package? | 10:49 |
| MitchM | or do I add multiverse elsewhere? | 10:49 |
| KenSentMe | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe main restricted multivers | 10:50 |
| KenSentMe | like this | 10:50 |
| MitchM | so take out backports? | 10:50 |
| nixternal | there you go ;) | 10:50 |
| nixternal | MitchM: yes, since there aren't any backports open yet | 10:50 |
| MitchM | well you know what. | 10:52 |
| MitchM | that almost makes sense :) | 10:52 |
| MitchM | thanks KenSentMe | 10:53 |
| MitchM | and nixternal | 10:53 |
| MitchM | all i need is high-gloss sticky paper | 10:53 |
| MitchM | anyway to apt-get that? | 10:53 |
| nixternal | haha | 10:53 |
| nixternal | ya, staples | 10:53 |
| MitchM | lol. | 10:53 |
| MitchM | apt-get staples? | 10:53 |
| nixternal | sudo apt-get officemax | 10:53 |
| MitchM | haha | 10:53 |
| MitchM | umm will sudo apt-get walmart work? | 10:54 |
| nixternal | more like apt-get goto officemax | 10:54 |
| MitchM | =P | 10:54 |
| MitchM | if only I had one | 10:54 |
| nixternal | that might install linspire while your not watching, be careful | 10:54 |
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| nixternal | haha | 10:54 |
| nixternal | where are you at MitchM? | 10:54 |
| MitchM | Sterling, Colorado | 10:55 |
| MitchM | !info sterling, colorado | 10:55 |
| MitchM | =) | 10:55 |
| nixternal | you gotta have officemax, office depot, staples, compusa, best buy, around? | 10:55 |
| MitchM | as i would expect; nothing on it | 10:55 |
| MitchM | not any | 10:55 |
| nixternal | in the sticks then ey ;) | 10:55 |
| MitchM | Wal*Mart or Wal*Mart | 10:55 |
| nixternal | rofl | 10:55 |
| nixternal | not even target? | 10:55 |
| MitchM | Wal*Mart or Wal*Mart | 10:55 |
| MitchM | lol | 10:55 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:56 |
| nixternal | and a liquor store im sure | 10:56 |
| MitchM | how about 10? | 10:56 |
| MitchM | lol | 10:56 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 10:56 |
| nixternal | sounds like where i used to live in michigan | 10:56 |
| MitchM | hey we just got a blockbuster... we are moving up in the world. | 10:56 |
| MitchM | even though noone goes there because its too expensive | 10:56 |
| MitchM | we at least have one... | 10:56 |
| nixternal | just got aol 28.8 as well | 10:56 |
| MitchM | I used to have 28.8 lol | 10:57 |
| MitchM | lived in the town over | 10:57 |
| MitchM | Pop. 50 | 10:57 |
| nixternal | ouch | 10:57 |
| MitchM | sometimes 26.4 | 10:57 |
| MitchM | on bad days | 10:57 |
| MitchM | now I work for the local ISP | 10:57 |
| MitchM | 45Mbps =) | 10:57 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 10:57 |
| MitchM | almost pay enough in itself... | 10:57 |
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| nixternal | isp, walmart, and liquor stores...sounds like a poorly written soap opera | 10:58 |
| MitchM | lmao. | 10:58 |
| MitchM | and a blockbuster... | 10:58 |
| nixternal | or "Deliverence Part 2" | 10:58 |
| MitchM | it is indeed a poorly written soap opera | 10:58 |
| MitchM | lol. | 10:58 |
| nixternal | is it even possible to market Ubuntu out there? | 10:59 |
| MitchM | the perks of the ISP are about all that keep me here for the time being | 10:59 |
| MitchM | oh it is. | 10:59 |
| nixternal | nice | 10:59 |
| MitchM | Cheap = Marketable | 10:59 |
| nixternal | true | 10:59 |
| MitchM | Cheap = Hicks not knowing the difference | 11:00 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:00 |
| MitchM | when they cant figure out Outlook Express | 11:00 |
| MitchM | you're already at square 1 | 11:00 |
| nixternal | lol | 11:00 |
| MitchM | it'll be a whole community of Ubuntu | 11:00 |
| MitchM | with a mixture of Kubuntu | 11:00 |
| MitchM | =P | 11:00 |
| MitchM | I travel down to Denver every other week or so too | 11:01 |
| MitchM | so all is not lost | 11:01 |
| nixternal | i am trying to do the opposite...all kubuntu with a mixture of xubuntu and edubuntu, and if there is room then some ubuntu | 11:01 |
| MitchM | soudns good... | 11:01 |
| MitchM | i havnt actually installed edubuntu on any machine yet | 11:01 |
| MitchM | is it good? | 11:01 |
| MitchM | < prefers Kubuntu | 11:01 |
| nixternal | actually...i have given out more than 1000 ubuntu cd's, and like 100 kubuntu cds...i am waiting for more..but at a local install fest we did about 100 ubuntu installs, with a mixture of kubuntu here and there | 11:02 |
| MitchM | very cool | 11:02 |
| nixternal | i have a friend who is a music producer...so i get him to burn me a bunch of cds now, as shipit is having troubles trying to keep up | 11:02 |
| nixternal | so i am doing real laser etched disks with the logo, name, version, system on silver cds..so they look cool..and only cost me a couple hundred dollars to produce | 11:03 |
| nixternal | im not doing it..someone is doing it for me obviously | 11:03 |
| nixternal | they don't want me to have a laser | 11:04 |
| MitchM | =(\ | 11:04 |
| MitchM | I want a laser | 11:04 |
| MitchM | I think we had a cheapo black laser scribe aroudn here somewhere | 11:05 |
| MitchM | I could at least make silver CD's with black kubuntu symbol on it | 11:05 |
| MitchM | do they make Photoshop for linux yet =) ? | 11:08 |
| MitchM | "GIMP" blah blah blah | 11:09 |
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