[02:48] <poningru> @schedule eastern
[02:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Aug 16:00: Technical Board
[01:01] <rodarvus> @now Sao_Paulo
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Sao_Paulo: August 16 2006, 08:01:45 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 8 hours 58 minutes
[02:53] <jsgotangco> @schedule manila
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Manila: 17 Aug 04:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Aug 04:00: Technical Board
[02:53] <jsgotangco> YAY
[02:54] <simira> @schedule oslo
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Oslo: 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[02:54] <simira> @schedule wiesbaden
[02:54] <simira> @schedule frankfurt
[02:55] <azeem> try Berlin
[02:56] <ogra> yeah, germany is somehow reduced to it ... :)
[02:57] <azeem> @schedule Munich
[02:57] <azeem> outrageious
[02:57] <simira> @schedule berlin
[02:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[02:59] <rodarvus> ogra, well, according to timezones, brazil is reduced to Sao_Paulo
[03:00] <jsgotangco> imperial capitals!
[03:00] <rodarvus> (I think brazil is at least about 10-15x bigger than Germany ;)
[03:00] <azeem> probably Sao Paulo is 10-15x bigger than Berlin as well
[03:03] <rodarvus> nah, berlin is rather big (3.5 million habitants)
[03:04] <rodarvus> Sao Paulo only has 17 million habitants :D
[03:04] <licio> oO
[04:12] <zul> @schedule montreal
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 16 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 17 Aug 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Aug 16:00: Technical Board
[04:13] <nalioth> @now
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 16 2006, 14:14:03 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 5 hours 45 minutes
[09:44] <highvoltage> @schedule johannesburg
[09:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 16 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 18 Aug 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 24 Aug 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board
[09:57] <sbalneav> So, where's the doughnuts?
[09:57] <sbalneav> Not a proper meeting without doughnuts
[09:58] <sbalneav> Ah, perfect.
[09:58] <cbx33> sbalneav, and to drink sir?
[09:58] <cbx33> we have a very rich '68
[09:58] <sbalneav> Ummmm.... Coffee.  Double Double.
[09:58] <cbx33> hehe
[09:58] <cbx33> coming right up
[09:59] <sbalneav> Thank you.  Service here is excellent.  I'll be back.
[09:59] <RichEd> hi ... back in 2 mins ...
[09:59] <cbx33> w00t, my work here is done 
[10:00] <sbalneav> Man, a martini!?!  I gotta come to these meetings more often.
[10:00] <rodarvus> hi guys
[10:00] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[10:00] <ogra> evening
[10:00] <highvoltage> hi ogra
[10:00] <sbalneav> hey ogra
[10:00] <RichEd> hello ogra
[10:00] <cbx33> dang it man..../me reaches for the diet coke, and passes one to highvoltage  :p
[10:00] <willvdl> hey y'all
[10:00] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[10:01] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks for the agenda update i didnt save fast enough ;)
[10:01] <highvoltage> np :)
[10:01] <ogra> so, lets get started
[10:02] <RichEd> ogra ... you drive ? i'll do next wek when you are sprinting ?
[10:02] <ogra> i have to admit i was slacking a bit wrt CD images and edubuntu-meta, so i cant say much about the iso image status today, but i'll make sure they are usable on the weekend
[10:03] <cbx33> we know you've been busy ogra 
[10:03] <ogra> on the other hand, do we have local devices nearly done ... thanks a lot to sbalneav who did the moreimportant stuff like writing a suid wrapper to make pitti happy :)
[10:03] <rodarvus> :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:03] <LaserJock> that's a big one
[10:03] <ogra> and i must say its the coolest localdev implementation this world has wever seen
[10:03] <ogra> *ever
[10:03] <ogra> its really really sexy :)
[10:03] <cbx33> :D:D
[10:04] <rodarvus> nice
[10:04] <highvoltage> wow. does that work like local devs on ltsp.org, or the fancy stuff that integrates with gnome an?
[10:04] <ogra> (i guess you get how thrilled i am ;) )
[10:04] <rodarvus> do you have a timeframe for integrating it into our package?
[10:04] <sbalneav> just sent you off a gnuified tarball ready for packaging.  As long as pittis happy with it, it's zehr gut.
[10:04] <cbx33> you guys rock
[10:04] <ogra> t operates on the lowest possible level, so its for example totally desktop independent
[10:04] <highvoltage> wow
[10:04] <sbalneav> Should work with either kde or gnome.
[10:05] <cbx33> indeed
[10:05] <ogra> e.g. you can use it similary on XFCE, KDE and GNOME
[10:05] <highvoltage> *grin*
[10:05] <ogra> the respective device handling app of the desktop can pick it up
[10:06] <ogra> ther is nothing to rsync yet, i'm waiting for pitti to approve the main inclusion of ltspfs/ltspfsd
[10:06] <ogra> then i'll add the stuff to the packages
[10:06] <ogra> and add it to the ltsp  dependencys, so it gets installed by default
[10:06] <ogra> should happen during next week
[10:07] <rodarvus> really good!
[10:07] <rodarvus> ogra, sbalneav: congratulations :)
[10:07] <cbx33> definitely
[10:07] <ogra> cbx33 did some work on scp i havent looked at deeply yet ...
[10:07] <ogra> but what he old me sounded very very promising ;)
[10:07] <sbalneav> Just doin' my job, ma'am
[10:07] <ogra> so scp is going forward as well 
[10:07] <highvoltage> ok
[10:08] <cbx33> ogra, need to have a chat to you about that at your easliest possible convenience
[10:08] <ogra> mdz asked for a list of every dev for specs that might get dropped ...
[10:08] <cbx33> I have time tomorrow morning on train
[10:08] <LaserJock> ogra: like specs that aren't going to make it?
[10:09] <ogra> and wrt to the schedule i think its realistic to say i wont be able to implement them all 
[10:09] <ogra> yep
[10:09] <rodarvus> LaserJock, yes. we need to make a decision next week, on which specs are going to be completed for edgy
[10:09] <ogra> he wants a realistic overview 
[10:09] <rodarvus> and which ones are going to be defered for edgy+1
[10:09] <LaserJock> right
[10:09] <ogra> right
[10:09] <cbx33> ogra, with a little help scp will be done
[10:10] <ogra> scp is easy (at least for me, but apparently also for you ;) )
[10:10] <rodarvus> I don't have specs anymore (they're with ogra now), but expect to have some news during (or after) next week
[10:10] <cbx33> well, I thought if I did all I could it would free your time up for important things
[10:10] <cbx33> rodarvus, is this the big secret you couldn't tell us about two meetings ago?
[10:11] <rodarvus> I'm not telling anything you about, yet :D
[10:11] <rodarvus> but yes, this is it.
[10:11] <ogra> what worries me is the swap server, we urgently need that 
[10:11] <ogra> so i'll prioritize that one for the sprint
[10:11] <ogra> as well as ldm login and session handling
[10:11] <cbx33> heheh
[10:11] <cbx33> ogra, is ther eanything I can do to help out there?
[10:11] <ogra> the reason i bring it up in the meeting is that i want to hear from you guys if there is a spec you would consider urgent from a community POV
[10:11] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs
[10:12] <ogra> hmm, is it me, or is LP slow
[10:12] <cbx33> yeh a little
[10:12] <highvoltage> geez, those two specs you just mentioned were two of my most important ones since the first edubuntu release
[10:12] <LaserJock> seems ok to me
[10:13] <cbx33> yeh
[10:13] <LaserJock> ogra: do you think you will try to fix sabayon?
[10:13] <cbx33> the ltsp manager would be great too
[10:13] <rodarvus> ogra, do you want me to resume the swap server spec?
[10:13] <cbx33> LaserJock, is this for you to do your spec
[10:13] <rodarvus> I had started working on it already
[10:13] <rodarvus> shouldn't take long for me to complete this one
[10:13] <rodarvus> and you could focus on the others
[10:13] <ogra> since we will start with autoconfigured dhcp this release (i.e. the user doesnt need to configure anything) what do you all think about shipping a predefined lts.conf ?
[10:14] <cbx33> ogra, sounds like a plan
[10:14] <LaserJock> cbx33: sorta, I do'nt think we can use sabayon for my spec so if ogra is too busy maybe that would be something to drop for now
[10:14] <LaserJock> or maybe somebody else could fix sabayon
[10:15] <ogra> rodarvus, which one  ?
[10:15] <ogra> so what i'd like to do for edubuntu is have a lts.conf that switches on the following as defaults:
[10:15] <cbx33> LaserJock, I would if I could
[10:15] <highvoltage> ogra: i have always been a big proponent of including a default lts.conf, such as k12ltsp does
[10:15] <cbx33> LaserJock, if I can help please let me know
[10:15] <ogra>  * 16bit graphics (speeds up a lot and saves mem, while not breaking anything)
[10:15] <highvoltage> ogra: users are confused when you tell them 'change/edit this in lts.conf', and then the file isn't there
[10:15] <cbx33> highvoltage, totally
[10:15] <cbx33> even I got confused at that first hurdle
[10:16] <sbalneav> brb, workping
[10:16] <cbx33> infact I remember we edited the install instructions on the wiki didn't we highvoltage ?
[10:16] <highvoltage> yep
[10:16] <cbx33> to tell them to create it
[10:16] <rodarvus> ogra, this one -> https://blueprint.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/fully-automatic-swap-server
[10:20] <sbalneav> back
[10:20] <ogra>  * local devices (might be problematic with very low specced clients)
[10:20] <ogra>  * swap server ... (which indeed needs the server installed by default as well i.e. one addition to the server seed)
[10:20] <ogra>  * sound ... (it will fail silently if no sound HW is avaliable)
[10:20] <ogra> thats it
[10:20] <ogra> rodarvus, ah, thanks :)
[10:20] <ogra> lets look over your stuff in wiesbaden, if you are busyi can surely pick up
[10:20] <ogra> (i'm lagging a lot here, my network is like a swamp)
[10:20] <cbx33> ogra, yeh
[10:20] <cbx33> seems very delayed
[10:20] <ogra> ok, so we'll ship a preconfigured ltsp this time, great :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> ok, well I think we can ship a simple dynamic menu system with Edgy
[10:21] <sbalneav> ogra: Where's the swap server at?  Can I give it any love?
[10:21] <highvoltage> from a technical pov, this release of edubuntu sounds like it will be superior in every way to the other edu distros
[10:21] <highvoltage> great work, ogra
[10:21] <ogra> sbalneav, rodarvus has some changes to nbd-server afaik ... 
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, totally
[10:21] <LaserJock> I've got my edgy box up and going and will be working on making .menu files and perhaps get started on a simple GUI
[10:22] <sbalneav> rodarvus: anything I can help with, or have you got it in hand?
[10:22] <ogra> sbalneav, i was planning to jump on it during the sprint next week ... together with the ldm enhancements
[10:22] <rodarvus> sbalneav, its ok, thanks for the offer!
[10:22] <sbalneav> k
[10:23] <rodarvus> ogra, let me do this on the sprint, then
[10:23] <ogra> so thats all from tech side for this week ... a working iso should be there on the weekend as i said ...
[10:23] <rodarvus> (complete it, I mean)
[10:23] <ogra> oh, and please everyone twst willow/willowng
[10:23] <ogra> *test
[10:24] <ogra> (i'll mail edubuntu-devel with a cal for testers tomorrow)
[10:24] <ogra> that thing needs a lot testing 
[10:24] <ogra> and we want to ship it as default :)
[10:25] <ogra> i wonder how many users out there run edubuntu edgy ... :)
[10:25] <ogra> ok, lets move on 
[10:25] <highvoltage> i don't think much yet :/
[10:25] <ogra> documentation :
[10:25] <ogra> anyone ? 
[10:26] <ogra> she wasnt around much recently
[10:26] <cbx33> she's not freenode staff anymore is she?
[10:26] <LaserJock> I wonder if the Army got her?
[10:26] <LaserJock> or something
[10:26] <cbx33> or so I heard
[10:26] <PWill> orga, i put edubuntu edgy on a desktop i had lying around
[10:26] <ogra> she dropped that months ago
[10:26] <sbalneav> I'd be happy to help document some of the localdevs stuff, and go over the ltsp documenation on the wiki
[10:26] <ogra> PWill, nice !
[10:27] <cbx33> and seeing as scp is going ahead, we'll need some scp docs, both in the Handbook and ingeneral?
[10:27] <highvoltage> ogra: not strictly documentation, but can i jump in with webste stuff here too?
[10:27] <cbx33> Are we going to have a preinstalled manual for Edubuntu?
[10:27] <ogra> highvoltage, i thought you wanted to give that up :P 
[10:27] <ogra> highvoltage, indeed :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, that's what i want to discuss
[10:28] <highvoltage> i didn't initially want to give it up, but after elmo's mail i realised it's kind of inevitable
[10:28] <ogra> cbx33, scp-> yep ... as well as willowng (even though there is not much to document)
[10:28] <cbx33> highvoltage, what's the problem?
[10:28] <cbx33> ogra, yeh
[10:28] <highvoltage> it's not something i ever really had the time to maintain, just something i really wanted to
[10:28] <ogra> yep 
[10:28] <cbx33> ah I know the feeling
[10:28] <highvoltage> and i'd like to shift to more 'fun' stuff anyway
[10:28] <ogra> but for that we have a very good website ;)
[10:29] <LaserJock> yes
[10:29] <ogra> you did very well :)
[10:29] <highvoltage> so we needsome volunteers who wouls assist with maintenance and expantion of the site
[10:29] <cbx33> fantastic work highvoltage 
[10:29] <highvoltage> thanks:)
[10:29] <cbx33> I'd like to say I'll jump in seeing as I know drupal really really well now
[10:29] <willvdl> highvoltage, what kind of maintenance and expansion?
[10:29] <PWill> highvoltage: i do web design, i can help
[10:30] <ogra> highvoltage, RichEd is advertising i the K12LTSP community ;)
[10:30] <highvoltage> we can have another website meeting, where we can discuss what needs to be done on the site, and flesh out tasks and responsibilities
[10:30] <cbx33> but I'm trying to get more into dev stuff
[10:30] <highvoltage> ogra: heh
[10:30] <ogra> it think most of it will be content management rather than webdesign
[10:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, on the wiki?
[10:30] <cbx33> ogra, yeh just drupal usage
[10:30] <highvoltage> maintenance is basically upgrading drupal now and again, and keeping the new section updated
[10:30] <highvoltage> i think the above is the main reason elmo freaked out
[10:31] <cbx33> upgrading drupal can be scary :p
[10:31] <RichEd> i'll give you guys more on web site & community later in my news
[10:31] <ogra> highvoltage, i thought thats donr by matthew ?
[10:31] <ogra> *done
[10:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: i was actually more referring to the news :)
[10:31] <cbx33> oh :p
[10:31] <highvoltage> ogra: he can do that,yes
[10:32] <highvoltage> for the content we'd have to rely on our community mostly, as far as i understand
[10:32] <ogra> yep, that was the initial plan 
[10:32] <ogra> but the community needs to grow ;)
[10:32] <cbx33> we need a way to submit requests
[10:32] <RichEd> ^^ as per my comment above we (Canonical) have a new dedicated community manager from Sept 4
[10:32] <highvoltage> i want to get the wheel rolling on this, so is there any suggestions on a meeting time to discuss this?
[10:33] <ogra> RichEd, and he will deal with teachers ?
[10:33] <highvoltage> we would need about an hour or so
[10:33] <RichEd> Jono Bacon .. well respected, good ideas.
[10:33] <cbx33> yeh Jono is cool
[10:33] <RichEd> He will work with me to build a Edubuntu community model within the greater Ubntu community
[10:33] <ogra> but i suspect his focus will lie more in the ubuntu community
[10:33] <ogra> ah, thats a nice plan :)
[10:33] <RichEd> ogra: we are already chatting ... he is keen to work together
[10:34] <ogra> yup ... 
[10:34] <RichEd> he has an "education bent" .... i.e. a passion and his own theories
[10:34] <cbx33> RichEd, good good
[10:34] <ogra> ok, lets keep that for the commuity topic later ;)
[10:34] <ogra> any other doc stuff ?
[10:35] <ogra> doesnt seem like 
[10:35] <cbx33> ogra, do meeting minutes
[10:35] <cbx33> fall under documentation
[10:35] <cbx33> ;)
[10:35] <ogra> in a certain aount, yes :)
[10:35] <ogra> *amount
[10:35] <cbx33> I wanted to ask if anyone actually uses the minutes I produce
[10:35] <willvdl> yip
[10:35] <juliux> cbx33, yip
[10:36] <willvdl> keeps me from asking inane redundant questions
[10:36] <cbx33> ok, question answered
[10:36] <rodarvus> cbx33, your meeting minutes are always important :)
[10:36] <highvoltage> willvdl: really!? :p
[10:36] <ogra> its easier to look through them than to search the raw logs :)
[10:36] <cbx33> the EdubuntuMeetingNotesNew page ?
[10:36] <cbx33> ok, 
[10:36] <ogra> cbx33, but dont feel forced :)
[10:36] <willvdl> highvoltage: I'm on medication
[10:36] <cbx33> no no it's fine
[10:37] <cbx33> they take a while to produce 
[10:37] <cbx33> hence why I fall behind
[10:37] <cbx33> once again sorry for that, just wanted to make sure my time was being well spent
[10:37] <ogra> according to the reactions it is ;)
[10:38] <ogra> ok, moving on ... 
[10:38] <ogra> artwork:
[10:38] <ogra> any news from your two girl artwork team ? 
[10:38] <cbx33> oooh artwork
[10:38] <cbx33> yes
[10:38] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Palette
[10:38] <ogra> someone posted https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSounds to edubuntu-users last week
[10:38] <cbx33> we'll get to that
[10:39] <ogra> heh
[10:39] <cbx33> lisa has been working hard
[10:39] <ogra> thats you in the first splash, right ? 
[10:39] <cbx33> on creating some initial ideas for a palette
[10:39] <cbx33> nope
[10:39] <cbx33> ogra, you don;t even know how handsome I am :p
[10:39] <rodarvus> cbx33, nice stuff
[10:39] <cbx33> that's my brother in law
[10:39] <ogra> ah
[10:39] <ogra> yeah, very nice !
[10:39] <rodarvus> jane is rather busy these days, her mother went under surgery last week
[10:39] <cbx33> we liked the idea of a young person "working"
[10:39] <cbx33> and "learning"
[10:40] <cbx33> rodarvus, send her my regards
[10:40] <ogra> note that ldm wont be able to show such nice fullscreen pics 
[10:40] <rodarvus> (we go to hospital every night to see her)
[10:40] <cbx33> I'll keep them in my thoughts
[10:40] <rodarvus> cbx33, will do
[10:40] <cbx33> ogra, sure
[10:40] <cbx33> we can simplify
[10:40] <ogra> yep
[10:40] <ogra> LaserJock, dont like the colors ? 
[10:41] <LaserJock> just bright
[10:41] <cbx33> yeh
[10:41] <LaserJock> maybe I've stared down too many lasers or something :-)
[10:41] <willvdl> orange/yellow are colours of intelligence right?
[10:41] <cbx33> as I said, this is a palette
[10:41] <ogra> orange/yellow are great
[10:41] <LaserJock> I like them, just a bit bright for me at the moment
[10:41] <cbx33> LaserJock, turn down the contrast
[10:41] <ogra> (says the man who pinted his office orange last week)
[10:41] <ogra> *painted)
[10:42] <LaserJock> yikes
[10:42] <PWill> really?!
[10:42] <willvdl> did it work?
[10:42] <ogra> yep :)
[10:42] <PWill> sweet
[10:42] <ogra> it does, yes
[10:42] <ogra> its a brownish orange 
[10:42] <ogra> like working in a flowerpot ;)
[10:42] <LaserJock> oh, well that's a bit better
[10:42] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:42] <ogra> i made the room match my edubuntu desktop ;)
[10:43] <ogra> ogra, thats wonderful news for the artwork, ad i find it really slick ... :)
[10:43] <cbx33> lisa has asked for a quick poll on everyones fav
[10:43] <cbx33> 1,2,3 or 4
[10:43] <ogra> splash 1
[10:43] <ogra> gdm 4
[10:44] <ogra> err
[10:44] <ogra> splash 3
[10:44] <ogra> sorry
[10:44] <rodarvus> cbx33, is that you on the picture? :)
[10:44] <ogra> heh
[10:44] <PWill> i say splash 4
[10:44] <cbx33> rodarvus, no, my brother in law
[10:44] <ogra> i asked the same :)
[10:44] <willvdl> splash 4   gmd 4
[10:44] <PWill> willcdl knows what's up
[10:45] <rodarvus> splash and gdm one are really nice (but not sure if they could be used as default)
[10:45] <rodarvus> but very likely as alternative gdm theme
[10:45] <willvdl> agree
[10:45] <ogra> why not as default ?
[10:45] <LaserJock> ah heck, I love them all :/
[10:46] <ogra> rodarvus, willvdl ?
[10:46] <LaserJock> I like the inquisative, students in action kinda thing
[10:46] <rodarvus> hmm, yeah, I changed my mind
[10:46] <rodarvus> I think it could be the default one, indeed
[10:47] <cbx33> :)
[10:47] <ogra> heh
[10:47] <cbx33> lisa just made a big sigh of relief
[10:47] <PWill> LaserJock, i agree. we need more like that
[10:47] <RichEd> I vote 3 ... looks like the desktop is on fire :)
[10:47] <willvdl> ogra, the photographer isn't that relevant to me
[10:47] <ogra> willvdl, well, in th econtext LaserJock just gave i think he is ...
[10:47] <rodarvus> cbx33, you (lisa, or whoever took the picture) would need to formally agree on letting this picture be used, you know
[10:48] <cbx33> lisa took it
[10:48] <ogra> he's documenting/learning whatever ... its a educational gesture (in a very rough view)
[10:48] <cbx33> and my brother in law has just been informed and said...COOL
[10:48] <rodarvus> haha
[10:48] <willvdl> ogra, true
[10:48] <PWill> someone needs to get a picture of a playground with kids on it
[10:48] <willvdl> without getting arrested
[10:48] <ogra> willvdl, i agree that it porbably should be more intuitive :)
[10:49] <RichEd> not to throw a spanner in, but from what janeW told me about previous decisions, when you use a singular person of a certain ethnicity, then there are sometimes "what about us" concerns
[10:49] <LaserJock> PWill: might be tough :-)
[10:49] <PWill> well, my mother is a teacher, maybe she could get her students to sign releases or something
[10:49] <willvdl> RichEd: agree there too
[10:49] <rodarvus> RichEd, right, this is important
[10:49] <rodarvus> and lisa's brother seems to be blonde
[10:49] <RichEd> or even from the politically correct side of the fence: what about them ?
[10:49] <cbx33> RichEd, it's a little ambigous on a race/ethnicity issue
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd, well, we survived that once, we'll do it again ;)
[10:49] <LaserJock> RichEd: could we just vary it? or do we have to have "all in one"
[10:49] <cbx33> but possibly not sex
[10:49] <rodarvus> (blondes are really rare here, for example)
[10:50] <cbx33> rodarvus, photoshop is a wonderful tool :p
[10:50] <RichEd> fair & equal representation
[10:50] <LaserJock> lol
[10:50] <PWill> heh
[10:50] <willvdl> rodarvus, and anywhere north of the limpopo river
[10:50] <RichEd> i.e one pic with all peoples ...
[10:50] <RichEd> or one pic per peoples
[10:50] <ogra> RichEd, i have gotten mails where they called me racist back then because of it ... after the first shock you get used to just delete them ;)
[10:50] <sbalneav> Well, gotta go pick up the kiddies
[10:50] <willvdl> or remove the human element entirely?
[10:50] <sbalneav> see you all later
[10:50] <ogra> sbalneav, thanks for attending !
[10:50] <ogra> gah !
[10:51] <LaserJock> willvdl: but that's pretty bad too
[10:51] <cbx33> yeh
[10:51] <ogra> willvdl, thats a bad idea
[10:51] <cbx33> the human element works
[10:51] <PWill> right back..
[10:51] <cbx33> really well
[10:51] <rodarvus> we hava situation in Brazil that a blong kid is always considered rich, so, not really ideal for the official image
[10:51] <ogra> if we take a decision we just have ot stad to it
[10:51] <rodarvus> *have
[10:51] <ogra> *stand
[10:51] <cbx33> well the other alternative is to just have ambigouously coloured hands working on something
[10:51] <rodarvus> s/blong/blonde/
[10:51] <ogra> body parts are fine as well
[10:52] <LaserJock> anyway, if we had lots of pictures to chose from we could try to pick one or many that work well
[10:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, indeed
[10:52] <RichEd> ogra: JaneW said that the community was fine with the CD cover and approval ... and then the mother grundies threw a wobbly
[10:52] <willvdl> we can stand to it but can not always represent it
[10:52] <ogra> but having human elements is essential imho 
[10:52] <cbx33> as I said this is just a palette
[10:52] <RichEd> and community was overridden
[10:52] <ogra> RichEd, exactly
[10:52] <cbx33> ogra, I totally agree
[10:52] <ogra> RichEd, the human element is somewhat missing in the current artwork 
[10:53] <cbx33> ogra, yes I feel that too
[10:53] <LaserJock> aka, the chalkboard ;-)
[10:53] <ogra> so it would be nice to get that back in
[10:53] <RichEd> what about a selection of human options ... but a non-human as default ?
[10:53] <LaserJock> might work
[10:53] <ogra> only if we urgently need to
[10:53] <PWill> back
[10:53] <LaserJock> I think we should stick to the educational theme though
[10:53] <ogra> i worked as graphics designer for some years ...
[10:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[10:53] <willvdl> or a styalised human
[10:54] <cbx33> willvdl, getting to the manga we had before
[10:54] <RichEd> or human reduced to a graphic or silhouette which is not-ethnic-discernable
[10:54] <ogra> the first thing you learn in the advertisement business here is 
[10:54] <ogra> have a human delivering your message
[10:54] <cbx33> you can't please everybody
[10:54] <ogra> one that people can identify with
[10:54] <cbx33> there will ALWAYS be someone who is unhappy
[10:54] <LaserJock> anway...
[10:54] <PWill> lol
[10:54] <willvdl> then we have to choose the largest target audience
[10:54] <ogra> but gdm is a special thing ...
[10:55] <ogra> gdm is the thing you will see in the photograps from classrooms  ...
[10:55] <cbx33> ogra, yes
[10:55] <ogra> its our face to the user
[10:55] <ogra> more important than the CD cover or wallpaper
[10:55] <RichEd> we could always go the southpark route and offend everybody equally ;)
[10:55] <PWill> haha
[10:56] <ogra> southpark ++ 
[10:56] <cbx33> RichEd, heheh
[10:56] <ogra> lets have kenny on gdm ;)
[10:56] <PWill> RichEd, great! I lov lawsuits
[10:56] <PWill> love*
[10:56] <RichEd> all races all creeds ... step up for a sh!tt!n on
[10:56] <cbx33> heheh
[10:56] <cbx33> well
[10:57] <ogra> and we need to move on ...
[10:57] <cbx33> here's the deal guys
[10:57] <ogra> time gets short
[10:57] <cbx33> just spoken with lisa
[10:57] <cbx33> we can take some photos on sunday of some different ethnicities
[10:58] <ogra> great 
[10:58] <cbx33> there is quite a diverse range of people at my wifes church service
[10:58] <PWill> how? just go up to people and ask if we can take thir picture?
[10:58] <cbx33> lots of kids
[10:58] <ogra> PWill, sure, why not
[10:58] <willvdl> cbx33, can I send you some pics from transkei and madagascar
[10:58] <RichEd> what about same basic pose of individuals of different ethnicities might work, each incorporated into the same background graphic ?
[10:58] <ogra> tell them "your pic will be seen in 1000000 schools" :)
[10:59] <cbx33> willvdl, if you have permission from the photographer and the people in it
[10:59] <willvdl> they're my stock
[10:59] <cbx33> ogra, that's a little optimistic
[10:59] <ogra> cbx33, nope ...
[10:59] <cbx33> willvdl, we would need a model release form from each person
[10:59] <RichEd> so the appearance is the same in a selection of wallpapers, with different individuals ?
[10:59] <ogra> cbx33, thats a matter of time ;)
[11:00] <willvdl> depends on the country and location of shot
[11:00] <cbx33> RichEd, how many wallpapers would we need :p
[11:00] <ogra> RichEd, did JaneW show you the set of pics we had for ubuntu ?
[11:00] <cbx33> willvdl, ok, but if we use someone, we need a model release form
[11:00] <RichEd> say 5 ? most major groups ?
[11:00] <ogra> err
[11:00] <cbx33> too much I fell
[11:00] <cbx33> feel
[11:00] <ogra> thats not doable spacewise 
[11:00] <cbx33> at this stage
[11:00] <cbx33> ogra, ++
[11:00] <ogra> max 3 wallpapers
[11:01] <RichEd> note that sabdfl said he wil spring for DVD if we need to break the CD barrier
[11:01] <ogra> RichEd, but our users wont
[11:01] <ogra> RichEd, the bigger part of them even hardly has CD drives available
[11:01] <cbx33> ogra, ++
[11:01] <PWill> model release form: http://www.dpcorner.com/all_about/releases.shtml
[11:01] <PWill> scroll down for the one for minors
[11:01] <ogra> we discussed that quite often the last releases
[11:02] <cbx33> thanks PWill 
[11:02] <RichEd> maybe time is tight, but we could think next time about running a community competition ... submit your own photo and give up rights to us ?
[11:02] <ogra> RichEd, there is no easy solution ... apart from starting to ship on more than one CD ...
[11:02] <cbx33> and also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuArtwork/Worksheet
[11:02] <ogra> but that will mean we'd raise the costs
[11:02] <cbx33> ogra, 1 cd is best I feel
[11:03] <cbx33> for what it's worth
[11:03] <cbx33> :p
[11:03] <ogra> well, we're always short on space with one
[11:03] <cbx33> ogra, we did talk about an Additional cd
[11:03] <ogra> right ... for languages ...
[11:03] <cbx33> but then RichEd even if we did have several wallpapers
[11:03] <ogra> but we currently ship english only anyway
[11:03] <cbx33> we couldn't have a default one
[11:04] <willvdl> anyone know the relevant cost difference of 1 DVD vs 2 CDs?
[11:04] <RichEd> what about a install CD and an add-on CD ... whwre install is all you really need and add-on is optional
[11:04] <RichEd> *whwre
[11:04] <cbx33> RichEd, it is an option
[11:04] <PWill> CDs are the best option. we can't assume everyone has a DVD-ROM
[11:04] <ogra> willvdl, 2 CDs will be significantly more expensive to ship
[11:05] <ogra> i bet they are the same price for pressing 
[11:05] <willvdl> true
[11:05] <ogra> or at least a similar price
[11:05] <RichEd> so shippit can go with 1 x Install CD, add-on is only by request, or as a optional download after install.
[11:05] <cbx33> RichEd, but if it's a download
[11:05] <willvdl> Just thinking of my target audience
[11:05] <cbx33> just make them packages in universe
[11:05] <RichEd> was about to say that :)
[11:05] <ogra> would you want to have to download a full 600MB iso to get two language packs ? 
[11:05] <cbx33> ogra, my point exactly
[11:06] <ogra> yep
[11:06] <cbx33> i still think 1 cd is best
[11:06] <cbx33> our real goal is to get rid of kde
[11:06] <ogra> my lag is making my discussion points a bit pointless :)
[11:06] <cbx33> so we can have the extra 80-100Mb
[11:06] <RichEd> a value-add package ... with pick & chose options for selective download ?
[11:06] <LaserJock> time to move on?
[11:06] <cbx33> yes
[11:06] <ogra> yeah
[11:06] <PWill> right back...
[11:06] <cbx33> a quick on from me on Sounds
[11:06] <ogra> shoot
[11:06] <cbx33> sabdfl sent a great mail to the artwork mailing list
[11:07] <ogra> yes, looks like you'll make the next generation of desktp sounds ;)
[11:07] <cbx33> ogra, :D
[11:07] <cbx33> bimberi sent me sound playground sounds
[11:07] <cbx33> which I will add to make an edubuntu specific sound
[11:07] <cbx33> the list has been narrowed down
[11:07] <ogra> :))
[11:07] <cbx33> anyone wanting more info ping me
[11:07] <RichEd> ping
[11:08] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk/finals
[11:08] <willvdl> can't wait to hear them :)
[11:08] <PWill> i don't so much like the playgriund sounds
[11:08] <cbx33> tbh I havn't heard them
[11:08] <ogra> PWill, they wont be standalone
[11:08] <cbx33> but I'm sure they will be fine
[11:09] <ogra> imagine them mixed with the sounds cbx33 made
[11:09] <cbx33> RichEd, we're going to develop 6,7,8
[11:09] <RichEd> okay
[11:09] <PWill> i know, ogra. the just seem... i don't know
[11:09] <ogra> just a bit background giggling of childs :)
[11:09] <ogra> (the human factor ;) )
[11:09] <PWill> meh. we'll see once they're mixed
[11:09] <cbx33> any comments etc please please mail me
[11:09] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[11:09] <cbx33> i can keep track of things then
[11:10] <LaserJock> heh, I seriously doubt it
[11:10] <ogra> RichEd, if we havent already we wont get them now ...
[11:10] <willvdl> if they have mad ubuntu skills then let em
[11:10] <RichEd> semi-serious comment ... JaneW gest some strange comments when she posts pics of our kids in the bath on her blog :(
[11:10] <PWill> ew
[11:10] <cbx33> RichEd, I was surprised she did that
[11:10] <ogra> thats the world ... shit happens
[11:11] <RichEd> cbx33: not without careful thinking now she doesn't
[11:11] <willvdl> RichEd, comments from Seffers?
[11:11] <RichEd> Seffers ?
[11:11] <cbx33> are we done on artwork?
[11:11] <willvdl> South Africans
[11:11] <ogra> i think so
[11:11] <RichEd> yep ... done ...
[11:12] <ogra> community/management:
[11:12] <cbx33> ogra, rodarvus, RichEd all send you all mail tomorrow
[11:12] <cbx33> about our intentions for artwork photos
[11:12] <cbx33> and you guys can add anything
[11:12] <cbx33> or comment
[11:12] <rodarvus> cbx33, I wonder if Lisa is shy - she never shows up on #edubuntu :)
[11:13] <cbx33> rodarvus, she's just busy most of the time
[11:13] <RichEd> okay ... community ----
[11:13] <RichEd> http://www.jonobacon.org/ Jono Bacon = Canonical Community ferom 4 sept
[11:14] <RichEd> You can have a read of this if you want to know what sort of a guy he is ...
[11:14] <RichEd> Unwrapping Learning Potential With Open Source : http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=687
[11:14] <Riddell> cbx33: ahem
[11:14] <cbx33> Riddell, ?
[11:14] <RichEd> Has some very good points ... and is a thinker ...
[11:14] <LaserJock> uh oh
[11:15] <RichEd> I have had a brief chat, and he is keen to collaborate ... needs to clear his plate from his old job first
[11:15] <willvdl> RichEd: have you read the BECTA report on OSS?
[11:15] <RichEd> nope willvdl : link ref ?
[11:15] <cbx33> willvdl, BECTA, where are you based?
[11:15] <willvdl> hard copy :(
[11:16] <willvdl> RSA
[11:16] <willvdl> but I read everything :)
[11:16] <cbx33> ahhh
[11:16] <RichEd> paste flood warning ... everybody stand back
[11:16] <RichEd> As Ubuntu Community Manager, my energy will be focused in a number of different areas, each a foundation for a strong Ubuntu community. This includes:
[11:16] <RichEd>     * Ensuring the wheels of the community are well oiled, and the different teams (Documentation, Art, LoCo, Marketing, Press, Accessibility etc.) can effectively work together, resolve conflict, source resources and more.
[11:16] <RichEd>     * Refine and explore methods to make the Ubuntu community as approachable as possible. I want to ensure potential contributors can get started quickly and know when, where and how to get involved easily.
[11:16] <RichEd>     * Develop processes and practises to ensure we get the most out of contributor time. Many contributors only have limited time they can dedicate to a project - we want to make sure they get the most out of that time and there are as few obstacles and red tape in the way. Happy contributors get things done and achieve doable goals - lets make this rock even more.
[11:16] <RichEd>     * To foster innovation at every level. We have so much potential to think outside the box, develop better ways of working together and new ways of delivering in each of the different teams.
[11:16] <cbx33> as I work in a UK school
[11:16] <RichEd>     * Making the Ubuntu community as inclusive as possible. The ever-growing Ubuntu community spreads across many countries, cultures and communication mediums - lets make sure that we always retain community feel and spirit.
[11:16] <RichEd>     * Measure and explore patterns in the community so we can understand it better and ensure all aspects of the community get the attention they need.
[11:17] <willvdl> ow
[11:17] <RichEd> So there is a good identified & calculated approach ...
[11:17] <RichEd> That's from: Goodbye OpenAdvantage, hello Canonical August 8th, 2006
[11:18] <RichEd> ... on his blog.
[11:18] <willvdl> like the "inclusive" bit
[11:18] <cbx33> yeh
[11:18] <ogra> should also be on planet 
[11:18] <RichEd> He is already quite active on #canonical. I'll drag him into one of our meetings when his feet touch grourd
[11:18] <RichEd> ground
[11:19] <RichEd> Based in Wolverhampton UK ...
[11:19] <cbx33> great guy with some great visions
[11:19] <RichEd> So cbx33 will buy him beers to make him help us
[11:19] <ogra> he'S active in #ubuntu-devel since more than a year ... and wrote the "official" ubuntu book
[11:19] <cbx33> all send your cheques now :p
[11:19] <RichEd> Web ---------------------
[11:19] <RichEd> Matt Nuzum = Canonical Webmaster
[11:19] <willvdl> ogra, oooh. he writes well
[11:20] <RichEd> I am brokering all the back-end management handover from Highvoltage to Matt
[11:20] <RichEd> i.e. get Higvoltage off the nuts & bolts and up the value stack
[11:20] <ogra> RichEd, as i understood it, hes do the tech part like drupal maintenance etc, but we keep the responsibility for content management ?
[11:21] <RichEd> exactly ...
[11:21] <cbx33> :)
[11:21] <cbx33> great
[11:21] <ogra> good :)
[11:21] <RichEd> we do the content, he makes sure it is served
[11:21] <cbx33> sounds like we're almost done
[11:21] <ogra> we should focus on getting a content maintenance team going until release
[11:21] <RichEd> or put another way  ... we know our audience ... he knows the machine
[11:21] <cbx33> ogra, ++
[11:22] <LaserJock> ogra: yep
[11:22] <ogra> but w'll need more people
[11:22] <RichEd> Now some business level stuff, to give you an idea of what's on the horizon
[11:22] <ogra> vereybody in the community is currently having at least two duties ... i guess thats enough
[11:22] <RichEd> (last topic before I am done)
[11:22] <ogra> we need new flesh ! 
[11:23] <ogra> haha
[11:23] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:23] <RichEd> Ubuntu is making some serious inroads ... and we are going to be pulled along in the slipstream. 
[11:23] <ogra> as long as you dont think you hear an austrian dictator while i speak, all is fine :)
[11:23] <cbx33> RichEd, ++
[11:24] <cbx33> my brother in law just said... How can I help
[11:24] <RichEd> Some cut & paste from a slarge enquiry from ex-USSR country:
[11:24] <RichEd> *large
[11:24] <RichEd> We are in the short list
[11:24] <RichEd> > After 1 year testing of Fedora, decided recently to stick
[11:24] <RichEd> > to one of commercial and well-known distributions:
[11:24] <RichEd> > Suse, Mandriva and Ubuntu.
[11:24] <RichEd> > The indicative number of machines distributed in 2,300
[11:24] <RichEd> > public schools and running on Linux by the end of 2008
[11:24] <RichEd> > is 30,000.
[11:25] <cbx33> nice
[11:25] <RichEd> They want to open negotiations for:
[11:25] <RichEd> > 3 year contract with attractive conditions for upgrade
[11:25] <RichEd> > and technical support, that might include FLOSS center,
[11:25] <RichEd> > mirror download sites.
[11:25] <cbx33> right guys if we're nearing the end I'm gonna have to shut up shop, currently at the inlaws....need to get back and sleep....get my 5 hours in :p
[11:26] <RichEd> this will need a gearing up by Canonical support ... as in the next one ...
[11:26] <RichEd> * Intel relationship getting more intimate
[11:26] <RichEd> Canonical NDAs here so I can't give much specifics, but can say:
[11:26] <cbx33> RichEd, remember my idea about live support :p
[11:26] <RichEd> okay cbx33 ... in your email ?
[11:26] <RichEd> 1. Intel education tools
[11:26] <RichEd> - currently running on Red Hat and SUSE
[11:26] <RichEd> - they are looking to get this running on Edubuntu
[11:26] <RichEd> - will use their own developers
[11:26] <RichEd> - may need direction from us at times
[11:26] <cbx33> possibly
[11:26] <ogra> intel -> *sigh*
[11:27] <cbx33> but if not shout and I'll mail you again
[11:27] <RichEd> why the sigh oliver ?
[11:27] <cbx33> amd :D
[11:27] <RichEd> cbx33: okay will check
[11:27] <cbx33> right guys I'm sorry I'm really gonna have to go, unless there is anything else?
[11:27] <ogra> RichEd, pairing up more with intel will drag me out of edubuntu stuff ... but thats not related to your post ... i thought it was about hardware stuff :)
[11:27] <RichEd> nope you are released ...
[11:28] <cbx33> nn guys
[11:28] <willvdl> ciao
[11:28] <ogra> they are eager to have hwdb integrated with their dazabase
[11:28] <ogra> that will take a fair amount of my edgy+1 devtime i guess
[11:28] <RichEd> ogra : for this they have their own crew ... they think they can manage without us,
[11:28] <ogra> RichEd, they cant do the ubuntu side 
[11:28] <ogra> and i wrote that ...
[11:28] <willvdl> hmmm, Intel Tech to the Future is *everywhere
[11:28] <willvdl> Teach rather
[11:29] <ogra> but getting edu tools from them is a great thing indeed :)
[11:29] <RichEd> nope, but they will do their side ... and the relationship is such that they may provide people if they need to dip in into our side
[11:29] <RichEd> ogra: NDA covers Canonical employees ... will forward you a mail
[11:29] <ogra> RichEd, right ... but i will still be needed ... we met up in paris and spoke about it 
[11:30] <ogra> thanks 
[11:30] <RichEd> Intel have a vested interest in helping Ubuntu get onto OEM vs Microsoft ... around margins on chips
[11:30] <RichEd> (shhhhh ... wink)
[11:30] <ogra> yep
[11:31] <ogra> maxalt said that very public in his talk in paris ;)
[11:31] <ogra> no "shhh" needed ;)
[11:31] <ogra> (maxalt is intel engineer)
[11:31] <RichEd> So they are not helping us out of social godness, but out of margin concerns ... and this fits with their target growth areas for OEM shops 
[11:32] <RichEd> Aisia, LAMs, Vietnam, Indid etc.
[11:32] <RichEd> so next paste:
[11:32] <RichEd> 2. Intel has introduced us to their Premier Partner in Vietnam
[11:32] <RichEd> - want to formalise an Ubuntu OEM offering & Edubuntu for Education
[11:32] <RichEd> > this company has 100 in-house developers writing software
[11:32] <RichEd> > applications on OSS to sell in bundle with the PCs and
[11:32] <RichEd> > with corporate services
[11:32] <ogra> nice !
[11:32] <RichEd> ^^^ Indiz = India
[11:32] <willvdl> huuuge
[11:33] <RichEd> But we need then to help Canonical develope & add new services
[11:33] <ogra> yep, ubuntu has 18 fulltime developers
[11:33] <RichEd> To wrap the deal, we need to provide:
[11:33] <RichEd> Intel Training  - level 1
[11:33] <RichEd> VAR Training    - level 1
[11:33] <RichEd> BackEnd Support - level 2
[11:33] <RichEd> Some of this exists at Canonical Paid Support in Montreal e.g. Ubuntu server support
[11:33] <RichEd> We'll need to help them add Edubuntu to this, LTSP server & desktop support &* training
[11:33] <ogra> yup
[11:34] <RichEd> So willvdl & I will meet with Hilton & Jonathan for informal discussions next week ...
[11:34] <RichEd> See what we can do with the tuxLabs support model & staff ...
[11:34] <willvdl> Inkululeku(o)
[11:34] <RichEd> Very much an idea in theory, but that looks like our easiest route forwards
[11:35] <RichEd> Unless someone else can point me to a base of Edubuntu support with in the clasroom experince ?
[11:35] <RichEd> Ideas welcome.
[11:35] <willvdl> I think their next update will be full Edgy
[11:36] <ogra> willvdl, you mean tuxlabs ? 
[11:36] <willvdl> There are a few RichEd. Not many as large as tuxlabs but they are there
[11:36] <willvdl> ogra, yip
[11:36] <RichEd> --- so that is all from me for now --- apart from 1 directive from my meeting with Mark:
[11:36] <ogra> well, they will wait for localdev support .. that was the reason they didnt switch earlier i was told
[11:37] <RichEd> Mark: I expect you to make Edubuntu the dominant education Linux within 12 months.
[11:37] <ogra> we *are* the dominant edu distor 
[11:37] <ogra> *distro
[11:37] <RichEd> RichEd: and I expect all of you here to help me.
[11:37] <ogra> he doest get that :)
[11:37] <rodarvus> :)
[11:38] <willvdl> the burninastro
[11:38] <rodarvus> RichEd, was that a recursive question? :)
[11:38] <ogra> show me *one* other edu distro in the http://distrowatch.com/ top 100
[11:38] <RichEd> I don't think he is satisfied with 60:30:15:5
[11:38] <ogra> we're on place 60
[11:38] <RichEd> I think he wants 90:6:3:2
[11:38] <ogra> either debian-edu, nor skole or K12 are even listed
[11:38] <PWill> go to go, guys
[11:38] <PWill> adios
[11:38] <willvdl> ciao
[11:39] <ogra> *neither
[11:39] <RichEd> cheers ... PWill 
[11:39] <willvdl> folks, the true mark of success is case studies
[11:39] <willvdl> working implimentations with solid outcomes
[11:39] <RichEd> willvdl: agreed ...
[11:40] <RichEd> he wants usage majority, not ratings
[11:40] <ogra> i know that distrowatch is nonsense, but its a rough indicator for being known 
[11:40] <rodarvus> some linux distributions on distrowatch are quite directed to a small audience, but nonetheless, have many usrs
[11:40] <rodarvus> users
[11:40] <RichEd> Mark is also looking at list traffic volume
[11:40] <ogra> right, thats poor on the edubuntu lists
[11:40] <RichEd> LIST - k12osn : 30-50 mails a day
[11:40] <rodarvus> take 'kurumin' for example. is a brazilian spin-off of Knoppix, with added hardware support for most common brazilian machines + non-free stuff.
[11:41] <rodarvus> its *crap*, but due to the nature of its software, its the most used linux distribution on the government
[11:41] <RichEd> LIST - ubuntu-dev : 30-50 mails a month
[11:41] <willvdl> rodarvus, interesting
[11:41] <ogra> edgy will change a lot here 
[11:41] <willvdl> end-to-end solution type thing?
[11:41] <rodarvus> and I doubt any of you ever heard about kurumin :
[11:41] <rodarvus> :)
[11:41] <ogra> its the first release from which *i* say it can face k12
[11:41] <rodarvus> willvdl, yes, basically this
[11:42] <willvdl> We have Novell doing the same thing here with Suse
[11:42] <RichEd> rodarvus: ^recursive question^ god hels those who help themslves :)
[11:42] <RichEd> *helps
[11:42] <willvdl> RichEd: does he help you to spell?
[11:42] <RichEd> no ... i'm on my own for that
[11:43] <willvdl> :P
[11:43] <ogra> we're at more than 90 mins now ...
[11:43] <willvdl> okie, almost pumpkin time
[11:43] <ogra> wha about wrapping up ?
[11:43] <RichEd> final word : to tie it all together guys ...
[11:44] <RichEd> if we get the big partner deals like the ones above, where we are preloaded, or selected for a country wide deployment
[11:44] <RichEd> we'll make the news and the numbers
[11:44] <RichEd> and ubuntu is getting the respect and the foot in the door
[11:44] <RichEd> we just need to deliver our specialised product
[11:44] <RichEd> or shoudl i say carry on delivering
[11:44] <ogra> right :)
[11:45] <willvdl> :)
[11:45] <RichEd> I am very exicited ... more so every week
[11:45] <RichEd> The future is bright and the future in Ubuntu
[11:45] <ogra> :)
[11:45] <RichEd> and today is now done for me ... thanks to all
[11:45] <ogra> thanks 
[11:45] <rodarvus> thanks
[11:45] <ogra> meeting ends here -------------------------------------------------------
[11:46] <willvdl> ciao 
[11:46] <ogra> ciao
[11:46] <willvdl> bon nuit
[11:46] <RichEd> i'll send intel mail to the canonical core ... read, but don't respond unless therough me :) pliss
[11:46] <RichEd> <- back to edubuntu
[11:46] <ogra> heh, sure :)