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MitchMvery nice12:05
MitchMI just "barrowed" a company UPS label for such purposes =)12:05
MitchMgot about 4 per side12:05
MitchMstickered my "cubicle"12:05
jendanixternal: are those from the german site?12:09
nixternalnope, i made those today12:10
jendaah12:10
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy12:10
jendaAnd... you did know that I already did quite a bit of work on stickers... right?12:10
jenda:)12:10
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jendahttp://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/12:11
jendaThat's all the works in progress too.12:11
nixternali just replied to John's email...12:11
MitchMjenda : with the stickers I ordered what color do i get?12:11
nixternalnice work jenda12:12
jendaMitchM: brown12:12
jendaas on the wiki12:12
nixternaljenda, i likey likey those stickers12:13
jendanixternal: should I add yours on there too?12:13
nixternali don't care ;)12:13
nixternaladd um, hack um, do whatever ;)12:13
jendaActually, I think I should write a report of my activity to the ML...12:13
jendahehe ;)12:13
MitchM=)12:13
jendaactually, it might be best to just commit them to bzr - we have some diy in there... damn I gotta make some order in that :(12:14
jendaOK - I won't touch them now, but ASAP, I'll try to figure out the best way for us to store such data.12:15
nixternalim talking to one of the Ubuntu Chicago guys at Ubucon right now..he is on his blackberry, chillin' with Corey Burger at the Gnome booth12:15
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jendaaww12:15
nixternali didn't know you could jabber with a blackberry12:15
jendanixternal: Aha - I see. Yours include Kubuntu and the rest...12:20
jendaI wonder if I could sell those if I printed them.12:20
jenda(Oh, and BTW, all those stickers aren't my design. I worked only on the case badges - Ville "Commodore" Sokk designed the rest)12:21
nixternali just whipped the ones on that page up in less then 5 minutes i think12:24
nixternalthe hardest part was the rounded rectangle ;)12:24
MitchMyou should include a batch with the url nixternal12:24
MitchMthat way people that dont know what it is can just go to the website12:25
nixternali can that12:26
nixternalthat is actually a great idea12:26
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jendanixternal, I have a suggestion...12:28
jendahttp://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/poweredbyubuntularge.svg12:28
jendaThat might be a good base for a "download Ubuntu at www.ubuntu.com" sticker...12:29
jendanixternal: and please see: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/download.svg12:29
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johnlittleThe Houston Chronicle contacted me about Ubuntu Video today..they might be doing a story on it.12:39
jendawow )12:39
johnlittle7th biggest us paper..I might know something this week12:39
johnlittleso how many different batches of stickers are you guys printing up?12:41
jendaThat is very cool.12:41
jendaI'm printing three - wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Shipping12:41
lophytejohnlittle: I've got a couple of people from Toronto meeting up next week to discuss videos :)12:45
lophyteI'll have to keep you updated about what we're doing12:45
johnlittleawesome12:45
johnlittlestart a wiki12:45
johnlittlehow'd you find them?12:45
lophytethey're members of Ubuntu Canada12:45
johnlittlevery cool12:46
lophyteI'm thinking I'll start a wiki subpage under the CanadianTeam page12:46
lophytelike CanadianTeam/Toronto12:46
johnlittlefeel free to lay down a Rush track and drink beer on camera12:46
lophytehaha12:47
johnlittleI just talked my 14 year old niece into staring in some linux commercials..we might make some this weekend12:47
johnlittleshes a goofball so that could be interesting12:48
lophyteniice12:49
lophyteI'll forward you an idea someone just tossed out on the ubuntu-ca mailing list12:50
johnlittlek12:50
lophytesent12:52
johnlittlevery cool..you guys are going all out huh12:53
johnlittlejust do anything but an Xgl demo please ;)12:53
lophytehaha12:54
johnlittle900 linux video on the web and 850 of them are Xgl demos12:54
lophytewell, we'll see what happens next week12:54
johnlittlecool..whatever you come up with will be cool12:54
johnlittleit doesnt have to be uber professional12:54
nixternalyou can't get paid since you hang out here int he marketing channel..otherwise i will sue you all and own your stinkin' cameras ;)12:57
nixternaltypical new york snobbish attitude..you detect that at all?12:57
nixternalhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/226112:57
johnlittlewha?12:57
nixternalwoohoo...kubuntu is gonna have the hardware info db built in now12:57
nixternalwe sure could use access to that12:58
nixternalhttp://hwdb.ubuntu.com/12:58
johnlittlemaybe you wont krash as much01:00
johnlittle;P01:00
johnlittlelots of laptops01:01
johnlittleamazing video: http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6313613059572588466&hl=en01:05
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MitchMwhat program is that?01:13
johnlittlePenmount touchscreen01:15
johnlittlethe guy is running gentoo but its so cool i may post it anyway01:15
johnlittlewhat do you think?01:15
johnlittleoh man he drops the F bomb right in the middle01:18
nixternalya typical gentoo ricer user01:19
nixternali wouldn't post it, plus you can easily do that with every other os there is01:19
johnlittlemake me an ubuntu version ;p01:21
johnlittlei could post it with the headline "Typical Gentoo User" and watch the war start01:22
ompaulbe nice01:23
ompaul:)01:23
johnlittleBut of course01:23
johnlittlenothin but love ;)01:24
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rjianHello people03:43
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elkbunturjian, where abouts are you located? .au?04:02
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elkbunturjian, ping?04:16
rjianhello elkbuntu04:22
elkbunturjian, where abouts are you located? .au?04:24
rjiannope Philippines04:25
rjiany elkbuntu?04:26
elkbunturjian, just wondering. if you were from .au i was going to invite you into the loco team channel04:28
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rjianelkbuntu you mean u want me to join on ur team?04:36
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poningruhttp://www.osnews.com/img/15517/linuxworld2.jpg05:37
poningruanyone recognize??05:37
bimberi_Corey Burger and Jorge Castro05:38
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elkbuntujohnlittle, ping?05:55
johnlittleelkbuntu: pong05:55
elkbuntuhow can i sort of shrink the resolution of a vid? i've made one with xvidcap of the akamaru kiba dock.. but it's sort of 1280x768 frames :|05:56
elkbuntuit's an mpeg05:56
elkbuntui cant seem to see a way to record with smaller frames.. or im not understanding how...05:57
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johnlittlecrazy huh lol05:58
johnlittlelet me look at something05:58
ormiretelkbuntu: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-rescale.html05:59
elkbuntuthanks ormiret05:59
johnlittlewhat he said06:00
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johnlittleG'Night marketing gurus06:42
poningru:)06:53
poningrunight dude06:53
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MitchM_night gang07:13
johnlittleelkbuntu: ping07:36
elkbuntujohnlittle, pong? thought you went to bed07:37
johnlittlechecking my mail one last time and saw your post..awesome. its up on the site. thanks07:37
elkbuntunice07:37
elkbuntuah.. one thing.. it's not my dock07:38
johnlittleYou didn't record the demo?07:38
elkbuntuas in, i didnt make it07:38
elkbuntui did07:38
johnlittleclose enough..that's what I meant07:38
elkbuntubut.. say it's my dock might get people annoyed07:38
johnlittlehmm07:39
Madpilotnixternal, nice Powered By... graphics, btw07:39
johnlittlethere07:39
johnlittleworked your name into the body07:40
elkbuntuok ;)07:40
johnlittleok thanks again..nite07:40
elkbuntunite john07:41
nixternal thx Madpilot08:00
Madpilotnixternal, I'm actually working on a more colourful version of your Ubuntu one right now :)08:01
nixternalsweet!08:01
nixternalim a newbie when it comes to graphics..so of course mine are very basic08:01
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Madpilotnixternal, they work, only problem is they use MS fonts :(08:05
nixternali used arial i know..but the other fonts in linux i really don't like08:07
nixternalsamanta or whatever is kind of cool, but renders poorly at small sizes08:07
Madpilotnixternal, http://www.warbard.ca/temp/PbU-colour.png08:10
nixternalthats purty ;)08:10
nixternalinkscape is a weakness for me..i can't do the funky stuff yet08:11
Madpilotthanks08:11
Madpilotgreat Inkscape textbook, online: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/08:11
Madpilotthat dark red/maroon colour at the bottom of the PbU might be too dark, but it's such a nice colour...08:12
poningruyarr08:23
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Madpilotnixternal, one minor tweak to the coloured version: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/poweredbyubuntu-coloured.png08:52
MadpilotSVG here: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/poweredbyubuntu-coloured.svg08:52
MadpilotI'll create a space for them on the PoweredBy page in a bit08:53
nixternalwhat was the tweak08:53
Madpilotgrey drop shadow under the logo08:54
jendaMadpilot: i don't think the two colors will look good on paper.08:55
Madpilotjenda, the dark red, you mean? I'm afraid of that myself08:57
rjianhello people08:58
mdkeMadpilot: if you are tweaking, how about removing the "linux"?08:59
nixternalkeep the linux, thats what Ubuntu is09:00
elkbuntuor changing it to GNU/linux09:00
nixternalarg, that stinkin' GNU always shovin' its nose in ;)09:00
MadpilotRMS/Linux ;)09:00
elkbuntulol09:00
nixternalarg, rms is over with09:00
nixternalThank you for taking part in the Microsoft Future Assured Quiz.09:01
nixternalYour copy of Windows Vista Beta 2 CD will be dispatched shortly09:01
mdkejust because people are still making the mistake that the OS is called "Ubuntu Linux" and we should avoid encouraging that09:01
jendaMadpilot: I mean the color break... I'd go with a single color09:01
nixternalhaha09:01
elkbuntujenda, how much do your stickers cost?09:01
jendaMadpilot, nixternal, the name is Ubuntu - not Ubnutu Linux...09:02
jendaelkbuntu: $3 for 10, $5 for 20, $10 for 5009:02
nixternalwell "linux for human beings" wouldn't fit09:02
jendaerr... make thta $8 for 40 - I don't have 50 left anymore :-D09:02
mdkeyeah, nothing is better09:02
Madpilotnixternal, it would, but not readably :)09:02
nixternaland like i said...you are free to change it09:02
elkbuntuwhich currency?09:02
nixternalim not changing it09:03
mdkenixternal: what's the reason, you just don't have time, or you actively want to promote the name "Ubuntu linux"?09:03
elkbuntuand im willing to wait for the next batch09:03
nixternali created revision 1, release it to the world..the great thing about open source is people can do what ever they want with..im promoting open source, go ahead and hack away ;)09:03
mdkeI don't know how to change that, and Madpilot seems to be playing with it now, so I thought I'd mention it09:04
nixternalthat, and im about to goto bed ;)09:04
elkbuntunixternal, personlly, "Ubuntu Linux - Linux for Human Beings" is like saying "Automatic Teller Machine Machine" (for ATM Machine)09:04
nixternali will change it eventually ;)09:04
Madpilothttp://www.warbard.ca/temp/poweredbyubuntu-coloured2.png09:04
nixternali was going to do it earlier, but got sidetracked09:04
mdkenice09:05
nixternalwell see, if im sitting n the cafe, which i normall do, and people see "Powered by Ubuntu Linux" then they don't ask me what Ubuntu is, and i stay peaceful ;)09:05
nixternallooks good Madpilot ;)09:05
Madpilotthnx09:05
elkbuntuMadpilot, a. like the shadow, b. move "ubuntu" down a wee bit09:05
Madpilotuse the source, elkbuntu ;) http://www.warbard.ca/temp/poweredbyubuntu-coloured2.svg09:07
Madpilotwhat's 'a wee bit'? into the middle of the box it's in?09:07
elkbuntumeh, i was just suggesting, it looks odd being non-centered without the 'linux' bit at the bottom to balance it09:08
Madpilottrue09:08
nixternalour wiki is garbage09:12
nixternalhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PoweredBy09:13
nixternalmdke: updated!!!09:13
nixternal;)09:13
mdkeI knew if i nagged enough...09:13
mdkethanks09:13
nixternallol09:13
nixternali forgot just how simple it was to just remove the linux anyways09:14
Madpilotnixternal, isn't SVG cool? :)09:14
nixternalthat is a great thing w/o a doubt09:14
nixternali just wish i was better with it09:14
elkbuntupractice practice practice ;)09:17
Madpilotopen Inkscape for half an hour every day and just mess around09:19
Madpilothttp://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu-distorted1.png09:19
nixternallooks like a donut that sat out in the sun for to long09:20
Madpilotheh09:20
Madpilotgot sat on by a cop, perhaps ;)09:20
Madpilothttp://www.warbard.ca/temp/C152-photo2.png - photo converted into SVG, effects added in Inkscape09:21
jendaMadpilot, nixternal, do you think I could ask you to upload your results to doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing?09:29
jendaI PM'd you both the password.09:30
jendaThe password is to be given freely to all MT members who need it09:30
nixternali was gonna say...i am not that cool :)   but i guess i am ;)09:30
Madpilotjenda, the wiki can store files just fine - why spread things out further?09:31
jendaAnd... there's a DIY diractory - Please make an appropriately named subdir for your work :)09:31
jendaMadpilot: it would be a pain to store all the stuff in the DIY on the wiki.09:31
jendaA lot of work, that is.09:31
nixternalput it under stickers jenda?09:31
jendanixternal, yes, but please make it a Batch 2 directory09:32
nixternalk09:32
nixternalare we talking svn commit here?09:32
jendasince I will be picking for those for the second batch...09:32
jendanixternal, nope. We have a bzr branch, but it seems to be of no use - it's not accessible through browser.09:33
nixternalahhh ha09:33
nixternalgotcha09:33
jendaMadpilot: or is there a simpler way?09:34
Madpilotjenda, for file storage? Not really, AFAIK09:35
jendaNow the wiki should link to the material, I agree.09:35
jendaSo - please don't hesitate to link to that directory whereever appropriate.09:35
nixternalim definitely lost09:36
jendahm?09:36
nixternaluse the bzr branch on launchpad to upload to?09:36
jendano! ;)09:36
nixternalhow else am i to upload to doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing?09:37
jendassh09:38
jendaphone09:38
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nixternalgotcha09:38
jendaIn your ubuntu, you can just click connect to server, ...09:39
jendaahh...09:39
jendaI forgot: username - marketing :-)09:39
jendanixternal, the directory that will show on that URL is /home/marketing/public_html09:41
nixternali am in the process of upin' now ;)09:42
jendaOK ;)09:42
jendaMadpilot: In fact, I was tending towards putting the showcase material on the wiki - whatever you want people to see, and have the bulk of the source files and discarded stuff on doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing (for example, .svg files for .pngs shown on the wiki).09:44
jendaIt would seem overkill to put all of those things on the wiki.09:44
nixternalhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch_2_Stickers/09:45
jendaperfect09:46
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MadpilotOK, it's been ages since I've set up an SSH connection on Nautilus... why can't I connect?09:49
MadpilotConnection Type: SSH; Server: doc.ubuntu.com; User Name: marketing09:50
nixternalssh marketing@doc.ubuntu.com09:51
nixternalfrom the cmd line09:51
mindspinhehe09:51
nixternalim so used to CLI, sorry ;)09:51
nixternalmy first 6 years in Linux were CLI, as the DE's were garbage then09:51
mindspinin konqueror its fish//remote-adress09:52
nixternalyup09:52
nixternalgood ol' fish09:52
nixternali rarely use konqi, except to look at images09:52
mindspinbut nautilus, no idea09:52
nixternalsudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop09:52
nixternalthats hwo09:52
nixternal;)09:52
mindspinI recently started to use konqui, its not bad at all09:53
mindspinfor scping09:53
nixternali have been messing with the kio structure and what not a little bit helping out the kde devs with some testing..thats about it09:53
nixternali tried it for web browsing, and i cussed more than ever i think09:53
MadpilotYou all inflict either the command line or KDE on yourselves? Am I the only Gnome user here?09:54
mindspinhehe09:54
mindspinask in #ubuntu ;-)09:54
mindspinI would use console09:55
nixternallol09:55
MadpilotI could, but I'd like to get it set up in Nautilus - so convenient09:56
mindspinconvinient, thats why I use konqui sometimes for that09:56
nixternal3am and i start a freakin' vmware install09:57
nixternallike i need another linux distro running in vmware09:57
jendaMadpilot: Gnome here09:57
jendabut I can't see what's wrong there..09:57
Madpilotjenda, good to know there's at least one other sane person present :)09:57
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jendahehe :)09:57
mindspinI spent three hours last nite for a remote upgrade from hoary to breezy to dapper and it failed at last because the disk was full :-(09:58
digitalmousegreetings programs!09:58
elkbuntuMadpilot, no, i use gnome :P09:58
Madpilotjenda, I'm probably doing something stupid WRT SSH setup... don't do it often enough09:58
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elkbuntuMadpilot, pebkac :)09:58
mindspinMadpilot: ssh is installed?09:58
jendayep09:58
jendaMadpilot: hmm... when you click Connect to Server, don't forget to select SSH, since FTP is default...09:59
Madpilotmindspin, it's an outgoing SSH connection, I know they work, I just can't remember how to get Naut to cooperate :)09:59
Madpilotjenda, done that09:59
jendahm09:59
elkbuntujenda, ...schwaaaa? ssh.. click.. wtf?09:59
jendaworks OK here09:59
jendaelkbuntu: sorry :)09:59
elkbuntuscp ftw09:59
jendaMadpilot: try setting /home/marketing/ as the directory... maybe we don't have permissions elsewhere..10:00
jendaelkbuntu: could you send me an email with your order? I'll put you in the queue if folks don't ask for what they've ordered...10:00
jendaDamn, I think I'll order the next batch straight away.10:01
elkbuntujenda, what currency do you need the $$ in?10:01
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jendaNo!10:01
jendaGotta wait for feedback10:01
jendaThat was USD, but I happily accept euro too10:01
jendadifferent price in that.10:01
jendaHow many would you like, elkbuntu?10:01
Madpilotjenda, /home/marketing works - the server wasn't liking the short forms... :|10:02
elkbuntujenda, just 1010:02
elkbuntujenda, im presuming you accept paypal too :P10:03
jendayes10:04
jendaMadpilot: great ;)10:04
elkbuntuthen i'll definately send to you in euro, so paypal doesnt steal too much of it, they like to hike the exchange rates in their favour10:04
elkbuntuunless you're in the states.. hard to tell with cloaked hostmasks :P10:05
jendaNo, i'm in the Czech Republic...10:09
jendaand I thought USD transfers were cheaper... or at least last time I checked...10:09
jenda$0.30 vs 0.35...10:09
elkbuntujenda, not when you then transfer it from usd to euro10:09
jendaah10:10
jendawow ;)10:10
jendatricks10:10
elkbuntuthey get twice the hidden exchange fee then ;)10:10
jendaSo, how many would you like?10:10
jendaah10:10
jenda1010:10
jendamissed it10:10
elkbuntui'm writing the email now, that way you cant forget10:10
jendaOK ;)10:10
jendathx10:11
jendait's easier to track that way.10:11
jenda(jenda, please don't use enter as punctuation...)10:11
elkbuntulol10:11
elkbuntustrange how long it takes to type 2 lines of text sometimes...10:16
nixternalg'nite everyone!!!10:37
digitalmousenite!10:41
mindspinsleep tight10:41
digitalmousenite??10:41
mindspinchicago....10:42
digitalmouse10:41 am here :-p10:42
mindspin@now chicago10:42
jendaelkbuntu: gotcha ;)10:42
mindspin time chicago10:42
digitalmousestill morning in chicago.. that should be g'morning!10:42
mindspinearly morning10:42
digitalmousevery10:42
jendamindspin: no Ubugtu here ;)10:42
mindspini see10:42
mindspinbut someone did a time thing yesterday here10:43
poningruyarr10:46
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jendamatthewrevell: Hello11:45
matthewrevelljenda: hi11:45
jendaI was thinking about the fridge+stickers a bit. I think it could make it to be a story as soon as I get a bit of feedback on from the end-users. THen i'll print a second batch, and then a bit of refridgeration would be great. I will even offer stickers for free who send stamped envelopes ;)11:47
jendaExcept I'm not sure how I'll manage that part internationally. They'll probably have to send a dollar bill instead of a stamped envelope to pay for Czech stamps here...11:47
=== jenda saw that the fridge already had a 'free stickers' story, but the difference is that i send them out in bulk to local Marketeers :)
matthewrevellYep, that's great.11:49
matthewrevellI'm sure we can do a follow-up11:49
matthewrevellI think I prefer your stickers, particularly as you offer a Czech version :)11:49
jendahehe11:52
jendaI was planning a french one, but I was afraid I wouldn't find enough of a 'market'.11:52
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matthewrevellAh, ubuntu-fr is pretty active.11:52
matthewrevellMy mate Bruno is a big chap for that sort of thing11:52
jendaBruno?11:54
matthewrevellsorry, kNo' is his nick11:56
matthewrevellI'm just talking to him about it in #lugradio11:56
matthewrevellYou're welcome to join us :)11:56
jenda;)11:58
jendaI'm inquiring in #ubuntu-fr11:58
matthewrevellcool12:00
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elkbuntuhehe12:06
matthewrevellCool :)12:12
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jendaOi... if one of the people who ordered stickers want a 10 sticker bonus... i need help with creating a one or two page website for it, and it would really be a lot of work to learn for me.12:46
elkbuntujenda, i can do something, and no need to worry about any bonus12:48
jendahehe :)12:48
jendaI don't mind sending 10 more. The printer gave me a bonus anyway :)12:49
elkbuntuhehe12:49
elkbuntui wouldnt know what to do with the extra 1012:49
elkbuntui only have 3 machines12:49
jendaSpread the love.12:51
jendaI made it 8, because that way I don't have to cut as much. 12:51
jendaOoh, australia. That'll probably make good use of the extra 0.50 ;)12:52
elkbuntu;)12:53
MenZajenda: would you mind if I sent a couple to Sweden? A guy just requested some from me.12:53
digitalmousesounds like you are running a regular printing racket, jenda :-)12:54
elkbuntuMenZa, you can make the site for him for the bonus stickers ;)12:54
jendaMenZa: well what can I do ;)12:54
jendaelkbuntu: great idea! ;)12:54
MenZajenda: it was more the fact that I already sold them to you :)12:54
jendaelkbuntu: MenZa has his own stickers which i bought off him... I don't remember why, though :)12:54
elkbuntuso you can have a collection?12:55
jendaMenZa: can you do basic web design?12:55
MenZajenda: I can. Why?12:55
jendaelkbuntu: of 300 extra sticks? sure... :-D12:55
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elkbuntujenda, well.. case stickers dont necissarily have to show any of the case :D12:55
jendaMenZa: we'll make a deal - you'll make me a simple one page ubuntu-themed site (no real content needed), and you can send all you want...12:56
MenZajenda: deal. Do you have any mockups ready?12:56
jendaelkbuntu: great point. But the keyboard of my laptop should show.12:56
jendaMenZa: nope12:56
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MenZajenda: I'll see what I can do.12:56
MenZaI'll look at it in an hour or two.12:56
elkbuntui was going to do it but im arguing with some of my hosts atm, so im not in the best position12:57
jendaBasically, an Ubuntu header, and a place to put a few pictures, some descriptions and a short article describing the project should be enough.12:57
jendaMenZa: no hurry12:57
MenZaGood then :)12:57
jendaI'll add space later on, encouraging others to do similar projects, and offering to host those projects there as well. So that a visitor can choose from all the people who send out DIY material around the world.12:58
MenZaJust a single page?12:58
elkbuntuim having a real crap week internet wise. two webhosts being silly and brother sucked all the bandwidth so we're shaped to dialup speed :(12:58
MenZaDo you want room for more pages?12:58
MenZae.g. a navigation bar?12:59
jendaIf it's possible12:59
jendayes, it would be great.12:59
MenZaWill do.12:59
jendaOK, I'm going to the post office.12:59
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jendaI'm counting on giving a few to you rather in person, MenZa.12:59
MenZajenda: Speaking of which, we might get a bit of time for ourselves :)12:59
matthewrevellelkbuntu: seen the ML lately?12:59
jendaMenZa: that's great :)01:00
elkbuntuwell, jenda later on after MenZa's done some awesome css stuff, he's better at it than me, i can dynamicise it for later projects01:00
jendaOurselves, and beer.01:00
elkbuntumatthewrevell, yes. ompaul had a snigger about it too01:00
jendaelkbuntu: perfect, thanks01:00
MenZaelkbuntu: why, thank you :)01:00
jendamatthewrevell, elkbuntu... would you be referring to JB?01:00
elkbuntujenda, indeed01:01
ompaulelkbuntu, it was more like - who'd a thunk it eh?01:01
jendahehe01:01
elkbuntujenda, he has no sense of humour, as ompaul said01:01
ompaulthe guy did not / does not get OSS01:01
MenZajenda: can't promise that, I'm pretty sure I'll be shipped off home if I drink ;)01:01
jendaHe didn't lack enthusiasm... and free time, though.01:01
jendahehe, OK, MenZa. I'll have a beer, you can have a coke. :-D01:02
ompaulit is not centralized - it is distributed01:02
MenZaGreat :)01:02
MenZa(I don't mind beer myself, but my teachers... groan.)01:02
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ompaul.ie01:03
ompaulI thought I was in -offtopic sorry01:03
MenZalol01:03
elkbuntuompaul, market it as 'if you use ubuntu we'll ship you here' ;)01:03
ompaulfor beer?01:04
MenZaYummy, beer.01:04
elkbuntuim sure we'd get plenty of underage switchers01:04
ompaulelkbuntu, 18 is legal here01:04
elkbuntuyeah, but under 21 in most states of america is underage drinking01:04
MenZa16 for Denmark.01:04
=== MenZa dances
elkbuntuMenZa, lucky bugger01:05
MenZa:D01:05
jendaWow, very lucky01:07
MenZa^^01:07
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MenZajenda: I have a mockup ready for you in a second.01:38
jendawow, great01:38
jendaI was just about to REALLY leave for the post office :)01:39
jendawill you give me 40 minutes?01:39
jenda01:39
MenZajenda: then go, I'll have it done when you're back ;)01:39
jendaOK, great.01:39
=== MenZa prods elkbuntu
elkbuntuhmm?01:39
MenZaAny chance you can make a couple of feeds with the data from the counter? e.g. total number of users, total number of ubuntu users, total machines, clusters etc. etc.01:39
MenZa(brb)01:40
elkbuntuyeah, i've been meaning too, even though i suck with xml01:40
MenZaNot as much as I do ;)01:41
elkbuntuafk also, i'll find a tute to hug like a teddy bear when i get back01:42
MenZaO_o01:42
MenZaMy idea is to include a parser here, which says how many users are using Ubuntu.01:42
MenZa^_^01:42
elkbuntuthe fridge wants something similar also i believe02:21
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FirstStrikezomg02:21
MenZawhy hullo thar.02:22
jendayay, shipped02:23
MenZayay02:24
MenZajenda: just a second.02:24
MenZajenda: ping02:27
MenZahttp://img235.imageshack.us/img235/487/ubuntumarkos7.png02:28
MenZa:D02:28
FirstStrikei'm the anime geek out of the three02:31
MenZalol02:31
MenZaAnime++02:31
MenZa;d02:31
MenZaAnyway, jenda. Ping!.02:31
jendapong02:32
jendalooks great :)02:32
=== jenda is writing down the shipping costs - accounting, sorry for not concentrating :)
MenZaNo worries.02:35
MenZaI'm gonna start coding this then :)02:35
jendaThanks02:35
MenZaI need the RSS feeds from Elkbuntu though.02:43
jendaHalf the stickers are gone, and 76% has been paid for. Looks optimistic.02:43
MenZa:O02:43
MenZaWow.02:43
jendaThe shipping is cheaper than i expected, so where the stickers, and some people leave tips :-D02:43
jendaIt's great - the profit will be used to fuel some marketing efforts...02:43
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MenZa:D02:44
jendaIt will also help fund the next batch, starting by what I'm buying from you. How many will there be left?02:44
MenZaI'm not sure, 280-300 or so.02:44
jendaGood nuff02:45
jendabasically, it boils down to $1/10pcs, which is a good price. The same I had.02:45
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MenZagd, gd :)02:45
jendaI'll buy it from the profit, if there turns up to be one (I'm still $30 in the red)02:45
MenZaAh.02:46
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elkbuntuthe rss feeds might be a bit off, MenZa sort of run out of space on the counter hosting 'cos of the stats... negotiating with the host now02:52
matthewrevellwooh, my Ubuntu membership got approved02:52
elkbuntuyay02:52
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MenZaelkbuntu: good, good :)02:52
jendamatthewrevell: CONGRATULATIONS!02:52
MenZacongrats matthewrevell :)02:52
jendaWelcome to the team!02:52
matthewrevellcheers :)02:52
jendaYou deserve it.02:52
matthewrevellthanks02:52
MenZaelkbuntu: point out it's a non-profit project helping thousands of people.02:53
elkbuntuMenZa, it's el-cheapo hosting02:53
matthewrevelljenda: when did you ubuntu.com address get sorted?02:53
MenZaelkbuntu: no way as cheap as mine.02:53
elkbuntuMenZa, no, it's not free :P02:54
MenZalol elkbuntu02:54
MenZaPoint taken.02:54
jendamatthewrevell: it took a while... I'm not sure how long.02:54
jendaanywhere from 3 days to 14 :-D02:54
matthewrevelljenda: Ah, okay. No rush.02:54
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jendaelkbuntu: MitchM was offering hostage... I dunno if it's still up for grabs, though.02:55
jendaHello hybrid02:55
elkbuntujenda, the cost is no bother, it's just.. i didnt realise the account was so full02:55
bimberimatthewrevell: i thought it happened automatically from the launchpad id02:56
jendaI didn't mean cost - but maybe the quality is better, dunno.02:56
jendabimberi: it does, but takes a while.02:56
matthewrevellMitchM: Yeah? oh.02:56
bimberimatthewrevell: congrats btw - i didn't get the chance to say that herding the marketing team cats was worth double points ;)02:57
matthewrevellbimberi: :-D02:57
MenZajenda: XHTML done.02:57
MenZaNow for the tricky part.02:57
MenZaCSS:02:57
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=== jenda doesn't understand, so doesn't groan...
jenda:-D02:58
MenZalol02:58
MenZaHTML part is done. CSS isn't.02:58
=== jenda does, in fact. Marginally.
MenZaAsk elkbuntu. She knows what I'm talking about.02:58
MenZa;)02:58
jendaThat i did understand :-D02:58
jendaIn fact, I even know what they stand for.02:58
elkbuntuit can be, but that looks like it'll be ok, just a bit fiddly between browsers02:59
MenZanot necessarily.02:59
MenZaI just hate CSS because it's a hassle.02:59
MenZaAnd you have so much code to do.02:59
matthewrevellMenZa: CSS is superb!03:03
MenZaIt does great stuff.03:03
MenZaBut it's so faulty.03:03
MenZaBug number one of CSS: The W3 are unable to properly spell words like 'colour'.03:03
MenZa;)03:03
MenZaW3C03:03
matthewrevellMenZa: It's implementation varies too much between browsers, but that's largely because the W3C standards are a bit vague, AFAIK.03:04
MenZaYes, they are.03:04
elkbuntumatthewrevell, not really.. the standards are set, ie makes up their own, firefox deviates a slight bit, opera is the most strict03:05
MenZaKHTML too, elkbuntu.03:08
MenZaI think.03:08
MenZaKonqueror passes the Acid2 test, right?03:08
elkbuntuno idea03:08
MenZaI believe it does.03:08
elkbuntubut i believe so03:08
MenZaAnd Safari, too--I believe.03:08
MenZa(no TinyMCE support though ;D)03:08
jendaMenZa: do you need the $25 now?03:08
MenZajenda: nah, I can wait.03:09
jenda(or want)03:09
MenZaheh, no worries.03:09
MenZaJust pay me when you feel you can afford it ;)03:09
MenZabrb03:09
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jendaOK, that'd be now :)03:09
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MenZaDetached the tab by accident03:09
MenZabrb03:09
jendaOK, MenZa, what's your paypal account?03:09
MenZamenza@menza.org03:10
MenZaDon't send them if you don't feel you can afford it :)03:10
jendaOf course I can - I have nothing to do with the money on that paypal account :-D03:13
jendaI can't withdraw them, and there's nothing I plan to buy straight away.03:14
jendasent03:16
jendamatthewrevell: ping03:36
matthewrevelljenda: hello03:41
jendaoi ;)03:41
jendaIf you send me your address, I can send you the stickers, you know ;)03:42
matthewrevelljenda: Oh, sorry, I keep forgetting.03:42
matthewrevellhang on03:42
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elkbuntujenda, how much did the postage to .au cost?03:44
jenda11 CZK, prioritaire :)03:45
jendawhich is $0.503:45
jenda(USD)03:45
jenda(almost exactly)03:45
elkbuntuah good, the extra .5 was worth it then :)03:45
digitalmousemenza:  if you have not already seen this: http://www.webdevout.net/browser_info_prefs.php  it's a decent cross-reference to see how the different browsers stack up to the standards at the moment (might not be 'real-time', but it's recent)03:57
MenZaoh nice03:57
MenZathanks.03:57
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MenZajenda: almost done with the first code here03:57
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jendagreat ;)03:58
jendaelkbuntu: Well, in fact, I already counted that in, and I counted in a fair percentage of risk-fee (to cover the expenses of lost packages, unsold stickers, unpaid-for ones etc.).03:59
jendaSo the 50 is an appreciated tip :)04:00
elkbuntufair enough :)04:00
elkbuntuif you havent already done so, you should set a 'pay by' period at which point they will go back on the market04:01
elkbuntuie, 14 days, 21 days etc04:01
MagicFabhello04:04
MagicFabI am looking to compare Fedora and ubuntu in servers environment. Does anyone know of resources with white paper /case study structure ?04:05
jendaI guess i'have to do that, yeah.04:05
jendahmm04:05
jendaAfraid not, MagicFab..04:05
matthewrevellMagicFab: Hmmm, it'd be great if we did.04:05
matthewrevellMagicFab: I'll put it on the list of things to do.04:06
MagicFabI have a customer for 4 servers pushing for Fedora, unless I can prove my point :)04:06
elkbuntuhmm.. the security response time article would be a good start04:07
matthewrevellMagicFab: Canonical are gathering case studies at the moment, but I don't know if anything they have is comparative.04:08
matthewrevelljenda: I think we need to greatly simplify the "Marketing team purpose" section of the wiki page04:08
MagicFabelkbuntu, nice suggestion, I have it somewhere04:09
elkbuntuhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/48104:09
jendamatthewrevell: agreed... for ages :)04:09
matthewrevellMagicFab: I think Fedora and Ubuntu come equal on that case study.04:09
matthewrevellelkbuntu: Definitely a good suggestion tho04:09
matthewrevelljenda: I'd like to see something very simple there. We have too little structure to be too specific, at the moment.04:10
matthewrevelljenda: I'll post suggested text to the ML04:10
elkbuntudid jb unsubscribe?04:11
matthewrevellelkbuntu: yep04:11
elkbuntuok then.. because he'd probably take this as proving him right and he'd jump right back in04:11
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matthewrevellelkbuntu: What, changing some of the text on the team wiki page?04:12
elkbuntui dunno.. i sorta think he was wanting to do that or something, or that's the jist i got from his rambling04:13
matthewrevellI think there was a lot going on that he felt uncomfortable with04:14
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elkbuntuMeanwhile.. i really dont get why people do this: "The newest Ubuntu Cluster is: ubuntu (1  Ubuntu Dapper)"04:14
jendaProbably because they do not know what a cluster is.04:15
jendaIt shouldn't be too difficult to prevent that, no?04:16
elkbuntujenda, in the user cp it says cluster/network04:17
jendahm04:18
elkbuntuit doesnt matter really04:18
elkbuntustill gets counted up right... it's just there to let people with 101 machines add them as easily as if they had 104:18
jendaright04:19
jendacool04:19
elkbuntuhmm maybe they might consider them a cluster because of distributed clustering04:19
jendaHello sara04:20
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, 1 box is 1 box. :)04:21
Kamping_Kaiserif they are a node on seti, they dont /own/ a cluster04:21
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elkbuntui know.. the cluster thing is a convenience thing more than a statistical thing04:22
jendaKamping_Kaiser: BTW, i got Canonical's approval on the easyubuntu logo04:23
jendaI _think_ I sent it to the EU ML04:23
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, rock on :). thanks mate04:23
jendanp04:23
=== Kamping_Kaiser hasnt got email from that list for yonks, dont know if i'm on it
jendaI think it doesn't work, anyway :)04:24
Kamping_Kaiserok, RFC: should i (try and) do tafe work , or (try and) write a letter of resignation?04:26
Kamping_Kaiser:)04:26
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MenZajenda: I got distracted, sorry. I'm almost done with it now.05:06
MenZajenda: ping05:33
MenZajenda: ping05:42
MenZahttp://um.menza.org05:44
MenZaAny thoughts?05:44
=== MenZa prods elkbuntu
=== MenZa prods Klaidas
elkbuntulooking now05:44
=== MenZa prods ompaul
=== Kamping_Kaiser slaps MenZa before he gets poked
MenZaAnd elkbuntu, how'd that discussion with your host end up?05:45
=== MenZa wasn't going to poke Kamping_Kaiser
MenZaYou're not exclusive enough.05:45
MenZa:)05:45
elkbuntumain one sort of sorted, the other still being annoying05:45
MenZa;\05:45
MenZaHow's the design?05:46
Kamping_Kaiser:)05:46
=== ompaul pokes MenZa I'll look in a few minutes
MenZaRight :)05:46
elkbuntuthe gold around the edges doesnt match with the rest in ie6 in wine05:47
ompaulMenZa, CHANGE that bit now: Current number of machines running Ubuntu:   To Current number of counted boxes we think there are about 6 million but hey we won't know til they are counted :)05:47
MenZaheh05:47
elkbuntuompaul, lol05:48
=== MenZa kinda like sthe outcome
MenZalikes the*05:48
elkbuntutake the link colours up a touch in darkness, the colour on the white is a bit fuzzy with my eyes05:49
elkbuntueven worse in the counter box :|05:49
MenZaelkbuntu: refresh.05:54
elkbuntuyeah that's better05:55
MenZa:)05:55
elkbuntui wouldnt bother about the ie thing.. unless it does it in native as well05:56
MenZaIE?05:56
MenZaEr05:56
MenZa"IE thing"05:56
MenZa:p05:56
elkbuntu<elkbuntu> the gold around the edges doesnt match with the rest in ie6 in wine05:56
MenZaoh?06:00
MenZathat's because IE6 = horrible at rendering PNGs.06:01
MenZa:p06:01
MenZaBut I refuse to use any other file format (oh, such a rebel I am06:01
MenZa)06:01
elkbuntuhehe06:01
MenZaIE6 is teh lose :p06:04
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elkbuntuduh.. but we dont want to look tacky06:04
MenZaTrue, true.06:04
MenZaFor you, elkbuntu, I'll convert them to jpegs.06:05
MenZa;D06:05
elkbuntu;)06:05
MenZaI can't believe it; even IE7 displays PNGs wrong.06:05
MenZaAND doesn't support :before06:05
MenZaBastards.06:05
elkbuntu... effing ms06:05
MenZaYeah.06:06
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MenZahi jenda06:10
MenZaI'm almost done with it06:10
elkbuntuguys.. convo i had earlier with a mcse dutch friend who lives in switzerland: http://meldra.no-ip.info:8080/ok-no-suse.txt06:11
MenZaUploading, elkbuntu.06:14
MenZaYou didn't bother telling him about OpenSuSE?06:16
MenZa:D06:16
MenZaAnd OS X is leet06:16
MenZaIt > any Linux distro imo ;)06:16
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MenZahttp://um.menza.org06:16
MenZa(still uploading)06:16
elkbuntuMenZa, hell no06:17
MenZaand jenda, you too.06:17
=== MenZa shrugs
MenZaI'd use it any day.06:17
elkbuntui want him to try ubuntu, fool06:17
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Kamping_Kaiseros x=prorietary, and opensuse is still novel, just with freedom ;)06:18
elkbuntuMenZa, much better06:20
MenZa:D06:20
MitchMgreetings all06:42
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ompaulMenZa, please change: Current number of machines running Ubuntu: to Current number of registered machines counted at the community counter: or something like that  (check with elkbuntu for phrasing) ;-)06:58
elkbuntuor check the counter ;)06:59
ompaulRegister with the counter06:59
ompaulelkbuntu, then it is incumbent on you to provide a path back to where it came from if it came from "a recognised" ubuntu site :)06:59
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=== MitchM lost his ubuntu counter username & e-mail isnt working....
elkbuntuyou mean like the (register) he has on there? or whatever it is07:00
=== MitchM doesnt want to re-register for a larger number =)
elkbuntuhehe07:01
elkbuntuwhat email addy?07:01
MitchMi believe it was mitch@kci.net07:01
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ompaulMitchM, now there is service07:01
MitchMwhere?07:02
=== MitchM looks aroudn
MitchMaround*07:02
=== ompaul looks at MitchM I can't believe you just said that :)
MitchM:)07:02
MitchMDoes anyone want to make me a 1 page website for Devubuntu.com ?07:03
ompaulI read it again and am still stunned :)07:03
MitchMbasiclly just saying "contact me for free webhosting"07:03
MitchMok omplaul I was going to try and pretend I knew what you were talkinga bout07:03
MitchMbut im really lost :-P07:04
MitchMyou are talking about the "doesnt want to re-register" ?07:04
=== MitchM slaps himself and smells the coffee.
ompaulMitchM,  elkbuntu is the the boss of the counter type of coffee? :-)07:06
MitchMompaul: Well -- let me go crawl into my dark corner for a little bit... maybe I'll wake up in an hour.07:07
elkbuntuMitchM, no so soon07:07
ompaulMitchM, ohh no you don't ;-)07:08
MitchMlol07:08
ompaulget back 'ere07:08
=== MitchM runs for the closet.
elkbuntudid you ever get an email when you registered, pray tell, mitch?07:08
MitchMOh I believe I did...07:08
MitchMAmong... the "stuff"07:08
elkbuntudid you cahnge the email registered afterwards at all?07:09
MitchMnegative07:09
MitchMwhat is the subject line of the automated e-mail>07:09
MitchM?07:09
elkbuntuis .inet a regular domain extention now-days?07:09
MitchMI dont believe so.07:10
elkbuntuthe email for your accoutn is listed as: mitch@kci.inet07:10
MitchM*chuckles*07:10
MitchMgood ol' typo07:10
elkbuntui hope you remember the password07:10
MitchMI have an idea ?07:10
MitchMwhat is the username?07:10
MitchMsame as e-mail addy07:11
elkbuntui pm'd you07:11
MitchM?07:11
MitchMaffirm07:11
MitchM=) tahts me07:11
MitchMthats*07:11
elkbuntuhehhe07:11
MitchMmy gaming alias...07:12
elkbuntuhheh. try log in.. i can reset the password if you cant remember it07:12
MitchMk07:12
MitchMthats a negative =)07:13
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elkbuntuhehe sec while i encrypt a string for you07:14
=== MitchM bows down to elkbuntu
MitchMAnyone care to make a 1 page "ad" for free hosting for me?07:20
MitchMI know some in here possess far greater design skills...07:21
elkbuntuMitchM, if by tomrorow menza hasnt, then i will07:22
MitchM:-) awesome07:22
MenZaWha'?07:22
MitchMI joined the marketing team to help out; and all I get is help...07:22
MitchMkind of backwards =)07:22
elkbuntuwe started using linux because it was free stuff for us, now we're helping make it. ironies never cease to amaze ;)07:24
MitchMwell put07:24
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elkbuntuninite marketeers07:42
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