[02:20] <Plug> Did/does Dapper have an (d-i) installation guide, like prior versions?
[02:20] <Plug> or since Ubiquity became 'the way to install' was it dropped?
[02:25] <jsgotangco> it has the traditional install guide
[02:25] <jsgotangco> not sure about the desktop CD though
[02:26] <jsgotangco> since it boots directly to live
[02:28] <HighBit> http://tinyurl.com/m48lc
[02:28] <HighBit> who's excited about docs on a plane?
[02:37] <nixternal> whats up guys
[02:37] <nixternal> fo0d time
[02:43] <Plug> jsgotangco: I can't find it on the web
[02:51] <Laser_away> Plug: what? d-i?
[02:55] <Plug> yeah, for dapper
[02:55] <Plug> it stops at Breezy
[02:56] <bimberi> Plug: do you mean the guides off https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation ?
[02:58] <Plug> not as such
[02:58] <Plug> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/apcs01.html exists
[02:58] <Plug> s/breezy/dapper/, 404.
[02:59] <Laser_away> hmm
[02:59] <Plug> It's important as dapper uses Etch's d-i, which has, among other things, removed base-config.
[02:59] <Laser_away> must have gone somewhere
[03:00] <Laser_away> honestly I've never seen any installation docs
[03:00] <Laser_away> but I must be looking in the wrong places
[03:00] <Laser_away> because people say they exist :-)
[03:01] <Plug> I think I've asked before and they've never been there :)  I just went to the Debian d-i docs at the time
[03:01] <Plug> I'm doing a huge wikipage update on install CD cutomization
[03:01] <Laser_away> ah cool
[03:03] <jsgotangco> im pretty positive mdke had it placed on help.u.c during the dapper development cycle
[03:24] <jsgotangco> hmm this change in the front page of the wiki looks pretty self serving
[03:46] <bimberi> jsgotangco: the games stuff?  i agree
[04:52] <nixternal> i wish robotgeek would pop back up..he wanted to split the kdg, i want to know what he splits
[04:53] <nixternal> jjesse: SFW, what direction are we taking with it?  are we going to split sections?  deadline?  anythign else you can think of put <here> ;)
[04:57] <Plug> so!
[04:57] <Plug> I've been busy
[04:57] <Plug> on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[04:58] <nixternal> looks good Plug
[05:35] <poningru> http://www.osnews.com/img/15517/linuxworld2.jpg
[05:36] <poningru> err wtf
[05:37] <LaserJock> cool, Burgundiva and whiprush
[05:39] <bimberi_> what's the award?
[05:41] <LaserJock> not sure
[05:45] <bimberi_> "Golden Penguin Bowl" trophy - http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15518
[05:53] <nixternal> is it me or do the fedora guys look like jerry's kids?
[05:54] <nixternal> omg one of my old bosses is on page 2
[05:54] <nixternal> lol
[05:56] <bimberi_> nixternal: lemme guess, Mototola?
[05:56] <nixternal> haha ya
[05:56] <bimberi_> :)
[05:56] <nixternal> guy martin, as a matter of fact, he is the head dude for the division now
[05:56] <nixternal> he is so stinkin' rich now it isn't even funny
[05:58] <poningru> yeah
[05:58] <poningru> apperantly they kicked novells ass
[05:58] <poningru> waah?
[05:58] <poningru> who?
[05:58] <jjesse> when?
[05:59] <bimberi_> Burgundavia and whiprush - at bowling!?
[06:00] <nixternal> i know corey is there with one of the Ubuntu Chicago guys
[06:00] <poningru> he is on the planet iirc
[06:05] <poningru> so quick question, there was a to do list for the wiki a while ago
[06:06] <nixternal> jjesse: you working on ubuntu switching guide as well?
[06:06] <poningru> but now I cant find it
[06:06] <nixternal> poningru: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup
[06:06] <nixternal> there you go..have at it ;)
[06:06] <poningru> :)
[06:06] <poningru> thanks
[06:07] <nixternal> that is pretty much the wiki todo list..at least it should be..but because of edgy and doc updates it has been put on a back burner
[06:07] <poningru> oh wtf
[06:07] <nixternal> lol
[06:07] <poningru> hmm ic
[06:07] <poningru> yeah /me was searching through the wiki
[06:07] <bimberi_> nixternal: you're cruel
[06:07] <bimberi_> ;)
[06:07] <poningru> you guys are nuts... :p
[06:07] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiToDo
[06:08] <nixternal> lol
[06:08] <nixternal> the todo list is going to point you to the same thing ;)
[06:09] <poningru> hmm yeah
[06:09] <poningru> so is that geared toward lts or edgy?
[06:11] <poningru> anyone...
[06:12] <LaserJock> is what geared?
[06:15] <nixternal> LaserJock: any luck with the debiandoc stuff?
[06:16] <LaserJock> heh, not yet
[06:16] <LaserJock> I"m trying to get through the rest of the week
[06:17] <poningru> LaserJock: the to category cleanup thing
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've got Ubucon on Friday
[06:17] <nixternal> nice..i tried to get some time to get there...but i got school crap to get ready for this weekend
[06:17] <nixternal> i emailed the professors and was like can we move this stuff until monday..i have a plane to catch for cali
[06:17] <nixternal> they are like..nope you have 1 week until class starts
[06:18] <LaserJock> well, I have 1 presentation almost done, and perhaps I will do another one (I don't know yet :( )
[06:19] <nixternal> nice
[06:20] <nixternal> im doin' a goofy lecture next week.. they call it a "lightning" something or other..im doing mine on KDE and PIM for PDA type stuff
[06:20] <nixternal> what answer?
[06:21] <nixternal> laod
[06:21] <nixternal> das
[06:21] <nixternal> lol
[06:21] <poningru> dude what is that category cleanup articles supposed to be geared towards? edgy or lts?
[06:21] <LaserJock> poningru: I don't think it really matters
[06:21] <poningru> if something comes up, leave it alone?
[06:22] <nixternal> i usually attack the easy ones truthfully
[06:23] <nixternal> get the little ones out of the way and pray someone comes along and takes care of the big ones
[06:23] <nixternal> the big ones usually have 4 or 5 other pages with the same stuff
[06:23] <nixternal> like NVidia and ATI
[06:23] <nixternal> they both have 23483423 pages each..and people keep creating versions that still don't work cuz the driver support is garbage
[06:24] <poningru> well the first on the list 32bit 64bit has pretty good explanation on the forums 
[06:24] <poningru> so I was gonna go bug the author
[06:24] <nixternal> oh, and who could forget VMware..i have been working on that for who knows how long..and every time i start it back up..they change versions..and when they change versions you upgrade, or your license runs out
[06:25] <nixternal> so...i have been working on creating new..and then whiping the others out/merging them into 1 page
[06:26] <poningru> heh
[06:28] <poningru> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Gentoo_has_a_better_cow_than_Ubuntu
[06:29] <poningru> rofl
[06:58] <jsgotangco> hey they actually dug a malone bug
[07:19] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, which one? bug 1?
[07:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ubuntu-meta "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[07:20] <jsgotangco> no the super cow powers thing in apt
[07:21] <Madpilot> link, pls? it's not on digg's front page, and that's as far as I ever bother with digg ;)
[07:21] <bimberi_> bug 56125
[07:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56125
[07:22] <jsgotangco> its a critical bug
[07:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:22] <Madpilot> good lord
[07:23] <Madpilot> ;)
[08:14] <Madpilot> hi robitaille 
[08:14] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot 
[08:15] <Plug> hi Madpilot
[08:15] <Madpilot> hi Plug 
[08:16] <Plug> what needs cleaning up about h.u.c/coimmunity/ClamAV ?
[08:16] <Plug> I tidied it up some weeks ago but see its made it back in
[08:17] <Madpilot> Plug, ah, that was my fault, I see. If you think it's sane currently, go ahead and take it back out of Cleanup
[10:22] <mdke> does anyone know if jjesse's patches are cumulative?
[10:33] <nixternal> i don't know..he just came up with a big chunk tonight, which i see you posted
[10:33] <nixternal> i don't think that included teh phil bull ones though
[10:34] <nixternal> phil bull has the preparing.xml patch
[10:34] <nixternal> couples posts ago
[10:35] <mdke> I'll let jonathan review it then
[10:36] <nixternal> i think he did, and that is what brought up the reason of him mailing the list..he couldn't commit
[10:36] <nixternal> i can review and validate local if you would like..or just wait for jonathan to do so
[10:36] <nixternal> actually..it is 3:30am..im off to bed
[10:37] <nixternal> g'nite
[12:59] <mdke> does anyone know why we use this:
[12:59] <mdke> +<!ENTITY ubuntu '<phrase>Ubuntu</phrase>'>
[01:43] <mdke> lloydinho: yeah, I'll do that now
[01:43] <lloydinho> mkde: cool
[01:43] <mdke> lloydinho: one thing - the interwiki links will not work
[01:43] <lloydinho> hm!
[01:43] <mdke> you can change those to urls afterwards, or before, if you prefer
[01:44] <mdke> before is better, if you want to put it on the website, if you want it to stay on the wiki, after is better
[01:44] <lloydinho> well... I'd much prefer to just have to do the changes once.
[01:44] <lloydinho> So I'll just do them now.
[01:45] <lloydinho> by "interwiki" you mean the links that refer to other pages in the Ubuntu wiki? Or pages in the Doc wiki?
[01:45] <mdke> both of those
[01:45] <lloydinho> okay, I'll get back to you shortly.
[01:45] <mdke> the latter doesn't exist though, right?
[01:46] <mdke> anything which isn't a url, basically
[01:46] <lloydinho> right, I'll run through the doc now, then.
[01:46] <mdke> (unlink LoCo, btw)
[01:47] <mdke> that's one hell of a document, great work
[01:47] <lloydinho> hm, I thought I found all of those. I'll check again.
[02:44] <lloydinho> wow, running the whole doc again, there was a fair few things that needed fixing..
[02:45] <lloydinho> mdke, it's all yours to export and commit, now.
[03:04] <mdke> lloydinho: uploaded. I haven't tidied the xml because tidy seems to have an annoying bug which means that it loses a whitespace after a link
[03:11] <lloydinho> mdke: cool, thanks. Don't know what to do about the tidy bit, though.
[03:13] <mdke> we can use tidy then correct the spaces
[03:14] <lloydinho> well, you make it sound so easy ;-)
[03:50] <mdke> lloydinho: heh, am struggling with some validity issues with it though
[03:51] <lloydinho> yeah, I saw that. Mostly problems with the bold type, as far as I can see.
[03:51] <mdke> yes. I suspect a bug for mvirkkil 
[03:52] <lloydinho> Actually, most of the bold types I'd rather turn into little info boxes - but I don't know if it is possible to do directly in the wiki.
[03:52] <mdke> mvirkkil: if you have time, a bug for you with emphasis tags not getting closed here: http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu
[03:52] <lloydinho> (that would save some editing later on)
[03:53] <mdke> ooh, they don't get closed on the Moin page either
[03:53] <mdke> perhaps a moin bug then
[03:54] <lloydinho> strange, why would it do it in moin and not on the Ubuntu wiki?
[03:54] <mdke> devel version
[04:08] <mvirkkil> mdke: Ok. I'll try to see if I can fix it :)
[04:08] <mdke> mvirkkil: seems to be a moin bug, see #moin
[04:11] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yeah, I'm seeing it like that too :/
[05:58] <mdke> lloydinho: alright, I've hacked out all the errors, you should probably give it a quick proof read
[05:59] <lloydinho> mdke - cool. Will do.
[06:02] <mdke> lloydinho: that is one hell of a good job
[06:03] <mdke> congrats
[06:03] <Laser_away> hi lloydinho 
[06:03] <lloydinho> mdke: thanks! 
[06:03] <lloydinho> hi LaserJock 
[06:03] <lloydinho> .. it's eaten the whitespaces after each link, but otherwise it looks fine.
[06:04] <LaserJock> lloydinho: check out http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/ubucon.odp
[06:04] <LaserJock> it's getting close to done
[06:04] <mdke> oh damn, I corrected it once, then reverted and forgot to correct again
[06:05] <lloydinho> mdke, btw. People are still proof-reading the original on the wiki - I hope it won't be a problem to export it again later?
[06:06] <LaserJock> if there aren't that many changes we could probably use the moin diff and do it manually
[06:06] <mdke> well, I might have to go through it again and hack the errors out, we'll see
[06:06] <mdke> the bold bug has been fixed already though
[06:08] <mdke> maybe most of the errors were due to that
[06:09] <lloydinho> mdke: I think so, I didn't notice any other problems when I first looked at it.
[06:10] <lloydinho> in any case, it is something we will have to figure out, if we are going towards more wiki-based doc writing.
[06:10] <mdke> i mean in terms of the docbook
[06:10] <mdke> yes, sure.
[06:11] <mdke> lloydinho: you can try the exporting procedure yourself by using the wiki at docbook.wikiwikiweb.de (http://docbook.wikiwikiweb.de/MatthewEast/ContributeToUbuntu)
[06:11] <lloydinho> mdke: yes, I meant the first docbook draft that you posted.
[06:12] <lloydinho> mdke: cool. I'll try it out.
[06:12] <mdke> you can test validity using the validate.sh script in our repo
[06:12] <mdke> wait until mvirkkil has updated the wiki though, because that will fix the bold bug
[06:12] <nixternal> when are we going to get that great feature?  wiki2docbook that is
[06:13] <lloydinho> cool. Yes, I tried that before when I did patches for the desktop guides.
[06:13] <lloydinho> LaserJock, your presentation looks good. 
[06:13] <lloydinho> A bit text heavy, maybe - but good.
[06:14] <LaserJock> ok
[06:14] <lloydinho> You should perhaps consider less information on each slide, or maybe just string the info out over several slides.
[06:14] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:14] <LaserJock> I'm used to science presentations :-)
[06:14] <lloydinho> and pictures! More pictures!
[06:14] <LaserJock> bah, pictures
[06:14] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:14] <LaserJock> I'll try
[06:15] <mdke> nixternal: it's active on the wiki I posted above
[06:15] <mdke> already works quite well
[06:15] <LaserJock> jsgotangco suggested a picture or 2 from Paris
[06:15] <lloydinho> check the wiki pages for the various summits. There are lots of pictures there
[06:15] <nixternal> mdke: i use do the same thing actually..i use moinmoin, create the page, export it, and then delete it
[06:15] <nixternal> wow
[06:15] <nixternal> i do the same thing*
[06:15] <nixternal> fumblefingers already this morning
[06:16] <lloydinho> oh, and LaserJock - you should definitely have slide presenting yourself and how you got involved.
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, yeah
[06:17] <LaserJock> I was planning on doing more of talking about that
[06:17] <LaserJock> but maybe a slide would help out
[06:17] <lloydinho> Telling the sordid story of one mild-mannered chemist turned into a raging ubunt-holic. ;-)
[06:17] <lloydinho> *ubuntu-holic
[06:18] <nixternal> lloydinho: simply amazing work on the list you created...amazing job!
[06:18] <lloydinho> nixternal, thanks!
[06:18] <nixternal> i think everything is covered
[06:18] <nixternal> and then some
[06:20] <lloydinho> heh. Yeah, it's probably to big, too. Writing it, I really wanted there to be some procedure for creating new teams.
[06:20] <nixternal> heh, why create a team now, you listed every team known to man ;)
[06:20] <lloydinho> I think at least 2 or 3 new teams came up in the past 2 weeks.
[06:21] <lloydinho> "Forum howto to help.ubuntu.com" team, PDA testers team, what have you ... 
[06:21] <lloydinho> and I haven't even gone through all of the launchpad teams.. *shudder*
[06:22] <LaserJock> mwuahaha
[06:22] <nixternal> oh ya, i see the pda team is on there now..hehe
[06:23] <LaserJock> I realized last night that I'm missing translation
[06:25] <lloydinho> yeah. It wasn't until a couple of days ago that I realized that I'd forgotten the Ubuntu Women's team.
[06:25] <lloydinho> Now, hopefully, the community won't grow any more :-P
[06:26] <nixternal> ooh, that would have been bad ;)
[11:13] <trappist> by the way, I'm finally back to where I can work on docs.  the guy who was living in the computer room has gone back to ireland :)