=== nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:20] Did/does Dapper have an (d-i) installation guide, like prior versions? [02:20] or since Ubiquity became 'the way to install' was it dropped? [02:25] it has the traditional install guide [02:25] not sure about the desktop CD though [02:26] since it boots directly to live [02:28] http://tinyurl.com/m48lc [02:28] who's excited about docs on a plane? [02:37] whats up guys [02:37] fo0d time [02:43] jsgotangco: I can't find it on the web [02:51] Plug: what? d-i? [02:55] yeah, for dapper [02:55] it stops at Breezy [02:56] Plug: do you mean the guides off https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation ? [02:58] not as such [02:58] http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs01.html exists [02:58] s/breezy/dapper/, 404. [02:59] hmm [02:59] It's important as dapper uses Etch's d-i, which has, among other things, removed base-config. [02:59] must have gone somewhere [03:00] honestly I've never seen any installation docs [03:00] but I must be looking in the wrong places [03:00] because people say they exist :-) [03:01] I think I've asked before and they've never been there :) I just went to the Debian d-i docs at the time [03:01] I'm doing a huge wikipage update on install CD cutomization [03:01] ah cool [03:03] im pretty positive mdke had it placed on help.u.c during the dapper development cycle [03:24] hmm this change in the front page of the wiki looks pretty self serving [03:46] jsgotangco: the games stuff? i agree === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.45.200.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-97-34.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:52] i wish robotgeek would pop back up..he wanted to split the kdg, i want to know what he splits [04:53] jjesse: SFW, what direction are we taking with it? are we going to split sections? deadline? anythign else you can think of put ;) [04:57] so! [04:57] I've been busy [04:57] on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization [04:58] looks good Plug === nixternal bookmarks that === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-89.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:35] http://www.osnews.com/img/15517/linuxworld2.jpg [05:36] err wtf [05:37] cool, Burgundiva and whiprush [05:39] what's the award? [05:41] not sure [05:45] "Golden Penguin Bowl" trophy - http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15518 [05:53] is it me or do the fedora guys look like jerry's kids? [05:54] omg one of my old bosses is on page 2 [05:54] lol [05:56] nixternal: lemme guess, Mototola? [05:56] haha ya [05:56] :) [05:56] guy martin, as a matter of fact, he is the head dude for the division now [05:56] he is so stinkin' rich now it isn't even funny [05:58] yeah [05:58] apperantly they kicked novells ass [05:58] waah? [05:58] who? [05:58] when? [05:59] Burgundavia and whiprush - at bowling!? [06:00] i know corey is there with one of the Ubuntu Chicago guys [06:00] he is on the planet iirc [06:05] so quick question, there was a to do list for the wiki a while ago [06:06] jjesse: you working on ubuntu switching guide as well? [06:06] but now I cant find it [06:06] poningru: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup [06:06] there you go..have at it ;) [06:06] :) [06:06] thanks [06:07] that is pretty much the wiki todo list..at least it should be..but because of edgy and doc updates it has been put on a back burner [06:07] oh wtf [06:07] lol [06:07] hmm ic [06:07] yeah /me was searching through the wiki [06:07] nixternal: you're cruel [06:07] ;) [06:07] you guys are nuts... :p [06:07] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo === poningru dives in just to spite nixternal [06:08] lol [06:08] the todo list is going to point you to the same thing ;) [06:09] hmm yeah [06:09] so is that geared toward lts or edgy? [06:11] anyone... [06:12] is what geared? [06:15] LaserJock: any luck with the debiandoc stuff? [06:16] heh, not yet [06:16] I"m trying to get through the rest of the week [06:17] LaserJock: the to category cleanup thing [06:17] hehe [06:17] I've got Ubucon on Friday [06:17] nice..i tried to get some time to get there...but i got school crap to get ready for this weekend [06:17] i emailed the professors and was like can we move this stuff until monday..i have a plane to catch for cali [06:17] they are like..nope you have 1 week until class starts [06:18] well, I have 1 presentation almost done, and perhaps I will do another one (I don't know yet :( ) [06:19] nice === poningru still doesnt have the answer :( === poningru looks at nixternal with puppy eyes [06:20] im doin' a goofy lecture next week.. they call it a "lightning" something or other..im doing mine on KDE and PIM for PDA type stuff [06:20] what answer? [06:21] laod [06:21] das [06:21] lol [06:21] dude what is that category cleanup articles supposed to be geared towards? edgy or lts? [06:21] poningru: I don't think it really matters [06:21] if something comes up, leave it alone? [06:22] i usually attack the easy ones truthfully [06:23] get the little ones out of the way and pray someone comes along and takes care of the big ones [06:23] the big ones usually have 4 or 5 other pages with the same stuff [06:23] like NVidia and ATI [06:23] they both have 23483423 pages each..and people keep creating versions that still don't work cuz the driver support is garbage [06:24] well the first on the list 32bit 64bit has pretty good explanation on the forums [06:24] so I was gonna go bug the author [06:24] oh, and who could forget VMware..i have been working on that for who knows how long..and every time i start it back up..they change versions..and when they change versions you upgrade, or your license runs out [06:25] so...i have been working on creating new..and then whiping the others out/merging them into 1 page [06:26] heh [06:28] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_has_a_better_cow_than_Ubuntu [06:29] rofl === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:58] hey they actually dug a malone bug === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-39.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:19] jsgotangco, which one? bug 1? [07:19] Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [07:20] no the super cow powers thing in apt [07:21] link, pls? it's not on digg's front page, and that's as far as I ever bother with digg ;) [07:21] bug 56125 [07:21] Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56125 [07:22] its a critical bug [07:22] heh [07:22] good lord [07:23] ;) === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:14] hi robitaille [08:14] Hi Madpilot [08:15] hi Madpilot [08:15] hi Plug [08:16] what needs cleaning up about h.u.c/coimmunity/ClamAV ? [08:16] I tidied it up some weeks ago but see its made it back in [08:17] Plug, ah, that was my fault, I see. If you think it's sane currently, go ahead and take it back out of Cleanup === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-3-190.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] does anyone know if jjesse's patches are cumulative? [10:33] i don't know..he just came up with a big chunk tonight, which i see you posted [10:33] i don't think that included teh phil bull ones though [10:34] phil bull has the preparing.xml patch [10:34] couples posts ago [10:35] I'll let jonathan review it then [10:36] i think he did, and that is what brought up the reason of him mailing the list..he couldn't commit [10:36] i can review and validate local if you would like..or just wait for jonathan to do so [10:36] actually..it is 3:30am..im off to bed [10:37] g'nite === mpt [n=mpt@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:59] does anyone know why we use this: [12:59] +Ubuntu'> === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.45.200.34] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:43] lloydinho: yeah, I'll do that now [01:43] mkde: cool [01:43] lloydinho: one thing - the interwiki links will not work [01:43] hm! [01:43] you can change those to urls afterwards, or before, if you prefer [01:44] before is better, if you want to put it on the website, if you want it to stay on the wiki, after is better [01:44] well... I'd much prefer to just have to do the changes once. [01:44] So I'll just do them now. [01:45] by "interwiki" you mean the links that refer to other pages in the Ubuntu wiki? Or pages in the Doc wiki? [01:45] both of those [01:45] okay, I'll get back to you shortly. [01:45] the latter doesn't exist though, right? [01:46] anything which isn't a url, basically [01:46] right, I'll run through the doc now, then. [01:46] (unlink LoCo, btw) [01:47] that's one hell of a document, great work [01:47] hm, I thought I found all of those. I'll check again. === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@12.45.200.34] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [02:44] wow, running the whole doc again, there was a fair few things that needed fixing.. [02:45] mdke, it's all yours to export and commit, now. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:04] lloydinho: uploaded. I haven't tidied the xml because tidy seems to have an annoying bug which means that it loses a whitespace after a link [03:11] mdke: cool, thanks. Don't know what to do about the tidy bit, though. [03:13] we can use tidy then correct the spaces [03:14] well, you make it sound so easy ;-) [03:50] lloydinho: heh, am struggling with some validity issues with it though [03:51] yeah, I saw that. Mostly problems with the bold type, as far as I can see. [03:51] yes. I suspect a bug for mvirkkil [03:52] Actually, most of the bold types I'd rather turn into little info boxes - but I don't know if it is possible to do directly in the wiki. [03:52] mvirkkil: if you have time, a bug for you with emphasis tags not getting closed here: http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu [03:52] (that would save some editing later on) [03:53] ooh, they don't get closed on the Moin page either [03:53] perhaps a moin bug then [03:54] strange, why would it do it in moin and not on the Ubuntu wiki? [03:54] devel version [04:08] mdke: Ok. I'll try to see if I can fix it :) [04:08] mvirkkil: seems to be a moin bug, see #moin [04:11] mdke: Yeah, I'm seeing it like that too :/ === sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-97-34.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:58] lloydinho: alright, I've hacked out all the errors, you should probably give it a quick proof read [05:59] mdke - cool. Will do. [06:02] lloydinho: that is one hell of a good job [06:03] congrats [06:03] hi lloydinho [06:03] mdke: thanks! [06:03] hi LaserJock [06:03] .. it's eaten the whitespaces after each link, but otherwise it looks fine. [06:04] lloydinho: check out http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/ubucon.odp [06:04] it's getting close to done [06:04] oh damn, I corrected it once, then reverted and forgot to correct again [06:05] mdke, btw. People are still proof-reading the original on the wiki - I hope it won't be a problem to export it again later? [06:06] if there aren't that many changes we could probably use the moin diff and do it manually [06:06] well, I might have to go through it again and hack the errors out, we'll see [06:06] the bold bug has been fixed already though [06:08] maybe most of the errors were due to that === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:09] mdke: I think so, I didn't notice any other problems when I first looked at it. [06:10] in any case, it is something we will have to figure out, if we are going towards more wiki-based doc writing. [06:10] i mean in terms of the docbook [06:10] yes, sure. [06:11] lloydinho: you can try the exporting procedure yourself by using the wiki at docbook.wikiwikiweb.de (http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu) [06:11] mdke: yes, I meant the first docbook draft that you posted. [06:12] mdke: cool. I'll try it out. [06:12] you can test validity using the validate.sh script in our repo [06:12] wait until mvirkkil has updated the wiki though, because that will fix the bold bug [06:12] when are we going to get that great feature? wiki2docbook that is [06:13] cool. Yes, I tried that before when I did patches for the desktop guides. [06:13] LaserJock, your presentation looks good. [06:13] A bit text heavy, maybe - but good. [06:14] ok [06:14] You should perhaps consider less information on each slide, or maybe just string the info out over several slides. [06:14] yeah [06:14] I'm used to science presentations :-) [06:14] and pictures! More pictures! [06:14] bah, pictures [06:14] ;-) [06:14] I'll try [06:15] nixternal: it's active on the wiki I posted above [06:15] already works quite well [06:15] jsgotangco suggested a picture or 2 from Paris [06:15] check the wiki pages for the various summits. There are lots of pictures there [06:15] mdke: i use do the same thing actually..i use moinmoin, create the page, export it, and then delete it [06:15] wow [06:15] i do the same thing* [06:15] fumblefingers already this morning [06:16] oh, and LaserJock - you should definitely have slide presenting yourself and how you got involved. [06:16] yeah, yeah [06:17] I was planning on doing more of talking about that [06:17] but maybe a slide would help out [06:17] Telling the sordid story of one mild-mannered chemist turned into a raging ubunt-holic. ;-) [06:17] *ubuntu-holic [06:18] lloydinho: simply amazing work on the list you created...amazing job! [06:18] nixternal, thanks! [06:18] i think everything is covered [06:18] and then some [06:20] heh. Yeah, it's probably to big, too. Writing it, I really wanted there to be some procedure for creating new teams. [06:20] heh, why create a team now, you listed every team known to man ;) [06:20] I think at least 2 or 3 new teams came up in the past 2 weeks. [06:21] "Forum howto to help.ubuntu.com" team, PDA testers team, what have you ... [06:21] and I haven't even gone through all of the launchpad teams.. *shudder* [06:22] mwuahaha [06:22] oh ya, i see the pda team is on there now..hehe [06:23] I realized last night that I'm missing translation [06:25] yeah. It wasn't until a couple of days ago that I realized that I'd forgotten the Ubuntu Women's team. [06:25] Now, hopefully, the community won't grow any more :-P [06:26] ooh, that would have been bad ;) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sara [n=sara@pool-70-106-97-34.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-3-190.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-72-64-211-106.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru__ [n=poningru@pool-71-251-119-89.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:13] by the way, I'm finally back to where I can work on docs. the guy who was living in the computer room has gone back to ireland :)