| ogra | :)) | 12:29 |
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| pygi | Backing up itself: | 12:30 |
| pygi | ... recognized CD-RW ... blanks it ... burns ... verifies ok. | 12:30 |
| pygi | libburn-on-cdrecord, weeee :) | 12:31 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: I sent off the lbmount to pitti. | 12:36 |
| sbalneav | here's for you | 12:36 |
| sbalneav | sent | 12:36 |
| sbalneav | hopefully, this will address all his concerns! | 12:36 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, I am so sorry about before....I just totally mis-read it | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | and I didn't need to implement the message numbers | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | because of the way it is now done | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | using signals and callback handlers | 12:44 |
| ogra | sbalneav, ltspfsmounter done in python ... i'm working on the cleanup function now ... and add the bits to ldm locally | 12:50 |
| sbalneav | Dude! | 12:51 |
| cbx33 | ogra, how are we going to start process for execute and detach them from python? | 12:52 |
| sbalneav | and you'll send me your new bits tonight so I can play play play, right?!?!? :) | 12:52 |
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| Laser_away | easy boy ;-) | 12:52 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, doing now, not sure if i have the power to go on hacking after the meeting | 12:56 |
| sbalneav | this a private meeting? | 12:57 |
| rodarvus | sbalneav, nope, ubuntu developers team weekly meeting | 12:57 |
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| rodarvus | starting in 3 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting | 12:57 |
| sbalneav | I might pop in for a bit. | 12:58 |
| ogra | sent | 12:58 |
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| sbalneav | thanks ogra, things are REALLY starting to look good. | 12:58 |
| mhz | neurogeek: hi there | 12:59 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:59 |
| neurogeek | mhz, how is it going?? | 12:59 |
| ogra | now the floppies and we're done :) | 12:59 |
| cbx33 | :) | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | well done guys | 01:00 |
| ogra | well, the floppy part can still be hairy :) | 01:00 |
| ogra | oh, and we dont have a queueing solution yet for pre-plugged devices ... | 01:00 |
| cbx33 | I don;t know how you've managed to do that....and put up with me whinging about SCP and dbus | 01:00 |
| mhz | neurogeek: just passing by a cibercafe ... | 01:01 |
| mhz | neurogeek: but good thx | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | nn all | 01:02 |
| neurogeek | mhz glad to hear that.. when are you planning on having inet at home again? | 01:02 |
| mhz | neurogeek: uuufff, as soon as I can afford to move to an apartment :( | 01:03 |
| neurogeek | why is that? you have to move out? | 01:04 |
| mhz | neurogeek: i have even tried to get web access from a neighbours' but distance was to large | 01:04 |
| neurogeek | mhz, have you tried to build a home-made antenna? | 01:05 |
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| mhz | neurogeek: hmm, not yet, mainly because I should be moving anyways. Actually, I should have moved 2 months ago, at least. | 01:07 |
| neurogeek | mhz, ok.. good luck then | 01:08 |
| mhz | hehehe | 01:08 |
| mhz | neurogeek: thx | 01:09 |
| mhz | neurogeek: how about you? SMS? other apps? | 01:09 |
| neurogeek | mhz, well, im working on a lot of stuff right now.. SMS is a pain because of the contracts.. plus im learning french.. jejeje very difficult i have to say.. | 01:12 |
| mhz | neurogeek: indeed, but not so much when you already master at least another lang besides your mother tongue. | 01:23 |
| mhz | and not as difficult as learning Chineese or Janpaneese, or any alike (Russian even) | 01:24 |
| mhz | :) | 01:24 |
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| neurogeek | well thats true.. but man.. in spite.. that d**n difficult | 01:25 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 02:00 |
| ogra | sbalneav, you got mail :) | 02:01 |
| sbalneav | Cool | 02:01 |
| sbalneav | checking | 02:01 |
| sbalneav | So, was it a good meeting? | 02:02 |
| ogra | sorry for the broken version ... | 02:02 |
| ogra | sure :) | 02:02 |
| ogra | i'm always happy if i survive the thursday meeting ;) | 02:02 |
| sbalneav | :( Do you sometimes not survive? | 02:04 |
| ogra | sure i do ... but thats the day where mdz usually asks the hard questions ... :) | 02:05 |
| sbalneav | ahhhh | 02:08 |
| sbalneav | :) | 02:08 |
| ogra | ltspfs /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0 | 02:14 |
| ogra | ltspfs /media/ogra2/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0 | 02:14 |
| ogra | hmm | 02:14 |
| ogra | intresting | 02:14 |
| ogra | there is no bind mount at all | 02:14 |
| ogra | ohh | 02:15 |
| ogra | as the user who did the bindmount i see it ... | 02:16 |
| ogra | if i'm not the user i see it as ltspfs mount :) | 02:16 |
| ogra | thast transparency ... :P | 02:16 |
| ogra | but thats very sexy for the cleanup | 02:17 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~$ cat /proc/mounts |grep ltspfs|grep ogra2|awk '{print $2}' | 02:17 |
| ogra | /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 | 02:17 |
| sbalneav | yeah, the bindmount's nice that way | 02:18 |
| ogra | oh, ah ... its different in the output of mount ... | 02:18 |
| ogra | mount actually shows the bind mount | 02:19 |
| ogra | /proc/mounts has it as ltspfs mount | 02:19 |
| ogra | so we just need to unmount all ltspfs mounts that match $USER from /proc/mounts ... easy :) | 02:19 |
| sbalneav | yep! | 02:29 |
| sbalneav | but, we'll need to use the lbmounter on the bind mount one, because it will need su | 02:30 |
| sbalneav | man! 2:30 am your time! I hope you sleep in! | 02:31 |
| ogra | cleanup code done ... | 02:51 |
| ogra | i'll mail it to you and go to bed ;) | 02:51 |
| ogra | i also removed the special cdrom handling ... pitti should solve it | 02:52 |
| sbalneav | excellent | 02:53 |
| ogra | sbalneav, i just discovered a horrible thing :/ | 02:53 |
| sbalneav | oh noes! | 02:53 |
| sbalneav | what? | 02:53 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ls -l /media/|grep ogra | 02:54 |
| ogra | drwx------ 2 ogra2 ogra2 4096 2006-08-18 02:52 ogra2 | 02:54 |
| ogra | what do you see ? | 02:54 |
| sbalneav | um, an ogra2 directory? | 02:54 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ su ogra2 | 02:55 |
| ogra | Password: | 02:55 |
| ogra | ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ mkdir /media/ogra2/blupp | 02:55 |
| ogra | ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ltspfs 192.168.0.250:/tmp/drives/usbdisk-sda1 /media/ogra2/blupp | 02:57 |
| ogra | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ogra/.Xauthority | 02:57 |
| ogra | well, i cheated and su'ed ... | 02:57 |
| ogra | but blupp is mounted ... | 02:58 |
| ogra | and i see the file contents | 02:58 |
| ogra | our suid wrapper only needs to create the subdir :/ | 02:58 |
| sbalneav | that's all it does, and the bindmount | 02:58 |
| ogra | we dont need the bindmount | 02:59 |
| ogra | thats what i mean | 02:59 |
| ogra | the user has full rw permissions ... so i can create subdirs and just use ltspfs directly... | 02:59 |
| ogra | as user | 02:59 |
| sbalneav | well, that makes it simpler! :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | right | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | lol | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | ok | 03:00 |
| ogra | but we wasted a lot of time for the bind stuff :( | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | meh | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | you say wasted time, I say "learned what not to do!" | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | :) | 03:00 |
| ogra | heh, ok | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | hey: whatever gets us a good solution. | 03:00 |
| sbalneav | ok, I'll hack on that tonight. | 03:01 |
| sbalneav | anything more to send me before you pass out? | 03:01 |
| ogra | i'll send you what i have canged in ltspfsmounter | 03:02 |
| ogra | sent | 03:03 |
| sbalneav | goin' to bed? | 03:09 |
| ogra | yep | 03:12 |
| ogra | now | 03:12 |
| ogra | its not removing the dirs set on cleanup ... | 03:12 |
| ogra | but thats trivial ... | 03:13 |
| sbalneav | I'll play with it tonight. | 03:15 |
| ogra | night | 03:17 |
| ogra | oh, btw, thats solves the two cdrom issue as well ... | 03:18 |
| ogra | (now i'm off ... really !) | 03:18 |
| sbalneav | you're a str | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | star | 03:20 |
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| sbalneav | back. Developing on edubuntu now. | 04:16 |
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| RichEd | greetz | 09:04 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 09:05 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: busy recovering from a machine hang & hard reboot :( | 09:06 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-August/001675.html | 09:07 |
| RichEd | hi jsgotango ... comment was for you ... autocomplete picked up the voltage part ! | 09:07 |
| jsgotangco | oh! | 09:07 |
| RichEd | give me a minute or two ... just getting my work back into shape to start my day ... | 09:08 |
| RichEd | opening your link now & email in a few secs. | 09:08 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: :( | 09:08 |
| === highvoltage gets that a lot :) | ||
| highvoltage | especially on #ubuntu | 09:09 |
| RichEd | 'lo ... maybe you should convert to lowvoltage ... especially given the western cape electricity situation | 09:10 |
| highvoltage | there already is a lowvoltage | 09:11 |
| RichEd | watt a pity ;) | 09:13 |
| highvoltage | heh, i nearly didn't get that :) | 09:13 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: how is your day looking ? can we shift our time to the top of the next hour ? | 09:13 |
| RichEd | i'm goping to do some urgent email ... and then try to get skype working | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: sure but i'll be out in 2 hours from now im going to have a haircut | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | and ill be without net access till monday | 09:18 |
| RichEd | no problem. 42 mins and counting ... | 09:18 |
| RichEd | 10 mins | 09:58 |
| jsgotangco | sure sure :) | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | ive already sent email reply, purchased something online and tested a webapp being developed for a client :) | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | all done while listening to Judas Priest ;) | 10:03 |
| RichEd | yep ... can't get quaity work like that done to britny ! | 10:04 |
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| RichEd | jsgotangco: revising my last email ... then i'm yours | 10:17 |
| RichEd | ping jsgotangco ... (at last) ... | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 10:34 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: thanks for the time | 11:11 |
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| RichEd | jsgotangco: my pleasure | 11:18 |
| RichEd | greetz willvdl | 11:19 |
| RichEd | am going to mail you case study doc format now | 11:19 |
| RichEd | followed by a high level steps forward project plan ... to you and cbx33 = pete savage | 11:20 |
| willvdl | greetings | 11:20 |
| willvdl | the mail from Maning on edubuntu-devel has got me thinking | 11:21 |
| RichEd | yep ... i want to factor that in ... and corey's response .... | 11:21 |
| RichEd | and a user mail i got with good priase for home kids use | 11:21 |
| willvdl | cool. | 11:22 |
| willvdl | did you get the evaluation I sent you yesterday? | 11:23 |
| jsgotangco | the email from Maning is a reflection of the overall situation here | 11:26 |
| willvdl | jsgotangco: I liked your reply | 11:26 |
| willvdl | I remember highvoltage coming across a wikipedia bundle put together by the red cross childrens' hospital | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | an LTSP setup here is quite unknown | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | the wikipedia DB is not big, but the images are | 11:27 |
| jsgotangco | if you merge the data + media it may span to more than 4 DVDs | 11:28 |
| willvdl | in tuXlabs we got reprimanded because some child stumbled across a hand-drawn karma sutra page | 11:28 |
| jsgotangco | yeah wikipedia has that | 11:29 |
| willvdl | Was amusing but serious at the same time | 11:29 |
| jsgotangco | the wikipedia maybe useful for current events, but wikibooks seems a saner option | 11:30 |
| willvdl | We packaged an offline snapshot (not the whole thing) and therefore were responsible for the content we provided | 11:30 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: skype up & working ... just added you to my contacts | 11:31 |
| willvdl | The idea of using a snapshot the someone like Red Cross have gone through by hand is quite enticing | 11:31 |
| RichEd | we'll give it a go on tuesday ... okay ? | 11:31 |
| jsgotangco | sure thing | 11:31 |
| RichEd | willvdl: yep got the mail ... goiong through them all now | 11:31 |
| willvdl | It's a nice read. especially the recommendations if you just want to scan | 11:33 |
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| RichEd | coffee time comedy note ... have you guys heard this ? http://www.spaff.com/poesy/blog.html | 11:46 |
| RichEd | I BLOG ALONE ~ Parody of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dream | 11:47 |
| willvdl | MY eyes! It burns! It burnses | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | agghhh | 11:48 |
| jsgotangco | my virgin eyes@! | 11:48 |
| RichEd | listen ... don't look :) | 11:48 |
| willvdl | too late. it's burnt into my eyelids | 11:49 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: what's your skype ID? | 11:50 |
| RichEd | richard.edubuntu | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | Cape Town, Somalia??? | 11:51 |
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| RichEd | Cape Town, Somalia ??? RichED checks outside his window | 12:16 |
| willvdl | Toto, RichEd's not in Kansas anymore | 12:19 |
| RichEd | no UN observers spotted ... can't be somalia | 12:20 |
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| rodarvus | good morning | 12:57 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: pingity! | 03:01 |
| ogra | sbalneav, pongity | 03:03 |
| ogra | did you notice that ubuntu uses dash as default shell ? | 03:03 |
| ogra | no bashisms allowed :/ | 03:04 |
| sbalneav | Dash? | 03:04 |
| sbalneav | No I didn't | 03:04 |
| ogra | so we need to keep the tr pipe ... | 03:04 |
| ogra | sorry | 03:04 |
| sbalneav | Thats ok | 03:05 |
| ogra | another big prob i have here is that we move /tmp around during boot | 03:05 |
| sbalneav | But, I had a better idea for the ldm... | 03:05 |
| ogra | so .delayed-mount gets lost | 03:05 |
| sbalneav | ?! | 03:05 |
| ogra | tmop gets bind mounted into a tmpfs during boot | 03:06 |
| ogra | *tmp | 03:06 |
| ogra | so it becomes rw | 03:06 |
| ogra | .delayed-mount doesnt get copied along ... | 03:06 |
| sbalneav | ah, ok, I didn't try right from a cold powerup | 03:06 |
| ogra | if you plug in before login while ldm is up, all is fine | 03:06 |
| sbalneav | that's what I was testing. | 03:07 |
| ogra | but pre plugged doesnt work ... i'm hunting :) | 03:07 |
| ogra | and cdpinger needs to use .delayed-mount as well | 03:07 |
| ogra | i wonder how evil it woud be to write to /dev | 03:07 |
| ogra | (.delayed-mount i mean) | 03:07 |
| ogra | dev is already a tmpfs in the initramfs and doesn tget moved anymore | 03:08 |
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| ogra | /var/run should also be possible | 03:08 |
| ogra | whats your idea for ldm ? | 03:08 |
| ogra | i have the code we discussed yesterday running here ... works fine | 03:08 |
| sbalneav | about the other, though, we should make an exit script call in ldm. After the fork, we could call something like "post-login-ldm", set up a small script similar to Xsesssion that will go through a post-ldm.d dir, and execute stuff in there. That way, if we come up with more stuff that needs to be done post-login, it's easy to add (just drop script in post-ldm.d) | 03:09 |
| ogra | yup, i thought the same ... but thats a bit much for now ... lets keep it in mind ... | 03:10 |
| ogra | we cant rewrite the whole of ltsp in one chunk :) | 03:10 |
| sbalneav | is it getting too close to freeze to make that change to ldm? | 03:10 |
| ogra | ldm will get a lot of other stuff as well ... | 03:10 |
| ogra | no, but i'm running out of time | 03:11 |
| ogra | we need to get finished | 03:11 |
| ogra | i have 12 sepcs or so ... and only until 7th of sept | 03:11 |
| sbalneav | ok, then lets stick with delayed-mounter, we just need to figure out where to put .delayed-mount | 03:11 |
| ogra | and i work extensively on one | 03:11 |
| sbalneav | Well, I'll of course help with them all :) | 03:11 |
| ogra | sure | 03:11 |
| ogra | but still ... not much time left | 03:12 |
| ogra | i'll do some testing which dir might be appropriate | 03:12 |
| sbalneav | absolutely. So, if pitti approves the lbmount, lets just stick with the bindmount for not. | 03:12 |
| sbalneav | now | 03:12 |
| ogra | yep | 03:12 |
| ogra | if he would approve ltspfs/d, then i could finally move on and add the scripts to the packages :/ | 03:13 |
| ogra | its still not in main ... | 03:13 |
| ogra | i feel a bit stuck currently in that area ... | 03:13 |
| sbalneav | ok. I think all we need to do for floppies (legacy) is a udev rule (ive got one allready), and a simple if [ -f /dev/floppy ] ; then /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry floppy vfat; fi | 03:14 |
| ogra | no | 03:14 |
| ogra | s/vfat/auto/ please | 03:14 |
| ogra | but the rest looks fine ... | 03:14 |
| ogra | what do we do about unmounting ? | 03:15 |
| sbalneav | ltspfsd handles is, remember? :) | 03:15 |
| ogra | the bindmount ? | 03:15 |
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| sbalneav | that will get done during the add_fstab_entry. | 03:16 |
| ogra | the removal of the bind mount :) | 03:16 |
| sbalneav | your cleanup bit | 03:16 |
| ogra | hmm | 03:16 |
| sbalneav | ssh ... && ltspfsmounter cleanup | 03:16 |
| ogra | so the floppy stays on the desktop all the session | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | sure | 03:17 |
| ogra | ah | 03:17 |
| ogra | ok | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | there's no way to check for media with floppies | 03:17 |
| ogra | yes | 03:17 |
| ogra | thast what i meant | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | yeah, what we do on stock is just put it there. | 03:17 |
| sbalneav | worstcase is, they click on it with no drive, and the floppy drive rattles :) | 03:18 |
| ogra | yup, understood | 03:18 |
| sbalneav | simple, elegant, and workable. | 03:18 |
| ogra | well, elegant would be to have feedback from the HW like on cdroms ;) | 03:18 |
| ogra | but its the best we can have :) | 03:18 |
| sbalneav | yeah, but floppies have been broken for media detection for, oh, say 20 years, so I don't think we can solve that one :) | 03:19 |
| sbalneav | we could conceivably have this finished up tonight. | 03:20 |
| ogra | well ... we could invent an extension kit and ship ubuntu special floppy edition CDs with a soldering iron and a little circuit ;) | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | lol | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | I'll get right on it :) | 03:20 |
| ogra | heh | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | what'll be next after this, nbd swap? | 03:20 |
| sbalneav | or the dhcp autoconfig? | 03:21 |
| ogra | dhcp autoconfig is only installer hacking | 03:21 |
| ogra | well, fsvo only :) | 03:21 |
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| ulisse | ciao | 03:21 |
| ogra | tast something i need to build many test CDs for etc | 03:22 |
| ogra | ndb swap i would say ... but i need to see what rodarvus has already, we'll do that at the sprint | 03:22 |
| ulisse | is it possible to have local sound on terminals? I only can play sounds thru the server... | 03:22 |
| sbalneav | sprint's next week? | 03:22 |
| ogra | yes | 03:22 |
| ulisse | with ltsp, I mean... | 03:22 |
| ogra | starting sunday | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | ulisse: what is it you're trying to do? | 03:23 |
| ogra | ulisse, create a lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ | 03:23 |
| ogra | add: | 03:23 |
| ogra | [default] | 03:23 |
| ogra | SOUND=True | 03:23 |
| ogra | then all your clients will use local sound output | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | Oh, I see what he's saying, I was thinking he meant running a local sound app like skype or something/ | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | ulisse: yep, that will work. | 03:24 |
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| ogra | student-control-panel completion is high priority ... i should have that done by end of the month as well | 03:25 |
| rodarvus | ogra, was scp approved at all? | 03:25 |
| rodarvus | (or i'm mixing scp with ltspmanager?) | 03:25 |
| ogra | and i can probably add the ldm-post-session.d thingie afterwards if i have the time to target ltsp-login-and-session-handling | 03:25 |
| sbalneav | ogra: someone else was working on it yesterday, I think. cbx33 i beleive? Anything I can help with that? | 03:25 |
| ogra | rodarvus, no, but that doesnt matter as long as its approved in the end | 03:26 |
| sbalneav | morning rodarvus | 03:26 |
| ulisse | YEAH! It's working! Thanks ogra and sbalneav :) | 03:26 |
| ogra | well, he does the biggest part (dbus integration) atm ... | 03:26 |
| ogra | the other stuff is rather trivial | 03:26 |
| rodarvus | hi sbalneav! | 03:26 |
| ogra | ltsp-manager is something i can work on after freeze ... its in universe and will stay theer for edgy | 03:27 |
| sbalneav | guess my question is: what would YOU like me to start poking on after we get localdevs done? | 03:27 |
| ulisse | I had already tried sthg similar, but with an older/different howto I found at ltsp.sourceforge.net... it didn't work | 03:27 |
| ogra | sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs pick what you like :) | 03:27 |
| sbalneav | rodarvus: how much have you done on pulling across our patches into nbd? | 03:28 |
| ogra | sbalneav, but i think we should rather see that we get you up to speed with packagin ... make you a member and motu so you can package and upload ;) | 03:28 |
| sbalneav | well, that too. | 03:28 |
| sbalneav | :) | 03:28 |
| ogra | :) | 03:28 |
| rodarvus | sbalneav, this was the easy part, mostly done | 03:29 |
| sbalneav | ok, cool | 03:29 |
| rodarvus | I just have to cleanup it, and send upstream | 03:29 |
| rodarvus | well, I propose sbalneav to apply for ubuntu-devel, on next CC meeting | 03:30 |
| rodarvus | ogra and I will surely cheer for you :) | 03:30 |
| ulisse | hmm... other question (I'm quite new to ltsp...): is it possible to access local drives? (hd, cdrom...) | 03:30 |
| sbalneav | ulisse: hehe | 03:30 |
| sbalneav | we're working on is AS WE SPEAK!! :) | 03:30 |
| sbalneav | hang around and watch the exciting development! | 03:31 |
| ulisse | wow! So it is better if I let you work... :) | 03:31 |
| sbalneav | Not for dapper, but it will be in edgy. | 03:31 |
| ulisse | np, I'll wait | 03:31 |
| sbalneav | We promise it will be very sexy :) | 03:31 |
| ogra | rodarvus, he needs to become member first :) | 03:32 |
| rodarvus | right. that too >:-) | 03:33 |
| ogra | (but tat shouldnt be *any* problem :) at least with the EC ) | 03:33 |
| rodarvus | indeed | 03:33 |
| rodarvus | edubuntu-membership automatically gives ubuntu membership, doesn't it? | 03:33 |
| ogra | the meeting after the sprint is an EC one | 03:33 |
| ogra | yep | 03:34 |
| ogra | bah, i got s used to listen to my music from the thin client from a usb disk that it starts to annoy me to develop on the scripts :P | 03:35 |
| ogra | since i need to stop the music all the time :) | 03:35 |
| ogra | i need more hardware ! | 03:35 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I think once we get the .delayed-mount issue sorted, and the quicky bit in for floppies, we're basically done, yes? | 03:35 |
| ogra | yep | 03:36 |
| sbalneav | ogra: want another thin client? I can bring you one in Sept! | 03:36 |
| ogra | i have a bunch here | 03:36 |
| ogra | i just dont want to clutter the new office with tube monitors ... | 03:36 |
| ogra | so i need new LCDs ... but amd currently a bit short on money | 03:37 |
| ogra | (the move costed a lot) | 03:37 |
| sbalneav | ah, you need flatpanels then! I'll see if I can dig you one up. | 03:37 |
| sbalneav | I think I have one I can give you. | 03:37 |
| ogra | thick i can get it in a plane nowadays ? | 03:37 |
| ogra | you know the L in LCD stands for liquid ;) | 03:37 |
| sbalneav | Sure, just check it, not carry on :) | 03:38 |
| ogra | sbalneav, btw, did you test ssh with cipher=none ? | 03:42 |
| sbalneav | heh, did some testing at home | 03:43 |
| ogra | and ? does it speed up as you thought ? | 03:43 |
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| rodarvus | I'm considering buying a LCD in Wiesbaden | 03:44 |
| sbalneav | my rough calculation is... | 03:44 |
| rodarvus | ogra, how much do you pay for a reasonable 19" LCD in Germany? | 03:44 |
| ogra | rodarvus, nice, lets go shopping :) | 03:45 |
| rodarvus | heh :) | 03:45 |
| sbalneav | if we run with cipher = none, at 15 terminals you're only getting 20% more load than by just using gdm | 03:45 |
| ogra | the one i brought to paris costed ~220 | 03:45 |
| sbalneav | so, performance wise I think it'd be good to push for, | 03:45 |
| ogra | it as a special offer at a HW discounter here | 03:45 |
| sbalneav | but, if the ssh maintainer doesn't want to include it by default, at a bare minimum, we should write up a howto on how to patch it, for the adventurous who want the performance. | 03:46 |
| ogra | sbalneav, well, i dounbt we can convince the debian and ubuntu ssh mantainers. ... | 03:46 |
| ogra | but lets try :) | 03:46 |
| sbalneav | I think it would be well worth the effort to at least explain the reasoning. | 03:47 |
| ogra | sure | 03:47 |
| ogra | thats not the point ... i'm sure Kamion will understand it well ... but having the possibility to drop all cipher will be considered harmful by him, i'm pretty sure | 03:48 |
| sbalneav | yeah, but it would be a very deliberate action on the users part. | 03:49 |
| ogra | well, it will be one value to change in an upcoming ldm.conf :) | 03:49 |
| sbalneav | keep all the config files the same so that None wouldn't be recognized. They'd have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server, AND specify ssh -C ...,None on the command line when sshing. | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | not something likely to happen by accident :) | 03:50 |
| ogra | true | 03:50 |
| sbalneav | I mean: you can also do an apt-get install telnetd in ubuntu, also a very deliberate act. :) | 03:51 |
| ogra | rodarvus, thats a cheap discounter you find in nearly every city in germany: http://www.mediaonline.de/shop/category_5000_5000_-3_5000.13012.13014 | 03:52 |
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| rodarvus | LCD monitors are *quite* expensive in Brazil :/ | 03:52 |
| ogra | they start at 180 it seems | 03:53 |
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| rodarvus | 180 would be an excellent price! | 03:53 |
| ogra | sbalneav, right ... lets wait for Kamion ... | 03:53 |
| rodarvus | I'll be right back | 03:54 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: I'll throw an lcd in my luggage. | 03:55 |
| ogra | woah .. | 03:55 |
| ogra | you really dont need to, you know that ! | 03:56 |
| sbalneav | No problem: anything I can do to make your life better. | 03:58 |
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| RichEd | ogra: all set for the sprint ? | 04:00 |
| RichEd | (hi) | 04:00 |
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| ogra | RichEd, not yet ... (i only have to drive 250km) | 04:00 |
| ogra | thats quickly prepared :) | 04:01 |
| sbalneav | In his Porche | 04:01 |
| ogra | i hope so ... | 04:01 |
| sbalneav | Which, so I understand, will bring him :) | 04:01 |
| ogra | the valves are rattling quite evil | 04:01 |
| rodarvus | I wonder whats the distance from Curitiba to Wiesbaden | 04:01 |
| ogra | need to adjust them ... | 04:01 |
| RichEd | well have fun on the autobahn ... rattles and all ! | 04:02 |
| ogra | if i dont find the time tomorrow, i will take the citroen ... | 04:02 |
| rodarvus | ogra, take care on your way to Wiesbaden. | 04:02 |
| ogra | sure :) | 04:02 |
| ogra | its only german motorways ... nothing to fear :) | 04:03 |
| rodarvus | right | 04:04 |
| rodarvus | in Brazil you are not allowed to drive faster than 110 km/h | 04:04 |
| rodarvus | there is only one freeway in the whole country where you can drive a little faster: 120 km/h | 04:04 |
| ogra | heh | 04:05 |
| rodarvus | medium sized trucks: 100 km/h. big trucks, 80 km/h. huge trucks, 60 km/h (and 30 km/h on hills) | 04:06 |
| ogra | in germany you are a hazard with 120 ... you can either line up with the trucks with 100 on the right lane or need to drive faster ... | 04:06 |
| sbalneav | ogra: just looking at the Xnest bug needed for the sabayon bit. If I start Xnest on a terminal, it works fine. So maybe it's just the way sabayon's STARTING the xnest? | 04:06 |
| ogra | sbalneav, thats what i suspected ... but even that might be gone already | 04:07 |
| ogra | i didnt look into it yet and was planning it for post freeze ... its a bugfix, not freeze critical | 04:07 |
| ogra | so it has a bit more time ... | 04:07 |
| ogra | right, works fine here as well | 04:09 |
| sbalneav | Well, that's good. Fix is likely to be easy then. | 04:11 |
| ogra | i dont want to install sabayon now, but i bet it works already :) | 04:11 |
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| sbalneav | ogra: you want 1024x768 or 1280x1024? :) | 04:30 |
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| ogra | i have 1280x1024 already ... | 04:40 |
| ogra | oh, pitti pinged in query | 04:40 |
| ogra | meh | 04:42 |
| ogra | he wont approve ltspfs and ltspfsd before next week ... | 04:42 |
| sbalneav | is he going to audit them? | 04:43 |
| ogra | well, he usually only looks at security bugs etc | 04:44 |
| ogra | and at the packging | 04:44 |
| ogra | i hope he doesnt start auditing the code because he feels like | 04:44 |
| ogra | urgh | 04:49 |
| ogra | indeed he did audit the code ... | 04:49 |
| sbalneav | did he send you an email? | 04:50 |
| ogra | nope | 04:51 |
| ogra | he talks to me in pm | 04:51 |
| ogra | he needs to rush out sapparently | 04:51 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfs | 04:53 |
| ogra | sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfsd | 04:54 |
| ogra | he added comments ... | 04:54 |
| ogra | no biggies on first sight (but dont ask for second :P ) | 04:55 |
| sbalneav | ah, ok, just the sprintf stuff. | 04:56 |
| sbalneav | I can fix that today. | 04:56 |
| ogra | yay | 04:57 |
| ogra | Keybuk promotes them anyway :) | 04:58 |
| ogra | now they are in main :) | 04:58 |
| sbalneav | ah, well, we'll fix pitti's concerns anyway. Good to be nice to pitti. | 04:58 |
| ogra | so i can add all the scripts to the packages .... | 04:58 |
| ogra | right, but its always an un-calculatable value if he's involved ... | 04:59 |
| ogra | you never know what he finds ... | 04:59 |
| ogra | might take you days to get it right :) | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | heh, I'd rather that than a sloppy guy who passes everything. The two thing he flagged are a 1/2 hour's work. I'm heading home in 1/2 hour to take delivery of a mattress, so I'll get to them then. I'll let you know when you can do a cvs pull/repackage. | 05:01 |
| ogra | good | 05:01 |
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| bddebian | Hello | 05:03 |
| sbalneav | Hello bddebian | 05:06 |
| sbalneav | ok, I'm going to start heading home. I'll log in once I get myself oganized. Expect me again in an hour. | 05:07 |
| bddebian | Hi sbalneav | 05:07 |
| sbalneav | see you all in a bit. | 05:07 |
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| ogra | ciao | 05:07 |
| willvdl | ping RichEd | 05:09 |
| lucasvo | what do I need to get localdevices working(dvd)? | 05:16 |
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| ogra | a bit of patience :) | 05:17 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: currently not in edgy? | 05:17 |
| ogra | nope, not yet | 05:19 |
| ogra | the ltspfs packages moved to main about 30min ago | 05:19 |
| ogra | now the scripts need to be added there | 05:19 |
| ogra | and sbalneav has to do some small fixed on the suid wrapper we use | 05:19 |
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| sbalneav | Back again | 06:25 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: wb | 06:28 |
| ogra | sbalneav, .delayed-mounts must move to /var/run ... and we need to create the /tmp/drives/mountpoint dirs for them in delayed_mounter ... working on it | 06:31 |
| sbalneav | Awesome. One supposes /var/run would be the "proper" FHS standard place for them anyway | 06:32 |
| ogra | /var/run is used by udev as well, so we can always be sure thats available at any time | 06:33 |
| ogra | /tmp sadly changes during boot | 06:33 |
| ogra | argh | 06:34 |
| ogra | as fstab does | 06:34 |
| ogra | gah | 06:34 |
| ogra | thats why it doesnt mount ... damned | 06:34 |
| ogra | well ... i guess we need to enhance the format of .delayed-mounts so we can create an fstab entry if its not there yet | 06:35 |
| ogra | this bind mounting stuff to have rw files is hard :/ | 06:36 |
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| sbalneav | He's just marking dead pages in the garbage collector. We all need it from time to time :) | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | absolutely | 06:44 |
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| pygi_ | anybody have some time to test something for me? :) | 07:10 |
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| highvoltage | pygi: depends what :) | 07:11 |
| pygi | highvoltage, "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer | 07:11 |
| highvoltage | how do i do that? | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | i don't have any bandwidth though :/ | 07:12 |
| highvoltage | i'm on gprs :( | 07:12 |
| willvdl | eek | 07:13 |
| pygi | highvoltage, ah, later then :) | 07:13 |
| willvdl | was wondering what you did for bw | 07:13 |
| pygi | thanks for good will tho | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | lol @ good will | 07:14 |
| highvoltage | nice pun | 07:14 |
| jsgotangco | gprs eekkk | 07:18 |
| pygi | highvoltage, just you laugh ^_^ | 07:19 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: it's how i've been connecting from home for almost the last year now :( | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: i'm actually thinking of getting a WBS card | 07:21 |
| jsgotangco | huh? you must have loads of cash to do that | 07:21 |
| willvdl | eeeeeek | 07:21 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: it's cheaper in south africa than the rest of the world | 07:21 |
| jsgotangco | i can imagine considering the state of wired telecoms there | 07:22 |
| pygi | jsgotangco, lots of competition :) | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | it costs between R0.50 and R2 per MB, depending on which package you are | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | divide R by 6 for US$ | 07:22 |
| willvdl | highvoltage: mweb have a _decent_ish offering | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: i'm contemplating that too | 07:22 |
| jsgotangco | is 3G still expensive there? | 07:22 |
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| highvoltage | 3g is the same price as gprs, basically | 07:23 |
| willvdl | it's still vodacom | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: but i have to sign the contract with mweb ;) | 07:23 |
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| highvoltage | you're right though. their offer does look good | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | they say on mweb's website that it's HSDPA | 07:23 |
| jsgotangco | why not get an HSDPA card | 07:23 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: that's the plan :) | 07:24 |
| willvdl | jsgotangco: I have one. it is slightly more expensive but getting HSDPA speed is a myth | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | we use the terms HSDPA/3G fairly interchangably here | 07:24 |
| willvdl | or a female moth | 07:24 |
| highvoltage | heh | 07:24 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 07:24 |
| willvdl | mybroadband.co.za has cool section on getting cards to work on linux | 07:25 |
| jsgotangco | hmm is it just me or is it that planet ubuntu is like a spammer lately >:D | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | how so? | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | i think it sux a bit that people aren't using real hackergotchis :/ | 07:27 |
| pygi | soon you'll see k3b without cdrecord :) | 07:27 |
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| highvoltage | jsgotangco: wow, i see what you mean | 07:29 |
| highvoltage | seems like Ubuntu Demon is taking out his forum-habits on his blog! | 07:29 |
| pygi | highvoltage, http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7821/cdrskink3bxu3.gif | 07:29 |
| pygi | enough bandwith for this? | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | ohhhhh | 07:30 |
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| highvoltage | pygi: can i burn dvd's too with libburn? | 07:31 |
| pygi | highvoltage, no, you can't :'( | 07:31 |
| highvoltage | and is there any limitations on cd-writing? | 07:31 |
| highvoltage | what can't it do at the moment? | 07:31 |
| pygi | yes, there are limitations | 07:32 |
| pygi | no -tao, no multi-session, no dvd support | 07:32 |
| pygi | most notable lackings | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | those aren't biggies for me | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | i can't remember ever writing a multi-session cd on linux before | 07:33 |
| jsgotangco | >:D | 07:33 |
| highvoltage | and i mostly write data cd's, so i always write dao/sao | 07:33 |
| highvoltage | pygi: is there a libburn howto somewhere? | 07:33 |
| pygi | highvoltage, what exactly would you need? | 07:34 |
| highvoltage | pygi: did i tell you before that I once had a signature that said "Solaris said: 'install solaris or better', so I installed GNU/Linux"? | 07:34 |
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| highvoltage | pygi: just to burn plain iso images to CD, nothing fancy. some bootable, but i suppose that happens at the mkisofs level. | 07:35 |
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| pygi | highvoltage, no, you haven't :) | 07:35 |
| pygi | highvoltage, libburn is a library, but I have application for you | 07:35 |
| pygi | http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki | 07:36 |
| pygi | (do a checkout, and run:) | 07:36 |
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| pygi | bootstrap | 07:36 |
| pygi | ./configure | 07:36 |
| pygi | make | 07:36 |
| pygi | (do not use "sudo make install" for now, Makefile.am broken) | 07:36 |
| highvoltage | ok, i'll put it on my download hitlist | 07:36 |
| highvoltage | ok | 07:37 |
| pygi | highvoltage, you have "burniso" binary under test directory | 07:37 |
| pygi | it's very easy to use | 07:37 |
| pygi | ./burniso ~/downloads/ubuntu.iso | 07:37 |
| pygi | that's all you need :) | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | how would i burn cd's from k3b then like you do? | 07:37 |
| highvoltage | i mean, how would i replace cdrecord with it? | 07:38 |
| highvoltage | wow, that is easy :) | 07:38 |
| pygi | ah, to burn cd's from k3b | 07:38 |
| pygi | I need to write tutorial for that :) | 07:38 |
| pygi | highvoltage, let's start :) | 07:40 |
| pygi | once you compile everything, you'll have "cdrskin" binary under "cdrskin" dir | 07:40 |
| pygi | click in menu "Settings" on "Configure K3b..." , "Programs" , "Search Path". In the form enter the complete address of the cdrskin binary. | 07:40 |
| willvdl | pumpkin time. lekker weekend all | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | u2 will | 07:41 |
| pygi | click "Programs"...cdrskin should be default writer app | 07:41 |
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| pygi | highvoltage, you must test whetever cdrecord address of the writer is a valid cdrskin-address of the same device | 07:42 |
| pygi | This can be tested by inserting a *blank* CD-RW into the drive (leaving any other drive empty) and trying to burn a K3b data CD. | 07:42 |
| highvoltage | i think i'll check how big it is and try to download it | 07:43 |
| pygi | if it isn't, I'll help then | 07:43 |
| pygi | highvoltage, not big really | 07:43 |
| pygi | and now, if addresses are good, you can burn | 07:43 |
| pygi | if addresses aren't good, poke me | 07:43 |
| pygi | highvoltage, btw. -tao is needed for burn-on-the-fly without knowing size of cd | 07:44 |
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| highvoltage | aah | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | i rarely brun on the fly | 07:44 |
| highvoltage | *very* rarely :) | 07:45 |
| pygi | good, good ^_^ | 07:45 |
| pygi | highvoltage, I should fix the makefile.am soon, so you should *even* be able to install it | 07:46 |
| pygi | I'll soon also have debian package | 07:46 |
| highvoltage | *g* | 07:47 |
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| pygi | thanks for the help ^_^ | 07:48 |
| pygi | if you find any bugs or you miss something, file a ticket pls | 07:48 |
| highvoltage | Checked out revision 5. | 07:59 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, done ! delayedmounting is working as expected :) | 08:05 |
| sbalneav | Wooters! | 08:05 |
| ogra | so whats missing apart from floppies ? | 08:06 |
| sbalneav | I've just built another edubuntu box, and waiting for updates to download, once they do: sed -i -e "s/dapper/edgy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:06 |
| sbalneav | Thats it, I think | 08:07 |
| ogra | yeah | 08:07 |
| sbalneav | I'm waiting for cvs to come back to fix the ltspfs[d] stuff that pitti remarked on. I'd expect I'll have that done in a couple hours. You want to add the couple lines for floppies? | 08:07 |
| ogra | i cant test them | 08:08 |
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| sbalneav | ok, tell you what: I may have some odd versions of things. Can you tarball me up everything, so I'm running exactly what you've got, and I'll do it right now. | 08:08 |
| ogra | take your time :) | 08:09 |
| ogra | its enough to add the floppy part next week | 08:09 |
| sbalneav | oh, btw, s/.ltspfs-socket/.server-socket/ ? | 08:09 |
| ogra | oh, right, havent done that yet | 08:09 |
| sbalneav | cripes, we'll be talking in python soon | 08:09 |
| sbalneav | :) | 08:09 |
| ogra | yay :) | 08:10 |
| === ogra likes python :) | ||
| sbalneav | for i in bugs: | 08:10 |
| sbalneav | i.fixBug() | 08:10 |
| ogra | i.reject() ? | 08:10 |
| bddebian | i.sitidle() | 08:10 |
| highvoltage | lol | 08:13 |
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| ogra | oh, i forgot, we still need a nautilus patch to suppress the eject menuitem | 08:15 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev.tgz | 09:03 |
| sbalneav | Ooooo | 09:03 |
| sbalneav | yum | 09:03 |
| ogra | including the ldm changes | 09:03 |
| sbalneav | Super!!! | 09:03 |
| ogra | lucasvo, if you like the risk and want to play .... ^^^^ | 09:03 |
| ogra | theer are two subdirs (server/client) containing READMEs with instructions | 09:04 |
| ogra | but i'll likely package all the stuff over the weekend ... | 09:04 |
| ogra | so if you can wait ... its just apt-get then :) | 09:05 |
| ogra | sbalneav, that hasnt te socket namechange yet ... | 09:05 |
| ogra | i'll take a long break now, but will probably fix it later tonight | 09:06 |
| sbalneav | I think you deserve a movie & a beer | 09:06 |
| === sbalneav slides ogra 2 movie tickets and a virtual beer | ||
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| pygi | highvoltage, how's k3b? :) | 09:34 |
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| lucasvo | ogra: I guess I'll wait | 11:31 |
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