[12:29] :)) [12:30] Backing up itself: [12:30] ... recognized CD-RW ... blanks it ... burns ... verifies ok. [12:31] libburn-on-cdrecord, weeee :) === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-64-222-48-116.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:36] ogra: I sent off the lbmount to pitti. [12:36] here's for you [12:36] sent [12:36] hopefully, this will address all his concerns! === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:42] ogra, I am so sorry about before....I just totally mis-read it [12:42] and I didn't need to implement the message numbers [12:42] because of the way it is now done [12:44] using signals and callback handlers [12:50] sbalneav, ltspfsmounter done in python ... i'm working on the cleanup function now ... and add the bits to ldm locally [12:51] Dude! [12:52] ogra, how are we going to start process for execute and detach them from python? [12:52] and you'll send me your new bits tonight so I can play play play, right?!?!? :) === sbalneav rubs hands in anticipation [12:52] easy boy ;-) === mhz [n=mhz@131-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] sbalneav, doing now, not sure if i have the power to go on hacking after the meeting [12:57] this a private meeting? [12:57] sbalneav, nope, ubuntu developers team weekly meeting === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] starting in 3 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting [12:58] I might pop in for a bit. [12:58] sent === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has joined #edubuntu [12:58] thanks ogra, things are REALLY starting to look good. [12:59] neurogeek: hi there [12:59] yeah [12:59] mhz, how is it going?? [12:59] now the floppies and we're done :) [01:00] :) [01:00] well done guys [01:00] well, the floppy part can still be hairy :) [01:00] oh, and we dont have a queueing solution yet for pre-plugged devices ... [01:00] I don;t know how you've managed to do that....and put up with me whinging about SCP and dbus [01:01] neurogeek: just passing by a cibercafe ... [01:01] neurogeek: but good thx [01:02] nn all [01:02] mhz glad to hear that.. when are you planning on having inet at home again? [01:03] neurogeek: uuufff, as soon as I can afford to move to an apartment :( [01:04] why is that? you have to move out? [01:04] neurogeek: i have even tried to get web access from a neighbours' but distance was to large [01:05] mhz, have you tried to build a home-made antenna? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:07] neurogeek: hmm, not yet, mainly because I should be moving anyways. Actually, I should have moved 2 months ago, at least. [01:08] mhz, ok.. good luck then [01:08] hehehe [01:09] neurogeek: thx [01:09] neurogeek: how about you? SMS? other apps? [01:12] mhz, well, im working on a lot of stuff right now.. SMS is a pain because of the contracts.. plus im learning french.. jejeje very difficult i have to say.. [01:23] neurogeek: indeed, but not so much when you already master at least another lang besides your mother tongue. [01:24] and not as difficult as learning Chineese or Janpaneese, or any alike (Russian even) [01:24] :) === mhz trying to stay optimistic [01:25] well thats true.. but man.. in spite.. that d**n difficult === mhz is now known as mhz_off === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:00] Howdy [02:01] sbalneav, you got mail :) [02:01] Cool [02:01] checking [02:02] So, was it a good meeting? [02:02] sorry for the broken version ... [02:02] sure :) [02:02] i'm always happy if i survive the thursday meeting ;) [02:04] :( Do you sometimes not survive? [02:05] sure i do ... but thats the day where mdz usually asks the hard questions ... :) [02:08] ahhhh [02:08] :) [02:14] ltspfs /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0 [02:14] ltspfs /media/ogra2/usbdisk-sda1 fuse rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=1002,group_id=1002 0 0 [02:14] hmm [02:14] intresting [02:14] there is no bind mount at all [02:15] ohh [02:16] as the user who did the bindmount i see it ... [02:16] if i'm not the user i see it as ltspfs mount :) [02:16] thast transparency ... :P [02:17] but thats very sexy for the cleanup [02:17] ogra@edubuntu:~$ cat /proc/mounts |grep ltspfs|grep ogra2|awk '{print $2}' [02:17] /tmp/.ogra2-ltspfs/usbdisk-sda1 [02:18] yeah, the bindmount's nice that way [02:18] oh, ah ... its different in the output of mount ... [02:19] mount actually shows the bind mount [02:19] /proc/mounts has it as ltspfs mount [02:19] so we just need to unmount all ltspfs mounts that match $USER from /proc/mounts ... easy :) [02:29] yep! [02:30] but, we'll need to use the lbmounter on the bind mount one, because it will need su [02:31] man! 2:30 am your time! I hope you sleep in! [02:51] cleanup code done ... [02:51] i'll mail it to you and go to bed ;) [02:52] i also removed the special cdrom handling ... pitti should solve it [02:53] excellent [02:53] sbalneav, i just discovered a horrible thing :/ [02:53] oh noes! [02:53] what? [02:54] ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ls -l /media/|grep ogra [02:54] drwx------ 2 ogra2 ogra2 4096 2006-08-18 02:52 ogra2 [02:54] what do you see ? [02:54] um, an ogra2 directory? [02:55] ogra@edubuntu:~/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ su ogra2 [02:55] Password: [02:55] ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ mkdir /media/ogra2/blupp [02:57] ogra2@edubuntu:/home/ogra/devel/ltspfs/ltsp-localdev-scott$ ltspfs 192.168.0.250:/tmp/drives/usbdisk-sda1 /media/ogra2/blupp [02:57] xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/ogra/.Xauthority [02:57] well, i cheated and su'ed ... [02:58] but blupp is mounted ... [02:58] and i see the file contents [02:58] our suid wrapper only needs to create the subdir :/ [02:58] that's all it does, and the bindmount [02:59] we dont need the bindmount [02:59] thats what i mean [02:59] the user has full rw permissions ... so i can create subdirs and just use ltspfs directly... [02:59] as user [02:59] well, that makes it simpler! :) [03:00] right [03:00] lol [03:00] ok [03:00] but we wasted a lot of time for the bind stuff :( [03:00] meh [03:00] you say wasted time, I say "learned what not to do!" [03:00] :) [03:00] heh, ok [03:00] hey: whatever gets us a good solution. [03:01] ok, I'll hack on that tonight. [03:01] anything more to send me before you pass out? [03:02] i'll send you what i have canged in ltspfsmounter [03:03] sent [03:09] goin' to bed? [03:12] yep [03:12] now [03:12] its not removing the dirs set on cleanup ... [03:13] but thats trivial ... [03:15] I'll play with it tonight. [03:17] night [03:18] oh, btw, thats solves the two cdrom issue as well ... [03:18] (now i'm off ... really !) [03:20] you're a str [03:20] star === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:16] back. Developing on edubuntu now. === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan_ is now known as Yagisan === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.33.29] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Cornellius [n=Alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === weez- [i=raven@64.22.206.199] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-134-73.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-134-73.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] greetz [09:05] hi [09:06] highvoltage: busy recovering from a machine hang & hard reboot :( [09:07] RichEd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-August/001675.html [09:07] hi jsgotango ... comment was for you ... autocomplete picked up the voltage part ! [09:07] oh! [09:08] give me a minute or two ... just getting my work back into shape to start my day ... [09:08] opening your link now & email in a few secs. [09:08] RichEd: :( === highvoltage gets that a lot :) [09:09] especially on #ubuntu [09:10] 'lo ... maybe you should convert to lowvoltage ... especially given the western cape electricity situation [09:11] there already is a lowvoltage [09:13] watt a pity ;) [09:13] heh, i nearly didn't get that :) [09:13] jsgotangco: how is your day looking ? can we shift our time to the top of the next hour ? [09:14] i'm goping to do some urgent email ... and then try to get skype working [09:17] RichEd: sure but i'll be out in 2 hours from now im going to have a haircut [09:18] and ill be without net access till monday [09:18] no problem. 42 mins and counting ... [09:58] 10 mins [10:02] sure sure :) [10:02] ive already sent email reply, purchased something online and tested a webapp being developed for a client :) [10:03] all done while listening to Judas Priest ;) [10:04] yep ... can't get quaity work like that done to britny ! === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [10:17] jsgotangco: revising my last email ... then i'm yours [10:32] ping jsgotangco ... (at last) ... [10:34] hi === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has left #edubuntu ["Hasta] [11:11] RichEd: thanks for the time === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [11:18] jsgotangco: my pleasure [11:19] greetz willvdl [11:19] am going to mail you case study doc format now [11:20] followed by a high level steps forward project plan ... to you and cbx33 = pete savage [11:20] greetings [11:21] the mail from Maning on edubuntu-devel has got me thinking [11:21] yep ... i want to factor that in ... and corey's response .... [11:21] and a user mail i got with good priase for home kids use [11:22] cool. [11:23] did you get the evaluation I sent you yesterday? [11:26] the email from Maning is a reflection of the overall situation here [11:26] jsgotangco: I liked your reply [11:27] I remember highvoltage coming across a wikipedia bundle put together by the red cross childrens' hospital [11:27] an LTSP setup here is quite unknown [11:27] the wikipedia DB is not big, but the images are [11:28] if you merge the data + media it may span to more than 4 DVDs [11:28] in tuXlabs we got reprimanded because some child stumbled across a hand-drawn karma sutra page [11:29] yeah wikipedia has that [11:29] Was amusing but serious at the same time [11:30] the wikipedia maybe useful for current events, but wikibooks seems a saner option [11:30] We packaged an offline snapshot (not the whole thing) and therefore were responsible for the content we provided [11:31] jsgotangco: skype up & working ... just added you to my contacts [11:31] The idea of using a snapshot the someone like Red Cross have gone through by hand is quite enticing [11:31] we'll give it a go on tuesday ... okay ? [11:31] sure thing [11:31] willvdl: yep got the mail ... goiong through them all now [11:33] It's a nice read. especially the recommendations if you just want to scan === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-203-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [11:46] coffee time comedy note ... have you guys heard this ? http://www.spaff.com/poesy/blog.html [11:47] I BLOG ALONE ~ Parody of Green Day's "Boulevard of Broken Dream [11:48] MY eyes! It burns! It burnses [11:48] agghhh [11:48] my virgin eyes@! [11:48] listen ... don't look :) [11:49] too late. it's burnt into my eyelids === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] RichEd: what's your skype ID? [11:51] richard.edubuntu [11:51] Cape Town, Somalia??? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [12:16] Cape Town, Somalia ??? RichED checks outside his window [12:19] Toto, RichEd's not in Kansas anymore [12:20] no UN observers spotted ... can't be somalia === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-206-58.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:57] good morning === bimberi [n=dave@203.129.56.120] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-193-7.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-232-37.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-232-37.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === hostensia_ [n=hostensi@204.10.226.114] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:01] ogra: pingity! [03:03] sbalneav, pongity [03:03] did you notice that ubuntu uses dash as default shell ? [03:04] no bashisms allowed :/ [03:04] Dash? [03:04] No I didn't [03:04] so we need to keep the tr pipe ... [03:04] sorry [03:05] Thats ok [03:05] another big prob i have here is that we move /tmp around during boot [03:05] But, I had a better idea for the ldm... [03:05] so .delayed-mount gets lost [03:05] ?! [03:06] tmop gets bind mounted into a tmpfs during boot [03:06] *tmp [03:06] so it becomes rw [03:06] .delayed-mount doesnt get copied along ... [03:06] ah, ok, I didn't try right from a cold powerup [03:06] if you plug in before login while ldm is up, all is fine [03:07] that's what I was testing. [03:07] but pre plugged doesnt work ... i'm hunting :) [03:07] and cdpinger needs to use .delayed-mount as well [03:07] i wonder how evil it woud be to write to /dev [03:07] (.delayed-mount i mean) [03:08] dev is already a tmpfs in the initramfs and doesn tget moved anymore === Seveas_ [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:08] /var/run should also be possible [03:08] whats your idea for ldm ? [03:08] i have the code we discussed yesterday running here ... works fine [03:09] about the other, though, we should make an exit script call in ldm. After the fork, we could call something like "post-login-ldm", set up a small script similar to Xsesssion that will go through a post-ldm.d dir, and execute stuff in there. That way, if we come up with more stuff that needs to be done post-login, it's easy to add (just drop script in post-ldm.d) [03:10] yup, i thought the same ... but thats a bit much for now ... lets keep it in mind ... [03:10] we cant rewrite the whole of ltsp in one chunk :) [03:10] is it getting too close to freeze to make that change to ldm? [03:10] ldm will get a lot of other stuff as well ... [03:11] no, but i'm running out of time [03:11] we need to get finished [03:11] i have 12 sepcs or so ... and only until 7th of sept [03:11] ok, then lets stick with delayed-mounter, we just need to figure out where to put .delayed-mount [03:11] and i work extensively on one [03:11] Well, I'll of course help with them all :) [03:11] sure [03:12] but still ... not much time left [03:12] i'll do some testing which dir might be appropriate [03:12] absolutely. So, if pitti approves the lbmount, lets just stick with the bindmount for not. [03:12] now [03:12] yep [03:13] if he would approve ltspfs/d, then i could finally move on and add the scripts to the packages :/ [03:13] its still not in main ... [03:13] i feel a bit stuck currently in that area ... [03:14] ok. I think all we need to do for floppies (legacy) is a udev rule (ive got one allready), and a simple if [ -f /dev/floppy ] ; then /lib/udev/add_fstab_entry floppy vfat; fi [03:14] no [03:14] s/vfat/auto/ please [03:14] but the rest looks fine ... [03:15] what do we do about unmounting ? [03:15] ltspfsd handles is, remember? :) [03:15] the bindmount ? === essemm [n=simon@ESS-p-144-138-200-238.mega.tmns.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:16] that will get done during the add_fstab_entry. [03:16] the removal of the bind mount :) [03:16] your cleanup bit [03:16] hmm [03:16] ssh ... && ltspfsmounter cleanup [03:17] so the floppy stays on the desktop all the session [03:17] sure [03:17] ah [03:17] ok [03:17] there's no way to check for media with floppies [03:17] yes [03:17] thast what i meant [03:17] yeah, what we do on stock is just put it there. [03:18] worstcase is, they click on it with no drive, and the floppy drive rattles :) [03:18] yup, understood [03:18] simple, elegant, and workable. [03:18] well, elegant would be to have feedback from the HW like on cdroms ;) [03:18] but its the best we can have :) [03:19] yeah, but floppies have been broken for media detection for, oh, say 20 years, so I don't think we can solve that one :) [03:20] we could conceivably have this finished up tonight. [03:20] well ... we could invent an extension kit and ship ubuntu special floppy edition CDs with a soldering iron and a little circuit ;) [03:20] lol [03:20] I'll get right on it :) [03:20] heh [03:20] what'll be next after this, nbd swap? [03:21] or the dhcp autoconfig? [03:21] dhcp autoconfig is only installer hacking [03:21] well, fsvo only :) === ulisse [n=ulisse@host151-124.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] ciao [03:22] tast something i need to build many test CDs for etc [03:22] ndb swap i would say ... but i need to see what rodarvus has already, we'll do that at the sprint [03:22] is it possible to have local sound on terminals? I only can play sounds thru the server... [03:22] sprint's next week? [03:22] yes [03:22] with ltsp, I mean... [03:23] starting sunday [03:23] ulisse: what is it you're trying to do? [03:23] ulisse, create a lts.conf file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ [03:23] add: [03:23] [default] [03:23] SOUND=True [03:23] then all your clients will use local sound output [03:24] Oh, I see what he's saying, I was thinking he meant running a local sound app like skype or something/ [03:24] ulisse: yep, that will work. === ulisse tries... [03:25] student-control-panel completion is high priority ... i should have that done by end of the month as well [03:25] ogra, was scp approved at all? [03:25] (or i'm mixing scp with ltspmanager?) [03:25] and i can probably add the ldm-post-session.d thingie afterwards if i have the time to target ltsp-login-and-session-handling [03:25] ogra: someone else was working on it yesterday, I think. cbx33 i beleive? Anything I can help with that? [03:26] rodarvus, no, but that doesnt matter as long as its approved in the end [03:26] morning rodarvus [03:26] YEAH! It's working! Thanks ogra and sbalneav :) [03:26] well, he does the biggest part (dbus integration) atm ... [03:26] the other stuff is rather trivial [03:26] hi sbalneav! [03:27] ltsp-manager is something i can work on after freeze ... its in universe and will stay theer for edgy [03:27] guess my question is: what would YOU like me to start poking on after we get localdevs done? [03:27] I had already tried sthg similar, but with an older/different howto I found at ltsp.sourceforge.net... it didn't work [03:27] sbalneav, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+specs pick what you like :) [03:28] rodarvus: how much have you done on pulling across our patches into nbd? [03:28] sbalneav, but i think we should rather see that we get you up to speed with packagin ... make you a member and motu so you can package and upload ;) [03:28] well, that too. [03:28] :) [03:28] :) [03:29] sbalneav, this was the easy part, mostly done [03:29] ok, cool [03:29] I just have to cleanup it, and send upstream [03:30] well, I propose sbalneav to apply for ubuntu-devel, on next CC meeting [03:30] ogra and I will surely cheer for you :) [03:30] hmm... other question (I'm quite new to ltsp...): is it possible to access local drives? (hd, cdrom...) [03:30] ulisse: hehe [03:30] we're working on is AS WE SPEAK!! :) [03:31] hang around and watch the exciting development! [03:31] wow! So it is better if I let you work... :) [03:31] Not for dapper, but it will be in edgy. [03:31] np, I'll wait [03:31] We promise it will be very sexy :) [03:32] rodarvus, he needs to become member first :) [03:33] right. that too >:-) [03:33] (but tat shouldnt be *any* problem :) at least with the EC ) [03:33] indeed [03:33] edubuntu-membership automatically gives ubuntu membership, doesn't it? [03:33] the meeting after the sprint is an EC one [03:34] yep [03:35] bah, i got s used to listen to my music from the thin client from a usb disk that it starts to annoy me to develop on the scripts :P [03:35] since i need to stop the music all the time :) [03:35] i need more hardware ! [03:35] ogra: I think once we get the .delayed-mount issue sorted, and the quicky bit in for floppies, we're basically done, yes? [03:36] yep [03:36] ogra: want another thin client? I can bring you one in Sept! [03:36] i have a bunch here [03:36] i just dont want to clutter the new office with tube monitors ... [03:37] so i need new LCDs ... but amd currently a bit short on money [03:37] (the move costed a lot) [03:37] ah, you need flatpanels then! I'll see if I can dig you one up. [03:37] I think I have one I can give you. [03:37] thick i can get it in a plane nowadays ? [03:37] you know the L in LCD stands for liquid ;) [03:38] Sure, just check it, not carry on :) [03:42] sbalneav, btw, did you test ssh with cipher=none ? [03:43] heh, did some testing at home [03:43] and ? does it speed up as you thought ? === erroneous [i=lali@86.126.74.229] has joined #edubuntu [03:44] I'm considering buying a LCD in Wiesbaden [03:44] my rough calculation is... [03:44] ogra, how much do you pay for a reasonable 19" LCD in Germany? [03:45] rodarvus, nice, lets go shopping :) [03:45] heh :) [03:45] if we run with cipher = none, at 15 terminals you're only getting 20% more load than by just using gdm [03:45] the one i brought to paris costed ~220 [03:45] so, performance wise I think it'd be good to push for, [03:45] it as a special offer at a HW discounter here [03:46] but, if the ssh maintainer doesn't want to include it by default, at a bare minimum, we should write up a howto on how to patch it, for the adventurous who want the performance. [03:46] sbalneav, well, i dounbt we can convince the debian and ubuntu ssh mantainers. ... [03:46] but lets try :) [03:47] I think it would be well worth the effort to at least explain the reasoning. [03:47] sure [03:48] thats not the point ... i'm sure Kamion will understand it well ... but having the possibility to drop all cipher will be considered harmful by him, i'm pretty sure [03:49] yeah, but it would be a very deliberate action on the users part. [03:49] well, it will be one value to change in an upcoming ldm.conf :) [03:50] keep all the config files the same so that None wouldn't be recognized. They'd have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server, AND specify ssh -C ...,None on the command line when sshing. [03:50] not something likely to happen by accident :) [03:50] true [03:51] I mean: you can also do an apt-get install telnetd in ubuntu, also a very deliberate act. :) [03:52] rodarvus, thats a cheap discounter you find in nearly every city in germany: http://www.mediaonline.de/shop/category_5000_5000_-3_5000.13012.13014 === rodarvus checks === hostensia [n=hostensi@204.10.226.114] has joined #edubuntu [03:52] LCD monitors are *quite* expensive in Brazil :/ [03:53] they start at 180 it seems === essemm [n=simon@ESS-p-144-138-200-238.mega.tmns.net.au] has left #edubuntu [] [03:53] 180 would be an excellent price! [03:53] sbalneav, right ... lets wait for Kamion ... [03:54] I'll be right back === hostensia [n=hostensi@204.10.226.114] has joined #edubuntu [03:55] ogra: I'll throw an lcd in my luggage. [03:55] woah .. [03:56] you really dont need to, you know that ! [03:58] No problem: anything I can do to make your life better. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:00] ogra: all set for the sprint ? [04:00] (hi) === greeN-eYe [i=lali@86.126.74.229] has left #edubuntu [] === RichEd is back later [04:00] RichEd, not yet ... (i only have to drive 250km) [04:01] thats quickly prepared :) [04:01] In his Porche [04:01] i hope so ... [04:01] Which, so I understand, will bring him :) [04:01] the valves are rattling quite evil [04:01] I wonder whats the distance from Curitiba to Wiesbaden [04:01] need to adjust them ... [04:02] well have fun on the autobahn ... rattles and all ! [04:02] if i dont find the time tomorrow, i will take the citroen ... [04:02] ogra, take care on your way to Wiesbaden. [04:02] sure :) [04:03] its only german motorways ... nothing to fear :) [04:04] right [04:04] in Brazil you are not allowed to drive faster than 110 km/h [04:04] there is only one freeway in the whole country where you can drive a little faster: 120 km/h [04:05] heh [04:06] medium sized trucks: 100 km/h. big trucks, 80 km/h. huge trucks, 60 km/h (and 30 km/h on hills) [04:06] in germany you are a hazard with 120 ... you can either line up with the trucks with 100 on the right lane or need to drive faster ... [04:06] ogra: just looking at the Xnest bug needed for the sabayon bit. If I start Xnest on a terminal, it works fine. So maybe it's just the way sabayon's STARTING the xnest? [04:07] sbalneav, thats what i suspected ... but even that might be gone already [04:07] i didnt look into it yet and was planning it for post freeze ... its a bugfix, not freeze critical [04:07] so it has a bit more time ... [04:09] right, works fine here as well [04:11] Well, that's good. Fix is likely to be easy then. [04:11] i dont want to install sabayon now, but i bet it works already :) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === gotama [n=guillerm@61-223-64-106.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:30] ogra: you want 1024x768 or 1280x1024? :) === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu [04:40] i have 1280x1024 already ... [04:40] oh, pitti pinged in query [04:42] meh [04:42] he wont approve ltspfs and ltspfsd before next week ... [04:43] is he going to audit them? [04:44] well, he usually only looks at security bugs etc [04:44] and at the packging [04:44] i hope he doesnt start auditing the code because he feels like [04:49] urgh [04:49] indeed he did audit the code ... [04:50] did he send you an email? [04:51] nope [04:51] he talks to me in pm [04:51] he needs to rush out sapparently === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfs [04:54] sbalneav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLtspfsd [04:54] he added comments ... [04:55] no biggies on first sight (but dont ask for second :P ) [04:56] ah, ok, just the sprintf stuff. [04:56] I can fix that today. [04:57] yay [04:58] Keybuk promotes them anyway :) [04:58] now they are in main :) [04:58] ah, well, we'll fix pitti's concerns anyway. Good to be nice to pitti. [04:58] so i can add all the scripts to the packages .... [04:59] right, but its always an un-calculatable value if he's involved ... [04:59] you never know what he finds ... [04:59] might take you days to get it right :) [05:01] heh, I'd rather that than a sloppy guy who passes everything. The two thing he flagged are a 1/2 hour's work. I'm heading home in 1/2 hour to take delivery of a mattress, so I'll get to them then. I'll let you know when you can do a cvs pull/repackage. [05:01] good === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:03] Hello [05:06] Hello bddebian [05:07] ok, I'm going to start heading home. I'll log in once I get myself oganized. Expect me again in an hour. [05:07] Hi sbalneav [05:07] see you all in a bit. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:07] ciao [05:09] ping RichEd [05:16] what do I need to get localdevices working(dvd)? === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.57.78] has joined #edubuntu [05:17] a bit of patience :) === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [05:17] ogra: currently not in edgy? [05:19] nope, not yet [05:19] the ltspfs packages moved to main about 30min ago [05:19] now the scripts need to be added there [05:19] and sbalneav has to do some small fixed on the suid wrapper we use === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-64-222-48-116.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@88.121.207.97] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:25] Back again [06:28] sbalneav: wb [06:31] sbalneav, .delayed-mounts must move to /var/run ... and we need to create the /tmp/drives/mountpoint dirs for them in delayed_mounter ... working on it [06:32] Awesome. One supposes /var/run would be the "proper" FHS standard place for them anyway [06:33] /var/run is used by udev as well, so we can always be sure thats available at any time [06:33] /tmp sadly changes during boot [06:34] argh [06:34] as fstab does [06:34] gah [06:34] thats why it doesnt mount ... damned [06:35] well ... i guess we need to enhance the format of .delayed-mounts so we can create an fstab entry if its not there yet [06:36] this bind mounting stuff to have rw files is hard :/ === ogra goes for a 30min break ... to clean the brain a bit === highvoltage detects a smoke break :) [06:43] He's just marking dead pages in the garbage collector. We all need it from time to time :) [06:44] absolutely === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.226.28.49] has joined #edubuntu [07:10] anybody have some time to test something for me? :) === pygi_ is now known as pygi [07:11] pygi: depends what :) [07:11] highvoltage, "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer [07:12] how do i do that? [07:12] i don't have any bandwidth though :/ [07:12] i'm on gprs :( [07:13] eek [07:13] highvoltage, ah, later then :) [07:13] was wondering what you did for bw [07:13] thanks for good will tho [07:14] lol @ good will [07:14] nice pun [07:18] gprs eekkk [07:19] highvoltage, just you laugh ^_^ [07:21] jsgotangco: it's how i've been connecting from home for almost the last year now :( [07:21] willvdl: i'm actually thinking of getting a WBS card [07:21] huh? you must have loads of cash to do that [07:21] eeeeeek [07:21] jsgotangco: it's cheaper in south africa than the rest of the world [07:22] i can imagine considering the state of wired telecoms there [07:22] jsgotangco, lots of competition :) [07:22] it costs between R0.50 and R2 per MB, depending on which package you are [07:22] divide R by 6 for US$ [07:22] highvoltage: mweb have a _decent_ish offering [07:22] willvdl: i'm contemplating that too [07:22] is 3G still expensive there? === highvoltage doesn't trust mweb === willvdl nods [07:23] 3g is the same price as gprs, basically [07:23] it's still vodacom [07:23] willvdl: but i have to sign the contract with mweb ;) === willvdl wonders if HSDPA is, in fact, a reality in cape town [07:23] you're right though. their offer does look good [07:23] they say on mweb's website that it's HSDPA [07:23] why not get an HSDPA card [07:24] jsgotangco: that's the plan :) [07:24] jsgotangco: I have one. it is slightly more expensive but getting HSDPA speed is a myth [07:24] we use the terms HSDPA/3G fairly interchangably here [07:24] or a female moth [07:24] heh [07:24] heh [07:25] mybroadband.co.za has cool section on getting cards to work on linux [07:25] hmm is it just me or is it that planet ubuntu is like a spammer lately >:D [07:26] how so? [07:27] i think it sux a bit that people aren't using real hackergotchis :/ [07:27] soon you'll see k3b without cdrecord :) === pygi uploads [07:29] jsgotangco: wow, i see what you mean [07:29] seems like Ubuntu Demon is taking out his forum-habits on his blog! [07:29] highvoltage, http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7821/cdrskink3bxu3.gif [07:29] enough bandwith for this? [07:30] ohhhhh === highvoltage looks [07:31] pygi: can i burn dvd's too with libburn? [07:31] highvoltage, no, you can't :'( [07:31] and is there any limitations on cd-writing? [07:31] what can't it do at the moment? [07:32] yes, there are limitations [07:32] no -tao, no multi-session, no dvd support [07:32] most notable lackings [07:32] those aren't biggies for me [07:33] i can't remember ever writing a multi-session cd on linux before [07:33] >:D [07:33] and i mostly write data cd's, so i always write dao/sao [07:33] pygi: is there a libburn howto somewhere? [07:34] highvoltage, what exactly would you need? [07:34] pygi: did i tell you before that I once had a signature that said "Solaris said: 'install solaris or better', so I installed GNU/Linux"? === Burgundavia [n=corey@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:35] pygi: just to burn plain iso images to CD, nothing fancy. some bootable, but i suppose that happens at the mkisofs level. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [07:35] highvoltage, no, you haven't :) [07:35] highvoltage, libburn is a library, but I have application for you [07:36] http://libburn.pykix.org/wiki [07:36] (do a checkout, and run:) === highvoltage looks [07:36] bootstrap [07:36] ./configure [07:36] make [07:36] (do not use "sudo make install" for now, Makefile.am broken) [07:36] ok, i'll put it on my download hitlist [07:37] ok [07:37] highvoltage, you have "burniso" binary under test directory [07:37] it's very easy to use [07:37] ./burniso ~/downloads/ubuntu.iso [07:37] that's all you need :) [07:37] how would i burn cd's from k3b then like you do? [07:38] i mean, how would i replace cdrecord with it? [07:38] wow, that is easy :) [07:38] ah, to burn cd's from k3b [07:38] I need to write tutorial for that :) [07:40] highvoltage, let's start :) [07:40] once you compile everything, you'll have "cdrskin" binary under "cdrskin" dir [07:40] click in menu "Settings" on "Configure K3b..." , "Programs" , "Search Path". In the form enter the complete address of the cdrskin binary. [07:41] pumpkin time. lekker weekend all [07:41] u2 will [07:41] click "Programs"...cdrskin should be default writer app === Caraibes [n=Caraibes@tdev233-121.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [07:42] highvoltage, you must test whetever cdrecord address of the writer is a valid cdrskin-address of the same device [07:42] This can be tested by inserting a *blank* CD-RW into the drive (leaving any other drive empty) and trying to burn a K3b data CD. [07:43] i think i'll check how big it is and try to download it [07:43] if it isn't, I'll help then [07:43] highvoltage, not big really [07:43] and now, if addresses are good, you can burn [07:43] if addresses aren't good, poke me [07:44] highvoltage, btw. -tao is needed for burn-on-the-fly without knowing size of cd === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [07:44] aah [07:44] i rarely brun on the fly [07:45] *very* rarely :) [07:45] good, good ^_^ [07:46] highvoltage, I should fix the makefile.am soon, so you should *even* be able to install it [07:46] I'll soon also have debian package [07:47] *g* === ulisse [n=ulisse@host151-124.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has left #edubuntu [] [07:48] thanks for the help ^_^ [07:48] if you find any bugs or you miss something, file a ticket pls [07:59] Checked out revision 5. === weez- [i=raven@64.22.206.199] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.57.78] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@83.58.174.221] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@64.222.48.116] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_ [n=th1a@64.222.48.116] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@24.77.59.196] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@88.121.207.97] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp73-82.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-134-73.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:05] sbalneav, done ! delayedmounting is working as expected :) [08:05] Wooters! [08:06] so whats missing apart from floppies ? [08:06] I've just built another edubuntu box, and waiting for updates to download, once they do: sed -i -e "s/dapper/edgy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list [08:07] Thats it, I think [08:07] yeah [08:07] I'm waiting for cvs to come back to fix the ltspfs[d] stuff that pitti remarked on. I'd expect I'll have that done in a couple hours. You want to add the couple lines for floppies? [08:08] i cant test them === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [08:08] ok, tell you what: I may have some odd versions of things. Can you tarball me up everything, so I'm running exactly what you've got, and I'll do it right now. [08:09] take your time :) [08:09] its enough to add the floppy part next week [08:09] oh, btw, s/.ltspfs-socket/.server-socket/ ? [08:09] oh, right, havent done that yet [08:09] cripes, we'll be talking in python soon [08:09] :) [08:10] yay :) === ogra likes python :) [08:10] for i in bugs: [08:10] i.fixBug() [08:10] i.reject() ? [08:10] i.sitidle() [08:13] lol === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [08:15] oh, i forgot, we still need a nautilus patch to suppress the eject menuitem === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] sbalneav, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-localdev.tgz [09:03] Ooooo [09:03] yum [09:03] including the ldm changes [09:03] Super!!! [09:03] lucasvo, if you like the risk and want to play .... ^^^^ [09:04] theer are two subdirs (server/client) containing READMEs with instructions [09:04] but i'll likely package all the stuff over the weekend ... [09:05] so if you can wait ... its just apt-get then :) [09:05] sbalneav, that hasnt te socket namechange yet ... [09:06] i'll take a long break now, but will probably fix it later tonight [09:06] I think you deserve a movie & a beer === sbalneav slides ogra 2 movie tickets and a virtual beer === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-234-152.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] highvoltage, how's k3b? :) === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-206-50.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.57.78] has joined #edubuntu === weez- [i=raven@64.22.206.199] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@24.77.59.196] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@71.194.189.213] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@88.121.207.97] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-64-222-48-116.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:31] ogra: I guess I'll wait === mhz [n=mhz@158-24-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === guest_fcbm [n=fernando@201.29.104.50] has joined #edubuntu === guest_fcbm [n=fernando@201.29.104.50] has left #edubuntu []