=== zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0045-acx-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === TomB| [n=ownthebo@AC8D933D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] hmm. odd. upgrade from breezy to dapper just failed. lvm2 borked. === mammadori [n=marco@host140-236.pool875.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === TomB [n=tomb@AC8D933D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host5-143.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] who is up for a little cd burning test? [01:03] cd burning, you say? [01:04] welshbyte, yes, yes :) [01:04] with thing other then cdrecord ^_^ === gort [n=jgbiggs@cpe-24-175-10-187.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] sounds interesting, what needs doing? [01:05] welshbyte, svn checkout, compiling, testing :) [01:05] svn co http://libburn-svn.pykix.org/trunk libburn [01:05] bootstrap [01:05] ./configure [01:06] make [01:06] cd test [01:06] ./burniso [01:06] on edgy, i'm guessing? [01:06] and you'll see usage :) [01:06] welshbyte, you can try on dapper as well [01:07] oh, i thought it might be related to fixing bug 54828 [01:07] Malone bug 54828 in linux-source-2.6.17 "cdrecord fails to burn cd's" [Untriaged,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54828 [01:07] welshbyte, eh :) [01:09] welshbyte, partly it might be tho :) [01:09] there is a libburn-over-cdrecord layer which should fix this bug, hehe :) [01:12] sorry, have to get on with some work... just made my ears perk because this project needs that bug fixed properly to work on edgy [01:13] welshbyte, "this project" as in? [01:13] plo _ [01:13] oki :) === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-47-96.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erkanoz07 [n=erkanoz0@88.232.50.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] how can i every start up mii-tool -F 10baseT-HD automatic === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === erkanoz07 [n=erkanoz0@88.232.50.141] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beshy [n=beshy@85.89.201.75] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] looks like firefox2 has slipped past edgy release [02:17] did anybody notice higher memory usage with today updates ? [02:17] (I did) === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-47-96.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.147.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bj_ [n=bj@ool-18bbaf15.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bj_ [n=bj@ool-18bbaf15.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7A54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Howdy === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] mdz, ping [03:08] lastnode: yes? [03:09] hi, have you got a sec to hear me out? if not, i can ping you later === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] sorry mdz, that would not have triggered you. my bad. [03:23] hi all [03:23] hi Hobbsee [03:40] lastnode: I will read what you say to me and respond when I can [03:45] mdz, ok. sorry to bother you. it's like this - i've been writing a small support layer application for my local distro (www.taprobane.org). it's basically a bash script which uses dialog / Xdialog to gather user input. Based on that input, it attaches the relevant logs (for example, if the user says something is wrong with X, it will attach Xorg.log etc) and sends it via http to a php script on the server side. now, I've managed to get thi [03:45] s working with wordpress via a plugin, and will be implementing XML-RPC shortly, to get it working with Joomla and other CMSs. I was just thinking, the server side script could also easily be modified to talk with launchpad, and if so, would any of your guys be up for a small demo? [03:46] lastnode: sure [03:46] mdz, this idea actually came to me while helping out in #ubuntu. there were so many users who were coming in with problems, and we kept asking them to cat this log, and that log. i just thought, wouldn't it be simpler if a bash script could attach logs automatically, based on what is wrong with the system [03:46] mdz, you find some sample output here, if you'd like a quick peek - http://plaintealiterati.org/poetry/suport-request-from-thebignoobnoobfactorycom/ [03:47] (in that example, the script has attached dmesg/lspci output) [03:47] dark gray on black is very hard to read [03:47] sorry, that's not really a site meant for testing, but my personal hosting went down, so i had to use it [03:47] my apologies [03:48] I don't think there's an XML-RPC API for the support tracker at present, but I don't imagine it would be hard to add one [03:48] so theoretically, this could be plugged in to anything - forums, mailing lists, even irc [03:48] launchpad-users@ would be a good place to discuss it [03:48] I'm not sure that support requests can have attachments either, to be honest [03:48] mdz, it's not attached really [03:48] currently curl sends it in the body of the text [03:48] the logs, i mean [03:49] and since i use curl, it even returns a nice html reciept to the user, which can be opened in a browser [03:49] and since the server side is loosely coupled, one could easily write a plugin that pasted new requests in an irc channel via a bot [03:49] in any case, i shall take this to launchpad-users [03:50] thank you [03:50] we have a concept for something similar for bugs, which uses infrastructure we already have for gathering system information from installed packages [03:50] mdz, yes ive seen the bug info gatherer [03:50] it's pretty sweet === infinity wishes people would contribute more to packages populating /usr/share/bug more usefully instead of reinventing this wheel every three months. [03:50] heh [03:51] this is er, more for support than for bugs, actually [03:51] is there a similar application for support? because ill stop this right now then :s [03:52] lastnode: Sure, but if good info-gathering scripts are in /usr/share/bug, you can have a support request tool that says "ahh, your problem is with X, I'll run the stuff from /usr/share/bug/xorg" and such. Leverage a system that's already in place, for the benefit of all bug/support tools. [03:52] no, but it would be a good idea to use the same hooks for collecting data [03:52] lastnode: I have nothing against something that's geared toward generic support requests instead of bug reporting. It's a good idea. [03:52] is /usr/share/bug ubuntu specific, or is a standard across most distros? [03:53] lastnode: It's Debian-specific. [03:53] lastnode: Came from the original "bug" bug report tool, then also got used by "reportbug", and others since. [03:53] i see. that would work, really. the live cd im devving for is debian based as well. [03:53] lastnode: The general idea is that packages ship scripts in there to help bug/reportbug decide what extra info to attach. === lastnode looks through /usr/share/bug [03:54] lastnode: Some packages have really good stuff there already, many don't have anything there at all. Contributions either to Ubuntu or directly to Debian to beef up the contents of /usr/share/bug would make me a pretty happy camper. [03:54] infinity, im just looking through the .sh scripts, and im not getting it [03:55] oh, right === lastnode gets it after looking through apt/scripts [03:56] Note the use of "presubj" as well, which is cool. [03:56] reportbug/presubj is a good one. [03:56] you know what would be cool? if i could find a way to check if the distro is deb based or not, and then running a script that is appropriate [03:56] Basically, some quick "have you tried this?" FAQ answers to spit out to the user before they go to the trouble of submitting a support request or bug report and feeling like a fool when they get a 1-line canned response. [03:57] lastnode: Well, I'm not sure if it's true for all derivatives, but in general, most Debian derivatives will have /etc/debian_version on the system. [03:57] infinity, presubj files seem to be just plain text? [03:58] lastnode: Other than that, it's pretty hard to tell. The exitence of /usr/bin/dpkg doesn't really mean anything, I have it on some Solaris machine which are clearly not Debian-based, etc. [03:58] infinity, i could just check for the existence of /usr/share/bug :) [03:59] lastnode: Yeah, presubj is just plain text presented to the user before they go to the effort of filling out an embarassing bug report. :) [03:59] Like, for instance: [03:59] (base)adconrad@cthulhu:/usr/share/bug$ cat vim/vim.presubj [03:59] Please use "vim -u NONE -U NONE" to verify that the bug you want to report [03:59] isn't caused by a configuration error. [03:59] Handy tips to prevent a user from spending a week tearing their hair out over a broken config. [03:59] That sort of thing. [04:00] infinity, yeah that makes sense [04:02] infinity, so you were saying populating /usr/share/bug [04:02] Ideally. It's one of those "good for the community" things. :) [04:02] that would be basically writing .sh scripts that first present a presubj and then attach the necessary logs for that app? [04:03] If we make /usr/share/bug more useful, everyone benefits. Debian and reportbug, Launchpad and whatever bug reporting tools we end up with, you and your support requesting tool, etc. [04:03] The presubj stuff is just read directly by the reporting tool, not displayed by the script. [04:03] The script in there is just a script that spits a bunch of stuff to stdout, which your tool collect. [04:04] Whether it's logs, debconf info, /etc/shadow, the sky's the limit. [04:04] infinity, yeah it echoes. hmm, i guess the best way to go about this is to write an if {} routine within my current script [04:04] (I recommend against submitting patches to packages to output /etc/shadow in their bug scripts, though..) [04:05] infinity, where would i submit presubjs or scripts i write, for review? [04:05] lastnode: As Debian or Ubuntu bug reports on the packages they affect. [04:05] cool [04:05] lastnode: I'd prefer to see them as Debian reports, so we all get them, though duplicate reports in Malone and debbugs never hurts, if Ubuntu wants to be faster about integrating the changes. [04:05] i guess debian makes more sense, right.. to go upstream direct? [04:05] s/hurts/hurt/ === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:09] infinity, so launchpad-users@ is where i should go with this idea? [04:09] lastnode: Well, that's where you should go if you want to discuss an XML-RPC interface for the launchpad support tracker. [04:09] lastnode: Not necessarily for the rest of the conversation we had. :) [04:09] a [04:10] b [04:10] c [04:10] d? === infinity notes that sequence jokes always get less funny as more people jump on. [04:10] infinity, so i guess ill work a little more on this before taking it there [04:10] infinity: :-) [04:10] yeah like me too, me three [04:10] :\ [04:11] Though, creepy that we all had the same length nick, so it all matched up... [04:11] The things you notice when you're suffering from the lightheaded effect of no breakfast... === zul_ is now known as zul [04:14] infinity, i guess one could also write a plugin to input the data directly in to the launchpad db [04:14] although that would have to be by someone who already knows the architecture etc [04:15] lastnode: Well, the XML-RPC interface would essentially be that anyway. :) [04:15] lastnode: (but with a thin layer between you and the DB, obviously) [04:16] lastnode: We're not too likely to open up the postgresql port to the world to actually write TO it. ;) [04:17] abstration layers are good anyhow so if the db changes the app dosent have to ;) [04:17] yeah, of course [04:17] i meant via a db object [04:17] The launchpad DB never changes! [04:18] ;) === infinity looks for an incoming fist from sabdfl. [04:18] like for the prototype wordpress plugin i just used the wordpress inbuilt calls [04:18] hahaha [04:18] so that's above the db [04:18] lastnode: a wp plugin for LP ? i would be interested in that [04:18] lastnode: It would probably just be a really simple XML-RPC call passing a massive struct. So, it's pretty easy to do. [04:19] imbrandon, no, for my help support script [04:19] if anyone is interested in looking at, or hacking my script a little, please let me know [04:20] :) [04:20] im still looking for a way to see if X is running on a box [04:20] lastnode: Ideally, simple things like "submit a support request" or "submit a bug report" in launchpad should be an extra 2 or 3 lines of code in your application, if it's being done right. If it's not, talk to me and I'll sit down with brad again and make sure it is. ;) [04:20] lastnode: give me a url i wouldent mind poking at it a bit, i'm always hackin on wp [04:20] i want to use dialog and Xdialog accordingly [04:20] imbrandon, http://plaintealiterati.org/poetry/suport-request-from-thebignoobnoobfactorycom/ is some example output [04:20] ill have the source up soon [04:21] k [04:21] i gotta go shower and get ready, today is tutorial day at apachecon [04:21] :) [04:21] lastnode: [ -n $DISPLAY ] && echo "We're running from X" [04:21] I don't wanna miss Rich Bowen's intro to apache :) [04:21] infinity, is $DISPLAY a good check? [04:21] lastnode: It's what everything else in the world uses. [04:21] in some instances, could it be populated without X running? [04:22] lastnode: For safety, you can also fall-back if xdialog doesn't run. [04:22] lastnode: nearly everything checks for $DISPLAY [04:22] infinity, ok, because i asked in #bash and i was told it was a bad way to check [04:22] lastnode: If $DISPLAY is populated withou an active display, the user's setup is broken. [04:22] :\ [04:22] infinity, i didnt get that [04:22] anyway brb === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] imbrandon, ill mail you the source in a hour. just leaving, ill be online from the venue though [04:35] infinity, thanks a lot for the help/advice. rest assured ill be bugging you again, soon :) [04:35] k imbrandon@kubuntu.org or brandon@imbrandon.com either one === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-187-52-248.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0045-acx-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davidme [n=davidme@206.124.150.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-89.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.232.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seq [n=chris@CPE000f6690c401-CM0011ae907ae4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] does anybody know offhand what the debhelper tool is that automatically generates entries in the debian/changelog file in a package? [06:07] dch [06:08] dch is in devscripts, not debhelper. [06:08] bah, no wonder i couldn't find it. i was reading the manpage for the debhelper stuff :p [06:08] Whoops, I didn't even read the debhelper part :-) [06:09] Anyhow, yes, dch can be used interactively, or fully-automatically. [06:09] And is the bestest thing EVAR. [06:09] heh [06:09] I could be exaggerating a bit, of course. [06:09] just a tiny bit [06:10] not by a whole lot, it is rather handy [06:10] Uh oh. [06:10] I retract it all, then. [06:10] The day I agree with someone from Ontario, I suspect the world will end. [06:11] not exaggerating by a whole lot i mean [06:11] what, are you from Alberta or something? :) [06:11] Seq: Yes. :) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] (I live in Australia now, but old habits are hard to break) [06:12] well then i'm glad we disagree.. 'cause... yeah... [06:13] infinity: you *do*? where? [06:13] Hobbsee: Melbourne. [06:14] infinity: I didn't know you were from Alberta, I'm from Montana (down south) ;-) [06:14] I grew up watching Alberta plates go down the Interstate ;-) [06:14] LaserJock: I've driven through your state at ridiculous speeds on countless occasions. Never actually stopped for more than the few minutes required to collect my speeding tickets. :P === sbalneav_ [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] infinity: ahh.. [06:15] lol @ infinity [06:16] infinity: you weren't around when there was no speed limit? [06:16] that was fun [06:16] LaserJock: I got ticketed then too. :) [06:17] LaserJock: Apparently, 240km/h isn't a "reasonable and safe speed". [06:17] hah [06:17] scary [06:17] ah yes [06:17] Anyone in here a udev maven? Working on floppy support for ltsp. [06:17] LaserJock: yea the 90's were fun ;) seems the world went nuts [06:18] ah, another canuck arrives :-) [06:20] Hm, keybuk's the guy I need, but he's not here. [06:20] Lets see how badly this goes :) [06:47] Anyone in here know why I would be getting this: [06:47] ./configure --prefix=/usr [06:47] make: execvp: ./configure: Permission denied [06:47] make: *** [configure] Error 127 [06:47] chmod +x configure === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] Why the hell would it have changed? [06:47] Hmm [06:48] ran dh_stripperms thru it, or whatever it is? [06:48] It is 0755 [06:48] dh_fixperms [06:48] 755 is ok o.o hmm. [06:49] bddebian: read the first line of configure. [06:49] What #!/bin/sh? [06:49] make sure it's not using a non-executable interpreter, make sure if it says /bin/sh that edgy hasn't broken /bin/sh if you're on edgy, etc. [06:49] that should cover all the obvious stuff. [06:49] It built fine until I added two dpatch files [06:50] on to the inobvious: Is there a sun spot above your house? [06:50] ah. o.o Contents of said patches may be relevant. :) === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-39.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] It is calling dh_fixperms, hmm [07:01] bddebian: Generally that's done in the binary target, long after you've run configure. [07:01] bddebian: And shouldn't affect anything except the contents of debian/packagename or debian/tmp [07:01] Aye, I wouldn't think so but I'm at a loss at the moment [07:02] bddebian: You can always do a quick dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S, and toss the source package somewhere for extra eyes. [07:02] bddebian: Debugging based on pure guesswork isn't all that simple. [07:03] True [07:03] Ergh, what's Luke Yelavich's IRC nick again? [07:04] TheMuso: Dude. That brltty change is 12 kinds of wrong. [07:04] TheMuso: The .so symlink belongs on the -dev package. If gnome-orca is trying to dlopen the library incorrectly, it needs to be fixed, not placated. [07:04] s/on the/in the/ [07:05] infinity: I mentioned that upstream, and they said thats the way they want to do it. [07:05] "they"? [07:05] Mind you, I might look at the source of orca and change that then. [07:05] bddebian: that'll do it. [07:05] TheMuso: Which upstream for what? [07:06] bddebian: you can use --exclude ./configure or whatever the syntax is. i had to do that for libdvdread [07:06] TheMuso: Shipping the .so in the library is always, always, always wrong. It just points to bugs in other packages. [07:07] infinity: Fair enough. [07:07] I can't understand why they dlopen the bloody thing in the first place [07:08] TheMuso: *shrug*... Who knows. But since we know the true path to the library, just fix the dlopen call to look for libbrlapi.so.1 or whatever. [07:09] TheMuso: And since the previous upload's so shiny and new, don't worry about trying to do evil Replaces magic to move the file back again, just revert the change and pretend no one will notice. :) [07:09] Yeah. Its kinda weird when the calling code is in a shared library, and also links against the damn library as well. [07:09] infinity: Ok. [07:10] luke@marin:~/Projects/Ubuntu_Development/edgy/sources/kwlan$ objdump -p /usr/lib/python-support/gnome-orca/python2.4/orca/brlmodule.so | grep NEEDED NEEDED libglib-2.0.so.0 NEEDED libbrlapi.so.0.4 NEEDED libc.so.6 [07:10] Thats some weird shit. [07:10] Err, wait. It links to it AND dlopens it? === infinity boggles. [07:11] My point exactly. [07:11] There's some serious crack cloud surrounding that one. [07:11] I'll bet my bottom dollar that the code could be built without linking against it, if they dlopen it. [07:11] TheMuso: Anyhow, please revert the brltty change ASAP, before the window of "hey, the bug only existed for an hour, just --force-overwrite and leave me alone" gets too wide. [07:11] TheMuso: Then you can worry about fixing the above crack. :) [07:12] hah [07:12] infinity: Ok. [07:12] but dont you love all those bugs, and the accompanying dupes? [07:12] Hobbsee: Yeah, but it's less hassle to put up with an hour of bug reports than a debian/control that's completely unreadable because you now have two packages replacing each other for no sane reason. [07:13] infinity: hah. how'd that happen? [07:13] Hobbsee: Moving a file from A to B, then back to A. [07:13] now that really *is* on some seriously weird crack. [07:13] infinity: ah yeah, that'll do it. [07:15] TheMuso: BTW, who sponsored that upload for you? I'd like to berate them for a bit. ;) [07:15] infinity: crimsun [07:15] *hopes it wasnt me* [07:15] Hobbsee: Its a main package. [07:15] Hobbsee: Couldn't have been you, it's in main. [07:15] lucky [07:15] ah well, one less thing i can be blamed for :P [07:15] crimsun: You and me, bike racks, after school. [07:15] infinity: If I give you an URL to a debdiff, mind reviewing/uploading, just to make sure I'm doing what you suggested correctly? [07:15] heh [07:16] TheMuso: Of course. [07:16] infinity: Thanks./ [07:16] infinity: yes? === Hobbsee was thinking of the packages of TheMuso's she'd uploaded [07:16] crimsun: You sponsored an upload of a package that moved an .so symlink from a -dev package to a library package. Please don't. ;) [07:17] sorry [07:17] crimsun: Just keep in mind that sponsorship is a quality control thing. Be even more anal with sponsored uploads than you are with your own. [07:18] (Heck, I'm anal when sponsoring for Kamion and jbailey when they've not got their GPG keys handy, and I'm pretty sure they're both 12 times brighter than I am) [07:20] i can reliably make dd on dapper segfault [07:20] infinity: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/brltty_3.7.2-3.1ubuntu1_3.7.2-3.1ubuntu2.diff [07:20] this seems odd. [07:20] A nice learning exercise. [07:20] desrt: Doing something particularly weird with it? [07:21] no. not even. [07:21] totally mundane. [07:21] echo string > somefile [07:21] dd if=somefile [07:21] [boom] [07:21] when it goes to do the speed calculation it dies [07:22] happens on edgy too >:| [07:23] ah. known problem. bug 42264 [07:23] Malone bug 42264 in rosetta "locale dependant segfault for dd" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42264 [07:24] TheMuso: That upload looks fine. [07:24] Ok thanks. [07:25] TheMuso: Though the reverted change does hilight that the previous change wasn't quite right. [07:25] TheMuso: In the previous change, when you moved a file from package A to package B, you should have made package B "Replaces: packageA (<= Last-Version-With-That-File)" [07:25] TheMuso: The fact that you didn't have to revert such a change means you forgot to do it in the first place. :) === TheMuso is confused [07:26] When a file moves between packages, you need to ell dpkg about it. That's what the "Replaces" field is for. [07:26] If you don't give dpkg a hint, you just get overwrite errors on upgrade. [07:27] oh wait. i know this one. [07:27] infinity: Righto. [07:27] read this : https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/22335 [07:27] Malone bug 22335 in ubuntu-meta "gnome-screensaver conflicts with ubuntu-desktop" [Medium,Fix released] [07:27] TheMuso: Anyhow, the new one's uploaded, bugginess in the archive should only last another hour or two, and most of the world is asleep, so screw 'em. [07:27] it has a fantastic rant on the subject of exactly how to use replaces, etc. [07:28] infinity: Thanks heaps. Tis much appreciated. Another little tidbit to commit to memory. :) [07:28] desrt: Scott can be a bit exciteable. :) [07:28] TheMuso; the rant in that bug is worth reading [07:29] (Even moreso than I) [07:29] infinity; i learnt a lot from him there :) [07:29] You could learn the same thing from carefully reading Debian Policy. :P [07:30] desrt: Thanks for the reading material. [07:30] it's less dry this way :) === TheMuso goes to read [07:30] I think we should just tattoo a few key sections (Package Relationships and Detailed Explanation of the Unpack/Configure Phases) on the chests of each new MOTU. [07:31] mental note . o O (( do not become motu )) === TheMuso bookmarks that bug. :) === infinity . o O (( I really need to buy a tattoo gun )) [07:33] infinity: I suppose it should be tattooed in mirror image [07:33] so it is easier to read in the mirror [07:33] jamesh: Or, they could just hang out together and read policy to each other. [07:33] Now to patch gnome-orca to be a little less crackful. [07:33] just tatoo it upside down [07:34] so when you look down at your chest it's there [07:34] infinity: because motus often hang out together with their shirts off? [07:34] jamesh: Well, we *are* known for our "friendly" community... [07:34] Actually, I'd need something that would create a braille tattoo on my chest, as that would help me more. :) [07:35] TheMuso: pins and needles [07:35] jamesh: Ironic, given that we work for the same company, live in the same city, and I don't think we've ever once been out for a drink, with or without shirts. [07:35] jamesh: To be honest, I don't even recall what you look like. :) [07:35] Yeah, I never leave the house. NERD PRIDE. [07:35] Hobbsee: Yeah thats a start. [07:36] TheMuso: You could do braille scarification, I suppose, but it would be delicate work. Or really big braille. [07:36] infinity: what colour's the sky today? :P [07:36] haha yeah [07:36] Hobbsee: Greyish. [07:36] infinity: ah. you have a window then. [07:36] The sky is blue here. [07:36] Yes. :) [07:36] infinity: I don't live in Melbourne [07:37] infinity: I'm over in Perth [07:37] jamesh: Oh, I could have sworn you did. See? Out of touch. [07:37] jamesh: Maybe it's because we share an ISP, or just because I'm generally retarded. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] jamesh: come over to the nice side of australia :P [07:38] Hobbsee; oh. you live in perth too, then? [07:39] desrt: nope [07:39] sydney [07:39] oh. i thought you said the *nice* side === Hobbsee wonders why no one has done a whois to check. [07:39] indeed, i did [07:39] sydney's a bit dumpy [07:39] well, i tell a lie [07:39] ah. it's covered by the hostmask, that's right [07:39] Sydney is *not* dumpy [07:39] sydney's a lot dumpy === StevenK glares at desrt. [07:42] Hobbsee: I'm on the nice side of Australia [07:42] infinity: probably because like all americans, you have no sense of geography. === jdub WINS [07:42] jdub: Die. [07:42] hahaha [07:42] infinity: mexican. [07:42] jdub: is just terrible at figuring out accents. [07:42] If I wanted to live in a place like Sydney I'd just go to the US === jdub spanks jamesh [07:43] jamesh; represent. [07:43] if I wanted to live in a place like sydney I'd live in sydney [07:43] If I wanted to live in a place like Sydney I'd get therapy. [07:43] but fortunately I live in melbourne :) [07:43] HrdwrBoB: mexican. [07:43] stub: mexican. [07:43] I'm further north than you dude! [07:44] stub is in the northern hemisphere [07:47] stub: excuses! [07:49] jdub: mexican! === sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@ool-4577863a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] Good morning [07:55] hi pitti === StevenK waves to pitti. [07:56] Hey Hobbsee [07:56] moin StevenK === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-189-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-202-7.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-18-227.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] Riddell: Ping. === Zdra [n=zdra@202.230-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-56-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@110.Red-81-39-99.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Russel_ [n=engelzz@p54876933.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] hey seb128 [09:11] hey pitti === test [n=test@ip503d4396.speed.planet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] hello all === marilize_ [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] I want to create a automated Installed, that installs all the packages that I have right now, if possible also the same configs === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-3-190.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] I want to create a automated Installed, that installs all the packages that I have right now... like the ubuntu installer, but then only with the packages that I have... [09:31] test: see pkgsync === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-207-177.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] hey pygi [09:55] pygi: burn, baby, burn! :) [09:55] pygi: currently testing and writing a mail to you [09:58] G0SUB: ping [10:00] pitti, thanks, thanks :) === TheJaaazz [n=hda@h062040154038.bad.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] pitti, I shall have the layer ready for you next week or something [10:06] if I manage not to sleep until then:P [10:07] ah, burning completed [10:07] pitti, with actual content on the cd? :) [10:08] yes, seems so :) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti completes mail and answers === pygi reads mail once he gets it [10:08] sent === infinity rejoices as all the livefses are installable for the first time in ages. [10:10] \o/ [10:10] pitti, you can erase cd with one of the test apps (I can't remember name offhand now) [10:11] pitti, for speed selection, you can ofcourse, just not in the test app [10:13] pygi: yep, I did (test/blank) [10:15] right, right :) === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.36.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] I'll put in a speed selection perhaps, and optional blanking integrated ^_^ [10:16] but that is just for test, anyway ^_^ === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] talk to you later pitti, and thanks for testing :) [10:18] many more testing to come :) === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pygi: \o/ === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] morning guys [10:27] hey fabbione [10:28] ./win 12 [10:28] Ergh. [10:28] infinity: you won? [10:28]