[12:29] <ogra> :))
[12:30] <pygi> Backing up itself:
[12:30] <pygi> ... recognized CD-RW ... blanks it ... burns ... verifies ok.
[12:31] <pygi> libburn-on-cdrecord, weeee :)
[12:36] <sbalneav> ogra: I sent off the lbmount to pitti.
[12:36] <sbalneav> here's for you
[12:36] <sbalneav> sent
[12:36] <sbalneav> hopefully, this will address all his concerns!
[12:42] <cbx33> ogra, I am so sorry about before....I just totally mis-read it
[12:42] <cbx33> and I didn't need to implement the message numbers
[12:42] <cbx33> because of the way it is now done
[12:44] <cbx33> using signals and callback handlers
[12:50] <ogra> sbalneav, ltspfsmounter done in python ... i'm working on the cleanup function now ... and add the bits to ldm locally
[12:51] <sbalneav> Dude!
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra, how are we going to start process for execute and detach them from python?
[12:52] <sbalneav> and you'll send me your new bits tonight so I can play play play, right?!?!? :) 
[12:52] <Laser_away> easy boy ;-)
[12:56] <ogra> sbalneav, doing now, not sure if i have the power to go on hacking after the meeting
[12:57] <sbalneav> this a private meeting?
[12:57] <rodarvus> sbalneav, nope, ubuntu developers team weekly meeting
[12:57] <rodarvus> starting in 3 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting
[12:58] <sbalneav> I might pop in for a bit.
[12:58] <ogra> sent
[12:58] <sbalneav> thanks ogra, things are REALLY starting to look good.
[12:59] <mhz> neurogeek: hi there
[12:59] <ogra> yeah
[12:59] <neurogeek> mhz, how is it going??
[12:59] <ogra> now the floppies and we're done :)
[01:00] <cbx33> :)
[01:00] <cbx33> well done guys
[01:00] <ogra> well, the floppy part can still be hairy :)
[01:00] <ogra> oh, and we dont have a queueing solution yet for pre-plugged devices ...
[01:00] <cbx33> I don;t know how you've managed to do that....and put up with me whinging about SCP and dbus
[01:01] <mhz> neurogeek: just passing by a cibercafe ...
[01:01] <mhz> neurogeek: but good thx
[01:02] <cbx33> nn all
[01:02] <neurogeek> mhz glad to hear that.. when are you planning on having inet at home again?
[01:03] <mhz> neurogeek: uuufff, as soon as I can afford to move to an apartment :(
[01:04] <neurogeek> why is that? you have to move out?
[01:04] <mhz> neurogeek: i have even tried to get web access from a neighbours' but distance was to large
[01:05] <neurogeek> mhz, have you tried to build a home-made antenna?
[01:07] <mhz> neurogeek: hmm, not yet, mainly because I should be moving anyways. Actually, I should have moved 2 months ago, at least.
[01:08] <neurogeek> mhz, ok.. good luck then
[01:08] <mhz> hehehe
[01:09] <mhz> neurogeek: thx
[01:09] <mhz> neurogeek: how about you? SMS? other apps?
[01:12] <neurogeek> mhz, well, im working on a lot of stuff right now.. SMS is a pain because of the contracts.. plus im learning french.. jejeje very difficult i have to say..
[01:23] <mhz> neurogeek: indeed, but not so much when you already master at least another lang besides your mother tongue.
[01:24] <mhz> and not as difficult as learning Chineese or Janpaneese, or any alike (Russian even)
[01:24] <mhz> :)
[01:25] <neurogeek> well thats true.. but man.. in spite.. that d**n difficult
[02:00] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:01] <ogra> sbalneav, you got mail :)
[02:01] <sbalneav> Cool
[02:01] <sbalneav> checking
[02:02] <sbalneav> So, was it a good meeting?
[02:02] <ogra> sorry for the broken version ...
[02:02] <ogra> sure :)
[02:02] <ogra> i'm always happy if i survive the thursday meeting ;)
[02:04] <sbalneav> :( Do you sometimes not survive?
[02:05] <ogra> sure i do ... but thats the day where mdz usually asks the hard questions ... :)
[02:08] <sbalneav> ahhhh
[02:08] <sbalneav> :)
[02:14] <ogra> ltspfs /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0
[02:14] <ogra> ltspfs /media/ogra2/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0
[02:14] <ogra> hmm
[02:14] <ogra> intresting
[02:14] <ogra> there is no bind mount at all 
[02:15] <ogra> ohh
[02:16] <ogra> as the user who did the bindmount i see it ...
[02:16] <ogra> if i'm not the user i see it as ltspfs mount :)
[02:16] <ogra> thast transparency ... :P
[02:17] <ogra> but thats very sexy for the cleanup
[02:17] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ cat /proc/mounts |grep ltspfs|grep ogra2|awk '{print $2}'
[02:17] <ogra> /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1
[02:18] <sbalneav> yeah, the bindmount's nice that way
[02:18] <ogra> oh, ah ... its different in the output of mount ...
[02:19] <ogra> mount actually shows the bind mount
[02:19] <ogra> /proc/mounts has it as ltspfs mount
[02:19] <ogra> so we just need to unmount all ltspfs mounts that match $USER from /proc/mounts ... easy :)
[02:29] <sbalneav> yep!
[02:30] <sbalneav> but, we'll need to use the lbmounter on the bind mount one, because it will need su
[02:31] <sbalneav> man!  2:30 am your time!  I hope you sleep in!
[02:51] <ogra> cleanup code done ... 
[02:51] <ogra> i'll mail it to you and go to bed ;)
[02:52] <ogra> i also removed the special cdrom handling ... pitti should solve it
[02:53] <sbalneav> excellent
[02:53] <ogra> sbalneav, i just discovered a horrible thing :/
[02:53] <sbalneav> oh noes!
[02:53] <sbalneav> what?
[02:54] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ls -l /media/|grep ogra
[02:54] <ogra> drwx------ 2 ogra2 ogra2 4096 2006-08-18 02:52 ogra2
[02:54] <ogra> what do you see ? 
[02:54] <sbalneav> um, an ogra2 directory?
[02:55] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ su ogra2
[02:55] <ogra> Password: 
[02:55] <ogra> ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ mkdir /media/ogra2/blupp
[02:57] <ogra> ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ltspfs 192.168.0.250:/tmp/drives/usbdisk-sda1 /media/ogra2/blupp
[02:57] <ogra> xauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/ogra/.Xauthority
[02:57] <ogra> well, i cheated and su'ed ...
[02:58] <ogra> but blupp is mounted ...
[02:58] <ogra> and i see the file contents
[02:58] <ogra> our suid wrapper only needs to create the subdir :/
[02:58] <sbalneav> that's all it does, and the bindmount
[02:59] <ogra> we dont need the bindmount
[02:59] <ogra> thats what i mean 
[02:59] <ogra> the user has full rw permissions ... so i can create subdirs and just use ltspfs directly... 
[02:59] <ogra> as user
[02:59] <sbalneav> well, that makes it simpler! :)
[03:00] <ogra> right
[03:00] <sbalneav> lol
[03:00] <sbalneav> ok
[03:00] <ogra> but we wasted a lot of time for the bind stuff :(
[03:00] <sbalneav> meh
[03:00] <sbalneav> you say wasted time, I say "learned what not to do!"
[03:00] <sbalneav> :)
[03:00] <ogra> heh, ok
[03:00] <sbalneav> hey: whatever gets us a good solution.
[03:01] <sbalneav> ok, I'll hack on that tonight.
[03:01] <sbalneav> anything more to send me before you pass out?
[03:02] <ogra> i'll send you what i have canged in ltspfsmounter
[03:03] <ogra> sent
[03:09] <sbalneav> goin' to bed?
[03:12] <ogra> yep
[03:12] <ogra> now
[03:12] <ogra> its not removing the dirs set on cleanup ...
[03:13] <ogra> but thats trivial ...
[03:15] <sbalneav> I'll play with it tonight.
[03:17] <ogra> night
[03:18] <ogra> oh, btw, thats solves the two cdrom issue as well ...
[03:18] <ogra> (now i'm off ... really !)
[03:20] <sbalneav> you're a str
[03:20] <sbalneav> star
[04:16] <sbalneav> back.  Developing on edubuntu now.
[09:04] <RichEd> greetz
[09:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:06] <RichEd> highvoltage: busy recovering from a machine hang & hard reboot :(
[09:07] <jsgotangco> RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-August/001675.html
[09:07] <RichEd> hi jsgotango ... comment was for you ... autocomplete picked up the voltage part !
[09:07] <jsgotangco> oh!
[09:08] <RichEd> give me a minute or two ... just getting my work back into shape to start my day ...
[09:08] <RichEd> opening your link now & email in a few secs.
[09:08] <highvoltage> RichEd: :(
[09:09] <highvoltage> especially on #ubuntu
[09:10] <RichEd> 'lo ... maybe you should convert to lowvoltage ... especially given the western cape electricity situation
[09:11] <highvoltage> there already is a lowvoltage
[09:13] <RichEd> watt a pity ;)
[09:13] <highvoltage> heh, i nearly didn't get that :)
[09:13] <RichEd> jsgotangco: how is your day looking ? can we shift our time to the top of the next hour ?
[09:14] <RichEd> i'm goping to do some urgent email ... and then try to get skype working
[09:17] <jsgotangco> RichEd: sure but i'll be out in 2 hours from now im going to have a haircut
[09:18] <jsgotangco> and ill be without net access till monday
[09:18] <RichEd> no problem. 42 mins and counting ...
[09:58] <RichEd> 10 mins
[10:02] <jsgotangco> sure sure :)
[10:02] <jsgotangco> ive already sent email reply, purchased something online and tested a webapp being developed for a client :)
[10:03] <jsgotangco> all done while listening to Judas Priest ;)
[10:04] <RichEd> yep ... can't get quaity work like that done to britny !
[10:17] <RichEd> jsgotangco: revising my last email ... then i'm yours
[10:32] <RichEd> ping jsgotangco ... (at last) ...
[10:34] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:11] <jsgotangco> RichEd: thanks for the time
[11:18] <RichEd> jsgotangco: my pleasure
[11:19] <RichEd> greetz willvdl 
[11:19] <RichEd> am going to mail you case study doc format now
[11:20] <RichEd> followed by a high level steps forward project plan ... to you and cbx33 = pete savage
[11:20] <willvdl> greetings
[11:21] <willvdl> the mail from Maning on edubuntu-devel has got me thinking
[11:21] <RichEd> yep ... i want to factor that in ... and corey's response ....
[11:21] <RichEd> and a user mail i got with good priase for home kids use
[11:22] <willvdl> cool.
[11:23] <willvdl> did you get the evaluation I sent you yesterday?
[11:26] <jsgotangco> the email from Maning is a reflection of the overall situation here
[11:26] <willvdl> jsgotangco: I liked your reply
[11:27] <willvdl> I remember highvoltage coming across a wikipedia bundle put together by the red cross childrens' hospital
[11:27] <jsgotangco> an LTSP setup here is quite unknown
[11:27] <jsgotangco> the wikipedia DB is not big, but the images are
[11:28] <jsgotangco> if you merge the data + media it may span to more than 4 DVDs
[11:28] <willvdl> in tuXlabs we got reprimanded because some child stumbled across a hand-drawn karma sutra page
[11:29] <jsgotangco> yeah wikipedia has that
[11:29] <willvdl> Was amusing but serious at the same time
[11:30] <jsgotangco> the wikipedia maybe useful for current events, but wikibooks seems a saner option
[11:30] <willvdl> We packaged an offline snapshot (not the whole thing) and therefore were responsible for the content we provided
[11:31] <RichEd> jsgotangco: skype up & working ... just added you to my contacts
[11:31] <willvdl> The idea of using a snapshot the someone like Red Cross have gone through by hand is quite enticing
[11:31] <RichEd> we'll give it a go on tuesday ... okay ?
[11:31] <jsgotangco> sure thing
[11:31] <RichEd> willvdl: yep got the mail ... goiong through them all now
[11:33] <willvdl> It's a nice read. especially the recommendations if you just want to scan
[11:46] <RichEd> coffee time comedy note ... have you guys heard this ? http://www.spaff.com/poesy/blog.html
[11:47] <RichEd> I BLOG ALONE ~ Parody of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dream
[11:48] <willvdl> MY eyes! It burns! It burnses
[11:48] <jsgotangco> agghhh
[11:48] <jsgotangco> my virgin eyes@!
[11:48] <RichEd> listen ... don't look :)
[11:49] <willvdl> too late. it's burnt into my eyelids
[11:50] <jsgotangco> RichEd: what's your skype ID?
[11:51] <RichEd> richard.edubuntu
[11:51] <jsgotangco> Cape Town, Somalia???
[12:16] <RichEd> Cape Town, Somalia ??? RichED checks outside his window
[12:19] <willvdl> Toto, RichEd's not in Kansas anymore
[12:20] <RichEd> no UN observers spotted ... can't be somalia
[12:57] <rodarvus> good morning
[03:01] <sbalneav> ogra: pingity!
[03:03] <ogra> sbalneav, pongity
[03:03] <ogra> did you notice that ubuntu uses dash as default shell ? 
[03:04] <ogra> no bashisms allowed :/
[03:04] <sbalneav> Dash?
[03:04] <sbalneav> No I didn't
[03:04] <ogra> so we need to keep the tr pipe ... 
[03:04] <ogra> sorry
[03:05] <sbalneav> Thats ok
[03:05] <ogra> another big prob i have here is that we move /tmp around during boot
[03:05] <sbalneav> But, I had a better idea for the ldm...
[03:05] <ogra> so .delayed-mount gets lost 
[03:05] <sbalneav> ?!
[03:06] <ogra> tmop gets bind mounted into a tmpfs during boot
[03:06] <ogra> *tmp
[03:06] <ogra> so it becomes rw
[03:06] <ogra> .delayed-mount doesnt get copied along ...
[03:06] <sbalneav> ah, ok, I didn't try right from a cold powerup
[03:06] <ogra> if you plug in before login while ldm is up, all is fine
[03:07] <sbalneav> that's what I was testing.
[03:07] <ogra> but pre plugged doesnt work ... i'm hunting :)
[03:07] <ogra> and cdpinger needs to use .delayed-mount as well 
[03:07] <ogra> i wonder how evil it woud be to write to /dev
[03:07] <ogra> (.delayed-mount i mean)
[03:08] <ogra> dev is already a tmpfs in the initramfs and doesn tget moved anymore
[03:08] <ogra> /var/run should also be possible
[03:08] <ogra> whats your idea for ldm ? 
[03:08] <ogra> i have the code we discussed yesterday running here ... works fine 
[03:09] <sbalneav> about the other, though, we should make an exit script call in ldm.  After the fork, we could call something like "post-login-ldm", set up a small script similar to Xsesssion that will go through a post-ldm.d dir, and execute stuff in there.  That way, if we come up with more stuff that needs to be done post-login, it's easy to add (just drop script in post-ldm.d)
[03:10] <ogra> yup, i thought the same ... but thats a bit much for now ... lets keep it in mind ...
[03:10] <ogra> we cant rewrite the whole of ltsp in one chunk :)
[03:10] <sbalneav> is it getting too close to freeze to make that change to ldm?
[03:10] <ogra> ldm will get a lot of other stuff as well ...
[03:11] <ogra> no, but i'm running out of time
[03:11] <ogra> we need to get finished
[03:11] <ogra> i have 12 sepcs or so ... and only until 7th of sept
[03:11] <sbalneav> ok, then lets stick with delayed-mounter, we just need to figure out where to put .delayed-mount
[03:11] <ogra> and i work extensively on one 
[03:11] <sbalneav> Well, I'll of course help with them all :)
[03:11] <ogra> sure
[03:12] <ogra> but still ... not much time left
[03:12] <ogra> i'll do some testing which dir might be appropriate
[03:12] <sbalneav> absolutely.  So, if pitti approves the lbmount, lets just stick with the bindmount for not.
[03:12] <sbalneav> now
[03:12] <ogra> yep
[03:13] <ogra> if he would approve ltspfs/d, then i could finally move on and add the scripts to the packages :/
[03:13] <ogra> its still not in main ...
[03:13] <ogra> i feel a bit stuck currently in that area ...
[03:14] <sbalneav> ok.  I think all we need to do for floppies (legacy) is a udev rule (ive got one allready), and a simple if [ -f /dev/floppy ] ; then /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry floppy vfat; fi
[03:14] <ogra> no
[03:14] <ogra> s/vfat/auto/ please
[03:14] <ogra> but the rest looks fine ...
[03:15] <ogra> what do we do about unmounting ? 
[03:15] <sbalneav> ltspfsd handles is, remember? :)
[03:15] <ogra> the bindmount ? 
[03:16] <sbalneav> that will get done during the add_fstab_entry.
[03:16] <ogra> the removal of the bind mount :)
[03:16] <sbalneav> your cleanup bit
[03:16] <ogra> hmm
[03:16] <sbalneav> ssh ... && ltspfsmounter cleanup
[03:17] <ogra> so the floppy stays on the desktop all the session
[03:17] <sbalneav> sure
[03:17] <ogra> ah
[03:17] <ogra> ok
[03:17] <sbalneav> there's no way to check for media with floppies
[03:17] <ogra> yes
[03:17] <ogra> thast what i meant
[03:17] <sbalneav> yeah, what we do on stock is just put it there.
[03:18] <sbalneav> worstcase is, they click on it with no drive, and the floppy drive rattles :)
[03:18] <ogra> yup, understood
[03:18] <sbalneav> simple, elegant, and workable.
[03:18] <ogra> well, elegant would be to have feedback from the HW like on cdroms ;)
[03:18] <ogra> but its the best we can have :)
[03:19] <sbalneav> yeah, but floppies have been broken for media detection for, oh, say 20 years, so I don't think we can solve that one :)
[03:20] <sbalneav> we could conceivably have this finished up tonight.
[03:20] <ogra> well ... we could invent an extension kit and ship ubuntu special floppy edition CDs with a soldering iron and a little circuit ;)
[03:20] <sbalneav> lol
[03:20] <sbalneav> I'll get right on it :)
[03:20] <ogra> heh
[03:20] <sbalneav> what'll be next after this, nbd swap?
[03:21] <sbalneav> or the dhcp autoconfig?
[03:21] <ogra> dhcp autoconfig is only installer hacking 
[03:21] <ogra> well, fsvo only :)
[03:21] <ulisse> ciao
[03:22] <ogra> tast something i need to build many test CDs for etc
[03:22] <ogra> ndb swap i would say ... but i need to see what rodarvus has already, we'll do that at the sprint
[03:22] <ulisse> is it possible to have local sound on terminals? I only can play sounds thru the server...
[03:22] <sbalneav> sprint's next week?
[03:22] <ogra> yes
[03:22] <ulisse> with ltsp, I mean...
[03:23] <ogra> starting sunday
[03:23] <sbalneav> ulisse: what is it you're trying to do?
[03:23] <ogra> ulisse, create a lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
[03:23] <ogra> add:
[03:23] <ogra> [default] 
[03:23] <ogra> SOUND=True
[03:23] <ogra> then all your clients will use local sound output
[03:24] <sbalneav> Oh, I see what he's saying, I was thinking he meant running a local sound app like skype or something/
[03:24] <sbalneav> ulisse: yep, that will work.
[03:25] <ogra> student-control-panel completion is high priority ... i should have that done by end of the month as well
[03:25] <rodarvus> ogra, was scp approved at all?
[03:25] <rodarvus> (or i'm mixing scp with ltspmanager?)
[03:25] <ogra> and i can probably add the ldm-post-session.d thingie afterwards if i have the time to target ltsp-login-and-session-handling
[03:25] <sbalneav> ogra: someone else was working on it yesterday, I think.  cbx33 i beleive?  Anything I can help with that?
[03:26] <ogra> rodarvus, no, but that doesnt matter as long as its approved in the end
[03:26] <sbalneav> morning rodarvus 
[03:26] <ulisse> YEAH! It's working! Thanks ogra and sbalneav :)
[03:26] <ogra> well, he does the biggest part (dbus integration) atm ...
[03:26] <ogra> the other stuff is rather trivial 
[03:26] <rodarvus> hi sbalneav!
[03:27] <ogra> ltsp-manager is something i can work on after freeze ... its in universe and will stay theer for edgy
[03:27] <sbalneav> guess my question is: what would YOU like me to start poking on after we get localdevs done?
[03:27] <ulisse> I had already tried sthg similar, but with an older/different howto I found at ltsp.sourceforge.net... it didn't work
[03:27] <ogra> sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs pick what you like :)
[03:28] <sbalneav> rodarvus: how much have you done on pulling across our patches into nbd?
[03:28] <ogra> sbalneav, but i think we should rather see that we get you up to speed with packagin ... make you a member and motu so you can package and upload ;)
[03:28] <sbalneav> well, that too.
[03:28] <sbalneav> :)
[03:28] <ogra> :)
[03:29] <rodarvus> sbalneav, this was the easy part, mostly done
[03:29] <sbalneav> ok, cool
[03:29] <rodarvus> I just have to cleanup it, and send upstream
[03:30] <rodarvus> well, I propose sbalneav to apply for ubuntu-devel, on next CC meeting
[03:30] <rodarvus> ogra and I will surely cheer for you :)
[03:30] <ulisse> hmm... other question (I'm quite new to ltsp...): is it possible to access local drives? (hd, cdrom...)
[03:30] <sbalneav> ulisse: hehe
[03:30] <sbalneav> we're working on is AS WE SPEAK!! :)
[03:31] <sbalneav> hang around and watch the exciting development!
[03:31] <ulisse> wow! So it is better if I let you work... :)
[03:31] <sbalneav> Not for dapper, but it will be in edgy.
[03:31] <ulisse> np, I'll wait
[03:31] <sbalneav> We promise it will be very sexy :)
[03:32] <ogra> rodarvus, he needs to become member first :)
[03:33] <rodarvus> right. that too >:-)
[03:33] <ogra> (but tat shouldnt be *any* problem :) at least with the EC )
[03:33] <rodarvus> indeed
[03:33] <rodarvus> edubuntu-membership automatically gives ubuntu membership, doesn't it?
[03:33] <ogra> the meeting after the sprint is an EC one
[03:34] <ogra> yep
[03:35] <ogra> bah, i got s used to listen to my music from the thin client from a usb disk that it starts to annoy me to develop on the scripts :P
[03:35] <ogra> since i need to stop the music all the time :)
[03:35] <ogra> i need more hardware !
[03:35] <sbalneav> ogra: I think once we get the .delayed-mount issue sorted, and the quicky bit in for floppies, we're basically done, yes?
[03:36] <ogra> yep
[03:36] <sbalneav> ogra: want another thin client? I can bring you one in Sept!
[03:36] <ogra> i have a bunch here 
[03:36] <ogra> i just dont want to clutter the new office with tube monitors ...
[03:37] <ogra> so i need new LCDs ... but amd currently a bit short on money
[03:37] <ogra> (the move costed a lot)
[03:37] <sbalneav> ah, you need flatpanels then!  I'll see if I can dig you one up.
[03:37] <sbalneav> I think I have one I can give you.
[03:37] <ogra> thick i can get it in a plane nowadays ? 
[03:37] <ogra> you know the L in LCD stands for liquid ;)
[03:38] <sbalneav> Sure, just check it, not carry on :)
[03:42] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, did you test ssh with cipher=none ? 
[03:43] <sbalneav> heh, did some testing at home
[03:43] <ogra> and ? does it speed up as you thought ?
[03:44] <rodarvus> I'm considering buying a LCD in Wiesbaden
[03:44] <sbalneav> my rough calculation is...
[03:44] <rodarvus> ogra, how much do you pay for a reasonable 19" LCD in Germany?
[03:45] <ogra> rodarvus, nice, lets go shopping :)
[03:45] <rodarvus> heh :)
[03:45] <sbalneav> if we run with cipher = none, at 15 terminals you're only getting 20% more load than by just using gdm
[03:45] <ogra> the one i brought to paris costed ~220
[03:45] <sbalneav> so, performance wise I think it'd be good to push for,
[03:45] <ogra> it as a special offer at a HW discounter here
[03:46] <sbalneav> but, if the ssh maintainer doesn't want to include it by default, at a bare minimum, we should write up a howto on how to patch it, for the adventurous who want the performance.
[03:46] <ogra> sbalneav, well, i dounbt we can convince the debian and ubuntu ssh mantainers. ...
[03:46] <ogra> but lets try :)
[03:47] <sbalneav> I think it would be well worth the effort to at least explain the reasoning.
[03:47] <ogra> sure
[03:48] <ogra> thats not the point ... i'm sure Kamion will understand it well ... but having the possibility to drop all cipher will be considered harmful by him, i'm pretty sure
[03:49] <sbalneav> yeah, but it would be a very deliberate action on the users part.
[03:49] <ogra> well, it will be one value to change in an upcoming ldm.conf :)
[03:50] <sbalneav> keep all the config files the same so that None wouldn't be recognized.  They'd have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server, AND specify ssh -C ...,None on the command line when sshing.
[03:50] <sbalneav> not something likely to happen by accident :)
[03:50] <ogra> true 
[03:51] <sbalneav> I mean: you can also do an apt-get install telnetd in ubuntu, also a very deliberate act. :)
[03:52] <ogra> rodarvus, thats a cheap discounter you find in nearly every city in germany: http://www.mediaonline.de/shop/category_5000_5000_-3_5000.13012.13014
[03:52] <rodarvus> LCD monitors are *quite* expensive in Brazil :/
[03:53] <ogra> they start at 180 it seems  
[03:53] <rodarvus> 180 would be an excellent price!
[03:53] <ogra> sbalneav, right ... lets wait for Kamion ... 
[03:54] <rodarvus> I'll be right back
[03:55] <sbalneav> ogra: I'll throw an lcd in my luggage.  
[03:55] <ogra> woah ..
[03:56] <ogra> you really dont need to, you know that !
[03:58] <sbalneav> No problem: anything I can do to make your life better.
[04:00] <RichEd> ogra: all set for the sprint ?
[04:00] <RichEd> (hi)
[04:00] <ogra> RichEd, not yet ... (i only have to drive 250km)
[04:01] <ogra> thats quickly prepared :)
[04:01] <sbalneav> In his Porche
[04:01] <ogra> i hope so ...
[04:01] <sbalneav> Which, so I understand, will bring him :)
[04:01] <ogra> the valves are rattling quite evil
[04:01] <rodarvus> I wonder whats the distance from Curitiba to Wiesbaden
[04:01] <ogra> need to adjust them ...
[04:02] <RichEd> well have fun on the autobahn ... rattles and all !
[04:02] <ogra> if i dont find the time tomorrow, i will take the citroen ...
[04:02] <rodarvus> ogra, take care on your way to Wiesbaden.
[04:02] <ogra> sure :)
[04:03] <ogra> its only german motorways ... nothing to fear :)
[04:04] <rodarvus> right
[04:04] <rodarvus> in Brazil you are not allowed to drive faster than 110 km/h
[04:04] <rodarvus> there is only one freeway in the whole country where you can drive a little faster: 120 km/h
[04:05] <ogra> heh
[04:06] <rodarvus> medium sized trucks: 100 km/h. big trucks, 80 km/h. huge trucks, 60 km/h (and 30 km/h on hills)
[04:06] <ogra> in germany you are a hazard with 120 ... you can either line up with the trucks with 100 on the right lane or need to drive faster ...
[04:06] <sbalneav> ogra: just looking at the Xnest bug needed for the sabayon bit.  If I start Xnest on a terminal, it works fine.  So maybe it's just the way sabayon's STARTING the xnest?
[04:07] <ogra> sbalneav, thats what i suspected ... but even that might be gone already
[04:07] <ogra> i didnt look into it yet and was planning it for post freeze ... its a bugfix, not freeze critical
[04:07] <ogra> so it has a bit more time ...
[04:09] <ogra> right, works fine here as well
[04:11] <sbalneav> Well, that's good.  Fix is likely to be easy then.
[04:11] <ogra> i dont want to install sabayon now, but i bet it works already :)
[04:30] <sbalneav> ogra: you want 1024x768 or 1280x1024? :)
[04:40] <ogra> i have 1280x1024 already ...
[04:40] <ogra> oh, pitti pinged in query
[04:42] <ogra> meh
[04:42] <ogra> he wont approve ltspfs and ltspfsd before next week ...
[04:43] <sbalneav> is he going to audit them?
[04:44] <ogra> well, he usually only looks at security bugs etc
[04:44] <ogra> and at the packging 
[04:44] <ogra> i hope he doesnt start auditing the code because he feels like 
[04:49] <ogra> urgh
[04:49] <ogra> indeed he did audit the code ...
[04:50] <sbalneav> did he send you an email?
[04:51] <ogra> nope
[04:51] <ogra> he talks to me in pm
[04:51] <ogra> he needs to rush out sapparently
[04:53] <ogra> sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfs
[04:54] <ogra> sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfsd
[04:54] <ogra> he added comments ...
[04:55] <ogra> no biggies on first sight (but dont ask for second :P )
[04:56] <sbalneav> ah, ok, just the sprintf stuff. 
[04:56] <sbalneav> I can fix that today.
[04:57] <ogra> yay
[04:58] <ogra> Keybuk promotes them anyway :)
[04:58] <ogra> now they are in main :)
[04:58] <sbalneav> ah, well, we'll fix pitti's concerns anyway.  Good to be nice to pitti.
[04:58] <ogra> so i can add all the scripts to the packages ....
[04:59] <ogra> right, but its always an un-calculatable value if he's involved ...
[04:59] <ogra> you never know what he finds ...
[04:59] <ogra> might take you days to get it right :)
[05:01] <sbalneav> heh, I'd rather that than a sloppy guy who passes everything.  The two thing he flagged are a 1/2 hour's work.  I'm heading home in 1/2 hour to take delivery of a mattress, so I'll get to them then.  I'll let you know when you can do a cvs pull/repackage.
[05:01] <ogra> good
[05:03] <bddebian> Hello
[05:06] <sbalneav> Hello bddebian 
[05:07] <sbalneav> ok, I'm going to start heading home.  I'll log in once I get myself oganized.  Expect me again in an hour.
[05:07] <bddebian> Hi sbalneav
[05:07] <sbalneav> see you all in a bit.
[05:07] <ogra> ciao
[05:09] <willvdl> ping RichEd
[05:16] <lucasvo> what do I need to get localdevices working(dvd)?
[05:17] <ogra> a bit of patience :)
[05:17] <lucasvo> ogra: currently not in edgy?
[05:19] <ogra> nope, not yet
[05:19] <ogra> the ltspfs packages moved to main about 30min ago
[05:19] <ogra> now the scripts need to be added there
[05:19] <ogra> and sbalneav has to do some small fixed on the suid wrapper we use
[06:25] <sbalneav> Back again
[06:28] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wb
[06:31] <ogra> sbalneav, .delayed-mounts must move to /var/run ... and we need to create the /tmp/drives/mountpoint dirs for them in delayed_mounter ... working on it
[06:32] <sbalneav> Awesome.  One supposes /var/run would be the "proper" FHS standard place for them anyway
[06:33] <ogra> /var/run is used by udev as well, so we can always be sure thats available at any time 
[06:33] <ogra>  /tmp sadly changes during boot
[06:34] <ogra> argh
[06:34] <ogra> as fstab does 
[06:34] <ogra> gah
[06:34] <ogra> thats why it doesnt mount ... damned 
[06:35] <ogra> well ...  i guess we need to enhance the format of .delayed-mounts so we can create an fstab entry if its not there yet
[06:36] <ogra> this bind mounting stuff to have rw files is hard :/
[06:43] <sbalneav> He's just marking dead pages in the garbage collector.  We all need it from time to time :)
[06:44] <highvoltage> absolutely
[07:10] <pygi_> anybody have some time to test something for me? :)
[07:11] <highvoltage> pygi: depends what :)
[07:11] <pygi> highvoltage, "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer
[07:12] <highvoltage> how do i do that?
[07:12] <highvoltage> i don't have any bandwidth though :/
[07:12] <highvoltage> i'm on gprs :(
[07:13] <willvdl> eek
[07:13] <pygi> highvoltage, ah, later then :)
[07:13] <willvdl> was wondering what you did for bw
[07:13] <pygi> thanks for good will tho
[07:14] <highvoltage> lol @ good will
[07:14] <highvoltage> nice pun
[07:18] <jsgotangco> gprs eekkk
[07:19] <pygi> highvoltage, just you laugh ^_^
[07:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's how i've been connecting from home for almost the last year now :(
[07:21] <highvoltage> willvdl: i'm actually thinking of getting a WBS card
[07:21] <jsgotangco> huh? you must have loads of cash to do that
[07:21] <willvdl> eeeeeek
[07:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's cheaper in south africa than the rest of the world
[07:22] <jsgotangco> i can imagine considering the state of wired telecoms there
[07:22] <pygi> jsgotangco, lots of competition :)
[07:22] <highvoltage> it costs between R0.50 and R2 per MB, depending on which package you are
[07:22] <highvoltage> divide R by 6 for US$
[07:22] <willvdl> highvoltage: mweb have a _decent_ish offering
[07:22] <highvoltage> willvdl: i'm contemplating that too
[07:22] <jsgotangco> is 3G still expensive there?
[07:23] <highvoltage> 3g is the same price as gprs, basically
[07:23] <willvdl> it's still vodacom
[07:23] <highvoltage> willvdl: but i have to sign the contract with mweb ;)
[07:23] <highvoltage> you're right though. their offer does look good
[07:23] <highvoltage> they say on mweb's website that it's HSDPA
[07:23] <jsgotangco> why not get an HSDPA card
[07:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: that's the plan :)
[07:24] <willvdl> jsgotangco: I have one. it is slightly more expensive but getting HSDPA speed is a myth
[07:24] <highvoltage> we use the terms HSDPA/3G fairly interchangably here
[07:24] <willvdl> or a female moth
[07:24] <highvoltage> heh
[07:24] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:25] <willvdl> mybroadband.co.za has cool section on getting cards to work on linux
[07:25] <jsgotangco> hmm is it just me or is it that planet ubuntu is like a spammer lately >:D
[07:26] <highvoltage> how so?
[07:27] <highvoltage> i think it sux a bit that people aren't using real hackergotchis :/
[07:27] <pygi> soon you'll see k3b without cdrecord :)
[07:29] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: wow, i see what you mean
[07:29] <highvoltage> seems like Ubuntu Demon is taking out his forum-habits on his blog!
[07:29] <pygi> highvoltage, http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7821/cdrskink3bxu3.gif
[07:29] <pygi> enough bandwith for this?
[07:30] <jsgotangco> ohhhhh
[07:31] <highvoltage> pygi: can i burn dvd's too with libburn?
[07:31] <pygi> highvoltage, no, you can't :'(
[07:31] <highvoltage> and is there any limitations on cd-writing?
[07:31] <highvoltage> what can't it do at the moment?
[07:32] <pygi> yes, there are limitations
[07:32] <pygi> no -tao, no multi-session, no dvd support
[07:32] <pygi> most notable lackings
[07:32] <highvoltage> those aren't biggies for me
[07:33] <highvoltage> i can't remember ever writing a multi-session cd on linux before
[07:33] <jsgotangco> >:D
[07:33] <highvoltage> and i mostly write data cd's, so i always write dao/sao
[07:33] <highvoltage> pygi: is there a libburn howto somewhere?
[07:34] <pygi> highvoltage, what exactly would you need?
[07:34] <highvoltage> pygi: did i tell you before that I once had a signature that said "Solaris said: 'install solaris or better', so I installed GNU/Linux"?
[07:35] <highvoltage> pygi: just to burn plain iso images to CD, nothing fancy. some bootable, but i suppose that happens at the mkisofs level.
[07:35] <pygi> highvoltage, no, you haven't :)
[07:35] <pygi> highvoltage, libburn is a library, but I have application for you
[07:36] <pygi> http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki
[07:36] <pygi> (do a checkout, and run:)
[07:36] <pygi> bootstrap
[07:36] <pygi> ./configure
[07:36] <pygi> make
[07:36] <pygi> (do not use "sudo make install" for now, Makefile.am broken)
[07:36] <highvoltage> ok, i'll put it on my download hitlist
[07:37] <highvoltage> ok
[07:37] <pygi> highvoltage, you have "burniso" binary under test directory
[07:37] <pygi> it's very easy to use
[07:37] <pygi> ./burniso ~/downloads/ubuntu.iso
[07:37] <pygi> that's all you need :)
[07:37] <highvoltage> how would i burn cd's from k3b then like you do?
[07:38] <highvoltage> i mean, how would i replace cdrecord with it?
[07:38] <highvoltage> wow, that is easy :)
[07:38] <pygi> ah, to burn cd's from k3b
[07:38] <pygi> I need to write tutorial for that :)
[07:40] <pygi> highvoltage, let's start :)
[07:40] <pygi> once you compile everything, you'll have "cdrskin" binary under "cdrskin" dir
[07:40] <pygi> click in menu "Settings" on "Configure K3b..." , "Programs" , "Search Path". In the form enter the complete address of the cdrskin binary.
[07:41] <willvdl> pumpkin time. lekker weekend all
[07:41] <highvoltage> u2 will	
[07:41] <pygi> click "Programs"...cdrskin should be default writer app
[07:42] <pygi> highvoltage, you must test whetever cdrecord address of the writer is a valid cdrskin-address of the same device
[07:42] <pygi> This can be tested by inserting a *blank* CD-RW into the drive (leaving any other drive empty) and trying to burn a K3b data CD.
[07:43] <highvoltage> i think i'll check how big it is and try to download it
[07:43] <pygi> if it isn't, I'll help then
[07:43] <pygi> highvoltage, not big really
[07:43] <pygi> and now, if addresses are good, you can burn
[07:43] <pygi> if addresses aren't good, poke me
[07:44] <pygi> highvoltage, btw. -tao is needed for burn-on-the-fly without knowing size of cd
[07:44] <highvoltage> aah
[07:44] <highvoltage> i rarely brun on the fly
[07:45] <highvoltage> *very* rarely :)
[07:45] <pygi> good, good ^_^
[07:46] <pygi> highvoltage, I should fix the makefile.am soon, so you should *even* be able to install it
[07:46] <pygi> I'll soon also have debian package
[07:47] <highvoltage> *g*
[07:48] <pygi> thanks for the help ^_^
[07:48] <pygi> if you find any bugs or you miss something, file a ticket pls
[07:59] <highvoltage> Checked out revision 5.
[08:05] <ogra> sbalneav, done ! delayedmounting is working as expected :)
[08:05] <sbalneav> Wooters!
[08:06] <ogra> so whats missing apart from floppies ?
[08:06] <sbalneav> I've just built another edubuntu box, and waiting for updates to download, once they do: sed -i -e "s/dapper/edgy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <sbalneav> Thats it, I think
[08:07] <ogra> yeah
[08:07] <sbalneav> I'm waiting for cvs to come back to fix the ltspfs[d]  stuff that pitti remarked on.  I'd expect I'll have that done in a couple hours.  You want to add the couple lines for floppies?
[08:08] <ogra> i cant test them
[08:08] <sbalneav> ok, tell you what: I may have some odd versions of things.  Can you tarball me up everything, so I'm running exactly what you've got, and I'll do it right now.
[08:09] <ogra> take your time :)
[08:09] <ogra> its enough to add the floppy part next week 
[08:09] <sbalneav> oh, btw, s/.ltspfs-socket/.server-socket/ ?
[08:09] <ogra> oh, right, havent done that yet
[08:09] <sbalneav> cripes, we'll be talking in python soon
[08:09] <sbalneav> :)
[08:10] <ogra> yay :)
[08:10] <sbalneav> for i in bugs:
[08:10] <sbalneav>    i.fixBug()
[08:10] <ogra> i.reject() ?
[08:10] <bddebian> i.sitidle()
[08:13] <highvoltage> lol
[08:15] <ogra> oh, i forgot, we still need a nautilus patch to suppress the eject menuitem
[09:03] <ogra> sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev.tgz
[09:03] <sbalneav> Ooooo
[09:03] <sbalneav> yum
[09:03] <ogra> including the ldm changes
[09:03] <sbalneav> Super!!!
[09:03] <ogra> lucasvo, if you like the risk and want to play .... ^^^^
[09:04] <ogra> theer are two subdirs (server/client) containing READMEs with instructions 
[09:04] <ogra> but i'll likely package all the stuff over the weekend ...
[09:05] <ogra> so if you can wait ... its just apt-get then :)
[09:05] <ogra> sbalneav, that hasnt te socket namechange yet ... 
[09:06] <ogra> i'll take a long break now, but will probably fix it later tonight
[09:06] <sbalneav> I think you deserve a movie & a beer
[09:34] <pygi> highvoltage, how's k3b? :)
[11:31] <lucasvo> ogra: I guess I'll wait