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ogra:))12:29
pygiBacking up itself:12:30
pygi... recognized CD-RW ... blanks it ... burns ... verifies ok.12:30
pygilibburn-on-cdrecord, weeee :)12:31
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sbalneavogra: I sent off the lbmount to pitti.12:36
sbalneavhere's for you12:36
sbalneavsent12:36
sbalneavhopefully, this will address all his concerns!12:36
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cbx33ogra, I am so sorry about before....I just totally mis-read it12:42
cbx33and I didn't need to implement the message numbers12:42
cbx33because of the way it is now done12:42
cbx33using signals and callback handlers12:44
ograsbalneav, ltspfsmounter done in python ... i'm working on the cleanup function now ... and add the bits to ldm locally12:50
sbalneavDude!12:51
cbx33ogra, how are we going to start process for execute and detach them from python?12:52
sbalneavand you'll send me your new bits tonight so I can play play play, right?!?!? :) 12:52
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Laser_awayeasy boy ;-)12:52
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ograsbalneav, doing now, not sure if i have the power to go on hacking after the meeting12:56
sbalneavthis a private meeting?12:57
rodarvussbalneav, nope, ubuntu developers team weekly meeting12:57
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rodarvusstarting in 3 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting12:57
sbalneavI might pop in for a bit.12:58
ograsent12:58
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sbalneavthanks ogra, things are REALLY starting to look good.12:58
mhzneurogeek: hi there12:59
ograyeah12:59
neurogeekmhz, how is it going??12:59
ogranow the floppies and we're done :)12:59
cbx33:)01:00
cbx33well done guys01:00
ograwell, the floppy part can still be hairy :)01:00
ograoh, and we dont have a queueing solution yet for pre-plugged devices ...01:00
cbx33I don;t know how you've managed to do that....and put up with me whinging about SCP and dbus01:00
mhzneurogeek: just passing by a cibercafe ...01:01
mhzneurogeek: but good thx01:01
cbx33nn all01:02
neurogeekmhz glad to hear that.. when are you planning on having inet at home again?01:02
mhzneurogeek: uuufff, as soon as I can afford to move to an apartment :(01:03
neurogeekwhy is that? you have to move out?01:04
mhzneurogeek: i have even tried to get web access from a neighbours' but distance was to large01:04
neurogeekmhz, have you tried to build a home-made antenna?01:05
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mhzneurogeek: hmm, not yet, mainly because I should be moving anyways. Actually, I should have moved 2 months ago, at least.01:07
neurogeekmhz, ok.. good luck then01:08
mhzhehehe01:08
mhzneurogeek: thx01:09
mhzneurogeek: how about you? SMS? other apps?01:09
neurogeekmhz, well, im working on a lot of stuff right now.. SMS is a pain because of the contracts.. plus im learning french.. jejeje very difficult i have to say..01:12
mhzneurogeek: indeed, but not so much when you already master at least another lang besides your mother tongue.01:23
mhzand not as difficult as learning Chineese or Janpaneese, or any alike (Russian even)01:24
mhz:)01:24
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neurogeekwell thats true.. but man.. in spite.. that d**n difficult01:25
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bddebianHowdy02:00
ograsbalneav, you got mail :)02:01
sbalneavCool02:01
sbalneavchecking02:01
sbalneavSo, was it a good meeting?02:02
ograsorry for the broken version ...02:02
ograsure :)02:02
ograi'm always happy if i survive the thursday meeting ;)02:02
sbalneav:( Do you sometimes not survive?02:04
ograsure i do ... but thats the day where mdz usually asks the hard questions ... :)02:05
sbalneavahhhh02:08
sbalneav:)02:08
ograltspfs /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 002:14
ograltspfs /media/ogra2/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 002:14
ograhmm02:14
ograintresting02:14
ograthere is no bind mount at all 02:14
ograohh02:15
ograas the user who did the bindmount i see it ...02:16
ograif i'm not the user i see it as ltspfs mount :)02:16
ograthast transparency ... :P02:16
ograbut thats very sexy for the cleanup02:17
ograogra@edubuntu:~$ cat /proc/mounts |grep ltspfs|grep ogra2|awk '{print $2}'02:17
ogra/tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda102:17
sbalneavyeah, the bindmount's nice that way02:18
ograoh, ah ... its different in the output of mount ...02:18
ogramount actually shows the bind mount02:19
ogra/proc/mounts has it as ltspfs mount02:19
ograso we just need to unmount all ltspfs mounts that match $USER from /proc/mounts ... easy :)02:19
sbalneavyep!02:29
sbalneavbut, we'll need to use the lbmounter on the bind mount one, because it will need su02:30
sbalneavman!  2:30 am your time!  I hope you sleep in!02:31
ogracleanup code done ... 02:51
ograi'll mail it to you and go to bed ;)02:51
ograi also removed the special cdrom handling ... pitti should solve it02:52
sbalneavexcellent02:53
ograsbalneav, i just discovered a horrible thing :/02:53
sbalneavoh noes!02:53
sbalneavwhat?02:53
ograogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ls -l /media/|grep ogra02:54
ogradrwx------ 2 ogra2 ogra2 4096 2006-08-18 02:52 ogra202:54
ograwhat do you see ? 02:54
sbalneavum, an ogra2 directory?02:54
ograogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ su ogra202:55
ograPassword: 02:55
ograogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ mkdir /media/ogra2/blupp02:55
ograogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ltspfs 192.168.0.250:/tmp/drives/usbdisk-sda1 /media/ogra2/blupp02:57
ograxauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/ogra/.Xauthority02:57
ograwell, i cheated and su'ed ...02:57
ograbut blupp is mounted ...02:58
ograand i see the file contents02:58
ograour suid wrapper only needs to create the subdir :/02:58
sbalneavthat's all it does, and the bindmount02:58
ograwe dont need the bindmount02:59
ograthats what i mean 02:59
ograthe user has full rw permissions ... so i can create subdirs and just use ltspfs directly... 02:59
ograas user02:59
sbalneavwell, that makes it simpler! :)02:59
ograright03:00
sbalneavlol03:00
sbalneavok03:00
ograbut we wasted a lot of time for the bind stuff :(03:00
sbalneavmeh03:00
sbalneavyou say wasted time, I say "learned what not to do!"03:00
sbalneav:)03:00
ograheh, ok03:00
sbalneavhey: whatever gets us a good solution.03:00
sbalneavok, I'll hack on that tonight.03:01
sbalneavanything more to send me before you pass out?03:01
ograi'll send you what i have canged in ltspfsmounter03:02
ograsent03:03
sbalneavgoin' to bed?03:09
ograyep03:12
ogranow03:12
ograits not removing the dirs set on cleanup ...03:12
ograbut thats trivial ...03:13
sbalneavI'll play with it tonight.03:15
ogranight03:17
ograoh, btw, thats solves the two cdrom issue as well ...03:18
ogra(now i'm off ... really !)03:18
sbalneavyou're a str03:20
sbalneavstar03:20
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sbalneavback.  Developing on edubuntu now.04:16
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RichEdgreetz09:04
jsgotangcohi09:05
RichEdhighvoltage: busy recovering from a machine hang & hard reboot :(09:06
jsgotangcoRichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-August/001675.html09:07
RichEdhi jsgotango ... comment was for you ... autocomplete picked up the voltage part !09:07
jsgotangcooh!09:07
RichEdgive me a minute or two ... just getting my work back into shape to start my day ...09:08
RichEdopening your link now & email in a few secs.09:08
highvoltageRichEd: :(09:08
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highvoltageespecially on #ubuntu09:09
RichEd'lo ... maybe you should convert to lowvoltage ... especially given the western cape electricity situation09:10
highvoltagethere already is a lowvoltage09:11
RichEdwatt a pity ;)09:13
highvoltageheh, i nearly didn't get that :)09:13
RichEdjsgotangco: how is your day looking ? can we shift our time to the top of the next hour ?09:13
RichEdi'm goping to do some urgent email ... and then try to get skype working09:14
jsgotangcoRichEd: sure but i'll be out in 2 hours from now im going to have a haircut09:17
jsgotangcoand ill be without net access till monday09:18
RichEdno problem. 42 mins and counting ...09:18
RichEd10 mins09:58
jsgotangcosure sure :)10:02
jsgotangcoive already sent email reply, purchased something online and tested a webapp being developed for a client :)10:02
jsgotangcoall done while listening to Judas Priest ;)10:03
RichEdyep ... can't get quaity work like that done to britny !10:04
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RichEdjsgotangco: revising my last email ... then i'm yours10:17
RichEdping jsgotangco ... (at last) ...10:32
jsgotangcohi10:34
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jsgotangcoRichEd: thanks for the time11:11
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RichEdjsgotangco: my pleasure11:18
RichEdgreetz willvdl 11:19
RichEdam going to mail you case study doc format now11:19
RichEdfollowed by a high level steps forward project plan ... to you and cbx33 = pete savage11:20
willvdlgreetings11:20
willvdlthe mail from Maning on edubuntu-devel has got me thinking11:21
RichEdyep ... i want to factor that in ... and corey's response ....11:21
RichEdand a user mail i got with good priase for home kids use11:21
willvdlcool.11:22
willvdldid you get the evaluation I sent you yesterday?11:23
jsgotangcothe email from Maning is a reflection of the overall situation here11:26
willvdljsgotangco: I liked your reply11:26
willvdlI remember highvoltage coming across a wikipedia bundle put together by the red cross childrens' hospital11:27
jsgotangcoan LTSP setup here is quite unknown11:27
jsgotangcothe wikipedia DB is not big, but the images are11:27
jsgotangcoif you merge the data + media it may span to more than 4 DVDs11:28
willvdlin tuXlabs we got reprimanded because some child stumbled across a hand-drawn karma sutra page11:28
jsgotangcoyeah wikipedia has that11:29
willvdlWas amusing but serious at the same time11:29
jsgotangcothe wikipedia maybe useful for current events, but wikibooks seems a saner option11:30
willvdlWe packaged an offline snapshot (not the whole thing) and therefore were responsible for the content we provided11:30
RichEdjsgotangco: skype up & working ... just added you to my contacts11:31
willvdlThe idea of using a snapshot the someone like Red Cross have gone through by hand is quite enticing11:31
RichEdwe'll give it a go on tuesday ... okay ?11:31
jsgotangcosure thing11:31
RichEdwillvdl: yep got the mail ... goiong through them all now11:31
willvdlIt's a nice read. especially the recommendations if you just want to scan11:33
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RichEdcoffee time comedy note ... have you guys heard this ? http://www.spaff.com/poesy/blog.html11:46
RichEdI BLOG ALONE ~ Parody of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dream11:47
willvdlMY eyes! It burns! It burnses11:48
jsgotangcoagghhh11:48
jsgotangcomy virgin eyes@!11:48
RichEdlisten ... don't look :)11:48
willvdltoo late. it's burnt into my eyelids11:49
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jsgotangcoRichEd: what's your skype ID?11:50
RichEdrichard.edubuntu11:51
jsgotangcoCape Town, Somalia???11:51
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RichEdCape Town, Somalia ??? RichED checks outside his window12:16
willvdlToto, RichEd's not in Kansas anymore12:19
RichEdno UN observers spotted ... can't be somalia12:20
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rodarvusgood morning12:57
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sbalneavogra: pingity!03:01
ograsbalneav, pongity03:03
ogradid you notice that ubuntu uses dash as default shell ? 03:03
ograno bashisms allowed :/03:04
sbalneavDash?03:04
sbalneavNo I didn't03:04
ograso we need to keep the tr pipe ... 03:04
ograsorry03:04
sbalneavThats ok03:05
ograanother big prob i have here is that we move /tmp around during boot03:05
sbalneavBut, I had a better idea for the ldm...03:05
ograso .delayed-mount gets lost 03:05
sbalneav?!03:05
ogratmop gets bind mounted into a tmpfs during boot03:06
ogra*tmp03:06
ograso it becomes rw03:06
ogra.delayed-mount doesnt get copied along ...03:06
sbalneavah, ok, I didn't try right from a cold powerup03:06
ograif you plug in before login while ldm is up, all is fine03:06
sbalneavthat's what I was testing.03:07
ograbut pre plugged doesnt work ... i'm hunting :)03:07
ograand cdpinger needs to use .delayed-mount as well 03:07
ograi wonder how evil it woud be to write to /dev03:07
ogra(.delayed-mount i mean)03:07
ogradev is already a tmpfs in the initramfs and doesn tget moved anymore03:08
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ogra/var/run should also be possible03:08
ograwhats your idea for ldm ? 03:08
ograi have the code we discussed yesterday running here ... works fine 03:08
sbalneavabout the other, though, we should make an exit script call in ldm.  After the fork, we could call something like "post-login-ldm", set up a small script similar to Xsesssion that will go through a post-ldm.d dir, and execute stuff in there.  That way, if we come up with more stuff that needs to be done post-login, it's easy to add (just drop script in post-ldm.d)03:09
ograyup, i thought the same ... but thats a bit much for now ... lets keep it in mind ...03:10
ograwe cant rewrite the whole of ltsp in one chunk :)03:10
sbalneavis it getting too close to freeze to make that change to ldm?03:10
ograldm will get a lot of other stuff as well ...03:10
ograno, but i'm running out of time03:11
ograwe need to get finished03:11
ograi have 12 sepcs or so ... and only until 7th of sept03:11
sbalneavok, then lets stick with delayed-mounter, we just need to figure out where to put .delayed-mount03:11
ograand i work extensively on one 03:11
sbalneavWell, I'll of course help with them all :)03:11
ograsure03:11
ograbut still ... not much time left03:12
ograi'll do some testing which dir might be appropriate03:12
sbalneavabsolutely.  So, if pitti approves the lbmount, lets just stick with the bindmount for not.03:12
sbalneavnow03:12
ograyep03:12
ograif he would approve ltspfs/d, then i could finally move on and add the scripts to the packages :/03:13
ograits still not in main ...03:13
ograi feel a bit stuck currently in that area ...03:13
sbalneavok.  I think all we need to do for floppies (legacy) is a udev rule (ive got one allready), and a simple if [ -f /dev/floppy ] ; then /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry floppy vfat; fi03:14
ograno03:14
ogras/vfat/auto/ please03:14
ograbut the rest looks fine ...03:14
ograwhat do we do about unmounting ? 03:15
sbalneavltspfsd handles is, remember? :)03:15
ograthe bindmount ? 03:15
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sbalneavthat will get done during the add_fstab_entry.03:16
ograthe removal of the bind mount :)03:16
sbalneavyour cleanup bit03:16
ograhmm03:16
sbalneavssh ... && ltspfsmounter cleanup03:16
ograso the floppy stays on the desktop all the session03:17
sbalneavsure03:17
ograah03:17
ograok03:17
sbalneavthere's no way to check for media with floppies03:17
ograyes03:17
ograthast what i meant03:17
sbalneavyeah, what we do on stock is just put it there.03:17
sbalneavworstcase is, they click on it with no drive, and the floppy drive rattles :)03:18
ograyup, understood03:18
sbalneavsimple, elegant, and workable.03:18
ograwell, elegant would be to have feedback from the HW like on cdroms ;)03:18
ograbut its the best we can have :)03:18
sbalneavyeah, but floppies have been broken for media detection for, oh, say 20 years, so I don't think we can solve that one :)03:19
sbalneavwe could conceivably have this finished up tonight.03:20
ograwell ... we could invent an extension kit and ship ubuntu special floppy edition CDs with a soldering iron and a little circuit ;)03:20
sbalneavlol03:20
sbalneavI'll get right on it :)03:20
ograheh03:20
sbalneavwhat'll be next after this, nbd swap?03:20
sbalneavor the dhcp autoconfig?03:21
ogradhcp autoconfig is only installer hacking 03:21
ograwell, fsvo only :)03:21
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ulisseciao03:21
ogratast something i need to build many test CDs for etc03:22
ograndb swap i would say ... but i need to see what rodarvus has already, we'll do that at the sprint03:22
ulisseis it possible to have local sound on terminals? I only can play sounds thru the server...03:22
sbalneavsprint's next week?03:22
ograyes03:22
ulissewith ltsp, I mean...03:22
ograstarting sunday03:23
sbalneavulisse: what is it you're trying to do?03:23
ograulisse, create a lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/03:23
ograadd:03:23
ogra[default] 03:23
ograSOUND=True03:23
ograthen all your clients will use local sound output03:23
sbalneavOh, I see what he's saying, I was thinking he meant running a local sound app like skype or something/03:24
sbalneavulisse: yep, that will work.03:24
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ograstudent-control-panel completion is high priority ... i should have that done by end of the month as well03:25
rodarvusogra, was scp approved at all?03:25
rodarvus(or i'm mixing scp with ltspmanager?)03:25
ograand i can probably add the ldm-post-session.d thingie afterwards if i have the time to target ltsp-login-and-session-handling03:25
sbalneavogra: someone else was working on it yesterday, I think.  cbx33 i beleive?  Anything I can help with that?03:25
ograrodarvus, no, but that doesnt matter as long as its approved in the end03:26
sbalneavmorning rodarvus 03:26
ulisseYEAH! It's working! Thanks ogra and sbalneav :)03:26
ograwell, he does the biggest part (dbus integration) atm ...03:26
ograthe other stuff is rather trivial 03:26
rodarvushi sbalneav!03:26
ograltsp-manager is something i can work on after freeze ... its in universe and will stay theer for edgy03:27
sbalneavguess my question is: what would YOU like me to start poking on after we get localdevs done?03:27
ulisseI had already tried sthg similar, but with an older/different howto I found at ltsp.sourceforge.net... it didn't work03:27
ograsbalneav, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs pick what you like :)03:27
sbalneavrodarvus: how much have you done on pulling across our patches into nbd?03:28
ograsbalneav, but i think we should rather see that we get you up to speed with packagin ... make you a member and motu so you can package and upload ;)03:28
sbalneavwell, that too.03:28
sbalneav:)03:28
ogra:)03:28
rodarvussbalneav, this was the easy part, mostly done03:29
sbalneavok, cool03:29
rodarvusI just have to cleanup it, and send upstream03:29
rodarvuswell, I propose sbalneav to apply for ubuntu-devel, on next CC meeting03:30
rodarvusogra and I will surely cheer for you :)03:30
ulissehmm... other question (I'm quite new to ltsp...): is it possible to access local drives? (hd, cdrom...)03:30
sbalneavulisse: hehe03:30
sbalneavwe're working on is AS WE SPEAK!! :)03:30
sbalneavhang around and watch the exciting development!03:31
ulissewow! So it is better if I let you work... :)03:31
sbalneavNot for dapper, but it will be in edgy.03:31
ulissenp, I'll wait03:31
sbalneavWe promise it will be very sexy :)03:31
ograrodarvus, he needs to become member first :)03:32
rodarvusright. that too >:-)03:33
ogra(but tat shouldnt be *any* problem :) at least with the EC )03:33
rodarvusindeed03:33
rodarvusedubuntu-membership automatically gives ubuntu membership, doesn't it?03:33
ograthe meeting after the sprint is an EC one03:33
ograyep03:34
ograbah, i got s used to listen to my music from the thin client from a usb disk that it starts to annoy me to develop on the scripts :P03:35
ograsince i need to stop the music all the time :)03:35
ograi need more hardware !03:35
sbalneavogra: I think once we get the .delayed-mount issue sorted, and the quicky bit in for floppies, we're basically done, yes?03:35
ograyep03:36
sbalneavogra: want another thin client? I can bring you one in Sept!03:36
ograi have a bunch here 03:36
ograi just dont want to clutter the new office with tube monitors ...03:36
ograso i need new LCDs ... but amd currently a bit short on money03:37
ogra(the move costed a lot)03:37
sbalneavah, you need flatpanels then!  I'll see if I can dig you one up.03:37
sbalneavI think I have one I can give you.03:37
ograthick i can get it in a plane nowadays ? 03:37
ograyou know the L in LCD stands for liquid ;)03:37
sbalneavSure, just check it, not carry on :)03:38
ograsbalneav, btw, did you test ssh with cipher=none ? 03:42
sbalneavheh, did some testing at home03:43
ograand ? does it speed up as you thought ?03:43
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rodarvusI'm considering buying a LCD in Wiesbaden03:44
sbalneavmy rough calculation is...03:44
rodarvusogra, how much do you pay for a reasonable 19" LCD in Germany?03:44
ograrodarvus, nice, lets go shopping :)03:45
rodarvusheh :)03:45
sbalneavif we run with cipher = none, at 15 terminals you're only getting 20% more load than by just using gdm03:45
ograthe one i brought to paris costed ~22003:45
sbalneavso, performance wise I think it'd be good to push for,03:45
ograit as a special offer at a HW discounter here03:45
sbalneavbut, if the ssh maintainer doesn't want to include it by default, at a bare minimum, we should write up a howto on how to patch it, for the adventurous who want the performance.03:46
ograsbalneav, well, i dounbt we can convince the debian and ubuntu ssh mantainers. ...03:46
ograbut lets try :)03:46
sbalneavI think it would be well worth the effort to at least explain the reasoning.03:47
ograsure03:47
ograthats not the point ... i'm sure Kamion will understand it well ... but having the possibility to drop all cipher will be considered harmful by him, i'm pretty sure03:48
sbalneavyeah, but it would be a very deliberate action on the users part.03:49
ograwell, it will be one value to change in an upcoming ldm.conf :)03:49
sbalneavkeep all the config files the same so that None wouldn't be recognized.  They'd have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server, AND specify ssh -C ...,None on the command line when sshing.03:50
sbalneavnot something likely to happen by accident :)03:50
ogratrue 03:50
sbalneavI mean: you can also do an apt-get install telnetd in ubuntu, also a very deliberate act. :)03:51
ograrodarvus, thats a cheap discounter you find in nearly every city in germany: http://www.mediaonline.de/shop/category_5000_5000_-3_5000.13012.1301403:52
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rodarvusLCD monitors are *quite* expensive in Brazil :/03:52
ograthey start at 180 it seems  03:53
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rodarvus180 would be an excellent price!03:53
ograsbalneav, right ... lets wait for Kamion ... 03:53
rodarvusI'll be right back03:54
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sbalneavogra: I'll throw an lcd in my luggage.  03:55
ograwoah ..03:55
ograyou really dont need to, you know that !03:56
sbalneavNo problem: anything I can do to make your life better.03:58
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RichEdogra: all set for the sprint ?04:00
RichEd(hi)04:00
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ograRichEd, not yet ... (i only have to drive 250km)04:00
ograthats quickly prepared :)04:01
sbalneavIn his Porche04:01
ograi hope so ...04:01
sbalneavWhich, so I understand, will bring him :)04:01
ograthe valves are rattling quite evil04:01
rodarvusI wonder whats the distance from Curitiba to Wiesbaden04:01
ograneed to adjust them ...04:01
RichEdwell have fun on the autobahn ... rattles and all !04:02
ograif i dont find the time tomorrow, i will take the citroen ...04:02
rodarvusogra, take care on your way to Wiesbaden.04:02
ograsure :)04:02
ograits only german motorways ... nothing to fear :)04:03
rodarvusright04:04
rodarvusin Brazil you are not allowed to drive faster than 110 km/h04:04
rodarvusthere is only one freeway in the whole country where you can drive a little faster: 120 km/h04:04
ograheh04:05
rodarvusmedium sized trucks: 100 km/h. big trucks, 80 km/h. huge trucks, 60 km/h (and 30 km/h on hills)04:06
ograin germany you are a hazard with 120 ... you can either line up with the trucks with 100 on the right lane or need to drive faster ...04:06
sbalneavogra: just looking at the Xnest bug needed for the sabayon bit.  If I start Xnest on a terminal, it works fine.  So maybe it's just the way sabayon's STARTING the xnest?04:06
ograsbalneav, thats what i suspected ... but even that might be gone already04:07
ograi didnt look into it yet and was planning it for post freeze ... its a bugfix, not freeze critical04:07
ograso it has a bit more time ...04:07
ograright, works fine here as well04:09
sbalneavWell, that's good.  Fix is likely to be easy then.04:11
ograi dont want to install sabayon now, but i bet it works already :)04:11
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sbalneavogra: you want 1024x768 or 1280x1024? :)04:30
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ograi have 1280x1024 already ...04:40
ograoh, pitti pinged in query04:40
ogrameh04:42
ograhe wont approve ltspfs and ltspfsd before next week ...04:42
sbalneavis he going to audit them?04:43
ograwell, he usually only looks at security bugs etc04:44
ograand at the packging 04:44
ograi hope he doesnt start auditing the code because he feels like 04:44
ograurgh04:49
ograindeed he did audit the code ...04:49
sbalneavdid he send you an email?04:50
ogranope04:51
ograhe talks to me in pm04:51
ograhe needs to rush out sapparently04:51
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ograsbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfs04:53
ograsbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfsd04:54
ograhe added comments ...04:54
ograno biggies on first sight (but dont ask for second :P )04:55
sbalneavah, ok, just the sprintf stuff. 04:56
sbalneavI can fix that today.04:56
ograyay04:57
ograKeybuk promotes them anyway :)04:58
ogranow they are in main :)04:58
sbalneavah, well, we'll fix pitti's concerns anyway.  Good to be nice to pitti.04:58
ograso i can add all the scripts to the packages ....04:58
ograright, but its always an un-calculatable value if he's involved ...04:59
ograyou never know what he finds ...04:59
ogramight take you days to get it right :)04:59
sbalneavheh, I'd rather that than a sloppy guy who passes everything.  The two thing he flagged are a 1/2 hour's work.  I'm heading home in 1/2 hour to take delivery of a mattress, so I'll get to them then.  I'll let you know when you can do a cvs pull/repackage.05:01
ogragood05:01
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bddebianHello05:03
sbalneavHello bddebian 05:06
sbalneavok, I'm going to start heading home.  I'll log in once I get myself oganized.  Expect me again in an hour.05:07
bddebianHi sbalneav05:07
sbalneavsee you all in a bit.05:07
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ograciao05:07
willvdlping RichEd05:09
lucasvowhat do I need to get localdevices working(dvd)?05:16
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ograa bit of patience :)05:17
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lucasvoogra: currently not in edgy?05:17
ogranope, not yet05:19
ograthe ltspfs packages moved to main about 30min ago05:19
ogranow the scripts need to be added there05:19
ograand sbalneav has to do some small fixed on the suid wrapper we use05:19
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sbalneavBack again06:25
highvoltagesbalneav: wb06:28
ograsbalneav, .delayed-mounts must move to /var/run ... and we need to create the /tmp/drives/mountpoint dirs for them in delayed_mounter ... working on it06:31
sbalneavAwesome.  One supposes /var/run would be the "proper" FHS standard place for them anyway06:32
ogra/var/run is used by udev as well, so we can always be sure thats available at any time 06:33
ogra /tmp sadly changes during boot06:33
ograargh06:34
ograas fstab does 06:34
ogragah06:34
ograthats why it doesnt mount ... damned 06:34
ograwell ...  i guess we need to enhance the format of .delayed-mounts so we can create an fstab entry if its not there yet06:35
ograthis bind mounting stuff to have rw files is hard :/06:36
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sbalneavHe's just marking dead pages in the garbage collector.  We all need it from time to time :)06:43
highvoltageabsolutely06:44
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pygi_anybody have some time to test something for me? :)07:10
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highvoltagepygi: depends what :)07:11
pygihighvoltage, "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer07:11
highvoltagehow do i do that?07:12
highvoltagei don't have any bandwidth though :/07:12
highvoltagei'm on gprs :(07:12
willvdleek07:13
pygihighvoltage, ah, later then :)07:13
willvdlwas wondering what you did for bw07:13
pygithanks for good will tho07:13
highvoltagelol @ good will07:14
highvoltagenice pun07:14
jsgotangcogprs eekkk07:18
pygihighvoltage, just you laugh ^_^07:19
highvoltagejsgotangco: it's how i've been connecting from home for almost the last year now :(07:21
highvoltagewillvdl: i'm actually thinking of getting a WBS card07:21
jsgotangcohuh? you must have loads of cash to do that07:21
willvdleeeeeek07:21
highvoltagejsgotangco: it's cheaper in south africa than the rest of the world07:21
jsgotangcoi can imagine considering the state of wired telecoms there07:22
pygijsgotangco, lots of competition :)07:22
highvoltageit costs between R0.50 and R2 per MB, depending on which package you are07:22
highvoltagedivide R by 6 for US$07:22
willvdlhighvoltage: mweb have a _decent_ish offering07:22
highvoltagewillvdl: i'm contemplating that too07:22
jsgotangcois 3G still expensive there?07:22
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highvoltage3g is the same price as gprs, basically07:23
willvdlit's still vodacom07:23
highvoltagewillvdl: but i have to sign the contract with mweb ;)07:23
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highvoltageyou're right though. their offer does look good07:23
highvoltagethey say on mweb's website that it's HSDPA07:23
jsgotangcowhy not get an HSDPA card07:23
highvoltagejsgotangco: that's the plan :)07:24
willvdljsgotangco: I have one. it is slightly more expensive but getting HSDPA speed is a myth07:24
highvoltagewe use the terms HSDPA/3G fairly interchangably here07:24
willvdlor a female moth07:24
highvoltageheh07:24
jsgotangcoheh07:24
willvdlmybroadband.co.za has cool section on getting cards to work on linux07:25
jsgotangcohmm is it just me or is it that planet ubuntu is like a spammer lately >:D07:25
highvoltagehow so?07:26
highvoltagei think it sux a bit that people aren't using real hackergotchis :/07:27
pygisoon you'll see k3b without cdrecord :)07:27
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highvoltagejsgotangco: wow, i see what you mean07:29
highvoltageseems like Ubuntu Demon is taking out his forum-habits on his blog!07:29
pygihighvoltage, http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7821/cdrskink3bxu3.gif07:29
pygienough bandwith for this?07:29
jsgotangcoohhhhh07:30
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highvoltagepygi: can i burn dvd's too with libburn?07:31
pygihighvoltage, no, you can't :'(07:31
highvoltageand is there any limitations on cd-writing?07:31
highvoltagewhat can't it do at the moment?07:31
pygiyes, there are limitations07:32
pygino -tao, no multi-session, no dvd support07:32
pygimost notable lackings07:32
highvoltagethose aren't biggies for me07:32
highvoltagei can't remember ever writing a multi-session cd on linux before07:33
jsgotangco>:D07:33
highvoltageand i mostly write data cd's, so i always write dao/sao07:33
highvoltagepygi: is there a libburn howto somewhere?07:33
pygihighvoltage, what exactly would you need?07:34
highvoltagepygi: did i tell you before that I once had a signature that said "Solaris said: 'install solaris or better', so I installed GNU/Linux"?07:34
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highvoltagepygi: just to burn plain iso images to CD, nothing fancy. some bootable, but i suppose that happens at the mkisofs level.07:35
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pygihighvoltage, no, you haven't :)07:35
pygihighvoltage, libburn is a library, but I have application for you07:35
pygihttp://libburn.pykix.org/wiki07:36
pygi(do a checkout, and run:)07:36
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pygibootstrap07:36
pygi./configure07:36
pygimake07:36
pygi(do not use "sudo make install" for now, Makefile.am broken)07:36
highvoltageok, i'll put it on my download hitlist07:36
highvoltageok07:37
pygihighvoltage, you have "burniso" binary under test directory07:37
pygiit's very easy to use07:37
pygi./burniso ~/downloads/ubuntu.iso07:37
pygithat's all you need :)07:37
highvoltagehow would i burn cd's from k3b then like you do?07:37
highvoltagei mean, how would i replace cdrecord with it?07:38
highvoltagewow, that is easy :)07:38
pygiah, to burn cd's from k3b07:38
pygiI need to write tutorial for that :)07:38
pygihighvoltage, let's start :)07:40
pygionce you compile everything, you'll have "cdrskin" binary under "cdrskin" dir07:40
pygiclick in menu "Settings" on "Configure K3b..." , "Programs" , "Search Path". In the form enter the complete address of the cdrskin binary.07:40
willvdlpumpkin time. lekker weekend all07:41
highvoltageu2 will07:41
pygiclick "Programs"...cdrskin should be default writer app07:41
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pygihighvoltage, you must test whetever cdrecord address of the writer is a valid cdrskin-address of the same device07:42
pygiThis can be tested by inserting a *blank* CD-RW into the drive (leaving any other drive empty) and trying to burn a K3b data CD.07:42
highvoltagei think i'll check how big it is and try to download it07:43
pygiif it isn't, I'll help then07:43
pygihighvoltage, not big really07:43
pygiand now, if addresses are good, you can burn07:43
pygiif addresses aren't good, poke me07:43
pygihighvoltage, btw. -tao is needed for burn-on-the-fly without knowing size of cd07:44
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highvoltageaah07:44
highvoltagei rarely brun on the fly07:44
highvoltage*very* rarely :)07:45
pygigood, good ^_^07:45
pygihighvoltage, I should fix the makefile.am soon, so you should *even* be able to install it07:46
pygiI'll soon also have debian package07:46
highvoltage*g*07:47
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pygithanks for the help ^_^07:48
pygiif you find any bugs or you miss something, file a ticket pls07:48
highvoltageChecked out revision 5.07:59
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ograsbalneav, done ! delayedmounting is working as expected :)08:05
sbalneavWooters!08:05
ograso whats missing apart from floppies ?08:06
sbalneavI've just built another edubuntu box, and waiting for updates to download, once they do: sed -i -e "s/dapper/edgy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list08:06
sbalneavThats it, I think08:07
ograyeah08:07
sbalneavI'm waiting for cvs to come back to fix the ltspfs[d]  stuff that pitti remarked on.  I'd expect I'll have that done in a couple hours.  You want to add the couple lines for floppies?08:07
ograi cant test them08:08
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sbalneavok, tell you what: I may have some odd versions of things.  Can you tarball me up everything, so I'm running exactly what you've got, and I'll do it right now.08:08
ogratake your time :)08:09
ograits enough to add the floppy part next week 08:09
sbalneavoh, btw, s/.ltspfs-socket/.server-socket/ ?08:09
ograoh, right, havent done that yet08:09
sbalneavcripes, we'll be talking in python soon08:09
sbalneav:)08:09
ograyay :)08:10
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sbalneavfor i in bugs:08:10
sbalneav   i.fixBug()08:10
ograi.reject() ?08:10
bddebiani.sitidle()08:10
highvoltagelol08:13
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ograoh, i forgot, we still need a nautilus patch to suppress the eject menuitem08:15
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ograsbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev.tgz09:03
sbalneavOoooo09:03
sbalneavyum09:03
ograincluding the ldm changes09:03
sbalneavSuper!!!09:03
ogralucasvo, if you like the risk and want to play .... ^^^^09:03
ogratheer are two subdirs (server/client) containing READMEs with instructions 09:04
ograbut i'll likely package all the stuff over the weekend ...09:04
ograso if you can wait ... its just apt-get then :)09:05
ograsbalneav, that hasnt te socket namechange yet ... 09:05
ograi'll take a long break now, but will probably fix it later tonight09:06
sbalneavI think you deserve a movie & a beer09:06
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pygihighvoltage, how's k3b? :)09:34
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lucasvoogra: I guess I'll wait11:31
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