=== mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FCAC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lophyte [n=dave@HSE-MTL-ppp70578.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:37] anyone know who I can bug on the irc for shipit? [12:37] not I [12:37] there should be a backchannel shipit [12:48] check out this ubuntu box: http://mous.ath.cx/web/ventigrad/page/mous.php [12:49] It says mandriva on the page but he wrote me to tell me hes switched to Ubuntu [12:50] hmm [12:51] thats the guy behind the dual monitor ut2004 video i posted === MagicFab [n=magicfab@cmo.uqam.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [12:53] there is not channel for shipit [12:53] wait what do you mean backchannel? [12:54] Not channel as in IRC but a way to make sure that active members of the community can get CDs [12:54] oi, is the wiki down? [12:55] nope [12:55] oh, nevermind [12:55] super fast on this side [12:55] but give it 5 minutes :) [12:57] johnlittle: thanks for the link [12:57] link? [12:57] your adopt a project link [12:57] ah ok lol [12:58] offensive or useful? [12:59] useful.. I just have a different image of what 'team' means [01:00] It isn't quite what I expected either but the more I do the more I realize how it functions [01:00] Many people expect hierarchy with team. This is a little different [01:01] well, not necessarily hierarchy [01:01] structure [01:01] but at least some cohesion and collectiveness [01:01] It's there but you have to have ninja-like powers to find it [01:01] this more or less works like a franchise [01:01] pretty much [01:01] a bunch of people doing their own thing under a common name [01:02] Yes and no. There's a great deal of collaboration and people will pitch in and help in many areas..but yes it's good to take initiative and do your own thing [01:02] if that makes sense [01:03] Have you ever volunteered in a disaster relief effort? It's very much like that [01:03] nope [01:03] Not the best example but that's what it reminds me of [01:05] I can't say I've ever been involved in anything that operate like this :P [01:05] operates, even [01:06] It has it's strengths and weaknesses...but give it a chance. Look at all the great stuff it produces [01:09] If you want more of the traditional team approach you might consider getting involved with a local team..or starting one [01:10] the ubuntu canada 'team' operates in much the same manner :P [01:10] canada is a big place..what about your immediate area? [01:11] I don't know anyone that knows ubuntu.. I've been trying to get a few people from the ubuntu-ca mailing list to meet up in my city to do videos, as I've told you about before [01:11] but that fell through because nobody followed up [01:11] maybe they don#t want to appear in a video on internet ;-) [01:12] they're all interested in doing video/film, which is why I initiated it [01:12] Maybe try assembling your own team - work with a local linux users group [01:13] or take the chance to work decentralised and over the internet ;-) [01:15] You're on the bleeding edge so either route will probably require a bit of initiative [01:15] hrm. [01:15] I have initiative, its just a lack of ideas :P [01:15] and/or people [01:16] I'm sure you can work up some ideas..finding like-minded people may be more difficult but it's certainly doable. [01:16] well, I'd like to do a viral marketing campaign [01:16] but [01:16] that requires people [01:17] Can you develop web sites or blogs? [01:17] yeah [01:18] guys do we have ubuntu tshirts yet? [01:18] yes, we do [01:18] well, ubuntu canada t-shirts :P [01:18] lots of viral campaigns start with just one blog. I know I get paid to do them ;) [01:18] start writing a blog, get readers, get publicity, start your viral marketing... [01:18] :( [01:18] I was thinking more offline viral marketing [01:19] how should that work? [01:19] remember a few years ago when everywhere you went, you could find an AOL CD? [01:19] they were *everywhere* [01:19] and everybody hated aol for that [01:20] so be careful because the dog may bite [01:20] then how did they get so many customers and make so much money if everybody hated them? [01:20] They're failing misreably === MitchM [n=mitch@bouncer.kci.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:20] they are now [01:20] but not at the time [01:21] I think if you take the same approach but add a bit of moderation... [01:21] at that time, everybody with a stupid idea could get money from "investors" [01:21] aol aside..what's your idea? [01:22] well, basically to put together a "ubuntu street team" who would hit the streets with t-shirts and CDs and promote to the general public === mindspin activates sarcasm mode [01:22] even if it doesn't immediately convert people, it at least exposes people to the fact that there are alternatives to Windows [01:23] and singing hare krishna ... === mindspin turns sarcasm mode off [01:24] I would suggest a post to craiglist outlining your idea..maybe point people to a blog..or a wiki page here that provides details. There are plenty of people who would go for that..especially in Canada [01:24] Are you in a major city? [01:24] yup [01:24] Toronto [01:25] There's no shortage of people who would joint your street team in toronto.. [01:25] perhaps I'll take your advice and post to craigslist and talk to people about starting a Ubuntu Toronto [01:25] join [01:25] I#d guess there are some people from toronto at ubuntu channels here [01:25] You could get tons of kids on your side just with the political/open source angle alone [01:25] perhaps I could talk to the guy who runs the Linux Caffe [01:26] Not perhaps..for sure [01:26] they run Ubuntu there [01:26] I'll put up ads for the team there and see if he'd be willing to host [01:26] A city like Toronto..that's like the holy land for street team organizers [01:26] yeah [01:27] go forth and multiple [01:27] multiply [01:27] this is perhaps what's "wrong" with the marketing team, for newcomers especially... [01:28] there's no immediate sense of direction when you join.. that's kinda what I was hoping to find. [01:28] that's, in my opinion, what a team does [01:28] but like we were talking about earlier.. its more of a franchise than a team [01:28] If it was a staffed team that would be easier..but it's completley decentralized [01:29] I'd suggest posting here: http://ontario.indymedia.ca/twiki/bin/view/Toronto/WebOrgInfo [01:29] oops long url...ontario.indymedia.ca [01:30] I'm not a fan of indymedia but its a hub for lots of activism [01:31] I'll post to craigslist, talk to David from the Linux Caffe, and go from there [01:31] good luck [01:32] I gotta run for a bit [01:32] thanks for the chat and the advice [01:32] cya === johnlittle goes hunting for dinner and caffine === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [01:54] http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q [02:58] queston guys [02:58] would it be ok if I start sending out press releases to ap/major newspapers? [03:16] Good question. Maybe start a wiki and draft sample letters/release that we could all give some feedback on and use ourselves. It would be another project we could direct new members to. [03:16] releases [03:34] poningru: ping [03:34] johnlittle: pong [03:35] hmm interesting idea === poningru goes to make wiki [03:35] cool send me a link when you got something [03:36] actually the releases canonical puts out seem to be pretty well done [03:36] yeah..they're probably ok to reuse [03:37] what about some for local folks...an offer to drop in and do a demo for a tech columnist in the local paper..or radio shows..those kinds of letters [03:37] http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released [03:37] hmm true [03:38] You could use the canonical one for sure [03:39] As long as you dont modify it in some odd way which I know you won't...like attributing all the quotes to Poningru :) [03:39] hehe [03:39] you know we need to talk to malcolm about ui faux pas for these press releases [03:39] http://www.ubuntu.com/news/opera9 [03:40] screenshots have to be 'frosted' on the edges [03:42] heh [03:42] Does canonical have any office space or is it completely virtual? [03:43] I think somewhere on Isle of Man [03:44] a tiny island off the coast of ireland and britain [03:46] but folks are mostly scattered around the globe arent they? [03:47] yeah thats true [03:47] most of the stuff is done virtually iirc [03:48] wish more companies would do that [03:49] arr? [03:50] so /me is thinking about putting together press kits === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@dialup-4.158.204.35.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:50] instead of just press releases [03:50] it can include a shipit cd [03:50] thats the way to do it..no sense in sending it without at least a cd [03:51] yeah but what else should it include though? [03:51] like a letter from the local lug or something informing of installfests ? [03:51] or where to get support? === poningru will just put those stuff in the wiki [03:52] the wiki monster will take care of the rest ;) [03:52] hmm it would be nice to give them a bunch of useful links in some way [03:53] media is lazy..they love to have roundups done for them === johnlittle deals with them all the time [03:54] links to good reviews online, the community, cool sites..that would be good [03:54] hmm true [03:55] damn where is mathewrevell [03:55] If all that was in one place and people could email an introduction and link to media types...that would be useful [03:56] Doesnt he have this project on the list? [03:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam [03:56] yeah [03:56] dont know if I should add it to that [03:56] johnlittle: where do you live? [03:56] Houston [03:56] Texas. USA [03:57] see need to know how the press works in non US areas === poningru sends press releases to the assignment editor usually [03:57] Not much differently..I've dealt with them globally [03:58] hmm [03:58] They all work on deadlines. If you can feed them a partially complete story many will run with it [03:58] A good press kit should do the work for them [03:59] Do any of you have a standard/form press release that I could use as a baseline for writing some? [03:59] we were just talking about making that part of the wiki [04:00] the canonical one that pnngru posted is probably a good baseline [04:00] yeah [04:00] http://www.ubuntu.com/news/606released [04:00] Ah. I had the same idea a while back, but never got around to starting it. :( [04:00] except /me usually posts the contact on the top... [04:00] but apart from that, that is basically what it should look like [04:01] this would be a great project for you guys to fire up [04:01] True, but the ones like that only help really if you already have some idea what it is. I think I need a more spoon-feeding explanation of what the heck this is all about. [04:01] spoon feeding is good [04:02] work in an angle they can understand...like windows spyware problem. I've found that a lot of tech journalists aren't that technical [04:03] It's true. Sad, but true. [04:03] hehe yeah [04:03] I did write up a blurb for the Dapper release...I might be able to find it in my e-mails and offer it for further work. [04:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK === poningru is gonna create this [04:03] I don't know how good it is, but hey, it's something. [04:03] EPK? [04:04] I think the key to doing this is documenting it on the wiki so you can point new team members to it and they can jump right in [04:04] Electronic Press Kit [04:04] nice [04:05] Almost every online publication lists the authors email now [04:05] yeah I am gonna put it together like a howto for noobs === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:08] poningru: Would my text be useful to you at all or are you good to go? === poningru will most def appreciate your text [04:09] link me [04:10] anyone speak spanish? [04:11] johnlittle: poco === poningru had couple of years of spanish in hs [04:13] http://youtube.com/watch?v=FFC2Kyfe2EE [04:16] err on my lappy right now... cant watch it because of no flash [04:17] ah np === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:18] poningru: http://home.earthlink.net/~tonyyarusso/press_release6.06 [04:19] Also on my lappy, can't watch it because dialup :( [04:21] nice [04:21] thanks [04:26] What am I doing on IRC at 4:20 in the morning? === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:27] good morning, bimberi [04:28] I've been asking myself that question a lot lately [04:28] 'afternoon jenda, johnlittle [04:28] yo bimberi === zen-afk [n=zenrox@pool-71-120-239-162.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:30] jenda, i share your pain.. now.. go :P [04:30] elkbuntu: I just came and you already want me to go? ;) [04:30] You probably have a point. [04:31] oh.. you WOKE AT 4.20am [04:31] o.O [04:31] im usually not fully asleep by that time... [04:33] elkbuntu: no... [04:33] ... I came back from a party. [04:34] And, what's more - I'm sober. [04:34] I'm sorry [04:35] oh my.. you poor thing [04:35] Take 4 shots of tequila and head straight to bed [04:35] Hehe :) === rjian [n=Bxserv@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:35] johnlittle, shush.. the one good point is the lack of hangover tomorrow [04:35] Actually, that was meant to be a good thing - but as you wish [04:35] Good night. [04:35] night jenda [04:36] 4 shots of tequila when you wake...no hangover [04:36] repeat [04:36] nite [04:36] Helo people [04:36] yo [04:38] gaah [04:39] Hello johnlittle === johnlittle is off hunting the elusive double cheeseburger [04:44] double cheeseburger? [04:44] yech [04:49] How dare you?! [04:49] Especially if it has bacon too... === rjia1 [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjia1 is now known as rjian [05:47] ping: nixternal [06:03] johnlittle, ubuntuvideo has so far given the counter 18354 hits [06:03] wow [06:04] It's off to a decent start [06:09] Just got an email from Cory Doctorow [06:09] hes making the switch from Mac to Ubuntu [06:10] who's that? === VforVendetta [n=hybrid@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [06:12] johnlittle: uh... [06:12] cory made the switch a while ago [06:12] No. It took him months to get his Lenovo laptop [06:13] Hes exporting his mac data now and getting ready to make the switch [06:13] I guess that explains why we haven't seen any followup posts. [06:14] http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/29/mark_pilgrims_list_o.html [06:14] oh [06:14] did not know that [06:14] I didn't either until the email arrived a minute ago :) === poningru wonders why he didnt ask for help [06:14] Not much you can do about a backordered lenovo [06:15] I hope it goes well. It will be a very high profile failure or success [06:16] whats up johnlittle? [06:17] bad link on fridge [06:19] damn #ubuntu is getting some high traffic [06:19] they need help badly === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK#preview [07:01] and go === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:15] nixternal, cool article on the NUN at linux.com [07:15] thanks! [07:15] oh wait, i didn't write it, i just participated ;) === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-70.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === rjian [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spiral777 [n=spiral@ip70-186-103-228.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === spiral777 [n=spiral@ip70-186-103-228.ma.dl.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [08:44] Good morning === rjian [n=IHMC@203.87.182.102] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === matthewrevell [i=synchron@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FE0D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:19] Morning [10:21] hi mate [10:22] morning lads === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481DDF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [10:31] greetings programs! [10:32] llo [10:32] anyone wanna work on this? [10:32] /MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK === poningru looks at jenda [10:33] whats EPK? [10:34] Press Team is the place where I would feel best.... === jenda looks back at poningru [10:35] has there ever been anything I didn't want to work on? [10:36] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/PressTeam/EPK [10:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK [10:36] scratch that [10:36] yeah what he said [10:36] ;-) [10:36] my bad [10:37] poningru: I'll spend some time on it today.... [10:38] ooh thanks [10:38] nice [10:38] we should add some words about identifying the key journalists and a small "how to reach them" [10:39] oh doh [10:39] yah I was gonna add which editor etc. to contact [10:39] say "always call them first on phone and ask them about.... [10:40] mdke: thanks :) [10:40] mindspin: hmm /me wonders where to put that on there [10:40] at the start [10:40] as a kind of "preface" [10:40] true [10:41] and we should add a subpage to give help about PR at all [10:41] I woulsd do some about this too, if wanted [10:42] but not before 3pm cet ;-) [10:42] got to work a bit... [10:43] hehe its quarter till 5 in the morn here [10:43] 10:42 here [10:45] first I have to work over some articles here for work... [10:51] gl [10:51] jenda: Got enough stickers left to be mentioned in a Fridge article? [10:52] matthewrevell: !!! [10:54] poningru: ? [10:55] matthewrevell: needed your help with the press kit howto [10:57] poningru: Cool. Can you post something to the mailing list? [10:57] poningru: I can't hover in irc much today :( [10:57] oh true [10:57] its cool [10:57] mailing list would probably be best anyway [10:58] poningru: Plus, if you're doing stuff, it'll be great to get some balance on the mailing list between "mad ideas" and "stuff to do" :) [10:58] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PressTeam/EPK [10:58] btw [10:59] poningru: Cool. Nice one. Maybe involve some loco teams? [10:59] Anyway, sorry, I gotta shoot off, unless jenda is around. [11:01] what did off ever do on you matthewrevell ? [11:03] and jenda [11:03] rofl [11:04] jenda beware === astopy [n=adam@taurus.moosoft.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MenZa [n=menza@0x503ea710.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda peeks in === jenda runs [12:13] matthewrevell: I'm not sure - it seems that the preordered ones won't all be shipped, but I need to wait a little longer on the folks who haven't answered yet... [12:13] But I might make another batch if they _do_ answer. [12:14] In fact, i think I will, if at least the price is covered. === jenda runs off === digitalmouse wonders what Jenda is running from === MenZa prods jenda [12:42] Hullo. === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481DDF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === MagicFab [n=magicfab@modemcable113.78-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === MagicFab [n=magicfab@modemcable113.78-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:50] Hmm, my shipit request is rejected [02:50] Are they running out of cd's ? [02:52] We had a similar discussion yesterday. [02:52] Have you had a lot of CDs recently? [02:52] matthewrevell: that's why i posted it. I've had ten in pre-order [02:53] So that's probably too much [03:01] if you've ordered more than one set, you should probably contact them to tell them why more are necessary [03:06] What's with the Ubuntu DVD on Amazon.com. Does it include most repo packages or both Gnome and KDE? === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481DDF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:07] mdke: i think so. Maybe i will do that, but i don't think 'i ran out of cd's ' counts as a legitimate reason [03:08] KenSentMe: Depends what you were doing with the CDs. [03:08] :) [03:09] matthewrevell: i want to make a movie like the one johnlittle posted ;) [03:10] THis one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q [03:10] Looking at this movie i understand why they are not to eager to ship lot's of cd's to one person [03:14] That YouTube video: what a child [03:15] really sad [03:18] i think we need to take some marketing advice from firefox people [03:18] anyone got a spare crop field? [03:19] i still have to mowe my grass [03:19] I was thinking more along the lines of shining the logo onto landmarks... Would have to think of the implications, tho [03:21] matthewrevell, huge ass light to the sky, batman style [03:22] maybe the ubuntu-marketing team can hire an 'Ubuntuman' for this [03:22] elkbuntu: Hmmm :) [03:23] elkbuntu: Holy, erm, oh I dunno. [03:23] lol [03:27] well, shining lights against the night sky doesnt really infringe laws afaik... [03:28] well, i wouldn't be surprised if it does in my country [03:42] it depends where and how you do it [03:42] from street level would cause probs, but from a skyscraper rooftop, it wouldnt, unless the landlord didnt like the idea [03:43] i'll try from my house then :p [03:50] I've been sticking ubuntu stickers where I can - latest place was on my recumbent trike, and already 3 people were asking 'where can I get Ubuntu?' :-) [03:50] but now I'm out of stickers :-( [03:51] digitalmouse: the ones i got are not wheater proof, where did you get yours? Jenda? [03:55] no- just the ones that came with my last order of ubuntu cds (no kubuntu stickers I noticed) [03:55] a month or so ago [03:55] the recumbent has a good surface for stickers, so it should hold up under the weather [03:57] digitalmouse: well, i used the same stickers and they stick to my car, but the sticker itself just doesn't survive [04:01] digitalmouse: you can order them there:http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30&Itemid=32 [04:01] although I would not [04:04] mindspin: why not? [04:04] for personal reasons that should not be discussed here [04:05] digitalmouse: I made have misread you but are you sticking Ubuntu stickers at random public places? [04:12] s/made/may === hybrid [n=x@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:27] matthew: yes, but with permission of course [04:28] digitalmouse: cool :) [04:33] except in the few cases where it is common to put up stickers on public billboards. we also have a few 'poles' that people use to advertise concerts/parties/events... also good places to stick ubuntu stickers at eye-level [04:34] but I don't overdo-it. [04:39] digitalmouse: I think so long as we avoid illegal stickering, then getting the logo and name in front of people is a good thing. [04:45] agreed [04:47] I've also considered putting up a little CD stand filled with the freebie ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs and place them in local computer/retail shops, but until the backlog clears and I can start receiving CDs again (or atleast no more rejections) then this idea will have to wait a while. [05:13] I would like to get some stickers; if for nothing more than personal advertisement; is there a store that ships to/in USA that anyone knows of? [05:21] You can get a free case sticker from System76 [05:21] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/502 [05:34] interesting... [05:36] now all we need is a European distributor for those. === digitalmouse leaves the office for home [06:05] digitalmouse: you can get a free sticker from me... if you can send me a stamped envelope that will get it back to you. I'm not sure how you could stamp it so that the Czech post office would accept the payment. [06:05] MitchM: still there? [06:05] I ship to the US [06:08] jenda: how do your stickers look like? [06:08] jenda: hmm, bad english [06:08] jenda: s/how/what [06:09] KenSentMe: have a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping [06:11] jenda: i don't see any images of the stickers there, should i? [06:11] really? [06:12] wait a moment, they showed up here [06:12] ah, they are external, and the server is a little slow. [06:12] jenda: i see, the wiki tries to load them, but it doesn't work. I don't see them [06:13] Now i do [06:13] yep [06:13] jenda: how much do they cost? [06:14] And are they weather proof? [06:15] KenSentMe: They are very sturdy - haven't tested outdoors. [06:15] i am sorry jenda [06:15] tech support through the roof this morning =) [06:15] And it's $3 for 10 pcs [06:15] $5 for 20... [06:15] etc. [06:15] $15 for 100 is the largest order I had so far. [06:16] jenda: i want 20, how can i order them? [06:16] email me [06:16] @ubuntu.com [06:16] and if you send me your address, and pay through paypal - i'll be sending the first shipment very soon. [06:17] How does it cost to send them, or is that included? [06:17]