| cbx33 | really is nn time now | 12:16 |
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| cbx33 | nn guys | 12:16 |
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| sbalneav | hey again | 12:17 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 02:59 |
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| sbalneav_ | me on another machine | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | nooooo | 03:44 |
| LaserJock | we ... can't ... take ... 2 | 03:44 |
| sbalneav | Muaahahahahahaha | 03:44 |
| sbalneav | Ignore that other fellow, he's an imposter! | 03:44 |
| sbalneav_ | No!! Don't listen to him. I'M the real sbalneav! | 03:45 |
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| sbalneav_ | oh, drat | 03:45 |
| sbalneav_ | I would have made it if it hadn't have been for you pesky kids! | 03:45 |
| sbalneav_ | Well, obviously my Scooby-doo reference fell flat. :P | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | sorry, we were having a discussion of nasty French hotel food in -motu | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | it has since devolved | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 03:49 |
| sbalneav_ | Serves you right for eating there. :) | 03:49 |
| sbalneav_ | you won't make that mistake again next time, riiiiight? :) | 03:50 |
| sbalneav_ | "Do as we do, say as we say" | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | "Stick with the LTSP guys" | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | "The only thing thin, is the clients" | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 03:50 |
| sbalneav_ | We'll be in U.S. of A this time, so there will be thick steaks a-plenty on dinner forays. | 03:50 |
| bddebian | w00t | 03:51 |
| sbalneav_ | Lobster, perhaps. | 03:51 |
| sbalneav_ | And beer. Well. That goes without saying. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav_ | And for desert: Cheesecake. | 03:52 |
| sbalneav_ | Yum | 03:52 |
| sbalneav_ | Well, lets see if my little mod to Ogra's cdpinger works. | 03:52 |
| cafuego | Wheee, 210 Edubuntu CDs just arrived :-) | 03:54 |
| sbalneav_ | 210? | 03:55 |
| sbalneav_ | yikes! | 03:55 |
| cafuego | 3x70 | 03:55 |
| cafuego | Spacial order | 03:55 |
| cafuego | s/a/e/ | 03:55 |
| sbalneav_ | SOMEONE's doing a big install, I'd say. | 03:55 |
| bimberi | cafuego: for SFD? | 03:56 |
| cafuego | They're going here: http://www.acec2006.info/ | 03:56 |
| cafuego | bimberi: Nope | 03:56 |
| cafuego | Kattekrab is speaking at that ^^ conference. | 03:57 |
| bimberi | ah yes, of course :) | 03:57 |
| cafuego | So she can hand the CDs out to teachers directly. | 03:57 |
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| sbalneav_ | 4 | 04:47 |
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| sbalneav_ | Man, when I get something working late at night, and there's no-one here to share it with, I shed a little tear. | 05:57 |
| sbalneav_ | ;_; | 05:57 |
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| sbalneav_ | :) | 05:58 |
| bimberi_ | :) | 05:58 |
| sbalneav_ | cdrom support on thin client is now officially AWESOME | 05:58 |
| sbalneav_ | memory sticks --> DONE | 05:58 |
| sbalneav_ | cdroms --> DONE | 05:58 |
| sbalneav_ | floppies --> COMIN' RIIIIGHT UP | 05:59 |
| bimberi_ | fantastic! | 06:00 |
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| bimberi_ | i see lots of questions about local devices | 06:00 |
| sbalneav_ | ogra's cdpinger was great, but it had one or two TINY bugs in it, which I've now squashed. | 06:01 |
| sbalneav_ | Well, I'm an "upstream" developer for LTSP, and I developed the localdevice support there. | 06:02 |
| sbalneav_ | It's going to be even better un Ubuntu. | 06:02 |
| sbalneav_ | So, I guess I'm kicking my own butt :) | 06:02 |
| bimberi_ | lol | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 06:02 |
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| LaserJock | sbalneav_: yo, imbrandon's got a question for you | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 06:23 |
| sbalneav_ | certainly | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:23 |
| imbrandon | [23:21] <imbrandon> do you know if a edubuntu server ( ltsp ) can server a ppc and amd64 client from a i386 ? | 06:23 |
| sbalneav_ | the answer to that would be "yes" | 06:23 |
| sbalneav_ | What you'd have to do is boot a ppc client on ubuntu, | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | cool ok, was just about to try it but all the "thin clients" i would use would be ppc, and all servers i would use woudl be i386 ;) | 06:24 |
| sbalneav_ | do the "ltsp-build-standalone" on it, | 06:24 |
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| sbalneav_ | then transfer the /opt/ltsp/ppc dir to /opt/ltsp on the 386 server. | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | ok so on the ppc load a full ubuntu ? | 06:25 |
| sbalneav_ | just one. To allow you to build the ppc tree. | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok /me listens | 06:25 |
| sbalneav_ | After that, and when you transfer over the ppc dir to the server, they can all net boot. | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | cool sounds simple enough | 06:26 |
| sbalneav_ | See, you can't actually BUILD the ltsp chroot on a 386 server because it can't run the ppc bins. | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | right | 06:26 |
| sbalneav_ | But, if you build it on a ppc, then transfer it over, from there on in, you're just serving it out with nfs | 06:26 |
| sbalneav_ | so, it doesn't matter. | 06:26 |
| imbrandon | but if i put the ltsp server on a amd64 i could build both x64 and i386 | 06:26 |
| sbalneav_ | Yes. you should be able to do that. | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | cuz really its just chroots | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | cool ok | 06:27 |
| sbalneav_ | yep. | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | ok one last "dumb question" | 06:27 |
| sbalneav_ | sorry, did you /msg me? I'm on my alter ego here, and not authenticaed on this id, so I dont get /msg | 06:27 |
| imbrandon | i have tes to get ltsp to work yes so i'm trying the edubuntu way since it all works out of the box pretty much | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | nope i dident | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | someoen might have but not me | 06:28 |
| sbalneav_ | ah, ok, just wondering why i didn't see your question. | 06:28 |
| sbalneav_ | anway, go on | 06:28 |
| imbrandon | ahh i havent asked yet , and the first one i was talking to Laser_away in -motu ;) | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | ok anyhow ummm *thinks* | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | ohh the netboot thing | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | ok i load a enu server up and hop on an i386 with netbot nic | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | it should find it ok without conflicting with my router ? | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | or do i need to do the dns trickery | 06:30 |
| sbalneav_ | Is your router handing out dhcp addresses? | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | like with plain ltsp ? | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | yea its a netgear cable modem router wireless all in one job that i kinda have to keep dhcp on becouse | 06:30 |
| imbrandon | i have some non pc devices that need dhcp from it | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | i think that was my main hickup in the past to useing ltsp | 06:31 |
| imbrandon | i was hoping edubuntu took care of that somehow | 06:31 |
| sbalneav_ | If you've got something else handing out dhcp addresses, then dhcp trickery will be a must. However, dhcp trickery can be avoided by either a) using edubuntu to hand out the dhcp addresses, or b) installing a second net card, and hooking the thin clients up to that. | 06:32 |
| sbalneav_ | Nope, that's pretty much impossible to just "magically" avoid :) | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | hrm well hrm ..... | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | heh yea i figured that | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | heh ok .... *thinks* sorry still a bit rusty at this | 06:33 |
| sbalneav_ | dhcp's easy. There's both here and #ltsp to help you with it. Not like we haven't helped, oh, say, a few THOUSAND people with it before :) | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | give me a some code and package i'm in heaven , give me a dhcp server and i need a 12pack of beer to even look at the conf LOL | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | hehe true | 06:33 |
| sbalneav_ | meh, I code dhcpd.conf stanzas in my sleep. | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | i bet ;) | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | ok i'm gonna go try to do this with letting edubuntu hand out the ip addresses, mind if i pick you brain for one more minute | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | with a theoetical setup to make sure i dont have any major flaws in my thinkgin | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | so first i turn dhcp off on the router and let it jsut be a router ....... | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | i can set all my pc static for now no probs | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | the non pc devices can get an ip from edubuntu still correct | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | and use the router as the gateway | 06:36 |
| sbalneav_ | yep | 06:36 |
| sbalneav_ | no problem | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | k cool, i think that should work then | 06:36 |
| sbalneav_ | Eminently workable :) | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | do you konw if the apple nic's in ibooks ( orinoco drivers ) will netboot, or will i have to have some kinda skel system on them | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | to boot | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | or is google my friend on that one ;) | 06:37 |
| sbalneav_ | Um, that I don't know. | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | np i can grab that via google, but say i do have to have a skel system setup for them | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | can that be generated from the ubuntu install ? | 06:38 |
| sbalneav_ | I *just* bought a mac ppc a week or two ago to start testing things, and to be honest, I haven't even had a chance to boot it yet. | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | heh np | 06:38 |
| sbalneav_ | imbrandon: yep. In fact, if you simply install edubuntu-ppc, it'll do it for you. | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | i'm guessing i will becouse i would like to use the wireless in them | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | nice | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | so there is a like a "client" option in the install ? forgive my ignorance i'm very new to ltsp but not linux in general ( i'm a MOTU among other things ) | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:40 |
| sbalneav_ | Ah, you want wireless netboot? heh | 06:40 |
| sbalneav_ | there's a LOT of people who want that. | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | if possible heh | 06:41 |
| sbalneav_ | Not possible :) | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | maybe i can help try and figure out a way ;) | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:41 |
| sbalneav_ | No wireless netboot card currently netboots :( | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | who know but no ammount of questions are gonna prepare me so i guess i'm gonna dive in and chekc back if i have probs ;) | 06:41 |
| sbalneav_ | yep. | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | thanks for the quick start though ;) | 06:42 |
| sbalneav_ | Not at all. | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | yea a wireless card that netbooted would sell like hotcakes i bet ;) | 06:43 |
| bimberi_ | imbrandon: i think you can hold down the N key at boot to make (some) Macs netboot (non wireless) | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | bimberi_: cool thanks i'll try that | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | yea it has both, but i would RATRHER use the wireless but that might be a no-go atleaste for now ;) | 06:44 |
| imbrandon | the 3 i have here are semi older g3 800mhz 640mb ram iBooks so they may or may not but i'll try it ;) | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | and the "server" is gonna be a amd64x2 4400+ ( running in 32bit mode ) | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | so it "should" work out ok ;) | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | hrm how is that gonna work though, i thought the apps ran on the server, i guess they do and are piped to the local X running | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | so X and the kernel + drivers are all that needs to be ppc ? | 06:46 |
| sbalneav_ | Well, X, kernel, drivers, plus a whole buncg of glue | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea i'm generizing a bit but | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | yea the WM like gnome/kde + apps run from the server though | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | and are piped | 06:48 |
| sbalneav_ | yep, that's how X works. | 06:48 |
| sbalneav_ | The X calls are networkable, so an x89 server can display on a ppc client no problem | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | cool ok, yea like i said still kinda new to ltsp , tried it on other distro's before i started deving for kubuntu but never got it to work, maybe today is my lucky day | 06:49 |
| jsgotangco | we dont doubt the demigod of LTSP | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:02 |
| sbalneav | jsgotangco: :) | 07:16 |
| highvoltage | mhuhahahaha | 07:19 |
| jsgotangco | there goes one of the acolytes | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | acolytes? | 07:28 |
| highvoltage | what's that? | 07:28 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: One who attends; an assistant. "With such chiefs, and with | 07:29 |
| sbalneav | James and John as acolytes." --Motley. | 07:29 |
| sbalneav | It has a religous connotation. | 07:30 |
| highvoltage | aah | 07:32 |
| sbalneav | Long fruitful night, but now I need sleep. | 07:38 |
| sbalneav | night all | 07:38 |
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| RichEd | pygi :) | 08:29 |
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| pygi | RichEd, what I did this time? :) | 08:44 |
| RichEd | ? nothing bad springs to mind ;) | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: just for info, I will be doing a presentation to GILAS (www.gilas.org) regarding Edubuntu on the 30th. Gina hooked me up for this | 08:46 |
| pygi | RichEd, o good, for the first time in history ^_^ | 08:46 |
| pygi | RichEd, o, btw. you gonna visit Ubuntu conf. in Hungary next month? | 08:46 |
| pygi | one of my presentations is about Edubuntu, ofcourse | 08:46 |
| RichEd | morning guys ... | 08:52 |
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| jsgotangco | :) | 08:53 |
| === jsgotangco beams | ||
| jsgotangco | RichEd: really they're *so* excited about htis | 08:53 |
| RichEd | pygi: would love to ... but that will need to be next year, same time, same place, busy with foundation building blocks in this phase | 08:53 |
| pygi | RichEd, ah, oki :'( | 08:54 |
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| highvoltage | morning RichEd | 08:54 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: as per all my conversation threads, I am excited & supportive ... you are my community resource main main #1 | 08:54 |
| RichEd | main man #1 :P | 08:54 |
| RichEd | hi highvoltage | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | if we make a dent on GILAS this would be big | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | afaik, they are in bind at the moment with MS Phil | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | there seems to be a stalemate | 08:55 |
| RichEd | any news on the "personal full time association" opportunity ? | 08:55 |
| jsgotangco | she called me up today she said she'll get back to me this week | 08:56 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: I will make time to help you with the presentation, or find people or resources to assist | 08:56 |
| RichEd | we need to show support for you ... and I *WILL* make that happen | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | i have to fix this up by month's end or else i'll get screwed by my current work | 08:57 |
| RichEd | MS stalemate ? how ? what ? more ? | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | well they seem to have some issues on distributing the software then supporting it | 08:57 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: tomorrow, 9:00-10:00 am my time belongs to you on this topic | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno the exact details, GILAS isn't actually a well advertised initiative | 08:58 |
| RichEd | it is about to go 9:00 am for me now, to give you a time reference | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | ahh okay | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | 3pm here | 08:58 |
| RichEd | so chalk it up in your diary ... | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | okay | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | we can do skype if you want | 08:59 |
| RichEd | we'll get a private window open, and research chat side by side ... | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 08:59 |
| RichEd | skype would be good ... i need to get set up ... can you send me a quick start pointer ? | 08:59 |
| RichEd | i'm on ADSL so b/w is fine ... just need to know where to register / download etc. | 09:00 |
| bimberi_ | !skype | 09:00 |
| ubotu | To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto | 09:00 |
| RichEd | pygi ... how far is hungary from georgia | 09:00 |
| bimberi_ | 'morning RichEd :) | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.skype.com/download/ | 09:00 |
| RichEd | that uboto is a most helpful bot ! it seems to do word reconition & rapid response ! | 09:01 |
| RichEd | recognition <- reconition | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | you can grab the Debian package | 09:01 |
| RichEd | thanks ubuto ;) | 09:01 |
| RichEd | hi bimberi_ : do we get beaten by you or the men in black this week (sobbe) | 09:01 |
| bimberi_ | RichEd: it's our turn up against the all blacks this week | 09:02 |
| bimberi_ | the wallabies trained here in Canberra this week, probably because it's colder, to acclimatise | 09:03 |
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| bimberi_ | hehe | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | cricket? | 09:07 |
| RichEd | no rugby ... or in recent weeks, more like buggery | 09:07 |
| RichEd | my team is playing 2 levels below badly | 09:08 |
| === RichEd does a whois on ubuto ... and asks looking a bit foolish : is ubuto a bot or person ? | ||
| bimberi_ | RichEd: ubotu is a bot - i triggered it with !skype | 09:09 |
| bimberi_ | !botsnack | 09:09 |
| ubotu | Yum! | 09:09 |
| RichEd | ah ... at first i thought it was a person ... then for a moment I though it actually did grammar recognition :) | 09:10 |
| jsgotangco | !die | 09:10 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about die - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:10 |
| RichEd | !springbokrugby | 09:10 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about springbokrugby - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:10 |
| RichEd | :) | 09:11 |
| === RichEd tries some recursive nonsense | ||
| RichEd | !Sorry | 09:11 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about Sorry - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm epiphany took over my desktop lol | 09:12 |
| bimberi_ | RichEd: you can actually /msg it - btw it ignores after a certain number of bad queries :) | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: this looks like partly useful | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.tsf.org.za/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=246&Itemid=33 | 09:13 |
| RichEd | you mean so you can ask in a private window without appearing too stoopid ? | 09:13 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: i'm going to shower and will be back to give you my concentration for 20 mins | 09:17 |
| RichEd | i'm also seeing highvoltage & willvdl for lunch today ... so will ask them for some face-to-face help with references ... there must be something in the TSF / tuXlabs arsenal on the topic | 09:18 |
| jsgotangco | thanks | 09:18 |
| bimberi_ | RichEd: lol, yes that's right | 09:19 |
| === bimberi_ bbl | ||
| highvoltage | on which topic? WSD? | 09:27 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: jsgotangco needs case study reference on how the introduction of IT has improved academic results | 09:29 |
| RichEd | any reference material that will support a presentation to a foundation in Philippines on why computes should be funded into education | 09:29 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: i've got a conversation happening with the Canonical / Intel partner manager ... and his recent mail says that PRC is on their short term radar | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | PRC | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | china? | 09:31 |
| RichEd | PRC is Pacific Rim Countries, no ? and that's you no ? | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | ah | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | well its all known as People's Republic of China ;) | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | there's East Asia and ASEAN | 09:32 |
| RichEd | oh ... I better check to see what he means by his abbreviation ... | 09:32 |
| RichEd | But we are talking about Vietnam now, and that area, so you are within that sort of geographicasl region | 09:33 |
| === RichEd is open to correction | ||
| jsgotangco | that's part of SEA (South East Asia) | 09:35 |
| RichEd | yep ... this is his territory focus: Vietnam, Latin America, PRC, and Southeast Asia. | 09:36 |
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| RichEd | jsgotangco: google search on [vietnam phillipines] tells me: "Throughout the past week more than one million people were evacuated due to Typhoon Chanchu in China, the Philippines and Vietnam" | 09:39 |
| RichEd | so you are in the same bowl so to speak ? | 09:39 |
| RichEd | anyway ... what I can say now is that there is some growing co-operation between around Intel Education programme & Ubuntu | 09:40 |
| RichEd | so we may be able to add value above the o/s into your pitch to Gina ... | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: the typhoon path usually starts in Philippines then goes to Taiwan or China | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: i just saw this http://business.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/10/2115242&tid=37 | 09:41 |
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| jsgotangco | http://anycec.org/main/node/668?PHPSESSID=087555993070778a7c912ae21859116a | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | this is exactly what were looking for | 09:43 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: quick, what it what link on Gina ? i have a very short email time window ... got the intel guys attention now | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | ah wait | 09:47 |
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| cbx33 | Mornin all | 09:47 |
| RichEd | and confirm ... she is a director of http://www.abs-cbnfoundation.com/ ? | 09:47 |
| cbx33 | what a great meeting yesterday :D | 09:47 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: yes | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.planetphilippines.com/archives/2005/jul1-15-05/current/features_current/feature3.html | 09:48 |
| RichEd | hello cbx33 : that meeting with highvoltage & willvdl happens today. case study & advocacy will be on the topic list | 09:48 |
| cbx33 | exshellent | 09:48 |
| cbx33 | what time? | 09:48 |
| RichEd | lunch time | 09:48 |
| cbx33 | cool | 09:48 |
| cbx33 | after that will we know a little more about how to proceed with the packs? | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/sb/sb003803.htm | 09:49 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: she's from a media tycoon clan | 09:50 |
| RichEd | cbx33: we'll start a discussion which will lead to a proj plan ... and I now commit to agree to a timeline & deadline by end of tomorrow. | 09:57 |
| RichEd | so that will be a stake in the ground, where we can haggle over details, but non-negotiable that is it going forward | 09:57 |
| RichEd | towards a conclusion I mean (not just wanderin' along somewhere) | 09:58 |
| cbx33 | good | 10:00 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: see email ... 1st baby step ... but support for you :) | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | wooooo | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | thanks!!!! | 10:22 |
| jsgotangco | "kitty" | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | hahaha | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | man if i get to move in this organization i have to fix up that website | 10:26 |
| RichEd | see the next email ... lots of resonance ... if you play this info right ... you'll be the 3way man on the ground for CBS & Ununtu & Canonical ralationship manager | 10:35 |
| RichEd | talk to me before you spread anything. we'll tie it up peoperly to server all of our aims | 10:35 |
| RichEd | properly to serve | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | sever lol | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | thanks im sending email now regarding some news i found | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | i gotta go | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | ciao | 11:37 |
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| valkyrie | hi | 12:24 |
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| rodarvus | good morning | 01:04 |
| bimberi | hi rodarvus | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | hi bimberi | 01:11 |
| bimberi | wow the local device support (in ogra's email of a few minutes ago) sounds fantastic | 01:12 |
| ogra | its really sexy :) | 01:14 |
| bimberi | sbalneav was very happy earlier :) | 01:14 |
| ogra | well, he broke a lot tonight :P | 01:14 |
| bimberi | lol | 01:15 |
| ogra | but i'm already fixing ... he also improved a lot ;) | 01:15 |
| ogra | ouch ... that mail went to the wrong list ... | 01:17 |
| bimberi | ogra: -users? that's ok isn't it? or are you worried about expectations | 01:19 |
| rodarvus | ogra, putting a default lts.conf in edubuntu edgy ? | 01:19 |
| ogra | rodarvus, yes, we discussed it yesterday in the meeting | 01:20 |
| rodarvus | ogra, yes, I remember :) | 01:20 |
| ogra | its one step in the K12 direction | 01:20 |
| rodarvus | I was asking if this is the email you were referring to (which you said you sent to the wrong mailing list) | 01:21 |
| rodarvus | but anyhow | 01:21 |
| ogra | together with dchpd.conf autogeneration and localdev that makes it possible for us to compete feature wise | 01:21 |
| rodarvus | the defaults seem just fine | 01:21 |
| ogra | great :) | 01:21 |
| rodarvus | SWAP is the one likely getting changed the most | 01:21 |
| ogra | well, we need a default size you can set anywhere | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | we could think about tweaking it automatically (without user interaction), but this is surely stuff for edgy+1 | 01:22 |
| ogra | err | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | ogra, yeah. 64mb is surely a good choice | 01:22 |
| ogra | but thast the target of the fully automatic swapserver spec | 01:22 |
| ogra | no user interaction at all | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | ogra, yes | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | but what I'm mentioning is changing the default setup automatically | 01:23 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:23 |
| rodarvus | (if this is part of the spec I missed it and need to stufy it with more care :) ) | 01:23 |
| rodarvus | ogra, considering disk space on the server, memory setup for clients, type of applications you are going to run, etc | 01:24 |
| ogra | right | 01:24 |
| ogra | but it should be an adjustable value ... | 01:24 |
| rodarvus | indeed | 01:24 |
| ogra | either thrugh a config on the server (/etc/nbd-something.conf) or (better) triggered from the client, so you can set individual swap sizes for different clients | 01:25 |
| ogra | its one option more to use in the clients swapon code ... nbd-server needs just to pick it up for the automatic swapfile creation | 01:26 |
| rodarvus | nice, that was my next question :) | 01:26 |
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| rodarvus | (if you could setup swap sizes different for each client) | 01:26 |
| ogra | you should be able to ... | 01:26 |
| ogra | indeed that doesnt need to be in the initial implementation ... a fixed size is fine in the beginning | 01:27 |
| ogra | but we offer per client settings in the lts.conf ... so we should keep it in mind :) | 01:27 |
| rodarvus | *nods* | 01:27 |
| bimberi | ah, _that_ email (only just got it :/ ) | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | wow my daughter counted to 200 without failure | 01:34 |
| jsgotangco | for a 4 1/2 year old that seems impressive | 01:34 |
| ogra | totally | 01:35 |
| bimberi | wow, it is! | 01:35 |
| jsgotangco | i started her teaching to use an abacus last week | 01:35 |
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| jsgotangco | heh im in awe as well | 01:38 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: you are the maintainer of the -user list, right? could you please find out why I ge tmy mails twice? it's lucasvo@vincisolutions.ch | 02:17 |
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| RichEd | very quiet here again today ... hmmmmm | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | ive been looking at the websites | 03:14 |
| RichEd | hey ... what do you think ? | 03:16 |
| RichEd | if you were pitching to a lightweight organisation on your own .. then I would say that Intel would say ... ho-hum ... another plea for help | 03:18 |
| RichEd | but seeing as it is (Ed)Ubuntu + a media related organisation with exposure possibilities & a good philanthropic track record ... in a country where they have alrady donme some good work ... | 03:20 |
| RichEd | I am sure we can put something together that serves the aims of all 3 parties ? | 03:21 |
| RichEd | --- Edubuntu boot CD question --- from Marilize ------------------------ | 03:21 |
| RichEd | Does the current LTS 6.06 allow a live CD boot option ? Or only an install ? | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: interestingly the people i will meet on the 30th are the heads of the two biggest foundations | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: the current LTS is only install (even the one on shipit) | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: we have a liveCD option but only for workstation | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | its because we ship a server solution primarily | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | rather than a desktop one | 03:22 |
| RichEd | The web site says "includes a Live CD" which I think is a remnant from the 2 CD pack. | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | is that from our website? | 03:23 |
| RichEd | And people are moaning ..... | 03:23 |
| RichEd | Ahhhh .... Ohhhhhhhh ..... Whine ..... | 03:23 |
| RichEd | So I guess we must correct the site then. | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | if its on our website i can change it | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | (edubuntu.org) | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | i was planning on doing a review a few days ago after i made some minor typo corrections but never got to | 03:24 |
| RichEd | will get the link from marilize now ... tx | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | yes please im in the cms now | 03:25 |
| RichEd | asking ... waiting ... | 03:27 |
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| jsgotangco | hhehe | 03:27 |
| RichEd | send me these names : <jsgotangco> RichEd: interestingly the people i will meet on the 30th are the heads of the two biggest foundations | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | gina lopez of abs-cbn and vicky garchitorena of ayala foundation (for gilas) | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | gina hooked us up with vicky | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | because of gilas | 03:29 |
| RichEd | i've just got the names & email addressess of the business development managers for this region at intel ... | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | well i think intel is part of gilas | 03:30 |
| RichEd | i'll drop your meeting names in the intro mail ... who knows ... maybe on the off chance they will want to join you ? | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | so our meeting with gilas is preliminary and introduce edubuntu/ubuntu | 03:30 |
| RichEd | please can you mail me with as much deatil as you can ? | 03:31 |
| RichEd | what's gilas, what's ayala, why are they joining you, and how do you mean intel is part of gilas ? | 03:32 |
| RichEd | REQUEST: | 03:32 |
| RichEd | <marilize> http://www.edubuntu.com/Download | 03:32 |
| RichEd | <marilize> it should not say Live CD.....for shipping | 03:32 |
| RichEd | <marilize> thanks | 03:32 |
| RichEd | END REQUEST | 03:32 |
| RichEd | thanks ... | 03:32 |
| RichEd | out for 30 mins ... | 03:32 |
| === RichEd has a crazy day today | ||
| jsgotangco | okay thanks | 03:33 |
| === jsgotangco fixes to 6.0.6.1 | ||
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: kewl :) | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: slacker | 03:34 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: :( | 03:35 |
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| highvoltage | i prefer it if you call me a slacker | 03:35 |
| highvoltage | *joke* | 03:35 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: GILAS is a privately funded project to connect to the internet the 5,000+ public schools in the country | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: its a 5 year project i think its on its 2nd year and only 1.200+ has been connected | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | let's also add a point release annoucement even if its a bit late | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | we shouldn't even have to link to cdimage since this is more of the developmental download links | 03:38 |
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| === highvoltage goes home [ ok ] | ||
| highvoltage | bye! | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | ok the page is done | 03:47 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: please check if its ok now | 03:50 |
| RichEd | marilize will test ... will let you know ... | 04:10 |
| RichEd | soon | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | i also added news of the point relase | 04:18 |
| jsgotangco | ahh fudge | 04:21 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all! | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | Hey ogra! | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Hi sbalneav | 04:37 |
| RichEd | gun tag herr grawert | 04:37 |
| sbalneav | hey bddebian jsgotangco RichEd | 04:37 |
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| RichEd | hi sbalneav ... & cbx33 | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | hi RichEd | 04:38 |
| bddebian | Hi jsgotangco, RichEd, cbx33 :-) | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | hi bddebian | 04:39 |
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| jsgotangco | hey | 04:40 |
| ogra | hey sbalneav | 04:42 |
| sbalneav | hey! | 04:42 |
| sbalneav | Sorry, I started the cdpinger from the startup, but what I was REALLY thinking was starting it from udev, when a cdrom is created | 04:43 |
| ogra | you forgot to close the (f) filehandle in cdpinger btw :) | 04:43 |
| sbalneav | but I couldn't think of the udev rule :( | 04:43 |
| ogra | has funny effects since you open a new f ever 3 seconds | 04:43 |
| ogra | *every | 04:43 |
| ogra | my client dies after some time with a "too many open files" error on the console | 04:44 |
| ogra | hmm, an udev rule ... | 04:45 |
| ogra | do we know that the blockdevice is a cdrom ? | 04:45 |
| ogra | ah, yes, indeed we do | 04:45 |
| ogra | thats trivial ... we can at least start it from the add_fstab script | 04:45 |
| ogra | i think i hand over the device type anyway already, let me look | 04:46 |
| ogra | LABEL=$(echo ${ID_BUS}${ID_TYPE}-$1|tr " " "_") | 04:47 |
| ogra | right | 04:47 |
| ogra | so if ${ID_TYPE} = cdrom we just start a cdpinger | 04:48 |
| sbalneav | that's what I was thinking. | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | then, if there's NO cdrom in the system, you're not running a pinger. | 04:49 |
| ogra | its just not easy to stop it ;) | 04:49 |
| ogra | at least in case of multiple cdroms | 04:49 |
| ogra | you cant just kill all of them ... | 04:49 |
| ogra | i dont want to do uglyy grepping stuff through the processlist ... | 04:50 |
| cbx33 | ogra, Iwas looking at the ACL | 04:50 |
| sbalneav | Hmmm. | 04:50 |
| cbx33 | for the scp | 04:50 |
| ogra | but even if you write a pid file, you wont know which one is right without looking in the processlist | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | from what I can see there are no restrictions on who can run scp | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | I think I bypassed the check symlink thing that you were doing every pass. We could just re-position that, and if the symlink goes away, we just exit! | 04:51 |
| sbalneav | howzzt? | 04:51 |
| ogra | cbx33, they are in scp itself, it doesnt start up with uid!=0 | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | I'll have to check that | 04:52 |
| cbx33 | the server side works great | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | pitti's got a few more requests :) | 04:52 |
| cbx33 | I have an ACL working | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | so I need to do that today :) | 04:52 |
| ogra | i lie the idea of dynamically strating it better though :) | 04:52 |
| ogra | *like | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | yeah, if they don't have a cdrom, no sense using up the ram. | 04:52 |
| sbalneav | simple and clean. I'm really linking this implementation. | 04:53 |
| ogra | yeah | 04:53 |
| ogra | it gets better every day ;) | 04:53 |
| ogra | additionally to being sexy in the beginning ;) | 04:53 |
| ogra | *already | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | Well, we have the two sexiest developers in Linux working on it, so how could it fail? | 04:54 |
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| bddebian | heh | 04:55 |
| ogra | :) | 04:56 |
| sbalneav | 3)'s the biggie. Any idears on that one? | 04:57 |
| ogra | damned ... the udev script wont work this way ... | 04:57 |
| sbalneav | verdampt? | 04:58 |
| ogra | yeah | 04:58 |
| ogra | the device wond be called cdrom ... so we cant use the symlink | 04:58 |
| ogra | at least fro usb devices you get scdX | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | ah, I'm already talking with keybuk about that, we've got the same problems with floppies. | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | I think there's a udev magical bit where you can pass the symlink name instead of the kernel name. | 05:00 |
| sbalneav | if nothing else we could do a RUN+="cdpinger cdrom%n" | 05:01 |
| ogra | have a look at 60-symlink.rules | 05:03 |
| ogra | will a 65 script override that ? | 05:03 |
| sbalneav | yes. should, that's what keybuk recommended. | 05:03 |
| ogra | oh, ah | 05:03 |
| ogra | heh | 05:03 |
| ogra | ENV{ID_CDROM}=="?*", SYMLINK+="cdrom" | 05:04 |
| ogra | that means that the symlink will always point to the most recent created device if i'm not wrong | 05:04 |
| sbalneav | right | 05:04 |
| ogra | which would mean its completely unreliable anyway | 05:05 |
| sbalneav | If we wanted separate ones, we'd wand SYMLINK+="cdrom%n" | 05:05 |
| sbalneav | Which would give us cdrom0 cdrom1, etc | 05:05 |
| ogra | yep | 05:05 |
| sbalneav | which would still work with g-v-m, and solve all the problems. | 05:05 |
| ogra | i wonder why the script doesnt do that yet already | 05:05 |
| ogra | looks buggy | 05:06 |
| === cbx33 made a great discovery today | ||
| jsgotangco | the 13th planet? | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | anyone who has bought a tosh laptop will have seen that plastic on the top | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | that peals off | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | yeah okay | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | it;s quite sticky and static | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | uh huh | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | if you put 15-20 sheets of that together | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | it's like flamin kevlar | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | and extremely light | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | I tried to stab a screwdriver through it | 05:07 |
| cbx33 | seriously full force | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | didn't get through | 05:08 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: link looks fine ... thanks | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | that's pretty tough stuff when in multiple sheets.....quite flexible too :p | 05:08 |
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| jsgotangco | okay so you're saying let's buy a lot of toshiba laptops and use them plastics to create a DIY protection suit | 05:08 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: cheers | 05:08 |
| cbx33 | jsgotangco, exactly | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | nice we'll be able to replace ogra's roof with toshiba laptops as well | 05:09 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 05:09 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: why don't we just handle the direct name, and just have cdpinger create directories like cdrom%n, and just scan the directory for the first available free n? | 05:11 |
| ogra | sounds like the best option :/ | 05:12 |
| sbalneav | so, we se scd[whatever] . and we look through /tmp/drives. If there's no cdrom0, then create it, if there is, then create cdrom1, etc etc/ | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | ogra, the implementation of the scp dbus I found a problem with | 05:12 |
| cbx33 | got a sec? | 05:12 |
| sbalneav | shouldn't be that much extra work. | 05:12 |
| ogra | no but its an ugly limitation i wouldt have expected | 05:13 |
| ogra | cbx33, shoot | 05:13 |
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| cbx33 | a) does the server know when a message has completed? | 05:13 |
| ogra | why should it need to ? | 05:13 |
| cbx33 | b) what happens if two people send a request from scp at the same ich time | 05:13 |
| sbalneav | yeah, I wasn't aware that %n was so flakey a number. | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | how shorta poll time should we have? | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | and should messages have timeout periods? | 05:14 |
| ogra | the second instalce should fail to connect, that needs internal handling in scp | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 05:14 |
| ogra | it shouldnt even start up | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | ok | 05:14 |
| cbx33 | so you're not even contemplating that two versions could be running at once | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | I was thinking of having a messaging bus with incrementing message numbers so the client can see which messages it has read | 05:15 |
| ogra | exactly | 05:15 |
| cbx33 | and have a TTL on the message | 05:15 |
| ogra | its limited to a single ltsp server anyway | 05:16 |
| ogra | i dont think you need message numbers | 05:16 |
| ogra | the client should just listen (poll every n secs) for a message from the namespace ... | 05:17 |
| ogra | if a list message comes and it finds $USER in there, it will accept the next message as well (which should be a command message) | 05:17 |
| cbx33 | how long till the mesage is deleted? | 05:18 |
| ogra | if theer doesnt come a second message after a certain time (5 secs or so) it starts to listen to "list" messages again | 05:18 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 05:18 |
| ogra | some seconds whould suffice for all clients to pick it up | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | how does the client know it's just done a message? | 05:19 |
| ogra | *should | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | and not to do the same message again | 05:19 |
| ogra | why shoudlnt it ? | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | ?? | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | if some one puts exec firefox in the queue | 05:19 |
| ogra | if i click a second time on execute it should execute a second time | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | of course it should | 05:19 |
| cbx33 | but how does the mesasge get cleared from the queue? | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | or fomr the bus | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | the scp server deletes it after a certain amount of time | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | ? | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | it can't just sit there, otherwise the client will keep acting on it? | 05:20 |
| ogra | for example ... doesnt dbus have a ttl mechanism ? | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | not at the level we are using | 05:20 |
| cbx33 | some of the things you wrote were extremely low level | 05:21 |
| ogra | then delete it after n seconds | 05:21 |
| cbx33 | and we don;t need to worry about | 05:21 |
| cbx33 | but then the poll time needs to match that exactly !! | 05:21 |
| cbx33 | if it's under the command can be run twice | 05:21 |
| ogra | well, mdz and iwj wanted it like that, i found it overkill as well ;) | 05:21 |
| cbx33 | if it's over it could get skipped | 05:21 |
| cbx33 | ogra, can I propose another system? | 05:22 |
| ogra | sure | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | well, | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | I think a message queue, with a ttl on each message is a lot better, | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | each message has an incremented number | 05:22 |
| cbx33 | and the client just keeps count of what the last number it acted on was | 05:23 |
| ogra | ok | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | if a message appears that applies to it, that is greater than the last count, run it | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | if not ... ignore it | 05:23 |
| ogra | but the messages must disappear from the bus anyway | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | yes | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | after the TTL | 05:23 |
| cbx33 | I'm just thinking this part of the system has to be pretty stable | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | if it crashes teachers lose control etc | 05:24 |
| ogra | the message it acts on must be listmessagenumber+1 | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | yes | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | and apply to it | 05:24 |
| cbx33 | user name etc | 05:24 |
| ogra | sure thats out of question | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | I also think that the 4 message system shoudl be changed for expandability | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | why not send one type of message | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | with a command as a prefix | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | instead of list, kill, exec | 05:25 |
| cbx33 | what do you think? | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I have an idear | 05:27 |
| ogra | you mean: "exec, firefox [user1, user2, usern] " ? | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | ogra, kinda yeh | 05:27 |
| ogra | sure, why not | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | instead of callig gnome-session directly... | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | I'll write up a new spec | 05:27 |
| cbx33 | for that section | 05:27 |
| ogra | we dot call gnome-session at all | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | Why not call a script that looks like: | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | #!/bin/sh | 05:27 |
| ogra | *dont | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | gnome-session | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | # clean up mounts. | 05:27 |
| ogra | its a prerequisite that we use the defaul XSession of the system | 05:27 |
| ogra | we never called gnome-session | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | Oh? | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | heh, never looked at what we called. | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | oh! | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | Do we call the xsession script? | 05:28 |
| ogra | /etc/X11/Xsession | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | ah, perfect. | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | We can put some cleanup in /etc/X11/Xsession.d | 05:29 |
| ogra | so you can add it to XSession.d instead ;) | 05:29 |
| ogra | desktop independent ;) | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | hah, beat you to it. | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | problem solved. | 05:29 |
| ogra | and you even wrote the full path ! | 05:30 |
| sbalneav | :) | 05:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra, is that ok for me to come up with a new spec for it, or shall I just go ahead and code it | 05:30 |
| cbx33 | and come up with a spec later :p | 05:30 |
| ogra | go ahead and code it and add it in an extra section to the spec, so i can wave it in | 05:30 |
| cbx33 | ogra, ok, only if you are happy with that implementation? | 05:30 |
| ogra | yep, thats fine | 05:31 |
| ogra | it adresses some weaknesses ;) | 05:31 |
| cbx33 | cool | 05:31 |
| cbx33 | it'll be early next week now :p | 05:32 |
| cbx33 | I'm away tomorrow and sat | 05:32 |
| cbx33 | and I have to have logout sounds done for 3 themes by tuesday | 05:32 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, what do you think about gconf integration ? | 05:42 |
| ogra | ltspfsmounter could check if a key is set for certain device types i.e. user is allowed to use local cd or local disks ... | 05:44 |
| ogra | that would enable the admin to lock down the key in a gui way via pessulus ... | 05:44 |
| ogra | gives fine grained access control | 05:44 |
| sbalneav | That sounds awesome, but I don't know diddly bupkis about gconf. | 05:49 |
| sbalneav | You'd use something like gconf-tool2 or something to look up the keys. | 05:49 |
| sbalneav | ? | 05:49 |
| sbalneav | Sorry, I'm at work, I'm rummaging around for a spare terminal to play now at work :) | 05:49 |
| ogra | heh | 05:50 |
| ogra | there is python-gconf | 05:50 |
| sbalneav | Oh, right, you were thinking of re-writing the mounter in python. | 05:50 |
| ogra | yep | 05:51 |
| sbalneav | I think that's an awesome solution. It will integrate well with pessalus/sabayon, and gives fine-grained control on a user-by-user basis | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 05:54 |
| ogra | well, we have that anyway by the fuse group already ;) but it would be finer grained | 05:56 |
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| cbx33 | why is all my text anti aliased now :S | 06:13 |
| Petaris | cbx33: its supposed to make it pritier | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | Petaris, it makes it more diffiult to read on this LCD | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | :S | 06:14 |
| Petaris | yeah, I have a monitor or two it utterly sucks on to | 06:14 |
| Petaris | makes it look fuzzy | 06:14 |
| sbalneav | aaaaaargh!!!! | 06:14 |
| sbalneav | 99xorg-common-startup: | 06:15 |
| sbalneav | exec $STARTUP | 06:15 |
| sbalneav | crumb! | 06:15 |
| sbalneav | ogra: That something we can change? | 06:15 |
| ogra | why ? | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | well, it's sourced. | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | so if you do an exec of the startup (i.e. gnome session) | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | there's no hope of slotting anything in afterwards :( | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | ogra, there is something wrong with taht ACL | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | :( | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | because xsession script's gone :( | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | I'll try and sort that out first | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | 2/3 logout sounds done | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | :D | 06:17 |
| ogra | sbalneav, i thought you wanted to clean up before | 06:18 |
| sbalneav | Before? | 06:18 |
| ogra | before the session starts | 06:18 |
| ogra | we cant change the ubuntu defaults there ... | 06:18 |
| sbalneav | So when the user logs out, you leave the dead bindmounts and all around? | 06:18 |
| sbalneav | We could clean up before, I suppose. | 06:19 |
| ogra | well, no | 06:19 |
| ogra | i wrote you something in my last mail ;) | 06:19 |
| sbalneav | oh, you're talking about what petter did? | 06:20 |
| ogra | yep | 06:20 |
| sbalneav | ah, ok, so you're on that case then. | 06:21 |
| ogra | ltspfsmounter can get a "cleanup" command | 06:21 |
| ogra | so ldm just needs to start (ugly way) /etc/X11/XSession && ltspfsmounter cleanup | 06:21 |
| ogra | but along these lines ... | 06:21 |
| sbalneav | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 06:21 |
| sbalneav | that's not ugly | 06:22 |
| sbalneav | that's brilliant | 06:22 |
| sbalneav | perfect | 06:22 |
| sbalneav | You're so smart. When I grow up I want to be just like you! :) | 06:22 |
| ogra | heh | 06:22 |
| ogra | i can only give that back :) | 06:23 |
| cbx33 | ogra, :D:D | 06:32 |
| cbx33 | this is going well | 06:32 |
| ogra | cool ! | 06:32 |
| cbx33 | apart from the ACL | 06:32 |
| cbx33 | I can send messages to the system bus, even though I'm not root | 06:32 |
| cbx33 | but I can't own the bus unless I'm root | 06:33 |
| cbx33 | so in essence the server script is working fine and restricted ok | 06:34 |
| cbx33 | however the client (scp) tool can still go about it's business as a normal user | 06:34 |
| sbalneav | ogra: ok, I'm having a dopey moment. I've set up the ltsp chroot, and I've got the terminal booted. done the ltsp-update-sshkeys, but when I log in, it just boots me back to the login. What have I missed? | 06:37 |
| ogra | hmm | 06:39 |
| ogra | set a root pw and look in the ldm.log ? | 06:39 |
| ogra | (on the terminal) | 06:39 |
| ogra | and look in ~/.xsession-errors | 06:40 |
| ogra | if you ran the update-sshkeys it should simply work ... is your sshd running? | 06:40 |
| sbalneav | ah, there's the proble, | 06:40 |
| sbalneav | i've got 2 cards in this box, and ltsp-update-sshkeys didn't add an entry for the card I'm running the term on | 06:41 |
| sbalneav | humm | 06:41 |
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| ogra | thats weird | 06:41 |
| ogra | shouldnt happen | 06:41 |
| sbalneav | re-ran it | 06:42 |
| sbalneav | lets see | 06:42 |
| ogra | is the interface up ? | 06:42 |
| ogra | indeed it is ... you just booted from it :) | 06:43 |
| ogra | silly me | 06:43 |
| cbx33 | ogra, regarding the ACL issue, could it be that we never actually denied send access to the interface before we allowed it from root? | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | so therefore by "default" everyone has send access | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | got it | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | that was it :D | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | we now have working ACL | 06:46 |
| cbx33 | w00t | 06:46 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, any idea why esd would connect to .ltspfs-socket ? | 06:49 |
| ogra | lsof -t gets me esd in the output | 06:49 |
| sbalneav | no idea at all | 06:53 |
| sbalneav | as for my logon problem: "Xsession started for user scbal..." | 06:53 |
| sbalneav | No profile found for user scbal | 06:53 |
| sbalneav | huh | 06:53 |
| ogra | sabayon ... | 06:53 |
| ogra | create a profile or remove sabayon | 06:54 |
| sbalneav | ohhhh | 06:54 |
| sbalneav | yep that was it. | 06:56 |
| sbalneav | that needs.... a better error message :) | 06:56 |
| ogra | yep | 06:56 |
| ogra | ldm needs them ;) | 06:56 |
| sbalneav | ok, lunchtime walkies! | 06:56 |
| ogra | enjoy | 06:56 |
| sbalneav | Need to keep my svelte figure :) | 06:57 |
| ogra | :) | 06:57 |
| sbalneav | bb in a bit | 06:57 |
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| ogra | hmm, the cdpinger doesnt wotk on uplug anymore either ... | 07:26 |
| ogra | oh, right, the check_mounted function is gone ... | 07:28 |
| ogra | so it doesnt clean u anymore ... | 07:28 |
| ogra | *up | 07:28 |
| cbx33 | ogra, we could use the scp daemon to poll users and make sure that the system message bus listener service is running for each user | 07:30 |
| ogra | daemon ? | 07:38 |
| ogra | please dont make that bigger than it is ... there should be a simple subfunction in scp | 07:39 |
| ogra | no daemons ... | 07:39 |
| cbx33 | I meant the scp message bus server | 07:39 |
| ogra | that should be scp itself | 07:40 |
| ogra | no separate rogram | 07:40 |
| cbx33 | oh right | 07:40 |
| ogra | and keep it as simple as possible | 07:40 |
| cbx33 | ogra, then | 07:41 |
| ogra | no two way communication or anything ... thats fine for version 2 | 07:41 |
| cbx33 | please explain in the spec | 07:41 |
| cbx33 | the difference between server and client | 07:41 |
| ogra | server = scp | 07:41 |
| ogra | client = the listener in the users session | 07:41 |
| ogra | i thought that was explained there | 07:42 |
| cbx33 | read the execution of the application | 07:42 |
| cbx33 | that paints a completely different picture | 07:42 |
| cbx33 | half the work I've done is not required | 07:42 |
| cbx33 | if we're implementing in the way you have just said | 07:42 |
| ogra | A Student Control Panel listener service file with the namespace 'com.ubuntu.StudentControlPanel' will be installed in /usr/share/dbus-1/service.d/ which will listen for messages from Student Control Panel. | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | read further down | 07:43 |
| ogra | doesnt talk about a "student control panel server" | 07:43 |
| cbx33 | further down it gives that impression | 07:43 |
| ogra | but about student control panel | 07:43 |
| ogra | oh, right Client here = SCP | 07:45 |
| ogra | i'll add the word schematic to the caption of that piece ... | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | so client and server are the same thing? | 07:45 |
| ogra | no | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | then why does it have to communicate with itself over dbus? | 07:45 |
| cbx33 | ok what is server | 07:46 |
| ogra | SCP communicates with a tool in the users session | 07:46 |
| ogra | what you are referring to is a plain schematic picture | 07:46 |
| ogra | i could have written A and B instead of Server and Client | 07:46 |
| cbx33 | yeh I understand that | 07:46 |
| ogra | or X and Y | 07:46 |
| ogra | its just to show the dataflow | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | but it implies that the A talks to B | 07:47 |
| ogra | nothing you should base an implementation on | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | and the C picks up the messages from the bu | 07:47 |
| ogra | right | 07:47 |
| ogra | they are two different apps | 07:47 |
| cbx33 | so who are A and B | 07:47 |
| ogra | A is SCP | 07:48 |
| ogra | B is the tool running in the users session | 07:48 |
| cbx33 | and C? | 07:48 |
| ogra | ?? | 07:48 |
| ogra | there are only two ends on a sausage ... what do you mean with C ? | 07:48 |
| cbx33 | ok.... | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | line by line.... | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | Client (SCP) sends the message | 07:50 |
| cbx33 | to where? | 07:50 |
| ogra | sigh | 07:50 |
| ogra | dbus | 07:50 |
| ogra | on the system bus | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | Server (who is this) verifies the message | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | unless by this you mean server as in LTSP | 07:51 |
| ogra | no | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | the dbus server | 07:51 |
| ogra | forget about the term server | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I get it now.... | 07:51 |
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| cbx33 | that entire section | 07:51 |
| cbx33 | is the authentication | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | o my word | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | I can;t beleive I was so THICK ! | 07:52 |
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| cbx33 | ogra my apologies.....I totally mis understood taht section | 07:52 |
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| cbx33 | can you ever forgive that stupidity | 07:54 |
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| ogra | even if we might have a remote executable SCP at some point for remote management of multiple SCP servers, there will only be one instance running on the respective server | 07:59 |
| ogra | s/muliple SCP servers/multiple LTSP servers/ | 07:59 |
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| cbx33 | my case was two teachers in different class rooms | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | wanting to control students | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | both rooms powered by the same ltsp server | 08:00 |
| ogra | that cant work ... | 08:01 |
| ogra | unless you have userlists and databases who is in which room | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | or databases of which machines are in which room | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | which is how our system at school works currently | 08:01 |
| ogra | how would you know | 08:02 |
| ogra | its 100% dynamically .... all you could use here would be the MAC address of the client | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | we use a commercial package at the moment | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | called ranger remote | 08:02 |
| ogra | thats the only thing thats not dynamically | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | yes it uses macs | 08:02 |
| ogra | and its way beyond SCP at the current state | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:02 |
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| ogra | i really need to go on coding now | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | once again I apologise for making you pull your hair out | 08:03 |
| ogra | nah, it was very badly written, yu are right | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | sorry again | 08:03 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: Got time for a quick techie discussion? | 08:51 |
| ogra | sure | 08:54 |
| ogra | let me make a fresh coffee first :) | 08:55 |
| sbalneav | ok, while you're making coffee, I'll type: pitti wants us to make sure when we unmount the directory, it's ours... | 08:55 |
| sbalneav | However, I can't do a stat() call, because EVEN IF I DROP PRIVS!, fuse stops us because the binaries setuid, so I can't stat the directory. | 08:56 |
| sbalneav | However, what I CAN do, is check /proc/mounts for the mountpoint: | 08:56 |
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| sbalneav | which will show somehing like uid=1000 in the options field. | 08:57 |
| sbalneav | So, before unmounting, I look for the dir in proc mounts, see that it's got a bindmount owned by me, and it should be safe, yes? | 08:57 |
| sbalneav | That make sense? | 08:57 |
| sbalneav | Pitti's not in -devel, otherwise i'd ask him | 08:58 |
| ogra | he'll be around later, we have distro meeting at 1am (local time) | 08:59 |
| sbalneav | 1am? | 08:59 |
| sbalneav | Wow | 08:59 |
| ogra | 23:00 UTC | 08:59 |
| sbalneav | I'm going to assume that's valid, and code it for now. | 09:00 |
| sbalneav | since I KNOW that the stat() call won't work. :) | 09:00 |
| ogra | ok | 09:00 |
| sbalneav | It's this or don't do the test :) | 09:00 |
| ogra | yeah | 09:01 |
| ogra | i'D rather dont ) | 09:01 |
| ogra | :) | 09:01 |
| ogra | it starts getting a lot of bloat here | 09:01 |
| pygi | ogra, libburn burns ^_^ | 09:02 |
| sbalneav | Don't think pitti will like that. And we want to stay in his good books :) | 09:03 |
| ogra | sbalneav, btw whyts /tmp/foople for ? :) | 09:03 |
| sbalneav | argh. Debugging stuff left in. | 09:04 |
| ogra | lets use ~/.xsession-errors :) | 09:04 |
| sbalneav | anything I send you while developing might have wibbly bits in it :) | 09:04 |
| ogra | probably even for cdpinger etc *g* we could send it through the socket :P | 09:04 |
| sbalneav | I name all my debugging files/variable/etc "foo*", then after I've got everything working, I do a "grep foo *" on my source, and clean them all up :) | 09:05 |
| ogra | ok, looks like i have cdpinger running fully again here with the usb cdrom ... it doesnt cry if i unplug etc ... | 09:05 |
| ogra | ah, nice :) | 09:06 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ fusermount --help | 09:06 |
| ogra | bash: /usr/bin/fusermount: Permission denied | 09:06 |
| ogra | grmbl | 09:06 |
| ogra | I ONLY WANT YOUR HELPSCREEN YOU DARN THING ! | 09:07 |
| ogra | sorry :) | 09:07 |
| ogra | sad, there is no --user option for the unmount :) | 09:08 |
| sbalneav | yeah, fuse is HYPER secure | 09:08 |
| ogra | would be nice to just fusermount -uzq --user $USER | 09:09 |
| ogra | to unmount everything | 09:09 |
| sbalneav | ogra: ah, so that's the hacked up cdpinger that I gave you last night being launched from udev? | 09:09 |
| ogra | nope | 09:09 |
| ogra | cdpinger itself had some serious bugs | 09:09 |
| ogra | i rewrote the lsof part completely ... | 09:10 |
| ogra | fiddled around with the unmount .... (it started to unmount over and over when i unplugged ... | 09:10 |
| ogra | ) | 09:10 |
| ogra | and re-added the check for the link and the closing of the filehandle ... | 09:11 |
| sbalneav | awsome. mail me please please please please please please pretty please | 09:13 |
| ogra | suure | 09:14 |
| ogra | sbalneav, sent | 09:17 |
| sbalneav | thx | 09:17 |
| sbalneav | are you starting it from udev, or still just statically? | 09:17 |
| ogra | still statically | 09:18 |
| ogra | with one default one started with cdrom as argument | 09:18 |
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| ogra | and after that i'm running the loop for multiple CDs you added | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | ok ogra I'm getting there again | 09:23 |
| sbalneav | Cool, lookin HOT | 09:23 |
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| cbx33 | my listener is just not receiving the signals | 09:23 |
| cbx33 | but it will receive HAL signals | 09:23 |
| cbx33 | : | 09:23 |
| cbx33 | S | 09:23 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, oh, the check_mount function can be dropped again | 09:23 |
| ogra | i did that onyl for s test | 09:24 |
| ogra | *some | 09:24 |
| ogra | oh, i didnt even realize you write directly to fstab :) | 09:25 |
| ogra | to sad thats not possible with sed | 09:25 |
| ogra | thats bothering be in the remove_fstab_entry script | 09:25 |
| ogra | *me | 09:26 |
| sbalneav | yeah, I just figured why call an extra program when we're already python. | 09:26 |
| sbalneav | figured it might be faster. | 09:26 |
| ogra | (sed needs to write a .swp file to /etc for it :/) | 09:26 |
| ogra | (and mv doesnt work either because t needs to remove the file first) | 09:27 |
| ogra | heh ... | 09:27 |
| ogra | we could make cdpinger a python module :P | 09:28 |
| ogra | then i could just use the functions from it in the add/remove_fstab_entry scripts | 09:28 |
| ogra | hmm ... | 09:30 |
| ogra | hmm ... | 09:30 |
| ogra | hmm hmm | 09:30 |
| ogra | what about just starting/killing cdpinger from these scripts ? | 09:31 |
| ogra | for all devices | 09:31 |
| ogra | not ... that'll eat to much mem | 09:32 |
| sbalneav | yeah, I like it how it is for memory sticks: there's nothing hanging around, the connection's plumbed, and then it's done. | 09:33 |
| ogra | but in fact we do a lot redundant stuff | 09:33 |
| ogra | all the functions we have in cdpinger are used in the udev scripts in shell ... | 09:33 |
| sbalneav | brb, work ping | 09:34 |
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| ogra | sed -e "/^\/dev\/$1 /d" /etc/fstab >/tmp/fstab | 09:46 |
| ogra | cp /tmp/fstab /etc/ | 09:46 |
| ogra | rm /tmp/fstab | 09:46 |
| ogra | thats better :) | 09:46 |
| ogra | still not perfect but well | 09:46 |
| sbalneav | gad, the nerve of these people, expecting me to work on LEGALAID related matters during working hours! Don't they know I've got Ubuntu stuff to take care of? :) | 09:49 |
| ogra | heh | 09:49 |
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| cbx33 | pygi, know a good way in python to return the current username? | 11:42 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | >>> import os | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | >>> os.getlogin() | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | 'rodarvus' | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | >>> | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | oooh thanks rodarvus | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | :) | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that os module is nifty | 11:45 |
| rodarvus | I wish all questions could be as easily answered as this one ;) | 11:45 |
| cbx33 | I looked at the docs | 11:46 |
| cbx33 | but couldn't find one | 11:46 |
| rodarvus | cbx33, the interactive interpreter is the *best* doc you can find in python | 11:46 |
| rodarvus | dir (module) does wonders | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | ok, I've got like 2 hrs to come up with a talk about Launchpad :-) | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | hmmmm | 11:46 |
| cbx33 | EASY | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | yeah right | 11:53 |
| rodarvus | how long is your talk going to be? | 11:54 |
| rodarvus | what aspects of LP are you going to talk about? | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | well, 1hr | 11:54 |
| rodarvus | LaunchPad is *huge* stuff :) | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | of course | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | I was supposed to be a backup because I'm giving another talk | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | but nobody wanted to touch LP ;-) | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | but the conference is pretty informal | 11:55 |
| rodarvus | LaserJock, you're going to talk about LP itself, Malone, Rosetta, Soyuz, Blueprint, or something else? | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | so I think I'll talk about Malone, Rosetta, Soyuz, Blueprint | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | briefly show how to get around a bit | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | maybe a little triaging or something | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | and then maybe have more of a discussion | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | about peoples experiences with it or something | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | that's the best I can figure out | 11:57 |
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| sbalneav | Hello all | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | hi scotty | 11:59 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, ok | 12:10 |
| cbx33 | kill is now performed via dbus | 12:10 |
| cbx33 | I've done it | 12:10 |
| cbx33 | 70% of the work done | 12:10 |
| cbx33 | just need to do execute | 12:10 |
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