[12:09] <Cr4sh5> farious: I remind you that my laptop has no internet what so ever...so im on a different comp
[12:10] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: write it all down, exactly what you did and how you did it and contribute it to the wiki man
[12:10] <farous> Cr4sh5: you asked how to compile the ndiswrapper
[12:10] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: sure. good idea
[12:10] <mikki> and i thought i did install it in adept
[12:10] <farous> i told you it is already there all you need is sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:10] <Jazon> then i can follow it when i do mine :P
[12:11] <farous> Cr4sh5: just take care of spell mistakes
[12:11] <Cr4sh5> farious: nothing happens when I do that...it just pulls up the next line
[12:11] <farous> Cr4sh5: then it worked perfectly it is supposed to do that
[12:11] <reddwolf> hello
[12:11] <farous> Cr4sh5: to make the command automatically loaded
[12:12] <farous> Cr4sh5: do the following, ksu kate /etc/modules
[12:12] <farous> Cr4sh5: add ndiswrapper to the end of the list
[12:12] <Gh0st75> is Keep what i should be using to make backups of Kubuntu?
[12:12] <jon_> new tower and power supply =)
[12:12] <anssi_> now it installed java i installed it from the konsole...hope it works
[12:13] <farous> Cr4sh5: all you need now is follow the help pages on ndiswrapper. You need the ndiswrapper-utils package installed + you need the .inf file of your card
[12:13] <reddwolf> i'm looking for a little bit of help i'm trying to play mp3s  on my linux but none of the music players support it
[12:13] <reddwolf> can anyone jug gest anything
[12:14] <reddwolf> *suggest
[12:14] <Cr4sh5> farious: how do i get permission to add ndiswrapper to the end of the list
[12:14] <farous> Cr4sh5: if you used ksu kate /etc/modules
[12:15] <farous> you would be asked for your passwd and already have permission
[12:15] <Cr4sh5> bash: ksu: command not found
[12:15] <farous> hmm
[12:15] <jott> kdesu ;)
[12:15] <farous> anyone is it kde
[12:15] <farous> ok got it
[12:15] <farous> use jott command
[12:15] <waspius_> anyone know why my trash does not show when it is full??
[12:16] <farous> jott: using fluxbox here :)
[12:16] <waspius_> anyone?
[12:17] <jott> farous: no problem ;) just say sudo next time it's wm independent ;)
[12:17] <farous> jott: not recommend for gui appl
[12:17] <farous> i only use sudo nano or sudo vi here
[12:17] <Cr4sh5> farious: okay I added ndiswrapper to the end of the list
[12:17] <reddwolf> i'm looking for a little bit of help i'm trying to play mp3s  on my linux but none of the music players support it
[12:17] <farous> Cr4sh5: great do you have the .inf file for your card
[12:18] <Cr4sh5> farous: I dont know what that is where can I get it?
[12:18] <anssi_> another thing...what command for installing flashplayer
[12:18] <jott> farous: you could also do xhost +local:root and use su ;)
[12:19] <farous> jott: and start a flam war on ubuntu :)
[12:19] <jott> haha ;)
[12:19] <Cr4sh5> farious: whats teh Inf?
[12:20] <Ids> a
[12:20] <reddwolf> i'm looking for a little bit of help i'm trying to play mp3s  on my linux but none of the music players support itor how i can get my dvd to work
[12:20] <farous> Cr4sh5: wait looking for a link for you
[12:20] <Cr4sh5> thanks
[12:20] <farous> Cr4sh5: i thought you already have that as you were installing ndiswrapper
[12:20] <anssi_> sudo apt-get install flash.plugin ...am i correct?
[12:21] <jott> anssi_: flashplugin-nonfree
[12:21] <Cr4sh5> farious: well...I want wireless and someone told me to get ndiswrapper
[12:21] <farous> !ndiswrapper
[12:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:21] <anssi_> package not found?????
[12:21] <farous> easier then looking into my bookmarks :)
[12:21] <jott> !flash
[12:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:22] <anssi_> i cant get flash
[12:22] <anssi_> but i could get java..strange
[12:22] <Jazon> Cr4sh5: i also suggested www.linuxant.com    it is point and click...
[12:22] <farous> Cr4sh5: can you see your card on this list https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:23] <reddwolf> ok what does linus support if it does not supoort mp3 or wav files
[12:23] <jott> anssi_: you have to enable multiverse repository...
[12:23] <Gh0st75> reddwolf: it supports those formats, just not by default
[12:23] <farous> Cr4sh5: and here is the page on ndiswrapper https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[12:23] <anssi_> jett...i have it enabled
[12:24] <Cr4sh5> farous: nope.
[12:24] <anssi_> jott..sorry
[12:24] <reddwolf> oh ok
[12:24] <farous> Cr4sh5: i sent you the page on ndiswrapper look it up have the remaning steps and the steps we already covered
[12:24] <anssi_> thats strange
[12:24] <Gh0st75> ubotu got any guides on using Keep?
[12:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about got any guides on using Keep? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <farous> !keep
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <farous> !backup
[12:25] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[12:25] <reddwolf> is there a program i can get for linux to change from those formates to awhat linux does suport
[12:25] <obf213> any idea why code in c works on windows but not in linux.
[12:26] <farous> obf213: install build-essential package
[12:26] <obf213> ok
[12:26] <link_36p> Can vlc save network streams?
[12:26] <aliasfred> link_36p: yes
[12:26] <obf213> farous i have that packet
[12:26] <chab> reddwolf: install gstreamer
[12:26] <anssi_> what about the flash
[12:26] <Gh0st75> heh, lots of links for Ubuntu programs, but not many for Kubuntu proggies yet
[12:27] <reddwolf> were is that at
[12:27] <anssi_> cant install i have multiverse enabled
[12:27] <obf213> farous kdeveloper makes me open a hello world template, which runs, then ihave to clear it and type in my code which never works but the same code works on windows c programmers
[12:27] <farous> obf213: and gcc won't work with you
[12:27] <jott> anssi_: did you apt-get update ?
[12:27] <Jazon> Cr4sh5: look at your priv msg
[12:27] <obf213> farous installed, let me shwo you the erro rmesage
[12:28] <anssi_> jott..yheah
[12:28] <Nickenyfiken> is the sudo system in Kubuntu bugged? Some programs require me to start from run... as root user. If i dont it loads for a while after the prompt for password and nothing more happens
[12:28] <anssi_> yeah
[12:28] <chab> reddwolf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[12:28] <chab> just do what it says there
[12:28] <reddwolf> thanks
[12:29] <jott> anssi_: so apt-cache search flashplugin returns nothing?
[12:29] <farous> gtg now take care obf213 hope you figure out your prob :)
[12:30] <anssi_> no
[12:30] <reddwolf> ok
[12:31] <link_36p> aliasfred: Do you save it by doing Open Network Stream > Stream Output > File
[12:32] <aliasfred> link_36p: i dont remember how exactly but i already did it, what you suggest seems goo
[12:32] <aliasfred> d
[12:32] <anssi_> blaaah im getting bored about these broplems with java nad flash
[12:33] <anssi_> problems sorry
[12:34] <StrudelNinja_> anyone know how to install the new filters from http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40122 into krita?
[12:36] <obf213> !libraries
[12:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libraries - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:36] <anssi_> help me!!!
[12:37] <obf213> !c
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <obf213> !programming
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about programming - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <anssi_> i really would like to get flash for my browser
[12:38] <anssi_> flashplugin
[12:38] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon, jott: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[12:38] <anssi_> !flashplugin
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <plugs> what does BREAK (upgrade) mean?
[12:39] <anssi_> !aargh
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aargh - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <anssi_> lol
[12:39] <nagyv> Hello! Is there someone who is using the 3.5.4 kde? I would like to use kopete 0.12 to be able to voicechat with others, but on the http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle site there are some dependencies and config options specified. Can I fulfill them if installing via http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php ?
[12:40] <Cr4sh5> farous: okay I was following i made a dir in home called repos and then I CD to that directory and and did sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-4ubuntu2_i386.deb and if gives me errors
[12:40] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: thx 4 the plug... :P
[12:40] <Jazon> cool - well done m8
[12:40] <anssi_> anyone who can help me about my problems with flash
[12:40] <anssi_> ???
[12:40] <Jazon> anssi_: state your problem
[12:40] <SeicherlBoB> Jazon: sure mate. thanks. gotta go now drink a beer! CHEERS!
[12:41] <Cr4sh5> okay I was following i made a dir in home called repos and then I CD to that directory and and did sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-4ubuntu2_i386.deb and if gives me errors
[12:41] <Jazon> SeicherlBoB: i will join you!
[12:41] <anssi_> i have multiverse enabled but it wont let me install flashplugin nonfree
[12:42] <anssi_> what should i do?
[12:42] <larson9999> anssi_: get java working in konqueror?
[12:44] <nagyv> Anyone who is voicechatting useing kopete 0.12?
[12:45] <anssi_> nothing works
[12:45] <obf213> no
[12:45] <larson9999> nagyv: i'm getting ready to try that and webcam on my son's pc to see if he can use that to chat with his grandma in thailand instead of windows
[12:46] <obf213> any c programmers on here
[12:46] <anssi_> i installed java...dont work still...i hate this kubuntu system
[12:46] <obf213> i need get libraries like genlib and stuff, plus i have a feelign that linux require different syntax
[12:46] <nagyv> larson9999: what do you mean getting ready? (sorry, my english) could you use it or you will try it in the near future?
[12:46] <obf213> anssi, how does java not work
[12:46] <larson9999> nagyv: i'll probably try this weekend
[12:47] <larson9999> anssi_: what do you mean "won't let you install?"
[12:47] <nagyv> larson9999: would you like to go through my questions now?
[12:47] <larson9999> anssi_: what's the message you get?
[12:47] <anssi_> it says flashplugin nonfree is not available
[12:48] <larson9999> nagyv: not for sake since i haven't tried it yet
[12:49] <anssi_> or not found...sorry
[12:49] <nagyv> larson9999: actually I would like to know only 2 things: 1. how to know wheather the precompiled package is comfigured with --enable-jingle; 2. how to find out the necessary packages listed as dependencies? the link:  http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[12:49] <larson9999> anssi_: are you still set on using konqueror instead of firefox?
[12:49] <anssi_> can i download it from somewhere and install it otherwise
[12:49] <anssi_> yeah
[12:49] <rambo3> new to kubuntu here , how do i install launch bar menu theme ?
[12:50] <mikki> how do i open .rar files
[12:50] <anssi_> dont have firefox
[12:50] <rambo3> unrar
[12:50] <nagyv> anssi_: unrar, but first you should install it
[12:50] <larson9999> anssi_: i've never used them in konqueror.
[12:50] <anssi_> oh sorry i downloaded firefox
[12:51] <larson9999> anssi_: if you REALLY want i could try to install in konqueror.
[12:51] <anssi_> how do i install it
[12:51] <larson9999> anssi_: firefox?
[12:51] <anssi_> no you dont have to tell me how do i install firefox
[12:51] <larson9999> you probably have it already.  type firefox and see
[12:51] <mikki> i installed something caled unrar-free
[12:51] <mikki> is that right?
[12:51] <larson9999> anssi_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:52] <anssi_> i have a file firefox-1.5.tar.gz
[12:52] <anssi_> what do i do now
[12:52] <jujimufu> hey, I downloaded the sources for autoconf (because it doesn't exist in any repo), and although the ./configure finishes normally, when I type "make" it says "command not found"
[12:52] <rambo3> anssi learn to use synaptic
[12:53] <larson9999> anssi_: if you want me to help just do what i say.  when you get more experience, you can do otherwise.  just my advice of course
[12:53] <rambo3> apt-get install make
[12:53] <rambo3> !build-esential
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about build-esential - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <anssi_> synaptic???? ...i have adept
[12:53] <larson9999> anssi_: just open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox"
[12:53] <jujimufu> why the fuck would kubuntu not have make alreayd installed ;(
[12:53] <jott> anssi_: adept sucks...
[12:54] <jujimufu> it's just one executable, ffs.
[12:54] <obf213> anssi: adept is the same thing
[12:54] <anssi_> so now its loading firefox
[12:54] <larson9999> jujimufu: most distros don't have the bulid stuff installed unless you tell it to.  in my experience anyway
[12:54] <mikki> is it unrar-free i should install to get .rar files to work???
[12:54] <rambo3> !rar
[12:54] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:54] <Riddell> jujimufu: we don't have space for development tools on the CD.  and mind your language
[12:55] <jujimufu> ok, sorry :(
[12:55] <jott> larson9999: gentoo without build stuff would be funny ;)
[12:55] <jujimufu> lol
[12:55] <jujimufu> :)
[12:55] <mikki> !info unrar-free
[12:55] <anssi_> but kubuntu dont have synaptic
[12:55] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1-2 (dapper), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[12:55] <jujimufu> jott: without emerge either :)
[12:55] <larson9999> jott: i was going to use gentoo but then i figured i'd have less to compile if i used lfs
[12:55] <jott> jujimufu: true ;)
[12:55] <rambo3> haha funny or i dont know what i am talking about funny
[12:55] <jujimufu> larson9999: lol :D
[12:56] <mikki> The utility unrar is not in your PATH., what does that mean?
[12:56] <larson9999> anssi_: so you got firefox installed now?
[12:56] <jujimufu> larson9999: they say Linus started making linux because gentoo was too hard for him to install...
[12:56] <anssi_> 22 seconds and then it installs firefox
[12:56] <anssi_> sorry yes i have
[12:56] <rambo3> echo $PATH
[12:56] <larson9999> anssi_: you said you are coming from windows. you didn't use firefox or mozilla in windows?
[12:56] <anssi_> or no i dont
[12:57] <anssi_> no
[12:57] <jott> larson9999: opera rocks all os ;)
[12:57] <jujimufu> well
[12:57] <jujimufu> jott: doubt that
[12:57] <larson9999> jott: opera is ok, too.
[12:57] <jujimufu> jott: I still prefer rock n roll
[12:57] <jujimufu> :)
[12:57] <jujimufu> I like the Book of Mozilla
[12:57] <anssi_> it dont show anywhere that ive got firefox now
[12:58] <larson9999> anssi_: do what this says: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#plugins
[12:58] <jujimufu> anssi_: in the K menu (the K in the panel), Internet -> firefox
[12:58] <jujimufu> it should be there
[12:58] <mikki> The utility unrar is not in your PATH., what does that mean? i installed unrar
[12:58] <jujimufu> and if it's not, try running "firefox" from a konsole
[12:58] <anssi_> no its not there
[12:58] <larson9999> anssi_: if it isn't there, either try firefox or mozilla-firefox from a konsole
[12:58] <rambo3> mikki it means its no in "short cut" or know usual path
[12:59] <anssi_> now it opened it
[12:59] <mikki> is there some way to fix that?
[12:59] <jott> jujimufu: i like elinks in 256 color mode ;)
[12:59] <larson9999> anssi_: do what this says: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#plugins and then check out this site: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/
[01:00] <larson9999> pick out the things you think you'd like
[01:00] <anssi_> why dont it show on the K menu?
[01:01] <larson9999> anssi_: sometimes it takes a bit for things to show in the k-menu.  it should be under internet -> web browsers
[01:01] <anssi_> nah
[01:01] <larson9999> anssi_: you might even need to log out and back in.  i've used kde in many distros and the start menu hardly ever work the way you'd think
[01:02] <mikki> when i install unrar where does it eend up?
[01:02] <larson9999> anssi_: if you installed from that tar file it might not have created a menu item
[01:03] <rambo3> mikki i  dont remember now , you can alwas locate unrar i  use it from there or ask somone else about how to add path to $PATH
[01:04] <larson9999> anssi_: here is a ubuntu specific plugin site http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/distronotes/ubuntu-x86.html
[01:04] <link_36p> Anyone know how to save netowrk streams?
[01:04] <anssi_> no i did just what you said larson
[01:04] <anssi_> okay just a moment i log out and back in
[01:04] <larson9999> anssi_: ok.  like i said, it may take a bit for it to show up
[01:05] <kbrooks> Hi all.
[01:05] <mikki> someone else how do i add path to PATH?
[01:06] <rambo3> kbfx is for a newer kde or is it in kubuntu too?
[01:06] <jott> mikki: edit /etc/environment ..
[01:06] <anssi_> yeah that worked now it shows on my  K menu
[01:06] <jott> temporary you can use    export PATH=$PATH:thepathyouwantoadd
[01:06] <kbrooks> mikki: export PATH=directory:$PATH - You will need to put this in /etc/environment.
[01:06] <kbrooks> jott: Wait.
[01:07] <larson9999> anssi_: the kde start menu definitely has issues.  something people will tell me otherwise.  usually when i tell them the things that don't work they end up saying stuff like, "well, i don't use it anyway."
[01:07] <kbrooks> mikki: In a terminal, type "kdesu kate /etc/environment"
[01:07] <jujimufu> I do ./autogen.sh (according to this site: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building) and I get this error:
[01:07] <jujimufu> configure.ac:28: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC
[01:07] <jujimufu>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
[01:07] <jujimufu>       See the Autoconf documentation.
[01:07] <jujimufu> configure.ac:29: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
[01:07] <jujimufu> autoreconf: /usr/local/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
[01:07] <rambo3> there is some command after editing /etc/environment to update it all
[01:07] <mikki> hmm i have no idea what u are saying
[01:08] <anssi_> i like the looks of kde
[01:08] <larson9999> anssi_: ok, now check out this ubuntu specific plugin site http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/distronotes/ubuntu-x86.html
[01:08] <mikki> lets start with step 1
[01:08] <kbrooks> mikki: step 1. open a terminal.
[01:08] <jott> jujimufu: check you are using the correct version of autoconf that is needed..
[01:09] <kbrooks> I forgot how, I'm not in Kubuntu at the moment.
[01:09] <mikki> DONE
[01:09] <StrudelNinja_> anyone know how to install filters in krita?
[01:09] <mikki> i need step 2:S
[01:09] <kbrooks> mikki: now, type kdesu kate /etc/environment
[01:09] <ubuntu> kbrooks: you're in what?
[01:09] <rambo3> step 2 would be to find where unrar is
[01:09] <kbrooks> ubuntu: What your nickname says.
[01:09] <rambo3> use find or updatefb  and locate
[01:10] <kbrooks> rambo3: Don't confuse mikki.
[01:10] <anssi_> okay then what
[01:10] <ubuntu> I thought ubuntu and kubuntu were the same
[01:10] <ubuntu> it's mostly gnome vs kde
[01:10] <kbrooks> ubuntu: Yeah.
[01:10] <mikki> hehe no dont do that
[01:10] <rambo3> kbrooks: so are you just going to guess where unrar is located or type random dirs
[01:11] <ubuntu> ha, right, so it isn't the same apps
[01:11] <kbrooks> rambo3: he didnt ask about unrar.
[01:11] <mikki> i got kate now
[01:11] <kbrooks> rambo3: Find out who asked about unrar.
[01:12] <anssi_> is x86 same as if i have a 64 bit system?
 The utility unrar is not in your PATH., what does that mean? i installed unrar
[01:12] <larson9999> anssi_: actually, you might just want to look at the regular linux plugin doc.  the ubuntu specific stuff looks like it might be outdated.  at any rate, the mozilla plugin sites give you what you want.
[01:12] <kbrooks> mikki: scroll down, using the down arrow key or page down, or the scroll bars, to the end of the text file. You may need to use the down arrow key  to get to the end of it.
[01:13] <ubuntu> does anyone find that ubuntu is slower than other distribs?
[01:13] <mikki> its 4 lines
[01:14] <anssi_> how do i uninstall konqueror?
[01:14] <kbrooks> anssi_: Why do you want to?
[01:14] <mikki> but yes im trying to open a .rar file and i get this message: The utility unrar is not in your PATH
[01:14] <kbrooks> anssi_: You shouldn't.
[01:14] <chab> kbrooks: what kind of answer is that?
[01:15] <ubuntu> someone asking how to remove konqueror in kubuntu
[01:15] <kbrooks> chab: in KDE, Konqueror is used a lot.
[01:15] <ubuntu> that's quite fun
[01:15] <anssi_> why should i have two browsers?
[01:15] <rambo3> kbrooks: now you say sorry i just jumped in the middle of conversation and i dont know what you are  talking about
[01:15] <ubuntu> anssi_: it isn't only a browser
[01:15] <kbrooks> chab: including by KDE itself.
[01:15] <anssi_> oh yeah it shows my folders etc...
[01:15] <jujimufu> anssi_: in windows, you had Explorer and Internet Explorer: one to view your files, and one to surf the internet
[01:16] <chab> kbrooks: err, you don't have to tell me, i just asked you what kind of answer your "why do you want to?" is..
[01:16] <anssi_> sorry i forgot
[01:16] <mikki> kbrooks: now back to me
[01:17] <kbrooks> rambo3: ok ok, i apoologise
[01:17] <chab> kbrooks: but since you'd like to educate me, what does konqueror do except file-browser/webbrowser?
[01:17] <kbrooks> mikki: turning you over to rambo3
[01:17] <mikki> hehe
[01:17] <kbrooks> chab: fish:/,  man:/
[01:17] <kbrooks> gopher:/
[01:17] <mikki> i dont think he wants me
[01:18] <larson9999> anssi_: it just seems that most like konqueror as a file manager and another 'real' browser for the web.  now the konqueror people will tell you that's not fair but i think it is
[01:18] <kbrooks> mikki: you don't think who wants you? me?
[01:18] <chab> kbrooks: okay, let me put it this way, what does konqueror do that absolutely without any doubt requires konqueror to be installed?
[01:18] <larson9999> anssi_: you can open konqueror in 'filemanager' mode
[01:18] <kbrooks> chab: I gave you several schemes. :-)
[01:18] <mikki> rambo3:
[01:19] <kbrooks> chab: But um, I'm not sure.
[01:19] <rambo3> what now ,
[01:19] <chab> kbrooks: yes, yes you did. now tell me, can these schemes not be accomplished by other, possibly better, software?
[01:19] <anssi_> it said in one finnish magazine that linux is not for people who dont know anything about computers and not for old ladies
[01:19] <anssi_> i think im an old lady then
[01:20] <larson9999> anssi_: well, my converted and didn't need any help from me :)
[01:20] <rambo3> mikki: is /usr/bin/  in your /etc/environment
[01:20] <larson9999> anssi_: well, my aunt converted and didn't need any help from me :)
[01:20] <mikki> yes
[01:20] <anssi_> shes smart then
[01:20] <kbrooks> anssi_: Thats a myth
[01:21] <kbrooks> anssi_: Linux can be used by people like kids.
[01:21] <rambo3> mikki: in terminal /usr/bin/unrar -h
[01:21] <anssi_> i still continue using windows and keep this as an intresting pasttime activity
[01:21] <larson9999> take windows: how many old ladies do you think can install it?
[01:21] <chab> why do people believe the crap shitty magazines write?
[01:21] <kbrooks> anssi_: I'm a kid, and I installed Linux when i was 14.
[01:21] <mikki> but i search for unrar and found on file and thatss in /usr/share/doc/bash/completion-contrib/
[01:22] <chab> they should stick to their stories about which queen did which king..
[01:22] <kbrooks> chab: swearing isnt appreciated here
[01:22] <chab> kbrooks: you'll survive
[01:22] <anssi_> im no kid anymore im 31 and started using pcs when i was 29
[01:22] <kbrooks> chab: Irrevelant
[01:22] <kbrooks> anssi_: I said "like".
[01:23] <mikki> rambo3: /usr/bin/unrar: No such file or directory
[01:23] <anssi_> so its no wonder if i dont know how everything works
[01:23] <rambo3> ook mikki typ sudo updatedb && locate unrar
[01:23] <kbrooks> chab: The ubuntu coc specifically  disallows swearing.
[01:24] <kbrooks> chab: "Be respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect."
[01:24] <Gh0st75> probably easier to get the initial grasp of linux if you haven't been using windows for a long time, so kids have an advantage, they don't have to un-learn windows habits like us older folks making the switch
[01:24] <jott> unrar will be installed in /usr/bin when you install it from the repositories.....
[01:24] <chab> kbrooks: i don't remember agreeing to the coc.. and how could you name it coc?
[01:24] <kbrooks> chab: code of conduct
[01:25] <chab> kbrooks: i know what coc stands for
[01:25] <chab> kbrooks: i was referring to the similarity to cock
[01:25] <mikki> done that, what now
[01:25] <anssi_> i got a driver for my soundcard for linux it was a zip file but i dont know how to install it
[01:25] <kbrooks> chab: Don't swear please.
[01:25] <chab> kbrooks: how old are you?
[01:25] <mikki>  /usr/share/doc/unrar-free
[01:25] <chab> kbrooks: besides, cock isn't a swear word ;)
[01:25] <kbrooks> chab: I refuse to give that out.
[01:25] <Gh0st75> a person can learn to be respectful of others at any age
[01:26] <anssi_> coc is corrosion of conformity...rock rock
[01:26] <Gh0st75> lol, haven't heard that band in ages
[01:26] <anssi_> good band
[01:26] <kbrooks> I'm not a operator. I am asking you to abide to it, chab.
[01:26] <larson9999> anssi_: are you an anti linux plant?
[01:26] <chab> kbrooks: even if you were, what's the difference
[01:27] <rambo3> mikki if that the only answer you got then its not installed
[01:27] <anssi_> no im not anti linux...if i was would i ask for advice or try to use it
[01:27] <mikki> i got some more
[01:27] <rambo3> any bin in there
[01:27] <rambo3> sbin
[01:27] <mikki> all files is in that folder
[01:28] <mikki>  /usr/bin/unrar-free and this
[01:28] <anssi_> but i think its better to explore the possibilities of linux before i start to use it fulltime
[01:28] <mikki> /var/lib/dpkg/info/unrar-free.md5sums
[01:28] <mikki> /var/lib/dpkg/info/unrar-free.list
[01:28] <mikki> and that
[01:28] <kbrooks> mikki: Try that.
[01:28] <kbrooks> unrar-free
[01:28] <chab> unrar-free is a waste of code.. get unrar for linux from winrars site and replace it..
[01:29] <mikki> add that to the envoire..
[01:29] <kbrooks> mikki: No.
[01:29] <D4rkly> lol
[01:29] <Gh0st75> i'm enjoying linux a great deal, only keeping my windows partition for Neverwinter Nights 2, since i hear it won't have a linux port like the first game did
[01:29] <kbrooks> mikki: It's in your PATH.
[01:29] <anssi_> sorry if you dont get what i say think my english is a bit rusty cause i havent used it in ages
[01:29] <kbrooks> mikki: (/usr/bin/ )
[01:30] <kbrooks> mikki: Run unrar-free in a terminal.
[01:31] <Talwin> hey
[01:31] <Talwin> <- new user
[01:31] <D4rkly> has anyone got vmware working ?
[01:31] <Talwin> im sure you get a million in here..
[01:31] <anssi_> how can i use messenger in linux if all my friends have windows and i dont
[01:31] <chab> unrar-free will fail on most archives..especiall split-archives
[01:31] <Talwin> quick question regarding rar files.
[01:31] <kbrooks> Talwin: Welcome to the world of Kubuntu.
[01:31] <kbrooks> Talwin: Ask.
[01:31] <Talwin> thanks :)
[01:31] <anssi_> thats why i use windows
[01:31] <Talwin> how do i extract them.
[01:32] <chab> anssi_: by using a messenger that supports the messenger protocol of whatever your friends use
[01:32] <Talwin> i tried tar -xj
[01:32] <D4rkly> anssi_ KOPETE
[01:32] <Talwin> but it didnt work.
[01:32] <kbrooks> anssi_: Use kopete.
[01:32] <kbrooks> Talwin: Get unrar.
[01:32] <mikki> mikki@mikki:/usr/share/doc/unrar-free$ ls
[01:32] <mikki> AUTHORS  changelog.Debian.gz  copyright  README.Debian  todo
[01:32] <chab> kopete..bah.. use gaim
[01:32] <anssi_> so kopete and messenger work together?
[01:32] <Talwin> do i have to download it or is it already available via apt-get?
[01:32] <anssi_> try to decide what i should use
[01:32] <kbrooks> anssi_: no. it's a client to the various things.
[01:33] <kbrooks> Talwin: Avoid the terminal. Use adept: search for unrar.
[01:33] <rambo3> mikki: i am guessing the unrar-free is just addon for ark or arhivehandler in ubuntu ,
[01:33] <kbrooks> rambo3: no, its not.
[01:33] <chab> kbrooks: why tell him to avoid the terminal??
[01:33] <Gh0st75> kopete is like trillian for windows.....it's one interface and you have your contacts from aim/msn/yahoo/etc all in one contact list
[01:33] <kbrooks> rambo3: it's a complete cli.
[01:33] <Gh0st75> it's great
[01:33] <anssi_> so if someone is in messenger how can i contact him or her from linux
[01:33] <kbrooks> anssi_: Use kopete.
[01:33] <anssi_> like in messenger
[01:33] <anssi_> okay
[01:34] <jujimufu> kbrooks: gaim is also user friendly
[01:34] <rambo3> okay then ,
[01:34] <kbrooks> anssi_: Kopete is in Kubuntu. Just start it from the menu.
[01:34] <Gh0st75> i've used both, just a matter of preference for visual appeal
[01:34] <jott> kbrooks: adept is so broken i would not recommend to use it..
[01:34] <kbrooks> jujimufu: This is Kubuntu, not Ubuntu.
[01:35] <jujimufu> kbrooks: yeah, but it is downloadable :|
[01:35] <kbrooks> jott: It worked for me.
[01:35] <Talwin> sorry im being dumb here
[01:35] <Talwin> i opened adept and typed unrar
[01:35] <jott> kbrooks: try to install anything that needs a user confirmation ;)
[01:35] <Talwin> but it shows nothing
[01:35] <nagyv> hello! could someone help me to compile a program (kopete) from the kde svn repository? As I see $AUTOCONF is not set in the cvs.sh script, but I am not pretty good in hacking.
[01:35] <jott> kbrooks: also see topic "known problems" ;)
[01:35] <jujimufu> ok, so I try to install Mesa by running "make linux-dri-x86" and this is what I get: http://pastebin.ca/135446
[01:35] <kbrooks> jujimufu: I know, but he might not want to get GTK+.
[01:36] <jujimufu> kbrooks: oh, well. GTK will anyways be needed for GIMP, and if he's interested in finding something similar to photoshop, he will install gimp anyway. And generally, gtk is useful for lots of stuff.
[01:36] <jujimufu> kbrooks: btw, tell him about easyubuntu and automatix.
[01:36] <chab> as if a noob even knew what gtk is..
[01:36] <jujimufu> kbrooks: those set most of the things in my PC with just a few clicks, no adept and stuff.
[01:36] <D4rkly> anyone interested on getting vmware running join #kubuntu_vmware :)
[01:36] <jott> jujimufu: install Xorg devel stuff..
[01:36] <jujimufu> chab: shush you. n00bs don't like to be called noobs...
[01:36] <kbrooks> jujimufu: You tell him.
[01:36] <jujimufu> oh, ok
[01:36] <chab> jujimufu: too bad
[01:36] <anssi_> oh yeah it works
[01:36] <rambo3> error: DirectColor  some missing libs ? jujimufu
[01:36] <jujimufu> like what?
[01:37] <jujimufu> jott: where od I find those? are there in any repos?
[01:37] <Talwin> perhaps im doing something dumb?
[01:37] <Talwin> ive opened adept.
[01:37] <rambo3> i dont know why dont you ask people who made it or use apt-build if package is repos
[01:37] <Talwin> in the search box typed unrar.
[01:37] <Talwin> and get nothing.
[01:37] <jujimufu> anssi_: there are two programs which will help you install many things (like codecs for videos and plugins for firefox etc)
[01:37] <D4rkly> also could someone who has already got vmware running also join #kubuntu_vmware and lend a hand lol :)
[01:37] <anssi_> now some zanou has me in his or hers list of contacts..what the heck
[01:37] <jujimufu> anssi_: and you won't have to go to console and all
[01:37] <StrudelNinja_> ok this is a real idiot question...how do I open the layer/channel/path window in gimp
[01:37] <jujimufu> anssi_: are you interested?
[01:38] <jordo23> I just installed the latest Kubuntu and am trying to apt-get superkaramba but it keeps stating that the package isn't found....any ideas?
[01:38] <anssi_> yeah juji....
[01:38] <jujimufu> StrudelNinja_: open a new file, then, in the window that just opened go DIalogues and choose "Layers"
[01:38] <jott> jujimufu: xorg-dev xserver-xorg-dev
[01:38] <rambo3> 1repos > jordo23
[01:38] <rambo3> !repos > jordo23
[01:39] <StrudelNinja_> ahah
[01:39] <Nrik> tell me some DC client
[01:39] <StrudelNinja_> thanks
[01:39] <kbrooks> nalioth: ping. mikki had a error message  - it said that unrar ws not on his PATH. But he has /usr/binunrar-free
[01:39] <jordo23> rambo3:  I know the packages are divided into repositories, but it states that it is available for dapper....
[01:39] <jujimufu> anssi_: open a console and just paste the commands as I give them to you, by pressing Ctrl+Insert (Ctr+V won't work on a console)
[01:39] <Nrik> like Valknut
[01:39] <kbrooks> nalioth: /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree
[01:40] <jujimufu> !easyubuntu
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[01:40] <jujimufu> !automatix
[01:40] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[01:40] <nalioth> mikki: in your console, type 'which unrar' please
[01:40] <kbrooks> nalioth: No, he has /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree
[01:41] <kbrooks> nalioth: I meant /usr/bin/unrar-free
[01:41] <jujimufu> anssi_: wget http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/files/easyubuntu-3.022.tar.gz
[01:41] <kbrooks> nalioth: Sorry, this gets a bit confusing! :-)
[01:41] <francolq> Hello. This is the first time I boot my amd64 kubuntu dapper. I enabled universe and multiverse but still cant find webmin... some help?
[01:41] <nagyv> there is a .pl (perl?) script that searches for autoconf, it traverses the PATH variable, and although whereis sais that autoconf is in there, it doesn't find it. Could someone help me in this problem?
[01:42] <nalioth> kbrooks: mikki please join me in #ubuntu-classroom
[01:44] <anssi_> juji then what
[01:47] <jordo23> How do you install superkaramba for the latest version of kubuntu?
[01:47] <kbrooks> Talwin: ping
[01:47] <TheHighChild> newb question: When adding an alias to your .bashrc is it possible to read that without starting a new session?
[01:47] <jordo23> I can't find it in Adept, and can't find it through Apt
[01:47] <kbrooks> TheHighChild: . ~/.bashrc
[01:47] <Talwin> hey
[01:47] <TheHighChild> jordo23: give me a se and I will take a look
[01:47] <jordo23> thx
[01:47] <Talwin> i cant find that unrar in the adept list
[01:47] <kbrooks> Talwin: Well
[01:47] <kbrooks> !repo
[01:47] <Talwin> i tried downloading it.
[01:47] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[01:47] <TheHighChild> kbrooks: Not sure what you're trying to tell me
[01:48] <Talwin> got it as a tgz file.
[01:48] <Talwin> extracted it.
[01:48] <kbrooks> TheHighChild: Type ". ~/.bashrc" in a terminal
[01:48] <Jucato> I think the Superkaramba in the repos is the latest?
[01:48] <Talwin> but i dont know how to run it.
[01:48] <Talwin> tried sudo apt-get install unrar again but still no change
[01:48] <jordo23> Can't find Superkaramba
[01:49] <kbrooks> Talwin: Read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:49] <Jucato> jordo23: Superkaramba is in the universe repository. Is it enabled?
[01:49] <TheHighChild> nice, thanks kbrooks, didn't see that period to start. appreciate it
[01:49] <TheHighChild> Jucato: he wants the latest, which the repos don't have
[01:49] <anssi_> jujimufu!!!
[01:49] <jordo23> jucato: do I edit sources.list or can I enable it through adept?
[01:49] <Jucato> TheHighChild: isn't the one in the repos already the latest?
[01:50] <Jucato> The latest Superkaramba version is 0.39, released March 2006, according to the website
[01:50] <Jucato> jordo23: you can do it in Adept
[01:51] <D4rkly> if anyone knows how to get vmware working please join #kubuntu_vmware :)
[01:51] <TheHighChild> I thought the repos had .37
[01:51] <Jucato> TheHighChild: mine is 0.40 @_@
[01:51] <Jucato> but I'm not sure if that's because of KDE 3.5.4, or that's the stock version in the repos
[01:51] <Jucato> let me check...
[01:52] <TheHighChild> Jucato: Their site shows the latest as 0.39
[01:52] <Jucato> TheHighChild: yeah, I know. but when I right-click on Superkaramba and choose "About Superkaramba", it shows 0.40
[01:53] <jordo23> jucato: I enabled the universe lines....what next?
[01:53] <Jucato> jordo23: click on Apply, then on Fetch Updates
[01:53] <Jucato> jordo23: after it's done fetching updates, you'll be able to find Superkaramba
[01:54] <Talwin> great kbrooks!
[01:54] <Talwin> got the file
[01:54] <Talwin> whats the command line for it?
[01:54] <Talwin> or another website?
[01:54] <jordo23> jucato: exactly which line should I enable?
[01:54] <reddwolf> can some one help me figure something out
[01:54] <jordo23> jucato: a few of them state Universe
[01:55] <Jucato> jordo23: the one with "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe" where xx is for your local server (us.,uk., etc)
[01:55] <nagyv> there is a .pl (perl?) script that searches for autoconf, it traverses the PATH variable, and although whereis sais that autoconf is in there, it doesn't find it. Could someone help me in this problem?
[01:56] <nagyv> I would like to complie kopete from the svn. there is a .pl (perl?) script that searches for autoconf, it traverses the PATH variable, and although whereis sais that autoconf is in there, it doesn't find it. Could someone help me in this problem?
[01:57] <Talwin> nm got it!
[01:57] <Talwin> :P
[01:58] <jordo23> jucato: thanks! Got it
[01:58] <Jucato> sure, no problem!
[01:59] <Talwin> thanks for your help!
[01:59] <Talwin> especially kbrooks
 i'm on a web sight with instructions but i can't make heads or tale of it
[02:02] <anssi_> good night or goodbye everybody..depending where you are : )
[02:03] <Jucato> ehehe! 8 AM here :-D
 wow
[02:03] <anssi_> its 3.03 in here
[02:03] <reddwolf_> 8:5 pm here
[02:03] <reddwolf_> 8:08
[02:04] <Jucato> 12 hour difference, eh reddwolf_? @_@
[02:04] <reddwolf_> yep
[02:04] <anssi_> i can go to sleep you cant lol
[02:04] <fenderman> hi everybody :)
[02:04] <reddwolf_> lol
[02:04] <Jucato> lol! just woke up. no plans of going back to sleep
[02:04] <reddwolf_> jucato would you be able to help me out
[02:05] <Jucato> reddwolf_: I'll try
[02:05] <Jucato> what is it?
[02:05] <anssi_> its early morning in finland so its time to sleep now
[02:05] <Jucato> anssi_: kool! sweet dreams! :-D
[02:05] <kbrooks> ;p;/
[02:05] <reddwolf_> i'm trying to get xine multimediaplayer installed and i can make heads or tails of the instruction page
[02:05] <kbrooks> lol*
[02:05] <anssi_> thanks have a good day jucato
[02:06] <reddwolf_> night anssi
[02:06] <fenderman> i have a problem with mplayer on dapper, can anybody help me? please?
[02:06] <Jucato> reddwolf_: could you provide the link for that instruction page?
[02:06] <anssi_> and reddwolf too
[02:06] <anssi_> bye all
[02:06] <reddwolf_> sure
[02:06] <Jucato> bye!
[02:06] <reddwolf_> http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#BUILDING
[02:07] <kbrooks> reddwolf_: Ubuntu repos have xine.
[02:07] <Jucato> reddwolf_: yeah, any reason you'd want to compile your own version?
[02:07] <reddwolf_> oh
[02:07] <Jucato> those are instructions for compiling xine
[02:07] <Jucato> !info xine-ui
[02:07] <ubotu> xine-ui: the xine video player, user interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1567 kB, installed size 3512 kB
[02:07] <reddwolf_> all i want to do is get my dvds and music to play on here
[02:08] <Jucato> reddwolf_: what kind of music? MP3s?
[02:08] <reddwolf_> mp3 and wmas
[02:08] <Jucato> well, you don't need to install xine for that :-D
[02:08] <Jucato> but you do need to install some codecs
[02:08] <reddwolf_> i went to this one page and folloed some things and then it said something about xine
[02:09] <reddwolf_> how do i do that
[02:09] <fenderman> i have a problem with mplayer on dapper, can anybody help me? please?
[02:10] <reddwolf_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  i tryed the stuff on this page ( plus i'm new on using linux
[02:11] <Jucato> reddwolf_: give me a few secs to pull up some links :-D
[02:11] <reddwolf_> ok
[02:11] <reddwolf_> i hope i can under stand them with me being a first time user
[02:11] <fenderman> mplayer won't play anything on Kubuntu since i upgraded to Dapper, only a small window appears for less than a second and then it goes away
[02:11] <kbrooks> !EASYUBUNTU
[02:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about EASYUBUNTU - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:12] <Jucato> !easyubuntu
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[02:12] <fenderman> please, help me
[02:12] <kbrooks> reddwolf: try easyubuntu
[02:12] <Jucato> eheheh! why do I keep on forgetting easyubuntu and automatix...
[02:12] <Jucato> reddwolf_: you can try using easyubuntu or automatix (take your pic) to help you install codecs, flash, etc.
[02:12] <Jucato> !automatix
[02:12] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[02:13] <reddwolf_> does that work with kubuntu
[02:13] <Jucato> hmm... why doesn't ubotu have a link for Automatix?
[02:13] <reddwolf_> thats what i'm running
[02:13] <Jucato> reddwolf_: yes it (should) work
[02:13] <Jucato> reddwolf_: which one are you running? easyubuntu or automatix?
[02:14] <Jucato> hey actinic! howdy!
[02:15] <actinic> jey man, what's up?
[02:15] <fenderman> please help me, i really need mplayer and i can't use it since i upgraded to Dapper
[02:15] <reddwolf_> easyubuntu i'm trying this one
[02:15] <Jucato> how's the folding@home doing? (still couldn't understand the concept... need to do some more research)
[02:16] <actinic> i'm a bit disappointed, Jucato.  I know there's a few crunching as we speak, but no points other than mine so far :(
[02:16] <actinic> i've improved the FAQ
[02:16] <fenderman> no help???
[02:16] <Jucato> fenderman: sorry, I'm not familiar with mplayer... :-(
[02:17] <Jucato> actinic: kool! I'm gonna check it out
[02:17] <actinic> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0
[02:17] <fenderman> thanks jucato
[02:17] <actinic> !mplayer
[02:17] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[02:17] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[02:17] <Jucato> actinic: ah krap! you didn't catch claydoh. He was here a while ago...
[02:17] <fenderman> thanks a  lot actinic and ubotu
[02:18] <actinic> Jucato, was he looking for me?
[02:18] <actinic> or a mod be he?
[02:19] <Jucato> nah. but weren't you looking for forum mods?
[02:19] <Jucato> yep. he's a mod
[02:19] <actinic> ok
[02:19] <actinic> fenderman, good luck
[02:19] <fenderman> thanks a lot for your help
[02:19] <fenderman> do you think i should compile from scratch???
[02:20] <actinic> i wouldn't
[02:20] <actinic> unless you're a gentoo kinda guy :)
[02:20] <Jucato> ehehe!
[02:20] <fenderman> no no no
[02:20] <actinic> brb
[02:20] <fenderman> thanks a lot, byebye :)
[02:20] <Jucato> there's nothing wrong from compiling, though. but just not everything :-D
[02:24] <foot> Anyone have ANY ideas why kubuntu would change my resolution to the lowst setting every so often after reboot? and it won't let me change it thru the visual interface.
[02:24] <kbrooks> foot: no, but!
[02:24] <kbrooks> !fixres
[02:24] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:30] <west-en> hmm need help
[02:30] <west-en> can i get it here?
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> argh, trying to burn DVD's fruitlessly - mkisofs logs report it gets to about 5-6% and then claims it's done.
[02:30] <west-en> i need help with midi, someone that can help me?
[02:31] <Jucato> errr.. time for (late) breakfast
[02:31] <Jucato> oopss... wrong channel
[02:31] <Jucato>  @#_@
[02:32] <foot> ubotu: thanks but it chocked on it
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks but it chocked on it - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <Talwin> back again!
[02:32] <Talwin> ok this time its the graphics drivers.
[02:32] <Talwin> I have a radeon 9600xt
[02:33] <west-en> can someone help me?
[02:33] <foot> yup for a short time. seems that it does that to me every once in a while, then a reboot fixes it
[02:33] <Talwin> i have been on adept and installed xorg drivers
[02:33] <Talwin> well i say installed.
[02:33] <Talwin> apt-get install xorg blah blah
[02:33] <foot> Talwin: lol
[02:33] <Talwin> when i go into system setting it still says i have these drivers that dont work
[02:33] <Talwin> :o
[02:34] <actinic> !midi
[02:34] <ubotu> Trouble playing midi files? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:34] <Talwin> point and laugh at me, not a problem..
[02:34] <west-en> yes i need help with midi
[02:34] <Talwin> just point me to where i can learn to fix it ;P
[02:34] <west-en> it says that i dont have /dev/sequencer
[02:34] <west-en> and i dont have that either
[02:34] <Talwin> anyone got anyideas?
[02:35] <actinic> west-en, could be a missing codec.  you might want easyubuntu to help you install them
[02:35] <actinic> !easyubuntu
[02:35] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[02:35] <west-en> ok i install that
[02:35] <shadeofgrey> hey
[02:35] <west-en> thanks for support!
[02:35] <actinic> no problem
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> does anytbiody here know if there are programs fdoir ubuntu or kubuntu that handle address books in celkl phone format?
[02:36] <shadeofgrey> i have 2,700 entries in my smartphone that i need to transsfer to the new phone im getting tomorrow
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> 'and i was jusyt wondering if theres anapplication that can handle transfering the numbers from one to the other if i have usb cables for both?
[02:37] <reddwolf> i tyred the easyubunto but i still can't play mp3
[02:37] <reddwolf> is there another way
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> reddwolf: use        beep mediua playuer
[02:37] <shadeofgrey> apt-get install beep-media-player
[02:38] <shadeofgrey> it looks just like winamp for windows
[02:38] <shadeofgrey> and works way better than n thart really shitty xmms player
[02:38] <yuriylap> reddwolf: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs didn't work?
[02:38] <yuriylap> reddwolf: ^ to play mp3's in amarok and kaffeine
[02:38] <yuriylap> !mp3
[02:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:39] <reddwolf> i'm new to the kubunto  so i'm not sure what these programs are
[02:39] <yuriylap> reddwolf: what have you tried?
[02:39] <reddwolf> easyubunto
[02:40] <reddwolf> and i have been in and out of here most of my night trying diffrent things
[02:40] <jordo23> Is there a RDP/VNC default program in the most recent version of Kubuntu?
[02:40] <gekko`> reddwolf: is liblame0 installed?
[02:40] <reddwolf> i have no idea
[02:41] <shadeofgrey> can kubuntu handle SLI graphics configuratiojns?
[02:41] <reddwolf> how can i find that out
[02:41] <yuriylap> reddwolf: amarok is the music player that comes with kubuntu. it will play mp3's after you follow the directions on the RestrictedFormats page linked above
[02:41] <reddwolf> i tryed that one
[02:41] <ErikTheRed> shadeofgrey: yes they can
[02:41] <gekko`> reddwolf: sudo apt-get install -s liblame0
[02:42] <ErikTheRed> you just have to add a line in the device section of your xorg.conf
[02:42] <yuriylap> reddwolf: Kmenu > system > adept    will open up the package manager where you can search for and install packages and see what's installed
[02:42] <jordo23> Anyone know how I get my clock off of military time?
[02:42] <ErikTheRed> it's: Option "SLI" "true"
[02:42] <jordo23> I can't find the option.
[02:42] <west-en> nope still got problem
[02:43] <west-en> i executed easyubuntu and checked midi, but it still doesen't work
[02:43] <yuriylap> jordo23: right click on the clock, go to date & time format, date & time tab, change the time format to the second one
[02:43] <west-en> he is saying that /dev/sequencer may be opened
[02:44] <yuriylap> jordo23: haven't tried that before. rather cryptic option i have to agree
[02:44] <nagyv> I would like to complie kopete from the svn. there is a .pl (perl?) script that searches for autoconf, it traverses the PATH variable, and although whereis sais that autoconf is in there, it doesn't find it. Could someone help me in this problem?
[02:44] <yuriylap> although it does say time format
[02:44] <Cr4sh5> hey can someone explain how I can install ndiswrapper step by step Im a newb.
[02:45] <Cr4sh5> I have all the files
[02:45] <jordo23> yuriylap: It is still on military time...
[02:45] <tim> sdfd
[02:45] <west-en> i doesen't have any /dev/sequencer
[02:45] <reddwolf> sudo apt-get is not in my list for sudo
[02:45] <yuriylap> jordo23: you set the time format to the "pH:MM:SS AMPM" option?
[02:45] <tim> hello can any 1 hear me?
[02:45] <Cr4sh5> tim: I hear you
[02:46] <reddwolf> i have sudo installed and a sudo-idap not intalled
[02:46] <tim> Noobish question, what is this messeging service used for?
[02:46] <jordo23> yuriylap: Yeah....that one....changed it to that option under Time Format (second one down)
[02:47] <tim> I am new to linux and don't know what all the apps are for
[02:47] <gekko`> reddwolf: use adept to find the package liblame0
[02:47] <lukas_> brauche hilfe bei rarlinux installation... kann mir jemand die ntigen befehle verraten???
[02:47] <tim> German?
[02:47] <Jucato> tim: are you asking what Konversation is for? or what the #kubuntu channel is for?
[02:47] <tim> what is Konversation used for?
[02:47] <yuriylap> jordo23: that ought to do it... :(
[02:48] <gekko`> tim: for germans there's #kubuntu-de #ubuntu-de
[02:48] <Jucato> tim: Konversation is an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) client
[02:48] <yuriylap> !irc
[02:48] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[02:48] <yuriylap> tim: ^
[02:48] <Jucato> jordo23: I think this should be the contents of the time format: "pH:MM:SS AMPM" ??
[02:48] <tim> ahh thanks for the info
[02:48] <jordo23> yuriylap: Yeah....on the config menu it shows the correct time, but on the clock it still is military
[02:48] <yuriylap> jordo23: did you click ok?
[02:48] <west-en> nobody that can help med with midi?
[02:48] <Jucato> oh, you have to logout to make it take effect, I think
[02:49] <jordo23> jucato: yeah...I see what you mean.....I changed it to that....but it's still on military time
[02:49] <jordo23> YES I CLICKED OK!! LAFF
[02:49] <reddwolf> found it and it was not intalled but i'm geting
[02:49] <reddwolf> it
[02:49] <Jucato> jordo23: try logging out and back in
[02:49] <jordo23> jucato: Yeah...your right....
[02:49] <pete_> Hi, I just installed kubuntu 6.06 on an AMD64 laptop, and I can't get the cpu frequency scaling to work so I'm pegged at 800mhz.
[02:49] <yuriylap> jordo23: sorry, just checking.  try logging out and logging back in as jucato said
[02:50] <jordo23> jucato: Think I briefly saw something like that, but it stated log out and back in to change language
[02:50] <jordo23> jucato: Is there a default VNC/RDP program built into Kubuntu?
[02:50] <Jucato> err... I wouldn't know. I don't even know what VNC is... :-D
[02:50] <jordo23> jucato: You know....Remote desktop....ubuntu has it
[02:51] <ErikTheRed> jordo23
[02:51] <Jucato> Yeah I think Kubuntu has one
[02:51] <ErikTheRed> there is an RDP client built in
[02:51] <reddwolf> what does liblame0 do
[02:51] <jordo23> Erik: do you know the name?
[02:51] <ErikTheRed> it's called krdp
[02:51] <ErikTheRed> it's under the internet menu
[02:51] <Jucato> not Krfb?
[02:51] <tim> ok
[02:51] <ErikTheRed> err
[02:52] <ErikTheRed> krfb is right
[02:52] <ErikTheRed> sry
[02:52] <gekko`> reddwolf: mp3 support
[02:52] <renswee> Someone mind revealing the secret to getting kubuntu to "finding" libjava.so?
[02:52] <yuriylap> it's krdc to connect, krfb to make a server
[02:52] <Jucato> i was just guessing :-D
[02:52] <ErikTheRed> err shit
[02:52] <ErikTheRed> krdc
[02:52] <reddwolf> krfb jucato and kubuntu does have it
[02:52] <jordo23> found it....thanks
[02:53] <Jucato>  ok.. I'm not really sure... I don't know what krfb and krdc do. ehehe! I'm an absolute noob in those areas :-D
[02:53] <ErikTheRed> i dunno about krfb, but krdc allows you to remotely control a windows machine
[02:53] <reddwolf> still can't do mp3's or dvds
[02:53] <yuriylap> renswee: i'm not sure what you mean, but try "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[02:53] <renswee> Been there done that.
[02:54] <Jucato> reddwolf: you used EasyUbuntu?
[02:54] <reddwolf> yes and nothing
[02:54] <Jucato> that's strange...
[02:54] <reddwolf> what about automatrix
[02:54] <Jucato> can you check if the package "libxine-extracodecs" is installed?
[02:55] <reddwolf> was not installed
[02:55] <reddwolf> but i'm getting it
[02:55] <Jucato> reddwolf: that's the one you need
[02:55] <reddwolf> ok
[02:57] <reddwolf> YES it finaly works
[02:57] <Jucato> ehehe! congratulations :-D
[02:57] <reddwolf> thanks what about dvds
[02:57] <Jucato> I'm not really sure,but that should be covered also by the same codec. Encrypted DVD's are a different matter, I think
[02:58] <Jucato> just check the page for RestrictedFormats if there are special instructions
[02:58] <reddwolf> i had done that the first time
[02:58] <Jucato> reddwolf: btw, did EasyUbuntu also install w32codecs? You need it for WMA and RealMedia
[02:58] <reddwolf> not sure
[02:59] <Jucato> you can check in Adept if it's installed
[02:59] <Jucato> if it's not, don't bother looking for it. it's not available in the repositories
[03:00] <reddwolf> oh
[03:00] <Jucato> is it installed?
[03:01] <reddwolf> i had an error on easyubunto
[03:01] <Jucato> ooh....
[03:04] <tobias__> hello all :)
[03:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Howdy, tobias__
[03:04] <tobias__> I was wondering how I get that icon that makes it possible for me to change the volume level in kubuntu?
[03:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias__: In the system tray?
[03:05] <tobias__> its not there for some reason
[03:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias__: Run kmix
[03:05] <tobias__> ok:)
[03:05] <tobias__> thanx
[03:05] <tobias__> it might be how my friend set up my kubuntu
[03:05] <tobias__> it looks very nice
[03:05] <tobias__> but no sound icon hehe
[03:05] <tobias__> great stuff
[03:06] <tobias__> now i can play my game without waking my friends
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe, headphones are also good for that. ;)
[03:06] <Cr4sh5> hey
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hello
[03:06] <tobias__> hehe:)
[03:07] <tobias__> im still awed by all the helpfull people in this channel, i will never go back to windows.. I think this is my... 8th or 9th kubuntu day
[03:07] <tobias__> heya cr4sh5:)
[03:07] <Cr4sh5> I need help I succesfully installed ndiswrapper-utils and some other files that I had to following a guide, and I added my wireless card .inf and i am suppose to go into gnome...whats gnome?
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias__: Heh, I went Windows free for about a month, but then I wanted to play games without tweaking stuff. :)
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: The default desktop environment in Ubuntu. If you're using Kubuntu (since this is #kubuntu, I'll assume you are), just log into KDE.
[03:08] <tobias__> cheeseburgerman: I heard that there was this thing called vine that makes everything very simple?
[03:08] <tobias__> I havent tried it though
[03:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias__: It's wine, and it works OK for some things, but not everything.
[03:08] <tobias__> aha
[03:09] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: katapult?
[03:09] <tobias__> cheeseburgerman: I hope they develop it so it will rock! do u know what games one can play in it? directx?
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Eh? Katapult is a program launcher. KDE is the whole desktop environment.
[03:10] <renswee> Someone mind revealing the secret to getting kubuntu to "find" libjava.so?
[03:10] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: okay...so how do I know if my card is working?
[03:10] <tobias__> renswee: tried adept?
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> tobias__: Cr4sh5 run 'ndiswrapper -l' to see if it has detected everything
[03:11] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan:k
[03:11] <renswee> To begin with, yes.
[03:11] <tobias__> im just happy i can play my java blood bowl game :)
[03:12] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: Installed ndis drivers: lsbcmnds INVALID DRIVER!
[03:12] <tobias__> renswee: Im a noob just thought it might be in there somewhere:)
[03:12] <renswee> tobias__, it is.  It just doesn't work.
[03:13] <tobias__> renswee: strange
[03:13] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: This is the tutorial I followed for my card (same card) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[03:13] <nrdb> I am having a problem start up X, when I do a 'startx' I get the the error message "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom" can anyone help please?
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: OK, something's not working, (obviously) Did you install the .inf rather than the .sys?
[03:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: OK, let me have a look at it.
[03:13] <tobias__> renswee: does it complete the install?
[03:13] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: akay thanks
[03:13] <renswee> No, because it "can't find" libjava.so.
[03:14] <tobias__> renswee: are u trying to install java on your machine I take it?
[03:14] <renswee> Yep.
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: This is something I rarely recommend, but if you haven't, try rebooting.
[03:15] <tobias__> renswee: cus I managed to install on mine so I might actually be helpfull I think hehe
[03:15] <renswee> Tried it Sun's way which has never failed me before and has the same exact complaint.
[03:15] <tobias__> renswee: maybe not the same java thing u need
[03:15] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan:I did
[03:15] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan:let me try again?
[03:16] <tobias__> renswee: I found something called "libjavascript-perl" and "libjavascript-rpc-perl" when i searched for libjava are these maybe the things u neeD?
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Nah, that won't help anything. Uninstall the driver & start over. I don't see anything wrong with the guide. (although I do have limited experience with ndiswrapper)
[03:17] <renswee> tobias__, nope.  libjava.so is part of java.
[03:17] <tobias__> renswee: ah, there are some installation packages for java in the adept program
[03:18] <tobias__> renswee: there you need sunjavajre?
[03:18] <tobias__> renswee: version 5
[03:18] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: uninstall the lsbcmnds driver?
[03:18] <yokobr> hi
[03:18] <yokobr> please
[03:19] <yokobr> i cant get to 1024x768
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: yeah.
[03:19] <renswee> tobias__, I know.  They fail to install because they can't find it.  Installing from Sun's installation package doesn't help either because Kubuntu seems incapable of finding libjava.so.
[03:19] <tobias__> renswee: its the runtime enviroment for java version 5 its what i installed to play my blood bowl game
[03:19] <tobias__> ah!
[03:19] <tobias__> I know!
[03:19] <tobias__> renswee: same problem I got
[03:19] <yokobr> only 1280x 854
[03:19] <tobias__> renswee: fixed it by installing manually
[03:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: It's definatly not going to work, if it's installed properly it should say something like 'bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present'
[03:19] <tobias__> renswee: at least i think its the same thing
[03:19] <nrdb> I am having a problem start up X, when I do a 'startx' I get the the error message "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom" can anyone help please?
[03:19] <yokobr> pleasee
[03:19] <renswee> tobias__, tried it.
[03:20] <yokobr> i cant get to 1024x768 with nvidia drive
[03:20] <yokobr> driver*
[03:20] <tobias__> renswee: its not the have to accept licence agreement problem?
[03:20] <tobias__> renswee: ok..
[03:20] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: okay so what do you want me to uninstall? ndiswrapper?
[03:20] <yokobr> pleasee ='(
[03:20] <tobias__> renswee: then it goes beyong my meager skills im afraid
[03:20] <tobias__> beyond
[03:20] <tobias__> even
[03:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: No, just the driver.
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: 'ndiwrapper -e <driver>'
[03:21] <tobias__> renswee: ask google if no one here knows :)
[03:21] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: okay and how abouts do I do that? =P
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Already answered. :P
[03:21] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurger::P haha thanks
[03:21] <renswee> tobias__, why do you think I'm here.  Google failed.
[03:21] <tobias__> why cant renswee install java? anyone know?
[03:22] <yokobr> hi guys
[03:22] <yokobr> i have a little problem
[03:22] <tobias__> hey yokobr
[03:23] <yokobr> since ive installed nvidia drivers, i cant get to 1024x768
[03:23] <yokobr> only 1280x 854
[03:23] <yokobr> i need to know the file to mannualy change resolution
[03:24] <yokobr> any shots?
[03:25] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: okay so I go sudo ndiswrapper -i lsvcmnds.inf
[03:25] <yokobr> its really hard to be on 640x480
[03:25] <renswee> yokobr: /etc/X11/xorg.conf to manually edit.
[03:25] <yokobr> thanx man!!
[03:25] <yokobr> a looooooooot
[03:25] <Cr4sh5> lsbcmnds.inf*
[03:25] <actinic> where's the kubuntu bug report site?
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Yup
[03:25] <yokobr> i was on kubuntu, then ive changed to suse, and now im back!
[03:25] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: ok cross your fingers rebooting
[03:25] <yokobr> 'cause i know that kubuntu is the best!
[03:26] <actinic> better yet, who's a member of launchpad that's on this board?
[03:27] <Jucato> actinic: you can register in Launchpad yourself. no requirements except for a working e-mail addy
[03:28] <actinic> Jucato, thanks.  Where's the official kubuntu bug report url?
[03:28] <Jucato> actinic: that's the big question. :-D
[03:29] <actinic> lol, u mean there ISN'T one?
[03:29] <Jucato> I think Kubuntu bugs can be filed in http://kde.bugs.org
[03:29] <actinic> how do u know if it's a kubuntu or KDE issue?
[03:29] <Jucato> Although I think you can also file it in Launchpad.net
[03:29] <Erich-K> When i try to use ./configure it gives me the error "qt was not found, Please set QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?) or try scons -h for more options" so then i type "QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3/" and it seems to work, but i still get the error message. Any ideas?
[03:29] <Jucato> I'm no bug reporting expert... I'm traumatized by it :-D
[03:30] <yokobr> i cant change on there..
[03:30] <yokobr> i will try to download and install again
[03:30] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: it didnt work, it says invalid driver again
[03:30] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: is it possible to just use Wireless Assistant
[03:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Only if you're card is already detected.
[03:31] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: mhmm...and thats not happening okay let me see if I can find some other drivers
[03:32] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Yeah, they may be corrupted somehow. If you have a  Windows CD with the drivers on it, try taking them from there. Or you can search on http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/
[03:33] <yokobr> i really love kubuntu
[03:33] <yokobr> s2
[03:35] <Erich-K> When i try to use ./configure it gives me the error "qt was not found, Please set QTDIR first (/usr/lib/qt3?) or try scons -h for more options" so then i type "QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3/" and it seems to work, but i still get the error message. Any ideas?
[03:35] <tobias__> got to sleep now, gnite all! :)
[03:35] <Erich-K> How do i set the directory?
[03:36] <arepie> !flash
[03:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <Erich-K> !flash
[03:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:37] <Erich-K> !qt
[03:37] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[03:37] <Erich-K> !qtdir
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtdir - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <maltaethiron> hey, can anyone tell me the difference between a binary and source download
[03:41] <Jucato> maltaethiron: binary: something that's executable/installable directly. source: you have to compile it first
[03:42] <maltaethiron> so binary is best for a noob then
[03:42] <Jucato> maltaethiron: yep
[03:45] <cl187> ok
[03:45] <cl187> fucking a
[03:45] <cl187> got wireless working
[03:45] <cl187> about damn time lol
[03:46] <yokobr> hi, please , i cant intall nvidia drivers
[03:46] <cl187> thanks for all the help last night
[03:46] <glick> howdy
[03:46] <yokobr> asks for "binutils"
[03:46] <cl187> now what are the other pack installers that i can use
[03:47] <Jucato> yokobr: I think you need to have "build-essential" installed?
[03:47] <glick> scuse me in the kubuntu installer, you cant choose reiserfs for your filesystem?
[03:47] <yokobr> errr
[03:47] <yokobr> what is that?
[03:48] <Jucato> yokobr: it installs every that's needed to compile stuff. it's a package
[03:48] <Jucato> !b-e
[03:48] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:48] <Jucato> !info build-essential
[03:48] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[03:48] <yokobr> ok, thanx
[03:48] <glick> anyone? can you choose reiserfs for your filesystem during kubuntu install?
[03:49] <Jucato> glick: yes, I don't think the installer on the Desktop CD has that option.
[03:49] <Jucato> glick: I think the Alternate Install CD does. I'm not absolutely sure, though
[03:49] <glick> why on earth not? reiserfs is like 100 times faster and better then ext3
[03:50] <Jucato> glick: I dunno
[03:50] <m_tadeu> hi...does anyone know anything about modems? I have a usb modem and its not being detected as one
[03:50] <Erich-K> Where are the KDE includes located?
[03:50] <Jucato> probably because ext3 is the default filesystem supported by the Linux kernel?
[03:51] <Cr4sh5> m_tadeu: is it only USB? I would suggest using the ethernet cords
[03:51] <cl187> now what are the other pack installers that i can use
[03:51] <cl187> instead of Adep
[03:51] <m_tadeu> Cr4sh5: usb only unfortunately
[03:51] <cl187> instead of Adept*
[03:51] <Cr4sh5> m_tadeu: hmmm, Sorry I don't know how I can help you :(
[03:52] <Jucato> cl187: Synaptic? KPackage? or you can use apt-get or aptitude in the command line? (btw, they're called package managers)
[03:52] <m_tadeu> its an analog modem, btw
[03:52] <yokobr> please
[03:52] <yokobr> just another thing
[03:53] <cl187> heh
[03:53] <tdm1> hey guys, it's me again, and I have more problems.  I can't get my wireless to work unless I load my old kernel.  I still can't get my graphics drivers running.  My displays are still messed up.  And a laundry list of other problems.  Anyone out there who can help me? :)
[03:53] <cl187> thanks Jucato
[03:54] <holstein> tdm1: you upgraded from the default 386 kernel to 686?
[03:54] <cl187> Adept wont load for some reason
[03:54] <maltaethiron> !info stepmania
[03:54] <ubotu> Package stepmania does not exist in dapper
[03:54] <maltaethiron> !stepmania
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <tdm1> holstein, no, I just opened my repos and did an adept upgrade
[03:55] <Jucato> cl187: can you try starting Adept from the command line, and check what error messages you get? "kdesu adept" (without the quotes)
[03:56] <holstein> tdmg: ok, 'cause I lost wifi and stuff by upgrading to 686
[03:56] <holstein> the j-restricted was missing
[03:56] <tdmg> well, who should I talk to about all my other problems?
[03:56] <holstein> tdmg: can you check if your kernel packages also have the restricted equiv?
[03:56] <tdmg> where do I go?
[03:57] <tdmg> because I've actually retrograded so far......
[03:57] <tdmg> I don't know what restricted equiv is, sorry :-/
[03:57] <StrudelNinja_> hey amarok closed on me so I reopened it. an error popped up and then it closed again and now I can't reopen it at all
[03:57] <tdmg> I'm still a beginner
[03:57] <thedcm> HOWCOME THE UBUNTUS HAVE THE SUCH BLACK PEOPLE NAME??
[03:57] <maltaethiron> tdmg: w00t for beginners!
[03:58] <Cr4sh5> thedcm: do you have a problem with black people?
[03:58] <reddwolf> jucato about that error i got for the easyunbutu
[03:58] <thedcm> YES THEY SMELL VERY ODDLY
[03:58] <tdmg> ......yeah......woot.......
[03:58] <maltaethiron> heheh
[03:58] <thedcm> WANCE A BLAKC PEOPLE BEAT ME UP CUZ I WAS WHITE
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: Uh, do you understand how caps lock work?
[03:58] <Cr4sh5> thedcm: maybe you should go...suffer with windows...
[03:58] <thedcm> yES I UNDERSTAND IT CHANGE THING
[03:58] <holstein> tdmg: i meant, a package like linux-image-2.6.x.yz, and a linux-restricted- with same number
[03:58] <Erich-K> Where are the kde includes located?
[03:59] <thedcm> Sorry GUYS
[03:59] <tdmg> holstein, you are loosing me even more now.......
[03:59] <Jucato> reddwolf: what about it?
[03:59] <holstein> tdmg: sorry. :|
[03:59] <tdmg> losing*
 i got that error message again and this time i copied
[03:59] <reddwolf> if you want to see
[03:59] <thedcm> so can i get kubuntu 2 chang name 2 blue cap linux
[03:59] <holstein> tdmg: are you currently on your problematic machine?
[04:00] <Jucato> reddwolf: wait, is it quite long?
[04:00] <Jucato> better use pastebin if it's a multi-line error message
[04:00] <reddwolf> if i could i was going to email it to you
[04:00] <tdmg> holstein, I'm on my desktop right now
[04:00] <Jucato> !pastebin
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:00] <thedcm> !pastebin
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:00] <thedcm> WHAT MATTER OF SORCERY IS THIS
[04:00] <tdmg> my "problem" laptop is in front of me
[04:00] <thedcm> BOTS ARE ILLEGAL ON #KUBUNTU
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: Yeah, sure...just get the source & change everything from 'Kubuntu' to 'Blue cap Linux'
[04:00] <thedcm> tHANKS
[04:01] <maltaethiron> thedcm: shush, youre hurting my ears
[04:01] <thedcm> CheeseBurgerMan: i shal forever honor ur memory
[04:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: Please, turn off caps lock. It's disrupting.
[04:01] <holstein> tdmg: use adept (your package manager) and do a search for linux-restricted
[04:01] <thedcm> i alredy did gjeez
[04:01] <tdmg> okay
[04:01] <thedcm> wat r u retartd or sumtin
[04:01] <holstein> and another one for linux-image
[04:01] <holstein> the version number should match.
[04:01] <soulrider> hi
[04:01] <Erich-K> Where are the kde includes located?
[04:01] <Jucato> hi soulrider
[04:01] <cl187> wow this is going to take some learning lol
[04:01] <holstein> what model of laptop?
[04:01] <reddwolf> i put it in the pastbin
[04:02] <cl187> does ubuntu work with usb hard drives
[04:02] <holstein> they are often tricky to get right :(
[04:02] <thedcm> uh no
[04:02] <cl187> and can i add in ntfs suport?
[04:02] <Jucato> Erich-K: I'm not absolutely sure, but it might be in kde-devel?
[04:02] <thedcm> ubunut does nolt use hard drives!
[04:02] <thedcm> i trid it wance didnt recognize my hard drives!
[04:02] <D4rkly> where can i get vmware tools ?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: It does if you actually install it.
[04:02] <thedcm> uh no CheeseBurgerMan !
[04:02] <D4rkly> and do i need them :) ?
[04:02] <thedcm> it segfaults
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: Ah, that falls beyond my skills.
[04:03] <actinic> Jucato, u sure http://kde.bugs.org is a valid url?
[04:03] <thedcm> r u fat CheeseBurgerMan
[04:03] <Erich-K> Where is kde-devel?
[04:03] <Jucato> actinic: err... man! so sorry
[04:03] <Jucato> actinic: http://bugs.kde.org ...
[04:03] <thedcm> CheeseBurgers have much greece and fats
[04:03] <nagyv> Where could I get an automake>=1.6.1? apt-get gives me version 1.4-p6
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> thedcm: No, I'm not fat, and 'Greece' is a country.
[04:03] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan:  is there anything I have to do after I install the .inf file? before I reboot?
[04:03] <actinic> k thanks.  I'm thinking of downgrading to 3.5.3
[04:04] <Jucato> Erich-K: kde-devel is in the universe repositories
[04:04] <tdmg> holstein, I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 and common installed
[04:04] <thedcm> uh no i live in the america but thanx CheeseBurgerMan
[04:04] <holstein> tdmg: ok, and versions matches.
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Assuming that it installs properly, add 'ndiswrapper' to /etc/modules.
[04:04] <Jucato> actinic: no luck finding the process in the forums
[04:04] <actinic> I think their current version was a step backwards
[04:04] <holstein> tdmg: that means your problem is not like I had.
[04:04] <Jucato> (that was supposed to be a question...)
[04:04] <holstein> tdmg: let me guess; video card is an ATI...
  its in the pastebin for you to look at
[04:04] <tdmg> so, what do I do now?
[04:04] <actinic> no luck so far
[04:04] <Jucato> actinic: I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is only a Kubuntu KDE 3.5.4 thing
[04:05] <Jucato> actinic: there seems to be no problem with other KDE distros
[04:05] <holstein> tdmg: in the ubuntu wiki, there is some infos about various laptop model.
[04:05] <actinic> interesting
[04:05] <Jucato> reddwolf: what's the URL?
[04:05] <Jucato> reddwolf: where's the link?
[04:05] <holstein> for mine, I was lucky to find 2 differents pages listings how the guys tweakted their installs..
[04:05] <tdmg> holstein, they don't have mine :-/
[04:05] <holstein> tdmg: what is the model?
[04:05] <tdmg> I have a brand new Compal HGL30, so it won't be there :P
[04:06] <reddwolf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20839
[04:06] <thedcm> !pastebin
[04:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:06] <thedcm> guys
[04:06] <thedcm> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:06] <thedcm> start using it
[04:06] <actinic> Jucato: apparantly media devices like flash drives no longer automount upon insertion
[04:06] <yokobr> is there a package manager that automatically does the update?
[04:06] <thedcm> yokobr: are you stupid?
[04:06] <Jucato> thedcm are you here to help or what?
[04:07] <thedcm> yes
[04:07] <Jucato> actinic: yeah, that's quite buggy to
[04:07] <thedcm> im helping
[04:07] <actinic> i know mine doesn't any more
[04:07] <Jucato> s/to/too
[04:07] <thedcm> StrudelNinja_: reinstall amarok
[04:07] <Jucato> how is asking "are you stupid" helping?
[04:07] <yokobr> nope
[04:07] <thedcm> Jucato: im helping the world
[04:07] <holstein> tdmg: I did not knew this brand; they probably don't sell in canada
[04:07] <thedcm> sorry you selfish prick
[04:07] <yokobr> i need to know how to update my repositories under apt get
[04:07] <yokobr> i dont want to download it manualy
[04:07] <holstein> tdmg: looks like a nVidia card
[04:07] <Jucato> this is not the place to help the world. this is a Kubuntu support channel
[04:08] <yokobr> yeap...
[04:08] <holstein> probably installable with Automatix or Easyubuntu...?
[04:08] <yokobr> im under kubuntu
[04:08] <holstein> not sure, I specifically choose a intel video card, since they support linux better
[04:08] <yokobr> i dont have them...i will try to get one
[04:08] <tdmg> holstein, I know it's an nVidia card
[04:08] <ching_> hi
[04:08] <tdmg> but adept won't let me download the drivers
[04:09] <tdmg> it gave me this problem last night
[04:09] <tdmg> and Dr_Willis had no clue what was up :-/
[04:09] <Jucato> yokobr: no package manager can automatically do updates with asking for your password
[04:09] <Jucato> it can, however, automatically inform you if updates are available
[04:10] <Drenhead> has anyone had any luck converting .tivo files to be playable on Kubuntu?
[04:10] <Jucato> then you can just click on the notification, enter you password, click on Fetch Updates, and then Apply Changes
[04:10] <thedcm> touche Jucato
[04:10] <holstein> tdmg: well, I'm sorry, I'm not much help for this... never had to install an nvidia drivers. :(
[04:10] <tdmg> who should I talk to?
[04:10] <holstein> tdmg: but the rest of the hardware seems ok for linux
[04:11] <Drenhead> on XP, i use directshow dump to get rid of the .tivo wrapper so it is just a regular .avi file.  I can't get DS dump to load using wine, however.
 what do you think might be my problem
[04:11] <Jucato> reddwolf: are you trying to install both ATI and NVIDIA drivers?
[04:11] <reddwolf> not sure
[04:11] <Jucato> reddwolf: I'm still trying to decipher this, I'm not familiar with EasyUbuntu...
[04:11] <reddwolf> i have a on video card
[04:11] <Cr4sh5> CheeseBurgerMan: I went to the linksys webpage and got the right drivers over Live Chat so they should be perfec why do they appear as invalid?
[04:12] <reddwolf> and a another on the is not part of the main mother board
[04:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: To be honest, I have no idea.
[04:12] <holstein> tdmg: maybe this would help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:12] <Jucato> hm... which one are you using right now?
[04:12] <Cr4sh5> okay
[04:12] <tdmg> holstein, already tried that last night
[04:12] <tdmg> thanks though :D
[04:12] <actinic> tdmg, you got an answer from Jucato so what's the prob?
[04:12] <reddwolf> the one that is not part of the mother board
[04:12] <reddwolf> and i'm not sure what that is
[04:12] <tdmg> actinic, everything........
[04:12] <holstein> tdmg: well... I'm done then.. :D
[04:13] <actinic> tdmg, do you try doing what Jucato said?
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Cr4sh5: Ubotu has a link about ndiswrapper, it may help you. That's about all I can do.
[04:13] <Jucato> err... that's gonna be a problem...
[04:13] <holstein> tdmg: good luck anyway.. :)
[04:13] <Jucato> what did I say?!?! @_@
[04:13] <Cr4sh5> !ndiswrapper
[04:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:13] <reddwolf> give me a few and i can cheack
[04:13] <tdmg> I didn't see what Jucato said, I'll go back.....
[04:13] <reddwolf> but i will have to log off
[04:13] <actinic> Jucato: about using Adept
[04:13] <maltaethiron> hey, when in nano, when saving, i get options that say "mac format" and "dos format"....what are those?
[04:13] <Jucato> oh...
[04:13] <holstein> tdmg: going to bed now anyway. keep asking here, sure you'll get answer!
[04:13] <reddwolf> brb
[04:14] <Jucato> tdmg: what's the problem again with installing NVIDIA drivers?
[04:15] <yokobr> just a last thing
[04:15] <tdmg> adept won't let me..........
[04:15] <actinic> why not tdmg?
[04:15] <GNULinuxGeek> Hwllo all.  For some reason Konqueror has broken and re-installing does not fix it.  S, I would like to install all of KDE 3.5.4 on my Dapper box.  Found a number of sites that have the stable version packages.  Do I have to download all of them and install one at a time?
[04:15] <actinic> be specific
[04:15] <yokobr> i need to know how to install my native language instead of english
[04:15] <tdmg> okay, I'll get you the error message again....
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNULinuxGeek: No, look here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[04:16] <actinic> !language
[04:16] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:16] <Jucato> lol!
[04:16] <actinic> lol
[04:16] <Jucato> !internationalization
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about internationalization - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <Jucato> !i18n
[04:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i18n - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:16] <thedcm> !pastebin
[04:16] <actinic> language must be a 4 letter word!
[04:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:16] <thedcm> like fuck
[04:16] <tdmg> Jucato, I think it might be working now..........I didn't do anything different though :-/
[04:16] <actinic> !spanish
[04:16] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:16] <thedcm> !help
[04:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[04:17] <actinic> !polish
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <word> !anything
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <word> ha
[04:17] <word> !help
[04:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[04:17] <Jucato> ok... let's stop pestering ubotu... ^_^
[04:17] <thedcm> !rape
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rape - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <word> the uboto bot is a flip flopper!
[04:17] <actinic> !iranian
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iranian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <actinic> lol
[04:17] <thedcm> !the internet
[04:17] <word> obotu*
[04:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about the internet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:17] <word> lol
[04:18] <Jucato> reddwolf: so? how did it go?
[04:18] <reddwolf> ati radeon graphics card
[04:18] <actinic> model radeon?
[04:18] <tdmg> Jucato, I can't seem to have nvidia-glx installed at the same time as nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig, why is that?
[04:18] <Jucato> oh, so it's ATI. it seems that you set EasyUbuntu to also install NVIDIA drivers.
[04:18] <reddwolf> not sure on that one
[04:18] <thedcm> !defiling the dead
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defiling the dead - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <ubuntu> grub error 17 who can help me
[04:19] <reddwolf> how can i chang that
[04:19] <reddwolf> *change
[04:19] <Jucato> tdmg: it's really supposed to be like that. nvidia-glx installs its own versions of nvidia-settigns and nvidia-glx
[04:19] <Cr4sh5> who can help me getting my wireless card working
[04:19] <reddwolf> oh
[04:19] <yokobr> hi
[04:19] <Cr4sh5> hi
[04:19] <Jucato> reddwolf: err.. that's what I'm not familiar with... T_T
[04:19] <tdmg> great :)
[04:20] <reddwolf> i can still use my navida one
[04:20] <Jucato> reddwolf: but you can't install both drivers...
[04:20] <Jucato> I'm not familiar with how to use EasyUbuntu
[04:20] <reddwolf> i have the ati in cus i use a program on xp that deals with solid modleing
[04:20] <Jucato> are there no checkboxes which allow you to choose what it installs?
[04:20] <reddwolf> yes
[04:21] <tdmg> Jucato, how do I set up my computer so that it uses both me external display and my laptop screen, because right now it is only using my external monitor
[04:21] <thedcm> why do you need two monitors you monitor whore
[04:22] <Jucato> !coc
[04:22] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:22] <thedcm> !cock
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <reddwolf> thats my problem then i was cheacking everything
[04:22] <Jucato> thedcm: I thought you were here to help?
[04:22] <reddwolf> and not reading what it was saying
[04:23] <Jucato> tdmg: sorry, I'm not familiar with dual monitors
[04:23] <thedcm> nobody needs help on linux
[04:23] <thedcm> jeez its not like it's windows
[04:23] <actinic> i luv the trolls that show up
[04:24] <reddwolf> i only have one moniter
[04:24] <Jucato> you should have been here yesterday...
[04:24] <reddwolf> but this time i'm running the easyubuntu with the nivda uncheacked
[04:24] <Jucato> reddwolf: can you still run EasyUbuntu and uncheck those that you don't need?
[04:24] <otaku-san> actinic: me too but it's best to just let em' live in there own world and ignore em'
[04:24] <Jucato> you could also uncheck the GStreamer stuff.
[04:25] <Jucato> otaku-san: except that they can be very disruptive at times...
[04:25] <tdmg> Jucato, who should I speak to about dual monitors?
[04:25] <reddwolf> i'm running it right now
[04:25] <nixternal> quit ctcp'n me please
[04:25] <thedcm> why
[04:25] <Kr4t05> thedcm: don't mass CTCP
[04:25] <thedcm> why
[04:25] <nixternal> because i asked nicely
[04:25] <thedcm> why
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Am I the only one who wants to call the kops?
[04:26] <nixternal> good bye
[04:26] <nixternal> get um imbrandon
[04:26] <Jucato> tdmg: err... try asking again??  I'm not really sure who to ask
[04:26] <nixternal> attack
[04:26] <Jucato> yey!!!
[04:26] <nixternal> ;)
[04:26] <thedcm> YOU NIGGERS
[04:26] <Jucato> err...
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> !kops
[04:26] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[04:26] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:26] <thedcm> I HATE YOU SMELLY APES
[04:26] <nixternal> i love you
[04:26] <thedcm> WITH YOUR DUMB LINUX
[04:26] <tdmg> can someone help me set up my dual monitors? :D
[04:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> Thanks.
[04:26] <soulrider> !jaav
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jaav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <nixternal> thank you!
[04:26] <soulrider> !java
[04:26] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:26] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[04:26] <actinic> man I wish I could get that delete button!
[04:26] <Hobbsee> thansk nalioth
[04:27] <Cr4sh5> *cries* this is not working
[04:27] <reddwolf> jucato sofar so good no errors
[04:27] <Jucato> thank you imbrandon and nalioth
[04:27] <GNULinuxGeek>  For some reason Konqueror has broken and re-installing does not fix it.  S, I would like to install all of KDE 3.5.4 on my Dapper box.  Found a number of sites that have the stable version packages.  Do I have to download all of them and install one at a time?
[04:27] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNULinuxGeek: No, look here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[04:27] <Jucato> GNULinuxGeek: you just need to add one of the repositories in the page that CheeseBurgerMan gave
[04:28] <otaku-san> Jucato: Do I speak to soon?  Do they who disrupt leave?
[04:28] <actinic> GNULinuxGeek, 3.5.4 is very buggy
[04:28] <Jucato> but for some reasons, I couldn't recommend KDE 3.5.4
[04:28] <GNULinuxGeek> Cheese did look there and can't seem to get it loaded.  I originally load ubuntu but then added KDE.  That might be part of the problem.
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNULinuxGeek: That shouldn't make any difference.
[04:28] <Jucato> otaku-san: he was just got kicked/banned
[04:28] <Cr4sh5> Anyone here get a wireless linksys card working on Kubuntu?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: chanserv seems really slow today....
[04:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: i noticed
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Cr4sh5: which chipset?  check with lspci
[04:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right.  i've gone and banned him in most of the user channels.
[04:29] <yokobr> where i have to change on Xorg.conf? to change my resolution
[04:29] <Jucato> GNULinuxGeek: add one of the repositories, like the "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages...", then sudo apt-get update first
[04:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNULinuxGeek: Did you run 'sudo apt-get update' after adding the line?
[04:29] <otaku-san> Jucato: I know..I was just seeing if it was true...ok back to Kubuntu
[04:29] <GNULinuxGeek> Cheese No. will try
[04:29] <Jucato> otaku-san: eheheh :-D
[04:30] <Jucato> yokobr: it wasn't automatically detected/set when you installed the drivers?
[04:30] <Jucato> reddwolf: keeping my fingers crossed :-D
[04:30] <reddwolf> i'm seeing errors but its still running
[04:30] <yokobr> wel...the probles is that i does not have 1024x768 o display manager...
[04:31] <yokobr> so i have to manualy change my xorg.cong
[04:31] <yokobr> conf*
[04:31] <Phoenix92x> Hi, I'm running Dapper on a Latitude D610 kernel 2.6.15-26-686 and am having a madenning problem. Two applications, gam_server and kded are taking around 40% of my processor each. It fluctuates a tiny bit, but basically my system is almost unuseable. I've googled these apps some and they seem to be fairly important so I can't just get rid of them. Could somebody please help me?
[04:31] <Jucato> oh
[04:31] <yokobr> and....i cant install nvidia drivers
[04:32] <Jucato> yokobr: how come you can't? what's wrong?
[04:32] <yokobr> becaus i need build-essentials and i cant get it trough apt-get
[04:32] <Jucato> let me check for a while...
[04:32] <otaku-san> Hey ok I've had a prob with deKorator...for a while now.  I got it and untarred it, ./configed it and it said all was ok....but when I went to "make" it b0rkz....should I nuke it and rehash from the beggining?
[04:33] <actinic> Phoenix92x, what's your system memory?
[04:33] <Phoenix92x> 1024 MB DDR2
[04:33] <Jucato> yokobr: err... my bad, you don't need build-essentials after all. which guide are you following btw?
[04:33] <Jucato> otaku-san: what do you mean by "borked"?
[04:33] <Jucato> er... b0rkz
[04:33] <yokobr> look this
[04:34] <actinic> Phoenix92x, how much is being used?  type 'free' without the quotes in a console
[04:34] <yokobr> theres another site to post unless pastebin.com?
[04:34] <otaku-san> Jucato: I mean Konsole came up with errors for days....which I though configure was there for...to stop errors.
[04:34] <Jucato> yokobr: you can just paste the link here
[04:34] <larson9999> yeah kuickshow!
[04:35] <yokobr> yeapp, but i need to know a site to paste..
[04:35] <yokobr> because paste bin is too slow
[04:35] <Phoenix92x> actinic: Mem:       Total: 1034524     Used: 757868     Free: 276656
[04:35] <Jucato> yokobr: err... I wouldn't know anything else
[04:35] <actinic> Phoenix92x, hmm that's similar to mine
[04:36] <Phoenix92x> Eveything's so slow I dont see what I'm typing into this box for around 10 seconds
[04:36] <actinic> Phoenix92x, u have a swap file?
[04:36] <Phoenix92x> yes, a 2048 MB swap partition
[04:36] <actinic> man i'm drawing a blank.  does your research suggest anything?
[04:37] <Phoenix92x> actinic: not in particular, the machine is just about unuseable
[04:37] <reddwolf> i think i got it most of the errors were for programs like skype and some that i don't need
[04:37] <Phoenix92x> brb, food's here,
[04:37] <Jucato> reddwolf: ehehe! that's what you get for checking everything :-D
[04:37] <otaku-san> Jucato: do you want me to pastebin the errors?
[04:38] <Jucato> otaku-san: sure. but I'm not sure if I can absolutely help
[04:38] <reddwolf> so i ran again but only cheaked what i needed
[04:38] <actinic> Phoenix92x: sata drive per chance?
[04:38] <otaku-san> Jucato: I totally understand....I'm the same way!  Hehe
[04:39] <GNULinuxGeek> CheeseBMan:  It seems to be working, Thanks
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> GNULinuxGeek: You're welcome. :)
[04:39] <otaku-san> Jucato: I'll just post em' and hope maybe someone if they look at it recognize the errors
[04:39] <Jucato> sure! go for it
[04:39] <john___> hey is here someone willing to help me to install Quake3 from a bin file?
[04:40] <reddwolf> yes i can play dvds now
[04:40] <yokobr> here!!
[04:40] <yokobr> http://pastebin.ca/135620
[04:41] <yokobr> jucato?
[04:41] <Phoenix92x> actinic: yes
[04:41] <yokobr> http://pastebin.ca/135620
[04:41] <Jucato> looking
[04:41] <yokobr> its my error message
[04:41] <yokobr> while installing nvidia
[04:41] <reddwolf> jucato i got dvd video know
[04:42] <Jucato> cool! congratulations reddwolf
[04:42] <reddwolf> watching land of the dead
[04:42] <Ertain> Does anyone know of a program that can find duplicates of a certain file in a directory?
[04:42] <Jucato> yokobr: I need the link to the guide you are following for installing NVIDIA drivers
[04:43] <Phoenix92x> actinic: it is a sata drive, ye
[04:43] <Phoenix92x> *yes
[04:43] <yokobr> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8762.html
[04:43] <Phoenix92x> gam_server uses about 5 MB of RAM
[04:43] <Phoenix92x> kded around 17MB
[04:45] <Phoenix92x> actinic: I reallllly hope you have an idea I havn't thought of =) that would cheer me up
[04:46] <bkudria> does the dapper livecd include ntfsresize?  ...because i can't resize my partiton using qtparted...
[04:47] <yokobr> Jucato?
[04:47] <Jucato> yokobr: have you tried this? http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[04:48] <Jucato> use Method 1, it's much simpler than what you were trying to do
[04:48] <actinic> Phoenix92x, i've heard of some sata issues relating to high cpu use but that's all i can think of
[04:49] <reddwolf> i will catch yall later
[04:49] <reddwolf> need some sleep
[04:49] <Jucato> reddwolf: bye! enjoy your DVD's! :-D
[04:49] <reddwolf> i will thanks for you help
[04:49] <Phoenix92x> actinic: I see, gah though....I can barely use the machine! I want to just scream half the time
[04:50] <otaku-san> Jacato: whoa!  hehe don't do kwin --replace....I just did something pretty n00b
[04:50] <Jucato>  O_o
[04:50] <Kiongku> anyone ever tried prozilla here?
[04:51] <Jucato> err. no  man pages for kwin...
[04:51] <Jucato> Kiongku: ehehe you're back
[04:51] <Kiongku> !info kwin
[04:51] <ubotu> kwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 957 kB, installed size 3200 kB
[04:51] <Kiongku> jucato: o
[04:51] <Kiongku> *yo
[04:51] <Jucato> otaku-san: kwin --replace                 Replace already-running ICCCM2.0-compliant window manager
[04:52] <Kiongku> lol
[04:52] <Jucato> grr... I just wish there was some way for Firefox to integrate nicely with KDE... then I probably would be using it more than Konqueror...
[04:52] <bigbill52a> kdesu konqueror does not work...i can use gksudo nautilus while in kde..that works...
[04:53] <D4rkly> vmware 4tha win :)
[04:53] <otaku-san> Jacato: Hahaha thank goodness nothing major happened...just some windows popping up and down for a second like popcorn
[04:53] <Phoenix92x> actinic: any idea of who I should talk to next or what I should look into? I absolutely need to solve this
[04:53] <Jucato> bigbill52a: try running the command in Konsole to see what error messages it spits out
[04:53] <bigbill52a> sometimes it doesnt work..does anyone know why?
[04:53] <Jucato> a kdesu bug, I think
[04:54] <actinic> Phoenix92x, sorry no
[04:54] <Jucato> sometimes it launches immediately, sometimes it needs a second nudge
[04:54] <otaku-san> Jucato: you mean like themes?  Like you have everything the same look but Firefox looks completly different?
[04:54] <Jucato> otaku-san: no. I mean Firefox using kio slaves and KGet
[04:55] <otaku-san> Jucato: oh...hehe...never used that...so never had to worry I guess
[04:55] <bigbill52a> it is working now..but earlier it didnt work..but check flood for an error message i see quite often
[04:55] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:55] <Kiongku> jucato: btw.. now using prozilla.. its better and easier than i thought
[04:55] <Phoenix92x> actinic: allright, thank you.  If anyone else has any ideas as to why gam_server and kded are taking a combined total of 80 PERCENT of my processor please help ^_^
[04:55] <yokobr> didnt worked....
[04:55] <Jucato> Kiongku: cool. :-D
[04:56] <maltaethiron> hey, is there any way that i can use my xbox 360 controller on kubuntu?
[04:56] <yokobr> jucato
[04:56] <Jucato> yokobr: how did it not work?
[04:56] <Kiongku> jucato: .. now i want to test out the resume function O_o.. i wonder if restarting my pc will delete the files already downloaded..
[04:56] <yokobr> i dont know
[04:57] <yokobr> it say something about dependencies..
[04:57] <yokobr> look
[04:57] <Jucato> brb
[04:57] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: lol u connected ur gamepad to ur pc?
[04:57] <yokobr> about gcc3
[04:57] <david_> how do i get the applications button back?
[04:57] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Try killing them.
[04:57] <yokobr> pearl base
[04:57] <david_> My son deleted on
[04:57] <maltaethiron> yup, my usb controller from xbox360
[04:57] <maltaethiron> i wanna use it as a mouse
[04:57] <yokobr> libc6
[04:57] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: I kill them they restart in less than 2 seconds
[04:57] <maltaethiron> that'd be so tight
[04:58] <yokobr> and much more
[04:58] <Kiongku> david_: its vague ur qustion
[04:58] <Kiongku> maltaethiron: sorry, i dunt have any controllers.. so i cant test it out myself
[04:58] <maltaethiron> mm
[04:58] <maltaethiron> !xbox
[04:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:59] <david_> The button up top of your screen that accesses all your programs is gone
[04:59] <Kiongku> did u try right click on the taskbar to see?
[04:59] <Kiongku> *david
[04:59] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: crap...ok I anaged to kill kded  but now gam_server is now taking 70-85% of the processor just by itself, and I can't manage to kill gam_server no matter what I do
[05:00] <david_> ill try that h
[05:00] <Kiongku> yokobr: type that sudo apt-get -i build-essential
[05:00] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: How did you kill gam_server (or try?)
[05:01] <Phoenix92x> sudo killall gam_server
[05:01] <otaku-san> ok n00b question...how do I make Konversation transparent?  I've looked all over and can't find anything
[05:01] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Not enough - TRY killall -HUP gam_server
[05:02] <Phoenix92x> kills it for under a second
[05:02] <Phoenix92x> it comes back taking 70-85%
[05:02] <Kiongku> otaku-san: why make it transparent?
[05:02] <david_> I looked i don't see anything
[05:02] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: interrupting (with the default, -INT) didnt work
[05:02] <Kiongku> david_: ok ok.. tell me exactly what is gone?
[05:02] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ok, try killall -KILL gam_server
[05:02] <actinic> or killall -9 gam_server
[05:03] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: doesnt do a thing
[05:03] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: sudo
[05:03] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: was already doing it with sudo
[05:03] <Kiongku> david_: is it the k menu?
[05:03] <otaku-san> Kiongku: hehe why not?  It's not windoze so I'm not forced to tke what's given to me...I have control...except the transparency of Konverstion
[05:03] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ok, another program is starting it.
[05:03] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: even doing it as root via sudo su doesnt do a thing
[05:03] <Kiongku> otaku-san: ah lol
[05:04] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ^^^^^
[05:04] <yokobr> ive tryied, but lots of dependencies are required
[05:04] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: should I start killing programs and seeing the effect then?
[05:04] <actinic> Phoenix92x, go to system settings --> system services
[05:04] <david_> The word on the top of the screen that says "Applications" that when you click on it it brings down a menu of all your applications
[05:04] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: No
[05:04] <Kiongku> yokobr: did u enable all ur repositories and then update?
[05:04] <otaku-san> david_: so your Kmenu button was deleted by your son?
[05:04] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: follow  actinic;s instruction
[05:04] <Kiongku> otaku-san: same thought here
[05:04] <actinic> Phoenix92x, then click 'administrator mode'
[05:05] <david_> yes
[05:05] <actinic> highlight the offending service and click the stop button'
[05:05] <otaku-san> Kiongku: in the deletion of buttons or transparency?
[05:05] <Phoenix92x> actinc: doing it, but it will take a while, the system is extremely sow
[05:05] <Phoenix92x> *slow
[05:05] <Kiongku> otaku-san: button goners
[05:06] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: how much ram, and whats the cpu speed?
[05:06] <Phoenix92x> 1024 MB
[05:06] <otaku-san> david_: ok all is not lost...it's just a matter of finding it...I mean it's easy to delete it so it'll be easy to recover
[05:06] <Phoenix92x> Centrino 2GHz
[05:06] <Kiongku> david_: right click task bar > add application to panel > Add this menu. May be that will be good?
[05:06] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: modern enough
[05:06] <Phoenix92x> quite =)
[05:07] <Kiongku> david_: ehrm better. Add applet and look for k menu
[05:07] <Kiongku> right click task bad > add applet > look for k menu
[05:07] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Why do you want gam_server gone?
[05:07] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks, actinic: its not listed
[05:07] <otaku-san> david_: Yeah try that....I'll experiment with my Kmenu and see if I can delete and recover it
[05:07] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: its taking 70-85 % of my processor and rendering my system nearly unuseable
[05:07] <Kiongku> otaku-san: its removal
[05:07] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Should be killed, then.
[05:08] <otaku-san> david_: found it
[05:08] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: should, but it won't die
[05:08] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: and I said should :p
[05:08] <otaku-san> david_: heres what you do
[05:08] <Phoenix92x> lol
[05:08] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ##linux time?
[05:08] <Phoenix92x> the channel is called ##linux and not #linux?
[05:09] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Right.
[05:09] <actinic> Phoenix92x, ok hit ctrl-esc
[05:09] <Jucato> grr.. phone call
[05:09] <Phoenix92x> actinic: allright
[05:09] <actinic> that should bring us running processes
[05:09] <kbrooks> actinic: er, gam_server is background
[05:09] <otaku-san> david_:right click your a button on your panel, then go to add applet to panel
[05:09] <kbrooks> ok, bed time.
[05:09] <actinic> hmm
[05:09] <Phoenix92x> actinin: the list is up
[05:09] <actinic> any gam listing there?
[05:10] <otaku-san> david_: scroll down a bit to Kmenu...click it and it will be added
[05:10] <Phoenix92x> gam_server is listed
[05:10] <actinic> highlight it
[05:10] <Phoenix92x> user % = ~20
[05:10] <yokobr> hi
[05:10] <Phoenix92x> system % = ~40-50
[05:10] <actinic> right click
[05:10] <Phoenix92x> k
[05:10] <actinic> send signal
[05:10] <yokobr> what is the command to shutdown in a specific time?
[05:10] <Phoenix92x> k
[05:10] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: idf you cant kill it, give it less priority.
[05:11] <otaku-san> Kiongku: hehe you said that too... I feel retarded
[05:11] <actinic> sigkill maybe?
[05:11] <yokobr> shutdown -h 120?
[05:11] <yokobr> or what?
[05:11] <Phoenix92x> actinic: it doesnt even disappear fro the list, it goes to 0 for a moment and then shoots right back up
[05:11] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Then less priority
[05:11] <actinic> lol an outta control app
[05:12] <yokobr> shutdown -h 120?
[05:12] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: how do I give it less priority?
[05:12] <yokobr> at konsole
[05:12] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Give it 20 priority
[05:12] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: I dont know how to do that
[05:12] <Jucato> yokobr: sorry. i had to take a phone call
[05:12] <Kiongku> otaku-san:nah.. i remember u were here before me =)
[05:12] <yokobr> ok
[05:12] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: No idea how in GUI. Do you have a terminal open?
[05:12] <yokobr> what is the command to shutdown in a specific time?
[05:12] <Jucato> err...
[05:13] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: I can open a terminal
[05:13] <kbrooks> yokobr: that command.
[05:13] <kbrooks> yokobr: Add sudo
[05:13] <otaku-san> Kiongku: hehe in what way?
[05:13] <Jucato> yokobr: shutdown -t <seconds>
[05:13] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: terminal open
[05:13] <yokobr> and for 2 hours?
[05:13] <yokobr> -h?
[05:13] <Kiongku> otaku-san: i'm only a 3 days old linux user XD?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> yokobr: 2x60x60
[05:13] <Jucato> 2*60*60
[05:13] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ls -a | grep gam
[05:13] <Hawkwind> yokobr: -h is halt
[05:13] <Jucato> -h means "halt"
[05:14] <Jucato> lol!
[05:14] <Jucato> Hawkwind beat me to it
[05:14] <yokobr> yeap..
[05:14] <kbrooks> Jucato: it acceptsv a time
[05:14] <Hawkwind> yokobr: If it helps, man shutdown will help you if noone else knows the answer
[05:14] <yokobr> halt is shut down
[05:14] <Phoenix92x> it says triangle_game.hs
[05:14] <kbrooks> in factt, now is valid
[05:14] <Phoenix92x> but that file isnt open....or running...
[05:14] <Kiongku> 2*60*60 = 7200.. too much maths for me
[05:14] <Hawkwind> kbrooks: He wants to specify a time, not 'now'
[05:14] <Jucato> yokobr: halt means "stop", which incidentally means shut down
[05:14] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: that's not it
[05:14] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: what should I have done then?
[05:14] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: sorry, ps
[05:15] <otaku-san> Kiongku: Yeah your so uber n00b!!! ;)  Naw so am I...I sux0r when it starts getting down and dirty with the kernel....*shivers
[05:15] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: i typoed, sorry
[05:15] <Phoenix92x> ps -a | grep gam?
[05:15] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: right on. :p
[05:15] <Kiongku> otaku-san: lol the kernel i'm using i compiled it yesterday
[05:15] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: didnt do a thing
[05:15] <Kiongku> Kiongku: its my 2nd try.. much much better =)
[05:15] <yokobr> so, to turn off my oc in two hours , $ - shutdown -t 2*60*60 ?
[05:15] <Kiongku> XD** oosp otaku-san
[05:15] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: no ?
[05:15] <kbrooks> yokobr: NO!
[05:16] <otaku-san> Kiongku: Oh man elite!!!!  I feel n00b
[05:16] <Jucato> yokobr: no. compute it...
[05:16] <kbrooks> yokobr: calucate the '2*60*60'
[05:16] <yokobr> shutdown -h 120?
[05:16] <Jucato> 7200
[05:16] <yokobr> its on min. ?
[05:16] <kbrooks> yokobr: 2 minutes.
[05:16] <kbrooks> yokobr: seconds
[05:16] <yokobr> hummmmm
[05:16] <Kiongku> otaku-san: i'm no eilte.. follow one of the guides and u can get one too :P
[05:16] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: it doesnt give any output at all
[05:16] <Jucato> 2 hours x 60 minutes x 60 seconds
[05:16] <actinic> Hawkwind, i want to downgrade kde per your site.  Any issues you've heard?
[05:17] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Dud you remove the ?
[05:17] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: question mark.
[05:17] <Phoenix92x> I put in "ps -a | grep gam"
[05:17] <Phoenix92x> without the quotes
[05:17] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: try that as root
[05:17] <yokobr> i quit
[05:17] <Jucato> yokobr: something like "shutdown -t 7200"
[05:17] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Dont use sudo su
[05:17] <otaku-san> Kiongku: hehe!  Yeah...I mean why do you think Howtos were made...a bunch of gurus got tired of us n00bs so they wrote the things...thank goodness
[05:18] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: use sudo <command>
[05:18] <Phoenix92x> how do I get to root without using sudo su?
[05:18] <Hawkwind> actinic: Nope.  Everyone has been successful that has done it so far
[05:18] <Phoenix92x> ok
[05:18] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: tried it, no output at all
[05:18] <Kiongku> otaku-san: or we would have hacked all their lives asking the questin for the 100th time
[05:18] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: sudo -s is fine for a shell
[05:18] <actinic> Hawkwind, ok good to hear
[05:18] <yokobr> i ve used shutdown -h 120, or 120t....i dont remember
[05:18] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: Seems like it WAS already killed then.
[05:18] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks, I put in  "sudo -s ps -a | grep gam"
[05:18] <kbrooks> yokobr: THE corrrect thing is shutdown -h 7200
[05:19] <Phoenix92x> and it said
[05:19] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: No, i mean a interactive shell.
[05:19] <Phoenix92x> "/bin/ps: /bin/ps: cannot execute binary file"
[05:19] <actinic> 808 points now for Team Kubuntu.  Only me, however :(
[05:19] <actinic> http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=51238
[05:19] <Kiongku> actinic: folding team?
[05:19] <actinic> yep
[05:19] <otaku-san> Kiongku: or they would start to creat meaner things to say than RTFM!!! Hahaha
[05:19] <actinic> i'm so lonely :)
[05:19] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks: an interative shell?
[05:20] <Phoenix92x> *active?
[05:20] <Kiongku> otaku-san haha..
[05:20] <Phoenix92x> Im already in a shell...
[05:20] <Kiongku> actinic: i'll see if i'll join..
[05:20] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: sudo -s is a root shell.
[05:20] <Phoenix92x> *nods*
[05:20] <Kiongku> Ok everyone.. school starts soon. C ya all.. laters
[05:20] <actinic> woohoo, I'd appreciate it Kiongku
[05:20] <Phoenix92x> I did "ps aux | grep gam_server"
[05:20] <Phoenix92x> and it said /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[05:21] <Phoenix92x> so something is running it....
[05:21] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: full line
[05:21] <kbrooks> dont edit output
[05:21] <Phoenix92x> its taking 76% of my proc
[05:21] <Kiongku> actinic: it'll be later though :P.. i need quit now
[05:21] <Phoenix92x> Im sorrry?
[05:21] <Phoenix92x> what do you mean by full line?
[05:21] <Kiongku> actinic: send me the quick link to ur page. i'l bookmark it
[05:21] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: i neeed the full line thast you got the gam_server info from, the output
[05:21] <Phoenix92x> righto
[05:22] <actinic> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7868.0, Kiongku
[05:22] <Phoenix92x> I did 'ps aux | grep gam_server' what came out was
[05:22] <kbrooks> NO
[05:22] <Kiongku> actinic: ok
[05:22] <kbrooks> dnt paste here
[05:22] <david_> I couldn't find what you were talking about, but i did find something that works, xfce menu
[05:22] <Phoenix92x> phoenix 17006 71.0 0.4 6020 4800 ?       R 22:11 6:34 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[05:22] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: paste thawt one line here
[05:23] <kbrooks> h/o
[05:23] <Phoenix92x> phoenix  17006 71.0  0.4   6020  4800 ?        R    22:11   6:34 /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[05:23] <kbrooks> i saw it.
[05:23] <kbrooks> no need to repaste.
[05:23] <otaku-san> hey does anyone know why when I used Automatix and installed Frostwire I can't find it anywhere?
[05:23] <D4rkly> anyone know how to install codecs for kaffine ?
[05:24] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: ps axjf - paste output to rafb.net/paste
[05:24] <Kiongku> actinic: btw u forgot how to instruct disabling it :p
[05:24] <Phoenix92x> how do I do that?
[05:24] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: select all output, copy it, paste to textbox
[05:24] <actinic> Kiongku, that was deliberate :)
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> to textbox?
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> ohhh rafb.net is a site
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> lol
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> sorry
[05:25] <actinic> D4rkly, try easyubuntu
[05:25] <actinic> !easyubuntu
[05:25] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> I did ps axjf and is errored on me
[05:25] <kbrooks> Phoenix92x: and show link
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> never mind
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> I inputted wrong
[05:25] <Phoenix92x> lol
[05:25] <Kiongku> actinic: scary... i just got kubuntu work well. Dunt want to do somethign without a safe refeversal XD
[05:26] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:26] <Jucato> scary indeed
[05:26] <actinic> Kiongku, don't worry about it.  It's a standalone app
[05:26] <actinic> doesn't affect anything else
[05:26] <actinic> lol
[05:27] <actinic> but don't quote me on that :)
[05:27] <Kiongku> actinic: hahaha.. i'll do some more research before deciding.. ok c ya got to run now
[05:27] <kbrooks> Kiongku: it looks like its standalone though
[05:27] <actinic> ok, i'm watching the dance finals on tv ... brb
[05:28] <kbrooks> BTW ALL. EU and AX are not mutually exclusive, iirc
[05:28] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: hey
[05:29] <kbrooks> ok bed tme
[05:29] <kbrooks> bye bye.
[05:30] <Phoenix92x> kbrooks
[05:30] <Phoenix92x> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/aI0YrJ43.html
[05:31] <Phoenix92x> dammit...he already left...
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> yokobr: btw - you could do shutdown -h -t $((2*60*60))
[05:31] <JRH3K5> !shell
[05:31] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:32] <Phoenix92x> crap....I really wanted to try and get gam_server to stop taking over my computer too...
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> anyone having problems with k3b burning DVD's? I get to about 5% and k3b says it's done however mkisofs never exits, and k3b won't quit until I kill mkisofs [even though the DVD has already ejected] 
[05:33] <Phoenix92x> well
[05:34] <Phoenix92x> if anyone cacn help me with the whole gam_server problem Id really appreciate it...
[05:35] <otaku-san> Kiongku: Yo!!!!! That kwin thing messed up my desktop...it's all ...messed up!!!  should I just run kwin?  or try kwin --replace again?
[05:35] <Phoenix92x> perhaps there is some way for me to engage in honorable combat with this wretched 'gam_server' thing...
[05:35] <Phoenix92x> bahhhh *shakes fist* foolish gamin witchcraft!
[05:36] <JRH3K5> How do I change a user's shell from /bin/ssh to /bin/rssh?
[05:36] <JRH3K5> (from the terminal)
[05:36] <otaku-san> Kiongku: all of the tops of my windows pulled up are missing!!!
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> JRH3K5: usermod -s /bin/rssh [username] 
[05:36] <JRH3K5> usermod, thanks
[05:37] <otaku-san> he left
[05:37] <otaku-san> anybody else with some good ideas on what to do when kwin goes nuts?
[05:38] <Jucato> otaku-san: try running kwin again?
[05:38] <pierreth> hello
[05:39] <pierreth> what the name of the program used to add new applications?
[05:39] <otaku-san> Jucato: got that idea right as I saw you type it up!  Yep it worked...should of seen that...kwin --replace...well replaces it so running kwin will reestablish it
[05:39] <Jucato> Adept?
[05:39] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:39] <pierreth> Jucato: where this is suppose to be?
[05:39] <Jucato> K Menu > System
[05:40] <Phoenix92x> should I perhaps ask my gam_server question in ##linux ?
[05:40] <pierreth> it is not there
[05:40] <Jucato> the Add/Remove Programs is a simplified version. Adept is the more poweful/complete version
[05:40] <otaku-san> Jucato...but I can't close Konsole cause now I've lost the tops of my windows again.......oh jeez....Hawkwind I think I may need to reboot
[05:40] <Jucato> otaku-san: no need to reboot
[05:40] <Jucato> just restart X
[05:40] <Phoenix92x> should I ask about the gam_server thing in ##linux instead?
[05:41] <LeeJunFan> Phoenix92x: is gam kde specific? if not I'd try ubuntu. I haven't used anything other than kde in so long I don't know if gam is used by anything else.
[05:41] <Jucato> pierreth: try pressing Alt+F2 then enter "adept" (without the quotes)
[05:41] <pierreth> Jucato: i just made an install of it
[05:41] <otaku-san> Jucato: holy moley...thats a bit harsh...tho' lead this n00b please who stuck his big ole' nose to far into the deeps of Linux
[05:42] <pierreth> it now works! :-)
[05:42] <pierreth> curious, it was gone
[05:42] <otaku-san> Jucato: how do I restart X?
[05:42] <Jucato> otaku-san: restarting X is less harsh than rebooting :-D
[05:42] <D4rkly> ctrl-alt backspace to restart X
[05:42] <Jucato> otaku-san: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. It's going to shutdown ALL grpahical apps
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> otaku-san: ctrl-alt-backspace [perhaps twice] 
[05:42] <Jucato> s/grpahical/graphical
[05:43] <D4rkly> ctrl-alt backspace i done it for the glx nvidia drivers
[05:43] <otaku-san> Jucato: I don't know....It stinks but after being a Windoze user it kinda loses it's edge...ok now restarting X
[05:43] <Jucato> otaku-san: save everything you need to save...
[05:43] <D4rkly> lol
[05:44] <Jucato> otaku-san: at least you don't have to restart everything :-D
[05:44] <otaku-san> Jucato: ok...whats that s/grpahical/graphical .....hehe yeah so Linux users just restart X!
[05:45] <Jucato> substitute grpahical with graphical (typos...)
[05:45] <D4rkly> i got vmware working with a bit of help now i can run xp inside a window :)
[05:45] <Jucato> grr.. gotta go. I'm starving
[05:45] <Jucato> :-D
[05:45] <otaku-san> run that in Konsole?  Oh and whats the keyboard shortcut to Konsole....I can't get to it
[05:45] <otaku-san> See ya!
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> otaku-san: the s/[search] /[replace]  is syntax for the sed command
[05:45] <Jucato> otaku-san: no. I made a typo, so I corrected myself
[05:46] <otaku-san> ok eat man!!!
[05:46] <D4rkly> F4 from a dir
[05:46] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X
[05:46] <Jucato> you can make your own shortcut for launching Konsole
[05:46] <Jucato> I made mine Ctrl+Alt+T (for terminal)
[05:46] <Jucato> guess he restarted X... ehehe
[05:49] <otaku-san> whoot!  it worked....talk about give me a hard attack I thought it had died!
[05:49] <Jucato> lol
[05:49] <Jucato> glad to hear it worked
[05:49] <Jucato> now to eat
[05:49] <otaku-san> Jucato: ok man go eat!  Thanks alot
[05:49] <Jucato> itadakimasu!!!!
[05:50] <otaku-san> oh hehe I need to learn Japanese
[05:50] <otaku-san> more
[05:51] <otaku-san> oh hehe typo that's w00t!
[05:55] <kirsten> help! my apt-get is broken! every time i try to use it it says The package hl1440lpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[05:58] <NoooBie> need help!!! how can i open a dokument with roots?
[05:58] <otaku-san> kirsten: not to be un-helpful but this is the first time I've ever heard of that happening!
[05:58] <otaku-san> NoooBie: like what kind?  an open office?
[05:59] <Hawkwind> NoooBie: kdesu kwrite /path/to/file
[05:59] <NoooBie> yes
[05:59] <Hawkwind> NoooBie: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor of choice
[05:59] <NoooBie> thx
[05:59] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: dang I had em'
[06:00] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: just trying to put your knowledge to good use master! ;)
[06:00] <vale> hola
[06:00] <osiris> what is the apt-get dist upgrade command? i must be doing something wrong
[06:00] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Heh
[06:00] <vale> solicito ayuda en redes
[06:00] <Hawkwind> osiris: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:00] <otaku-san> kirsten: have you tried googling it?
[06:00] <Hawkwind> vale: #Kubunut-ES
[06:01] <vale> #kubuntu-es
[06:01] <osiris> thx Hawkwind, forgot the -
[06:01] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: have you ever heard of kirstens prob?
[06:01] <Hawkwind> osiris: Tab/Bash completion :P
[06:01] <Hawkwind> jeephy: Are you done changing nicks yet ?
[06:01] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Nope
[06:02] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: sounds dangerous to me...adepts a big thing it Linux
[06:02] <otaku-san> or Debian
[06:02] <otaku-san> or Ubuntu....Kubuntu
[06:03] <Hawkwind> pansatoy: Would you please stop that.  If you're going to change nicks constantly, part all channels please
[06:03] <D4rkly> has anyone managed to get an ati tv wonder working ?
[06:03] <osiris> Hawkwind, the hardware works.  now to rebuild everything
[06:03] <D4rkly> also does adept have codes for kaffine ?
[06:04] <Hawkwind> Codes for kaffiene ?
[06:04] <D4rkly> lol typo codecs
[06:05] <Hawkwind> !codecs
[06:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:08] <osiris> how do i get matching sources for my kernel ?
[06:08] <Hawkwind> osiris: What are you trying to install ?
[06:08] <osiris> gonna do nvidia in a tic here
[06:08] <Hawkwind> !nvidia > osiris
[06:09] <Hawkwind> osiris: Use the stuff that comes in the repos. Much easier
[06:09] <osiris> Hawkwind: i here the official drivers run better
[06:09] <osiris> idk
[06:09] <Hawkwind> osiris: They are all the same
[06:09] <D4rkly> how do enable multiverse and universe ?
[06:09] <osiris> ok. roger that
[06:09] <Hawkwind> !repos > D4rkly
[06:10] <Hawkwind> osiris: As soon as you get things done, then you going to build your kernel using the LFD how-to ?
[06:10] <otaku-san> hey is there another irc thing like Konversation that allows transparent backgrounds?  Konversation soesn't support it!
[06:10] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Xchat
[06:10] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Or if you want a CLI client, irssi
[06:11] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: You use that right...I've seen it on some of your screenshots...or something like that
[06:11] <otaku-san> what is a CLI client?
[06:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: Yes.  I use Xchat exclusively
[06:12] <otaku-san> hehe I'll go check it out!
[06:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: CLI = Command Line Interface, console, terminal, konsole client.  irssi is non-graphical, pure text
[06:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: sudo apt-get install xchat
[06:12] <Hawkwind> otaku-san: If you want the very latest xchat, then http://SeerOfSouls.com/ubuntu.html and add my deb repo to your sources.list
[06:13] <otaku-san> Sweet!  You are the man...ok thanks a billion.  See you in a bit...on Xchat!
[06:17] <D4rkly> whats Canonical commercial repositories ?
[06:20] <rich0rd> ahoi everyone, i am trying to install a network printer here, does anyone know if there are linux drivers for a sagem printer (combined fax, scanner, printer) after all - it's a sagem mf 3080
[06:21] <D4rkly> how can i add divx support ?
[06:22] <D4rkly> to kaffiene
[06:26] <rich0rd> D4rkly: i would recommend to use xine as a movie player, after all i dislike kaffeine
[06:27] <D4rkly> but kaffeine uses xine engine :)
[06:28] <rich0rd> :-D i like the ui of xine better , i should've said xine-ui
[06:29] <D4rkly> oh :)
[06:29] <D4rkly> i havnt seen it yet ill check out some screen shots
[06:30] <rich0rd> just try it 'sudo apt-get install xine-ui'
[06:31] <D4rkly> wow you can output video in ascii :)
[06:31] <D4rkly> matrix style lol
[06:31] <otaku-san> Heyo!
[06:33] <pierreth> how can i see my list of tasks?
[06:33] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: you there...I don't seem to have a thing to check whos on right now....
[06:35] <pierreth> ok, i found it
[06:36] <rich0rd> D4rkly: just fire up aaxine filename :-D
[06:41] <Ashex> has anyone else had a problem with Amaroks global keys being killed after using automatix bleeder to install compiz/xgl?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Ashex: havent tried it, but i'm not surprised
[06:43] <Ashex> meh
[06:44] <Ashex> I can reassign them, but i liked the defaults :(
[06:44] <matt___> Ashex: what do you mean by killed?
[06:44] <Ashex> they stopped working
[06:44] <Ashex> they're set in amarok, but they don't respong at all
[06:44] <Ashex> respond*
[06:44] <matt___> does the system totally freeze and only a reboot will get the system working again?
[06:45] <Phoenix92x> I FIGURED IT OUT!!!
[06:45] <maltaethiron> hey, who can tell me how to get sound for mpgs in kaffien
[06:45] <Ashex> matt___, nah, that's not it
[06:45] <Ashex> even when Compiz isn't running, it doesn't work
[06:45] <Phoenix92x> as soon as I closed my konqueror windows gam_server dropped to 0.5 % of the CPU and it hasn't gone about 2%
[06:48] <matt___> sorry then Ashex, I only have very limited knowledge of Amarok - but I know that mine totally freezes the system
[06:49] <Ashex> matt___, have tried running it from terminal and checking for error messages?
[06:49] <actinic> way to go!
[06:49] <Ashex> have you*
[06:49] <matt___> no, thats a good point
[06:49] <matt___> Ill try that now!
[06:49] <Ashex> i've had my share of problems with amarok, on one install, it randomly stopped playing songs on my ntfs partition
[06:50] <matt___> but its really good when it works!
[06:50] <Ashex> hehe, yeah
[06:50] <Ashex> What are you using for music now?
[06:52] <matt___> kaffine - but I think that its a sound issue, as that does the same ever so often
[06:52] <Ashex> ah
[06:52] <Ashex> i recommend you try out quodlibet if you can't solve it
[06:52] <nrdb> I am having a problem start up X, when I do a 'startx' I get the the error message "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom" can anyone help please?
[06:52] <Ashex> that's what I was using instead
[06:52] <Ashex> plug in your Wacom Tablet nrdb
[06:52] <matt___> i like the visualisations, nearly as good as winamps
[06:53] <Ashex> "nearly"
[06:53] <Ashex> :P
[06:53] <nrdb> Ashex: there has never been a tablet attached.
[06:53] <Ashex> off
[06:53] <Ashex> er
[06:53] <Ashex> odd
[06:53] <Ashex> dpkg-reconfigure xfree-xf86
[06:54] <Ashex> or something like that
[06:54] <Ashex> whichever X package it is your using
[06:55] <nrdb> Ashex: default kunbuntu install.
[06:55] <Hawkwind> nrdb: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0  Follow that how-to on my forum.  It will probably help you
[06:55] <Ashex> are you using a usb mouse/keyboard?
[06:55] <Hawkwind> nrdb: That's assuming you don't have a wacom tablet on your system
[06:57] <nrdb> Hawkwind: just a trackball
[06:58] <D4rkly> ive mounted my ntfs drive but dont have permission to open it in KDE, but i can cd to it in terminal using sudo
[06:58] <Ashex> D4rkly, you need to modify the permissions in fstab to allow a regular user to access it
[06:59] <Ashex> check man mount for details
[07:00] <D4rkly> i wanted to manually mount it though is there anyway i can give user permission via konsole
[07:00] <Ashex> yes, the fstab is basically the line you would execute
[07:00] <D4rkly> oh ok :)
[07:02] <D4rkly> whats noauto
[07:03] <Ashex> that's if you don't want the system to automatically mount it when it's attached
[07:03] <Ashex> so, you can add the line into fstab, and not worry about it being automatically mounted when the system starts
[07:04] <D4rkly> cool :)
[07:04] <Ashex> at least, that's how I understand it
[07:12] <daoud> Hi
[07:12] <daoud> Need help please, i cant find a Par2 repair for Kubuntuu
[07:13] <farous> daoud: ?
[07:13] <daoud> Please
[07:13] <daoud> Im looking for a Par2 repair for Kubuntu
[07:13] <farous> daoud: do not know what a par2
[07:14] <wolfmanz> its a repair program you use on files that come off the newsgroups
[07:14] <Ashex> daoud, apt-cache search par2
[07:14] <Ashex> :P
[07:14] <link_36p> Does anyone know of a good audio stream riipper?
[07:14] <farous> wolfmanz: ok thanx
[07:15] <ching> sound test
[07:15] <daoud> <Ashex: Kubuntu DD doesnt find it
[07:16] <Hawkwind> par2 - Parity Archive Volume Set, for checking and repair of files
[07:16] <Hawkwind> daoud: Sure it does
[07:16] <Hawkwind> !par2
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about par2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <Hawkwind> !info par2
[07:16] <ubotu> par2: Parity Archive Volume Set, for checking and repair of files. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.4-6 (dapper), package size 116 kB, installed size 368 kB
[07:16] <daoud> OH thanks
[07:19] <daoud> <Hawkwind: Great got it working!
[07:19] <daoud> thanks all
[07:20] <Ashex> woops
[07:20] <Ashex> I did not know that shortcut logged me out
[07:20] <D4rkly> i dont have enough permissions to read /mnt/2 how can i give user permission ?
[07:21] <Ashex> grr, damn scripts
[07:26] <jon_> hey i mounted my second hard drive but it only wants the root user to access its contents. how can i change that?
[07:32] <jon_> how do i change the permissions on a mounted hd?
[07:33] <farous> !ntfs
[07:33] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:34] <farous> !fuse
[07:34] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[07:34] <actinic> !kmenu
[07:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:34] <actinic> how do I make the kmenu semi-transparent?
[07:54] <jon_> farous thanks, big help
[07:54] <osiris> wow this box is faster than my old one
[07:55] <farous> jon_: :)
[07:56] <farous> isis was here looking for u
[07:59] <link_36p> Anyone here know how i could rip "mms://a351.v13817b.c13871.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/351/13871/v0001/sony.download.akamai.com/13871/wm.sony.global/Columbia/PeteYorn/092892_01_02_full_56.wma" with mplayer ive tried "mplayer -dumpstream" and "mplayer -dumpaudio" neither worked :(
[08:00] <jon_> now i shall cross my fingers and restart
[08:00] <jon_> and hope i dont blow a fuse
[08:00] <jon_> snark
[08:05] <otaku-san> actini: go to Run Program in your kmenu
[08:05] <otaku-san> actini: then type in kcontrol...when that comes up go to Style
[08:06] <igor> hello
[08:06] <igor> can anybody help me with my printer configuration
[08:06] <otaku-san> actinic: go to Run Program in your Kmenu
[08:07] <otaku-san> actinic: then type in kcontrol...when that comes up go to Style
[08:08] <otaku-san> actinic: Then in that go to Effects in the tabs near the top, and look down to Menu Transparency
[08:22] <jon_> man i did everything fuse told me to do, i can even see the files on a terminal, but only the root user has access to the files
[08:41] <jon_> how do i change permissions>?
[08:41] <jon_> i tried chmod 777 but the term said operation not supported?
[08:48] <Dimon08> jon_ use sudo chmod 777
[08:50] <Ashex> for some reason, k3b doesn't support mp3's....
[08:51] <fritsch> Ashex: install libk3b2-mp3
[08:51] <Ashex> heh, yeah, just found that :p
[08:51] <fritsch> Ashex: !RestrictedFormats
[08:51] <Ashex> i just find it as an oddity
[08:52] <Ashex> stupid russians with their mp3 copyright stuff
[08:52] <farous> that is realy funny they have dll and exe files to run wine under windows:)
[08:52] <insanekane> Ashex: ? :)
[08:52] <fritsch> Ashex: mp3 is copyrighted from the Fraunhofer Institut ...
[08:52] <fritsch> farous: wine is NOT installed by default in ubuntu
[08:53] <Ashex> Yeah, Germany
[08:53] <Ashex> >_>
[08:53] <fritsch> Ashex: :-)
[08:53] <farous> fritsch: i know i am at winehq they ported it to window :)
[08:53] <Ashex> for some reason i always mix the two up
[08:53] <fritsch> Ashex: ...
[08:54] <Ashex> What?!
[08:55] <fritsch> Ashex: http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/2000s/2004world1600.jpg
[08:55] <Ashex> hush
[08:55] <Ashex> :P
[09:00] <jon_> dimon08 i tried sudo chmod 777
[09:01] <jon_> it says operation not supported
[09:01] <farous> what type of file you are chomod for
[09:01] <jon_> its a hard drive
[09:01] <jon_> ntfs
[09:02] <jon_> i tried fuse too
[09:02] <jon_> i thought it worked but it didnt
[09:02] <jon_> i can view the contents in a terminal, i just cant access anything
[09:02] <farous> you cn not do that to window file sys either fat or ntfs
[09:02] <farous> jon_: try mounting it as user
[09:02] <farous> let me give you the command
[09:02] <jon_> as user?
[09:02] <jon_> ok
[09:03] <jon_> i cant remember my root account
[09:03] <farous> jon_: but ntfs is risky you might loose all your data
[09:03] <jon_> i dont remember setting one up
[09:03] <jon_> you think so
[09:03] <farous> jon_: just type sudo will give you root priv
[09:03] <jon_> i tried that
[09:03] <farous> so lets say you want to copy
[09:03] <farous> type sudo cp <filename> <to filename>
[09:04] <jon_> sudo chmod 777 /mnt/ntfs tells me operation not supported
[09:04] <jon_> i know how to use sudo, but in this case its not working for some reason
[09:05] <farous> jon_: i think you can not chmod an ntfs file nor even give it ownership
[09:06] <jon_> then how do i access it?
[09:06] <_rince_> mrgn
[09:06] <jon_> linux says it supports ntfs
[09:06] <farous> jon_: reading from
[09:06] <farous> writing to ntfs is still riscy
[09:07] <jon_> thats cool i just want to be able to play my music
[09:07] <farous> jon_: i will be busy config wine for a while take care
[09:07] <jon_> thnx
[09:07] <_rince_> and what does not work?
[09:07] <farous> jon_: use totem go to the folder and just play it
[09:10] <jon_> theres nothing to access...
[09:10] <jon_> its denied
[09:10] <_rince_> so 'ls' works, but you can't read any files?
[09:11] <jon_> right
[09:11] <jon_> i cant use the GUI to open the hd
[09:11] <jon_> but i can ls in a term
[09:11] <_rince_> what's the exact output of 'ls -la somefile'?
[09:12] <jon_> total 808424
[09:12] <jon_> -rw------- 2 root root  48519332 2006-03-01 23:46 alembic TX.wav
[09:12] <jon_> etc
[09:13] <_rince_> you mounted this ntfs with the wrong parameters
[09:13] <jon_> what should the parameters be?
[09:13] <jon_> and is this something to edit in fstab?
[09:14] <_rince_> yep
[09:14] <jon_> how do i find out what to edit
[09:14] <_rince_> have a look at the manual, especially umask, gid and uid
[09:14] <jon_> dammit
[09:14] <jon_> why does windows have to be so easy
[09:14] <_rince_> this determines as which user and group the volume is mounted
[09:14] <jon_> i set the GID at 1001
[09:14] <_rince_> and umask says which permissions are given to them
[09:14] <jon_> which is what fuse said to do
[09:15] <jon_> umask is on 0
[09:15] <jon_> which i thought meant all access
[09:16] <_rince_> nope, umask sets the default permissions, usually for newly created files, but in this case for the whole volume
[09:16] <jon_> when i man umask
[09:16] <jon_> it says 0022
[09:16] <_rince_> and keep in mind, that those permissions are virtual in some way, because ntfs does not support permissions
[09:16] <jon_> right
[09:16] <_rince_> you're looking at the wrong manual :)
[09:16] <jon_> crap
[09:17] <jon_> can you just tell me what the parameters should be? =)
[09:18] <_rince_> depends on your system ;)
[09:18] <_rince_> /dev/sda1       /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:18] <_rince_> works for me
[09:19] <jon_> how do i pull up the man pages again?
[09:19] <_rince_> but only because i'm in the group 'plugdev' which is gid 46
[09:19] <_rince_> try 'man mount'
[09:19] <jon_> im pretty sure my group id is 1001
[09:20] <_rince_> sounds reasonable for the first user on a kubuntu system
[09:20] <Dimon08> jon_, in lubuntu u may go to the System Settings
[09:20] <Dimon08> jon_, and there is an option for partitions, I don't remeber it's name
[09:20] <_rince_> then try something like 'mount -t ntfs /dev/windows-foo /some/mountpoint -ogid=1001'
[09:20] <Dimon08> then u enter Administrator mode
[09:21] <Dimon08> and change ya ntfs partition owner to your user instead of root
[09:21] <Dimon08> so u don't need to edit fstab manually
[09:21] <jon_> but im not on root
[09:21] <jon_> user
[09:22] <Dimon08> when u will click Administrator mode it will ask u for the password
[09:22] <jon_> i cant find it
[09:22] <Dimon08> go to the system settings first
[09:22] <Dimon08> from K menu!
[09:23] <jon_> under system/administration?
[09:23] <jon_> im on dapper
[09:23] <test> I want to create a automated Installed, that installs all the packages that I have right now... like the ubuntu installer, but then only with the packages that I have...
[09:23] <Dimon08> on Kubuntu dapper?
[09:23] <jon_> hm
[09:23] <jon_> i think its ubuntu
[09:24] <jon_> i had ubuntu breezy and i distro upgraded
[09:24] <Dimon08> oh:)
[09:24] <jon_> i figured i still had ubuntu
[09:24] <Dimon08> then I don't know where it is in GNOME
[09:24] <Dimon08> i like KDE
[09:24] <jon_> yea i hear its good
[09:24] <jon_> maybe i should swap
[09:24] <Dimon08> and maybe then u need to go to channel #ubuntu
[09:24] <jon_> good idea
[09:25] <jon_> how do i do that
[09:25] <Dimon08> tipe "/join #ubuntu"
[09:25] <Dimon08> *type
[09:25] <jon_> thanks =)
[09:26] <Dimon08> np:)
[09:26] <test> I want to create a automated Installed, that installs all the packages that I have right now... like the ubuntu installer, but then only with the packages that I have...
[09:35] <kdotsky> i've tried everythin, i can't get my usb wirelesss working in dapper, i give up
[09:36] <kdotsky> i used breezy for a while and loved it, but i can't continue
[09:36] <jon_> not much help over there =\
[09:36] <kdotsky> nope
[09:37] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: i have no idea about usb wireless sorry
[09:37] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: all i can suggest is google :/
[09:37] <kdotsky> yeah i know, i'm just being frustrated out loud
[09:37] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: or ask on a mailing list or something.  It's annoying that such simple things are still hard to do
[09:37] <kdotsky> i've done everything that google has told me :)
[09:37] <JohnFlux> :-)
[09:38] <kdotsky> i read a ubuntuforums thread with other ppl complaining how dapper is actually worse with wireless support
[09:38] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: forward 2 steps, backwards 1 step ;)
[09:38] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: and I speak as a kde coder myself
[09:38] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: but hopefully we'll get there... eventually ... ;-)
[09:38] <kdotsky> yeah i'm just really dissappointed
[09:39] <kdotsky> cuz i've been using linux exclusively for a couple years
[09:39] <kdotsky> and proud of it
[09:39] <kdotsky> and never was i this completely stuck
[09:39] <kdotsky> and it just seems like it's over now
[09:39] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: do you see the interface in ifconfig?
[09:39] <kdotsky> yeah, and iwconfig
[09:40] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: and it just doesn't work?
[09:40] <kdotsky> i can't scan for networks, and i can't change the essid
[09:40] <JohnFlux> ah, something wrong with the kernel module
[09:40] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: did you try an older kernel?
[09:41] <kdotsky> well it's a fresh install of dapper... no update or anything
[09:41] <kdotsky> so that would mean what, using breezy?
[09:41] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: nah nothing so drastic
[09:42] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: do:  uname -a
[09:42] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: and paste the result here please
[09:42] <JohnFlux> or copy
[09:42] <JohnFlux> just the kernel part i'm interested in
[09:42] <JohnFlux> 2.6.15-23-amd64-generic   is mine
[09:42] <JohnFlux> yours probably isn't amd64
[09:42] <kdotsky> 2.6.15-23-386
[09:43] <JohnFlux> do:  apt-cache search kernel | grep image
[09:43] <fritsch> kdotsky: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:44] <kdotsky> fritsch: internet is the problem here
[09:44] <JohnFlux> fritsch: isn't that the most recent one?
[09:44] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: doh right right ;)
[09:44] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: you have some cdrom or something though?
[09:44] <fritsch> kdotsky: no -26-386 is the newest
[09:44] <fritsch> JohnFlux: ah okay just got it ...
[09:44] <jon_> Dimon08 - got it to work =)
[09:44] <fritsch> JohnFlux: did he mentian the chipset of his usb wireless?
[09:44] <kdotsky> if you guys really believe an update would help i could get a wheelbarrow and move my computer to a jack
[09:45] <fritsch> kdotsky: no just wait
[09:45] <kdotsky> yes i installed dapper from cdrom
[09:45] <fritsch> kdotsky: please open a terminal
[09:45] <JohnFlux> kdotsky: don't think it will
[09:45] <fritsch> kdotsky: plug out your usb wireless
[09:45] <fritsch> kdotsky: plug it in again
[09:45] <fritsch> kdotsky: run "dmesg" an see what it says
[09:46] <kdotsky> uname -a gives 2.6.15-23-386
[09:46] <JohnFlux> fritsch: you want the chipset
[09:47] <fritsch> JohnFlux: I want to know what the kernel says
[09:47] <kdotsky> ok i think plugging it back in froze me
[09:47] <kdotsky> lol
[09:47] <fritsch> kdotsky: really? it froze your machine
[09:47] <kdotsky> well i'll give it a sec
[09:47] <fritsch> kdotsky: what "wireless" is it? name, etc.
[09:47] <kdotsky> i ain't making it up tho
[09:48] <kdotsky> negear wg111v2
[09:48] <kdotsky> usb
[09:48] <kdotsky> i done all the googles
[09:48] <fritsch> kdotsky: mmmh you have the windows drivers in place?
[09:48] <kdotsky> yes
[09:48] <kdotsky> ndiswrapper
[09:48] <fritsch> yes
[09:48] <kdotsky> had native drives, tried that
[09:48] <fritsch> ndiswrapper finds it?
[09:49] <kdotsky> blacklisted the native drives following a guide, used ndiswrapper
[09:49] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay? but nothing worked?
[09:49] <fritsch> kdotsky: why the the "original" (blacklisted) drivers not work?
[09:50] <kdotsky> i don't know why, but i saw advice that they were experimental and to use ndiswrapper, and most the threads on ubuntuforums for this device use ndiswrapper too
[09:50] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay
[09:50] <fritsch> kdotsky: did it freeze?
[09:50] <kdotsky> i believe it was actually a similar problem, it was detected and everything but it just wouldn't work
[09:50] <kdotsky> (with the native drives)
[09:51] <kdotsky> yes it's done frozen solid
[09:51] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay, please reset, reboot
[09:51] <kdotsky> like windows style
[09:51] <kdotsky> lol
[09:51] <fritsch> kdotsky: sorry :-) it was the kernel *G*
[09:51] <fritsch> kdotsky: reboot, but do not plugin you card
[09:51] <fritsch> kdotsky: lets do this later
[09:52] <kdotsky> fritsch: other ppl have gotten this device to work, might it have something to do with my hardware?
[09:52] <nickenyfiken> what is wrong if login screen resolution is different then the on when im logged in?
[09:52] <kdotsky> fritsch: ok
[09:53] <fritsch> kdotsky: no just wait
[09:53] <fritsch> nickenyfiken: perhaps you messed up with krandrtray
[09:53] <kdotsky> fritsch: i'm rebooted
[09:53] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay, pug in the usb wireless
[09:54] <fritsch> kdotsky: and tell me, what "dmesg" says
[09:54] <nickenyfiken> fritsch: i don't even know what krandrtray is
[09:54] <kdotsky> wlan0: vendor: 'Realtek ....'
[09:54] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay
[09:55] <kdotsky> wlan0: ndiswrapper ethernet device <mac> using driver ....
[09:55] <fritsch> kdotsky: this is okay
[09:55] <kdotsky> wlan0: encryption modes supported: ...
[09:55] <kdotsky> ok
[09:55] <fritsch> kdotsky: now do: ifconfig
[09:55] <fritsch> kdotsky: which devices do you see?
[09:55] <kdotsky> wlan0 is there
[09:55] <fritsch> kdotsky: cool ;-)
[09:55] <fritsch> kdotsky: now do: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[09:55] <kdotsky> no scan results
[09:55] <kdotsky> i'm predicting
[09:56] <kdotsky> yup
[09:56] <fritsch> kdotsky: but there has te be scan results?
[09:56] <kdotsky> exact words: "wlan0     No scan results"
[09:56] <fritsch> kdotsky: wireless is near you? i think
[09:56] <kdotsky> i'm talking through it right now
[09:56] <fritsch> kdotsky: cool :-)
[09:56] <fritsch> kdotsky: you do not hide the ESSID, or?
[09:57] <kdotsky> nope, no security, broadcast (meaning everyone can see it?)
[09:57] <fritsch> kdotsky: try: sudo iwconfig wlan0 "ESSID" (where ESSID, is your essid)
[09:57] <elias_> My ROOT is mounted read-only but mount says it is (rw)?
[09:57] <kdotsky> the essid won't change, i've tried it
[09:57] <elias_> XFS says unknown mount option acl in dmsg and now is read-only. But this is my ROOT fs. How to get it back rw?
[09:57] <eeos> does anyone know about a graphical pppe client for kde?
[09:58] <fritsch> kdotsky: okay! sudo ifconfig wlan0 down && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "YOURS"
[09:58] <kdotsky> sry, not trying to be rude
[09:58] <farous> kdotsky: it might be the driver had similar prob like yours tried 11 drivers till got the one that worked did you look at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[09:59] <fritsch> kdotsky: you also checked this before, i think
[09:59] <fritsch> kdotsky: sorry, just wanted to start "from the beginning"
[09:59] <kdotsky> fritsch: completely understand
[10:00] <kdotsky> fritsch: did that command, essid is still "off/any"
[10:00] <fritsch> kdotsky: could you at last give me "the whole Realtek ...." from dmesg
[10:00] <Ashex> night
[10:00] <fritsch> kdotsky: so i can hel googling?
[10:00] <kdotsky> farous: wlan0: vendor: 'Realtek RTL8187 Wireless Lan USB NIC"
[10:00] <kdotsky> er, fritsche:
[10:01] <kdotsky> i get back to farous
[10:01] <kdotsky> :)
[10:01] <farous> :)
[10:01] <kdotsky> slightly intoxicated to, FWIW
[10:01] <kdotsky> hehe
[10:02] <kdotsky> farous: so i've seen that page, there's a few different entries for my device
[10:02] <fritsch> kdotsky: last idea: compile ndiswrapper from source and try again
[10:03] <farous> i had a broadcom so had too many entries for mine :)
[10:03] <kdotsky> so if i try >= 11 it works?
[10:03] <farous> the window drive never worked that came with my laptop
[10:03] <kdotsky> hehe
[10:03] <fritsch> kdotsky: mmmh, i read sth.
[10:03] <farous> kdotsky: i guess i was lucky i got it after 11 haha
[10:03] <fritsch> kdotsky: you said its a netgear card?
[10:03] <kdotsky> sth?
[10:03] <kdotsky> yes
[10:04] <fritsch> kdotsky: with realtek chip
[10:04] <fritsch> kdotsky: please try the original realtek driver
[10:04] <fritsch> kdotsky: http://www.suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=19084
[10:05] <fritsch> me goes -> university :-) cz
[10:05] <fritsch> cu
[10:05] <kdotsky> fritsch: leaving?
[10:06] <fritsch> kdotsky: yes - please try the original Realtek driver mentioned above
[10:06] <fritsch> kdotsky: this should work (this guy uses a very old suse from 2005)
[10:06] <kdotsky> fritsch: thanks for the help, i'll give it a shot tomorrow
[10:07] <fritsch> kdotsky: no problem @all (happy to help)
[10:13] <link_36p> Stupid question, but is there a cammand to delete a directory and all its contents?
[10:13] <stray77> rm - rf <directory>
[10:13] <farous> link_36p: sure but why not use the gui konq
[10:13] <stray77> rm -rf
[10:14] <link_36p> farmous: I clocked "move to trash" and it replied to me "Could not rename file /home/patrick/bin/MPlayer-1.0pre8."
[10:15] <chakie_work> is mplayer still at "pre 1.0"? it's been so for a few centuries now
[10:15] <link_36p> 1.0pre8
[10:16] <farous> link_36p: and you can not just empty the trash
[10:16] <link_36p> ah
[10:16] <farous> realplay annon it will release a free mplayer but who know when
[10:25] <alpha232> Mornin... Anyone here notice that Kubuntu's kernel is somewhat different than the Stock Ubuntu, not that it matters too much but i'm running it under vmware and the tools don't like the kernel lol
[10:25] <kdotsky> so there's no kubuntu channel just for my wireless usb stick
[10:25] <alpha232> kdotsky: you're trying to network using a USB wifi? eww
[10:26] <kdotsky> alpha232: worse than eww, it's a complete show stopper
[10:26] <alpha232> why? and what kind of usb adaptor is it, and what have you tried?
[10:27] <alpha232> wifi for me was a showstopper then i just spent $10 on ebay and got a sweet pcmcia card
[10:27] <kdotsky> alpha232: i've tried it all
[10:27] <kdotsky> alpha232: it's for a desktop
[10:27] <kdotsky> alpha232: maybe i should buy a pci card
[10:27] <alpha232> why not just wire it in
[10:28] <alpha232> unless you're gonna be movin stuff around... its better to just hardwire it
[10:28] <kdotsky> alpha232: i was told that' even harder
[10:28] <kdotsky> alpha232: jk
[10:28] <alpha232> well what kind of usb wifi thing is it
[10:28] <alpha232> who makes it
[10:29] <kdotsky> netgear wg111 v2
[10:29] <alpha232> ok and what does it show up as when you do  lsusb?
[10:29] <stray77> kdotsky, theres lots of support for netgear wireless usb
[10:29] <kdotsky> my 4 roomates prolly won't appreciate a 50 foot ethernet cable going from upstairs to downstairs
[10:29] <stray77> drill
[10:30] <alpha232> why not get a wireless bridge?
[10:30] <kdotsky> i've pretty much tried it all, google, ubuntu forums, etc
[10:30] <alpha232> gives you an ethernet port
[10:30] <kdotsky> interesting, i've never heard of that
[10:31] <tk> kdotsky: so use a longer one... people should always appreciate more of something more ;)
[10:31] <alpha232> did you read this one, bahh damnit i can't paste vmware tools isn't installed yet
[10:31] <kdotsky> tk: how long is recommended
[10:31] <stray77> kdotsky, is your wifi usb stick listed here? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported#head-603c9481d6c6288b6b674cc50132d21f6d539c53
[10:31] <kdotsky> prolly
[10:31] <alpha232> kdotsky: have you read, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthreat.php?t=51993
[10:31] <Mattchewie> Howdy folks!
[10:31] <alpha232> er
[10:32] <alpha232> kdotsky: have you read, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51993
[10:32] <tk> hehe, get you a nice 1000ft or so... gives you plenty of mobility and still provides network access ;)
[10:32] <kdotsky> tk: i live the idea of being able to drive to the gas station with my desktop, where do i get one?
[10:32] <stray77> wg111-v1 works, i dont see v2 tho
[10:33] <tk> kdotsky: lol, where the hell you live that theres a gas station that close?
[10:33] <alpha232> vmware is fun heh
[10:33] <kdotsky> alpha232: that link takes me to forum home
[10:33] <kdotsky> tk: i have no concept of 1000 ft
[10:33] <fek_> moin
[10:33] <tk> kdotsky: lil longer than a football field?
[10:33] <alpha232> kdotsky: sorry i had to type it inlol, no cut/paste here...  search it for   ubuntu and your model number, it should find you a fix
[10:34] <stray77> 3 football fields
[10:34] <stray77> approx
[10:34] <kdotsky> 3 football fields not that far for a gas station right?
[10:34] <Mattchewie> Question: I have a Nvidia FX5200 in a crappy little Acer Aspire SA80 and I followed the binary instructions for installing nvidia-glx but when I restart x, I don't see a logo. Is there a way I can "verify" that everything is working other than if I see the logo or not?
[10:34] <tk> stray77: woops yah, math aint my strong point after work :P
[10:34] <kdotsky> alpha232: i've prolly searched it, found it, and tried it
[10:35] <stray77> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/NetgearWG111
[10:35] <stray77> try that page
[10:36] <kdotsky> stray77: done it
[10:36] <alpha232> kdotsky: well do it again, it does work
[10:36] <alpha232> kdotsky: follow the directions, make sure you have the right drivers
[10:36] <kdotsky> i dunno how many more times i can do it
[10:36] <tk> anyone here using 64bit with the 32bit FF for flash?
[10:37] <kdotsky> tk: use 256bit it works out of the box
[10:37] <alpha232> After upgrading to Dapper Drake (6.06), I fould significant problems trying to get the WG111 working. Here are the instructions that I fould worked on a Compaq Deskpro EN desktop and IBM Netvista. This section describes a successful setup procedure for the Netgear WG111 (version 2) -- a USB-based wireless dongle -- in Ubuntu 6.06
[10:37] <alpha232> kdotsky: maybe start reading there if you're running 606
[10:38] <tk> kdotsky: when processors make it up to 256bit I might consider that :P
[10:38] <roman> Launch the Terminal Application/Window and navigate to the /usr/share/fglrx folder
[10:38] <roman> how do you do this
[10:38] <roman> navigate to
[10:38] <tk> roman: run konsole, then type cd /usr/share/fglrx
[10:38] <roman> ok
[10:39] <kdotsky> alpha232: don't take offense, but seriously, i've tried everything... i've gotten past those instructions and the problem is after that... i can't do an iwlist scan and i cant change my essid using iwconfig
[10:40] <tk> alpha232: wdm?
[10:40] <stray77> it doesnt look supported to me, only v1
[10:40] <kdotsky> someone in #ubuntu that wrote a guide on ubuntuforums confirmed that everything should be working correctly
[10:40] <kdotsky> (a guide on getting this particular dongle to work)
[10:40] <alpha232> tk: windows manager, OW, KDE, et al
[10:40] <deb> Is there a way to make the user-list background transparent in KDM ?
[10:40] <kdotsky> it's basically goodbye to ubuntu for me
[10:41] <alpha232> kdotsky: oh well... if you're not willing to work for it, may you live with gates happily
[10:41] <tk> kdotsky: ahhh, I figured that, b ut I didnt think you would actually have meant windows desktop manager as that was all I could think of for the "D"
[10:41] <tk> err
[10:41] <tk> alpha rather
[10:41] <tk> my by
[10:41] <link_36p> Anyone know why this isnt working? http://pastebin.ca/135908
[10:41] <tk> ugh, BAD
[10:41] <kdotsky> alpha232: i've spent the past 2 days working on it
[10:42] <alpha232> lol
[10:42] <kdotsky> alpha232: and i've used linux the past 2 years so i'm not *completely* ignorant
[10:42] <alpha232> kdotsky: never said you were ;)  rule 1 with ndiswrapper, make sure you have the right driver
[10:42] <tk> kdotsky: if you arent against spending some money, you can go the wfi bridge route that was suggested earlier.... as iwas said, it takes a wifi signal and provides a remote hardwire link to the network.
[10:43] <kdotsky> alpha232: i might try a few more drivers
[10:43] <kdotsky> alpha232: though i dont see why the one that came with the cd shouldn't work (as it did for other ppl)
[10:43] <alpha232> kdotsky: don't try a few more, try the right one, goto netgear and download it..
[10:43] <alpha232> kdotsky: the cd may have multiple drivers on it, are you sure you grabbed the right one
[10:43] <kdotsky> comon, i know the model number
[10:44] <alpha232> kdotsky: manufacturers usually put all the drivers for a series of products on it... windows knows how to figure out which is which
[10:44] <stray77> wg111v1 works with a tivo which is linux and comes with linux drivers on the cd from netgear, v2 doesnt work with tivo and doesnt come with drivers on cd.
[10:44] <alpha232> kdotsky: downloaded drivers are usually more specific because they can be done one-off without the expense of a CD production run
[10:45] <kdotsky> tk: i did not get your joke at all earlier, but i will definitely look into the bridge suggestion
[10:45] <alpha232> kdotsky:  were you using the NDIS3, NDIS4 or NDIS5 drivers?
[10:46] <kdotsky> alpha232: maybe we're getting somewhere, cuz your question is gibberish to me
[10:46] <alpha232> then you didn't follow the guide listed here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/NetgearWG111
[10:47] <kdotsky> lol, trickery!
[10:47] <stray77> he told me he did all that
[10:47] <alpha232> make sure to move down to the portion titled, WG111 HowTo (Part 2: DAPPER DRAKE)
[10:47] <kdotsky> ok hold on everyone
[10:47] <kdotsky> i know what's going on now
[10:47] <tk> kdotsky: s'ok was just the old "turn the radio down" so you turn it up idealogy :P
[10:47] <stray77> This page describes the setup procedure for the Netgear WG111 (version 1)
[10:48] <stray77> hes got version 2
[10:48] <stray77> they aint the same at all
[10:48] <kdotsky> yes i know
[10:48] <kdotsky> one sec plz
[10:48] <alpha232> Stray: read the fscking thing his section describes a successful setup procedure for the Netgear WG111 (version 2) -- a USB-based wireless dongle -- in Ubuntu 6.06.
[10:48] <stray77> my bad
[10:48] <kdotsky> okay for that particular guide, i have no idea where this ndis5 driver is located
[10:48] <alpha232> or as we would say on /.  rtfoa|p
[10:49] <alpha232> kdotsky: on the install cd with the drivers on it, the pretty round silver shiny thingy
[10:49] <kdotsky> i threw that out immediately
[10:49] <kdotsky> fine hold on
[10:50] <noaXess> somebody uses the smartmontools?
[10:51] <kdotsky> right so that's one place i looked for this ndis directory and couldn't find it, but i'll look again right now
[10:51] <eeos> how do you recompile a packae on kubuntu?
[10:52] <alpha232> kdotsky: put the cd in the drive, and mount it (if you don't have automounting on)
[10:52] <alpha232> kdotsky: then change directory to /cdrom
[10:52] <kdotsky> alpha i can do this stuff (thx)
[10:52] <alpha232> kdotsky: and type in  "find . | grep -i ndis5"  and see what it says
[10:53] <kdotsky> ah i see where we're going
[10:53] <kdotsky> nothing
[10:53] <stray77> http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/WG111U.asp
[10:54] <stray77> ndis5 is in both xp and 98 driver packs
[10:54] <kdotsky> i got the drivers from the driver/WINXP dir
[10:55] <alpha232> kdotsky: ok and what files are in there?
[10:55] <kdotsky> inf cab and sys?
[10:55] <eeos>  how do you compile a packages on kubuntu?
[10:55] <eeos> using sources from kubuntu repository of course
[10:56] <anssi_> java....why wont it work?
[10:56] <anssi_> !java
[10:56] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[10:56] <kdotsky> net111v2.cat  net111v2.inf  TRANS.TBL  wg111v2.sys
[10:56] <farous> eeos: apt-build package name
[10:57] <alpha232> ok... so you need the .inf and the .sys
[10:57] <kdotsky> right
[10:57] <eeos> farous can you pass compilation options?
[10:57] <farous> eeos: not sure look at the apt man give me a min will give you the link
[10:57] <stray77> what about the ar5523.bin
[10:57] <alpha232> kdotsky:  so use ndiswrapper to install the driver...
[10:58] <alpha232> sudo ndiswrapper -i <blah>.inf
[10:58] <kdotsky> done that
[10:58] <alpha232> kdotsky: umm Did you do it just now, or are you saying you've done it in the past?
[10:58] <kdotsky> in the past
[10:58] <alpha232> i give up
[10:58] <alpha232> go back to windows
[10:59] <alpha232> feed yourself for a day
[10:59] <kdotsky> because i'm being an ass?
[10:59] <alpha232> and may you never need to learn how to fish
[10:59] <alpha232> ass, no, not willing to help yourself, yes
[11:00] <stray77> give a man a fish, he eats for the night, teach a man to fish and he eats every night.
[11:00] <farous> eeos: can not find it now you can google apt-build or try the man pages
[11:00] <eeos> farous thanks
[11:00] <alpha232> one thing about ubuntu... it is 99.993% reproduceable...
[11:00] <farous> eeos: sorry am working on something now :)
[11:00] <eeos> farous thanks in any case, you gave me the right hint can use the man pages now
[11:00] <alpha232> if someone does it, then replicates it and documents it... it will work for everyone in the same boat... almost all the time.
[11:00] <farous> :)
[11:01] <alpha232> you're just not willing to duplicate somthing you think you already did
[11:01] <kdotsky> alpha232: i agree
[11:02] <kdotsky> i'm just frustrated right now, i could come in here every day and have someone google the answer for me and have me go through it from the beginning
[11:03] <alpha232> kdotsky: well i can't help you any more than you're willing to help yourself, however look at the source for the information...help.ubuntu.com
[11:05] <alpha232> kdotsky: oh and it was stray77 who suggested that webpage and you even made him second guess himself...
[11:05] <kdotsky> alpha232: everything appears as if it should work, the diagnostic commands as well as iwconfig and ifconfig, if it were a driver prob we'd probably get to the same end
[11:05] <stray77> ;)
[11:05] <fritsch> kdotsky: wireless working?
[11:06] <alpha232> kdotsky: when it clearly covers your situation... i'm lible to a linus stance now... its yours, run with it until you fall flat on your face and break it.
[11:06] <kdotsky> alpha232: about the guide?  yes i went through it and never foudn the NDIS5 directory they were talking about
[11:06] <stray77> then you couldnt go through it
[11:06] <stray77> (now that i read the whole page)
[11:06] <kdotsky> stray77: it would be impossible if my CD doesn't say what they said it has
[11:07] <stray77> website of manufacturer
[11:07] <stray77> drivers
[11:07] <stray77> download
[11:07] <alpha232> if i find it there before you, you aughta be shot
[11:07] <fritsch> kdotsky: you downloaded the realtek drivers, i was pointing you one hour ago?
[11:07] <kdotsky> lol
[11:07] <stray77> i already did
[11:07] <alpha232> cause that is the first place you shoulda looked
[11:07] <stray77> ndis5 is in both driver packages at
[11:08] <stray77> http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/WG111U.asp
[11:08] <alpha232> stray77: ooh you're fast
[11:08] <bashee> i have a problem which occurs about once a day suddenly (cannot reproduce): the mouse pointer gets _very_ jerky and then stays that way. even restarting x/kdm does not help. only rebooting helps. does someone now what for a service it is i have to restart or knows another help?
[11:08] <stray77> batteries in mouse?
[11:09] <bashee> no. cable mouse. logitech.
[11:09] <bashee> also occurs with gnome.
[11:09] <alpha232> got it!
[11:10] <alpha232> bashee: is this a fresh install?
[11:10] <bashee> its an ubuntu with installed kde and kubuntu packages :). its about two weeks old
[11:11] <kdotsky> stray77: is that same version? i'm wg111 and it's wg111u
[11:11] <alpha232> stray77: hmm looks like the XP driver is a ndis3 driver
[11:11] <bashee> in fact i changed to kde because of that. but after one week it now also happens in kde ;(
[11:11] <alpha232> stray77: nevermind, i found it ;)
[11:11] <link_36p> Anyone here got experience with mencoder?
[11:12] <alpha232> rtl8187 whoot
[11:12] <stray77> u=usb in this case
[11:12] <kdotsky> oh
[11:13] <kdotsky> stray77: i see win98/me and "initial driver"
[11:16] <stray77> both have a ndis5 folder containing the files you need
[11:16] <kdotsky> k
[11:17] <stray77> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i20857
[11:19] <TheHighChild> any wireless users out there?
[11:19] <alpha232> TheHighChild: ummmm yeah
[11:20] <TheHighChild> I know my wireless works, just not sure what the best method to connect is, I can't seem to at the moment
[11:20] <roman> yeah am ati vga card is working fine with the new ati driver
[11:20] <alpha232> TheHighChild: how do you mean, best method?
[11:20] <roman> but openGL is not working
[11:20] <TheHighChild> well, I would like to use the command line
[11:21] <TheHighChild> just not sure how to connect to my wireless
[11:21] <roman> and USBcardreader is also not working
[11:21] <stray77> thehighchild, heres an example using WEP
[11:21] <stray77> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid ACCESS_POINT_NAME mode managed key TEXT_WEP_KEY restricted
[11:22] <alpha232> stray77: speed daemon
[11:22] <stray77> c/p from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/NetgearWG111
[11:22] <stray77> hehehe
[11:22] <roman> is the no driver for my cardreader
[11:23] <roman> it's based on a realtek chipset
[11:23] <alpha232> stray77: ahh i moved off of that and on to my own problem, getting iptables -j TARPIT to work
[11:24] <alpha232> can't seem to find a single useful how-to
[11:24] <stray77> roman, what product is it?
[11:24] <roman> cardreader
[11:24] <roman> usb
[11:25] <roman> when i connect it nothing happens
[11:25] <stray77> brand name model no.?
[11:26] <stray77> or specific realtek chipset
[11:26] <roman> chipset = realtek RTS5101-01E
[11:27] <neoncode> How do I connect to an NFS share?
[11:28] <alpha232> buggerall
[11:30] <GameX> how do i can see connected usb hardware
[11:30] <aliasfred> GameX: lsusb ?
[11:31] <GameX> ok
[11:32] <GameX> my cardreader is not regonized
[11:32] <GameX> my logitech mouse is regonized
[11:32] <GameX> us 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:32] <GameX> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c03d Logitech, Inc.
[11:32] <GameX> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:32] <GameX> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:32] <GameX> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[11:33] <GameX> i found the problem
[11:34] <GameX> linux only regonized my 4 usb ports and not the 2 other usb ports
[11:34] <GameX> i connect my usb cardreader to an another usb port and its working
[11:34] <stray77> yay
[11:35] <stray77> i couldnt find anythin on installing one
[11:35] <GameX> but the 2 other usb ports are working in winXP fine
[11:35] <michael__> anyone here have any luck burning mp3 to audio w/o converting separately first?
[11:35] <GameX> wy not in linux
[11:35] <fritsch> GameX: interrupt problem perhaps
[11:36] <fritsch> GameX: try booting with routeirq=pci
[11:36] <GameX> i have got 6 usb ports
[11:36] <GameX> but the 4 on the back of my computer are only working
[11:36] <tucoz> Hi, I am having problems with adept and synaptic. Adept stopped responding a few days ago, so I killed all the adept processes to update with apt-get. However, both synaptic and adept refuses to start now.
[11:38] <alpha232> kdotsky has been idle for 21 minutes and 19 seconds... hmm i wonder
[11:38] <alpha232> damn 5:37am and i still don't have tarpit bugger... time to look into rebuilding a kernel or two
[11:41] <kdotsky> what might he be up to
[11:47] <GameX> has anyone dslinux on hid nintendo ds
[11:56] <GameX> has someone an nintendo ds
[11:56] <GameX> with linux
[11:56] <alpha_> k time to destroy my kubuntu install
[12:06] <sdf> stray77: when installing the driver, ndiswrapper -l says driver present
[12:07] <kdotsky`> but no mention of hardware
[12:07] <kdotsky`> i installed wg111u.inf from the ndis5 dir
[12:08] <Kaleo> Riddell: bug 55973 would love some attention :)
[12:09] <Riddell> Kaleo: added to my TODO
[12:10] <Kaleo> thanks :)
[12:13] <kdotsky`> stray77: and that page u linked has no mention of it being v2?  this page seems more relavant: http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/D102843.asp but it does not have ndis5 directory, it is similar to the directories on the cd the came with it
[12:14] <Knightlust> question: how do you start the network connection in konsole? what command do i need to type in/
[12:14] <Knightlust> thanks in advance
[12:14] <fritsch> Knightlust: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:15] <fritsch> Knightlust: but should already be done when your computer is starting up
[12:15] <Knightlust> i accidentally unplugged my router. i had to reboot to restart my connection
[12:15] <Knightlust> fritsch, thank you for your reply
[12:15] <Knightlust> will try it out
[12:21] <kdotsky`> fritsch: i tried that realtek driver, it seemed to install ok but i'm ending up where i was before
[12:24] <jujimufu> when I do "apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev" I get this error : http://pastebin.ca/135981
[12:24] <hunt0r> hello, I have a Problem with konsole and transparency. It works when I have only one tab open but if I have more tabs open all other tabs are not transparent anymore except the first one
[12:24] <Igorots> fritsch: thank you, it worked
[12:25] <insanekane> hunt0r: thats how it works
[12:26] <hunt0r> insanekane: hmm? Only the first tab should be transparent?
[12:26] <insanekane> hunt0r: if you want all your new tabs to follow the first style, then you have to "set to default"
[12:27] <Phirax> hi, i'm attemping to install kubuntu 6.06 desktop AMD64, and after the splash screen is done loading daemons, kubuntu continues to load but i have no display, my display actually turns off (aka my monitor goes to sleep), i have tried safemode, and tried hitting ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-f1 -> f7 and can't bring up even the console, this is my first time trying kubuntu, i've always used redhat/fedora until i decided to have a go a
[12:27] <Phirax> ideas?
[12:28] <tucoz> Phirax, maybe you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:28] <Phirax> well i can't cos i can't even get there
[12:29] <hunt0r> insanekane: well that does not work for me
[12:29] <insanekane> hunt0r: thats why i said "new tabs"
[12:29] <insanekane> hunt0r: select a tab, change the schema, set to default, *open a new tab* ... you will see the *new tab* will have the default schema which you have selected
[12:29] <Phirax> i heard that its a bug with my ati driver and changing to vesa may work, but no idea how to do that without any display at all
[12:29] <insanekane> hunt0r: from then on, all the new tabs will have the default schema
[12:30] <tucoz> Phirax, hmm, right. sorry. didn't see the ctrl-alt-backspace ,,,part of your message
[12:30] <tucoz> Phirax, safe mode doesn't work?
[12:30] <hunt0r> insanekane: well that does not work... Could that be a BUG?
[12:30] <Phirax> tucoz: nah yeah safemode does the same
[12:30] <insanekane> Phirax: well, you will have to change your default runlevel in the GRUB screen, and when you login, reconfigure the xserver
[12:30] <insanekane> hunt0r: it possibly isn't, because it works for me
[12:31] <insanekane> hunt0r: close all your tabs (except the very first one) ... change your schema, then, Save as Default. Next, open a new tab
[12:32] <Phirax> tucoz: is there a way to install using text only? maybe then i can disable xorg from loading and messing up the whole system
[12:32] <Phirax> insanekane: to init level 3?
[12:32] <hunt0r> insanekane: hmm... If I go back to the settings where I can modify the schemes I check the chackbox by transperency correct? but If I go back to this setting tab after I click apply and closed the setings dialof Transperancy is not chacked anymore
[12:32] <insanekane> Phirax: did you try changing the runlevels ?
[12:32] <insanekane> Phirax: umm, let me check
[12:32] <tucoz> Phirax, listen to insanekane. That is, press e or whatever in the grub screen to change runlevel.
[12:33] <Phirax> insanekane: well i don't have grub since i can't even install
[12:33] <insanekane> Phirax: use 1 (single user) just to be sure
[12:33] <insanekane> Phirax: uh ... what do you mean ? kubuntu install CD doesnt load up X as far as I know
[12:34] <Phirax> insanekane: apparently it does for me
[12:34] <insanekane> Phirax: you might be talking about the live CD
[12:35] <insanekane> Phirax: if you are, then there should be a cheat code to load up vesa
[12:35] <Phirax> insanekane: oh i see, hmm, well the iso i have is "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-amd64.iso"
[12:35] <angel> Hi u
[12:35] <insanekane> Phirax: ok, thats the live CD ... alternate is the install CD
[12:35] <Phirax> insanekane: ahh oh ok
[12:36] <angel> i juste say I try kunbutu   and i think is good
[12:36] <Phirax> insanekane: getting a tad confused, not used to how ubuntu does things
[12:36] <insanekane> angel: cool :)
[12:36] <Phirax> insanekane: bit too used to redhat i expect
[12:36] <insanekane> Phirax: hehe, me too :) i rather liked it when it was "live CD"/"install CD" ..
[12:37] <insanekane> hunt0r: did you "Save as Default" ?
[12:37] <Phirax> insanekane: i think the server i got it off tricked me, i'm pretty sure it said it was a live/install iso, then again my isp is known for making stupid mistakes
[12:37] <hunt0r> insanekane: yes :(
[12:38] <insanekane> Phirax: well, the thing is, the "live CD" *is* the install CD now ...
[12:38] <insanekane> Phirax: they have an "alternate install" CD which does only installation (no live)
[12:38] <insanekane> hunt0r: well, are you using Konsole ?
[12:39] <Phirax> insanekane: ahh ok, so what is, kubuntu-6.06-dvd-amd64.iso ?
[12:40] <Phirax> insanekane: would that be an install one?
[12:40] <jujimufu> when I do "apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev" I get this error : http://pastebin.ca/135981
[12:40] <hunt0r> insanekane: and If I choose this color scheme again then it is not transparent anymore it seems like konsole is not saving the scheme correctly
[12:40] <hunt0r> insanekane: but I don't know why the first tab is then transparent
[12:40] <insanekane> Phirax: uh ... where are you downloading this ?
[12:41] <insanekane> hunt0r: the schema is set for each tab seperately
[12:41] <Phirax> insanekane: files.bigpond.com
[12:41] <Phirax> insanekane: its my isp's files area, so it doesn't count to me internet cap
[12:41] <insanekane> Phirax: is there some reason why you arent using the Kubuntu download location ?
[12:41] <insanekane> Phirax: ah ok :)
[12:41] <Phirax> insanekane: i only get 10gbs so that can go really quick
[12:42] <insanekane> Phirax: yes i understand
[12:42] <insanekane> Phirax: that site loads real slow for me
[12:42] <insanekane> hunt0r: follow me ... you are using Konsole correct ?
[12:43] <hunt0r> insanekane: yes
[12:43] <insanekane> hunt0r: ok, close all the tabs
[12:43] <insanekane> hunt0r: (only one will remain)
[12:43] <hunt0r> insanekane: it is that bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/52999
[12:44] <insanekane> hunt0r: let me check
[12:44] <Phirax> insanekane: yeah well its local for me so i get 1000+kbps
[12:44] <insanekane> Phirax: oho ok
[12:45] <hunt0r> insanekane: sry I can not explain that well in english ;)
[12:45] <insanekane> hunt0r: its ok :)
[12:46] <insanekane> hunt0r: where are you from ?
[12:46] <hunt0r> germany
[12:46] <insanekane> ah ok
[12:46] <insanekane> Phirax: that site doest load up for me ...
[12:47] <insanekane> Phirax: see, even if you have a live CD, you can use it for installation
[12:47] <hunt0r> insanekane: and this works for you wich version of konsole have you?
[12:47] <insanekane> Phirax: there is a GUI for installing it on the live CD
[12:47] <insanekane> hunt0r: 1.6.2
[12:48] <hunt0r> I have 1.6.4
[12:48] <Phirax> insanekane: i think they block those who aren't with the isp, yeah that i figured but since the display goes can't do anything
[12:48] <insanekane> Phirax: what i suggest is that you look up the cheat codes and use vesa as you had read elsewhere
[12:48] <Phirax> insanekane: cheat codes?
[12:48] <hunt0r> insanekane: I have the 3.5.4 packages installed but I had this bug also before the upgrade to the new kde
[12:49] <insanekane> hmm
[12:49] <insanekane> Phirax: yes, cheat codes ...
[12:49] <insanekane> Phirax: when you put the live CD in ... you can use the "help" option to see the cheat codes
[12:50] <Phirax> insanekane: ah ok cheers i'll have a go thanx
[12:50] <insanekane> Phirax: you may want to read up before you do that :)
[12:50] <insanekane> Phirax: the cheat codes docs are probably quite sparse
[12:51] <Phirax> insanekane: well i've just plug'd my laptop in so i can browse the web at the same time as fiddling with the install
[12:52] <insanekane> Phirax: ah cool :)
[12:52] <insanekane> hunt0r: wierd, it works for me here
[12:54] <hunt0r> insanekane: I remeber that I installed the "old" kubuntu and the umgraded to the 6.06 on my laptop and there it worked
[12:54] <west-en> i've got midi problems, someone that can help me?
[12:56] <west-en> i have tried many programs, but it doesen't work in any of them
[12:56] <west-en> when i for example try in kmid, i egt this error:
[12:57] <west-en> "/dev/sequencer"
[12:58] <Phirax_On_Laptop> insanekane: hi it me again, just wondering if you know how to force 'vesa' for my display adapter?
[12:59] <Phirax_On_Laptop> insanekane: i had a google but couldn't find anything
[12:59] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: :) thats what I was searching for a few minutes
[01:00] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: didnt you see a help option in the grub screen/bootup screen ?
[01:00] <Phirax_On_Laptop> insanekane: yeah but has no info about it, atleast that i can find
[01:02] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: i'm looking
[01:02] <west-en> whats your problem Phirax_On_Laptop?
[01:03] <Phirax_On_Laptop> insanekane: ok thanx, my laptop is a tad old takes 6months to open a webpage,
[01:03] <insanekane> west-en: he needs a boot option to change his display adapter to vesa
[01:03] <west-en> hmm, you can do that in kkontrol
[01:03] <west-en> kcontrol
[01:04] <west-en> i did that, but my boot option avs vesa and i changed it to ati
[01:04] <Phirax_On_Laptop> west-en: well i got an ati radeon x850xt, and apparently there is a bug in the ait drivers, i can't do anything cos the screen just switches off when xorg tries to load
[01:04] <west-en> ok!
[01:04] <Phirax_On_Laptop> west-en: and i can't get into the console either
[01:04] <west-en> aha!
[01:05] <west-en> hmm you apparently need to boot another system
[01:05] <west-en> and change xorg.conf in that system
[01:05] <Phirax_On_Laptop> west-en: well thats the thing i can't even get to the install process
[01:06] <Phirax_On_Laptop> west-en: so essentially i have no xorg file
[01:06] <west-en> what?? you should be able to boot from the cd!
[01:06] <aliasfred> Phirax_On_Laptop: there is a boot option about 'fb' as in framebuffer. look in this direction
[01:07] <aliasfred> if you have trouble launching X, boot in 'safe mode' and modify the xorg conf with nano
[01:07] <TheFuzzball> hello, who can tell me how to install grub with /sbin/grub-install when I have 2 partitions?
[01:07] <insanekane> aliasfred: could it be, fb=vesa ?
[01:08] <Phirax_On_Laptop> aliasfred: thats the problem i can't launch anything no x no console
[01:08] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: try fb=vesa
[01:08] <aliasfred> insanekane: yep seems good :)
[01:08] <Phirax_On_Laptop> ok will try
[01:08] <TheFuzzball> hello?
[01:09] <west-en> midi, anyone?
[01:09] <frost_> im having trouble with my Conceptronic C54RC wlan pcmcia card
[01:09] <frost_> it hangs up my system at boot
[01:10] <west-en> aha
[01:10] <west-en> run nopcmcia as a boot option
[01:10] <west-en> "nopcmcia"
[01:10] <frost_> but it used to work util yesterday
[01:10] <Phirax_On_Laptop> ok i just added 'fb=vesa' will that be right?
[01:10] <frost_> when i unplug the card evrything is fine
[01:10] <west-en> yes vut frost, I haved the sam problem a time ago, and i solved it with the boot option "nopcmcia"
[01:11] <west-en> ok
[01:11] <grothesk_> How do I do a network restart when recovering from hibernate?
[01:11] <west-en> ha
[01:11] <west-en> startx kcontrol
[01:11] <west-en> in the consol
[01:11] <west-en> and go to network settings and inactivate your card
[01:11] <west-en> and activate it again
[01:11] <pier> ciao
[01:11] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hmm didn't work (fb=vesa) i prolly put it in the wrong place
[01:11] <grothesk_> west-en: Do you talk to me?
[01:12] <west-en> yes
[01:12] <waspius> hello...anyone know how i can make my trash icon change when it is full?
[01:12] <grothesk_> I want it to get up on it's own.
[01:12] <west-en> i try to help others, but i need help myself with midi
[01:12] <west-en> waspius: change icon set in kcontrol
[01:13] <waspius> west-en: i have many times but no difference
[01:13] <west-en> downlaod more sets?
[01:13] <grothesk_> Network ist up when hibernating, but connection is lost when waking up again. Now I want a '/etc/init.de/networking restart' to be executed.
[01:13] <tari_> does any one here know how to get amorok to play mp3's and mp4's
[01:13] <TheFuzzball> hello, who can tell me how to install grub with /sbin/grub-install when I have 2 partitions?
[01:14] <grothesk_> tari_: Install xine and use amarok-xine
[01:14] <west-en> tari: dont use amarok
[01:14] <insanekane> !tell tari_ about RestrictedFormats
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about RestrictedFormats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <west-en> it isn't a good player
[01:14] <insanekane> !tell tari_ about mp3
[01:14] <tari_> sets
[01:14] <tari_> where do I download sets
[01:14] <west-en> try vlc, or mplayer instead
[01:14] <waspius> anyone?
[01:14] <west-en> hmm what do you mean by "full"?
[01:14] <insanekane> west-en: hehe :)
[01:14] <grothesk_> vlc or mplayer are good video players but no audioplayer...
[01:15] <west-en> yes
[01:15] <insanekane> !codecs
[01:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:15] <waspius> west-en: when it is empty it shows empty..when it is full it still shows empty
[01:15] <west-en> you can play music excellent in both mplayer and vlc
[01:15] <insanekane> !tell tari_ about codecs
[01:15] <west-en> I use them to mp3:s
[01:15] <hunt0r> west-en: you are joking or?
[01:15] <west-en> What? no?
[01:15] <west-en> why should i joke?
[01:15] <insanekane> tari_: what you need to do is get the right codecs
[01:16] <Dimon08> !
[01:16] <Dimon08> !help
[01:16] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[01:17] <tari_> yeah ok cool I understand but from where I have a ipod all my songs played in itunes now I need to use amork and I can;t why not
[01:17] <west-en> okok but please can someone help me with midi?
[01:17] <insanekane> tari_: its because you dont have the right codecs
[01:19] <insanekane> tari_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:19] <insanekane> tari_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[01:20] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: try video=vesa
[01:21] <waspius> anyone know how i can make all my keyboard keys to work??
[01:22] <west-en> change keyboard layout?
[01:22] <west-en> which contry?
[01:22] <waspius> west-en: i am using a laptop and i have extra keys
[01:22] <west-en> aha you mean like that!
[01:22] <insanekane> maybe lineak
[01:23] <west-en> i am using a laptop to, but i never use the special keys
[01:23] <waspius> west-en: mmm is there though no way to fix it?
[01:23] <west-en> i don't know
[01:24] <jott> waspius: easy way: check if you find a compatible keyboard layout
[01:24] <jott> waspius: hard way: use xev and find out your keys and make your own
[01:24] <waspius> west-en: do u know how i can make shortcuts to programs then..ie make f1 open xmms?
[01:25] <waspius> jott: if i search for a compatible keyboard layout where will i look for it?and i i choose the hard way can i find some guidance somewhere?
[01:25] <jott> waspius: well how many special keys you have got?
[01:25] <tari_> why can I play mp3's in xmms but not in amarok  then
[01:26] <Phirax_On_Laptop> yeah still no go
[01:26] <jott> tari_: install libxine-extracodecs from multiverse...
[01:26] <waspius> jott: 8
[01:26] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i guess there is no way around it
[01:26] <jott> waspius: check system settings -> regional & accessibility -> keyboard layout
[01:26] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hehe it so typical i have the one ati card type that has problems in linux
[01:27] <jott> waspius: you may want to try out a keybord model like "internet keyboard" or logitech..... if you can't find your own..
[01:27] <waspius> jott: ok i will check thanx
[01:28] <Emess> goddamn mofo wine :(
[01:28] <Emess> gives LOTS fo errors when running photoshop 7 :(
[01:30] <tari_> thx jott
[01:34] <RawSewage> Did the fonts change?
[01:34] <RawSewage> My fonts changed
[01:37] <kbrooks> Hi all.
[01:37] <RawSewage> Did anyone's fonts change?
[01:38] <Emess> what fonts?
[01:38] <Phirax_On_Laptop> ??
[01:38] <Phirax_On_Laptop> not sure you can change our fonts
[01:38] <Phirax_On_Laptop> it would be silly
[01:39] <RawSewage> my system fonts
[01:39] <RawSewage> they got sort of fuzzy
[01:39] <kbrooks> Phirax_On_Laptop: you can.
[01:40] <Phirax_On_Laptop> change the fonts on mine? how so?
[01:40] <kbrooks> Phirax_On_Laptop: its all customixable
[01:40] <kbrooks> not locked in
[01:41] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i'm confussed :O
[01:41] <kbrooks> Phirax_On_Laptop:  don't know how, but i can guess a use: "i cant see the fonts"
[01:41] <XVampireX> HEY
[01:41] <XVampireX> Speaking of fonts
[01:41] <XVampireX> Someone tell me a good SMOOTH font to use?
[01:41] <Phirax_On_Laptop> MS Sans if :P
[01:42] <kbrooks> Phirax_On_Laptop: I repeat: it is very logical to change fonts.
[01:42] <jujimufu> what is the package for the linux kernel sources?
[01:42] <Phirax_On_Laptop> kbrooks: i got the idea he/she was trying to change the font in irc
[01:43] <Phirax_On_Laptop> kbrooks: i was tripping out thats all
[01:43] <Phirax_On_Laptop> to many drinks i guess
[01:43] <Phirax_On_Laptop> :P
[01:44] <Kiongku> jujimufu: what u mean.. the one coming with kubuntu?
[01:45] <jujimufu> Kiongku: I want to build a new kernel. What packages do I need to download?
[01:47] <Kiongku> jujimufu: go search on the forums.. u'll find everything u need to know
[01:48] <anssi_> !kubuntu
[01:48] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment. For more info see http://kubuntu.org ; to install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. To downgrade your version of kubuntu to an older version see: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=609.0
[01:48] <Dimon08> !linux
[01:48] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:48] <Dimon08> !unix
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:48] <kbrooks> Dimon08: Dont abuse Ubotu
[01:48] <Dimon08> :)
[01:50] <anssi_> i did install kubuntu again cause i wont get it working no matter what i do
[01:51] <Phirax_On_Laptop> anssi_: atleast you can get it to install, i'm failing that part :P
[01:51] <kbrooks> anssi_: maybe i can boot back into it :p
[01:52] <anssi_> i tried 2 times now first time internet did not work
[01:52] <anssi_> then it worked on the second time
[01:53] <anssi_> !kubuntu guide
[01:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:53] <kbrooks> anssi_: there's none.
[01:54] <anssi_> i think im going to go mad with this ...i never will get java or flash working...tried many different sources lists ...and syill no!
[01:54] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me?
[01:55] <anssi_> hello kbrooks
[01:55] <XVampireX> Not really a problem, but rather for the sake of customization
[01:55] <tsdgeos> XVampireX: first you'll have to ask the question
[01:55] <GameX> do you want to have java?
[01:55] <XVampireX> I need some smooth fonts to use
[01:55] <XVampireX> And I'd like to know if there's a good editor in KDE/kubuntu that has tabbed view
[01:55] <XVampireX> Similar to how gedit handles tabs
[01:56] <anssi_> i want java and flash and a working sources list..cause i have a clean installation now
[01:56] <RawSewage> why did my fonts get like this all of a sudden?
[01:56] <GameX> ok
[01:56] <GameX> listen
[01:56] <XVampireX> So anyone knows?
[01:56] <waspius> this http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/funkey/ is a page i found that tells you how to configure the rest of your keys on your keyboard..i hope it helps
[01:56] <tsdgeos> XVampireX: kate has a nice multidocument view that i like
[01:56] <GameX> go to k menu->ad/remove programs
[01:56] <tsdgeos> but don't know if it is similar to gedit as never used it
[01:56] <Emess> anyoen know what fiel extension wine themes need?
[01:57] <XVampireX> I don't like kate multidocument, it's good for MANY files, but not for what I need
[01:57] <anssi_> im there
[01:57] <GameX> ok
[01:57] <RawSewage> try KWrite
[01:57] <Emess> pico
[01:57] <GameX> then type in search:java
[01:57] <anssi_> no result
[01:57] <GameX> wait
[01:58] <Emess> XVampireX: open up a terminal, naviagte to teh fiel you want, type pico filename.extension
[01:58] <XVampireX> pico
[01:58] <anssi_> i think i need to enable repositories first
[01:58] <Emess> then down teh bottom it tells you the commands
[01:58] <XVampireX> hmm
[01:58] <kbrooks> Emess: no pico
[01:58] <Emess> no pico? what os?
[01:58] <Emess> everything but slackware and bsd has pico
[01:58] <kbrooks> XVampireX: pico was removed from debian, nonfree
[01:58] <XVampireX> I don't want pico
[01:58] <Emess> heh, use vi then
[01:58] <Emess> or nano
[01:59] <GameX> make sure unsupported and proprietary software is selected
[01:59] <XVampireX> I want tabbed like gedit
[01:59] <XVampireX> And graphical
[01:59] <kbrooks> Emess: the actual pico
[01:59] <anssi_> a working sources list would be nice...one that would let me install java and flashplugin
[01:59] <RawSewage> try KWrite
[01:59] <kbrooks> Emess: pico is linked to nano here
[01:59] <GameX> and KDE must be any suite
[01:59] <XVampireX> I tried kwrite, looks like it opens up new documents in new windows
[01:59] <anssi_> no result
[01:59] <GameX> then search for java
[02:00] <nagyv> How could I find out wheather I use arts or alsa? I would like to set up Skype the best possible way. I have already read about dsp_hijacker, but now found a forum (http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=48195) and also a possible kopete integration with a different tip (http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kopete%20skype/)
[02:00] <RawSewage> XVampireX, it's all configurable
[02:00] <GameX> if no result you must start adept
[02:00] <GameX> k menu ->system->adept
[02:00] <XVampireX> I'm gonna try KWrite configuration
[02:00] <anssi_> it shows java web start but wont let me install
[02:01] <GameX> ?
[02:01] <GameX> maybe you must enable the univerese multiverse repositories
[02:01] <anssi_> yeah i do
[02:02] <anssi_> a working sources list would be nice
[02:02] <nagyv> anssi_: did you slept last night? When I left 6 hours ago, you were here for at least 3-4 hours. (surprised) I hope everything will be fine soon! :)
[02:03] <NDPTAL85> 22,000 Indiana Students using Linux laptops: http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=192201386
[02:04] <Emess> anssi_: whats the problem?
[02:04] <anssi_> just a moment....
[02:06] <kbrooks> XVampireX: PM me please
[02:06] <kbrooks> XVampireX: or try to
[02:06] <XVampireX> I am
[02:07] <anssi_> im just a linux noob who cant do anything right...but soon i will have multiverse repos enabled
[02:08] <Tm_T> !repositories
[02:08] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:08] <Tm_T> anssi_: see those
[02:08] <Tm_T> err, look (and you will see) =)
[02:08] <Tm_T> anssi_: btw
[02:08] <Tm_T> !fi
[02:08] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[02:09] <Emess> brb
[02:09] <anssi_> now i can install jaca on add remove programs
[02:10] <anssi_> ubotu speaks finnish???
[02:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speaks finnish??? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:11] <anssi_> sorry ubotu
[02:13] <waspius> once you add new fonts how do u save them?
[02:14] <anssi_> kubunti.fi is quiet you can hear only your own "voice"
[02:15] <anssi_> but now i got adept loading java : )
[02:16] <Tm_T> good
[02:16] <guille> hi?
[02:17] <cosma> hello all, problem: I have a partition automounted with fstab, but cannot set its access rights in order to have my normal usuale write on it (always need to "kdesu konqueror").. how can I set it right? tnx
[02:19] <Dimon08> cosma, u use kubuntu?
[02:19] <anssi_> only 2 things to do after that...install flash and codecs..dont need anything else
[02:20] <cosma> yes Dimon08
[02:21] <Dimon08> u should edit ya partiotion owner uid and guid; u may manually edit fstab or
[02:21] <anssi_> tim_t u are finn i see
[02:21] <Dimon08> if u re under kubuntu
[02:21] <Dimon08> go to the System Settings
[02:21] <Dimon08> there is an option for partitions
[02:21] <cosma> Ok, found
[02:21] <Dimon08> then click on Administrator mode
[02:21] <Dimon08> enter password
[02:21] <cosma> done
[02:21] <guille> i'm having a problem installing vmplayer with the adept manager , when I get to accept de EULA license I cannot click on "ok". Does anyone knows how to solve this?
[02:22] <larson9999> cosma: anyone stay in #mandriva?
[02:22] <Dimon08> and now u may edit partitions click on Edit
[02:22] <Dimon08> button
[02:22] <Dimon08> and change owner there
[02:22] <Dimon08> to your user
[02:22] <anssi_> hello larson9999
[02:22] <Dimon08> then disable and enable partition again
[02:22] <larson9999> anssi_: you're still her?  logged in using your windows box?
[02:22] <larson9999> :)
[02:23] <Dimon08> that's it
[02:23] <anssi_> no kubuntu
[02:23] <larson9999> anssi_: sweet
[02:23] <cosma> the only settings I see that seems related is the "mount permission", are you talking about that?
[02:23] <anssi_> i still have windows
[02:23] <Dimon08> cosma I think yes, I'm under windows at the moment
[02:24] <anssi_> and wont get rid of it untill i find out more about kubuntu
[02:24] <cosma> I changed it from "one user at a time can enabled/disable" to "any user may enable/disable"
[02:24] <larson9999> anssi_: how are things going?
[02:24] <anssi_> just got java installing from adept
[02:24] <Dimon08> well there should be other settings
[02:24] <anssi_> had to install kubuntu again
[02:24] <larson9999> cosma: click advanced
[02:25] <larson9999> anssi_: how many times now?
[02:25] <anssi_> but now i made a bacup of my new system with keep
[02:25] <anssi_> i think 4 -5 in last 24 hours
[02:25] <larson9999> anssi_: never heard of keep.  but then i back things up with gparted
[02:26] <larson9999> anssi_: that's good practice but i'm guessing most of your problems really wouldn't require i reinstall
[02:26] <anssi_> so you dont use kubuntu
[02:26] <cosma> crashed Konversation :)
[02:26] <cosma> ok, I found the advanced button
[02:26] <larson9999> anssi_: who doesn't use kubuntu?
[02:27] <anssi_> but im a "noob" in linux
[02:27] <anssi_> you larson
[02:27] <larson9999> anssi_: i do use kubuntu for about a month or so now.
[02:27] <anssi_> if you have never heard of keep
[02:28] <anssi_> theres a keep program in the menu and it says backup system
[02:28] <cosma> Allow the SUID and SGID attributes have to be enabled?
[02:28] <larson9999> anssi_: well there are lots of things i never heard of.  and since i have a backup solution i may have seen it but not paid attention
[02:29] <Dimon08> cosma no u don't need them
[02:29] <larson9999> anssi_: yep.  there it is
[02:29] <cosma> ok
[02:29] <Dimon08> cosma, just change user from root to yours
[02:29] <cosma> I don't see any "user" field...
[02:29] <anssi_> now it has downloaded java but wont start to install it
[02:30] <anssi_> preparing..for a minut or so now
[02:30] <larson9999> anssi_: want my advice?  you don't have to take it but since you seem determined to get into linux i think it would help you.
[02:31] <anssi_> tell me
[02:31] <Dimon08> cosma, sorry I don't have kubuntu here:) try asking someone else:)
[02:31] <cosma> thank you anyway Dimom :)
[02:32] <anssi_> adept stopped working suddenly or it halted
[02:32] <larson9999> anssi_: read 2 tutorials at least through beginning chapters.  1. on the *nix command line.  2.  on the destktop or window manager you decided to use most.
[02:32] <anssi_> okay
[02:32] <Dimon08> cosma np:)
[02:33] <anssi_> what the... why dont it install now
[02:34] <Dimon08> anssi_, btw what hardware do u have?  why so many problems?:)
[02:34] <larson9999> cosma: there is no use in that dialogu.  there is a place for options though.  aren't you an old nick i've seen in chat rooms for a while now?
[02:34] <anssi_> i hawe athlon 64 300+ and asus A8N-E motherboard
[02:35] <anssi_> and i have 64 bit kubuntu
[02:35] <jott> anssi_: adept is broken when userinteraction takes place.. see known problems...
[02:35] <Dimon08> anssi_, and it won't get installed:)?
[02:35] <jott> anssi_: either try to click on details and confirm (will probably not work)
[02:35] <jott> anssi_: or use command line..
[02:36] <anssi_> so what do i do now it has stopped
[02:36] <jott> anssi_: or try to install "libqt-perl" then do "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and choose kde..
[02:36] <anssi_> i had to accept the licence...stupid me!!!
[02:36] <Tm_T> :p
[02:37] <cosma> larson9999, I've been in chat rooms, maybe in the #gentoo ones before I switched to kubuntu :)
[02:37] <anssi_> okay now it started to install java wuhuu!!!
[02:37] <larson9999> cosma: i think i'm thinking of another nick maybe cosmi or cosmo
[02:37] <cosma> larson9999, i tried to remove the "defaults" option (that include nousers) and explicitly add users and rw options, but no luck..
[02:38] <cosma> larson9999: probably :)
[02:38] <larson9999> anssi_: oh 64 bit.  that could have it's own issues.  i haven't ventured there yet
[02:39] <larson9999> anssi_: but i hear tell there are somethings for which a 64 bit version doesn't exist.  and it happens that flash and media codecs are on the list.  aren't those things you were having problems with?  now i dont' run 64 bit so i'm speaking a bit out of turn.
[02:39] <anssi_> i thoght that the 64 bit system would suit my harware
[02:40] <anssi_> yeah
[02:40] <larson9999> cosma: so when it mounts, you don't have read/write access?
[02:40] <larson9999> cosma: what kind of media?
[02:41] <cosma> larson9999: not with my normal user, its a normal hard disk partition
[02:41] <larson9999> anssi_: it would suite your hardware but from what i've heard, it's probably not ready for the newbie.
[02:41] <cosma> larson9999: I'm trying to also check access rights in the mount point folder
[02:42] <anssi_> okay maybe i should switch to ubuntu 32 bit cause i have that too
[02:42] <larson9999> cosma: that's was i was going to recommend, umount the drive, and change permissions on the mount folder
[02:42] <larson9999> anyone here using 64 bit want to chime in on whether it's 'newbie ready'?
[02:42] <Shan_> what does it mean when a clamscan of my windows partition gices me a Broken PE Header" error/
[02:42] <Shan_> ?
[02:43] <Shan_> what does it mean when a clamscan of my windows partition gices me a "Broken PE Header" error?
[02:43] <Shan_> anyone?
[02:43] <cosma> larson9999: ok, now it works :) thank you very much... I had already tried that, but always when the fs was mounted
[02:44] <larson9999> cosma: yeah, you have to umount it first.  since we're here NEVER fsck a mounted drive.
[02:45] <cosma> larson9999: ok, thanks for the tip
[02:45] <Shan_> :/
[02:46] <[GuS] > Hello!!!
[02:46] <[GuS] > i have a question...
[02:47] <[GuS] > I have here Kubuntu dapper 64... and for some reason or some upgrade/update... the fonts of some apps (like adept, add/remove programs, firestarter and so on) has no antialiasing
[02:47] <[GuS] > and this, does not happen in the 32 bits edition
[02:48] <waspius> anyone know to to setup dcgui?
[02:50] <[GuS] > never mind... i've fixed...
[02:50] <larson9999> how can you tell if your fonts  are anti aliased?
[02:51] <nick_> do sombody know a good ( ?popup free?) free php webhosting?
[02:52] <kbrooks> how isnt 64bit ready for a newbie on Ubuntu
[02:58] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good morning
[02:58] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind :)
[02:59] <Hawkwind> abattoir: You're here earlier than normal.  You must off of work or something
[03:01] <Tm_T> nah, he's one of those workhourcheaters
[03:01] <Tm_T> "I have to do one taks in home" and he goes to closest bar to get some beer
[03:02] <Tm_T> err, task even
[03:03] <abattoir> haha, LOL
[03:04] <Tm_T> I know that type ;)
[03:04] <abattoir> Hawkwind: just woke up ;) ... and i have no fixed times till college begins
[03:04] <abattoir> Tm_T: i think i know why :P
[03:05] <abattoir> Tm_T: your boss has come home to check up on you? :P
[03:05] <Tm_T> abattoir: I don't have a job (I wonder why)
[03:05] <Tm_T> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:05] <abattoir> Tm_T: you're too cool for one :)
[03:05] <abattoir> Hobbsee: hello :)
[03:06] <Tm_T> abattoir: must be :p
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T, abattoir
[03:06] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Good morning(my time in the world) so good evening to you
[03:06] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind
[03:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:09] <dooglus> I can "sudo" and "gksu", but "kdesu" always tells me I typed the wrong password.  What's wrong?
[03:13] <abattoir> dooglus: any other error message?
[03:13] <ibert> hi! does anyone know a tool, to create ASCII-Escaped Unicode text-files like it is possible with ultraedit on Windows?
[03:13] <dooglus> abattoir: no
[03:14] <abattoir> dooglus: and what application are you trying to launch?(adept?)
[03:14] <dooglus> abattoir: slight correction:  I can use sudo and gksudo, but gksu and kdesu both fail with "incorrect password... try again"
[03:14] <dooglus> abattoir: xclock
[03:15] <nagyv> I would like to install the skype addon for kopete. On its site it is written to install it under the addons directory, but I don't know where it is. Any ideas to find it?
[03:16] <intelikey> xdm question, xdm wont allow user to login who has no password.   where/how can this be changed ?
[03:16] <intelikey> nagyv cli    find / -type d -name '*addon*'
[03:17] <abattoir> dooglus: have you tried some other application(s)? do you get the same error?
[03:17] <abattoir> nagyv: also, i think you'd need to downgrade your dbus version, for it to work properly
[03:18] <dooglus> abattoir: yes.  it also says "Sorry" and "sn_launcher_context_initiate called twice for the same SnLaunchContext" in the terminal
[03:18] <nagyv> abattoir: hmm, this sounds badly :(
[03:18] <dooglus> gksu and gksudo are the same program.  I don't understand why one works and the other doesn't
[03:19] <Jucato> gksu and gksudo are actually not the same, iirc
[03:19] <dooglus> /usr/bin/gksudo -> gksu
[03:19] <dooglus> it's a symlink
[03:19] <intelikey> like bash & sh
[03:20] <intelikey> sh is a symlink but they are not the same.
[03:20] <dooglus> /bin/sh -> dash
[03:20] <dooglus> sh is a symlink to dash, not bash
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> Only in edgy
[03:21] <intelikey> only if you choose that
[03:21] <dooglus> how do sh and bash differ?
[03:21] <intelikey> but the point is the name of the file called affects the behaviour of the file
[03:22] <intelikey> dooglus type sh and see
[03:22] <Jucato>  @_@
[03:22] <dooglus> intelikey: only if the program was designed that way - and if so, it should be documented
[03:22] <Jucato> sorry, didn't mean to raise a different issue...
[03:22] <reagleBRKLN> ug, just updated and my fonts look like crud now
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> You can still use bashism's when bash is launched as /bin/sh
[03:23] <Jucato> reagleBRKLN: try setting up the fonts again in System Settings
[03:23] <intelikey> for bash/sh it is.   i haven't checked gksu    but you want a better example  look at halt reboot  in /sbin
[03:23] <Jucato> http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/gksu.html - gksu is a frontend to su and gksudo is a frontend to sudo.
[03:24] <intelikey> h3sp4wn heh actually you are using sh'ism in bash  :)
[03:24] <Jucato> I guess you could check the man pages for gksu. I can't coz I don't have it installed
[03:24] <reagleBRKLN> Jucato: what do you mean, setting up again?
[03:24] <dooglus> the "bash" man page says "If bash is invoked with the name sh, it ..." - ie. it documents the difference.  I don't see this in the gksu man page
[03:24] <reagleBRKLN> the fonts still look cruddy in the choose selector
[03:25] <Jucato> reagleBRKLN: err.. sorry. I meant, try unchecking, then checking again the anti-aliasing option in System Settings > Appearance > Fonts
[03:26] <Jucato> so I installed gksu just to check... @_@
[03:27] <Jucato> the man page says: gksu is a frontend to su and gksudo is a frontend to sudo.
[03:28] <dooglus> ok - so if I set a root password, gksu works.
[03:29] <dooglus> when I click on the 'update notified' in the notification area, it seems to be using gksu
[03:30] <dooglus> Jucato: my man page for gksu doesn't say that at all
[03:30] <Chuck> Ive got a problem: Openoffice shows everything in greek font, and if its opened kopete shows the baloon tip even in the same layout, does anybody knows?
[03:30] <Jucato> dooglus: really? that's strange...
[03:30] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm... gonna restart kde and see if that helps the fonts. brb.
[03:31] <Chuck> I did, but it did not help, I ran through a Version of Dicoo and changed the regional settings, but did not help-
[03:32] <intelikey> mine doesn't either.  i have no man on gksu  :)
[03:32] <Jucato>  @_@
[03:33] <Jucato> where on earth did I get that...
[03:33] <intelikey> Jucato from the man pages i guess
[03:33] <Jucato> intelikey: you wouldn't have the gksu man if you don't have gksu installed...
[03:33] <dooglus> Jucato: you found it on the web?
[03:33] <reagleBRKLN> woe is me, fonts are still ghastly
[03:33] <intelikey> i don't have gk squat   so i didn't expect a man page
[03:33] <Jucato> that's why I had to install gksu, to confirm what that web page was saying
[03:34] <reagleBRKLN> is there a way to figure which packages changed in the last day, so I know what to revert?
[03:34] <Jucato> reagleBRKLN: you upgraded to KDE 3.5.4?
[03:34] <reagleBRKLN> yes, been using 3.5.4 for a bit now, but the fonts package upate was this morning
[03:34] <Chuck> yeah, maybe, but I got a 56k modem
[03:34] <Jucato> hm... I didn't get any font package update...
[03:35] <dooglus> reagleBRKLN: I run this to see a list of changed packages:    zgrep -h -E -e " (installed|remove) $arg " /var/log/*dpkg.log* | sort | less
[03:35] <Chuck> and that would be a loong night.
[03:35] <dooglus> reagleBRKLN: (where $arg is '.*' if I want all packages)
[03:35] <Chuck> k
[03:35] <Chuck> I check...
[03:35] <Chuck> nope...
[03:36] <reagleBRKLN> dooglus: awesome!
[03:36] <reagleBRKLN> Jucato: 2006-08-17 09:16:55 status installed libfreetype6 2.2.1-0ubuntu1
[03:37] <abattoir> reagleBRKLN: edgy?
[03:37] <red_> can anyone help fix my problem with apt-get install? this is my problem: http://pastebin.ca/136148
[03:37] <Hawkwind> red_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:37] <reagleBRKLN> ah.. this is probably the culprit
[03:37] <Jucato> Hawkwind: isn't it just "firefox" ??
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN> *** 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 0
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN>         500 http://xgl.compiz.info dapper/main Packages
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN>         500 http://www.beerorkid.com dapper/main Packages
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: 'firefox' should work too, but here as of late it's been giving everyone that error that red_ just got
[03:38] <reagleBRKLN> I once used ANYkeyOptimizer/ and it added those sources
[03:38] <abattoir> red_: you have main enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:38] <red_> Hawkwind: that didn't work either
[03:38] <intelikey> xdm question, xdm wont allow user to login who has no password.   where/how can this be changed ?
[03:38] <Jucato> Hawkwind: and it has nothing to do with repositories?
[03:38] <dooglus> reagleBRKLN: I have these lines in my ~/.bashrc: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/wheninst.txt
[03:38] <Hawkwind> red_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox libnss3
[03:39] <red_> abattoir: i had whatever was on there by default, that didn't work - someone helped me with this problem and i did the same changes to source.list as i did on the other computer, and it worked
[03:39] <red_> Hawkwind: that didn't work, either
[03:39] <Gh0st75> how do i do a backup of my Kubuntu so i won't mess it up? I've got just about everything working that i need to, afraid i'll have to do it all again if i try anything new
[03:40] <Hawkwind> red_: Can you pastebin your sources.list then please
[03:40] <red_> Hawkwind: sure
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: There are many different ways
[03:40] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: I have a bash script that just uses tar to tar up certain directories.  Makes it quick and simple
[03:40] <Gh0st75> no data on the ext3 drive, all data is on my fat32 drive, just don't want to have to download all the packages again with my slow conx
[03:40] <reagleBRKLN> dooglus: is that bash?
[03:40] <Hawkwind> reagleBRKLN: Yes
[03:41] <Hawkwind> reagleBRKLN: That's why it's in the .bashrc file :P
[03:41] <red_> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ca/136150
[03:41] <Gh0st75> quick and simple is good
[03:41] <dooglus> reagleBRKLN: tes
[03:41] <dooglus> reagleBRKLN: yes
[03:41] <Jucato> strange... the sources.list seems fine
[03:42] <Hawkwind> red_: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:42] <Jucato> oh
[03:42] <Jucato> wait
[03:42] <intelikey> Gh0st75 you can save your downloaded packages. (/var/cache/apt/archives/*) to what ever media, then if you reinstall copy them back to /var/cache/apt/archives and you wont have to dl them again.
[03:42] <Jucato> Hawkwind: is it possible that the proble is that the dapper-security repos are disabled?
[03:43] <Gh0st75> ooh, that's useful to know
[03:43] <Gh0st75> thanks for the tip
[03:43] <Jucato> AFAIK, the latest Firefox versions are in dapper-security
[03:43] <Gh0st75> good for if i go somewhere and want to do an offline install
[03:43] <intelikey> Gh0st75 np.   i'm on dialup i know how that is.
[03:43] <red_> Hawkwind: it's working on updates now, good sign?
[03:43] <Gh0st75> i've got a 140k conx, not much better
[03:44] <Gh0st75> had a 5mb conx but tryin to cut some bills down a bit
[03:44] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Even so, it should install an older version if it didn't pull the newest from the dapper-security repo
[03:44] <Hawkwind> red_: Possibly
[03:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you're right. so it is strange that he couldn't install firefox...
[03:45] <intelikey> so nobady knows where xdm can be set to allow passwordless login ?
[03:45] <red_> Hawkwind: ok, firefox is installing, tyvm
[03:46] <Jucato> kool! it was as simple as 'sudo apt-get update' :-D
[03:46] <red_> so now does apt-get work by reading a local repo list?
[03:46] <intelikey> yep
[03:46] <red_> i'm used to rhel, yum, which will look on the servers every time i tell it to install
[03:47] <Jucato> red_: everytime you make changes to sources.list, you have to do a 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:47] <red_> oh ok, so it was a broken sources.list again
[03:47] <red_> i didn't remember updating on the first machine
[03:47] <red_> makes sense though
[03:47] <intelikey> list and database    change the list update the db
[03:47] <Hawkwind> red_: No problem.  You just always should remember to do 'sudo apt-get update' ever so often so that you get the latest list of packages in the repos
[03:48] <red_> Hawkwind: will do
[03:48] <Jucato> red_: well, apt-get does search the servers when you want to install something. but without a sources.list, or without updating, it won't know which repositories to look into
[03:48] <larson9999> red_: you can tell yum to you cach.  but yum is slow freakin slow.  i have fc5 on my son's machine now.  yum is ok functionality wise but it is so slow.  i'm thinking of putting apt on it instead of yum
[03:48] <Gh0st75> 256mb total of packages in the archives folder, backin that up to my fat32 Backup drive as a zip file
[03:48] <Hawkwind> cannonball: Good morning :P
[03:48] <larson9999> s/to you/to use/
[03:48] <cannonball> Hawkwind: heh, good morning.  I just installed to see what all the fuss is about.  Very slick so far.
[03:49] <Hawkwind> cannonball: Awesome.  Welcome aboard and if you need help, this is certainly the place or a majority of us in #LFD have switched over too as you know
[03:49] <Gh0st75> Hawkwind: what directories should i back up to be able to recover my current Kubuntu state/settings?
[03:49] <intelikey> Jucato i take occasion with that.  apt will not search any server unless the database tells it there is a package matching that name in 'url'
[03:49] <larson9999> Hawkwind: is anyone left in #mandriva?
[03:50] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: I backup /etc /home and a couple other personal partitions.  It's really all up to you but /etc and /home contain a majority of all your config files
[03:50] <red_> is there an apt-get for mozilla flash?
[03:50] <Hawkwind> !flash > red_
[03:50] <Jucato> intelikey: oh, sorry. I'll try to be more careful in giving inaccurate info...
[03:50] <Gh0st75> great, i can just use Keep to do that too right?
[03:50] <Hawkwind> larson9999: There are a few left at the moment.  But they'll learn soon enough where their bread is buttered and make the switch :P
[03:51] <larson9999> lol
[03:51] <cannonball> Hawkwind: The most impressive for me was that it found the 802.11g card (Proxim) and set it all up.
[03:51] <intelikey> Jucato now lets not start that again.
[03:51] <Hawkwind> cannonball: Very nice
[03:51] <cannonball> Hawkwind: I think I'll convert this box eventually, we'll see how it handles an ATI 9800 Pro with dual head.
[03:52] <Hawkwind> cannonball: I'm so happy with my switch over to *Ubuntu.  I wish I had done it a lot sooner than I did(June 1st, 2006)
[03:52] <Gh0st75> never heard much about mandrivia, figure eventually, i'll set up another partition to mess around with Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Fluxbox, or Gentoo
[03:52] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i only gave ubuntu a try because i liked the idea of a company who'd ship a free cd.  but i'm also trying fc5 and will likely use centos since i'm hoping to get a gig on rhel.
[03:52] <Jucato> intelikey: no really... I should be more careful. I tend to do these things so I really should watch it. don't want to be sued. ehehe
[03:52] <Jucato> Hawkwind: what's LFD?
[03:52] <Gh0st75> so far i'm really liking Kubuntu tho
[03:52] <cannonball> Hawkwind: if suspend works like it did with my coworker's box, then that means my laptop becomes useful for me.
[03:53] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It's my channel here on Freenode that corresponds with my http://LinuxForDummies.org/ domain.  It's a general Linux help channel
[03:53] <Jucato> oh kool
[03:53] <intelikey> Jucato sounds like lsd with a lisp   ;/
[03:53] <Jucato> lol
[03:53] <granbar> Hey. Do any of you guys know anything about shotguns?
[03:53] <Hawkwind> granbar: Kind of offtopic for this channel I'd say :P
[03:54] <Gh0st75> ooh, another link for me to read at work, thanks Hawkwind
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: Heh, no problem
[03:54] <larson9999> granbar: as in weddings?
[03:54] <Hawkwind> Gh0st75: I've got Ubuntu and Kubuntu sections there.  They are becoming more active now that I've been using the distro for a bit
[03:54] <red_> tyvm guys
[03:54] <intelikey> granbar "anything" is pretty broad.   might be better to ask the question and then be griped at for being off topic... :)
[03:55] <granbar> Hawkwind: Sorry about that :P. I'm just having some trouble with my shotgun.
[03:55] <Gh0st75> great, i notice there's no shortage of ubuntu information, nice to see a bit more kubuntu specific stuff
[03:55] <Hawkwind> granbar: Might ask in #Kubuntu-OffTopic then
[03:55] <granbar> intelikey:hehe
[03:55] <Hawkwind> granbar: Many of the users from this channel are there I'm sure
[03:55] <larson9999> granbar: you aren't drinking a beer and thinking about saying anything that starts with, "earl, hold my beer and watch this." are you?
[03:55] <Jucato> Hawkwind: actually, not that many :-D
[03:55] <granbar> thanks, Hawkwind :P
[03:56] <granbar> larson9999: Luckily no hehe
[03:56] <intelikey> larson9999 lol
[03:56] <Jucato> only 22 users :-D
[03:57] <intelikey> maybe someone should start an official channel for fire arms
[03:57] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ahh.  Figured there would be more there.  I've never been there so I was assuming
[03:57] <intelikey> jat
[03:57] <larson9999> intelikey: i'm sure there are many such channels
[03:57] <Jucato> lol
[03:57] <intelikey> sure or guessing ?
[03:58] <larson9999> intelikey: pretty sure.
[03:58] <Kiongku> yo.. kopete crashes.. with the signal 11
[03:58] <tk> that means "i guess" doesnt it? :P
[03:58] <larson9999> tk: i'm sure it does
[03:58] <intelikey> tk i presume
[03:58] <Jucato> err... would any of you guys know if K3b could continue a CD multisession that was started in Nero (Windows XP)
[03:58] <Kiongku> guys. Do ur koepet works?
[03:58] <larson9999> :)'
[03:58] <Kiongku> *Kopete
[03:58] <tk> heh
[03:59] <tk> I had to switch to kopete because GAIM was being wonky.... so yes, it works :)
[03:59] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeah. what protocol are you trying to use?
[03:59] <Hawkwind> larson9999: According to the channel lists, there are no channels about firearms
[03:59] <tk> Jucato: sessions should be sessions, regardless of OS/app used
[03:59] <abattoir> Jucato: should work... they all follow ISO standards... havent tried it though
[04:00] <Kiongku> Jucato: protocol?.. msn
[04:00] <intelikey> hmmmm wonder if i couldn't do something like   /list > freenode      to generate a list of channels ?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> abattoir: MS followed a standard at some point ?
[04:00] <Jucato> strange... I can't seem to make it work in K3b. it's complaining that the ... err... I forgot the error message... let me try that again
[04:00] <Hawkwind> Heh
[04:00] <larson9999> hawkwind they are disguising their name to hide from 'the man'
[04:01] <abattoir> Hawkwind: well, Nero isnt owned by MS(last i knew)... and didnt they license technology for windows xp(for burning) rather than make their own? ;)
[04:01] <Jucato> there are IRC channels for guns. they just aren't in freenode, so you won't see them
[04:01] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good point. No wonder things are right :)
[04:01] <Kiongku> Jucato: btw what IM do u use?
[04:01] <larson9999> i thought i saw nero for linux.  maybe not
[04:01] <Jucato> Kiongku: Kopete, but I don't use the MSN protocol. no one there to talk too. :-D
[04:02] <Gh0st75> yes, there is a nero for linux
[04:02] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Nero is for linux, but it's horribly coded and doesn't work very well, and is horribly slow from what everyone reports
[04:02] <Kiongku> Jucato: damn my kopete crashes.. know how to change its protocol without runnign it?
[04:02] <rolando> hello
[04:02] <intelikey> linux negro ?
[04:02] <larson9999> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[04:02] <intelikey> s/g//
[04:03] <Gh0st75> i love the little tune K3B plays at the end of a burning session, lol
[04:03] <rolando> how can i find a package for a c to MIPS cross compiler?
[04:03] <Jucato> er.. so basically, in K3b, if I want to continue on a multisession CD, I just need to do a "New Data CD Project" then select continue multisession?
[04:03] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Yes.  Nero for linux has been out for a year or more now
[04:03] <rolando> in the repositories i have i dont have such a thing, is there a place with specific packages like this one?
[04:03] <Jucato> Kiongku: unfortunately, no. So kopete crashes even when you just start it up?
[04:03] <larson9999> Hawkwind: yeah but i figured if k3b wouldn't work, then nero for linux would.  if there is some burning need.
[04:03] <Kiongku> Jucato: ya.. open 2 secs then crash
[04:04] <Jucato> Kiongku: what was the last thing you did before it started behaving like this?
[04:04] <larson9999>  Hawkwind or 'might' since it is still nero.  seems like you might as well copy it in k3b though
[04:05] <Jucato> great, it complains that I need to use an appendable medium
[04:05] <larson9999> Hawkwind: is your system amd64?
[04:05] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: You could always do this: mv ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete-old   Then try starting kopete
[04:05] <Jucato> now I have to reboot into Windows just to do this....
[04:05] <Hawkwind> larson9999: Nope.
[04:05] <Kiongku> Jucato: Ehrm enter msn.. closed.. then i tried aMSN.. its the 1st time i'm opening it again after that
[04:06] <maltaethiron> hey guys, i want to burn an iso to a disc, what program to i use?
[04:06] <Jucato> maltaethiron: K3b
[04:06] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: k3b
[04:06] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: ya.
[04:06] <maltaethiron> ty
[04:06] <Jucato> what a coincidence. K3b again...
[04:06] <rolando> anyone has tried to install gcc-mips or something like that, cross compiler?
[04:07] <Jucato> grr... have to reboot...
[04:07] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: great.. what u did is remove the old config?
[04:07] <rolando> cuz i need to compile nachos
[04:07] <larson9999> Hawkwind: i bought a new system that is and was wondering if the 64 bit was ready for dummies like me.
[04:07] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: no more crash
[04:07] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: It moved it out of the way and gave it a different name so that you still have a copy of it if you need it for anything
[04:08] <Hawkwind> larson9999: I won't use a 64Bit system for atleast another year.  Once they mature and things work a lot better.  Most 64Bit distros still have lib issues
[04:08] <Hawkwind> rolando: You don't compile nachos, you eat them for dinner :P
[04:08] <larson9999> Hawkwind: that's what i figured
[04:09] <rolando> Hawkwind: lol, but seriously ever played with it?
[04:09] <Gh0st75> i'm using the 64 bit Kubuntu
[04:09] <rolando> i cant "make" it
[04:09] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: it wunt mind if i delete it? nothing important in it anyway
[04:10] <Gh0st75> not sure how much of a difference it makes tho
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: You can delete the -old one now if you want, sure
[04:10] <larson9999> Gh0st75: oh, then maybe that's another reason i won't try it yet :)
[04:11] <abattoir> Kiongku: its still the same kopete.... :P
[04:11] <abattoir> Kiongku: its only your settings, that you have 'reset'
[04:11] <Kiongku> abattoir: i know.. but it crashes kopete so..
[04:12] <abattoir> ok, ok :)
[04:12] <intelikey> i can't seem to get xdm to allow user login without passwd,   any body know anything about that ?
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> rolando: What exactly are you trying to do ? I have used openwrt's buildroot (and tried and failed to use dpkg-cross)
[04:13] <rolando> h3sp4wn: i have to do some work with nachos, and i need a c to mips cross compiler
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> rolando: What is the target device ?
[04:14] <rolando> h3sp4wn: this is supposed to install the mips compiler tar -C / -xvzf gcc-mips.tgz
[04:14] <intelikey> i edited /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config   and added xlogin.Login.allowNullPasswd: true   but it doesn't help....    someone surely has done this    no ?
[04:14] <rolando> h3sp4wn: and the trying to make it will give this error
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any way to setup the swap using of a program? for ex: i want to a program use the memory, and don't use swap
[04:14] <MetaMorfoziS> ?
[04:15] <rolando> ++ -g -Wall -Wshadow -fwritable-strings -I../threads -I../machine -DTHREADS -DHOST_i386 -DHOST_LINUX -DCHANGED -c ../threads/main.cc
[04:15] <rolando> cc1plus: error: no se reconoce la opcin de lnea de comando "-fwritable-strings"
[04:15] <intelikey> MetaMorfoziS if you don't run out of ram  you can  sudo swapoff -a   that will turn all swap off.
[04:15] <rolando> h3sp4wn: so i was wondering if there is a package availabla for kubuntu, which i couldnt find
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> hoh it's not possible... i have 512mb ram, kde needs 2-300
[04:16] <h3sp4wn> rolando: Do you need big or little endian ?
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> and ut2004 needs all of the memory on the world
[04:16] <Kiongku> Guys i think kopete does not like MSN protocol
[04:16] <intelikey> MetaMorfoziS kde needs about 38m of ram
[04:16] <MetaMorfoziS> Kiongku: the os cummunity doesn't like the msn protocol
[04:17] <rolando> h3sp4wn: i dont know, doesnt mention anything about that
[04:17] <larson9999> what do i need to change so the login screen has users and icons for the uses listed?  i used to have that but now i don't.  i use it for my son to click on his icon to log in
[04:17] <MetaMorfoziS> intelikey: and why it said the it uses 3-400mb
[04:17] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, i know the shared memory
[04:17] <MetaMorfoziS> but it's irreal...
[04:17] <h3sp4wn> rolando: Have you the link of what you are trying to do ? Which mips machine are you trying to compile for ?
[04:17] <MetaMorfoziS> not 3-4 2-3:D
[04:17] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: os?
[04:18] <MetaMorfoziS> open source
[04:18] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: because of microsoft :P?
[04:18] <MetaMorfoziS> Kiongku: use jabber... it's secure and better... (okay i know, other lamas uses msn....)
[04:19] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: whats jabber?
[04:19] <rolando> h3sp4wn: this is the compiler im given http://sopa.dis.ulpgc.es/so/material-didactico-practico/nachos/gcc-mips.tgz
[04:19] <MetaMorfoziS> Jabber is an im protocol, like icq or aim or mn...
[04:19] <MetaMorfoziS> m$n...
[04:19] <rolando> and with this tar -C / -xvzf gcc-mips.tgz i shuold install it
[04:19] <MetaMorfoziS> but, it's free,, based on xml, and it's working like email
[04:20] <Emess> grrr alltray isnt working right...
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> more inf: http://jabber.org
[04:20] <intelikey> MetaMorfoziS i have no idea where you got the information.   but practical usage and tests have proved to me that kde uses about (and this is a rough estimate because it veries slightly)  32-44 M  of ram.   there are things that use more and things that use less   according to your actual kde configuration.
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> and kopete supports it well, with ssl!
[04:20] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: send me ur link in that IM :P
[04:20] <rolando> h3sp4wn: but i dont know anything about deps, so installing it via apt-get or something like that would be great
[04:20] <MetaMorfoziS> what?
[04:21] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: enable SSL?
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> rolando: But what mips machine are you going to run the code that the cross compiler generates on ?
[04:21] <storm> hi
[04:21] <MetaMorfoziS> intelikey: how can you test it? i'm writed a php script that adds ps aux memory percent, and calculates the ram usage
[04:21] <MetaMorfoziS> Kiongku: do you know what is ssl?
[04:22] <storm> what are you
[04:22] <pete_> Hi, I'm having problems installing compiz. It says I need libsvg-cairo 0.1.16, but 0.1.15 is in the repositories
[04:22] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: MetaMorfoziS: secure socket layer or something?
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[04:22] <Kiongku> oops sorry for dual name
[04:22] <storm> ok
[04:22] <pete_> I would normally just compile it myself, but this is ubuntu, so Idon't want to get involved with source packages
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> Kiongku: try it! apt-get install ethereal - it's a network analyzer (sniffer)
[04:22] <Hawkwind> !compiz
[04:22] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:22] <MetaMorfoziS> and send 2 message on jabber and msn.
[04:22] <storm> hello
[04:23] <maltaethiron> guys, k3b doesnt open up
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> you feel the difference
[04:23] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[04:23] <anssi_> how can i uninstall grub
[04:23] <storm> hi
[04:23] <anssi_> or kubuntu
[04:23] <rolando> h3sp4wn: nachos runs on a mips machine, and the cross compiler is supposed to emulate a mips in my laptop, that is what i understand
[04:24] <storm> anyone here
[04:24] <maltaethiron> hawkwind: you know anything about fixing k3b? it wont start
[04:24] <Kiongku> MetaMorfoziS: its nice to be on jabber but i haev no one to talk to XDD
[04:24] <anssi_> im bored about the problems i have with this thing
[04:24] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Have you run k3b-setup as sudo first ?
[04:24] <storm> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:24] <Hawkwind> storm: Patience
[04:24] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, like i said^^ some lamers uses msn... but you may tell about jabber to others, and you may turn off the autoconenct to msn...
[04:24] <storm> sorry
[04:24] <maltaethiron> so in konsole run sudo k3b-setup?
[04:24] <abattoir> storm: hello... if you have a question, please ask
[04:24] <Hawkwind> storm: Try asking a question if you need help
[04:24] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Yes
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> rolando: All a cross compiler will allow you to do is generate code which can be run on a mips - you would need some type of a mips emulator (or some type of a mips machine) to run the generated code
[04:24] <intelikey> MetaMorfoziS i tested it with loading kde in an environment that only had X amount of ram     any system with 64m of ram can run kde without any swap.   "be advised, i was testing kde not subsystems"   that is to say if you have 50 processes running in the back ground and they are eating 2m each don't expect anything to load in 128m   but on a clean system kde only uses about 38m
[04:25] <rolando> h3sp4wn: tak, is there a package that will install this cross compiler?
[04:25] <anssi_> i think i stop using kubuntu for a while until im not so pissed off cause nothing works
[04:25] <storm> no i'm ok
[04:25] <Kiongku> MetaMorfozis: wanna be my first add in it o0?
[04:25] <maltaethiron> hawkwind: k3b-setup: command not found
[04:25] <MetaMorfoziS> Kiongku: metamorfozis@jabber.hu
[04:26] <MetaMorfoziS> :)))
[04:26] <abattoir> maltaethiron: try k3bsetup
[04:26] <Kiongku> hungarian :P?
[04:26] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[04:26] <storm> does anyone have flash
[04:26] <anssi_> so how can i remove kubuntu without it it effecting windows starting
[04:26] <TheGateKeeper> storm: yes I have installed it
[04:26] <rolando> storm: just until version 7
[04:26] <MetaMorfoziS> storm only flash 7 available today under linux.
[04:26] <larson9999> anssi_: same harddrive?
[04:26] <cannonball> h3sp4wn: http://kegel.com/crosstool/
[04:27] <larson9999> anssi_: or did you install on different hard drives?
[04:27] <intelikey> anssi_ boot to windows fix your mbr and use fdisk on the drive.
[04:27] <abattoir> anssi_: the quick and dirty way would be to format the kubuntu partitions(and swap)... booting from the win xp cd and in rescue mode run fixmbr
[04:27] <anssi_> i cant even install flash and java even with multiverse enabled
[04:27] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: k3b(hit the tab key)
[04:28] <maltaethiron> ok, because i was about to throw my error into pastebin for you
[04:28] <intelikey> anssi_ if you want to wash linux from the system do it from M$   just like if you want to wash M$ from the system, do it from linux.
[04:28] <anssi_> yeah its on same drive as windows
[04:28] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Learning to use tab completion is your best friend when working in the terminal
[04:28] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: It's just like tab/nick completion here on IRC
[04:28] <maltaethiron> i hit the tab key, and all that happens is it beeps
[04:28] <anssi_> whats M$
[04:28] <larson9999> anssi_: i thought earlier you said you were going to install 32 bit kubuntu
[04:29] <larson9999> anssi M$=MS
[04:29] <intelikey> anssi_ micro $oft
[04:29] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Type: k3b  then hit the tab key a couple of times
[04:29] <anssi_> never too much trouble
[04:29] <maltaethiron> got it
[04:29] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories  http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Flash_Player_.28Macromedia_Flash.29_Plug-in_for_Mozilla_Firefox
[04:30] <maltaethiron> well kindof hawkwind
[04:30] <anssi_> what could be wrong i cant install java or flash that pisses me off cause i have multiverse enabled
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> !info toolchain-source
[04:30] <ubotu> toolchain-source: The GNU binutils and gcc source code. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.4-5 (dapper), package size 45824 kB, installed size 55240 kB
[04:30] <maltaethiron> i gotta go to work, it's 10:30 now, will you be on around 4:30?
[04:30] <larson9999> it's my guess that much of anssi_ problems are due to trying 64 bit.
[04:30] <MetaMorfoziS> intelikey: and did you tried any other dekstop environments? like gnome or blackbox?
[04:30] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: The command is actually k3bsetup
[04:30] <intelikey> anssi_ just be sure to fixmbr before you reboot, after you remove linux   or all it will do is    Grub error 21  or something.
[04:30] <larson9999> i could be wrong.  but don't you have chroot some of that in 64 bit?
[04:30] <intelikey> MetaMorfoziS yessir
[04:31] <abattoir> anssi_: do you have a 64-bit windows ?
[04:31] <MetaMorfoziS> and what is your test results?:D
[04:31] <anssi_> if i cant do anything with this system so why would i keep it?
[04:31] <anssi_> no
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> rolando: http://silicon-verl.de/home/flo/software/cross.html (that looks like it would work)
[04:31] <intelikey> gnome uses about 2m more than kde     bb much lighter  it will run in 16m
[04:31] <storm_> hello I have got flash but it won't work
[04:31] <maltaethiron> hawkwind: i gotta go now, we can try to tackle this whole thing later
[04:31] <anssi_> ehhehee
[04:32] <Hawkwind> maltaethiron: Ok.  Enjoy the work day
[04:32] <anssi_> i cant even get flash
[04:32] <maltaethiron> ehh, thanks
[04:32] <anssi_> or that java........argh
[04:32] <TheGateKeeper> storm give me a url
[04:32] <rolando> h3sp4wn: thanx a lot, i was about to kill myself reading among google groups
[04:32] <abattoir> anssi_: well, if you had that, you'd know it isnt a kubuntu problem... try the 32-bit version
[04:32] <rolando> ill give it a try
[04:32] <larson9999> CBTF I will say this there's no native 64bit version of flash. though you can get the 32bit version of it to run. Have a look at this Howto Install 32 bit Firefox with Flash w/sound and Java for AMD64
[04:32] <anssi_> yeah ill right now
[04:32] <anssi_> bye
[04:32] <intelikey> anssi_ if you don't like don't use it.   we don't all like the same thing  thats why more than one automobile exists
[04:33] <larson9999> anssi_: i think that's why you can't bit flash
[04:33] <intelikey> there is no 64bit flash
[04:33] <larson9999> anssi_ CBTF I will say this there's no native 64bit version of flash. though you can get the 32bit version of it to run. Have a look at this Howto Install 32 bit Firefox with Flash w/sound and Java for AMD64
[04:33] <anssi_> intelikey..thats not the problem...problem is java and flash
[04:34] <larson9999> anssi_: and other things too.  i think the deal is you just have to use 32 bit.
[04:34] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: got a working system??
[04:34] <intelikey> not my problem. i don't use java or flash.
[04:34] <intelikey> or a gui most of the time.
[04:34] <anssi_> yeah got it ill install ubuntu 32 right now
[04:35] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: she does but anssi_ is new and trying to use flash and java on 64 bit and having headaches
[04:35] <__osh__> there will be a 64-bit flash when enough windows users use 64-bit windows machines. :-/
[04:35] <ibert> I need a tool to escape unicade chars in a stream. any idea?
[04:35] <larson9999> TheFuzzball: actually just trying to INSTALL them
[04:35] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper:  actually just trying to INSTALL them
[04:35] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: larson9999 this is what you folks nedd :-) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:36] <anssi_> okay can i get in here from ubuntu?
[04:36] <intelikey> anssi_ na you should go back to windows for a while.  if you get board with it later on, then try linux again.  don't let these zealots talk you into something that will just frustrate you.
[04:36] <intelikey> but to answer yout Q yes you can.
[04:36] <storm__> oh and how does java work
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> There is nspluginwrapper (I have it working fine on dapper 64 bit)
[04:36] <intelikey> and there is also  #ubuntu
[04:36] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: just follow the instructions in that url, you will also need 32bit multimedia to get codecs to run correctly too
[04:37] <anssi_> linux dont frustrate me its fine but getting things to work does
[04:37] <intelikey> that's part of linux
[04:37] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: well, i'm not using 64bit.  i just figured anssi_ would have fewer headaches with 32 bit
[04:37] <larson9999> anssi_: don't let the naysayers like intelikey dissuade you either
[04:37] <storm__> 64 bit what
[04:37] <__osh__> TheGateKeeper: works but is hardly an elegant solution, no? More like a clever hack.
[04:38] <intelikey> Q. " what do linux users do ? "    A. " they install software. "
[04:38] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: just give the 34bit people that url, most of them go away happy :-)
[04:38] <anssi_> im followin gatekeepers instructions now
[04:38] <TheGateKeeper> 64bit even ooops
[04:39] <storm__> what is 64bit
[04:39] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: i'll use it myself maybe.  i just bought an amd64 but just used my old 32bit installation because i've heard there are plenty of headache with 64
[04:39] <storm__> oh
[04:39] <TheGateKeeper> __osh__: just means no one has bothered to port to 64bit
[04:39] <intelikey> storm__ k8
[04:39] <ibert> no idea?
[04:39] <storm__> k8 what
[04:39] <anssi_> now firefox is downloading
[04:39] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: but for people new to linux i figured if there are headaches and work around needed, maybe they should use 32bit for a while to get used to linux
[04:39] <ibert>  I need a tool to escape unicode chars in a stream. any idea?
[04:40] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: probable a good idea :-)
[04:40] <anssi_> lets see if i can get it working
[04:40] <larson9999> anssi_: go for it.  it'll be a good test
[04:40] <intelikey> ibert \ not work ?
[04:40] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: worked for others :-)
[04:41] <anssi_> how do i untar a file?
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> nspluginwrapper allows 32bit plugins to work fine with firefox 64 bit (maybe a bit of a pain to setup) but it works
[04:42] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: tar -xvf [filename] .tar tar -zxvf [filename] .tar.gz
[04:42] <ibert> intelikey: no, I need the conversion to \uXXXX
[04:42] <ibert> intelikey: for each single "special" unicode character...
[04:42] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: tar -xvf [filename] .tar OR  tar -zxvf [filename] .tar.gz
[04:43] <storm__> good bye
[04:43] <anssi_> okay thanks
[04:43] <dooglus> anssi_: just "tar xf file.tgz" or "tar xf file.tar".  don't bother remembering all the other options, you don't need them
[04:43] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Though the - is obsolete and is *not* needed anymore.  It's been obsolete for years so you can do tar xzvf filename.tar.gz /directory if you want
[04:44] <MetaMorfoziS> [16:33:36]  <intelikey> gnome uses about 2m more than kde     bb much lighter  it will run in 16m
[04:44] <MetaMorfoziS> 2megabytes more ? or 2 times?
[04:44] <storm__> oh and adept
[04:44] <intelikey> dooglus tar doesn't need compression switchs ?
[04:44] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: problems as far as I know mainly exist where software has not been ported to 64bit, so you have to install 32bit, not sure if problems extend to drivers etc
[04:44] <dooglus> intelikey: no, it doesn't.  just "x" to extract and "f" to tell it the filename
[04:45] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: another one to book mark :-) Windows to Ubuntu Transition Guide:http://www.pcmech.com/show/os/917/
[04:45] <anssi_> could you please write a complete command how to untar firefox1.5 i dont get it
[04:46] <intelikey> i think it stinks the way they are moving away from switch indicators -  --  to all arguments....
[04:46] <Hawkwind> dooglus: You have to specify x for .tar.gz or j for .tar.bz2 actually
[04:46] <dooglus> anssi_: to untar anything just type "tar xf " into a terminal, then the filename to untar
[04:46] <dooglus> Hawkwind: actually you don't.  read the docs
[04:46] <dooglus> Hawkwind: I think you meant 'z' for .tar.gz.  But you don't need it anyway.
[04:47] <Hawkwind> dooglus: Sorry, yes, z for .tar.gz and j for .tar.bz2
[04:47] <dooglus> Hawkwind: not needed
[04:47] <anssi_> firefox directory does not exist..and i just downloaded it
[04:47] <Hawkwind> hawkwind@Britannia:~$ tar xf downloads.tar.bz2 downloads/
[04:47] <Hawkwind> tari_: downloads.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[04:47] <Hawkwind> tari_: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Ackkk, sorry about the paste
[04:48] <Hawkwind> dooglus: Oops, that was the right channel
[04:48] <dooglus> Hawkwind: that's because you put "downloads/" at the end.
[04:48] <Hawkwind> dooglus: Because I want to tar a directory
[04:48] <dooglus> Hawkwind: we're talking about extracting tarfiles
[04:48] <Hawkwind> dooglus: downloads happens to be the directory I want to tar.  Therefore z and or j are needed
[04:48] <TheGateKeeper> anssi_: you doing it in /opt directory?
[04:48] <dooglus> you're using "x" - that means "extract"
[04:49] <intelikey> i just confirmed that compression switches are not needed for -x
[04:49] <Freddy2> hi
[04:49] <anssi_> ssshit
[04:49] <intelikey> any compression
[04:49] <anssi_> ooops
[04:49] <Hawkwind> dooglus: Ahhh, I read it as tarring files, sorry :P
[04:50] <dooglus> Hawkwind: so why specify the "x" flag then?
[04:50] <anssi_> i cant untar that firefox file aaaaaaaaaaargh
[04:50] <intelikey> and thankfully it's not reading the .ext to find the compression alg
[04:50] <anssi_> complete command for firefox-1.5
[04:50] <anssi_> please
[04:51] <dooglus> intelikey: it checks the first few bytes of the file to see what compression is used
[04:51] <anssi_> im so  stupid
[04:51] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Why don't you just install firefox with sudo apt-get install firefox ?
[04:51] <intelikey> anssi_ you have been told several times.    tar xf <filename>
[04:51] <bkudria> i just installed dapper on my hp pavilion dv6000, and startx gives me a black screen....what can i do?
[04:51] <intelikey> i would still say   tar -xf <filename>
[04:51] <fritsch> anssi_: if its a "tar.gz" do tar xvfz filename
[04:52] <anssi_> directory does not exist
[04:52] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Even the - is obsolete though. It hasn't been needed for years
[04:52] <Emess> well this sint good, still cant get transparency working
[04:52] <intelikey> fritsch no.   tar -xf file    for any tar archive.  with any compression  haven't you been paying attention.
[04:52] <anssi_> try to decide which one it is to untar a pakgage
[04:53] <Hawkwind> intelikey: But old habits are hard to break.  I don't think I could get used to not using all the switches for extracting a file that I've used for years
[04:53] <anssi_> !!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:53] <Hawkwind> anssi_: They all work
[04:53] <Hawkwind> anssi_: But again, why not use Kubuntu's package manager to install firefox for you instead of compiling it
[04:53] <fritsch> intelikey: okay, me reads the man
[04:54] <Freddy2> i've recently installed (the first time for me) a debian-based distro, exactly kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS, but when going to install ssh/ftp servers i wasnt able to do it.. searches with aptitude search were not giving any result, probably because i need to update the source.list for apt
[04:54] <anssi_> oh its installing it in the pagkage manager
[04:54] <fritsch> intelikey: the man page still says tar xvfz
[04:54] <Freddy2> where can i find updated sources for this?
[04:54] <dooglus> fritsch: the man page is just a stub.  the documentation is in texinfo format
[04:54] <intelikey> fritsch so the manual is old
[04:54] <Freddy2> (well, maybe "common" sources.. not only for this kind of servers)
[04:54] <Hawkwind> !repos > Freddy2
[04:55] <TheGateKeeper> Freddy2: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[04:55] <fritsch> dooglus: okay
[04:55] <Freddy2> ok thx
[04:55] <anssi_> now its installing it .)
[04:55] <Freddy2> !repos
[04:55] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:55] <kikowss> hi to all
[04:55] <dooglus> "info tar" tells me: "Reading compressed archive is even simpler: you don't need to specify any additional options as GNU `tar' recognizes its format automatically."
[04:55] <Hawkwind> Freddy2: I sent you the info in pm so you didn't have to do it here
[04:55] <kikowss> i need some help pls
[04:56] <fritsch> intelikey: even the help is wrong?tar -xf archive.tar          # Extract all files from archive.tar.
[04:56] <Freddy2> ok
[04:56] <abattoir> kikowss: what do you need help with?
[04:56] <fritsch> intelikey: cool feature without chaning help, man, etc.
[04:56] <anssi_> and the thing halted on java installation.....ive had enough of 64 bit kubuntu now...bye
[04:56] <fritsch> anssi_: don` t give up too early ...
[04:56] <kikowss> i can't run skype
[04:56] <anssi_> this is just a pile of shit
[04:56] <Hawkwind> anssi_: Please watch the language
[04:57] <fritsch> anssi_: okay, just ship me your Operating System and i` ll try yours
[04:57] <abattoir> kikowss: 32-bit or 64-bit?
[04:57] <intelikey> fritsch first thing i did was test all compression forms and extentions  then when confirmed, i jumped on the band wagon.
[04:57] <waspius> hey..when i get send an emotion through kopete and i save it how can i use it after?
[04:57] <fritsch> anssi_: you can only say shit to something, when you can make it better
[04:57] <kikowss> 32-bit
[04:57] <anssi_> blaaaah
[04:57] <fritsch> intelikey: okay
[04:57] <anssi_> had enough
[04:58] <fritsch> intelikey: it `s defenitely cool
[04:58] <abattoir> kikowss: you installed from the skype site(or canonical's repo)? do you get any errors when you run it from the terminal?
[04:58] <intelikey> yep.  but i still use switch indicators for all switches.  ;/
[04:58] <intelikey> more habbit than anything else.
[04:59] <intelikey> now  anybody know how i can make xdm let me login ?
[04:59] <kikowss> no but it's can't start ?? i don't know what to do
[04:59] <kikowss> it's very stupid
[05:00] <abattoir> kikowss: you still havent answered my questions... did you install from a .deb, or did you extract the tar version?
[05:00] <intelikey> xdm refuses to allow user login without a password  (null passwd)    any way to change this ?
[05:00] <kikowss> from deb
[05:01] <abattoir> kikowss: ok, so does running 'skype' in a terminal give you any errors?
[05:01] <kikowss> no
[05:01] <Jucato> grrr that was so annoying!
[05:01] <Jucato> I thought K3b was the one having problems...
[05:02] <abattoir> kikowss: so you run it... and nothing happens? do you get the prompt back?
[05:02] <Jucato> it turned out that my sister didn't burn a multisession disc like she insisted...
[05:02] <kikowss> no
[05:03] <intelikey> Question,   do i need ssh-agent to run for xfce to work properly ?
[05:03] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[05:04] <intelikey> friends and familey will get you every time.
[05:04] <Jucato> to think that I had to reboot into XP just to check with Nero... only to realize that the error was between the keyboard and the chair...
[05:04] <intelikey> pebcak  ?
[05:04] <tobias> omg! he said the X word!!?
[05:04] <tobias> :)
[05:05] <Jucato> lol! yeah I think I did... may the great penguin god forgive my sin
[05:05] <tobias> those two letters should never be combined in such an unholy way
[05:05] <intelikey> Qusetion.  where are the security settings for X ?
[05:06] <waspius> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages can someone help me with this cause i dont understand what to do?
[05:07] <abattoir> waspius: you just want to add his repo... right?
[05:07] <waspius> abattoir: add the repo and get the decs for dvd playing
[05:08] <bkudria> i just installed dapper on my hp pavilion dv6000, and startx gives me a black screen....what can i do?
[05:08] <abattoir> waspius: 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:08] <waspius> abattoir: yes
[05:08] <abattoir> waspius: aah, it is a useful repo, but if libdvdcss is the only thing you need, there is a script which fetches it
[05:09] <waspius> abattoir: i dont know what else it offers..but basically i think i only need libdvdcss
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[05:09] <abattoir> waspius: do you have libdvdread installed?
[05:09] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: i wonder if hercules will run on amd64.  i think i'll wait until i play with it more before i try switching
[05:10] <abattoir> waspius: libdvdread3 to be precise
[05:10] <waspius> abattoir: i think no
[05:10] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: thanx
[05:10] <abattoir> !info libdvdread3
[05:10] <ubotu> libdvdread3: Simple foundation for reading DVDs. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.4-5.1 (dapper), package size 51 kB, installed size 168 kB
[05:10] <abattoir> waspius: its in main, please install that...
[05:10] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: if you have repos problems try this:http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[05:11] <abattoir> waspius: i think the guide says the same... so you can follow it if you want
[05:11] <waspius> thanx allot
[05:11] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: are there any 64bit drivers for hercules??
[05:14] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: i don't know.  it's a mainframe emulator.
[05:15] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: stick with 32bit for a bit :-)
[05:15] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: yeah.
[05:16] <Kiongku> !krusader
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krusader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <Kiongku> !info krusader
[05:16] <ubotu> krusader: Twin-panel (commander-style) File Manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.60.1-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1940 kB, installed size 5280 kB
[05:16] <Emess> anyone know how to change konsole text colour?
[05:17] <m4g1c> settings --> schema
[05:17] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: do u know how i can make my trash to show when empty when full?cause now it only shows empty
[05:18] <Emess> scjema isnt helping...
[05:18] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: sorry I don't :-(
[05:18] <m4g1c> have u tried settings --> configure konsole
[05:19] <abattoir> Emess: Settings->Configure Konsole-> schema should give you more options
[05:19] <abattoir> heh
[05:19] <Emess> not for text colour tho
[05:20] <intelikey> Emess yes it's there.  first tab maybe.
[05:21] <intelikey> Emess you can change text colour background highlighted everything
[05:21] <intelikey> s/tab/button/
[05:22] <abattoir> Emess: changing konsole colour does nothing?(in the schema tab)
[05:22] <red> i need ati drivers
[05:22] <abattoir> !ati
[05:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <abattoir> red: ^^^ that might help you
[05:22] <SonicChao> Are there any good tablets for my Linux system? Not Tablet PCs, the things that you draw on.
[05:22] <red> abattoir:  tyvm
[05:22] <abattoir> red: np :)
[05:22] <abattoir> SonicChao: wacom ?
[05:23] <SonicChao> abattoir: Wacom?
[05:23] <SonicChao> ...?
[05:23] <Jucato> wacom tablet
[05:23] <Jucato> a dream that didn't become a reality last week... :-(
[05:23] <SonicChao> hm, never heard of it.
[05:23] <stray77> http://www.wacom.com/index2.cfm
[05:23] <Jucato> err...
[05:24] <Jucato> I thought Wacom is the most famous tablet manufacturer.. :-D
[05:24] <SonicChao> Sorry, I just needed one recently. =)
[05:24] <SonicChao> Don't know anything about tablets.
[05:24] <Jucato> ehehe! same here. All I know is that Wacom's seem to be the most recommended :-D
[05:26] <larson9999> i know two things about tablets: 1. i have 2 but no pens.  2. the ubuntu xorg.conf has plenty of lines dedicated to them even though none are plugged in.
[05:26] <Jucato> larson9999: yeah. at one point in Kubuntu, those lines were messing with my Xorg.conf
[05:26] <Jucato> and not allowing me to start X
[05:26] <stray77> There is an open source 3rd party driver for Linux that supports Intuos2, Graphire2, Graphire3 and Cintiq as well as older Wacom tablets.
[05:26] <SonicChao> larson9999: So, Tablets would work in Linux?
[05:26] <Jucato> whoa. how about Graphite 4?
[05:27] <larson9999> SonicChao: i haven't tried but from what i've read and seen they should work.
[05:27] <SonicChao> Yeah, I did the test to see which one I should get and is said Graphite 4
[05:27] <Jucato> darn! if only up to Graphite 3 is supported, I better start looking for one... most shops here just sell Graphite 4
[05:27] <stray77> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/
[05:27] <SonicChao> Jucato: eBay. =)
[05:27] <stray77> Supported USB Devices
[05:28] <stray77> Graphire 1, 2, 3 & 4
[05:28] <SonicChao> Ok, good.
[05:28] <SonicChao> So I'll be able to get a Wacom tablet.
[05:28] <SonicChao> Thanks!
[05:28] <Kiongku> i dutn have the money to get a tablet to play with :_:
[05:28] <Jucato> lol! If it were only possible for me to buy stuff online, I wouldn't be taking pains to look for a local shop :-D
[05:28] <Jucato> Kiongku: true. A tablet is something you usually don't buy to play with :-D
[05:28] <Tokeiito> hello
[05:29] <Kiongku> jucato: lol.. well the main i put linux.. is to play with it XD
[05:29] <Jucato> stray77: thanks for that link!
[05:29] <GravedeFins> Anyone know a good tutorial for setting up a Bluetooth Network, 2 computers ,1 acting as server for the other to acces the internet ?
[05:29] <SonicChao> XD Kiongku...I'll see what they cost on Wacom/ebay
[05:29] <Tokeiito> have such error message when try to load any X program from console:
[05:29] <TheFuzzball> hello, who can tell me how to install grub with /sbin/grub-install when I have 2 partitions?
[05:29] <SonicChao> =P
[05:29] <Jucato> Kiongku: ehehe! but Linux is free (at least most distros are :-D ). Tablets... well...
[05:29] <Tokeiito> Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[05:29] <Tokeiito> Error: Major opcode: 146
[05:29] <Tokeiito> Error: Minor opcode: 3
[05:29] <Tokeiito> Error: Resource id: 0x0
[05:29] <Tokeiito> Error: Failed to open device
[05:29] <SonicChao> !pastebin > Tokeiito
[05:29] <Tokeiito> how to fix this ***
[05:30] <SonicChao> Jucato: I'd never get an unfree distro.
[05:30] <Tokeiito> SonicChao: sory. i know pastebin, but there are only 5 lines.
[05:30] <Jucato> Tokeiito: do those programs still run, even with the error messages?
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Tokeiito: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:30] <Tokeiito> yes they run
[05:30] <abattoir> Tokeiito: Hawkwind has a link for it
[05:30] <cannonball> TheFuzzball: grub-install /dev/partition_mounted_as_root
[05:30] <abattoir> aah :D
[05:30] <Hawkwind> Tokeiito: Read that post on my forums
[05:30] <Alextremo> ((wenass))))))))
[05:30] <Jucato> SonicChao: I "couldn't" get an paid distro :-D
[05:30] <Tokeiito> Hawkwind: thank you
[05:31] <Hawkwind> Tokeiito: No problem
[05:31] <Jucato> *sigh*
[05:31] <Kiongku> Jucato: XD... i just hoped Cedega was free too :(( i have to switch to win each time i want play Guild wars ~_~
[05:31] <Hawkwind> abattoir: We need some info about that added to the bot
[05:31] <Jucato> isn't there a way for the system to modify xorg.conf,depending on whether or not a tablet is present/connected?
[05:31] <Jucato> Kiongku: Cedega CVS is free, though
[05:32] <TheFuzzball> cannonball: Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:32] <abattoir> Hawkwind: sure... but the ops dont seem to like me... whatever I add gets rejected... :(
[05:32] <Jucato> so many people have been complaining about this "false errors"...
[05:32] <Hawkwind> abattoir: How do you go about adding it ?
[05:32] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: Is /boot a seperate partition or part of the root partition?
[05:32] <D4rkly> hi i have created a share in the settings for vmware but when power up xp where can i find the vmware share ?
[05:32] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It seems several times a day they complain
[05:33] <Jucato> yeah. not that it's getting annoying, but I really pity them. imagine the stress and confusion it's causing
[05:33] <abattoir> Hawkwind: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:34] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I'll see what happens. I'll add it then possibly talk to nixternal or someone to verify it gets added
[05:34] <D4rkly> anyone know how i can access a share i created in vmware ?
[05:35] <abattoir> Hawkwind: i think imbrandon and Hobbsee have privs. too
[05:35] <SonicChao> O_O
[05:35] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: I think it depends how you set things up
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: what's this?
[05:35] <cannonball> D4rkly: NFS or Samba share?  NFS: machinename:/export   Samba: \\MACHINENAME\share
[05:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: could it be possible to have a sticky for that in Kubuntuforums as well?
[05:36] <abattoir> Hobbsee: about the addition of a ubotu factoid, which details how to get rid of the X error messages(wacom) those are printed out
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: We got a lot of users complaining about the Bad Device Errors and I've got a how-to on my forums to fix it.  I just added the fact to the bot if you could approve it
[05:36] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: Grub thinks /boot is a seperate partition.  I'm asking you if you set it up that way.
[05:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: You want me to post it on the Kubuntu forums ?
[05:36] <SonicChao> Jucato: There are great deals for tablets on eBay
[05:36] <D4rkly> cannonball i am using vmware run run XP and in the vmware settings i chose to share a folder off linux filesystem to share with vmware but dont know where to find it ?
[05:37] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: I can paste it to you in pm if that would help you
[05:37] <SonicChao> Jucato: eBay wants $50 while the Wacom store wants $200
[05:37] <Jucato> Hawkwind: if you wouldn't mind. or just a link to your forum if you want. A lot of people have been asking about it there, too
[05:37] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh, ok... i though i'd seen a few entries that you had added...
[05:37] <stray77> If you've done the VMWare Server settings right all you have to do is to create a network share in (virtual) Windows and then go to the 'Places' menu and look under 'Network Servers'.
[05:37] <springman> !ati
[05:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: true.  or just  put it in again
[05:37] <stray77> You should be able to find all available Windows shares under there including the one from your vitual PC on your virtual network
[05:37] <Hobbsee> abattoir: i do have access - i wasnt in the channel though, so didnt see it
[05:37] <Jucato> SonicChao: like I said, online instructions for me are quite unfeasible/improbable/impossible :-D
[05:38] <cannonball> D4rkly:  I think you have the wrong interpretation of the word "share".  I'm no vmware expert though, so I'll wait and see if someone else can answer it before I give my thoughts on it.
[05:38] <cannonball> D4rkly: If you selected share folder from within windows, then you could use something like smb4k to browse to that share.
[05:39] <D4rkly> vmware has a share folder setting
[05:39] <cannonball> D4m4ge: But you said you chose to share a folder "in vmware settings".  I'm not sure exactly what that means.
[05:39] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Hobbsee to the rescue for us :)
[05:39] <cannonball> someone with more vmware experience will have to help you with that.
[05:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: abattoir:  For future references, it should be !bad device error
[05:39] <waspius> what is the difference between kdesu,sudo and su?
[05:40] <D4rkly> if you edit the xp vm's settings the go to options there is a shared folders options in which you can choose a linux folder to share but i just cant find in in xp
[05:41] <cannonball> waspius: In a very generic nutshell, sudo allows you to do things as root (or as whatever user is specified in the sudo config file) without having to know that user's password.  You only need to verify that you are who you say you are by using _your_ password, instead of that target user's.
[05:41] <Jucato> !kdesu
[05:41] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:41] <Jucato> !sudo
[05:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:41] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: going to have answer your question with a question. What are you trying to do?
[05:41] <Jucato> !su
[05:41] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:41] <Jucato> err... no entry for su. lol
[05:41] <waspius> :
[05:41] <waspius> :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> !bad device error is <reply>If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:42] <ubotu> ('bad device error', 's!.*!<reply>If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0!')
[05:42] <Hobbsee> !bad device error is <reply> If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:42] <ubotu> ('bad device error', 's!.*!<reply> If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0!')
[05:42] <Jucato> I think "su" is used to log in as any user, you have to specify, though, otherwise it tries to login as the root user by default.
[05:43] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: trying to figure out if your /boot is a seperate partition than your /, because grub thinks it is and can't find the device (/dev/whatever) that it thinks /boot is mounted with.
[05:43] <BloodyNO> I just installed Sun JRE and Opera browser's text is completely blurry - does anyone recognizes this problem?
[05:43] <Jucato> so "su <username>" will try to log you in as  <username> in the command line. but plain "su" will try to log you in as root
[05:43] <Jucato> but since Ubuntu doesn't have a root account by default, "su" will not normally work (unless you enable a root account)
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Jucato: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7964  I can't make it sticky on the Kubuntu forums unfortunately but it's there
[05:44] <Hobbsee> !baddeviceerror is <reply> If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0
[05:44] <ubotu> ('baddeviceerror', 's!.*!<reply> If you are receiving the warning messages similar to: Error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 then please follow this how-to to solve the problem:  http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=579.0!')
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: still borked.
[05:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: cool! thanks for that. I'll try asking one of the mods to make it a sticky
[05:45] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: well on my pc you will have the MBR that grub will use to start the OS off, a swap partition, root partition and home partition, as far as I am aware /boot would be in the root partition on my pc
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Chop the bots head off, maybe that will help :P
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:45] <Jucato> lol
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: or the guy who wrote the bot
[05:45] <Hobbsee> i think that would be against the CoC though....
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Who can we report this problem to ?
[05:46] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: try added --recheck  to the grub-install commandline to make it rescan for devices.
[05:46] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: Also, put your /etc/grub/menu.lst into a pastebin and let us take a look at it.
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: We could chop his head off with all due respect.  In a positive manner :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: seveas?  i'll whine at him when i next see him
[05:46] <Hobbsee> if i remember
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:46] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: that's not to say some put /boot in a seperate partition
[05:46] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: while you're at it, put 'cat /proc/mounts' into that pastebin too.
[05:46] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: and 'cat /etc/fstab'
[05:47] <Jucato> how do you chop one's head off with all due respect? "Oh, excuse me, but we would like to respectfully chop off your head.Please do not try to move, as we do not with to make a mess. We will try to make it as swift and painless as possible. Thank you for your cooperation."
[05:47] <Jucato> s/with/wish
[05:47] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Exactly.  Then we shouldn't be violating the CoC :P
[05:48] <Jucato> right... the CoC doesn't mention anything about online/virtual homicide, right?
[05:48] <Jucato> lol
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It probably will after we get done though
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:49] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20893
[05:49] <D4rkly> anyone got WoW working in wine if i use -opengl it wont load
[05:52] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: and when you do a grub-install, you're doing 'grub-install /dev/hda2' or 'grub-install /dev/hda'?
[05:52] <cannonball> Add to that pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:52] <larson9999> D4rkly: i think darrkness said he did.  i htink these are the sites he said worked for him: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50414 http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3149&sid=ad258914a9a2c11baf1ab86a0b7abfbe
[05:53] <larson9999> D4rkly: he said that 2nd was for cedaga but it worked in wine
[05:53] <D4rkly> ok cool :) thx
[05:53] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: hmm never had to do one, I would have thought  /dev/hda what does the documentation say?
[05:53] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: the documentation just says "put it where you need it".  We're trying to determine which one you need it to be.
[05:54] <larson9999> D4rkly: i copied the links because i'm going to give it a try but i haven't yet
[05:54] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: put your /boot/grub/menu.lst into the pastebin so I can look and see how grub is configured.
[05:54] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: probable need to ask someone with more knowledge than me :-)
[05:54] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: ok
[05:56] <gan|y|med> hello
[05:56] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20894
[05:57] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: let me know what works :-)
[05:57] <gan|y|med> how is the ipw2200 (wlan) firmware implemented in ubuntu? i have my own kernel, but there is no hotplug dir to put the firmware into. but the standard kernel works with wlan.
[05:58] <waspius> do u know how to setup hotmail with thunderbird?
[05:59] <Hawkwind> waspius: Get yourself a Gmail account and leave hotmail for Windows users :)
[05:59] <waspius> Hawkwind: :) i cannot cause i have it for many years
[06:00] <Hawkwind> waspius: You can forward your hotmail email to another email account IIRC
[06:00] <waspius> Hawkwind: is that good?
[06:01] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: want an gmail invite?
[06:02] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: sure
[06:02] <Hawkwind> waspius: If you can forward it from hotmail, I surely would
[06:02] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: pm me a email address to send it to
[06:02] <waspius> ok
[06:03] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: do u pay for iirc?
[06:03] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: no!
[06:03] <gan|y|med> how is wlan firmware implemented in ubuntu? udev?
[06:04] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: I am a yorkshire, don't pay b****er all if I don't have to :-)
[06:04] <Tokeiito> could any one give name of good RPG or Strategic game for linux. Now i'm playing freeciv, but it become boring...
[06:05] <Tokeiito> tryed planeshift, but my graphic card is too week for it
[06:05] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: lol..which is the webpage for it?
[06:05] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: for what?
[06:05] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: iirc
[06:06] <waspius> cant seem to find it
[06:07] <TheGateKeeper> waspius: this what you are after?? http://f0rked.com/articles/irssi
[06:08] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[06:08] <waspius> TheGateKeeper: yep thanx
[06:09] <larson9999> Tokeiito: have you looked in the linux game tomb?
[06:09] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: had to use the command line in windows today, dreadfull, bash has spoilt me :-)
[06:09] <Ace2005> Windows has a command line?
[06:09] <trappist> Ace2005: sort of
[06:10] <TheGateKeeper> Ace2005: debatable :-)
[06:10] <Tokeiito> tomb?
[06:10] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: well, if you HAVE to use windows, put some unix commands on.  you can get it looking pretty close to *nix
[06:10] <TheGateKeeper> Ace2005: trappist a bad excuse for one
[06:10] <Ace2005> Maybe its just never used i guess
[06:11] <larson9999> Ace2005: you were serious?  sure it's got a command line.
[06:11] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: hmmm that's a good idea
[06:11] <Ace2005> yes i am serious
[06:11] <Freddy2> larson9999: not so close.. but gnu command line utils for windows (including also bash) does its job "great"
[06:11] <trappist> it's not terribly useful
[06:11] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: there are lots of the linux commands that have been ported.  shells, too.
[06:12] <Ace2005> i just type stuff like ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx in the run boc
[06:12] <trappist> yeah if you install cygwin suddenly it's not so bad
[06:12] <larson9999> Freddy2: well, kinda close.  windwos will never be linux.
[06:12] <larson9999> trappist: i was talking withough cygwin
[06:12] <larson9999> without
[06:12] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: interesting idea, but using konsol is just a much more pleasent experience
[06:13] <Ace2005> Yup i like konsole
[06:13] <trappist> larson9999: yeah there are ways to get this and that unix cli utility, but if you install cygwin you get pretty much everything you'd want
[06:13] <Freddy2> i'd like to have a multi-tab konsole for windows, but.. xD
[06:13] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: i just meant if you HAVE to like for work etc.  i had to do some bat files at work so i installed sed, et al to make things sane.
[06:14] <larson9999> trappist: yeah but sometimes you can't install cygwin.  and i was just pointing out that even if you can't use cygwin you can still do a lot to make the command prompt reasonable.  that's all
[06:15] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: I am in the same position, my primary OS at home is now linux, but at work I still have to use windows
[06:15] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: i don't want that to change really.  windows has made me a lot of money :)
[06:15] <waspius> i installed thunderbird and now i cannot remove it...apt-get remove thunderbird shows that it is not installed and adept shows it is not installed..but it is still in the menu and it still works
[06:16] <Ace2005> waspius: Install it again and then remove it
[06:16] <waspius> ok
[06:16] <larson9999> waspius: did you install it outside of apt?
[06:16] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: alright for everyone else :-) :-)
[06:16] <Kiongku> hey ppl. u know where qt-config is found?
[06:16] <waspius> larson9999: yes
[06:16] <west-en> can i get help with midi?
[06:17] <gebruiker123> how much memmory is needed for Kubuntu?
[06:17] <epyfro> 256
[06:17] <epyfro> mg
[06:17] <larson9999> waspius: if you installed it without using apt, it won't think it's installed and you'll have to uninstall without apt, too.  afiak
[06:17] <gebruiker123> epyfro: you use 256?
[06:17] <TheGateKeeper> gebruiker123: works on my test box P3, 12Mb RAM 20Gb HDD
[06:17] <Freddy2> epyfro: 256 without X running?
[06:17] <waspius> larson9999: so what should i do???apt-get remove thunderbird does not work
[06:18] <epyfro> no i use 2g
[06:18] <TheGateKeeper> 128Mb RAM ooops can't type today
[06:18] <gebruiker123> i have 256 here and kde is slow as hell
[06:18] <epyfro> yep
[06:18] <larson9999> waspius: check out the thunderbird site and see how it says to uninstall it.
[06:18] <gebruiker123> why?
[06:18] <waspius> ok
[06:18] <gebruiker123> kde should run smooth right?
[06:18] <waspius> thanx
[06:18] <Freddy2> sure.. kde uses lots of resources
[06:18] <gebruiker123> (with 256 mb..)
[06:18] <Ace2005> Its not called thunderbird is it? isn't it mozilla-thunderbird or something?
[06:18] <gebruiker123> so why is 256 not enough?
[06:19] <TheGateKeeper> gebruiker123: can be a bit resource hungry
[06:19] <gebruiker123> konquror is slow
[06:19] <gebruiker123> (in starting)
[06:19] <waspius> Ace2005: yes i think u r right
[06:19] <waspius> thanx
[06:19] <gebruiker123> so why does kubuntu say 256 mb needed?
[06:19] <Freddy2> you'll have to upgrade your system, or move to another lighter desktop
[06:19] <larson9999> Ace2005: oh yeah waspius if you installed via apt, it's called mozilla-thunderbird and not thunderbird
[06:19] <waspius> ok i removed it
[06:19] <TheGateKeeper> gebruiker123: what processor?
[06:19] <pierreth> hello, how can I add an icon to a kicker menu item?
[06:20] <gebruiker123> TheGateKeeper: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz
[06:21] <TheGateKeeper> pierreth: right click Menu editor
[06:21] <Freddy2> celeron sux
[06:21] <Kiongku> got 1 Gb ram.. no prob
[06:21] <Kiongku> and yeah celeron sucks.
[06:21] <trappist> pierreth: run kmenuedit and edit the entry
[06:21] <dooglus> gebruiker123: I'm running KDE, firefox, evolution, emacs, mplay, konsole and gaim - it's using 277mB in totaol.
[06:22] <gebruiker123> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz | 256 mb | 38GB
[06:22] <dooglus> gebruiker123: 2.2GHz Intel P4
[06:22] <waspius> is there a way to make the auto run to show any program i want in it?ie if i input a dvd to get xine to start?
[06:22] <gebruiker123> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.53GHz | 256 mb | 38GB  (Should it be that it takes quite a while to fireup konq or firefox?
[06:22] <gebruiker123> )
[06:23] <pierreth> trappist: there is no way to add on icon with this editor
[06:23] <TheGateKeeper> true also with my P3 box
[06:23] <Freddy2> without using amarok and akregator you shouldn't have much problems when using kde, i think
[06:24] <trappist> pierreth: but there is.  you click the square where you would see the item's icon if it already had one, and you get an icon selection interface
[06:25] <pierreth> trappist: ok, I see!
[06:25] <gebruiker123> TheGateKeeper: what does you hdparm output look like?
[06:26] <Kiongku> Freddy2: nice.. makes me remember to start my amarok for some music XD
[06:26] <Freddy2> xD
[06:27] <gebruiker123>  Timing cached reads:   1152 MB in  2.01 seconds = 574.36 MB/sec
[06:27] <gebruiker123>  Timing buffered disk reads:   46 MB in  3.04 seconds =  15.15 MB/sec
[06:27] <gebruiker123> TheGateKeeper: normal?
[06:27] <TheGateKeeper> gebruiker123: sorry no idea, haven't got my test box connected up at the moment
[06:27] <Freddy2> gebruiker123: and of course don't use superkaramba if you have a high cpu usage
[06:27] <larson9999> big day today... going to install linux on my wife's laptop
[06:28] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: does she know?
[06:28] <Freddy2> xDD
[06:28] <gebruiker123> Freddy2: i don't use superkaramba just default kubuntu settings
[06:28] <gebruiker123>  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT82 <-- my hd
[06:28] <larson9999> lol@ TheGateKeeper: yeah.  just on an external hd.  but i've been prepping her for the idea for years
[06:29] <gebruiker123> [  177.803552]  VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:
[06:30] <pierreth> is there a version of konsole that is less buggy?
[06:30] <gebruiker123> aterm?
[06:30] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: still got her comfort zone then lol
[06:30] <Freddy2> konsole buggy? what kde version?
[06:31] <pierreth> Freddy2: how can i know?
[06:32] <Freddy2> at konqueror/konsole, help / about kde
[06:32] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: keep threatening my other half with a linux install of her laptop :-)
[06:32] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: yeah, but she has used linux off and on for a while.  i'm setting up a separate machine that will only run mainframe emulator that we'll also network into so hopefully soon enough this house will be very close to most of the enviroments i've worked in.
[06:32] <pierreth> Freddy2: i don't have the konsole
[06:33] <Freddy2> not konqueror or any other k-app too?
[06:33] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: cool :-)
[06:33] <pierreth> Freddy2: 3.5.2 from konqueror
[06:33] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: she has masters in CIS(i think that's right) but doesn't work and doesn't really want to 'practice' but i'm doing my best to make her.  i've finally got her convinced start a project that makes toddler levels for OSS games that include level editors.
[06:34] <Freddy2> hmm what do you mean "buggy"?
[06:34] <pierreth> Freddy2: you type a loooong line, it continues on the same lines instead of going down
[06:35] <dooglus> pierreth: doesn't that depend what program you're running inside it?
[06:35] <Freddy2> i had never seen it before..
[06:35] <pierreth> dooglus: no, i don't this problem with Terminal from xfce
[06:36] <Freddy2> but this appears only using bash inside konsole? that's a bit strange
[06:36] <pierreth> dooglus: using bash for example
[06:36] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: CIS??
[06:37] <pierreth> Freddy2: i don't know....
[06:37] <Freddy2> pierreth: try to upgrade to 3.5.4, or simply post a new bug at kde's site
[06:37] <Freddy2> what distro are you using?
[06:37] <larson9999> TheGateKeeper: computer major.  i didn't go to college and don't listen well to my wife so i don't know the acronym  :)
[06:37] <pierreth> Freddy2: ok, is 3.5.4 ready for production?
[06:38] <TheGateKeeper> larson9999: we all suffer from that one (not lisening to hard :-) )
[06:38] <Freddy2> 3.5.4 is better than 3.5.3, and this one is better than 3.52, and so on
[06:38] <pierreth> ok
[06:38] <Freddy2> *3.5.2
[06:38] <larson9999> one thing i notice in 3.5.4 is that progress bars extend beyond their boundaries
[06:39] <pierreth> Freddy2: i should go to the kde website and see how to upgrade?
[06:39] <enzo> I cannot log into my desktop. It keeps looping to my login screen
[06:39] <larson9999> maybe progress bar isn't the proper term
[06:39] <Freddy2> what distro are you using?
[06:39] <enzo> any ideas?
[06:39] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: Sorry for the delay, had something to attend to.
[06:39] <pierreth> Freddy2: Kubuntu
[06:39] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: you winning?
[06:39] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: your config looks ok.  Unless /dev/hda and /dev/hda2 don't exist, I'm not sure what the problem is.
[06:40] <TheGateKeeper> pierreth: use the (k)ubuntu wiki site
[06:40] <TheGateKeeper> pierreth: there is a repo for 3.5.4
[06:40] <pierreth> TheGateKeeper: Ok
[06:40] <Freddy2> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[06:42] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: try download gparted livecd see what it makes of it, can you backup and reinstall as a last resort?
[06:42] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: you using SATA?
[06:43] <Cavallo> hi
[06:43] <Cavallo> how I can connect to vpn netwrok at workplace ?
[06:44] <TheGateKeeper> Cavallo: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_Configure_and_start_PPTP_tunnels_.28VPN.29
[06:44] <pierreth> TheGateKeeper: how can I use the package file?
[06:45] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: no, we use scsi only.
[06:45] <TheGateKeeper> add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: I'm a little confused now.  Why are you asking me questions?  My system is working fine.  We're trying to fix your grub install problem.  No?
[06:45] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: not a driver problem so not recognising your HDD correctly??
[06:46] <pierreth> TheGateKeeper: you mean append the file?
[06:46] <cannonball> trappist: Holy cow.  It's been years since I've seen you around.  Good to see you're still alive!
[06:47] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: I haven't got a grub install problem, think you have picked on the wrong person, I thought it was you with the problem :-)
[06:47] <Freddy2> haha
[06:48] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: woundered why that question came out of the blue :-)
[06:48] <Kiongku> anyone konws where i can find the qtconfig in kubuntu?
[06:48] <cannonball> TheGateKeeper: you're right, it was TheFuzzBall (nick completion bangs me this time) :-)
[06:49] <GameX> zxc
[06:49] <TheGateKeeper> cannonball: close :-)
[06:49] <Freddy2> Kiongku: a common place is /usr/lib/qt3/bin, but try find
[06:49] <Kiongku> i cant find the bin
[06:50] <Roman> sdsd
[06:50] <nagyv> hello! how can I kill a defunct program (Skype) that uses my sound device?
[06:50] <Roman> chil
[06:51] <Roman> wy can skype not share my sound device with other programs
[06:51] <trappist> cannonball!
[06:51] <trappist> cannonball: so you've found the light too, eh?
[06:51] <cannonball> Long time no see.  Join the #Kubuntu-Offtopic channel, let's catch up?
[06:51] <roberto1> HElp my os crashes due to kernel32.dll
[06:51] <Freddy2> wtf?
[06:51] <roberto1> in wine
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> roberto1, oh
[06:52] <roberto1> in wine
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> i was about to call you a super n00b
[06:52] <Freddy2> xD
[06:52] <roberto1> why Admiral_Chicago ?
[06:52] <pierreth> TheGateKeeper: OK
[06:52] <nagyv> Roman: because it is buggy, but there are several wrappers/workarounds
[06:52] <Admiral_Chicago> because i thought you were asking for help in a linux room for some windows error
[06:52] <roberto1> Admiral_Chicago,  how is Jerry SPringer doing?
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> roberto1, i have no idea, i don't use wine
[06:53] <roberto1> beer only huh?
[06:53] <roberto1> :P
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> I don't think he's on, but I'm not exactly looking for him
[06:53] <roberto1> oh
[06:54] <luizhenriqueunic> galera
[06:54] <luizhenriqueunic> alguem pode me ajudar
[06:55] <Freddy2> si hablas en ingles.. seguramente
[06:56] <juanchinho> hello
[06:56] <Roman> nagyv i dont understond
[06:56] <wind> is it possible to install ubuntu alongside kubuntu?
[06:57] <wind> then switch between the two
[06:57] <wind> so i don't lose all the settings and whatnot on kubuntu
[06:58] <jeff_hann> wind: why not install gnome-desktop?
[06:58] <nagyv> Roman: what? google for skype_dsp_hijacker and look at http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=48195
[06:58] <D4rkly> you should be able to put in on another drive or create more partitions. you may need to reconfigure grub though
[06:58] <wind> i can do that?
[06:58] <jeff_hann> of course
[06:59] <nagyv> Roman: the tips&tricks can be useful here http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kopete%20skype/#cp-content too
[06:59] <jeff_hann> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop
[06:59] <wind> how
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> wind, you could dual boot?
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> oh wait, yea you can
[06:59] <wind> yeah
[06:59] <wind> i want to duel boot
[06:59] <wind> dual
[06:59] <pierreth> TheGateKeeper: i will wait for the upgrade, it is too complicated :-(
[06:59] <Admiral_Chicago> resize your partition, then install ubuntu as regular
[07:00] <nagyv> Roman: I have found these steps. Until today I used the dsp_hijacker, I tryed to switch to the forum's solutions, but I am not really satisfied albeit its first nice results.
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> then in konsole type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> wind, i think you can also make it so your settings stay on one part
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> just log in in Gnome or KDE depending
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> unless you want different settings and date....
[07:00] <wind> i have kubuntu right now
[07:00] <wind> i want to have ubuntu too?
[07:00] <wind> can both share everything i've done?
[07:01] <wind> same bookmarks, same settings, codecs, etc
[07:01] <waspius> anyone play cs ?
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> wind, yea just install Gnome by doing apt-get install gnome-desktop I think...
[07:02] <wind> k
[07:02] <jeff_hann> and switch from kdm
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> check in adept/synaptic
[07:03] <wind> would it let me change through the login manager?
[07:03] <wind> like when i reboot, i get the login screen then i can pick kubuntu or ubuntu
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> yea
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> log in as Gnome or KDE
[07:04] <Kiongku> anyone compiled krusader here?
[07:04] <roberto1> does xgl work with kde?
[07:05] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Why would you need to compile it ?  Just sudo apt-get install krusader
[07:05] <roberto1> FRIENDS!!!!!!
[07:05] <roberto1> FELLOW GEEKS!! :P
[07:05] <Hawkwind> roberto1: Easy on the caps
[07:05] <roberto1> ok :)
[07:05] <roberto1> soz
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> does anyone know the font used in the ubuntu logo
[07:06] <Hawkwind> !xgl > roberto1
[07:06] <nagyv> !xgl > nagyv
[07:06] <TheFuzzball> how do I upgrade from KDE 3.5.2 to 3.5.4 in Dapper
[07:06] <Hawkwind> TheFuzzball: Add the right sources to your sources.list
[07:07] <Roman> nagyv no not skype for google
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> TheFuzzball, kubuntu.or
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> kubuntu.org
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> add the key
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> and add the line to your sources.list
[07:07] <nagyv> Roman: sorry, what not for what? :)
[07:08] <Hawkwind> TheFuzzball: # kubuntu.org packages for the latest KDE version (packages, GPG key: DD4D5088)
[07:08] <Hawkwind> #deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[07:09] <trappist> so, gpg --recv-keys DD4D5088; gpg --export --armour DD4D5088 > kubuntu.asc; sudo apt-key add kubuntu.asc
[07:15] <jaspreet> hi
[07:18] <gabriel> hi?
[07:20] <wind> ok i installed ubuntu now what
[07:20] <wind> do i have to setup a login or can i use the one i have now
[07:20] <magda> halo?
[07:21] <gabriel> I have problems installing a wireless internet conection on my hp nx 6125, does anyone knows how to solve this problem??
[07:21] <gabriel> I've checked tutorials on the web but they didn't work
[07:23] <nagyv> winxpert: you can use the same one
[07:24] <nagyv> winxpert: sorry, I wanted to reply to wind
[07:33] <juan> Is there any way to export the mail in Evolution or Thunderbird in something like the PST's of Outlook?
[07:35] <nnn0> hm i'm having trouble getting vsftpd to work, anyone done this ?
[07:36] <Hawkwind> nnn0: Curious...why are you using vsftpd instead of proftpd ?
[07:36] <nnn0> hm why would i do that ?
[07:36] <MitchM> its easier.
[07:36] <Hawkwind> It's easier, and more popular.
[07:36] <nnn0> i don't want easy, i want secure :)
[07:37] <nnn0> hm
[07:37] <Hawkwind> It happens to be very secure
[07:37] <yml> hello
[07:37] <nnn0> k
[07:37] <MitchM> its only as secure as _you_ make it
[07:37] <nnn0> maybe i should give it a go, but i'm just so used to vsftpd :)
[07:37] <MitchM> ftp is ftp
[07:37] <aliasfred> q. is there a way to redirect the output of a program in the input of anot\her ? ala jack ?
[07:37] <nnn0> ehehe
[07:38] <yml> I would like to start a bash file each time I am loging in. This bash file define the xmodmap configuration.
[07:38] <aliasfred> yml, in .bashrc or /etc/profile
[07:38] <yml> Does someone could tell me what is the ubuntu way of doing this.
[07:39] <dooglus> yml: what do you mean by "logging in"?
[07:39] <fritsch> dooglus: i think when logging into kde session
[07:39] <yml> dooglus> I mean each time I am do a "login"
[07:40] <fritsch> yml: there is a difference, text-login, graphical login
[07:40] <fritsch> yml: but if you want to load "xmodmap" i think it is X
[07:40] <yml> aliasfred>so far there is no .bashrc so I have created a .xmodmaprc
[07:41] <dooglus> yml: you run the "login" command?  or you use kdm?  or gdm?  or what?
[07:41] <fritsch> yml: you could just place this script into ~/.kde/Autostart/
[07:41] <yml> fritsch> yes it is x "login"
[07:41] <dooglus> if you're talking about logging in using the graphical kdm login screen, then .bashrc won't help you, 'cos bash isn't involved in the process
[07:41] <yml> fritsch> this is what I was loking for
[07:42] <yml> ~/.kde/Autostart/
[07:42] <fritsch> yml: mmh, this is only for your user ... look, that the script is executable (chmod +x)
[07:42] <Freddy2> and you can also create ~/.kde/shutdown/ if you want to
[07:42] <yml> fritsch> it is already
[07:43] <yml> very interesting
[07:43] <fritsch> yml: it is working?
[07:43] <roberto> Do you guys no what happend in 1997 between Steve Jobs and Bill Gates when MS invested 150 million in apple? I do Mac OSx will be apple to run xp apps without running xp by implementing a windows api layer in OSX 10.5
[07:43] <yml> btw what is katapult?
[07:43] <roberto> running xp apps w/o getting infected :o
[07:43] <fritsch> yml: Press ALT SPACE
[07:44] <yml> nice picture
[07:44] <roberto> yml i lub u :0
[07:44] <yml> is there something usefull?
[07:44] <fritsch> yml: now press a command like k3b or so
[07:44] <Freddy2> roberto: m$ owns near 40% of apple.. apple is not a far different company
[07:44] <fritsch> yml: now type i mean
[07:44] <roberto> Freddy2 but if the rumors are true i am getting a mac
[07:45] <fritsch> yml: it` s a quick starter for applications a katapult ;-)
[07:45] <joscha> does anybody know of amarok 1.4.2b1 debs for kubuntu?
[07:45] <roberto> running xp apps on mac w/o xp
[07:45] <Freddy2> it's your choice..
[07:45] <yml> fritsch> I do not understand what do you mean by press a command
[07:45] <roberto> is great
[07:45] <roberto> ;o
[07:45] <roberto> =p
[07:45] <fritsch> yml: press alt space
[07:45] <fritsch> yml: after that type: k3b
[07:45] <fritsch> yml: press enter
[07:45] <roberto> best of both worlds
[07:45] <fritsch> yml: now clear?
[07:45] <roberto> and open source can also run on it
[07:46] <Freddy2> why i would need xp apps, having linux apps? for those certain unable at linux you can try crossover, so.. why mac? i don't need it at all
[07:46] <fritsch> roberto: it`s so cool, that you could create an own channel on irc for it?
[07:46] <Freddy2> xD
[07:46] <fritsch> :-)
[07:46] <roberto> http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/
[07:47] <roberto> :P
[07:47] <yml> fritsch> yes very nice
[07:48] <roberto> fritsch,  i lub u2 btw :0
[07:50] <fritsch> roberto: thx
[07:51] <roberto> Does anybody use crossover to run office on linux?
[07:51] <roberto> from codeweavers?
[07:51] <yml> fritsch> Autostart is a folder so I should drop my script in it, isnt it?
[07:51] <fritsch> roberto: www.openoffice.org
[07:51] <fritsch> yml: yes
[07:52] <roberto> fritsch,
[07:52] <roberto> office is the standard
[07:52] <roberto> and better than openoffice
[07:53] <fritsch> roberto: better is no relation like ">" in math
[07:53] <fritsch> roberto: so at least you have to do "structural induction"
[07:53] <ballchalk> hello
[07:53] <roberto> more functionality and compatibility with existing fileformats
[07:53] <MitchM> hah.
[07:53] <roberto> thus more efficient
[07:53] <MitchM> openoffice > m$ office :-)
[07:53] <Freddy2> hoho
[07:53] <Toti85> die im #ubuntu.de laestern ueber kde T_T
[07:53] <intelikey> ooh  poo    what was that problem in /dev again when k3b cant find any scsi purner ?
[07:53] <ballchalk> i'm using windows 2003 and i thot it was superior to linux until i spent 5 hours doing my laptop
[07:54] <fritsch> roberto: compatibility *G* - the whole world has to be compatible to them ...
[07:54] <roberto> damn you open source zea lots :'(
[07:54] <roberto> you made me cry :'(
[07:54] <intelikey> what is the scsi control devices ?
[07:54] <fritsch> stop talking to him ;-) he just wants this
[07:54] <Freddy2> fritsch: sure
[07:54] <MitchM> affirm.
[07:54] <ballchalk> how often does ubuntu updates new versions?
[07:54] <roberto> True or False: open source is for people that can't afford a macintosh?
[07:54] <fritsch> Freddy2: MitchM: We could play a game
[07:54] <roberto> :D
[07:54] <MitchM> sounds good.
[07:55] <intelikey> ballchalk 6 month
[07:55] <MitchM> what did you have in mind?
[07:55] <fritsch> What would you buy, if you had 150 euro + 220 euro (which you did not pay to M$ OS and Office)?
[07:55] <fritsch> no sorry, we leave him alone, this would be better
[07:55] <intelikey> roberto true or false you are just here to troll ?
[07:55] <Freddy2> TRUE! xD
[07:55] <ballchalk> intelikey i'm downloading kubuntu 6.06 and would it be easy to upgrade like recompiling kernel? htis is something i know nothing about
[07:56] <roberto> inc|freaky, FALSE
[07:56] <MitchM> ballchalk: It is easy to upgrade from one to the other.
[07:56] <roberto> intelikey, FALSE*
[07:56] <intelikey> ballchalk no recompiling at all.   just two commands to upgrade.
[07:56] <inc|freaky> roberto: oO
[07:56] <ballchalk> for example if i am using 6.06 and 6.08 comes out....is there a great difference? how easy will i be able to patch to 6.08?
[07:56] <fritsch> roberto: i think the "*" point to TRUE
[07:56] <ballchalk> wow really
[07:57] <aliasfred> open source is for people who cant stand the ridiculness of apple marketing :)
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> aliasfred, and who wont pay for a unix system
[07:57] <intelikey> ballchalk yes.  you update your sources.list and do a  apt-get dist-upgrade    badabing.
[07:57] <ballchalk> i was trying to decide if freebsd was good but then their platform doesnt do kernel upgradabiilty
[07:57] <ballchalk> o
[07:58] <MetaMorfoziS> what is db2 certification?
[07:58] <serzholino> ballchalk: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade, that's all
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> ballchalk, or do a sudo "dist-update -d"
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> or some command like that
[07:58] <serzholino> to upgrade to next release
[07:58] <ballchalk> also ibm has HCL and redhat detects all the devices in my thinkpad laptop.....so......does that mean ubuntu will work the same way detecting my devices redhat will detect also?
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[07:58] <serzholino> yep, there are many apt frontend
[07:58] <fritsch> ballchalk: which IBM do you own?
[07:59] <ballchalk> T43
[07:59] <fritsch> ballchalk: with radeon chipset?
[07:59] <ballchalk> radeon video intel 915 chipset
[07:59] <ballchalk> radeon v3200
[07:59] <fritsch> ballchalk: pretty much should really run out of the box
[07:59] <ballchalk> it was the tops when i got it
[07:59] <ballchalk> wow
[07:59] <fritsch> ballchalk: wireless, suspend, etc.
[07:59] <ballchalk> its also got a biometric fingerprint reader
[08:00] <ballchalk> cool
[08:00] <fritsch> ballchalk: mmmh this is a "more" problem
[08:00] <ballchalk> oh
[08:00] <ballchalk> ibm has it
[08:00] <ballchalk> i'll look for it but not important
[08:00] <ballchalk> so ok
[08:00] <ballchalk> ACPI is implemented?
[08:00] <fritsch> ballchalk: of course
[08:00] <ballchalk> i was using Mac os x on my thinkpad and it ran hot
[08:00] <fritsch> ballchalk: www.thinkwiki.org
[08:00] <ballchalk> not powermanagement
[08:00] <texas319_> test
[08:00] <ballchalk> niiice
[08:00] <fritsch> ballchalk: look there, about you modell
[08:00] <texas319_> hey all
[08:01] <ballchalk> eya
[08:01] <ballchalk> i thikn i already did
[08:01] <ballchalk> ima look again
[08:01] <MitchM> hello texas319_
[08:01] <texas319_> can I add kubuntu to a windows based domain
[08:01] <texas319_> as a client
[08:01] <ballchalk> yo texas where u from?
[08:01] <MitchM> for what purpose?
[08:01] <ballchalk> i don't mean texas
[08:01] <texas319_> Houston
[08:01] <ballchalk> wow
[08:01] <ballchalk> i'm from alief
[08:01] <texas319_> Lol
[08:01] <texas319_> koo
[08:01] <ballchalk> yea
[08:02] <ballchalk> i moved to jersey tho 6 mos
[08:02] <texas319_> i am at work up here in jersey Village now
[08:02] <ballchalk> family still there in houston
[08:02] <texas319_> koo
[08:02] <ballchalk> WTF
[08:02] <ballchalk> and you're in NJ?
[08:02] <ballchalk> i'm in NJ
[08:02] <texas319_> naww
[08:02] <ballchalk> oh
[08:02] <texas319_> Jersey Village up in north houston... 290 and beltway area
[08:03] <ballchalk> yeap houston traffic worsening?
[08:03] <ballchalk> by the year
[08:04] <texas319_> yea
[08:04] <texas319_> i live in clear lake
[08:04] <texas319_> so i see the brunt of it
[08:04] <Polarbeer> has anyone here installed a HP printer? i can't get mine to work.
[08:04] <ballchalk> oh ok
[08:05] <texas319_> now i am back to ubuntu
[08:05] <texas319_> lol
[08:05] <ballchalk> yea ur way out hehe
[08:05] <ballchalk> back?
[08:05] <ballchalk> what else'dju use
[08:05] <fritsch> Polarbeer: me
[08:05] <ballchalk> i installed went from mac os x on my thinkpad to windows2003 now looking at kubuntu
[08:05] <Polarbeer> great
[08:06] <fritsch> Polarbeer: KDE-Icon-Settings-Printer
[08:06] <ballchalk> i went into #freebsd and they flamed me man
[08:06] <fritsch> Polarbeer: get Systemadmin
[08:06] <fritsch> Polarbeer: add your printer
[08:06] <Polarbeer> i have done everything according to instructions, but it still doesnt work
[08:06] <fritsch> Polarbeer: GDI Printer?
[08:07] <Polarbeer> GDI? whats that?
[08:07] <fritsch> Polarbeer: you chose the correct port? LPT/USB?
[08:07] <fritsch> Polarbeer: a windows printer
[08:07] <Polarbeer> yes
[08:07] <Polarbeer> Photosmart 1315
[08:07] <fritsch> Polarbeer: mmh, sorry no "diagnostic" idea
[08:07] <fritsch> Polarbeer: cannot see the logfiles
[08:08] <Polarbeer> thanks anyway
[08:08] <ballchalk> oh great so thinkwiki doesn't just talk about redhat but covers all distros as a whole?
[08:09] <ballchalk> so anything that works in redhat will work in kubuntu then ?
[08:09] <fritsch> ballchalk: yes
[08:09] <ballchalk> whoa
[08:09] <ballchalk> ok cool kubuntu i tis
[08:10] <fritsch> ballchalk: install, update
[08:10] <ballchalk> yea also i don't wanna stay handicapped to the same kernel in *bsd not to mention the heated community
[08:10] <ballchalk> what the heck are they all pissed off about all the time anyway
[08:10] <fritsch> ballchalk: you aren` t
[08:10] <fritsch> ballchalk: you can always build your own
[08:10] <pete_> I'm new to ubuntu but I've been using linux for years.  Why in god's name do you rely so heavily on sudo?
[08:10] <fritsch> ballchalk: but, if everything is working?
[08:10] <fritsch> ballchalk: no problem, or?
[08:11] <MitchM> pete_ : Its just for the use of "newer" users
[08:11] <fritsch> !sudo > pete_
[08:11] <fritsch> !sudo
[08:11] <nagyv> Roman: I just learned that Skype 1.3 beta is out for Linux. It finally supports ALSA, so with a simple setup it will work out of the box. Download: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/13beta.html , toread for existing bugs: http://juljas.net/linux/skype/
[08:11] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:11] <ballchalk> so what are the main differences or philosphies of each linux distro anyway?
[08:11] <Roman> oooooooo nice
[08:12] <pete_> I know what it does, I just am not certain its easier for new users.  I'm not new, so I'm biased, but I don't like it.
[08:12] <MitchM> pepe_ I remove sudo from my ubuntu install and just login as root when I need to do something that requires such access
[08:12] <Freddy2> pete_: i also don't like it.. su is greater imho, but..
[08:12] <pete_> since everyone has sudo rights, does that mean that its easier to compromise a ubuntu machine since if you can get user rights, you win?
[08:13] <pete_> or is that not true somehow?
[08:13] <MitchM> not everyone should have sudo rights.
[08:13] <Freddy2> everyone?
[08:13] <MitchM> only the _main_ non-root user should have sudo rights
[08:13] <pete_> well, I only made one user account
[08:13] <Freddy2> by default only the first created account..
[08:13] <pete_> so the first user account is a quasi-administrator
[08:13] <Freddy2> certainly
[08:13] <georg> hi
[08:13] <pete_> and everyone else has no sudo rights
[08:13] <MitchM> other users get nasty "error" messages when they try to use sudo
[08:13] <nagyv> I just tried to install Skype 1.3 beta, but it requires a package called Desktop. What is this for?
[08:13] <texas319_> has anyone added kubuntu to a windows domain before
[08:13] <texas319_> is this even possible
[08:14] <MitchM> texas319_ why would you want to do so?
[08:14] <MitchM> and what does google say on the matter?
[08:14] <Freddy2> MitchM: but can you return to a classic root based system?
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> not on ubuntu
[08:14] <MitchM> sure.
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> unless you want to break the box
[08:14] <MitchM> Just remove sudo from the system
[08:14] <MitchM> ^.^
[08:14] <Admiral_Chicago> from what i understand
[08:14] <fritsch> MitchM: no
[08:15] <texas319_> because my companies is windows based and i need to access some stuf on the domain
[08:15] <Freddy2> Admiral_Chicago: i this it's possible, by setting the password for root.. isn't it?
[08:15] <fritsch> MitchM: you can set a root pwd for login, etc.
[08:15] <fritsch> MitchM: but kde apps are compiled for sudo support
[08:15] <pete_> sudo passwd
[08:15] <fritsch> pete_: yes of course ... but k3b for example asks for the user password
[08:15] <yml> me again still fighting with my key binding pb for my laptop
[08:15] <Admiral_Chicago> Freddy2, from what I understand, Ubuntu is set up not to require a root account
[08:15] <fritsch> pete_: on debian it wants the root login
[08:15] <pete_> fritsch: that certainly changes things
[08:16] <MitchM> CLI > GUI
[08:16] <pete_> what happens if you aren't the sudo user and are trying to use k3b?
[08:16] <Freddy2> Admiral_Chicago: for several admin tasks su is better than sudo.. you don't have to keep the password valid for a certain period of time like sudo does (15 min i think)
[08:16] <fritsch> pete_: thats bad
[08:16] <yml> Now I have store my xmodmap in ~/kde/Autostart but this script reference XF86mail for example
[08:17] <Freddy2> pete_: i suppose you can try kdesu
[08:17] <pete_> ah
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> from my own experience, I have yet to find anything that requires me to be su, i have done everythiing sudo
[08:17] <yml> where the relation between XF86mail and thunderbird need to be done
[08:17] <fritsch> yml: you have to store the script there, not the modmap
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i guess if you want to do kdesu kate you can
[08:17] <fritsch> yml: try xkbsetup
[08:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i just do a sudo nano...
[08:17] <fritsch> yml: h xbindkeys
[08:18] <pete_> I'm just dissapointed, everyone talks about ubuntu like it's the best thing since sliced bread.  But for experienced users, its really not that great.
[08:18] <MitchM> vim > nano
[08:18] <Kiongku> hey guys.. kpersonalizer keeps starting each time i boot up my system.. how to stop it?
[08:18] <MitchM> but ubuntu _is_ great
[08:18] <nnn0> aarg what's up with inetd on kubuntu
[08:18] <MitchM> its a "pretty debian"
[08:18] <MitchM> and if you think about all the new users to Linux
[08:19] <pete_> MitchM: this is true, but I prefer the debian way to the ubuntu way, most of the time
[08:19] <MitchM> it is doing great hings
[08:19] <Freddy2> pete_: maybe you should try gentoo, and compile every program you must install
[08:19] <MitchM> name one thing that you like about Debian that ubuntu does wrong?
[08:19] <pete_> Freddy2: my HD got hosed, which had gentoo on it. I installed ubuntu since I want have time to recompile gentoo until next week
[08:19] <yml> fritsch>none of these files exist
[08:20] <Kiongku> !kpersonalizer
[08:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpersonalizer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:20] <Kiongku> !info kpersonalizer
[08:20] <ubotu> kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 474 kB, installed size 772 kB
[08:20] <pete_> So I'm the last person ubuntu is aiming for, I just thought I'de give it a try since it's all the rage today.
[08:20] <MitchM> pete_ name one thing that you like about Debian that ubuntu does wrong?
[08:20] <pete_> MitchM: sudo
[08:20] <Admiral_Chicago> pete_, you like it?
[08:20] <pete_> MitchM: but I understand that its for new users
[08:20] <MitchM> and is that all?
[08:20] <pete_> MitchM: there's not much different. I don't like the brown
[08:20] <MitchM> bah
[08:21] <MitchM> use Kubuntu
[08:21] <MitchM> kubuntu > ubuntu
[08:21] <pete_> MitchM: I am actually
[08:21] <Freddy2> well, some people use debian, others (k)ubuntu, others suse.. and i think most people use fedora.. simply try and compare
[08:21] <MitchM> ah.
[08:21] <MitchM> then change the theme =)
[08:21] <tsdgeos> most people use fedora?
[08:21] <tsdgeos> lol
[08:21] <tsdgeos> that's not the perception i have
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> i used it at one time
[08:21] <tsdgeos> but yours may be
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> didn't like it
[08:21] <Admiral_Chicago> as much as i like kubuntu, its awesome
[08:22] <aliasfred> there is a distwatch about that
[08:22] <Freddy2> well, i use opensuse, and currently i'm giving a try to kubuntu.. but i've seen many people trying fedora
[08:22] <nagyv> I am trying to set up a local repository using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocalAptGetRepositoriesTrivial, but I don't know how to set up pbuilder. Could someone help me?
[08:22] <aliasfred> ubuntu being far ahead, suse behind and the rest being negligible
[08:22] <fritsch> Freddy2: first thing i did with opensuse, i installed smart
[08:22] <pete_> Fedora is my preferred binary distro.  Ubuntu isn't far behind.  The duo thing and some little annoyances are all that separates them
[08:22] <pete_> s/duo/su
[08:22] <fritsch> Freddy2: yast etc. is sooo damn slow
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Freddy2, i really like kubuntu, its pretty easy to use out of the box
[08:23] <pete_> Like why doesn't su forward you X environment variables
[08:23] <pete_> you can's su ad them open emacs in a window for example
[08:23] <Freddy2> fritsch: i like a simple distro, but i love configure & cia xD
[08:23] <pete_> I'm really sorry, I can't type today
[08:23] <fritsch> pete_: do with your X logged in user: xhost + 127.0.0.1
[08:23] <fritsch> pete_: now it works ...
[08:24] <joscha> xhost +localhost @ pete
[08:24] <pete_> thank you
[08:24] <roberto> Can you get a windows virus in wine?
[08:24] <joscha> and then su & emacs
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> roberto, no
[08:24] <Freddy2> roberto: still here?
[08:24] <fritsch> roberto: you not :-)
[08:24] <roberto> lol
[08:24] <roberto> i love you guys :P
[08:24] <joscha> roberto: sure, if the apis the virus uses is implentet in wine...
[08:24] <roberto> lol
[08:25] <fritsch> joscha: could be easier, just copy the content of an infected disk into it - done :-) virus is in
[08:25] <ballchalk> how do i install kubuntu into 1 partition?
[08:25] <Freddy2> no swap??
[08:25] <roberto> is it possible to have a bootcamp virus that can go from os to os or have a virus that runs on machine level?
[08:25] <ballchalk> as in having /var /home /etc all in the same disk
[08:25] <joscha> mmmmh the virus could delete all your mp3s in your homedirectory...
[08:25] <ballchalk> swap too
[08:26] <ballchalk> like mac os x
[08:26] <roberto> lol
[08:26] <ballchalk> roberto no
[08:26] <Freddy2> so you need 2 at least.. isnt it?
[08:26] <aliasfred> http://distrowatch.com/ <- look at 'page hit ranking' it is a sort of the OS run by the people visiting their site... a way to evaluate how widely used is each distro. among their visitors
[08:26] <ballchalk> hahah
[08:26] <ballchalk> for swap im not sure if the mac
[08:26] <ballchalk> well
[08:26] <joscha> roberto: sure... a virus could start directly after booting the bios and could start the host-OS inside an VM
[08:26] <ballchalk> hmmm i dont think so cuz it can span as many swp dumps
[08:26] <pete_> aliasfred: and ubuntu wind by a landslide
[08:26] <roberto> cool joscha
[08:26] <joscha> but this would be a pretty complex-virus
[08:27] <roberto> yeah
[08:27] <roberto> lets make it :P
[08:27] <ballchalk> machine level? never heard of it
[08:27] <ballchalk> heh
[08:27] <fritsch> roberto: for "let` s" <- us, you have also to work?
[08:28] <roberto> what shall we call it the open source virus :p
[08:28] <Freddy2> ballchalk: well, it could be seen as a way to have a dynamic swap space.. that's all i suppose
[08:28] <ballchalk> yea
[08:28] <ballchalk> so uh
[08:28] <roberto> lets make an open source virus under gnu license :p
[08:28] <roberto> let everybody help
[08:28] <Freddy2> but you need free space for it.. you can use any common file for this (inside a partition)
[08:28] <ballchalk> so what did the torvalds say about the new gpl?
[08:28] <ballchalk> was it a big thing?
[08:29] <fritsch> roberto: i would pay you 30000 $ for your thoughts while shaving ...
[08:29] <proog> hey, i am running kubuntu on my laptop. its max screen resolution is 1280x800, but kubutu will only allow me to go up to 1024x768, which is also good, but i would really like to use the max res. what can i do?
[08:29] <proog> *kubuntu
[08:29] <fritsch> proog: intel chipset?
[08:29] <proog> yes
[08:29] <fritsch> proog: okay, can be tricky
[08:30] <proog> but how?
[08:30] <fritsch> proog: look at 915resolution tool
[08:30] <Polarbeer> what about DC? anyone here use it?
[08:30] <joscha> domain controller?
[08:30] <Freddy2> XDD
[08:30] <fritsch> Polarbeer: me again, you mean dc++?
[08:30] <ballchalk> only if fritsch were to be a freebsd user then all would be peaceful
[08:30] <Polarbeer> yes
[08:30] <fritsch> Polarbeer: try valknut
[08:30] <Polarbeer> ive downloaded it through Adept, but it dnt seem to work
[08:31] <Polarbeer> not valknut though
[08:31] <Polarbeer> is that better?
[08:31] <fritsch> proog: download valknut
[08:31] <fritsch> proog: sorry
[08:31] <proog> ok
[08:31] <Freddy2> valknut seems to have problems with certain options enabled at windows DC servers, but.. i think it's the best choice
[08:31] <ccc_> Polarbeer: linuxdc++ is great
[08:32] <ccc_> it's gtk+ though
[08:32] <fritsch> proog: sudo apt-get install 915resolution
[08:32] <ccc_> fat superior to valknut which hasn't been updated for more than a year
[08:32] <proog> so... not valknut?
[08:32] <ccc_> *far
[08:32] <fritsch> proog: after that reboot?
[08:33] <Freddy2> ccc_: hmm i've heard about some recent changes in valknut.. maybe at cvs
[08:33] <proog> so i apt-get 915resolution and reboot?
[08:33] <derekS> is anyone else here having a problem with lm-sensors? http://pastebin.ca/136483   <---- that is my error, please help :)
[08:33] <fritsch> proog: please try, yes
[08:33] <Kiongku> ppl. How write a script for modprobe to Autostart?
[08:33] <ccc_> Freddy2: ok. the GUI gives me a headache though. it's a real mess.
[08:33] <fritsch> proog: this tool tries to find your resolution automatically
[08:34] <nnn0> why can't i find inet.d ?
[08:34] <fritsch> Freddy2: no real late changes
[08:34] <proog> fritsch: couldntfind package 915resolution
[08:34] <nnn0> i mean inetd
[08:34] <Freddy2> ccc_: certainly its gui is a bit strange
[08:34] <fritsch> proog: no?
[08:34] <fritsch> proog:
[08:34] <fritsch> !915resolution
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915resolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <fritsch> its in universe
[08:35] <proog> ok
[08:35] <fritsch> but if you have an intel 855 chip
[08:35] <fritsch> proog: you have to use 855resolution
[08:35] <Freddy2> ccc_: is it a unix port of windows dc++?
[08:35] <fritsch> proog: look here: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/i915Driver
[08:36] <Freddy2> or is simply copying its gui?
[08:36] <fritsch> Freddy2: ldcpp.berlios.de <- this am i using
[08:36] <yml> I am sorry to insist but I search on all the computer for "XF86mail" and I found a single file where this string is: inet in X11/xkb/symbols
[08:36] <ccc_> Freddy2: yes, exactly. there's also a new project called dc-qt which looks promising for us kde users, but it's still (very) alpha.
[08:36] <fritsch> Freddy2: sorry http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[08:36] <Freddy2> http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[08:36] <proog> fritsch: i think it is an Intel 855GME + ICH4
[08:36] <ccc_> Freddy2: on linuxdc++, there's a great guide at ubuntuforums on installing it (from cvs)
[08:36] <fritsch> proog: okay wait
[08:37] <ballchalk> burning kubuntu to disc woohoo
[08:37] <nnn0> can someone please help me with inetd ?
[08:37] <waspius> i installed some programs with wine but i had a problem and i want to uninstall them,...i clicked on uninstall but they dont uninstall although the process goes through what can i do?
[08:37] <yml> this file is not where I can do the mapping between XF86mail and thunderbird
[08:37] <Polarbeer> valknut doesnt seem to work either
[08:37] <Polarbeer> nothing happens when i click "connect"
[08:37] <fritsch> proog: you can take the howto, but use 855resolution
[08:37] <bigbill52a> does anyone have a kdm default kdmrc?
[08:37] <proog> ok
[08:37] <Freddy2> well, i've tried to and it really works
[08:37] <ccc_> Freddy2, Polarbeer: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193984
[08:38] <Polarbeer> ty
[08:38] <z421> hy
[08:38] <Freddy2> ccc_: thx, i'm downloading sources from cvs
[08:39] <bigbill52a> i would like to use a debian default kdmrc...so i can have more control over my log in screen
[08:39] <derekS> so no one knows anything about my lm-sensors issue?
[08:39] <fritsch> proog: have to leave
[08:39] <proog> ok
[08:39] <proog> bye, fritsch
[08:40] <z421> which sources do i need to install the sun jre?
[08:41] <z421> in the debian sid, its in the non-free tree, but where is it in ubuntu?
[08:41] <Hawkwind> !java > z421
[08:42] <z421> Hawkwind: thanx
[08:42] <nnn0> noone here knows nothing about inetd - i find that hard to believe
[08:43] <aliasfred> yeah me too
[08:43] <aliasfred> maybe some secrets stuff is happening
[08:43] <nnn0> :)
[08:44] <Swatgoss> hi all, i'm french, some1 experienced connection trouble under Kubuntu ?
[08:44] <Swatgoss> long loading times under browsers
[08:45] <Swatgoss> and FTP transfer blocking
[08:45] <aliasfred> what is your isp
[08:45] <Freddy2> modem? router?
[08:45] <Swatgoss> 1 modem
[08:45] <Swatgoss> 2 others Pc on router, under win XP
[08:45] <Swatgoss> and works fine
[08:45] <aliasfred> and is the web page downloading ultimatly
[08:45] <aliasfred> what is your isp
[08:45] <Swatgoss> after a looooong time
[08:45] <aliasfred> ok ipv6
[08:45] <Swatgoss> Free (in france)
[08:46] <Freddy2> np with linux compatibility and your modem?
[08:46] <aliasfred> you have to disable ipv6
[08:46] <Swatgoss> ipv6 on my kubuntu ?
[08:46] <aliasfred> the long time is the resolution of dns in ipv6
[08:46] <aliasfred> it timesout
[08:46] <aliasfred> yep
[08:46] <ballchalk> brb
[08:46] <Swatgoss> and how :/
[08:46] <aliasfred> dont remember :) but very simple :)
[08:46] <MitchM> jfgi
[08:47] <Swatgoss> sudo ipv6 -> ipv4 :p
[08:47] <Freddy2> hmm something about /etc/modules.conf was related to this
[08:47] <Swatgoss> but don t XP use ipv6 too ?
[08:47] <aliasfred> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-87798.html <- Swatgoss
[08:48] <Swatgoss> ty, will look at this
[08:48] <MitchM> XP does not use ipv6
[08:48] <MitchM> not by default at least
[08:48] <MitchM> you can install it optionally
[08:48] <Swatgoss> ok, i saw it some times ago in updates or something like this
[08:48] <MitchM> =)
[08:48] <Polarbeer> ccc_: it doesnt work
[08:49] <rafa> HI all, would like to know why I can't install ssh server
[08:49] <rafa> I only have access to openssh-client
[08:49] <ccc_> Polarbeer: at what point doesn't it work?
[08:49] <z421> does anyone know if it's possible to regulate more channels with the kmix at the same time? like in the gnome mixer, where you can set which channels are regulated?
[08:49] <MitchM> sudo apt-get install ssh?
[08:49] <rafa> all the repositoires are up
[08:49] <rafa> MitchM: it won't work
[08:49] <Freddy2> haha, that's exactly what has happened to me this morning xD
[08:49] <MitchM> what error do you get?
[08:49] <Freddy2> rafa: have you changed your source.list and updated apt?
[08:50] <Polarbeer> when i hit the cvs-d....
[08:50] <rafa> it sas that the package isn't available, but some other package references it
[08:50] <rafa> Freddy2: yes
[08:50] <MitchM> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:50] <MitchM> apt-get update
[08:50] <rafa> MitchM: ssh just won't work... instead I have openssh-client
[08:50] <MitchM> sudo apt-get update*
[08:50] <rafa> but no server
[08:50] <Polarbeer> it says "bad cvsroot"
[08:51] <Freddy2> rafa: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[08:51] <MitchM> I understand ;-)
[08:51] <MitchM> try; sudo apt-get update
[08:51] <MitchM> then sudo apt-get install ssh and tell me what it says
[08:51] <Swatgoss> (oh, does the ping www.xxxxxxx.com in Konsole work ?)
[08:51] <MitchM> swatgoss it should.
[08:51] <Freddy2> Swatgoss: why not?
[08:52] <Swatgoss> because its the same comand as CMD.exe
[08:52] <rafa> MitchM: same thing
[08:52] <Freddy2> what?
[08:52] <MitchM> it says "package isnt available"
[08:52] <rafa> MitchM: I've changed the sources.list file for what that page says
[08:52] <Polarbeer> ccc_: when i type cvs-d:pserver.anonymous... it says "bad CVSROOT"
[08:52] <Swatgoss> some commands in Konsole aren't the same as in cmd.exe
[08:52] <Freddy2> and why should be the same?
[08:53] <rafa> MitchM: great, now it works! really don't know what was missing on my sources.list
[08:53] <rafa> thanks!!
[08:53] <rafa> be right back, thanks!
[08:53] <MitchM> rafa: yup :-) anytime
[08:53] <nnn0> so not one of you guys use inetd ? :)
[08:53] <MitchM> i use inetd 24/7
[08:53] <Swatgoss> Freddy2: i don't know/care :p just asking if it work, to verify the connection is up
[08:53] <Freddy2> which ping
[08:53] <nnn0> well do you use inetutils-inetd or netkit-inetd ?
[08:54] <MitchM> inetutils
[08:54] <ccc_> Polarbeer: works for me. check your typing
[08:54] <aliasfred> Swatgoss: yep "ping your.hostname.goes.here" do work
[08:54] <ccc_> Polarbeer: copy and paste
[08:55] <Polarbeer> how do i paste into konsole?
[08:55] <Freddy2> shif + insert
[08:55] <aliasfred> Swatgoss: "man ping" will give you some documentation about ping. or "ping -h" or "ping --help"
[08:55] <Freddy2> shift + insert
[08:55] <ccc_> Polarbeer: shift-insert
[08:55] <nnn0> k thx
[08:55] <Polarbeer> ok
[08:55] <Polarbeer> thx
[08:55] <Swatgoss> raaaaa can't translate my sentence in english ...
[08:56] <Swatgoss> when a page fail in browser, i verify server with "ping www.server.com"
[08:56] <Swatgoss> under Win
[08:56] <anaski> ALC850_Linux.zip....how do i install these drivers
[08:56] <MitchM> nn0: yup
[08:56] <MitchM> nnn0: yup
[08:56] <aliasfred> Swatgoss: same on linux. do "ping google.com" to check
[08:56] <MitchM> and then ctrl + c to stop the ping swatgoss
[08:57] <Polarbeer> thanks ccc_, now it worked. obviously misspelled something...
[08:57] <Swatgoss> useful to know MitchM
[08:57] <MitchM> swatgoss affirmative :-)
[08:57] <anaski> or should i go to ubuntu channel but where is that?
[08:58] <anaski> !untar
[08:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about untar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:58] <MitchM> ctrl + c is an all-round "end" command
[08:58] <MitchM> untar?
[08:58] <MitchM> tar -xf <filename>
[08:58] <Swatgoss> unrar
[08:58] <anaski> could you tell me some instructions how to untar and install an untarred file
[08:58] <MitchM> to extract
[08:59] <Swatgoss> oh ...
[08:59] <MitchM> tar -xf <filename>
[08:59] <anaski> or something
[08:59] <MitchM> ./configure in the directory
[08:59] <Freddy2> ccc_: linuxdc++ looks great.. i'll try it :D thx
[08:59] <MitchM> or make install
[08:59] <MitchM> then install\
[08:59] <jujimufu> anaski: to extract a tar file, you must say if it's a tar.gz or tar.bz2 . If it's tar.gz, do "tar -xzf filename.tar.gz". If it's tar.bz2, do "tar -xjf filename.tar.bz2"
[08:59] <anaski> its zip
[09:00] <ccc_> Freddy2: glad to inform you ;)
[09:00] <MitchM> unzip <filename>
[09:01] <anaski> okay
[09:01] <anaski> then how do i install
[09:01] <anaski> install/ filename?
[09:01] <MitchM> try just install
[09:01] <anaski> dont know
[09:01] <MitchM> or make install
[09:02] <MitchM> or ./configure
[09:02] <anaski> how do i make install
[09:02] <MitchM> just type "make install" in the directory
[09:02] <jujimufu> anaski: do ./configure
[09:02] <MitchM> if your doing this from source
[09:02] <anaski> from the console
[09:02] <jujimufu> anaski: if it finishes without errors, do "make" and if that finishes also without errors, do "sudo make install"
[09:03] <jujimufu> anaski: yeah, from the console. Have you untarred the file?
[09:03] <anaski> ive unzipped it now
[09:03] <anaski> it was a zip file
[09:03] <MitchM> cd <directory>
[09:03] <MitchM> ./configure
[09:03] <jujimufu> anaski: ok, do "cd" and then type the name of the directory that just appeared. It's where you extracted it.
[09:03] <MitchM> make
[09:06] <Swatgoss> is there any op or moderators on this chan ?
[09:06] <anaski> now in the directory is a bz2 file
[09:06] <epitaf-laptop> i'm on an AMD Athlon XP-A, 1100 MHz. Should I get the i386 or the AMD64 install?
[09:06] <Swatgoss> K lol
[09:06] <Swatgoss> K7
[09:06] <liku> Evening.
[09:07] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop try to find a K7 version
[09:07] <Swatgoss> and in any case use a AMD64, u don't have a A64
[09:07] <bkudria> i am tryng to install kdelibs4c2a, but it complains "kdelibs4c2a: Depends: liblua50 (>= 5.0.2-5ubuntu1) but 5.0.2-5 is to be installed"...how do i fix this?
[09:07] <anaski> alc-082604.tar.bz2????
[09:08] <anaski> what do i do with this
[09:08] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop (i mean NEVER use a AMD64 version ...)
[09:08] <anaski> untar it somehow? and install..that  came from the zipfile
[09:08] <Hawkwind> anaski: Untar it
[09:08] <epitaf-laptop> Swatgoss, are you saying that I should NOT use a AMD64? Your sentence was a little hard to understand :)
[09:09] <epitaf-laptop> As far as k7 goes, i cant find a k7 version
[09:09] <Hawkwind> anaski: tar xjvf alc-082604.tar.bz
[09:09] <Hawkwind> anaski: tar xjvf alc-082604.tar.bz2
[09:09] <ccc_> epitaf-laptop: you can install the k7-kernel when the system is installed... so go with the i386 install
[09:09] <bkudria> i am tryng to install kdelibs4c2a, but it complains "kdelibs4c2a: Depends: liblua50 (>= 5.0.2-5ubuntu1) but 5.0.2-5 is to be installed"...how do i fix this?
[09:09] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop i know, i'm not english ... use a K7 version, or at least i386 would work, i tested 386 on my Barton
[09:09] <bele> epitaf-laptop: you should use i386 version
[09:09] <anaski> thanks
[09:09] <epitaf-laptop> ok, thanks
[09:09] <anaski> bye
[09:10] <liku> Quick question: is there somewhere a guide describing *whole* process, how to compile a new kernel on (k/x)buntu?
[09:11] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop you use CD to install ubuntu ? or do you update your existing kernel ?
[09:11] <Hawkwind> liku: I have one
[09:11] <ccc_> Polarbeer: you got it working yet?
[09:11] <Hawkwind> liku: http://www.linuxfordummies.org/index.php?topic=611.0
[09:11] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop if u install from a CD select a 386 one, and after, update it to K7
[09:11] <Hawkwind> liku: That's the one on my forums.  Works very well as I'm currently running 2.6.17.8
[09:11] <Hawkwind> Linux Britannia 2.6.17.8 #1 SMP Wed Aug 9 11:20:13 CDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:12] <fdoving> liku: this maybe? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:12] <liku> Hawkwind: Does it work with ubuntu? I used to compile my own kernels, but with ubuntu things are a bit different, bootsplash, initrd, etc.
[09:13] <liku> Hawkwind: I'll take a look.
[09:13] <epitaf-laptop> Swatgoss, i am using a cd
[09:13] <epitaf-laptop> ok i will update to k7 after the install
[09:13] <epitaf-laptop> i might come back and ask how to do :D
[09:13] <Hawkwind> liku: I see no reason why it wouldn't work.  It allows you to build what you want or don't want
[09:13] <Hawkwind> liku: It also can use your current kernel .config file which makes things a bit easier
[09:13] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop youre (will be ?) welcome :p
[09:14] <Drenhead> I cannot get flash to work correctly in Firefox or Opera.  they run for about 2 seconds then freeze.
[09:14] <liku> Hawkwind: Perfect, that's what I was looking for :) - thanks.
[09:15] <epitaf-laptop> hehe thanks (in advance?) ;)
[09:15] <bkudria> i am tryng to install kdelibs4c2a, but it complains "kdelibs4c2a: Depends: liblua50 (>= 5.0.2-5ubuntu1) but 5.0.2-5 is to be installed"...how do i fix this?
[09:15] <Swatgoss> bkudria install liblua50 ?
[09:16] <epitaf-laptop> Swatgoss, I might add that it's Ubuntu I'm installing, but maybe that doesn't make a difference?
[09:16] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptop nope don't make much difference
[09:16] <epitaf-laptop> ok
[09:17] <bkudria> Swatgoss: i did...but it still complaisn
[09:17] <bkudria> complains*
[09:17] <fdoving> bkudria: 'sudo apt-get install liblua50=5.0.2-5ubuntu1'
[09:17] <Swatgoss> epitaf-laptopi think kernels are the same (is it wright ?)
[09:17] <ccc_> epitaf-laptop: except kubuntu is better ;)
[09:17] <ccc_> Swatgoss: yes that's correct. same repos
[09:17] <Swatgoss> bkudria like in windows, remove/reinstall
[09:17] <fdoving> bkudria: and remove unofficial repositories from /etc/apt/sources.list or kmenu -> system -> adept manager -> manage repositories.
[09:18] <bkudria> fdoving: i used the source-o-matic...i should undo that
[09:18] <bkudria> ?
[09:18] <bkudria> Swatgoss: ok, i'll try
[09:18] <fdoving> bkudria: maybe, can you put the output of 'apt-cache policy liblua50' on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[09:22] <Swatgoss> (network "stupid" question/confirmation: FTP transfers are affected by ipv6 slow down ?)
[09:22] <liku> Swatgoss: Yes, assuming that ftp goes through ipv6.
[09:22] <aliasfred> Swatgoss: only the connection establishement is affected.
[09:22] <Hawkwind> liku: Glad to hear it.  Let me know how it works out for ya
[09:22] <Swatgoss> oh, i had problems during transfers :p
[09:23] <Swatgoss> something strange
[09:23] <liku> Hawkwind: I will have to wait till tommarow :/, at the moment I don't have a decent Inet connection.
[09:25] <Hawkwind> liku: Ok.  You can always register on my forums and post a comment or let me know here as well
[09:25] <Hawkwind> Seveas: You around by chance ?
[09:25] <Seveas> Hawkwind, yes
[09:25] <Tokeiito> what lib has SDL.h file?
[09:25] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Got a minute for a pm concerning the bot ?
[09:25] <Seveas> Tokeiito, libsdl1.2-dev oslt
[09:25] <jeff_hann> libsdl
[09:26] <Tokeiito> Seveas: thanx
[09:26] <Seveas> Hawkwind, if it's about not being able to add/edit factoids: I know, otherwise: sure, pm is open 
[09:26] <bkudria> fdoving: the kubuntu paste timed out, but here you go: http://pastebin.ca/136545
[09:26] <fdoving> bkudria: ok, looking..
[09:26] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Ah ok.  Wasn't sure if you got the message or not.  Hobbsee tried to add one for me this morning and the bot told her no :P
[09:27] <Kiongku> hey guys.. how can i setup this command "modprobe videodev" to auto load on startup?
[09:27] <Seveas> Hawkwind, i've been working on the bot but unfortunately it's in a semi-broken state for a few days already -- some personal things got in the way of finishing the update.
[09:28] <aguilar> hello
[09:28] <Swatgoss> How can i set my own desktop resolution on my desktop, under Kubuntu (basic system, just after a fresh install), on win i use a 1200x900 desktop on 2 screens (2400x900 if u prefer), and i got a 6600GT
[09:28] <fdoving> bkudria: oh.. you're on breezy. Are you sure you don't have any dapper repositories in your sources.list? mixing dapper and breezy might make problems.
[09:28] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Ah ok.  Well glad to hear you are aware of it and hopefully we can get the facts added soon enough
[09:28] <aguilar> tengo un problema con la placa de red en kubuntu
[09:29] <Seveas> Hawkwind, sure -- tonight won't be possible but if it's not fixed by tomorrow I should be fired ;)
[09:29] <bkudria> fdoving: i'm on breezy?  oh...maybe i checked the wrong option in source-o-matic...i'm actually on dapper
[09:29] <bkudria> fdoving: that would explain it...thanks
[09:29] <Hawkwind> Seveas: Hah!  Can't have you fired, then noone would maintain the bot :)
[09:29] <fdoving> bkudria: that's explains it then. :)
[09:29] <fdoving> -'s
[09:29] <aguilar> no hay un canal spanish ?'
[09:29] <Hawkwind> aguilar: English here.  Or try in #Kubuntu-ES
[09:29] <Kiongku> hawkwind: any idea to my question?
[09:30] <aguilar> thank
[09:30] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: When you modprobe something, it should set that to be loaded on boot automatically
[09:30] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: That's the point of modprobe
[09:31] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: well that one modprobe videodev does not.. i have to put it each time my system restart
[09:32] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Have you tried adding videodev to your /etc/modules file ?
[09:32] <bkudria> fdoving: thanks for the help !
[09:32] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: yeah trying now brb restart system as test
[09:37] <Kiongku> hawkwind: nah its still not good..
[09:37] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: one more thing.. kpersonalizer keeps opening each time i boot up.. how do i stop it?
[09:38] <office_> hello
[09:38] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Remove it from your startup file
[09:38] <office_> can anyone help me install one movie player?
[09:38] <Swatgoss> do u got Kaffeine ?
[09:38] <Swatgoss> u just need codecs to get it wrok
[09:38] <bele> hmm is there an easy way to solve my problem: clock was set to future (one hour or so). I set NTP on and voila - correct time. But now I'm unable to sudo anything
[09:38] <office_> i have it
[09:38] <Swatgoss> work*
[09:38] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: where is it?
[09:39] <office_> but it does nt works properly
[09:39] <Swatgoss> !codecs
[09:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:39] <office_> ah
[09:39] <office_> and how can i install codecs?
[09:39] <Swatgoss> see restricted formats
[09:39] <office_> !codecs
[09:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:39] <bele> sudo: timestamp too far in the future:
[09:39] <Swatgoss> i found all codecs i need to play all format
[09:39] <Swatgoss> and before this i spend at least 3 weeks without MP3 or vids ...
[09:40] <office_> this is first time when i use linux
[09:40] <Swatgoss> wasn't mine :'(
[09:40] <Swatgoss> its not difficult
[09:40] <Swatgoss> u just have to add some repositories
[09:40] <bele> well ... I guess my problem will be solved in one hour or so :)
[09:40] <Swatgoss> on /etc/apt/sources.list (i'm not sure)
[09:41] <Swatgoss> add them and install the packages listed
[09:41] <Swatgoss> and enjoy :p
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Can you paste your /etc/modules to a pastebin
[09:42] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Startup file is in ~/.kde or something IIRC
[09:45] <draik> Hello everyone
[09:45] <draik> I am not able to log into my kubuntu desktop
[09:46] <draik> I am stuck on a loop trying to log in
[09:47] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: cant find startup file
[09:47] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: I don't remember where it is since I don't use KDE :P
[09:48] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: hehe lol
[09:48] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: btw there's nothingn much in the modules.. just lp and psmouse on different lines
[09:49] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Yeah I can't find the file Ubuntu uses.  In Mandriva it was /etc/modprobe.conf
[09:50] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: doh.. nvm its my webcam and i dunt use it often anyway.. just got to remember that command XD
[09:55] <charles1952> Help please! Being a newbie I have been messing with things that I shouldn't...namely the resources.list repository file. After doing a complete update I apparently installed a non-stable version of Kubuntu or the KDE front end. I find that many programs that I try to install crash during the installation process. Does anyone know how I can go back to the original configuration without having to do a completely new re-install?
[09:55] <Hawkwind> charles1952: You upgraded KDE to 3.5.4 and want to revert ?
[09:56] <larson9999> hmmm my machine has locked up a few times now with a white screen
[09:56] <draik> larson9999, I can't even log in
[09:56] <draik> I'm stuck in console
[09:56] <larson9999> draik: lol
[09:56] <charles1952> I don't know the version number. I do get a boot prompt that asks whether I want Kubuntu 23 or 26 to boot.
[09:56] <larson9999> ok that's not funny
[09:57] <larson9999> draik: well, then you're logged on
[09:57] <Hawkwind> charles1952: Ok.  What happens when the system boots ?
[09:57] <draik> larson9999, not really
[09:57] <draik> no kde
[09:57] <larson9999> sounds like you just need your graphics card setup
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> kde 3.5.4 hardlocks various machines for me (approx 1 / 2 times a day)
[09:57] <Swatgoss> charles1952 this looks normal ... (grub screen)
[09:57] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: happened to me twice on 3.5.2.  that's why i upgraded :)
[09:57] <xav_> wow
[09:57] <draik> larson9999, I needed to log in this morning to get my resume for a job and I had to tell him to get it from online.
[09:57] <Hawkwind> draik: Are you using Nvidia drivers and recently done a kernel update or something and haven't reinstalled the drivers ?
[09:57] <draik> luckily I added it
[09:58] <xav_> kubuntu seems awfully unstable hearing you
[09:58] <Hawkwind> charles1952: Please keep the conversation here in the channel
[09:58] <draik> Hawkwind, nothing but the recent updates from adept
[09:58] <draik> sorry, adept updater
[09:58] <xav_> better use windows
[09:58] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i'll try gnome out and see if it happens there.
[09:58] <Hawkwind> charles1952: Open something like konqueror and click on Help then About
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: what is the problem ?
[09:59] <Hawkwind> charles1952: That will tell you your KDE version
[09:59] <charles1952> okay
[09:59] <charles1952> BRB
[09:59] <larson9999> the screen goes white and no manner of key combinations i know do anything i can tell.
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> h3sp4wn: no lock problems for me.
[09:59] <charles1952> Version 3.5.4 is what I'm running.
[10:00] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i googled for white screen and didn't find anything that looked like my prob
[10:00] <draik> not being able to log in is annoying
[10:00] <Hawkwind> charles1952: So you want to revert back to 3.5.3 then ?
[10:01] <charles1952> Hawkwind: And I will keep the conv. in this panel..thanks.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: what video card ?
[10:01] <charles1952> Is 3.5.3 the latest stable release?
[10:01] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: radeon xpress 200.  it's embedded in my mobo
[10:01] <Hawkwind> charles1952: Yes.  3.5.4 has had issues for many users.  I reverted back to it as well
[10:01] <draik> Hawkwind, I go to log in, type my password, it seems like its about to log in and then just goes back to asking me for my password again
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Are you using the fglrx from the repos or the later ones ?
[10:01] <Hawkwind> draik: Error messages in pastebin would be a lot more helpful
[10:02] <charles1952> Hawkwind: Okay...how do I revert?
[10:02] <draik> I can't go online to pastebin
[10:02] <draik> it's just a loop
[10:02] <Hawkwind> charles1952: First, can you put your /etc/apt/sourcs.list into http://pastebin.ulteo.us please
[10:02] <Hawkwind> draik: There are console browsers, like links or lynx
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> draik: Sounds like some files in your home directory are possibly owned by root
[10:03] <draik> h3sp4wn, how would I go about changing that?
[10:03] <LeeJunFan> Ever since upgrading to 3.5.4 I haven't been able to burn DVD's well, oddly though k3b doesn't seem to be a package which was updated according to /var/log/dpkg.log, and mkisofs,growisofs also have not been updated.
[10:03] <charles1952> Hawkwind: Okay...give me a minute and I will send the URL
[10:03] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: hmmm i forgot how i installed this.  this is my time with ati.  i'll figure that out and let you know.
[10:03] <Hawkwind> charles1952: Ok, thanks
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> draik: chown -R yourusername * && chown -R yourusername .* (as root)
[10:05] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: is installed using #4 from this site: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/64489-ati-radeon-xpress-200-cant-change-screen-resolution.html
[10:05] <draik> holy crapolla...
[10:05] <draik> I am using 100% of my partition
[10:05] <draik> I'm sure that's what's causing it
[10:05] <larson9999> draik that'll cause all sorts of problems :)
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> 5% should be reserved for root by default
[10:06] <charles1952> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/55 is where it is stored.
[10:07] <draik> how do I delete a directory?
[10:07] <Hawkwind> charles1952: PM me and I'll help you revert back to 3.5.3
[10:07] <Hawkwind> draik: rm -r
[10:07] <draik> rm -?
[10:07] <draik> thank you
[10:08] <draik> Ok.
[10:08] <draik> Here goes nothing
[10:08] <draik> Time to log back in
[10:09] <Swatgoss> Can Konqueror show the usage% of a HDD, like Win do ? (i use df to see it, but not really simple way to see this info)
[10:10] <enzo> Swatgoss, open konsole and type 'df -h'
[10:11] <enzo> That's basic though
[10:11] <Swatgoss> in Konqueror :p
[10:11] <cannonball> Swatgoss: kdf is an app that does what you want, though not in konq.
[10:11] <LeeJunFan> Swatgoss: you can go to "Storage Media" and right click a device and get properties, and then check size but it actually does a more intensive check of all files sizes and takes a while.
[10:12] <LeeJunFan> which I think is a bit stupid.
[10:12] <Swatgoss> yep thats why i asked for Konqueror option like "df"
[10:12] <chbaker__> hello all...
[10:13] <Swatgoss> i also can use the "space use displayer" (don't know the name in english
[10:13] <Swatgoss> )
[10:13] <Swatgoss> but not as ergonimic as win display ...
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I would try downloading the very latest drivers from ati.com - then opt to build packages for dapper
[10:14] <Freddy2> why don't u use kdf?
[10:14] <Swatgoss> cause i just think about the option in konqueror :p
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: They have made alot of changes recently which are worth havnig
[10:16] <draik> I'm in
[10:16] <draik> Thank you all for your help
[10:17] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: ok i will
[10:19] <Polarbeer> ccc_: sorry... had to do other things for a while. Now it seems to be working. I'm connected and all, but i get the message "Hashing Failed: Unable to read hash data file"
[10:20] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i tried that before but one of the options wasn't build for dapper so i didn't know what to pick
[10:20] <Freddy2> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/sun_buys_hp/ <- "hewlett packard/compaq" is the same than "hewlett and packard"?
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> inci
[10:21] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: when you get the file just do chmod +x ATI-whatever.run
[10:21] <ccc_> Polarbeer: you installed it to /usr/local as the howto described, right?
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: then ./ATI-whatever.run --help (the option is something like --buildpkg Ubuntu/Dapper
[10:21] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: ok.
[10:21] <Polarbeer> ccc_: yes
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: It should give you a few debs - possibly not the kernel module for the running kernel - but it may do (I don't have any ati stuff anymore)
[10:22] <ccc_> Polarbeer: do: ls -l ~/.dc++/      to see if you own the contents of that dir
[10:23] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i'll check it out.
[10:23] <Freddy2> hmm next time i'll try to read also the body of the article.. XD
[10:23] <larson9999> Freddy2: just yell at them for not making better titles
[10:24] <ccc_> Polarbeer: what i meant was your username should be to the left of the file names, in both the user and group column :)
[10:24] <Polarbeer> ccc_: i do, except for HaschData.dat
[10:24] <Polarbeer> i created the file as root, because i got an error
[10:25] <Polarbeer> before it said "couldnt locate file hashdata.dat" or something
[10:25] <Polarbeer> so i created it
[10:25] <Polarbeer> but i used chmod to give myself permissions (i was logged in as root)
[10:25] <ccc_> Polarbeer: you mean you ran the program as root?
[10:25] <Polarbeer> no
[10:26] <Polarbeer> created it manually in console mode, just an empty file
[10:26] <Polarbeer> running the console as root
[10:26] <ccc_> Polarbeer: oh ok, i wouldn't recommend that. delete the file and restart
[10:26] <Polarbeer> restart dc++?
[10:27] <ccc_> yes
[10:27] <Polarbeer> ok
[10:27] <ccc_> as your user
[10:27] <Polarbeer> ok
[10:27] <trappist> after upgrading to an amd64 install, kmail can no longer do ntlm authentication.  anybody know where I should start looking to fix this?
[10:28] <larson9999> ok, going to start building my mainframe.  this is just about as exciting as when i first found out i can run unix at home!
[10:31] <Polarbeer> ccc_: ok, now its hashing very much
[10:31] <ccc_> \o/
[10:31] <jordo23> Is there a help doc or howto on how to install flash player for Konqueror?
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: You can get some seriously cool looking sun stuff quite cheap these days
[10:32] <Polarbeer> ccc_: thanks for your help! :D
[10:32] <Swatgoss> for Konq ? i installed the flash for mozilla and Konq play flashs
[10:32] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: you mean real sun stuff?  i'm taking mainframe emulator
[10:32] <jordo23> I don't have Mozilla installed.
[10:32] <Swatgoss> try to install its plugin
[10:33] <Swatgoss> from flash.com (or something like that)
[10:33] <Swatgoss> (mozilla = firefox for me=
[10:33] <Swatgoss> )
[10:33] <jordo23> Swatgoss: If I install it for Firefox it will work for Konq?
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I am talking about having a mainframe
[10:34] <ccc_> Polarbeer: glad to help :)
[10:34] <Swatgoss> on my sys it works on Konq and firefox, since i iinstalled the plugin
[10:35] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: me too.  i'm going to set up a machine deditcated to running hercules + mvs38j.  very close to the first mainframe i worked on.  and not too terrible different from the one i work on now(or did until a couple weeks ago).
[10:36] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i've tried it out and it works rather well.
[10:37] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: and the price is right :)
[10:37] <Polarbeer> ccc_: den blockar mig frn att PM:a (oregistrerad anvndare..). tack fr tipsen!
[10:37] <apallo19> is anyone familiar with attaching evolution to exchange server?
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: xen and usermodelinux are quite interesting
[10:39] <larson9999> yeah
[10:40] <office_> who is romanian in here?
[10:40] <fdoving> apallo19: you might have more success asking that in #ubuntu, as evolution is the default PIM there. we use kontact/kmail.
[10:40] <apallo19> ahh
[10:40] <apallo19> thanks
[10:40] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[10:41] <jott> apallo19: what's the actual problem? worked fine here.. ;)
[10:41] <jeff_hann> office_, i am
[10:44] <_uwo> hi all. have question regarding ipod - when i mount the ipod it mounts correctly, i can sync it, everything OK, but it is displayed as a "mounted camera" and gets the "camera" icon. where are these settings set? how can i change it to being recognised as an ipod or at least a removable drive?
[10:48] <Swatgoss> i make smthing in my aliases list, it tells to reboot ... Ctrl+Alt+Bckspace is enough or computer restart needed ?
[10:48] <fdoving> Swatgoss: what alias list?
[10:49] <Swatgoss> this one /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[10:49] <Swatgoss> for deactivating ipv6
[10:51] <fdoving> Swatgoss: reboot to activate changes, as the modules are loaded at boot time. and the ipv6 module is loaded already. If you don't want to reboot you can unload the ipv6 module with the command 'sudo rmmod ipv6'.
[10:51] <Swatgoss> i prefer reboot :p windows stale :p
[10:51] <fdoving> it's often the easiest :)
[10:52] <Swatgoss> u tell me how to unload but how to reload :p i will have to reboot too ...
[10:52] <fdoving> i tell you how to unload, not reload.
[10:53] <xav_> hu, rebooting instead of simply removing a module is stupid
[10:53] <Swatgoss> I'm stupid :p
[10:53] <xav_> for some more complicated stuff, I don't know, but here..
[10:53] <fdoving> xav_: it's not stupid if you want to check that it's not re-loaded at boot time.
[10:54] <xav_> fdoving: you'll reboot sooner or later to find out
[10:54] <Swatgoss> !codecs
[10:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:55] <fdoving> xav_: sure, but then you might have forgotten some of the changes you did that should be activated during next reboot, and so on.. a reboot of a desktop system doesn't hurt if you have the time and patience :)
[10:55] <Swatgoss> i got loooot of time ...
[10:55] <Swatgoss> and moooore patience
[10:56] <Swatgoss> See You all :p
[10:56] <jordo23> I am trying to install flashplayer for Konq, and I show it as a listed plugin under the config section, but it does not work. Anyone know why?
[10:57] <jordo23> I ran through the installer script for flashplayer and it stated it was complete with no errors.
[10:57] <xav_> first kde 3.5.4 kubuntu packages had problems?
[10:58] <kyle_> ello
[10:58] <kyle_> just installed kubuntu
[10:58] <xav_> jordo23: I'm glad when flash doesn't work, what a stupid crap :)
[10:58] <jordo23> xav: I want it to work though....any ideas?
[10:58] <xav_> sorry, no
[10:58] <kyle_> does anyone know how i can increase the mouse sensitivity?
[10:59] <kyle_> wait
[10:59] <xav_> which mouse?
[10:59] <kyle_> how do i enable root?
[10:59] <Freddy2> xDD
[10:59] <xav_> you don't
[10:59] <xav_> use sudo
[10:59] <kyle_> the trackpad on the laptop
[10:59] <kyle_> oh
[10:59] <xav_> ho
[10:59] <xav_> hm
[10:59] <kyle_> so how would i go enabling root?
[10:59] <xav_> you don't
[10:59] <kyle_> er
[11:00] <Dasnipa`> xav_, you _can_
[11:00] <xav_> you don't need to
[11:00] <Dasnipa`> you can enable root but sudo works as well
[11:00] <xav_> actually, it annoyed me the first time
[11:00] <kyle_> yea i can see why
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: "Settings" (next to Help) > "Configure Konqueror" Scroll down the side to plugins #
[11:00] <kyle_> security reasons
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: "Settings" (next to Help) > "Configure Konqueror" Scroll down the side to plugins Click "Scan for new plugins"
[11:00] <h3sp4wn> #
[11:00] <xav_> but recently, I finally found I preferred using sudo :)
[11:00] <kyle_> well the trackpad response is really bad
[11:01] <xav_> so it always uses my user settings
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: It should fid it then (if you installed flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse)
[11:01] <xav_> and completion works out of the box
[11:01] <xav_> it kicks ass :)
[11:01] <xav_> kyle_: maybe you can edit xorg.conf
[11:01] <kyle_> like my index finger is aching cuz the trackpad isn't sensitive
[11:01] <kyle_> oh ok
[11:01] <xav_> kyle_: you don't know which driver is used?
[11:01] <kyle_> lemme get to it
[11:01] <swatgoss> Swat is back
[11:01] <kyle_> xav uh no idea
[11:01] <jordo23> h3sp4wn: what's the package name?
[11:01] <xav_> hm I had a weird bug on debian
[11:01] <xav_> don't know if it happens on ubuntu too
[11:02] <kyle_> i am a switcher from mac os x --> kubuntu
[11:02] <xav_> try modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse
[11:02] <kyle_> ok modprobe it is
[11:02] <kyle_> hold on
[11:02] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: flashplugin-nonfree
[11:02] <kyle_> do i sudo for that?
[11:02] <xav_> kyle_: yes
[11:03] <office_> so
[11:03] <office_> i can`t play movies
[11:03] <office_> :(
[11:03] <kyle_> awe crap
[11:03] <office_> !codecs
[11:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:03] <swatgoss> (translation ? modprobe in french, or at least the complete name of this "thing" in english ?)
[11:03] <kyle_> my mouse froze
[11:03] <kyle_> what the he11
[11:03] <xav_> kyle_: did you reload it?
[11:03] <kyle_> how? i ran that command and my mouse froze
[11:03] <kyle_> how do i unfreeze it?
[11:04] <xav_> sudo modprobe psmouse
[11:04] <swatgoss> microwave ?
[11:04] <xav_> maybe that too
[11:04] <swatgoss> (sorry)
[11:04] <kyle_> xav it took that command but didn't unfreeze it
[11:04] <kyle_> still frozen
[11:04] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats (If you just install everything on that page you will have everything you need)
[11:04] <kyle_> i dind't crash the mouse cursor did it
[11:05] <xav_> you're 100% sure you reloaded it?
[11:05] <xav_> lsmod | grep psmouse
[11:05] <kyle_> xav how do i reload it?
[11:05] <kyle_> ok hold on
[11:05] <swatgoss> reset button on PC case ...
[11:06] <kyle_> it shows psmouse running i think?
[11:06] <kyle_> lsmod |grep psmouse shows it
[11:06] <xav_> works fine here
[11:07] <xav_> what do you see in dmesg ?
[11:07] <kyle_> hmmm
[11:07] <kyle_> holdon
[11:09] <kyle_> dmesg | grep *ouse displays ps2 mouse device common for all device whatever thta means
[11:09] <kyle_> ok ima restart
[11:09] <office_> ok still not workking
[11:09] <office_> getting angry
[11:09] <kyle_> xav u there?
[11:09] <Freddy2> kyle_: ps2 mouses require to switch off the pc completely, and then restart for working again
[11:09] <office_> installed codecs and mplayer and nothing...
[11:09] <office_> :((
[11:10] <kyle_> awe man
[11:10] <kyle_> thanks freddy
[11:10] <kyle_> brb
[11:10] <office_> !player
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <office_> !players
[11:10] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:10] <swatgoss> test
[11:10] <office_> !mplayer
[11:10] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile to compile it from source or enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer
[11:10] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[11:10] <TheGateKeeper> office_: I use amaroK, xine engine, libxine-extracodecs and w32codec
[11:11] <swatgoss> cool after 75secs deconnection Konversation loads the missed sentences
[11:16] <gebruiker> I need to clone my hd to other hd's trough cd/dvd automaticly. What options are there?
[11:16] <swatgoss> on 2 PCs ?
[11:17] <gebruiker> swatgoss: 10 pc's but no network
[11:17] <swatgoss> ouch
[11:17] <gebruiker> all identical hardware
[11:17] <swatgoss> i only got 2 PCs in my room :p
[11:17] <dragonkh> hello
[11:17] <MitchM_> did you use our friend google gebruiker
[11:17] <MitchM_> ?
[11:17] <swatgoss> so i don't have large scale solutions for u ...
[11:18] <dragonkh> my 64 bit dapper install hangs on vga frambuffer line 0 any one got a clue
[11:18] <gebruiker> MitchM_: not found anyuthing usefull
[11:18] <kyle_> hlloo
[11:18] <kyle_> got mouse back
[11:18] <kyle_> ok
[11:18] <kyle_> down to mouse issues
[11:18] <kyle_> how do i increase mouse sensitivity?
[11:20] <MitchM_> gebruiker - so you want to create/setup a single machine; and then make an install cd based on the configuration of that machine?
[11:21] <swatgoss> kyle_ Mouse in system parameters
[11:21] <gebruiker>  MitchM_ I want to store this instlation on other identical hardware machines, yes, through a install cd/dvd.
[11:21] <TheGateKeeper> kyle_: System Settings -> mOUSE
[11:21] <Fri13> Hello, is rt2570 WLAN drivers how well supported with kubuntu?
[11:21] <xav_> kyle_: you can try to edit them in the control center. if this doesn't work, in X config
[11:21] <MitchM_> try partimg
[11:21] <TheGateKeeper> ooops
[11:21] <MitchM_> partimage*
[11:21] <MitchM_> !info partimage
[11:21] <ubotu> partimage: backup partitions into a compressed image file. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-14 (dapper), package size 261 kB, installed size 936 kB
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> gebruike: If they are identical you can just use dd (nothing fancy is needed)
[11:22] <MitchM_> !info dd
[11:22] <ubotu> Package dd does not exist in dapper
[11:23] <h3sp4wn> coreutils: /bin/dd
[11:23] <MitchM_> !info mondo
[11:23] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.06-1 (dapper), package size 462 kB, installed size 1352 kB
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> MitchM_: is partimg better than just using tar??
[11:24] <MitchM> for what purpose?
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> MitchM: backup
[11:24] <MitchM> of?
[11:25] <MitchM> MySQL databases?
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> hard disk
[11:25] <MitchM> or an entire install?
[11:25] <MitchM> si.
[11:25] <MitchM> check into mondo
[11:25] <MitchM> also
[11:25] <MitchM> "man mondo"
[11:25] <MitchM> tar is better for "smaller" projects
[11:25] <MitchM> like creating rotating backups on an existing HD
[11:25] <MitchM> i.e. mysql databases
[11:26] <MitchM> logs
[11:26] <MitchM> etc etc
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> gebruiker: http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html (I have done what you want just using dd and netcat)
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper> MitchM: no man:mondo so probable have to install it
[11:27] <MitchM> well; you can install it or google the man docs.
[11:27] <MitchM> let me pull up a url for you
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> MitchM: got it thanx :-)
[11:29] <MitchM> yuppers
[11:29] <swatgoss> yuppee + supers ?
[11:29] <swatgoss> lol
[11:29] <MitchM> or...
[11:30] <kyle_> how do i run firefox?
[11:30] <MitchM> yup + pers
[11:30] <kyle_> i just downloaded it
[11:30] <swatgoss> K menu > Internet > firefox web browser
[11:30] <MitchM> well the crude way of doing it would be going into the CLI
[11:30] <admin__> anyone know why when I set my preferences to use VLC instead of amarok it doesn't stay tat way?
[11:30] <MitchM> aye. what he said.
[11:30] <swatgoss> kyle_ downloaded or installed ?
[11:30] <Sakireth> Guys, in KDE, when i try to configure my second panel, it configures to bottom panel, the main one. there's no neat popup, whatsoever, either. and i really need the solution to this quick, because i need to sleep.
[11:30] <kyle_> swatgoss it's not installed
[11:30] <kyle_> i only extracted it
[11:30] <swatgoss> kyle_ use ADEPT
[11:31] <swatgoss> will install all u need
[11:31] <swatgoss> automaticaly
[11:31] <swatgoss> dependencies, libs, updates
[11:31] <swatgoss> K menu > System > Adept
[11:31] <swatgoss> and search firefox
[11:31] <MitchM> or in the sli type sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:31] <Sakireth> anyone?
[11:31] <Sakireth> Guys, in KDE, when i try to configure my second panel, it configures to bottom panel, the main one. there's no neat popup, whatsoever, either. and i really need the solution to this quick, because i need to sleep.
[11:31] <MitchM> sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:32] <fdoving> Sakireth: please don't repeat your question every minute. We did see your first post.
[11:32] <MitchM> sorry sakireth; I have no answers for you.
[11:32] <dragonkh> anyone got a clue what my frambuffer install problem is on dapper?
[11:32] <Sakireth> fdoving: Good. but, the problem is, i can't sleep until i know it
[11:32] <MitchM> google; its your friend.
[11:33] <MitchM> no idea dragonkh
[11:33] <MitchM> can you boot into the command line?
[11:33] <MitchM> i.e. install a "server" copy
[11:33] <MitchM> and then try and isntall a GUI from there
[11:33] <Sakireth> solved it
[11:33] <Sakireth> ^_^
[11:34] <dragonkh> I cant boot up at all from the install disk - it switches to frambuffer and then hangs
[11:34] <MitchM> hmm
[11:34] <fdoving> Sakireth: doesn't matter to me, be polite and wait for answers. You're not more important than others requesting help. Now, to your problem, in the 'panel configuration' on top of the page, you can choose the panel to configure in the dropdown menu..  'main panel' and your other panels.
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: desktop or altenative iso ?
[11:35] <kyle_> apt-get downloads a whole new firefox
[11:35] <kyle_> i've already donwloaded it
[11:35] <swatgoss> the one from adept is better :p
[11:35] <kyle_> so if i were to run the install off my drive, how would i do that
[11:35] <dragonkh> h3sp4wn 64 bit install disk - desktop
[11:35] <kyle_> oh i just ran adept and updated my system but i didn't see firefox
[11:36] <swatgoss> kyle_ do u have multiverse ?
[11:36] <swatgoss> i think its in multiverse
[11:36] <kyle_> whre do i find thta in my system?
[11:36] <swatgoss> in your sources.list
[11:36] <kyle_> uhm
[11:36] <swatgoss> add multiverse repos
[11:36] <kyle_> ok firefox installed
[11:37] <kyle_> but it's not in the menu
[11:37] <kyle_> where did i tog
[11:37] <kyle_> heh
[11:37] <swatgoss> sometimes firefox don't appear exactly when u install it
[11:38] <kyle_> gotta go run and  type firefox
[11:38] <Freddy2> try launching manually from konsole.. if works create a new shorcut at desktop (for example)
[11:38] <kyle_> yea i ran from command line
[11:38] <kyle_> whereis firefox will find it?
[11:38] <Sanne> kyle_: be aware that when you download and install programs manually, the package manager of kubuntu has no way of knowing of this program, and also can't add it to the menu.
[11:38] <swatgoss> try restarting GUI for updating menus ... (i don't know other way to update them)
[11:38] <kyle_> go tit
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: Try the alterntive iso - or do you not have the means to download and burn it ?
[11:38] <kyle_> haha goooo tit
[11:38] <kyle_> got it
[11:38] <Sanne> lol
[11:39] <kyle_> sanne i used apt-get
[11:39] <Freddy2> which firefox
[11:39] <dragonkh> h3sp4wn - hmm I could burn it tomorrow at work
[11:39] <kyle_> which would you prefer that i use?
[11:39] <Sanne> kyle_: ahm you did? Sorry then... :)
[11:39] <kyle_> im new to kubuntu
[11:39] <Freddy2> simply try to
[11:39] <fdoving> Sakireth: did that work for you?
[11:39] <swatgoss> kyle_try to use ADEPT at its max
[11:39] <kyle_> i used os x and man no acpi on my laptop
[11:39] <dragonkh> h3sp4wn I have a nvidia 7950 - maybe thats the problem - maybe linux doesnt support it
[11:39] <Sanne> kyle_: if you're new, definitely stick with the package manager if possible.
[11:39] <swatgoss> if u don't want to eat command lines
 solved it
[11:39] <MitchM> [15:34]  <Sakireth> ^_^
[11:39] <kyle_> swatgoss really
[11:39] <kyle_> ?
[11:39] <kyle_> o
[11:39] <fdoving> MitchM: thanks :)
[11:40] <kyle_> cap
[11:40] <MitchM> fdoving: Affirmative :-)
[11:40] <kyle_> crap* so if i wanna uninstall firefox then .........
[11:40] <kyle_> how would i do it
[11:40] <swatgoss> no idea :p
[11:40] <swatgoss> with ADEPT just check uninstall :p
[11:41] <swatgoss> and apply
[11:41] <kyle_> awe crap
[11:41] <kyle_> ok
[11:41] <fdoving> gnite.
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: I think it will support it (with the binary nvidia drivers) if you install with the other cd you will install in a vga text mode - then you can install the binary nvidia drivers and you should be fine
[11:42] <cannonball> What's a gui app to use to do a suspend?
[11:44] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: You could try adding xforcevesa - to the boot line
[11:44] <kyle_> how can i add an icon to firefox?
[11:45] <swatgoss> kyle_right clic modify
[11:45] <tester> hey guys, I'm trying to get chinese characters to dispaly in kubuntu, can anyone help?
[11:46] <kyle_> swatgoss on the shell script
[11:46] <kyle_> ?
[11:46] <swatgoss> shell ?
[11:46] <swatgoss> dunno
[11:46] <tester> kyle_: on the icon on your desktop
[11:46] <kyle_> yea i found the /usr/bin/firefox
[11:46] <swatgoss> kyle_ u can change the icon from menu editor
[11:47] <swatgoss> but if u use the default "FIREFOX" icon, it sux a bit on the board
[11:47] <kyle_> yea i dont' have an icon
[11:48] <dragonkh> h3sp4wn - ok thanks - what does that do
[11:48] <swatgoss> default ... mean icon named firefox in menu editor
[11:48] <kyle_> so everytime i run firefox i'll have to fire up the terminal?
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: It would use the vesa driver instead of nv (I think)
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> dragonkh: The easiest method would be to just download the alternative iso though
[11:49] <swatgoss> kyle_ u installed it from ADEPT ? if yes u will have an icon in K menu
[11:51] <kyle_> that's the thing i didn't i got firefox via apt-get
[11:52] <kyle_> so i just did ln -s /usr/bin/firefox firefox
[11:52] <kyle_> o well
[11:52] <kyle_> thanks heh
[11:53] <solus_> hello, if anyone knows anything about 6.06 on pavillion notebooks i would appreciate a little advice on a hardware issue
[11:54] <kyle_> hmmm
[11:54] <swatgoss> solus_ wich kind ?
[11:54] <kyle_> ADEPT does show i got firefox installed after i did it using apt-get
[11:54] <kyle_> brb
[11:55] <solus_> zv5230us
[11:55] <swatgoss> kyle_ adept rocks :p
[11:55] <swatgoss> solus_ and in HUMAN language ? :p
[11:55] <solus_> umm, wait, 5320us lol
[11:55] <swatgoss> solus_ CPU RAM GC ?
[11:55] <swatgoss> + chipset
[11:56] <solus_> ok, got you, its an athelon 3200+, 512 ram, nvidia chipset
[11:56] <swatgoss> solus_ and your problem is ?
[11:57] <solus_> that everything works perfectly except anything on the outside of the comp, lol.  for example, the sound card works well, but the headphone jack doesnt owrk
[11:57] <solus_> neither do the usbs, mic jack, and the oddest thing, the volume controls
[11:57] <solus_> who light up when i use the mixer to mute or such, so they only half dont work
[11:57] <swatgoss> solus_ jack don't work !!!! ????!!!!
[11:58] <cannonball> solus_: You have an interesting definition of "works perfectly".
[11:58] <solus_> correct, i tried it with 3 different headphones.
[11:58] <solus_> i said everything inside workd perfectly, lol
[11:58] <cannonball> heh
[11:58] <swatgoss> solus_ the jack is solded to sound card :p
[11:58] <swatgoss> in a kind of short cut ...
[11:59] <solus_> i know, im better building pcs then i am with this software part
[11:59] <swatgoss> solus_ u have another OS installed ?
[11:59] <solus_> the jack worked 9 days ago under windows, and 3 sets of headphones didnt work
[11:59] <solus_> not anymoew
[11:59] <solus_> i couldnt get windows back on after the last crash, so i wiped and linuxed, and now i learn as i go
[12:00] <swatgoss> solus_ very strange ... every time i got jack not working it was a physical problem
[12:00] <solus_> alright, then as long as that isnt a usual thing, ill check out the hardware tomorrow in the light
[12:01] <swatgoss> solus_ try an other live CD ?
[12:01] <solus_> only knoppix, and there is works
[12:01] <swatgoss> solus_ very very strange :p
[12:01] <solus_> but everything always works for me on knoppix
[12:01] <solus_> i dont know if knpx3.04 has a different way of doing things, but this is odd
[12:01] <swatgoss> why u don't use knoppix so ? :p
[12:01] <whizz-> i was running ksystemlog and saw something strange in there: every second the message "keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240" is printed about 15-20 times
[12:02] <solus_> haha, and reinstall everything everytime i reboot, i already ahve ahd my share of learning how to install this week
[12:02] <swatgoss> not specialy a live CD
[12:03] <swatgoss> u can install it on last version ... (i tested a knoppix based live CD with install option, Kaella Live CD)
[12:03] <solus_> at this point im determined to get kubuntu to work, i like it, my comp has never run so quickly and smoothly, and i already tried 3 linux distributions before this one...  it took me 18 hous to get suse installed, lol
[12:03] <Vge> only 18?
[12:03] <swatgoss> lol
[12:03] <solus_> hey, the magazine told me it hsould take less than 2
[12:04] <swatgoss> suse recompil whole system ?
[12:04] <solus_> i have no idea what it did, but i know that then after i used the install program that came with it to install addons from its own cd, it wouldnt boot anymore
[12:04] <swatgoss> or somethind like that :p
[12:05] <swatgoss> wow
[12:05] <Vge> well, to be honest, kubuntu takes some time too work nicely
[12:05] <solus_> yeah, it didnt like me, so far the only problem ive had other than this new found hardware stuff was when i killed my own sudo not knowing how to use it, and i was able to fix that
[12:05] <solus_> that was already 10 steps ahead of suse and red hat
[12:06] <kyle_> is wine available for kubuntu?
[12:06] <swatgoss> yep
[12:06] <kyle_> through adept?
[12:06] <swatgoss> (for wine)
[12:06] <kyle_> i couldn't find it
[12:06] <swatgoss> i didnt look at it
[12:06] <solus_> then try synaptic
[12:07] <whizz-> i was running ksystemlog and saw something strange in there: every second the message "(process: kernel) keyboard.c: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 240" is printed about 15-20 times
[12:07] <kyle_> solus where is synaptic?
[12:07] <swatgoss> synaptic don't use the same repos as adept ????
[12:07] <solus_> its easier to use, and you can customize more of your settings
[12:07] <swatgoss> synaptic is to be installed
[12:07] <solus_> you ahve to dl synaptic through adept
[12:07] <kyle_> oh ok
[12:07] <kyle_> brb
[12:07] <swatgoss> install installer :p
[12:07] <kyle_> haha
[12:08] <solus_> oull ahve to reboot your system to get it to show in your program menu, kyle
[12:08] <swatgoss> no other solutions for updating the menus ?
[12:08] <kyle_> solus i searched for synaptec in adept and nothing
[12:08] <solus_> its synaptic
[12:08] <kyle_> oh
[12:08] <swatgoss> just look synapt
[12:09] <swatgoss> can you reduce the font size of system messages only ?
[12:09] <kyle_> installed