[12:10] moins / evening everyone === imbrandon yawns [12:14] ugh who is John Dong [12:14] he was the backport guy === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] morning Hobbsee [12:15] you're up insanely early today [12:15] morning all [12:15] hi ajmitch [12:15] imbrandon: what happened? [12:15] ajmitch: i'm at uni insanely early. i have no working car. [12:15] did i miss something or is there s specific reason he rejected my backport request filed against package source , and refiled the EXACT some request agains a "ubuntu-backports" project [12:15] Hobbsee: how unfortunate, what broke? [12:16] ajmitch: the automatic transmission [12:16] ouch [12:16] copy cat.. [12:16] so you had to catch an early bus in? [12:17] zul : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kbfx/+bug/56527 to see what i mean [12:17] Malone bug 56527 in dapper-backports "[backport] request for kbfx 0.4.9.1+20060611cvs-1 from edgy -> dapper-backports" [Medium,In progress] [12:17] ajmitch: you mean a bus, train, and another bus. [12:17] ajmitch: no, i got dad to give me a lift [12:17] imbrandon: I guess it's his way of tracking stuff [12:18] that must be a fun ride [12:18] afaik it should be filed against the package source, that make sense, so you get the other information, is this a documented change somewhere ? [12:18] Hobbsee: I guess it gives you more time to work on that assignment :) [12:18] ajmitch: true that... [12:18] which assingment :P === Hobbsee seems to have about ten of them. [12:18] okay...3....one with two parts, so that makes 4... [12:19] the physics one you were worrying about [12:19] oh. that was due yesterday, and i did that in my broken car while waiting for the towtruck. [12:19] imbrandon: no idea [12:19] ah [12:20] you got it done though? [12:20] hrm he put it "in progress to" wth is that? is it building now ? so theres soyuz support? i love chnges when no one says WTH they are doing [12:20] imbrandon: I'd say it means he's checking it out - nothing to do with soyuz [12:20] ajmitch: yeah === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-251-17.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinuxium [n=selinium@80-193-7-120.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-47-96.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] ajmitch: rember the convo last night about age of nicks on IRC, check this, i think he has everyone beat ( 136 years ) http://www.thedailywtf.com/images/200608/gaim-wtf.gif === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nexu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.147.63] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:59] Heya gang [02:59] hello [02:59] hey bddebian [02:59] Hi ajmitch, imbrandon [02:59] hi guys === StevenK waves to * [03:00] Heya Laser_away, StevenK === Laser_away goes to hunt down some food somewhere by campus [03:01] I hate how most of the on-campus food places shut down for the summer :( [03:01] wendys ;) [03:01] Taco Bell! [03:01] well yeah, if I could walk there [03:01] but the wife has got the car [03:01] subway === StevenK ponders food, and decides against it. [03:02] mmmm, now you guys are making me even more hungry === bddebian is eating ice cream [03:02] doh [03:02] im having a slurpee [03:02] lol yo quero taco bell ? [03:02] Laser_away: One word can take away your apitite. === ajmitch should consider having some breakfast as well [03:02] mmmm slurpee , /me loves 7-11 slurpees [03:02] Heh [03:02] Laser_away: "McDonalds" [03:02] StevenK: bad [03:03] Big Mac!! [03:03] heh i like mcdonalds ;) === ajmitch shudders [03:03] guess what I ate when I went to Paris? [03:03] A Royale with Cheese ? ;-P [03:03] hahahah [03:03] Laser_away: please don't [03:03] no, highvoltage ate the Royale [03:03] haha [03:03] I had the bigmac [03:03] he ate le big mac [03:03] hehe [03:04] Mayonaise on your fries? === imbrandon is reminded of pulp fiction [03:04] ugh [03:04] Damn, now look what I've done. [03:04] mcdonalds [03:04] and then latter I went to a nice Subway shop across the river from Notre Dame ;-) [03:04] imbrandon: Exactly why I said that ;-P [03:04] bddebian: hehe yea i caught it ;) [03:04] Laser_away was sick of eating fish and non-american food [03:04] i love that movie [03:04] i think the raw beef was clincher [03:04] well, after that hotel food McDonald's was a God-send [03:05] lol [03:05] imbrandon: That whole sequence is one of the funniest things I have ever seen [03:05] hotel at ubuntu paris? [03:05] I thought I was going to die of starvation [03:05] yea [03:05] or worse [03:05] australia was the same deal [03:05] a bunch of green stuff [03:05] ugh [03:05] and far too much fish [03:05] this was worse [03:05] i had to get all my calories in with the english breakfast [03:05] fish every single day at UDU [03:05] I would have taken salad any day [03:05] What, no vegemite? [03:05] bddebian: of course there was [03:05] Laser_away: this wasnt lettuce like we have in america [03:05] bddebian: I've got a jar of it here if you want some [03:06] they totally ignored vegans/vegetarians [03:06] with real big pieces of lettuce [03:06] it was all kinds of funny little things [03:06] heh [03:06] well, we had raw beef and pate (sp?) [03:06] ajmitch: Uhm, no thanks :-) [03:06] raw beef? [03:06] wtf [03:06] yeah [03:06] raw beef ? [03:06] I thought maybe there was a natural gas outage or something [03:06] bddebian: uncultured... [03:06] nothing was cooked [03:06] its france! [03:06] steak tartar [03:06] or something [03:06] ugh [03:07] a big plate of thin sliced raw beef [03:07] ajmitch: I don't deny that :-) === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp10-210.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] mmmmm....pate [03:07] green avocado which is spicy === ajmitch prefers his steak to be cooked === imbrandon thinks of all the deseases from raw meat [03:07] i eat sushi [03:07] sushi is good [03:07] ajmitch: oh man, what I would have given for a steak [03:07] or even a full sized sushi-grade tuna filet [03:07] cooked rare [03:07] sushi & raw beef are a bit different [03:07] raw beef [03:07] not so much [03:07] tseng: only with lots of umm hell whats that green hot stuff [03:07] heh [03:07] imbrandon: wasabi [03:07] imbrandon: wasabi [03:08] YEA [03:08] Laser_away: at least we got to eat in a real brasserie [03:08] i love that stuff [03:08] its ok [03:08] it kills germs [03:08] jsgotangco: yeah === ajmitch doubts he'll be at the next developer summit === bddebian only eats meat, potatoes, bread, and ice cream ;-) === tseng doubts he'll be at any future summit [03:08] fortunately my view of France wasn't totally ruined [03:08] and SLURPIEES [03:08] imbrandon: have you tasted green peas deep fried in wasabi [03:08] jsgotangco: cant say i have [03:08] ugh phone [03:08] brb [03:09] jsgotangco: the ones we get tend to be fairly bland [03:09] jsgotangco: are they good, I think I've seen them in the store here? [03:09] Laser_away: yeah just dont eat a lot of it [03:09] ah, ok [03:09] it goes through your nostrils [03:09] the feeling that is, not the pea [03:09] my uncle was in the Army for a while and was stationed in South Korea [03:10] he got a taste for that nasty cabbage stuff [03:10] can't think of the name [03:10] its callled kimchi [03:10] cole slaw? [03:10] its delicious! [03:10] yeah!! [03:10] when he came back it was all he would eat [03:10] but my grandpa wouldn't let him come over to his house cause he smelled so bad ;-) [03:10] Laser_away: there's actually a kimchi museum in seoul, you can look it up at the web [03:11] well kimchi is a way to increase the storage life of vegetables back then in the long winter [03:11] they made is spicier to heat up the body as well [03:11] ok, I'm off on a hunt. I think it'll either be Jimmy John's or Jim Boy's [03:12] jsgotangco: good to know if I'm ever deserted in the middle of Korea ;-) [03:12] asian food is generally way better compared to european imho [03:13] jsgotangco: yes [03:13] jsgotangco: god yes [03:13] im a steak and potatoes kind of guy [03:13] i almost nearly killed myself in Spain [03:13] I could not get a fucking steak to save my life [03:13] or a hamburger [03:13] everything had mussels [03:13] macdonalds? [03:13] you get blood sausages or something as well [03:13] i asked a guy how to get to mcdonalds [03:13] no fucking se [03:13] hah, only time I had mussels recently was having dinner at mpt's place [03:14] ajmitch: if i never see another mussel again.. [03:14] the only thing on menus we could recognize most places was paella [03:14] rice, mussels, shitty prawn [03:14] i am spoiled for life by australian prawn [03:14] heh every summer when we came back from kenya the first thing we do is head to a macdonalds === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] zul_: mcd is inedible [03:15] hello Hobbsee [03:15] tseng: its ok === bddebian covers his virgin ears from tseng's swearing [03:15] zul_: i like burgers made of beef [03:15] Heya Hobbsee [03:15] hey Hobbsee [03:15] bddebian: oh, you've seen nothing === Hobbsee waves to all [03:15] tseng: rather than playing pick-that-animal? [03:15] yay for simple programming exercises as quizzes. [03:15] tseng: ;-P [03:15] tseng: so do i, but when you need grease you need grease [03:15] ajmitch: is it an animal? [03:15] [20:10] its callled kimchi <-- that stuff rocks [03:15] not entirely sure [03:16] ajmitch: vegitable oil in meltodextrin? [03:16] ajmitch: who knows. [03:16] all of the above is my guess [03:16] but very little came from a cow [03:16] I should get pizza tonight or something [03:16] you should have seen it [03:16] Laser_away: i should send you a box of duck eggs soon :D [03:16] me, davyd, desrt trying to order a pizza in catalan === bddebian eats no seafood whatsoever [03:16] heh [03:16] what a joke [03:16] you didn't have jordi along to translate? [03:16] no [03:17] heh [03:17] people spoke enough spanish to talk to them [03:17] bddebian: landlubber! [03:17] which was the path i tried [03:17] jsgotangco: he's obviously not asian [03:17] next time, I am not going more than 2 feet from Miguel [03:17] jsgotangco: I don't eat anything that swims around it it's own shit all it's life ;-P [03:17] haha [03:17] lol [03:17] i guess you haven't tasted octopus or shark even [03:17] bddebian: pork? [03:18] jsgotangco: some of us have [03:18] man, spain did have great calamari [03:18] tseng: i was thinking the same thing [03:18] zebra meat is pretty good [03:18] kangaroo meat is pretty interesting [03:18] is it the same as horse? [03:18] lightly fried with some lemon [03:18] zebra is the same as horse meat isnt it [03:18] tseng: pork is good [03:18] of course it is [03:18] Hobbsee can tell you all about eating kangaroo.. [03:18] but they life in their own dirt [03:19] "pigs are filthy animals" [03:19] ajmitch: so can you [03:19] tseng: They don't breath it :-) [03:19] bddebian: no, they eat it [03:19] bddebian: nah they just eat it [03:19] No they don't [03:19] yea they do , right along with the slop [03:19] have you seen the movie Snatch? [03:20] like dags? [03:20] yeah [03:20] Uhm, my neighbors raised pigs [03:20] i'm sorry [03:20] they eat disgusting things [03:21] yeah the key to raising pigs is to make sure their den is always clean [03:21] and always have clean water too [03:21] So do chickens if given the chance [03:21] In fact there are no nastier creatures than chickens [03:21] I like dags. [03:21] ive seen chicks kill each other and peck entrails [03:22] yum [03:22] Oh yeah, if Chickens taste blood, they go nuts [03:23] at least it isnt just me that things international food blows [03:24] thinks [03:24] America wins again [03:24] lol [03:25] some international food is good, special after its been "american ized" hehe [03:25] americans.. [03:26] kimchi , mexian food ( all the same ingrediants just presented diffrent ) [03:26] kimchi got americanized? [03:26] lots of other stuff i cant think of right now [03:26] Some real mexican food is frightening [03:26] jsgotangco: how else could they eat it? [03:27] pig brain taco [03:27] jsgotangco: most here prepare it a bit diffrent than the koreans i have seen prepare it [03:27] I had some chicken thing in Mexico city that I swear they just threw the entire chicken in blender and stuck it on a tortilla [03:27] bddebian: hahaha probably [03:27] when i was in seoul, the local Golden Arches had Bulgogi burger with kimchi siding [03:28] ;) [03:28] I would definetly starve to death in an Asian country [03:28] korean kimchi is alot spicier from what ive seen [03:28] Too many vegetables and seafood [03:28] poor bddebian [03:28] that's why we probably live longer [03:28] ;) [03:29] heh [03:29] bddebian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut [03:29] jsgotangco: Aye :-) [03:29] native american food is good to ( well the way myt wife makes it ) , alot like mexian food [03:29] s/myt/my [03:30] i used to pretty fussy about food.. these days i eat just about anything put in front of me except any kind of curry [03:31] OK, I have like 4 or 5 packages now that are outdated in Debian too :'-( [03:31] curry is ok it just seeps in your pores if you have too much of it [03:32] makes me hurl :) [03:32] oh man guys, I'm trying to eat here ;-) [03:32] haha [03:32] lol === ajmitch was thinking about getting curry for lunch [03:33] ack [03:33] heh [03:34] "can i get some food in my additives please?" [03:34] I've got an italian sub and chips right now [03:34] mmm === ajmitch still hasn't eaten today [03:34] sounds good, with some oil and vinigar dressing to go on it [03:34] yep [03:35] bad ajmitch [03:35] had smoked salmon and havarti cheese pizza for lunch [03:35] my wife thought it would be fun [03:35] ajmitch: you're supposed to eat, you know! [03:35] Hobbsee: can't I just say it's your fault? [03:35] ajmitch: nope === bddebian whips up a Prime Rib milkshake ;-P [03:35] darn [03:35] heh your makin me hungery now, mmmm pasta sounds good tonight [03:35] ajmitch: No, because it's yours [03:35] StevenK: that's beside the point [03:35] bddebian: dude, that reminds me [03:36] oh great, 2:35am and i'm hankering for steak [03:36] the undergrad in my lab found a forum post of worst cooking ideas [03:36] lol [03:36] the worst I saw was a guy decided to make a burrito smoothie [03:36] uh oh [03:36] but it came out kinda thick [03:36] hahahahahahahahah [03:36] a bit lumpy? [03:36] LaserJock: D00d, that is nasty :) [03:36] so he looked around for something Mexican to thin it out [03:37] so he found some tequila [03:37] LOL [03:37] sour cream [03:37] that'd be one tasty drink [03:37] so it became a burrito and tequila smoothie [03:37] Oh man [03:37] I had beer on corn flakes in college once [03:38] Only things I had in the apartment [03:38] roflmao [03:38] sick man [03:38] It was pretty nasty [03:38] I'm surprised you still had beer left [03:38] I knew a guy in college who was previously in the Army [03:38] and developed a Mt. Dew in cereal habit [03:38] eww [03:39] ahhh now THAT sounds good ;) [03:39] ugghh [03:39] LaserJock: Ewwwwww [03:39] that was for you imbrandon ;-) === ajmitch revises what he should do for lunch [03:39] mt dew in fruity pebbles ;) [03:39] jsgotangco: mt dew & mentos? [03:39] Oh yeah, you definetly need more sugar with your Mt. Dew :-) [03:39] lol [03:39] ajmitch: they explode [03:39] jsgotangco: it'd be fun though [03:39] Even though Mt. Dew is the nectar of the Gods ;-P [03:40] http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/mt_dew.jpg [03:40] not like you haven't seen enough of them [03:40] imbrandon: very very wrong [03:40] heh...we get crippled mt dew [03:40] what a waste of fridge space [03:40] imbrandon: Nice :-) [03:40] decaf mt dew? [03:40] crippled mt dew ? [03:40] yeah... [03:40] G'day all [03:40] heya Yagisan [03:40] hello Yagisan [03:40] no way!!! [03:41] Decaf Mt. Dew? WTF?? [03:41] sorry, that was to zul_, not Yagisan [03:41] zul_: that just takes away the whole reason for the drink [03:41] ajmitch: yep...thats why i dont drink it [03:41] [20:40] what a waste of fridge space <-- yea i still have room at the bottom for more huh ? [03:41] That's like non-alcoholic beer, or decaf coffee [03:41] As a matter of fact, Australian Mountain Dew doesn't have caffeine. [03:41] imbrandon: put lots of cup noodles heh [03:41] I could sorta see diet mt dew cause you drink so much [03:41] StevenK: WOW [03:41] So they doubled the amount of sugar. [03:41] StevenK: that's worrying [03:42] I'm sure that it has caffeine in NZ [03:42] can anyone think of an opensource alternative to FMOD. I'm running a argument to get it dropped from some code that I'd like to see in Ubuntu [03:42] there was a local craze here a decade ago mixing raw egg with rootbeer [03:42] ajmitch: Does it have a slightly bitter aftertaste? [03:42] jsgotangco: oh yeah, mt dew + ramen!!!! [03:42] StevenK: I don't know, I don't drink it [03:42] So you don't stay up but your teeth rot faster? [03:42] Heh [03:42] aussie mt dew is nice :) [03:42] Yagisan: I prefered the Mountain Dew I drank in Finland. [03:43] + cafeine is good [03:43] StevenK, I eat suger from the pack - sweet is nice === StevenK blinks. [03:43] I prefer Mt. Dew + vodka or so :-) [03:43] unprocessed 7-11 slurpee [03:43] heh [03:43] pure sugar [03:43] well, I'm down to pretty much just diet soda because of my teeth :( [03:43] Yagisan: umm, you mean something like gstreamer? [03:43] bddebian: mt dew and everclear is GOOOOOOOD [03:44] everclear and pineapple juice is better ;) [03:44] welshbyte, something that supports all those useless formats no one uses, and is on *NIx, OSX and Win32 === Yagisan checks gstreamer [03:45] if no one uses them, what's the point? :) [03:45] what is everclear? [03:45] jsgotangco: 190 proof grain liquor [03:45] imbrandon: sounds dangerous [03:45] ahh ethanol [03:45] welshbyte, I tried that argument - it's not getting far - that's why I popped in to see my mates here [03:45] jsgotangco: dude, I don't even drink and I know what everclear is ;-) [03:46] 190 proof? isnt that like fuel quality? [03:46] jsgotangco: ethanol with a touch of flavouring & other additives [03:46] I've got some 200 proof in the lab ;-) [03:46] jsgotangco: pretty much, we drove a motocycle on it one time for a few miles, but the spark plugs needed replaced after that [03:46] LaserJock: that's just not as tasty [03:46] Yagisan: fair enough, well i'm no expert so maybe someone with more experience can help after they've finished discussing beverages ;) [03:46] ajmitch: I doubt it, and you can only get it in small quantities [03:47] youll die drinking it straight right? [03:47] LaserJock: 200 proof == 100% hehe [03:47] imbrandon: exactly [03:47] we have to do special purchasing to get it [03:47] Oh Everclean, nice [03:47] jsgotangco: everclear ? nah you can drink it streight but it taste nasty by its self [03:47] because normal research ethanol they but nasty tasting additives so grad students won't drink it ;-) [03:47] Yeah, it burns like hell [03:47] ahh so you make cocktails with it [03:48] jsgotangco: yea normaly 1oz to a drink 8oz drink ;) [03:48] after 3 or 4 you forget your name or why you were drinking ;) [03:49] LaserJock: shocking, as if grad students would ever drink it ;) [03:49] hmm they are good for mountain treks then [03:49] you use some to cook, then use a part to mix with cocktails [03:49] ajmitch: no, they do mt. dew and ramen instead [03:49] :-) [03:50] n the United States, Everclear is a brand of grain alcohol (ethanol), available at concentrations of 95% alcohol (190 proof) and 75.5% (151 proof) [1] . By contrast, hard liquors such as rum and vodka generally contain 40% alcohol (80 proof). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol) [03:51] i dident know they made the 151 proof kind , hehe === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] its this like moonshine? [03:51] jsgotangco: Pretty much yes [03:51] stronger normaly but same taste [03:51] well, more than moonshine [03:51] everclear is like research grade ethanol [03:52] moonshine is normaly about 75-80% [03:52] we use 95% for most research [03:52] hehe [03:53] its still good with mt dew ;) one shot per glass ;) [03:53] bah [03:54] I think that destroys the purity of the mt. dew :-) [03:55] heheh [03:55] I don't mix my mt dew with anything ;-) [03:55] mt dew should be the offical ubuntu drink ;) [03:55] heh [03:55] UbuntDew [03:55] LaserJock: What sort of research uses 95% alchol? [03:56] lol [03:56] nooo! coke! [03:56] "I wonder how long it will take us to get pissed today" ? [03:56] I'm a chemist [03:56] Hobbsee: more dev's and ppl in general drink mt dew ( everywhere but mexico ) heheh [03:56] My question still stands. ;-P [03:56] StevenK: Research into getting drunk ;-P === StevenK high fives bddebian. === Hobbsee will avoid getting drunk, thanks :P [03:56] ethanol is a really good solvent [03:56] can you imagine a drunk hobbsee? [03:57] that's why it's not good for your body [03:57] LaserJock: at UNR i wouldent be suprised ;) [03:57] Hobbsee: Not with any weapons nearby ;-) [03:57] you kinda end up dissolving your body in a way [03:57] or pointy sticks [03:57] heh [03:57] My father told me once that I was silly enough sober, and he never wanted to see me drunk. [03:58] LaserJock: dosent it work becouse its a poison ( all liquors ) [03:58] anyway, we use ethanol in my lab as a general purpose solvent and for cleaning optics [03:58] kinda yeah [03:58] we use a lot of methanol to (wood alchol) [03:58] it'll make you go blind [03:58] heh [03:58] so don't drink that [03:58] im not going to doubt a chemist [03:59] ;) [03:59] I see. after someone pukes after drinking it, you disolve the evidience with what's left over ;) [03:59] attacks your optical nerves or something [03:59] Yagisan: Bwahaha [03:59] eewww [04:00] heh [04:00] I just never did understand the point of drinking alchol when such nice things a mt dew and pepsi existed [04:00] s/pepsi/more\ mt\ dew/g [04:00] whatever [04:00] hehe [04:00] LaserJock: But Pepsi is *vile*. [04:00] we have a local concoction here called royal rumble, its fanta orange with rhum nasty stuff [04:00] ugh [04:00] pepsi is one of God's greatest gifts to humanity === StevenK kills LaserJock. [04:01] sorry StevenK, it's a know fact [04:01] smart people drink pepsi [04:01] ;-) === TheMuso prefers ginger beer if it has to be any softdrink. [04:01] Not in this house, it isn't. [04:01] jsgotangco: we drink that here too, and another called "float your boat" something with root beer and captian morgan ( spice rum ) , its GOOOD too === Hobbsee waves to TheMuso [04:01] Hey Hobbsee. [04:01] StevenK: i believe that killing is against the CoC :P [04:01] How is your day? [04:01] Shit, I had prismstumbler building now it doesn't :-( [04:02] they thing for me is that all the alchoholic drinks try to be something else [04:02] Hobbsee: Hrm. [04:02] my friend was like "Kahlua + milk is like chocolate milk" [04:02] and I'm like, " [04:02] "why not just drink chocolate milk?" [04:02] no drunkie after a few ;) [04:03] speaking of Gnger Beer, the Bundaberg stuff is good (real giner) buy the imitation stuff tastes like crap [04:03] hmm, not time for that, I"ve got Quantum Mechanics to study ;-) [04:03] Yagisan: Saxby's is nice too. [04:03] Quantum mechanics hurts my head. === Yagisan will learn to type one day. Today is not that day however [04:04] StevenK: yes, it hurt mine the first few times as well [04:04] you just have to stick with it ;-) [04:04] pepsi is vile though. diet pepsi, doubly so. [04:04] yea so is coke though too [04:04] Diet anything is the work of Satan [04:04] mt dew > * [04:05] Go the soda water with cordial, or ginger beer I say! [04:05] ugghh i hate ginger beer [04:05] man you all are gonna make me put a poll up for ubuntu devs/users on my blog about soda hehehe [04:05] IT doesn't bloat you nearly as much as soft drink like coke/pepsi === StevenK hasn't tried soda water with cordial. [04:05] jsgotangco, you probally never had a real one then [04:05] pepsi > mt dew > dr pepper > everything else on the planet === StevenK usually drinks water, actually. [04:06] Soda water with lime/lemon cordial/lemon barley water is beautiful, especially in summer. [04:06] Yagisan: i had the one by blue tongue, it doesn't really jive welll with me but that's the only one i got [04:06] StevenK: So do I. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] yikes, now there's 2 [04:06] Heh [04:06] lol [04:06] two? [04:06] hah [04:06] two you [04:06] jsgotangco, if I see you in Aus, remind me, and I'll get you a real one [04:06] what'd i miss? [04:06] now we are really in for a beating [04:06] We're partiarly surrounded! [04:07] i'll be in LCA [04:07] mhm === Hobbsee_ gets out her long pointy stick === Yagisan usually drinks tea (english) or japanese tea [04:07] I just haven't warmed up to tea :-) [04:07] indian ( native american ) tea is great, best tea i've ever had [04:07] the ones we have here now are gree tea ice filtered [04:08] Right. Lets try again to get a cat out of our yard that got stuck there two days ago. :) [04:08] bbs [04:08] hhe [04:08] heh [04:08] yay, a prac on how to write html. [04:08] Hah [04:08] I got one of them two weeks ago. [04:08] junk [04:09] I did an exam over the internet a few days ago o_O === LaserJock wonders what a computer science exame would look like [04:09] seems odd to me [04:09]

Bigger Junk

=== Hobbsee is hiding against one of the walls of one of the prac labs. [04:09] I'd probably flunk [04:09] next to....a powerpoint :D [04:09] come on.... [04:09] !ping [04:09] essay type lol [04:09] pong [04:10] I thought I had died and gone to heaven [04:10] LaserJock: if it's anything like the last quiz...very easy [04:10] Yagisan: There is no latency in heaven. [04:10] heh [04:11] StevenK: i dunno the voyager1 is pretty close to what some would call heaven and an icmp ping takes 28+ hours to reply ;) [04:11] StevenK, it was wonderful. It like one big open-book exam [04:11] Heh [04:13] StevenK, I'm looking forward to the next 2 exams too :) (I shall try and do it faster next time) [04:20] has anybody done a presentation via Impress on an Ubuntu laptop? [04:21] I've always used Powerpoint and Windows and I'd like to not have any suprises [04:21] sure [04:22] just make sure your video can actually be used with a projector [04:22] some laptops can't do it [04:22] hmm, if it works with Windows should it? [04:22] unless you reboot with the projector attached [04:22] well its a video card issue [04:22] I've done it before with Windows [04:23] but I'd like to do it in Ubuntu [04:23] who hasn't heh [04:23] since this will be at an Ubuntu conference [04:23] its best to try it with a projector before the event [04:23] yeah [04:23] I should be able to get there early [04:24] because mine doesn't just work if i plug in the projector [04:24] unless i reboot [04:25] hmm [04:25] jsgotangco: What laptop? [04:25] Tecra M2 with Nvidia [04:26] Free or restricted drivers? [04:26] both doesn't work [04:26] Interesting. [04:26] yep mjg59 said its upstream [04:26] i met on of the xandros people before with the same laptop and it frustrates him as well [04:27] My Sony Vaio only spoke to a projector if I plugged it before booting. [04:27] hehe, I just crashed bug buddy ;-) [04:27] LaserJock: I wonder if it respawns itself to report that bug. [04:27] kinda [04:28] StevenK: you still get both displays? [04:28] it got a few things and then some force quits [04:28] jsgotangco: From what I recall, yes. [04:28] mine only displays on the projector and the lcd is blank [04:28] jsgotangco: The Vaio in question died, and I bought an X40. [04:28] it just works in X40 right? === StevenK nods. [04:29] I haven't checked in Ubuntu, but I made it work under Debian. [04:29] yeah its probably the most compatible unit you can find for linux generally [04:29] Most of IBM laptops just work. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] jsgotangco: how many slides do you do roughly for a 1 hr presentation? [04:36] 1 hour that;s a long time [04:36] depends on your discussion [04:36] the key is not to put everything on a slide [04:36] please tell me this is a joke https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125 [04:36] Malone bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] [04:36] we actually have a cow in apt [04:36] imbrandon: no, it's quite a serious bug [04:36] apt has super cow powers [04:36] but gentoo whips our arse [04:37] Fsck Gentoo [04:37] in the cow department [04:37] yeah, larry is awesome ;-) [04:38] its worth confirming as a wishlist =) === StevenK prefers what aptitude does. [04:39] brandon@voyager:~$ aptitude moo [04:39] There are no Easter Eggs in this program. [04:39] heh [04:39] wonder if smartpm has one [04:39] :D [04:39] jsgotangco: mind taking a look at http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/ubucon.odp and seeing if it looks retarded or not? [04:40] ok [04:40] imbrandon: Add a -v [04:40] im honored to help a FOSS superstar like LaserJock [04:40] lol [04:40] whatever [04:40] StevenK: hahaha [04:40] brandon@voyager:~$ aptitude -v moo [04:40] There really are no Easter Eggs in this program. [04:41] haha [04:41] imbrandon: keep adding more -v's [04:41] imbrandon: Keep adding -v === StevenK high fives Hobbsee. [04:41] bwahahaha [04:41] oh man, we are geeks [04:41] :-) [04:41] hahahahahaha [04:41] hahahahaa [04:41] too cool [04:41] steven@liquified:~% for i in "" -v -vv -vvv -vvvv -vvvvv -vvvvvv ; do aptitude $i moo ; done [04:41] wth is that? [04:41] .... [04:42] too often projectors are an issue - we had quite a few problems at LCA this year === Hobbsee highfives StevenK :) [04:42] brandon@voyager:~$ aptitude -vvvvvv moo [04:42] jsgotangco: Add another -v [04:42] What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. [04:42] an elephant eaten by a snake [04:42] heh [04:43] someone had too much time on their hands [04:43] nice :) === StevenK wonders if he can compress his for loop. [04:43] people are looking at me odd because i laughed at that [04:43] StevenK: dont remind me of the assignment i'm supposed to be writing [04:43] haha [04:43] LaserJock: i guess the best presentation on inviting people to participate in Ubuntu is share your experiences as well [04:44] LaserJock: the slides are ok, but adding a personal touch makes wonders [04:44] Hobbsee, I've an assignment due tommorow. I should start it today === StevenK remembers the first time he joined -motu [04:44] stuff that people don't normally read on the websites [04:44] hah [04:44] jsgotangco: yeah, I kinda planned on a doing a little more with the MOTU part and a little about why I was talking in the first place [04:44] yeah [04:44] StevenK: what happened then? [04:44] add pictures of yourself during paris [04:45] StevenK: scary place? [04:45] to make things interesting [04:45] Oh, I didn't think people were interested. :-) [04:45] hehe, yeah [04:45] Um, ajmitch and I talked for a while, and I started doing universe merges. === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] that we're not all about doing gdb but talkign about moonshine and ethanol as well [04:45] And easter eggs. [04:46] a lot of slides in guadec focused on people having fun [04:46] I think I first came here *after* i turned up unannounced at UDU === ajmitch can't remember talking to StevenK [04:46] but that's no surprise [04:46] irc is one long blur [04:46] LaserJock: like eating raw beef [04:46] "IRC is just one long line of text" [04:46] hehe, I think the first time I came to -motu bddebian and bmonty were hard at work getting Breezy out the door [04:47] nwo come on....it's thursday lunch time....where are the freaking tutes???????????????? [04:47] it's surely not *that* hard to put them up more than 4 days before they're due! [04:47] That's the challenge. [04:47] You need to find them and then do them. [04:47] my uni is bloody incompetent. [04:48] Hobbsee: that's the way of university life [04:48] It's a feature. [04:48] jsgotangco: you don't think the logos are weird? I kinda wanted to give it a community feel [04:48] just like launchpad is one big collection of features [04:48] well [04:48] hah [04:49] LaserJock: let's just say art isnt your biggest strength, but then again, clean slides are much easier on the eyes for the audience instead of thiking of adding palettes [04:49] ;D [04:49] doh [04:49] LaserJock: Pshaw, I'm never hard at work ;-P [04:49] :-) === ajmitch refrains from commenting [04:49] because when you pipe your laptop to a projector, the palette will look different [04:50] Yeah, yeah, I know ajmitch [04:50] well, I'm used to science presentations where you get a white background, black text, and equations [04:50] yeah [04:50] I saw a few presentations on the wiki but they seemed hard to read [04:50] also make sure your final slides have all formats [04:50] odp, ppt, pdf [04:51] just in case you are forced to use another guy's laptop [04:51] mmm, good point [04:51] I was going to do dop and ppt [04:51] odp [04:51] dont forget ppt [04:51] but pdf is good too [04:51] I"m not used to being able to make pdf's so easy ;-) [04:51] i know its strange to use it on a FOSS conference but things happen [04:52] yeah, I know that about conferences [04:52] when i was in seoul, i couldn't use my laptop we had to use one running windows that didnt have office [04:52] but had acrobat reader [04:52] good thing i made a pdf [04:53] yes, never rely on being able to use your own laptop [04:54] well, I'm used to having to print out transparencies [04:54] there's nothing like a good wet-erase talk by a nobel prize winner ;-) [04:55] well thats the extreme option [04:55] but generally having the 3 formats on had on a keyfob will work [04:56] LaserJock: when are you getting your nobel prize? [04:56] years from now [04:56] most Nobel prizes get awarded like 20 years after the work has been done [04:56] at least we can say that we knew you when you were slacking off with ubuntu :) [04:56] so I've got a little while to wait ;-) [04:56] hehe [04:57] well, nobel prizes are cool, but you sure don't get much money anymore [04:57] you get USD$1 million [04:57] but if more than one person gets the prize (which happens a lot) you have to split it [04:58] at least you get to be on the history books [04:58] the money probably isn't meant to be the main benefit now [04:58] yes, that's the real fun === TheMuso returns [04:58] and you get to go around giving presentations with wet-erase markers === bddebian turns his badge in to ajmitch [04:58] and everybody loves it [04:58] bddebian: ? [05:00] ajmitch: I'm getting my arse kicked by a stupid little package [05:00] right [05:00] Should configure be called before or after patch [05:00] so fix the package [05:00] depends what you're patching - generally after [05:00] Thx [05:00] up to you, really [05:02] TheMuso: yay :) [05:02] TheMuso: di dyou succeed? === Hobbsee pinches the easy merges. [05:03] You mean you don't have them all done YET? ;-P [05:03] Hobbsee: leave some for the rest of us poor people who struggle along with stuff [05:03] yeah [05:03] Yeah, I haven't done any yet.. :-) [05:05] hah [05:05] get going, bddebian [05:05] Nah, I'm useless [05:05] if I ever get to do MOTU work again I'll want some decent merges to do ;-) [05:05] bddebian: weren't you told that it's bad to lie? [05:06] ajmitch: What am I lying about? :-) [05:06] yay. something broke on LP [05:06] Hobbsee: hmmm, how about doing a MOTU School session? or are you busy with uni stuff? [05:06] wow, there's a surprise [05:06] !ping [05:06] pong [05:06] yes, teach us, Hobbsee [05:06] LaserJock: busy with uni stuff, and i wouldnt make a good teacher with that sort of stuff === Hobbsee couldnt teach ajmitch anything. [05:07] w00t, frickin' A [05:07] Hobbsee: well you don't have to teach ajmitch, just people like me [05:07] Hobbsee: you're funny [05:07] heh [05:07] but if your'e busy I'll let you go, this time [05:08] yay. LP really did break. [05:08] I need somebody to teach me CDBS [05:08] Don't we all? ;-P [05:08] LaserJock: i am rather, at the moment. what would it be on? [05:08] LaserJock: good luck finding someone to teach that [05:08] i don't even know what CDBS stands for :/ [05:08] hah [05:08] Common Debian Build System [05:08] I think [05:09] LaserJock: sure i cant teach yada? [05:09] now i do :) === Hobbsee ducks [05:09] LaserJock: hobbsee has patched cdbs in the past, get her to teach it === Hobbsee runs away very quickly [05:09] ajmitch: you merged it. [05:09] ajmitch: that was my point ;-) [05:09] ajmitch: you should do it. [05:09] Hobbsee: never === Hobbsee has crappy timezones. [05:09] do you see any uploads by me? [05:09] actually, we need crappy timezones [05:09] LaserJock: nope. i'll teach yada :P [05:09] LaserJock: that shall be an easy lesson [05:09] ajmitch: true, no [05:10] didnt look [05:10] do you see any packages of mine that actually use cdbs? [05:10] havent looked at them either === bddebian builds zope with CDBS ;-P === welshbyte makes a note to not use "will you teach me CDBS?" as a pickup line next time he's at a bar [05:10] you do that, bddebian [05:10] welshbyte: ;-) [05:11] welshbyte: depends on what sort of bar it is [05:11] hah [05:11] hehe [05:12] it might work at a Debian bar [05:12] unfortunately there aren't any bars in this city where that line would work :( [05:12] LaserJock: we have our LUG meetings in a bar [05:13] hmmm [05:13] mine starts at an ISP and ends in a bar [05:13] heh === Hobbsee tries again, to imagine herself drunk === ajmitch doesn't want to imagine that [05:13] mine starts at home and ends at home :-) [05:14] Hobbsee: you're bad enough sober :) [05:14] ajmitch: hah === Hobbsee gets out her whip [05:14] say that again.... [05:14] it would be funny though [05:14] indeed [05:14] that's ok, you're not in NZ [05:14] maybe i'll have to get drunk at StevenK's or something. === Hobbsee has a very very long whip :P [05:14] hah [05:14] I'd love to see a video of a drunk Hobbsee [05:14] poor StevenK [05:15] I bet she gets giggley [05:15] like i dont anyway :P [05:15] LaserJock: she's giggly enough as it is [05:16] ajmitch: now be fair. you have seen me non-giggly, too === Hobbsee might have just been drunk all the time that ajmitch was here. [05:16] true [05:16] though you were driving [05:16] and that scares me, the thought of you driving through sydney while drunk [05:16] just think...you were in the car with me a lot... === Hobbsee contemplates driving while drunk. [05:16] !ping [05:16] pong [05:17] stop abusing the poor bot === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] ajmitch: haha === Hobbsee has a dodgy uni connection today, it seems [05:17] you mean a connection via a dodgy uni? [05:19] hmm, is ubuntu-bugsquad LP team still used? [05:19] or is it just ubuntu-qa [05:19] i more meant that i'm at uni, and have a dodgy connection [05:19] bugsquad is still there, not sure what practical use it has [05:19] boo [05:20] LaserJock: i think it is for meetings, and for a place to subscribe bugs === Hobbsee steals a merge, and rebuilds a section of *gasp* nautilus. [05:21] oh i wish i would win the lottery [05:21] lol [05:21] hehe, make sure you don't get sucked into the dark side why you are doing it [05:22] imbrandon: hmmm, and you lived in Reno, right? ;-) [05:22] nooooo Hobbsee put the gtk program down ...... [05:22] LaserJock: yup [05:22] lol [05:22] haha [05:22] LaserJock: yeah, no danger of that [05:22] i'd only need to get 175MB of archives, too... [05:23] heh, well I installed kubuntu today [05:23] ;) welcome to the light LaserJock [05:23] and then edubuntu-desktop [05:23] bah i didn't realise inheriting an open source project would be so much work.. and i haven't even started coding yet [05:24] hahahahaha [05:24] heh i might put edubuntu on box here to ltsp into it from my lappy just too see how it works === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] welcome to our world, welshbyte ... mwhuauauaua [05:24] hehe [05:24] imbrandon: ogra brought a thin client to Paris with him, it was pretty cool [05:24] Hobbsee: Unfortunately not. [05:25] we set it up with highvoltage's laptop as the server [05:25] just setting up the web pages and trac/svn how i want them *sweat* [05:25] you i just realized that the DD that agreed to review apt-mirror on mentors.d.n idles in here ;) hehe ( even though i've never seen him speak ) [05:25] Anyone here use prismstumbler? [05:25] s/you/you\ know/ [05:26] hmmm [05:26] LaserJock: nice === LaserJock pokes around -motu looking for DDs === bddebian points at ajmitch [05:27] he i dont know if he wants to be pingd or not , but its not hard to figure out i would imagine ( and no not ajmitch becouse like i said i've never seen this person talk in here ) [05:27] just idle === ajmitch idles === Hobbsee points at StevenK, but he's afk === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] ajmitch: is a good target, looking for DD> [05:28] Hobbsee: who, StevenK ? [05:28] StevenK is a DD? [05:28] yeah [05:29] i think so === Hobbsee considers installing gnome. [05:29] bddebian: what do you think? [05:29] Hobbsee: traitor [05:29] guess there's not much point on this uni connection. [05:29] ajmitch: My opinion means nothing === imbrandon notes its the only person with a DD cloak that he see's , definately the first on the list [05:29] imbrandon: there are a number of DDs to lurk here [05:30] azeem is a DD but don't know if he's around or not [05:30] ajmitch: *are* we still here? [05:30] do we want to still be here? [05:30] Where is here? [05:30] imbrandon: I count at least 8 DDs currently in the channel [05:30] there are probably more [05:31] with DD cloaks ? [05:31] TheMuso: a guy is asking in #ubuntu+1 if either of us are here [05:31] Hobbsee: no [05:32] I see it. [05:33] odd [05:33] LaserJock: yes? [05:33] somebody wants to know if Hobbsee or ajmitch is there? [05:34] Hobbsee , ajmitch : you all arround ? hehehe [05:36] ugh , i'm getting tired of kmail , anyone got a sugestion for a GRAPHICAL email client they prefer ? i need to try something new [05:36] maybe evolution [05:36] What about mutt? [05:36] hah. i'm definetly not there then [05:36] imbrandon: thunderbird's not too bad [05:37] Hobbsee: thunderbird likes to eat my imap mail for some reason [05:37] 'kmail just isnt stable [05:37] Use something like offlineimap then. [05:37] imbrandon: ahh... [05:37] imbrandon: yeah, exactly [05:37] mutt/pine is console and i'd prefer not to use a console email app === Hobbsee has never found that thunderbird has eaten her imap mail === Hobbsee hugs imap [05:38] imbrandon: really, evo always eats my imap [05:38] thunderbird usually handles it fine [05:39] TheMuso: well i have a semi complicated setup as is, all my mail forwards to a gmail account then i grab it on the file server via fetchmail and use procmail to filter it into folders and connect to my local fileserver via courior imap [05:39] eeeeeeeeeeeeeew [05:40] best way i've found for me to get my mail anywhere from all my accounts without using a webmail interface ;) [05:40] i use thunderbird with a *lot* of config tweaks to get it close to how i want it [05:41] I just use whatever's handy [05:41] welshbyte: then i would have to tweak the config on every system i use here at home , i like to do all the configs ( main ones ) server side so i can use virtualy any client [05:41] but alas i havent found a client i like heh [05:41] although mail.app is nice but osx only heh [05:41] I still use thunderbird on OS X [05:42] mail.app is nice but it chokes on my imap at school [05:42] i use ff but not tb [05:42] yea mail.app chokes on large accounts === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] it seems [05:42] I even tried MS Entourage or however it is spelled [05:42] oh i usually just scp the prefs.js to any new setups i have [05:43] welshbyte: thats a pita heh i used to do that, i even had a .thunderbird maped via nfs too and tried that way, simplest to do the tweaks via procmail [05:43] gah. [05:44] plus one good thing about that is i can ssh into my home box when i'm on the road and use mutt is i HAVE to [05:44] s/is/if [05:45] is this still the email discussion? [05:45] imbrandon: yeah i use procmail serverside for the email filtering stuff too, but i tweak the thunderbird prefs to get it to use plain text everywhere, insert the right "on foo, bar said:" line and lots of other stuff [05:45] Hobbsee: nope talking about quantom physics [05:46] ah right === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp10-210.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] imbrandon: oh goodie [05:46] hah [05:46] I was hoping for that [05:46] you should have known better to mention such thigns with LaserJock around. [05:46] if evolution was avail in osx it would be nice, i wonder if its in fink [05:46] did you know that everything about an atom is described by an imaginary equation? [05:47] LaserJock: yup pretty much [05:47] LaserJock: have you ever read God Debris ? [05:47] everything there is to know about a molecule is described by a non-real wave [05:47] its fiction but very well thought out story touching such things [05:47] hmm, no [05:47] I'll have to look it up [05:48] its a free book ( pdf ) from the author of dilbert, you can read it all in one evening [05:48] but dosent have anything remotely to do with dilbert [05:48] heh [05:48] and oddly many problems in Quatum Mechanics take pages and pages to write out and end up with = pi/2 [05:48] lol === imbrandon loves the fraction of a percent about what he knows about quantum stuff [05:49] and much of the math is totally "hand waving" as we call it [05:49] but in the end it works out and the universe is preserved, phew [05:49] yea there are 99.9999999% unknowns used in quantom stuff [05:49] lol === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp10-210.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] you ever read the book "timeline" ? not the movie [05:50] it has some very cool "based on real" fiction too [05:50] about quantom stuff [05:51] *hand wave* light does travel as discrete packets of energy... these aren't the droids you're looking for [05:51] and matter really is a wave, it just doesn't look like it ;-) [05:51] its by michael creighton ( sp ? ) [05:51] crichton, i believe [05:51] yea [05:52] hmm [05:52] another weird thing in quantum physics, to me anyway, is time reversal symmetry [05:52] y? [05:53] err like ? [05:53] screen -R [05:53] oops [05:53] well, in the math used for quantum mechanics you have to look carefully at the symmetry of the equations [05:53] like if you replace x with -x do you get the same thing? [05:54] well, time is a funny thing [05:54] it isn't symmetric [05:54] Anyone have a suggestion for what .desktop categories prismstumbler would belong to? [05:54] Network;Utility ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] yea time is messy [05:56] hard to explain it with math ( leaste in terms i can semi comprehend ) [05:56] bddebian: i would say so [05:56] bddebian: look what cate kismet is in , i would stick it in the same category [05:56] Hobbsee: some people like to complain about lack of docs, don't they? [05:56] thx imbrandon [05:58] imbrandon: It doesn't have any :-) [05:58] LaserJock: http://www.andrewsmcmeel.com/godsdebris/ <-- theres the link , very light ~150 pages or so, like i said its short but will make you think more about some of einsteins theorys and quantom stuff, well really look at it diffrent [05:59] bddebian: ouch hrm well yea network:utils would be a good place [05:59] ajmitch: that they do [06:00] dont worry the name is misleading its not about God or religon though ;) [06:02] imbrandon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_reversal for some light reading ;-) [06:02] cool , kk [06:05] imbrandon: actually maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time is an easier read === Hobbsee tests to see if the suspend breaks again === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] crazy [06:13] imbrandon: correct [06:13] (die hobbsee, die!) [06:13] Hobbsee: you didn't know infinity was in .au? [06:14] Hobbsee: You should have. :p [06:14] What permissions should dpatch files have? [06:15] i vaguely knew [06:15] TheMuso: heh, never met him [06:15] Well dx has 0755 but I just made two for prismstumbler and pbuilder is complaining about them having 0755 [06:22] Its nice to see that launchpad plays a doesn't chuck some weird error message with elinks any more. [06:22] Used to get very annoying. [06:22] Oh crap, that's not my problem, I get this: [06:22] ./configure --prefix=/usr [06:22] make: execvp: ./configure: Permission denied [06:22] make: *** [configure] Error 127 [06:23] heh [06:23] heh? [06:24] I didn't get that until I added my dpatches :-( [06:25] ok, the wife is waiting with the car, good night MOTU land [06:25] night [06:25] Gnight Laser_away [06:25] ajmitch: Any suggestions? ^^ [06:32] Anyone? [06:34] bddebian: are you sure that configure is runing the right shell [06:34] bddebian: or is +x [06:35] It was fine until I added two patches [06:42] bddebian: you're not supposed to break things... [06:44] It doesn't make any sense === tritium [n=michael@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] hey bddebian [06:48] Heya tritium [06:49] bddebian: anything new on the mythtv front? [06:49] tritium: I have requested a sync of 0.19 from Debian Multimedia [06:49] bddebian: ooh, fantastic [06:54] bddebian: debian-multimedia is the new marillat repo name? [06:55] Aye [06:55] Cool [06:59] bddebian: hopefully that will happen, then. Even backporting that to dapper would be a good thing [06:59] eep it's getting light [06:59] bed time [07:00] Aye [07:21] Gah, I give up. Gnight folks === elmargol [n=elmargol@host142-158.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] gnight folks its time for bed === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sepheebear [n=SepheeBe@ool-4577863a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [i=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@201.230.107.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@202.230-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@121.Red-83-56-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:39] nice [08:39] someone broke soyuz well, it's spammed edgy-changes nicely [08:42] Nice! [08:43] doko's upload for glib-java seems to be the first. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] ajmitch, StevenK: urgh indeed -- we now get source AND binary upload mails [09:18] Do we have to? === StevenK much prefered getting a source upload mail, and then checking build logs on LP. === StevenK buggers to have dinner with his wife. === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] hrm whats up with edgy-changes showing all the diffrent arches for uploads now === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:24] 'morning everybody === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nathandh [n=na@dD5779A06.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@210.0.212.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] imbrandon: Yes, I wish it would stop. === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-097-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@85.25.110.166] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon [n=andreas@p54A5ECDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] I wonder if revu.tauware.de is operational. I uploaded two packages yesterday but they didn't appear in the list. When I try to recover my password I get a python backtrace (global name 'REVUBASE' is not defined). I suppose something went wrong. === shenki [n=Joel@pulteney-pix.border.net.adelaide.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] asimon: before uploading, were you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors team on launchpad, and after joining, did you ask for the keyring to be resynced on revu? [12:11] ajmitch: Yes I am in the contributers group. I added a gpg key to my launchpad accound. What do I need to do to get the keyring on revu synced? [12:11] you need to ask a revu admin to do it, before you upload === ajmitch is doing it now [12:12] ajmitch: Okay, thank you very much. [12:14] asimon: what were the packages you uploaded? [12:14] It looks like the part of asking for the keyring to be synced is missing on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU ;-) [12:15] ajmitch: gtk2-engines-qtcurve_0.41.1-0ubuntu1 and kde-style-qtcurve_0.41.1-0ubuntu1 [12:16] ok, packages should be listed now [12:16] ajmitch: Great, thank you. === Hotwheelz [n=hotwheel@220-253-59-198.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hotwheelz [n=hotwheel@220-253-59-198.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] asimon: where did you get the error about 'REVUBASE'? [12:28] siretart: When I click 'recover' to recover the password, i.e. http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=andreas.w.simon@gmail.com === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] siretart: See also here for the backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20862 [12:35] asimon: ok. lostpw.py is seriously fucked up. need to investigate that [12:37] siretart: Yes, such things happen ;-) [12:37] asimon: thanks for reporting anyway [12:38] siretart: you're welcome === OLhome [n=OLhome@mac22.musik.gu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] preview-latex should be deleted from edgy, auctex replaces it now (and conflicts with it) [01:16] does motu-powers suffice to do that?-) [01:22] ok, filed a bug about it === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] hi [01:30] is here someone familiar with gcj? [01:31] I tried to rebuild pdftk against libgcj7-0 and it failed at the linking stage [01:31] a log is attached to bug 56580 [01:31] Malone bug 56580 in pdftk "[Edgy] Please rebuild against libgcj7-0" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56580 === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@139.168.251.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host142-158.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaleo [i=boucault@arkana.iiens.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === xopher_ [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host142-158.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight_ [n=twilight@d83-176-68-156.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Hey Hobbsee. [03:07] hi TheMuso [03:14] hello TheMuso, Hobbsee [03:15] Hey ajmitch. [03:15] hi ajmitch [03:15] ajmitch: debsign -r looks cool :) [03:15] Night folks. [03:15] night TheMuso === TheMuso retires a little early. === twilight_ [n=twilight@d81-211-227-54.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=shenki@ppp173-211.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce_ is now known as Marce === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@184.215-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.131.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === OLhome [n=OLhome@mac22.musik.gu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon is away: I'm busy [04:23] asimon: please turn off the away messages [04:24] but how do we know if he is truely away :) [04:24] zul: hah [04:25] Hobbsee: Aren't you supposed to tell him that in a kick reason? :-P [04:25] StevenK: i did think of that. in both channels. [04:26] make that in all three === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] Heya gang [04:37] heya bddebian :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] Hi Gloubiboulga === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50803B56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@gimel.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] siretart, hello, are you around? [05:30] Gloubiboulga: yes, but busy [05:31] siretart, ok, I have a Permission issue on tiber, but it's not urgent [05:31] siretart!! [05:31] Gloubiboulga: please /query me the issue [05:31] huhu bddebian [05:32] siretart: Hey, can I hack up the MOTUGames page a little? For example the GL/GLU translations link should be dropped. [05:32] bddebian: just go on! i didn't have time lately to do anything on MOTUGames (besides fixing scorched3d) [05:32] I've been trying but failing as usual :-( [05:34] scorched3d should be in quite reasonable state now. It still segfaults on amd64 on exit and with bird sound enabled [05:35] OK, this error is still killing me.. :-( [05:35] ./configure --prefix=/usr [05:35] make: execvp: ./configure: Permission denied [05:35] make: *** [configure] Error 127 [05:35] bddebian: chmod +x configure [05:35] It is 0755 already [05:35] hmm I should start coding again [05:35] ro filesystem perhaps? [05:36] In pbuilder [05:36] ? [05:48] i just thought of something when you enter a username in the installer what if you choose root what would happen? === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm2-0-75146.0x535a2f1e.vgnxx2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty_ [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-46-145.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host142-158.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp166-200.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nathandh [n=na@dD5779A06.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@211-55-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === josesanch [n=jose@227.Red-213-96-192.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] hello [08:26] i have uploaded a new version of gnomecatalog http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1560 a couple of times. [08:27] But the new versions is not in motu [08:28] josesanch: Have you fixed the issues raphink commented on? [08:28] yes.. [08:29] the problem is that i did a dput. Everything seens ok. But the new version is not there [08:35] bbdebian: do you know why? [08:35] josesanch: Oh, sorry. No, you need to ping a REVU admin. [08:36] by e-mail? [08:37] ok.. i'm going to search in wiki [08:37] josesanch: No, usually there are some around [08:38] ahh.. ok.. I'll wait [08:38] bddebian: thanks a lot [08:39] siretart: Still around? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ooh,] === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-23.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-239-3.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@CBL217-132-94-230.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@85.25.110.166] has joined #ubuntu-motu === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc3-cwma2-0-0-cust276.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] good evening === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.213] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] Heya welshbyte === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-239-3.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:54] Lathiat: ping === AnAnt_ [n=anant@62.139.225.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] I was wondering why didn't u guys try mutt-ng since it is on debian === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] siretart: ping [10:00] AnAnt_: looks like mutt-ng is in debian experimental... ubuntu gets its debian packages from debian unstable [10:00] welshbyte: ic [10:00] thanks === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@200.121.86.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] There is a user having trouble with a particular program (tuxpaint) on a particular printer (Brother HL 2700CN). I have a few ideas as to how this might be fixed, but as I don't have that printer, I'd need the bug reporter to check them out. What is the approved way to do this? Should I give them a debdiff, and tell them how to build a .deb from it, or is it permissible to give them a .deb in their architecture, and ask them to install it (possibl [10:11] y trusting me not to do something nasty while my .deb's install gets root...)? [10:12] bddebian: you there ? [10:12] Yessir [10:13] bddebian: I just checked your comment on kchmviewer [10:14] bddebian: I don't understand what should I do regarding that ? [10:14] AnAnt_: the version? [10:15] bddebian: yes [10:15] bddebian: it is version 2.6 [10:16] bddebian: and that raises another question too [10:17] bddebian: I added a package (that doesn't exist on debian) called acon, which is to enable reading/writing arabic in virtual console. So does its NON-existance in debian make a problem ? [10:18] AnAnt_: I think I commented on that too :-) [10:19] oh you want me to just change the version names, I didn't realize that [10:19] ok, that's it ? [10:20] AnAnt_: No it's not a problem. But if the version is newer in Ubuntu or it doesn't existing in Debian, the release number should be -0ubuntu1 [10:20] other than that, the acon & kchmviewer are fine ? [10:20] That way if it does get to debian and they make foo 1.0.1-1 we can sync it :-) [10:21] other than that, the acon & kchmviewer are fine ? [10:29] kchmviewer yes. Acon, you don't need the entire GPL text in debian/copyright. Other than that and the version, it looks OK to me. [10:29] well, so what do I put in debian/copyright ? [10:29] micahcowan: did you get your question answered? [10:30] Not yet... :( [10:30] micahcowan: sure, send them a .deb === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] heya folks [10:33] ok, I found an example [10:34] hm i might need a reminder here [10:35] i have a package that isn't in debian and i'm packaging it. it's currently version 0.4.2 ... does it go to 0.4.2-0ubuntu1 ? [10:35] (yes) [10:35] AnAnt_: Oh.. If you want more info, you can also read this page in the licensing section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Reviewing [10:35] welshbyte: Yes [10:35] woo i got it right :) [10:37] bddebian: ok, I just uploaded them now [10:37] AnAnt_: I'm at work now but I'll try to check tonight. Of course we still need a second reviewer too :-) [10:37] is there something wrong with the password recovery on REVU ? [10:38] That I don't know [10:38] sorry [10:39] AnAnt_: at times [10:39] it's always worked for me [10:39] but other people have reported it just coming up empty [10:39] yup, that's what happened === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.232] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [10:48] is there a way to build several .dsc files in the same pbuilder command (to avoid delay of unpacking pbuilder environment for every package) ? [10:50] well, you unpack the pbuilder to keep it clean [10:51] LaserJock: btw, what browser are you using ? [10:51] I tried lynx & elinks, both failed in password recovery [10:51] right now? [10:51] firefox [10:52] ok [10:53] sometimes it gives my a python error ! 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