[12:37] <poningru> anyone know who I can bug on the irc for shipit?
[12:37] <johnlittle> not I
[12:37] <johnlittle> there should be a backchannel shipit
[12:48] <johnlittle> check out this ubuntu box: http://mous.ath.cx/web/ventigrad/page/mous.php
[12:49] <johnlittle> It says mandriva on the page but he wrote me to tell me hes switched to Ubuntu
[12:50] <poningru> hmm
[12:51] <johnlittle> thats the guy behind the dual monitor ut2004 video i posted
[12:53] <poningru> there is not channel for shipit
[12:53] <poningru> wait what do you mean backchannel?
[12:54] <johnlittle> Not channel as in IRC but a way to make sure that active members of the community can get CDs
[12:54] <lophyte> oi, is the wiki down?
[12:55] <johnlittle> nope
[12:55] <lophyte> oh, nevermind
[12:55] <johnlittle> super fast on this side
[12:55] <johnlittle> but give it 5 minutes :)
[12:57] <lophyte> johnlittle: thanks for the link
[12:57] <johnlittle> link?
[12:57] <lophyte> your adopt a project link
[12:57] <johnlittle> ah ok lol
[12:58] <johnlittle> offensive or useful?
[12:59] <lophyte> useful.. I just have a different image of what 'team' means
[01:00] <johnlittle> It isn't quite what I expected either but the more I do the more I realize how it functions
[01:00] <johnlittle> Many people expect hierarchy with team. This is a little different
[01:01] <lophyte> well, not necessarily hierarchy
[01:01] <johnlittle> structure
[01:01] <lophyte> but at least some cohesion and collectiveness
[01:01] <johnlittle> It's there but you have to have ninja-like powers to find it
[01:01] <lophyte> this more or less works like a franchise
[01:01] <johnlittle> pretty much
[01:01] <lophyte> a bunch of people doing their own thing under a common name
[01:02] <johnlittle> Yes and no. There's a  great deal of collaboration and people will pitch in and help in many areas..but yes it's good to take initiative and do your own thing
[01:02] <johnlittle> if that makes sense
[01:03] <johnlittle> Have you ever volunteered in a disaster relief effort? It's very much like that
[01:03] <lophyte> nope
[01:03] <johnlittle> Not the best example but that's what it reminds me of
[01:05] <lophyte> I can't say I've ever been involved in anything that operate like this :P
[01:05] <lophyte> operates, even
[01:06] <johnlittle> It has it's strengths and weaknesses...but give it a chance. Look at all the great stuff it produces
[01:09] <johnlittle> If you want more of the traditional team approach you might consider getting involved with a local team..or starting one
[01:10] <lophyte> the ubuntu canada 'team' operates in much the same manner :P
[01:10] <johnlittle> canada is a big place..what about your immediate area?
[01:11] <lophyte> I don't know anyone that knows ubuntu.. I've been trying to get a few people from the ubuntu-ca mailing list to meet up in my city to do videos, as I've told you about before
[01:11] <lophyte> but that fell through because nobody followed up
[01:11] <mindspin> maybe they don#t want to appear in a video on internet ;-)
[01:12] <lophyte> they're all interested in doing video/film, which is why I initiated it
[01:12] <johnlittle> Maybe try assembling your own team - work with a local linux users group
[01:13] <mindspin> or take the chance to work decentralised and over the internet ;-)
[01:15] <johnlittle> You're on the bleeding edge so either route will probably require a bit of initiative
[01:15] <lophyte> hrm.
[01:15] <lophyte> I have initiative, its just a lack of ideas :P
[01:15] <lophyte> and/or people
[01:16] <johnlittle> I'm sure you can work up some ideas..finding like-minded people may be more difficult but it's certainly doable.
[01:16] <lophyte> well, I'd like to do a viral marketing campaign
[01:16] <lophyte> but
[01:16] <lophyte> that requires people
[01:17] <johnlittle> Can you develop web sites or blogs?
[01:17] <lophyte> yeah
[01:18] <poningru> guys do we have ubuntu tshirts yet?
[01:18] <lophyte> yes, we do
[01:18] <lophyte> well, ubuntu canada t-shirts :P
[01:18] <johnlittle> lots of viral campaigns start with just one blog. I know I get paid to do them ;)
[01:18] <mindspin> start writing a blog, get readers,  get publicity, start your viral marketing...
[01:18] <poningru> :(
[01:18] <lophyte> I was thinking more offline viral marketing
[01:19] <mindspin> how should that work?
[01:19] <lophyte> remember a few years ago when everywhere you went, you could find an AOL CD?
[01:19] <lophyte> they were *everywhere*
[01:19] <mindspin> and everybody hated aol for that
[01:20] <mindspin> so be careful because the dog may bite
[01:20] <lophyte> then how did they get so many customers and make so much money if everybody hated them?
[01:20] <johnlittle> They're failing misreably
[01:20] <lophyte> they are now
[01:20] <lophyte> but not at the time
[01:21] <lophyte> I think if you take the same approach but add a bit of moderation...
[01:21] <mindspin> at that time, everybody with a stupid idea could get money from "investors"
[01:21] <johnlittle> aol aside..what's your idea?
[01:22] <lophyte> well, basically to put together a "ubuntu street team" who would hit the streets with t-shirts and CDs and promote to the general public
[01:22] <lophyte> even if it doesn't immediately convert people, it at least exposes people to the fact that there are alternatives to Windows
[01:23] <mindspin> and singing hare krishna ...
[01:24] <johnlittle> I would suggest a post to craiglist outlining your idea..maybe point people to a blog..or a wiki page here that provides details. There are plenty of people who would go for that..especially in Canada
[01:24] <johnlittle> Are you in a major city?
[01:24] <lophyte> yup
[01:24] <lophyte> Toronto
[01:25] <johnlittle> There's no shortage of people who would joint your street team in toronto..
[01:25] <lophyte> perhaps I'll take your advice and post to craigslist and talk to people about starting a Ubuntu Toronto
[01:25] <johnlittle> join
[01:25] <mindspin> I#d guess there are some people from toronto at ubuntu channels here
[01:25] <johnlittle> You could get tons of kids on your side just with the political/open source angle alone
[01:25] <lophyte> perhaps I could talk to the guy who runs the Linux Caffe
[01:26] <johnlittle> Not perhaps..for sure
[01:26] <lophyte> they run Ubuntu there
[01:26] <lophyte> I'll put up ads for the team there and see if he'd be willing to host
[01:26] <johnlittle> A city like Toronto..that's like the holy land for street team organizers
[01:26] <lophyte> yeah
[01:27] <johnlittle> go forth and multiple
[01:27] <johnlittle> multiply
[01:27] <lophyte> this is perhaps what's "wrong" with the marketing team, for newcomers especially...
[01:28] <lophyte> there's no immediate sense of direction when you join.. that's kinda what I was hoping to find.
[01:28] <lophyte> that's, in my opinion, what a team does
[01:28] <lophyte> but like we were talking about earlier.. its more of a franchise than a team
[01:28] <johnlittle> If it was a staffed team that would be easier..but it's completley decentralized
[01:29] <johnlittle> I'd suggest posting here: http://ontario.indymedia.ca/twiki/bin/view/Toronto/WebOrgInfo
[01:29] <johnlittle> oops long url...ontario.indymedia.ca
[01:30] <johnlittle> I'm not a fan of indymedia but its a hub for lots of activism
[01:31] <lophyte> I'll post to craigslist, talk to David from the Linux Caffe, and go from there
[01:31] <johnlittle> good luck
[01:32] <lophyte> I gotta run for a bit
[01:32] <lophyte> thanks for the chat and the advice
[01:32] <johnlittle> cya
[01:54] <johnlittle> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q
[02:58] <poningru> queston guys
[02:58] <poningru> would it be ok if I start sending out press releases to ap/major newspapers?
[03:16] <johnlittle> Good question. Maybe start a wiki and draft sample letters/release that we could all give some feedback on and use ourselves. It would be another project we could direct new members to.
[03:16] <johnlittle> releases
[03:34] <johnlittle> poningru: ping
[03:34] <poningru> johnlittle: pong
[03:35] <poningru> hmm interesting idea
[03:35] <johnlittle> cool send me a link when you got something
[03:36] <poningru> actually the releases canonical puts out seem to be pretty well done
[03:36] <johnlittle> yeah..they're probably ok to reuse
[03:37] <johnlittle> what about some for local folks...an offer to drop in and do a demo for a tech columnist in the local paper..or radio shows..those kinds of letters
[03:37] <poningru> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released
[03:37] <poningru> hmm true
[03:38] <johnlittle> You could use the canonical one for sure
[03:39] <johnlittle> As long as you dont modify it in some odd way which I know you won't...like attributing all the quotes to Poningru :)
[03:39] <poningru> hehe
[03:39] <poningru> you know we need to talk to malcolm about ui faux pas for these press releases
[03:39] <poningru> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9
[03:40] <poningru> screenshots have to be 'frosted' on the edges
[03:42] <johnlittle> heh
[03:42] <johnlittle> Does canonical have any office space or is it completely virtual?
[03:43] <poningru> I think somewhere on Isle of Man
[03:44] <poningru> a tiny island off the coast of ireland and britain
[03:46] <johnlittle> but folks are mostly scattered around the globe arent they?
[03:47] <poningru> yeah thats true
[03:47] <poningru> most of the stuff is done virtually iirc
[03:48] <johnlittle> wish more companies would do that
[03:49] <poningru> arr?
[03:50] <poningru> so /me is thinking about putting together press kits
[03:50] <poningru> instead of just press releases
[03:50] <poningru> it can include a shipit cd
[03:50] <johnlittle> thats the way to do it..no sense in sending it without at least a cd
[03:51] <poningru> yeah but what else should it include though?
[03:51] <poningru> like a letter from the local lug or something informing of installfests ?
[03:51] <poningru> or where to get support?
[03:52] <poningru> the wiki monster will take care of the rest ;)
[03:52] <johnlittle> hmm it would be nice to give them a bunch of useful links in some way
[03:53] <johnlittle> media is lazy..they love to have roundups done for them
[03:54] <johnlittle> links to good reviews online, the community, cool sites..that would be good
[03:54] <poningru> hmm true
[03:55] <poningru> damn where is mathewrevell
[03:55] <johnlittle> If all that was in one place and people could email an introduction and link to media types...that would be useful
[03:56] <johnlittle> Doesnt he have this project on the list?
[03:56] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam
[03:56] <poningru> yeah
[03:56] <poningru> dont know if I should add it to that
[03:56] <poningru> johnlittle: where do you live?
[03:56] <johnlittle> Houston
[03:56] <johnlittle> Texas. USA
[03:57] <poningru> see need to know how the press works in non US areas
[03:57] <johnlittle> Not much differently..I've dealt with them globally
[03:58] <poningru> hmm
[03:58] <johnlittle> They all work on deadlines. If you can feed them a partially complete story many will run with it
[03:58] <johnlittle> A good press kit should do the work for them
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Do any of you have a standard/form press release that I could use as a baseline for writing some?
[03:59] <johnlittle> we were just talking about making that part of the wiki
[04:00] <johnlittle> the canonical one that pnngru posted is probably a good baseline
[04:00] <poningru> yeah
[04:00] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Ah.  I had the same idea a while back, but never got around to starting it. :(
[04:00] <poningru> except /me usually posts the contact on the top...
[04:00] <poningru> but apart from that, that is basically what it should look like
[04:01] <johnlittle> this would be a great project for you guys to fire up
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> True, but the ones like that only help really if you already have some idea what it is.  I think I need a more spoon-feeding explanation of what the heck this is all about.
[04:01] <johnlittle> spoon feeding is good
[04:02] <johnlittle> work in an angle they can understand...like windows spyware problem. I've found that a lot of tech journalists aren't that technical
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> It's true.  Sad, but true.
[04:03] <poningru> hehe yeah
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> I did write up a blurb for the Dapper release...I might be able to find it in my e-mails and offer it for further work.
[04:03] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> I don't know how good it is, but hey, it's something.
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> EPK?
[04:04] <johnlittle> I think the key to doing this is documenting it on the wiki so you can point new team members to it and they can jump right in
[04:04] <poningru> Electronic Press Kit
[04:04] <johnlittle> nice
[04:05] <johnlittle> Almost every online publication lists the authors email now
[04:05] <poningru> yeah I am gonna put it together like a howto for noobs
[04:08] <tonyyarusso> poningru: Would my text be useful to you at all or are you good to go?
[04:09] <poningru> link me
[04:10] <johnlittle> anyone speak spanish?
[04:11] <poningru> johnlittle: poco
[04:13] <johnlittle> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FFC2Kyfe2EE
[04:16] <poningru> err on my lappy right now... cant watch it because of no flash
[04:17] <johnlittle> ah np
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> poningru: http://home.earthlink.net/~tonyyarusso/press_release6.06
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Also on my lappy, can't watch it because dialup :(
[04:21] <poningru> nice
[04:21] <poningru> thanks
[04:26] <jenda> What am I doing on IRC at 4:20 in the morning?
[04:27] <jenda> good morning, bimberi
[04:28] <johnlittle> I've been asking myself that question a lot lately
[04:28] <bimberi> 'afternoon jenda, johnlittle
[04:28] <johnlittle> yo bimberi
[04:30] <elkbuntu> jenda, i share your pain.. now.. go :P
[04:30] <jenda> elkbuntu: I just came and you already want me to go? ;)
[04:30] <jenda> You probably have a point.
[04:31] <elkbuntu> oh.. you WOKE AT 4.20am
[04:31] <elkbuntu> o.O
[04:31] <elkbuntu> im usually not fully asleep by that time...
[04:33] <jenda> elkbuntu: no...
[04:33] <jenda> ... I came back from a party.
[04:34] <jenda> And, what's more - I'm sober.
[04:34] <johnlittle> I'm sorry
[04:35] <elkbuntu> oh my.. you poor thing
[04:35] <johnlittle> Take 4 shots of tequila and head straight to bed
[04:35] <jenda> Hehe :)
[04:35] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, shush.. the one good point is the lack of hangover tomorrow
[04:35] <jenda> Actually, that was meant to be a good thing - but as you wish 
[04:35] <jenda> Good night.
[04:35] <elkbuntu> night jenda
[04:36] <johnlittle> 4 shots of tequila when you wake...no hangover
[04:36] <johnlittle> repeat
[04:36] <johnlittle> nite
[04:36] <rjian> Helo people
[04:36] <johnlittle> yo
[04:38] <poningru> gaah
[04:39] <rjian> Hello johnlittle
[04:44] <poningru> double cheeseburger?
[04:44] <poningru> yech
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> How dare you?!
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Especially if it has bacon too...
[05:47] <johnlittle> ping: nixternal
[06:03] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, ubuntuvideo has so far given the counter 18354 hits
[06:03] <johnlittle> wow
[06:04] <johnlittle> It's off to a decent start
[06:09] <johnlittle> Just got an email from Cory Doctorow
[06:09] <johnlittle> hes making the switch from Mac to Ubuntu
[06:10] <elkbuntu> who's that?
[06:12] <poningru> johnlittle: uh...
[06:12] <poningru> cory made the switch a while ago
[06:12] <johnlittle> No. It took him months to get his Lenovo laptop
[06:13] <johnlittle> Hes exporting his mac data now and getting ready to make the switch
[06:13] <johnlittle> I guess that explains why we haven't seen any followup posts.
[06:14] <poningru> http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/29/mark_pilgrims_list_o.html
[06:14] <poningru> oh
[06:14] <poningru> did not know that
[06:14] <johnlittle> I didn't either until the email arrived a minute ago :)
[06:14] <johnlittle> Not much you can do about a backordered lenovo
[06:15] <johnlittle> I hope it goes well. It will be a very high profile failure or success
[06:16] <nixternal> whats up johnlittle?
[06:17] <johnlittle> bad link on fridge
[06:19] <poningru> damn #ubuntu is getting some high traffic
[06:19] <poningru> they need help badly
[07:01] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK#preview
[07:01] <poningru> and go
[07:15] <Madpilot> nixternal, cool article on the NUN at linux.com
[07:15] <nixternal> thanks!
[07:15] <nixternal> oh wait, i didn't write it, i just participated ;)
[08:44] <KenSentMe> Good morning
[10:19] <jenda> Morning
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[10:22] <mindspin> morning lads
[10:31] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[10:32] <poningru> llo
[10:32] <poningru> anyone wanna work on this?
[10:32] <poningru> /MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK
[10:33] <mindspin> whats EPK?
[10:34] <mindspin> Press Team is the place where I would feel best....
[10:35] <jenda> has there ever been anything I didn't want to work on?
[10:36] <poningru> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK
[10:36] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK
[10:36] <poningru> scratch that
[10:36] <poningru> yeah what he said
[10:36] <mindspin> ;-)
[10:36] <poningru> my bad
[10:37] <mindspin> poningru: I'll spend some time on it today....
[10:38] <poningru> ooh thanks
[10:38] <mdke> nice
[10:38] <mindspin> we should add some words about identifying the key journalists and a small "how to reach them"
[10:39] <poningru> oh doh
[10:39] <poningru> yah I was gonna add which editor etc. to contact
[10:39] <mindspin> say "always call them first on phone and ask them about....
[10:40] <poningru> mdke: thanks :)
[10:40] <poningru> mindspin: hmm /me wonders where to put that on there
[10:40] <mindspin> at the start
[10:40] <mindspin> as a kind of "preface"
[10:40] <poningru> true
[10:41] <mindspin> and we should add a subpage to give help about PR at all
[10:41] <mindspin> I woulsd do some about this too, if wanted
[10:42] <mindspin> but not before 3pm cet ;-)
[10:42] <mindspin> got to work a bit...
[10:43] <poningru> hehe its quarter till 5 in the morn here
[10:43] <mindspin> 10:42 here
[10:45] <mindspin> first I have to work over some articles here for work...
[10:51] <poningru> gl
[10:51] <matthewrevell> jenda: Got enough stickers left to be mentioned in a Fridge article?
[10:52] <poningru> matthewrevell: !!!
[10:54] <matthewrevell> poningru: ?
[10:55] <poningru> matthewrevell: needed your help with the press kit howto
[10:57] <matthewrevell> poningru: Cool. Can you post something to the mailing list?
[10:57] <matthewrevell> poningru: I can't hover in irc much today :(
[10:57] <poningru> oh true
[10:57] <poningru> its cool
[10:57] <poningru> mailing list would probably be best anyway
[10:58] <matthewrevell> poningru: Plus, if you're doing stuff, it'll be great to get some balance on the mailing list between "mad ideas" and "stuff to do" :)
[10:58] <poningru> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK
[10:58] <poningru> btw
[10:59] <matthewrevell> poningru: Cool. Nice one. Maybe involve some loco teams?
[10:59] <matthewrevell> Anyway, sorry, I gotta shoot off, unless jenda is around.
[11:01] <ompaul> what did off ever do on you matthewrevell ?
[11:03] <mindspin> and jenda
[11:03] <poningru> rofl
[11:04] <mindspin> jenda beware
[12:13] <jenda> matthewrevell: I'm not sure - it seems that the preordered ones won't all be shipped, but I need to wait a little longer on the folks who haven't answered yet...
[12:13] <jenda> But I might make another batch if they _do_ answer.
[12:14] <jenda> In fact, i think I will, if at least the price is covered.
[12:42] <MenZa> Hullo.
[02:50] <KenSentMe> Hmm, my shipit request is rejected
[02:50] <KenSentMe> Are they running out of cd's ?
[02:52] <matthewrevell> We had a similar discussion yesterday.
[02:52] <matthewrevell> Have you had a lot of CDs recently?
[02:52] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: that's why i posted it. I've had ten in pre-order
[02:53] <KenSentMe> So that's probably too much
[03:01] <mdke> if you've ordered more than one set, you should probably contact them to tell them why more are necessary
[03:06] <KenSentMe> What's with the Ubuntu DVD on Amazon.com. Does it include most repo packages or both Gnome and KDE?
[03:07] <KenSentMe> mdke: i think so. Maybe i will do that, but i don't think 'i ran out of cd's ' counts as a legitimate reason
[03:08] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Depends what you were doing with the CDs.
[03:08] <matthewrevell> :)
[03:09] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: i want to make a movie like the one johnlittle posted ;)
[03:10] <KenSentMe> THis one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q
[03:10] <KenSentMe> Looking at this movie i understand why they are not to eager to ship lot's of cd's to one person
[03:14] <matthewrevell> That YouTube video: what a child
[03:15] <KenSentMe> really sad
[03:18] <elkbuntu> i think we need to take some marketing advice from firefox people
[03:18] <elkbuntu> anyone got a spare crop field?
[03:19] <KenSentMe> i still have to mowe my grass
[03:19] <matthewrevell> I was thinking more along the lines of shining the logo onto landmarks... Would have to think of the implications, tho
[03:21] <elkbuntu> matthewrevell, huge ass light to the sky, batman style
[03:22] <KenSentMe> maybe the ubuntu-marketing team can hire an 'Ubuntuman' for this
[03:22] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Hmmm :)
[03:23] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Holy, erm, oh I dunno.
[03:23] <elkbuntu> lol
[03:27] <elkbuntu> well, shining lights against the night sky doesnt really infringe laws afaik...
[03:28] <KenSentMe> well, i wouldn't be surprised if it does in my country
[03:42] <elkbuntu> it depends where and how you do it
[03:42] <elkbuntu> from street level would cause probs, but from a skyscraper rooftop, it wouldnt, unless the landlord didnt like the idea
[03:43] <KenSentMe> i'll try from my house then :p
[03:50] <digitalmouse> I've been sticking ubuntu stickers where I can - latest place was on my recumbent trike, and already 3 people were asking 'where can I get Ubuntu?'  :-)
[03:50] <digitalmouse> but now I'm out of stickers :-(
[03:51] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: the ones i got are not wheater proof, where did you get yours? Jenda?
[03:55] <digitalmouse> no- just the ones that came with my last order of ubuntu cds (no kubuntu stickers I noticed)
[03:55] <digitalmouse> a month or so ago
[03:55] <digitalmouse> the recumbent has a good surface for stickers, so it should hold up under the weather
[03:57] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: well, i used the same stickers and they stick to my car, but the sticker itself just doesn't survive
[04:01] <mindspin> digitalmouse: you can order them there:http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30&Itemid=32
[04:01] <mindspin> although I would not
[04:04] <KenSentMe> mindspin: why not?
[04:04] <mindspin> for personal reasons  that should not be discussed here
[04:05] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I made have misread you but are you sticking Ubuntu stickers at random public places?
[04:12] <matthewrevell> s/made/may
[04:27] <digitalmouse> matthew: yes, but with permission of course
[04:28] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: cool :)
[04:33] <digitalmouse> except in the few cases where it is common to put up stickers on public billboards.  we also have a few 'poles' that people use to advertise concerts/parties/events... also good places to stick ubuntu stickers at eye-level
[04:34] <digitalmouse> but I don't overdo-it.
[04:39] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I think so long as we avoid illegal stickering, then getting the logo and name in front of people is a good thing.
[04:45] <digitalmouse> agreed
[04:47] <digitalmouse> I've also considered putting up a little CD stand filled with the freebie ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs and place them in local computer/retail shops, but until the backlog clears and I can start receiving CDs again (or atleast no more rejections) then this idea will have to wait a while.
[05:13] <MitchM> I would like to get some stickers; if for nothing more than personal advertisement; is there a store that ships to/in USA that anyone knows of?
[05:21] <matthewrevell> You can get a free case sticker from System76
[05:21] <matthewrevell> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/502
[05:34] <digitalmouse> interesting...
[05:36] <digitalmouse> now all we need is a European distributor for those.
[06:05] <jenda> digitalmouse: you can get a free sticker from me... if you can send me a stamped envelope that will get it back to you. I'm not sure how you could stamp it so that the Czech post office would accept the payment.
[06:05] <jenda> MitchM: still there?
[06:05] <jenda> I ship to the US
[06:08] <KenSentMe> jenda: how do your stickers look like?
[06:08] <KenSentMe> jenda: hmm, bad english
[06:08] <KenSentMe> jenda: s/how/what
[06:09] <jenda> KenSentMe: have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping
[06:11] <KenSentMe> jenda: i don't see any images of the stickers there, should i?
[06:11] <jenda> really?
[06:12] <mindspin> wait a moment, they showed up here
[06:12] <jenda> ah, they are external, and the server is a little slow.
[06:12] <KenSentMe> jenda: i see, the wiki tries to load them, but it doesn't work. I don't see them
[06:13] <KenSentMe> Now i do
[06:13] <jenda> yep
[06:13] <KenSentMe> jenda: how much do they cost?
[06:14] <KenSentMe> And are they weather proof?
[06:15] <jenda> KenSentMe: They are very sturdy - haven't tested outdoors.
[06:15] <MitchM> i am sorry jenda
[06:15] <MitchM> tech support through the roof this morning =)
[06:15] <jenda> And it's $3 for 10 pcs
[06:15] <jenda> $5 for 20...
[06:15] <jenda> etc.
[06:15] <jenda> $15 for 100 is the largest order I had so far.
[06:16] <KenSentMe> jenda: i want 20, how can i order them?
[06:16] <jenda> email me
[06:16] <jenda> @ubuntu.com
[06:16] <jenda> and if you send me your address, and pay through paypal - i'll be sending the first shipment very soon.
[06:17] <KenSentMe> How does it cost to send them, or is that included?
[06:17] <KenSentMe> How much i mean
[06:17] <jenda> included
[06:18] <KenSentMe> cool
[06:18] <jenda> if you leave a tip to make sure the shipping is covered, it'll be appreciated - but the $5 should be enough for me to ship.
[06:19] <jenda> MitchM: Are you interested too?
[06:19] <KenSentMe> Do you have any idea how much it costs to ship them to the netherlands?
[06:20] <KenSentMe> And what is your paypal account?
[06:20] <jenda> same as email - jenda ubuntu com
[06:21] <jenda> I prefer not making a difference in the prices, but it won't cost more than a buck.
[06:23] <KenSentMe> Hmm, paypal only allows me to add money through my bank account and not with a credit card
[06:24] <MitchM> Jenda: I am interested
[06:25] <jenda> MenZa: you pung me earlier... what was it?
[06:25] <MitchM> I didnt see any iamges in the wiki
[06:25] <MitchM> do you have a photo of what the stickers look like?
[06:25] <MenZa> just said hi, jenda :)
[06:25] <jenda> MitchM, I will tonight :)
[06:25] <jenda> Aha! Hi, MenZa ;)
[06:26] <jenda> MitchM: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/Samolepka-NC.png
[06:27] <MitchM> Perfect; I will take 50?
[06:27] <MitchM> which will run how much?
[06:28] <jenda> USA?
[06:28] <KenSentMe> jenda: i've transfered some money to my paypal account. I'll e-mail you when i can pay.
[06:28] <MitchM> correct
[06:28] <jenda> $8 should do...
[06:29] <jenda> KenSentMe: great - thx
[06:29] <jenda> MitchM: but if you chip in $10 - I won't mind, and you might increase the probability of another batch coming :-D
[06:30] <MitchM> jenda: then I will make it 15 =)
[06:30] <jenda> Haha :)
[06:30] <jenda> OK, that's even better, of course.
[06:30] <MitchM> :)
[06:30] <jenda> I don't keep the profit, BTW - I can't even withdraw the money from paypal.
[06:30] <MitchM> if I can remember my paypal password....
[06:31] <MitchM> oh the burdens of working with computer engineers
[06:32] <MitchM> @ubuntu.com ?
[06:33] <jenda> yep
[06:33] <jenda> jenda@
[06:34] <MitchM> and you are 15$ richer
[06:35] <MitchM> well at least your project is =)
[06:35] <jenda> hehe :)
[06:35] <jenda> my paypal account is.
[06:35] <MitchM> =p
[06:35] <jenda> gah
[06:35] <jenda> it's not
[06:35] <MitchM> so what design won the SpreadUbuntu contest?
[06:35] <jenda> it's a credit card payment, and I need a premier account for that
[06:36] <MitchM> lolz.
[06:36] <jenda> could you send it through paypal directly?
[06:36] <MitchM> can you cancel it?
[06:36] <MitchM> i'll do a bank transfer
[06:36] <jenda> And does that work with paypal...?
[06:36] <MitchM> correct.
[06:37] <jenda> I know eChecks do
[06:37] <jenda> even with a regular account
[06:37] <MitchM> eh direct bank transfer work fine
[06:37] <MitchM> I siwtched to credit card so it would tansfer faster
[06:38] <jenda> OK
[06:38] <jenda> I'm canceling it
[06:38] <MitchM> =) k
[06:39] <MitchM> see how that goes
[06:40] <jenda> Gotcha :)
[06:40] <jenda> I'll use that address then
[06:40] <MitchM> 1805 one should be correct
[06:42] <MitchM> are these stickers reflective by chance?
[06:42] <jenda> Nah, the paper is a bit shiny, but not reflective...
[06:43] <MitchM> =P would have made a good helmet sticker
[06:43] <MitchM> *shrugs*
[06:45] <jenda> OK, envelope packed and ready to go :)
[06:45] <MitchM> very impressive :-)
[06:46] <jenda> ;)
[06:46] <MitchM> its the extra 7$ for the expidited delivery
[06:46] <jenda> I have tens of orders pending, but no money yet from them, so I'm not in a hurry :)
[06:46] <jenda> (Nor do I have the addresses)
[06:46] <MitchM> hehe... suckers.
[06:47] <jenda> hehe.. stickers
[06:47] <MitchM> lol. good call
[06:47] <MitchM> just an announcement; and because I have no better place to declare it;
[06:48] <nixternal> everyone knows those crop circles are done in photoshop right?
[06:48] <MitchM> I offer free web hosting for all ubuntu related projects
[06:48] <jenda> nixternal: the firefox one?
[06:48] <jenda> MitchM: noted, very noted :)
[06:48] <MitchM> =P
[06:48] <MitchM> perks of working for an ISP
[06:48] <jenda> MitchM: would that include a simple website offering sticker shipping?
[06:48] <nixternal> ya jenda like the firefox one
[06:48] <MitchM> oh that surely that.
[06:49] <nixternal> search photoshop crop circles and it will teach you how to make one
[06:49] <jenda> (which cannot be hosted on official ubuntu sites)
[06:49] <MitchM> indeed it would
[06:49] <MitchM> if you have the domain name bought just point DNS to one of my servers and i'll configure the rest
[06:49] <jenda> OK, I'll work on it :)
[06:49] <MitchM> the only ubuntu related name I own is devubuntu.com
[06:50] <MitchM> so if you want a subdomain of that -- I can make it for free
[06:50] <jenda> I don't have a domain, but if the profit is ... ha!
[06:50] <jenda> Yes, that would be perfect
[06:50] <MitchM> stickers.devubuntu.com ?
[06:50] <jenda> I was thinking that one of the things the profit could be used for would be just that.
[06:50] <jenda> MitchM: how about diy.devubuntu.com?
[06:50] <MitchM> ah very good.
[06:50] <MitchM> sounds good.
[06:51] <MitchM> let me whip up an account for you real quick
[06:51] <jenda> That way it won't need a change if it's more than just stickers.
[06:53] <jenda> OK... I gotta run.
[06:53] <MitchM> i will e-mail you your ftp stuff
[06:54] <jenda> MitchM: considering the fact that I officially only have 40 stickers left (out of 1000), it's not a great hurry on the site. It'll be for the next batch.
[06:54] <jenda> OK, thanks.
[06:54] <MitchM> k
[07:08] <jenda> WOW!!!
[07:08] <MitchM> ?
[07:08] <jenda> I just found out that I'm supposed to collect 1337 CZK for all the preordered NC stickers :-D
[07:09] <jenda> I feel so 1337 now...
[07:09] <MitchM> lol.
[07:09] <jenda> 1 f331 50 1337 0
[07:10] <jenda> I'll go ship the six envelopes on my table tomorrow morning. the office is closed now.
[07:12] <MitchM> ftp account is all setup for you e-mailing stuff now
[07:15] <jenda> Thanks a million :)
[07:16] <jenda> No, you don't have to make a website for me - I'll get something stitched together eventually.
[07:17] <MitchM> affirmative
[07:17] <MitchM> may want to throw in a place holder there
[07:17] <MitchM> just to make sure everything works
[07:19] <jenda> how about a pointer to wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping for now?
[07:19] <jenda> but it doesn't really matter, I think. No one knows it's there :)
[07:20] <jenda> I really have to run now.
[07:20] <jenda> And close the computer too...
[07:20] <jenda> Thanks a billion, and talk to you later
[07:21] <poningru> wtf
[07:21] <poningru> there's like no one there...
[07:22] <ompaul> he quit - you would never think he would give up
[07:49] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy
[07:49] <nixternal> there you go
[08:23] <mdke> nixternal: nice page. you should remove "linux" though, it looks like the name is "ubuntu linux", "kubuntu linux" etc, when that is not the case
[08:38] <KenSentMe> nixternal: when i open the logo's the text is bigger than the background. The last U is partly out of the box. Do i need a special font or something?
[08:41] <KenSentMe> nixternal: like this: http://lab.vandenieuwenhof.nl/files/screenshot.png
[09:01] <nixternal> KenSentMe: type this                     sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title msttcorefonts
[09:03] <KenSentMe> nixternal: thanks. I think you should put that in the wiki too
[09:03] <nixternal> i am doing that now
[09:04] <nixternal> thanks for the pointer
[09:08] <nixternal> alrighty, fixed ;)
[09:10] <KenSentMe> nixternal: saw it, great
[09:11] <nixternal> thx...i want to edit a post in the forums...i take it you can't no more..just have to do a reply i guess...
[09:50] <mindspin> http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=202511
[09:58] <mdke> nixternal: see my msg above?
[10:16] <nixternal> ya mdke, i seen it, go ahead and create v2 ;)
[10:22] <poningru> yarr
[10:47] <MitchM> sudo apt-get install ttf-ubuntu-title msttcorefonts
[10:47] <MitchM> E: Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate
[10:47] <MitchM> Which repositroy is that listed in?
[10:47] <KenSentMe> !info msttcorefonts
[10:47] <KenSentMe> hmm, doesn't work here
[10:47] <MitchM> =) affirm
[10:47] <MitchM> thank you
[10:48] <MitchM> hehe.
[10:48] <KenSentMe> Thought ubotu was here too, but guess not
[10:49] <MitchM> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[10:49] <MitchM> should that not include that package?
[10:49] <MitchM> or do I add multiverse elsewhere?
[10:50] <KenSentMe> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe main restricted multivers
[10:50] <KenSentMe> like this
[10:50] <MitchM> so take out backports?
[10:50] <nixternal> there you go ;)
[10:50] <nixternal> MitchM: yes, since there aren't any backports open yet
[10:52] <MitchM> well you know what.
[10:52] <MitchM> that almost makes sense :)
[10:53] <MitchM> thanks KenSentMe
[10:53] <MitchM> and nixternal
[10:53] <MitchM> all i need is high-gloss sticky paper
[10:53] <MitchM> anyway to apt-get that?
[10:53] <nixternal> haha
[10:53] <nixternal> ya, staples
[10:53] <MitchM> lol.
[10:53] <MitchM> apt-get staples?
[10:53] <nixternal> sudo apt-get officemax
[10:53] <MitchM> haha
[10:54] <MitchM> umm will sudo apt-get walmart work?
[10:54] <nixternal> more like apt-get goto officemax
[10:54] <MitchM> =P
[10:54] <MitchM> if only I had one
[10:54] <nixternal> that might install linspire while your not watching, be careful
[10:54] <nixternal> haha
[10:54] <nixternal> where are you at MitchM?
[10:55] <MitchM> Sterling, Colorado
[10:55] <MitchM> !info sterling, colorado
[10:55] <MitchM> =)
[10:55] <nixternal> you gotta have officemax, office depot, staples, compusa, best buy, around?
[10:55] <MitchM> as i would expect; nothing on it
[10:55] <MitchM> not any
[10:55] <nixternal> in the sticks then ey ;)
[10:55] <MitchM> Wal*Mart or Wal*Mart
[10:55] <nixternal> rofl
[10:55] <nixternal> not even target?
[10:55] <MitchM> Wal*Mart or Wal*Mart
[10:55] <MitchM> lol
[10:56] <nixternal> lol
[10:56] <nixternal> and a liquor store im sure
[10:56] <MitchM> how about 10?
[10:56] <MitchM> lol
[10:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:56] <nixternal> sounds like where i used to live in michigan
[10:56] <MitchM> hey we just got a blockbuster... we are moving up in the world.
[10:56] <MitchM> even though noone goes there because its too expensive
[10:56] <MitchM> we at least have one...
[10:56] <nixternal> just got aol 28.8 as well
[10:57] <MitchM> I used to have 28.8 lol
[10:57] <MitchM> lived in the town over
[10:57] <MitchM> Pop. 50
[10:57] <nixternal> ouch
[10:57] <MitchM> sometimes 26.4
[10:57] <MitchM> on bad days
[10:57] <MitchM> now I work for the local ISP
[10:57] <MitchM> 45Mbps =)
[10:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:57] <MitchM> almost pay enough in itself...
[10:58] <nixternal> isp, walmart, and liquor stores...sounds like a poorly written soap opera
[10:58] <MitchM> lmao.
[10:58] <MitchM> and a blockbuster...
[10:58] <nixternal> or "Deliverence Part 2"
[10:58] <MitchM> it is indeed a poorly written soap opera
[10:58] <MitchM> lol.
[10:59] <nixternal> is it even possible to market Ubuntu out there?
[10:59] <MitchM> the perks of the ISP are about all that keep me here for the time being
[10:59] <MitchM> oh it is.
[10:59] <nixternal> nice
[10:59] <MitchM> Cheap = Marketable
[10:59] <nixternal> true
[11:00] <MitchM> Cheap = Hicks not knowing the difference
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe
[11:00] <MitchM> when they cant figure out Outlook Express
[11:00] <MitchM> you're already at square 1
[11:00] <nixternal> lol
[11:00] <MitchM> it'll be a whole community of Ubuntu
[11:00] <MitchM> with a mixture of Kubuntu
[11:00] <MitchM> =P
[11:01] <MitchM> I travel down to Denver every other week or so too
[11:01] <MitchM> so all is not lost
[11:01] <nixternal> i am trying to do the opposite...all kubuntu with a mixture of xubuntu and edubuntu, and if there is room then some ubuntu
[11:01] <MitchM> soudns good...
[11:01] <MitchM> i havnt actually installed edubuntu on any machine yet
[11:01] <MitchM> is it good?
[11:01] <MitchM> < prefers Kubuntu
[11:02] <nixternal> actually...i have given out more than 1000 ubuntu cd's, and like 100 kubuntu cds...i am waiting for more..but at a local install fest we did about 100 ubuntu installs, with a mixture of kubuntu here and there
[11:02] <MitchM> very cool
[11:02] <nixternal> i have a friend who is a music producer...so i get him to burn me a bunch of cds now, as shipit is having troubles trying to keep up
[11:03] <nixternal> so i am doing real laser etched disks with the logo, name, version, system on silver cds..so they look cool..and only cost me a couple hundred dollars to produce
[11:03] <nixternal> im not doing it..someone is doing it for me obviously
[11:04] <nixternal> they don't want me to have a laser
[11:04] <MitchM> =(\
[11:04] <MitchM> I want a laser
[11:05] <MitchM> I think we had a cheapo black laser scribe aroudn here somewhere
[11:05] <MitchM> I could at least make silver CD's with black kubuntu symbol on it
[11:08] <MitchM> do they make Photoshop for linux yet =) ?
[11:09] <MitchM> "GIMP" blah blah blah
[11:58] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/poweredby/PoweredByKubuntu/