[12:30] <Tonio__> hey !!!
[12:30] <Tonio__> I'm just back from hollidays
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: how are you ?
[12:33] <nixternal> wb Tonio_!
[12:33] <Tonio_> hi nixternal
[12:33] <nixternal> have a good holiday?
[12:39] <Tonio_> nixternal: excellent
[12:48] <alleeEdgy32> heh, welcome back Tonio_
[12:48] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: hey !!!!!!
[12:49] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: so now batteries recharged to hack develish on k-d-s :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: not only kds but yes, I feel much better
[12:50] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: I still have to finish leaving my apar
[12:50] <Tonio_> appartment and reinstall everything in my girlfriend's one
[12:50] <Tonio_> might take a week
[12:51] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: but one month (september) is enough to polish edgy, since I'll be full time available
[12:51] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: her flat will not look the same in a week ;)
[12:51] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: probably yes :)
[12:52] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[12:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: good holiday?
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: excellent, good weather, good food...
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at edgy status, looks pretty nice :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> except fonts that are still strange
[12:57] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: what's strange with the fonts?
[12:58] <Riddell> antialiasing is broken
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: aren't you taking vacations too this summer .?
[12:59] <Riddell> only Americans take vacation
[12:59] <Tonio_> I have to fix kicker's size to 48, plus a few other things
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[12:59] <Riddell> I had a couple of days holiday before the paris summit
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not a lot
[01:00] <Tonio_> don't you have a few days with your canonical contract ?
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the status of main inclusion requests ?
[01:00] <Riddell> sure, but my girlfriend doesn't want to take holiday until her current 3 month contract is replaces with a permanant contract
[01:00] <Tonio_> are they still possible ?
[01:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure they're possible, what do you have in mind?
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: in this case it sounds logic you wanna wait
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde ptp ioslave is crappy
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: so digikam is the only good solution for ptp compatible cameras
[01:02] <Riddell> as it happens I made the digikam main inclusion request yesterday :)
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, cool :)
[01:02] <Riddell> although I'd kindae like 0.9 to get into edgy
[01:02] <alleeEdgy32> Riddell: whow!
[01:02] <Riddell> and I'm still not sure what to do with gwenview
[01:02] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32:  are you still the maintainer ?
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[01:02] <alleeEdgy32> Riddell: 0.9 would be really edgy!!!! :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam isn't an image viewer
[01:03] <Tonio_> it doesn't duplicate in my view
[01:03] <Riddell> I'm sure it does view images
[01:03] <alleeEdgy32> Riddell: we'll 0.9 is has still lot's of bugs.
[01:03] <Tonio_> digikam is for managing a collection ig images, but not ideal to view it
[01:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: digikam allows to view images, but that's not very convenient
[01:04] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: your opinion on this ?
[01:04] <alleeEdgy32> Riddell: showfoto is too slow for an imageviewer.  it's more a standalone editor
[01:05] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: digikam itself is not usable as an imageviewer because it expects all pics below a tree
[01:05] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: and digikam doesn't have a kpart does it ?
[01:06] <Tonio_> I need to look at oskar too....
[01:06] <Tonio_> kaffeine sucks now
[01:06] <yuriy> Tonio_, Riddell: yay for digikam by default
[01:06] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: no.   I always and still try to convience Gilles to better integrate it.
[01:07] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: coffeine rules
[01:07] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: coffeine ?????????????? codeine maybe ?
[01:07] <alleeEdgy32> Tonio_: uhm, see I need sleep :(  YOur right of course
[01:08] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: if rules but sounds a bit limited considering xine isn't the future of ubuntu
[01:08] <Tonio_> kaffeine, kmplayer or oskar are gstreamer compatible
[01:09] <alleeEdgy32> s/limited/just does the job/  aka even my young kids and wife can use it
[01:10] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: I agree on that point, but it isn't really maintained....
[01:10] <Tonio_> and honnestly gstreamer support really lacks
[01:11] <alleeEdgy32> upstream changed mind a bit.  But yes.  there will probably never a 2.0 with major new features
[01:12] <alleeEdgy32> a mental note: media support needs testing in digikam 0.8.  Last time I did it I was not really happy and upstream did not change anything since that time
[01:14] <Tonio_> alleeEdgy32: noticed
[01:35] <yuriy> what's with the complaints about kaffeine? 0.8.x is great IMHO
[01:35] <yuriy> i haven't tried oskar though
[01:42] <Riddell> abattoir: poke poke
[01:43] <Riddell> abattoir: time is running out
[02:00] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:01] <Riddell> morning bddebian 
[02:01] <bddebian> Heya Riddell
[02:02] <Riddell> I think I spotted you on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[02:02] <bddebian> moi?
[02:03] <Riddell> number 6
[02:03] <bddebian> Bah, I'd better get to work then :-)
[02:06] <bddebian> Oh and Hobbsee is only 2 behind me..
[02:30] <Riddell> freeflying|away: scim-chewing and pinyin uploaded
[02:30] <freeflying|away> Riddell: thanks
[02:31] <freeflying> Riddell: how about scim-qtimm
[02:31] <Riddell> freeflying: I still need to look at that
[02:33] <bddebian> What is a debiandirs file for?
[02:34] <Riddell> debian/dirs lists directories to create in your package
[02:34] <Riddell> but you have something else?
[02:36] <bddebian> No, not debian/dirs, debian/debiandirs
[02:37] <freeflying> Riddell: whether ddtp on lp sync from debian and feedd back?
[02:37] <Riddell> freeflying: not sure, I'd hope so but I've no idea how debian is doing ddtp
[02:38] <Riddell> infact I don't even know how ubuntu is doing it, is it in rosetta now?
[02:38] <freeflying> it's on rosetta now
[02:38] <Riddell> freeflying: got a URL?
[02:39] <freeflying> https://launchpad.net/products/ddtp-ubuntu
[02:40] <Riddell> that's a lot of translating
[02:42] <freeflying> will rosetta feed back to kde, or when will?
[02:43] <Riddell> freeflying: currently most KDE teams don't take back from rosetta
[02:43] <Riddell> that may improve if rosetta gets easier export, but I don't know
[02:44] <Riddell> if you can traslate directly in KDE, then do so.  or ask the KDE team for you language to use your translations
[02:44] <freeflying> most of our translation can't be share with others, that's the problem
[02:45] <Riddell> why not?
[02:45] <freeflying> how can I submit our translation to kde?
[02:45] <omeow> Can someone please send me a file?
[02:45] <Riddell> omeow: how?
[02:45] <omeow> Just a small text file will do.
[02:45] <freeflying> becuase rostta dosen't feed back to upstream, so it's be ubuntu only
[02:46] <Riddell> freeflying: export the .po files and e-mail the KDE transltors with a URL to them
[02:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: are you planning on something like this in qt ?
[02:46] <Riddell> imbrandon: like which?
[02:46] <imbrandon> app-install
[02:46] <Riddell> we already have one :)
[02:46] <omeow> Riddell, try /dcc man:/ls omeow
[02:47] <omeow> Oh wait, irssi doesn't support kio slaves, does it?
[02:47] <imbrandon> oh , lol
[02:47] <omeow> Or did you switch to konversation?
[02:47] <imbrandon> omeow: no
[02:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'm just wondering about making it easier for the user to enable universe
[02:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh great idea
[02:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: umm whats it called hehe
[02:48] <freeflying> Riddell: how can we get the svn of kde-i18n, many zh_CN translator of kde are inactive now
[02:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: k-menu->Add/Remove Programmes
[02:48] <Riddell> freeflying: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/zh_CN/
[02:48] <imbrandon> hrm i dont see that and afaik i have a default install - adept
[02:49] <imbrandon> is it part of adept ?
[02:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, adept_installer
[02:49] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[02:49] <imbrandon> ahh thats why, adapet is not installable last i checked
[02:51] <imbrandon> i'll try again in a few
[02:52] <omeow> imbrandon, can you please type /dcc man:/ls omeow ? I really need a test file from someone.
[02:52] <omeow> (probably dcc send?)
[02:53] <imbrandon> omeow: i have dcc disabled in my router it wont work here
[02:53] <imbrandon> sorry
[02:53] <omeow> Ok, nevermind I found someone already.
[03:07] <yuriy> imbrandon: adept was not installable a couple days ago, but it's fine for me now...
[03:07] <imbrandon> yea i just tried it again, installed fine
[03:36] <kwwii_> moin
[03:46] <imbrandon> heya kwwii_
[03:46] <imbrandon> you back in action ?
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello kwwii_
[03:54] <kwwii_> imbrandon: not really, still in St. Louis
[03:54] <kwwii_> hi bddebian 
[03:54] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[03:55] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I am going to finish up the kdm theme and the window deco buttons though (so I am working a bit)
[03:58] <imbrandon> hehehe ;)
[03:59] <imbrandon> one sec, hey can you give me a quick run though how to generate the oxy icons  from svn ...
[03:59] <kwwii_> well, take the script from my dir in SVN, put that in the SVG dir and run it
[04:00] <kwwii_> you will need inkscape and imagemagick installed
[04:00] <kwwii_> or, you can take the *java* script and run that
[04:00] <kwwii_> for that you will need batik
[04:00] <imbrandon> in the svn dir?
[04:00] <imbrandon> java , ewww lol
[04:00] <imbrandon> i have the others
[04:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:01] <kwwii_> kde.svn/artwork/Oxygen/Ken/
[04:01] <imbrandon> ok so check that out and run the script from there
[04:01] <imbrandon> cool
[04:01] <kwwii_> run the script in the in Oxygen/theme/svg
[04:01] <imbrandon> k
[04:02] <kwwii_> note that it will erase the files that it creates after it has made the tarball
[04:02] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[04:02] <imbrandon> erases the svg or the png's ?
[04:03] <kwwii_> the pngs
[04:03] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[04:03] <imbrandon> yea 
[04:03] <imbrandon> thats fine i can always untar it
[04:03] <kwwii_> exactly :-)
[04:03] <kwwii_> I end up running it several times a day, so erasing the pngs is kinda nice in that case
[04:03] <imbrandon> i just wanted to try some oxy goodness ;)
[04:03] <kwwii_> :-)
[04:04] <imbrandon> heh one sec, i'll show you my current layout
[04:05] <imbrandon> also was you planning on purpleifying the konq start-up html ?
[04:07] <kwwii_> yes, I am
[04:08] <imbrandon> cool , i was gonna sugest if if not, one sec
[04:08] <kwwii_> being on vacation has put a dent in my output though :p
[04:08] <imbrandon> hehe i bet, yea i wasent complainin , just curious ;)
[04:09] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss4.png
[04:09] <kwwii_> I would also like to modify the help-system artwork, but I am not sure how much time that will take
[04:09] <imbrandon> i still need to replace the k menu icon lol
[04:10] <imbrandon> i can look into what that would entail and let you know if you want, i'm not the best artist but i can do some proof of concept stuff ;)
[04:10] <kwwii_> you are using crystal clear, or?
[04:10] <imbrandon> yea mostly crystal clear with a few other icons randomly mixed in
[04:11] <kwwii_> imbrandon: the help system stuff is mainly a matter of css adjustments
[04:11] <imbrandon> crystal clear go's very well with the purple as you see ( as long as you change out the kmenu icon and the lindows logo's
[04:11] <imbrandon> )
[04:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:12] <kwwii_> true, if we only had svgs from crystal clear it would be great
[04:12] <imbrandon> will everaldo not give them ?
[04:12] <kwwii_> nope (believe me, I have asked)
[04:12] <imbrandon> hehehe
[04:12] <kwwii_> the only reason there are any crystal svgs at all is because he was working for me and I made him release them
[04:12] <imbrandon> are the lic as such that we could use parts as is ? 
[04:13] <imbrandon> heh
[04:13] <kwwii_> not sure, really...I know that it would really piss everaldo off if we did it
[04:13] <kwwii_> they should be released under the GPL (since lots of the icons were made by others)
[04:14] <imbrandon> heh that probably wouldent be good, but something close to it would be nice seeing as edgy wouldent wanna use oxy cuz it would ruin the kde4 "newness" and the purple works well from it
[04:14] <kwwii_> actually, I discussed this with a few lawyers and linpsire already
[04:14] <imbrandon> cool
[04:14] <kwwii_> yeah, that is a very good pint
[04:14] <kwwii_> point
[04:14] <kwwii_> but now that I said pint, I think it is time for one :p
[04:15] <imbrandon> hahaha ;)
[04:15] <imbrandon> one last thing, since no one else wants to give me opinions on my PS handy work
[04:15] <kwwii_> ;-)
[04:15] <imbrandon> take a look at the header on imbrandon.com please, its missing something but i'm not a great artist and dunno quite what
[04:15] <imbrandon> heheh
[04:17] <imbrandon> and no its a plain old psd , no svg, havent quite mastered those yet heh
[04:17] <kwwii_> nifty potato head :-)
[04:18] <imbrandon> hehe yea i'm using that as my gotchi ;)
[04:18] <kwwii_> looks nice to me...I was actually looking at that page to show my wife a picture of you :p
[04:18] <imbrandon> actualy i would like to change that out with a "crystal" man icon like the ones MSN uses
[04:19] <imbrandon> eheh i havent re-uploaded my pictures yet, i will tonight
[04:19] <kwwii_> have you seen the oxygen icon of the sillouette?
[04:19] <imbrandon> i changed hosts a few days ago
[04:19] <kwwii_> amazing to see a billboard
[04:19] <imbrandon> nah i've only seen whats on the previews
[04:19] <imbrandon> ( of oxy )
[04:19] <kwwii_> gotcha
[04:20] <imbrandon> hrm hold on lemme upload atleaste one picture
[04:20] <imbrandon> heh
[04:20] <kwwii_> actually, with konqi you can browse the svg dir and check them out
[04:20] <imbrandon> ahh can you , nice
[04:23] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif
[04:23] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ^^
[04:24] <imbrandon> for later
[04:24] <imbrandon> i'll get my whole photoalbum up later if i have time tonight
[04:35] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: That's you and your family ?
[04:36] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: yea -1 that wasent born yet at the time
[04:36] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah!  Very nice looking family
[04:36] <imbrandon> thanks
[04:36] <imbrandon> theres also a few other pics in the /misc dir
[04:37] <imbrandon> one of my younger daughter now thats born and stuff
[04:37] <Hawkwind> LOL @ the do I need ketchup
[04:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Wow!  Addicted to Mt. Dew are ya
[04:38] <imbrandon> heh arent all programers ?
[04:39] <Hawkwind> Hah, pretty much
[04:39] <Hawkwind> How old are the little ones ?
[04:41] <imbrandon> eric is almost 2 now, autumn is 1
[04:41] <Hawkwind> Very kewl
[04:42] <kwwii_> killer
[04:42] <Hawkwind> http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=9
[04:42] <Hawkwind> Lots of pictures of my family and I there
[04:43] <Hawkwind> Daniel is nearly 8, and Kristofer just turned 4 in May
[04:43] <imbrandon> hehe yea i need to setup an album just been a lazy bum the last 3 days since i changed hosts ;)
[04:43] <Hawkwind> I hear ya.  Who you using as a webhost now ?
[04:44] <imbrandon> dreamhost, imbrandon.com was the last domain i switched to that account
[04:44] <imbrandon> i have about 5 or 8 heh
[04:45] <Hawkwind> I've heard both good and bad about them.  I'm with 1and1.com currently.  They give me 150GB of space, and 1500GB of bandwidth a month for $20
[04:45] <imbrandon> 1and1 is where i just pulled all my domains from 
[04:45] <imbrandon> heh
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Uh oh, how come ?
[04:46] <imbrandon> dreamhost is realy nice if you want more than one ssh account and do more stuff server side , they also give you more bandwidth and space for the same money
[04:46] <imbrandon> plus extras like jaber erver streaming media servers, svn server all included
[04:47] <Hawkwind> Wow!  How much space and bw ?
[04:47] <imbrandon> in the price
[04:47] <Hawkwind> I didn't go with them when I was looking around because I read reports that they limit you on bw usage per day.  I can't have that since I use 20 - 50GB per day
[04:47] <imbrandon> imbrandon.com and buntudot.org are on the same account and they have 60GB HDD space and 2.3TB a month transfer ( each week you stay with them they add more space and bandwith like googles gmail kinda )
[04:48] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: nope , i do many gigs a day on buntudot.org ( there is a full apt-mirror on there )
[04:48] <Hawkwind> Yeah I had read that.  I was wondering if that adding per week thing was really true
[04:48] <imbrandon> yup 
[04:49] <Hawkwind> Woah!  That's a nice looking site
[04:49] <imbrandon> other than 0 phone support ( that i never use anyhow ) dreamhost is fantastic, i tried it with 2 domains for 6 months before i chnged them all over 
[04:50] <imbrandon> what site ?
[04:50] <Hawkwind> I have 5 - 6 sites hosted with my 1and1.com account.  But http://SeerOfSouls.com/ takes up 20 - 40GB per day as it's the largest 3rd party RPM repo for Mandriva
[04:50] <Hawkwind> buntudot.org
[04:50] <imbrandon> ahh yea it needs a little love ;) but its getting there
[04:50] <Hawkwind> Phone support with 1and1 is far from great as well.  Glad I never have to use it
[04:50] <imbrandon> exactly
[04:51] <imbrandon> bw is  (+8 GB / week) and hdd space is   (+0.2 GB / week) 
[04:51] <imbrandon> just looked in the cp
[04:51] <imbrandon> to be exact i have 61.2 GB hdd and 2388 GB transfer
[04:51] <Hawkwind> Wow!  They have their own custom CP like 1and1 or what do they use ?
[04:51] <imbrandon> heh
[04:52] <imbrandon> a custom cp that is MUCH niceer than 1and1's plus ....
[04:52] <imbrandon> they support alot of "one click" installes and auto upgrades to popular software and will add more at your request , like media wiki , moinmoin , wordpress etc etc etc
[04:53] <imbrandon> i mean you can do it the old fasion way too but its nice to have WP installed with one click and when a new version comes out you just click "upgrade wp" hehe
[04:54] <imbrandon> also unlimited mysql db's only limited by your disk spce not 100mb limit like 1and1 ;)
[04:54] <imbrandon> and you make your own db hostnames like db.imbrandon.com etc
[04:54] <imbrandon> great stats and access to the raw logs if you wanna use something else etc
[04:55] <imbrandon> just overall better for the money compared to 1and1 IMHO
[04:55] <Hawkwind> Wow!  So you highly recommend them ?
[04:55] <imbrandon> i've been with them almost ummmm 8 or 9 months now and i have never had any major issues, my site was down one time in the middle of the night and was back up in less than 1 hour
[04:56] <imbrandon> yup
[04:56] <Hawkwind> They have rsync access ?
[04:56] <Hawkwind> Or does it have be done via ssh ?
[04:56] <Hawkwind> You can rsync with 1and1, but it's gotta be done via ssh
[04:57] <imbrandon> never tryed or asked about it, try wiki.dreamhost.com ( good kb )
[04:57] <imbrandon> also there is #dreamhost on freenode its not an "official" channell but employees hang out there ;);) 
[04:58] <Hawkwind> Oh super nice.  I didn't realize that
[04:59] <imbrandon> also its debian 3.1 based too so you have tools like apt-ftparchive etc if you run a repo ;)
[04:59] <imbrandon> thats kinda nice
[04:59] <imbrandon> and seperate ssh accounts if you wanna use it for like bzr , plus each user gets there own /home/username just like a real box even on the same account
[04:59] <Hawkwind> Oh wow!  I've got a repo on SoS for E17 Ubuntu packages.   That would come in super handy
[05:00] <Hawkwind> Hosting different domains....is it like 1and1 does where you create a directory then point the domain name to that directory, or do you have to use htaccess ?
[05:01] <imbrandon> nope you assign each domain to a ssh accoutn and it creates a /home/user/domain.com dir ( that you can remap from the cp later like with one and one )
[05:01] <kwwii_> ok, me goes offline for a while - still no wlan on my ppc :-(
[05:01] <kwwii_> be back later
[05:02] <imbrandon> kk later kwwii_
[05:02] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: you can even map subdirs from the cp like .....
[05:02] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Super nice.  I might think about switching though I'm super happy with 1and1.com 
[05:02] <imbrandon> buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee points to /home/hobbsee/public 
[05:03] <imbrandon> and freeflying and imbrandon etc all the same
[05:03] <imbrandon> but buntudot.org points to /home/buntudot/buntudot.org
[05:03] <imbrandon> so you can give full ssh access to "sub sites" securly
[05:04] <imbrandon> all easy to setup from the cp
[05:04] <Hawkwind> Holy!  I don't think I've ever heard of a host doing that
[05:04] <Hawkwind> You on the Sweet Dreams plan I take it ?
[05:05] <imbrandon> not sure i would have to look, one sec
[05:05] <Hawkwind> Ahhh.  $50 setup fee.  That's a big turn off for me unfortunately
[05:05] <imbrandon> i pay a year at a time so i had no setup
[05:05] <Hawkwind> And it only starts out at 40GB of space which I think I'm right at 38GB already taken up on my 1and1
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, so they do let you pay monthly or quarterly then I assume ?
[05:07] <imbrandon> actualy i have code monster, and its the same price as sweet dreams but more stuff ( special )
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Ah yeah, month-to-month.  I overlooked that
[05:07] <imbrandon> yea they do but there is no setup if you pay by the year
[05:07] <imbrandon> One-Year
[05:07] <imbrandon> Pre-Payment	
[05:07] <imbrandon> 	(NO Setup Fees!)
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Ohhh, yeah I see the Code Monster price is the same.  Hmmm, this is interesting
[05:09] <imbrandon> PHP4 Support  	Yes  	Yes  	Yes  	Yes
[05:09] <Hawkwind> You have a unique IP, or you just use what the package came with ?
[05:09] <imbrandon> PHP5 Support 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Full Unix Shell 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Crontab Access 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Full CGI Access 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Ruby On Rails 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Canned CGI Scripts 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Server Side Includes (SSI) 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> CVS Repository 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> Subversion Repository (SVN) 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes 	Yes
[05:09] <imbrandon> i just use what the package came with but you can get a unique ip easy ( instant from the CP and one for each domain if you want )
[05:09] <imbrandon> and they mask whois data too if you want
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Yeah $4 a month for a unique IP isn't bad at all
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, I just need to find out about rsync access.  I can't live without it
[05:10] <imbrandon> pop in the irc and ask
[05:10] <imbrandon> that would be the quickest ;)
[05:12] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Rsync_Backup
[05:12] <Hawkwind> Hah nice.  It's done via ssh just like 1and1 so that's not a problem
[05:13] <imbrandon> plus if you used ssh keys you could automate it via cron
[05:13] <Hawkwind> I have 35GB of rpms that I host locally here at home after I build them, then I rsync them over to SoS so I have to have that
[05:13] <Hawkwind> Heh yeah.  I do that already on 1and1 :)
[05:13] <imbrandon> yea thats how i do the apt database i build it with falcon localy then falcon rsyncs the mirrors 
[05:13] <Hawkwind> I can't live without rsync and ssh keys.  I'd be a lost soul without them
[05:15] <imbrandon> plus dreamhost takes payapl , thats a plus for me ;) as most of my contractors pay me via paypal so it makes it simple
[05:15] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: If I switch, are you part of the affiliate program or what would I need to do to make sure you that lovely $97 for recommending someone ?
[05:15] <imbrandon> ohh i do? honestly i dident know about it hehehe lemme see what i need to do
[05:15] <imbrandon> lol
[05:16] <imbrandon> where do you see that ?
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh, paypal is a great way to pay.  I get donations to SoS all the time so I have money stashed in paypal
[05:16] <Hawkwind> It's on their main page
[05:16] <imbrandon> exactly ;)
[05:16] <imbrandon> heh ok , lemme look on the cp if there is a code or something i give you, that would be super cool LOL 
[05:16] <Hawkwind> http://dreamhost.com/rewards.html
[05:17] <imbrandon> also i can set you up a buntudot.org/people/~hawkwind if you wanna "try before you buy" as far as ssh etc
[05:17] <imbrandon> but i cant give ya access to my cp LOL
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Heh.  I appreciate the offer.  I've heard good things about them.  It was the reviews online that weren't so good that steered me away unfortunately
[05:20] <imbrandon> hahahaha NICE
[05:20] <imbrandon> i just found out something
[05:20] <Hawkwind> I think I still have about 1 1/2 months left on my paid plan so far.  Not sure if I'd switch then or not but it's looking like a great deal
[05:20] <imbrandon> check this out , want to make a deal ?
[05:20] <imbrandon> Now you can make your own DreamHost promo codes that new customers can use to get a one-time discount while signing up! Anybody who uses YOUR promo code when signing up automatically gets their referrer set as you (above all else).
[05:20] <imbrandon> The only downside is whatever discount you give them comes out of your $97
[05:21] <imbrandon> sweet huh ? i never knew about these referals ;)
[05:21] <Hawkwind> Woah!!!  That is awesome
[05:21] <imbrandon> so i could give you the 50$ signup off ( effectively ) and still make 40$ 
[05:21] <imbrandon> heh
[05:21] <imbrandon> now thats IS sweet
[05:22] <Hawkwind> Hah!  Yeah that is super kewl.  Never known a host to do that either
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh hold on i'll make a $50 off promo code for ya
[05:23] <imbrandon> btw if your transfering the domain from 1and1 give it about a week before your 1and1 is up so it makes a smooth transition and you dont loose mail / traffic 
[05:23] <Hawkwind> Heh.  No need yet.  Wait til I am closer to transferring.  Not sure if it would expire or anything
[05:24] <imbrandon> nope they dont expire
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Yeah.  All my DNS stuff is done outside of 1and1.   I've used domainordering.com for about 7 years now and they handle all that stuff for me.  
[05:24] <imbrandon> but sure, just hit me up , i'll hook ya up since you told me about the promo hehe
[05:24] <Hawkwind> I even get to renew domains for $4 a year since I've been with them for so long
[05:24] <imbrandon> nice
[05:24] <kwwii_> re
[05:24] <imbrandon> wb
[05:24] <Hawkwind> Hey there kwwii_
[05:25] <kwwii_> being offline is like living in the stoneage
[05:25] <imbrandon> more mt dew time
[05:25] <imbrandon> hahahahahaha
[05:25] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeah I'll definitely hit you up.  I like the whole adding space/bandwidth thing.  Plus they seem to offer quite a bit of the 'regular/normal' stuff that 1and1 doesn't
[05:25] <kwwii_> Hawkwind: sorry, but I like lemmy in motrhead better :-)
[05:25] <Hawkwind> kwwii_: Glad my nick doesn't come from the rock band :P
[05:25] <kwwii_> heheh
[05:26] <Hawkwind> kwwii_: It comes from a character in the Ultima RPG series.  He made his first appearance in Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
[05:27] <kwwii_> I would never have guessed that
[05:27] <kwwii_> good one, though
[05:27] <imbrandon> omg Ultima !!!?!!
[05:27] <imbrandon> heh
[05:27] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeppers.  Hence the name, SeerOfSouls :P
[05:27] <imbrandon> i spent the best years of my teens coding a UO emulator ;)
[05:27] <Hawkwind> His actual name was Hawkwind, the Seer Of Souls
[05:27] <Hawkwind> Heh
[05:27] <imbrandon> hell i still code on it once in a while
[05:28] <Hawkwind> kwwii_: So you've played Ultima before I assume ?
[05:29] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I play Ultima IV every day in Kubuntu :P
[05:29] <imbrandon> heh
[05:29] <Hawkwind> Kubuntu is one of very very few distros that don't actually package it unfortunately
[05:30] <imbrandon> pint me to a upstream source , i'll package it up, we are looking to add games to univsere anyhow
[05:30] <imbrandon> s/pint/point
[05:30] <Hawkwind> u4.sourceforge.net is the project page
[05:30] <imbrandon> k
[05:31] <imbrandon> ever play UO ?
[05:31] <Hawkwind> Make sure you look into getting the upgraded graphics into it as well
[05:31] <imbrandon> UO == Ultima Online
[05:31] <imbrandon> k
[05:31] <Hawkwind> I played the first one, but by that time I was out of gaming really and was on a slow connection so I didn't enjoy it
[05:32] <Hawkwind> I discovered IRC and games went away
[05:32] <Hawkwind> Heh
[05:32] <imbrandon> heh never connected to the "free shards" ? heh i helped create the software that makes those possible
[05:32] <Hawkwind> As did real life, and just about everything else :P
[05:32] <bddebian> heh, amen to that :-)
[05:32] <Hawkwind> Never connected to the free shards, but I've surely heard the name a bajillion times
[05:33] <Hawkwind> bddebian: Heh.  It's amazing what IRC can do to you
[05:33] <kwwii_> Hawkwind: I do not play games at all, so no...I have no idea what you are talking about ;-)
[05:33] <imbrandon> i created Fuse and uogame.dll ( windows only mfc c++ ) , helped rewrite it to make UOX3 ( c++ linux/windows ), then when c# hit in 01 we redid it again and made the RunUO server that rivals the load of the offical shards
[05:34] <kwwii_> but I was at my brothers house (45 years old, boring, rich, etc.) and I discovered he spends like 4+ hours a day playing WoW
[05:34] <imbrandon> ( also runs on mono , thus why i was a mono hacker mainly back in the day to get RunUO working on it )
[05:34] <imbrandon> kwwii_: LOL
[05:36] <imbrandon> but both the legacy projects Fuse and UOX3 ( Ultima Offiline eXperiment ) are both developed just new maintainers , i still code on RunUO every now and then
[05:36] <imbrandon> RunUO is the only one that can handle thousands of concurrent connections though like the true OSI servers
[05:37] <imbrandon> heh man that was a flashback from 1996 ( when i started the UO emu stuff )
[05:37] <imbrandon> lol
[05:39] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:39] <imbrandon> anyhow Hawkwind if you want to give it a try the client is free as in beer now ( check gamespot or somesuch for the download ) works perfect in wine , then you just grab a 200k "patcheer" called uogateway from you guessed it uogateway.com that allows the client to connect to "free shards" ;)
[05:39] <Hawkwind> There is no better game than Ultima.  Especially U IV
[05:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:39] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Kewl.  I'll have to check it out sometime soon
[05:40] <imbrandon> the emulation software is only if you wanna run your own shard 
[05:40] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, anyone here a member of the Kubuntu documentation team(if there is such thing) ?
[05:40] <imbrandon> nixternal: is ( and its just the ubuntu doc team , all the same )
[05:41] <Hawkwind> Ah ok.  I want to get involved in a team some how/some where.  I really don't feel like packaging as I do plenty of that for Mandriva since SoS gets 2+ million hits a month and keeps me busy enough with packaging
[05:41] <Hawkwind> So I was thinking/wondering about getting involved with the docs team possibly
[05:42] <imbrandon> pop in -doc
[05:42] <imbrandon> they are always arround, mkde is the person to hit up most likely
[05:42] <imbrandon> tell him i said to poe him about it, if not he will know whom to get you in touch with
[05:42] <imbrandon> poke*
[05:43] <imbrandon> hrm ok enough chatter LOL time to grab oxygen goodness from svn ;)
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Let me know if/when you get u4 built into a deb.  I'd love to be the first to test it for ya
[05:44] <Hawkwind> I run it here compiled from source of course.  But I'd love to have a native deb install
[05:44] <imbrandon> kk lemme start this svn checkout then i'll grab it, is it built with autotools ?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> I believe it is.  Not sure to be honest
[05:45] <imbrandon> k no biggie i'll look in a min
[05:46] <imbrandon> basicly ./configure mamek make install
[05:46] <imbrandon> make*
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Yeah I think so.  I've slept since I installed it but it seems like it's the standard configure/make/make install
[05:46] <Hawkwind> It's hell to get old :P
[05:47] <imbrandon> heh i just noticed one other thing about the referals that kinda sucks but is no biggie
[05:47] <imbrandon> Rewards are paid out once the referred account has passed its 97 day "pending" period.
[05:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:47] <imbrandon> 97 dollars after 97 days ;)
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Yeah.  I saw that too.  1and1 gives you $65 and it takes about 45 - 50 days after the referral has signed up 
[06:24] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: 404  http://u4.sourceforge.net/
[06:26] <Hawkwind> http://xu4.sourceforge.net
[06:26] <Hawkwind> I always forget the x :P
[06:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:37] <imbrandon> kwwii_: w00t guess what i just did with my ibook lol i dident think vnc was possible INTO osx
[06:37] <imbrandon> but i guess it is
[06:37] <imbrandon> heh
[06:37] <kwwii_> imbrandon: sure, osx has it built in
[06:37] <imbrandon> err it does? i ran osxvnc
[06:37] <imbrandon> 10.4 ?
[06:38] <kwwii_> actually, it has the apple stuff built in, but as you mentioned, it works great with OSS stuff
[06:38] <kwwii_> download the binary and go
[06:39] <kwwii_> I actually used to work on my mac at work from my linux box at home 5-6 years ago
[06:39] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss5.png yea see
[06:39] <imbrandon> heh
[06:39] <imbrandon> i JUST figured it out lol
[06:39] <imbrandon> i dident think it was possily except for the X stuff on osx
[06:39] <kwwii_> :-)
[06:39] <imbrandon> not the aqua gui
[06:40] <kwwii_> just pay your at&t bill, I think they are the ones who made that stuff originally
[06:40] <imbrandon> yea hehe the uk at&t research team
[06:41] <imbrandon> now defunct 
[06:41] <imbrandon> but the orig creators of vnc
[06:41] <kwwii_> my whole family either now works or has retired from at&t
[06:41] <imbrandon> nice
[06:41] <kwwii_> well, 5 people, not the whole family
[06:42] <imbrandon> heh it even says if you turn on fast user switching each user can have their own vnc connection
[06:42] <kwwii_> my dad was actually the head of bell labs for a while
[06:42] <imbrandon> sweet
[06:42] <imbrandon> ever get to play with their new stuff back then ? hehe
[06:43] <imbrandon> man this is so nice i can use my PS without wine now ;) heh
[06:44] <imbrandon> or being on the laptop ;)
[06:44] <kwwii_> actually, yes...my dad brought home terminals (we had to unplug the washer to plug it in) and my brothers would log in and play chess (when I was like 4-5)
[06:44] <imbrandon> if ps had svg support i would be in heaven
[06:44] <imbrandon> hahahahah very cool
[06:44] <kwwii_> well, illustrator does have svg support
[06:45] <imbrandon> creation too not just a export ?
[06:45] <kwwii_> yepp
[06:45] <kwwii_> it can use it natively (read and write)
[06:45] <imbrandon> whoa, hrm i might have to play with that if i can find a torrent^Werr find a copy to buy  
[06:46] <kwwii_> hehe
[06:46] <imbrandon> cool netsplit, always seems like its brown that netsplits
[06:47] <kwwii_> hehe
[06:47] <kwwii_> I am using my dads wlan and it is totally freaky
[06:47] <kwwii_> lots of ports are closed
[06:47] <imbrandon> heh
[06:47] <imbrandon> upnp 
[06:48] <kwwii_> and his laptop has a pcmcia card which if uses although it has one built in
[06:48] <imbrandon> heh
[06:48] <imbrandon> thats gotta be fun
[06:48] <imbrandon> he use a *nix OS ?
[06:49] <kwwii_> asked my brother about that, he said "yeah, I bought it with the router in a set and by the time I finally got it working and figured out that it had one built in I gave up and left it as-is"
[06:49] <imbrandon> i finaly got my mom off XP to kubuntu the other day
[06:49] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:50] <imbrandon> man i wanna get a mbp sooo bad, heh
[06:50] <imbrandon> i just dont have 2k to spend on one
[06:50] <imbrandon> hell i dont have 200$ right now lol
[06:50] <insanekane> mbp ?
[06:51] <imbrandon> mac book pro
[06:51] <insanekane> right
[06:52] <kwwii_> hehe, I had money, and bought a camera, and after 4 weeks and my third day on vacation my son dropped it
[06:52] <imbrandon> i had to replace the power adapter on my lappy the other day , the orig one from apple i had to fiddle with to much for it to actualy charge 
[06:52] <imbrandon> OUCH
[06:52] <imbrandon> heh
[06:52] <kwwii_> I was kinda pissed
[06:52] <kwwii_> but he is only 8
[06:52] <imbrandon> i bet, but yea 8 is kinda young, in that inbetween stage
[06:53] <kwwii_> and he told me he did it as soon as I found it did not work any more
[06:53] <imbrandon> heh well thats cool at leaste
[06:54] <kwwii_> me: "what the shit? my camera does not work!" him: "maybe it broke when I dropped it when I got it out of the car"
[06:54] <imbrandon> hahaha , sorry i konw it sucks but thats funny
[06:54] <imbrandon> heh
[06:55] <kwwii_> I am over it now, and looking for a new one already :p
[06:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:56] <imbrandon> actualy i dunno if my next toy will be a mbp or a telescope with a ccd i can hoot to the pc and control from inside the house
[06:56] <imbrandon> while its on the roof or some such
[06:56] <imbrandon> hook*
[06:56] <kwwii_> hehe
[06:56] <kwwii_> that would be killer
[06:56] <imbrandon> i've always wanted one of those
[06:57] <imbrandon> bet it would be cool to do some time laps with it
[06:57] <imbrandon> tim lapse pictures
[06:58] <imbrandon> gawd i cant type tonight more than normal
[06:59] <imbrandon> heh if vnc would send the sound events i could play my itunes , that would rock
[06:59] <imbrandon> heh
[06:59] <kwwii_> no shit
[07:00] <kwwii_> then again, with enough osx machines it works great :-)
[07:00] <imbrandon> hehe yea
[07:00] <imbrandon> thats the only two native apps i miss in linux, itunes and PS
[07:00] <imbrandon> i can run both in wine but its not the same
[07:01] <imbrandon> plus wine == oss == crappy sound
[07:03] <imbrandon> wb mdz
[07:04] <insanekane> hi ... are there any fresh attempts at porting Yast2 to Debian/Kubuntu ?
[07:04] <imbrandon> insanekane: not any fresh ones, not may debian ppl come from the suse world like those present atm
[07:04] <imbrandon> i would like to see sax2 personaly , just havent found the time
[07:04] <imbrandon> to mess with it
[07:05] <insanekane> sax2 is for X configuration ?
[07:05] <imbrandon> yea
[07:05] <kwwii_> dude, yast2, or you crazy?
[07:05] <kwwii_> s/or/are
[07:05] <imbrandon> alot better than debconf at xorg stuff
[07:05] <kwwii_> sax2 rocks
[07:05] <kwwii_> talk to markus
[07:05] <insanekane> kwwii_: yast2 ... i am not crazy
[07:05] <kwwii_> it runs on its own
[07:05] <imbrandon> markus ?
[07:05] <kwwii_> the author
[07:05] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[07:05] <kwwii_> of sax2
[07:06] <kwwii_> I know him from working with him for 7 years
[07:06] <imbrandon> nice yea i will someday soon , i would realy like to see that as an option if not the default in *buntu
[07:06] <insanekane> kwwii_: you work at suse ?
[07:06] <imbrandon> insanekane: he did for a long time
[07:06] <imbrandon> now canonical ;)
[07:06] <insanekane> heh
[07:06] <kwwii_> insanekane: currently working on kubuntu artwork, but I did, yes
[07:07] <insanekane> cool :)
[07:07] <imbrandon> insanekane: since he probably wont toot his own horn i'll do it for him, he did MOST of the artwork you see related to suse from what 98 on ?
[07:07] <insanekane> oh cool
[07:08] <kwwii_> imbrandon: yepp, that is accurate
[07:08] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:08] <insanekane> kwwii_: i'm sure you are a great asset for the Kubuntu team :)
[07:08] <yuriy> kwwii_: what do you use for artwork?
[07:08] <kwwii_> I hope so
[07:08] <kwwii_> yuriy: in the meantime, mainly inkscape
[07:09] <kwwii_> although I do use Adobe Illustrator some times for certain functions (like offsetting a path)
[07:09] <yuriy> kwii_: trying to make an icon with it right now, not that great at this vector stuff
[07:09] <yuriy> never learned the pen tool in photoshop :o
[07:09] <insanekane> kwwii_: i have a question re artwork ... in the mooding engine, during the splash phase, is there some way to not stretch the central portion ?
[07:10] <kwwii_> yeah, the difference between vector and bitmap is quite hard to get over
[07:10] <imbrandon> yea
[07:10] <insanekane> kwwii_: on different machines (e.g., my dad's Toshiba with widescreen), the central portion just gets screwed up :/
[07:10] <imbrandon> i'm noticing
[07:10] <kwwii_> with vector graphics, you have to know in advance pretty much exactly what you want to draw :p
[07:10] <yuriy> kwwii_: i was wondering how you guys get that nice glossy effect
[07:10] <imbrandon> yuriy: ilusions ;)
[07:11] <yuriy> i'm playing around with gradients but it doesn't look right at all
[07:11] <imbrandon> its easy to do in bitmaps atleaste
[07:11] <kwwii_> yuriy: well, multiple objects which have a white-to-transparent gradient
[07:11] <kwwii_> but the paths though, so that you have a top highlight and a bottom one
[07:12] <imbrandon> on from the bottom and one from the top , with diffrent gradients ;)
[07:12] <kwwii_> erm, but cut the paths though...
[07:12] <kwwii_> then you can have a nice curve for the top highlight
[07:12] <kwwii_> the bottom of the top highlight
[07:13] <yuriy> wow lost already
[07:13] <imbrandon> hehe kwwii_ you know sometime i would honestly pay you to make a one page howto with screenshots from inkscape on how to make a simple shiny ball, like say the min max close in OSX
[07:13] <imbrandon> heh
[07:14] <imbrandon> all the inkscape tuts are nuts , not easy to follow for a PS guy at all
[07:14] <imbrandon> most assume you konw inkscape already
[07:15] <imbrandon> every time i try i say fuckit and open PS and just make it bitmap style lol
[07:15] <nixternal> oooh im telling
[07:15] <nixternal> imbrandon: all i can do in inkscape are the "Powered by" stickers ;)
[07:16] <imbrandon> lol
[07:16] <kwwii_> imbrandon: we will probably make something like that, with a video for oxygen eventually
[07:16] <imbrandon> nice
[07:16] <nixternal> they asked me to make them shiny, and i told them to do it themselves..i have no clue how to do the funky stuff
[07:16] <kwwii_> probably at akademy this year
[07:16] <imbrandon> kwwii_: very cool
[07:16] <nixternal> hiya kwwii_ ;)
[07:16] <nixternal> how was your trip to the good ol' midwest
[07:16] <imbrandon> nixternal: i can make bitmap based graphics shiney ;)
[07:16] <nixternal> i can do that easily with gimp
[07:17] <kwwii_> nixternal: too short but nice
[07:17] <nixternal> i can do the orbs, adn glass buttons now
[07:17] <kwwii_> I will be flying back to germany in a few days
[07:17] <nixternal> where are you at now?
[07:17] <kwwii_> st. louis
[07:17] <nixternal> ahh, a good 5 hours away from here
[07:18] <kwwii_> spent time in edgerton and janesville, greys lake and Morris
[07:18] <imbrandon> heh about 4 from here, we should all drive to stl ;)
[07:18] <nixternal> yeehaw
[07:18] <nixternal> you were in greys lake
[07:18] <kwwii_> nixternal: 5 hours! Not if you drive like a german and avoid the illinois police
[07:18] <nixternal> arg
[07:18] <kwwii_> dude, I lived in greys lake
[07:18] <nixternal> i wish you would have said something...i can get there in 45..plus that would have given me a reason to visit my uncle in round lake
[07:19] <yuriy> kwwii_: my first attempt at glossiness: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEGuidanceWineSpec/KdeGuidanceWineProgress  (the non-glossy version is further down the page)
[07:19] <kwwii_> well, I was there for like 4 hours :-)
[07:19] <nixternal> not long at all
[07:19] <kwwii_> also in delevan
[07:19] <nixternal> air and water show this weekend..and i have work i have to do at a local college
[07:19] <nixternal> doing a benefit..so i miss out on an Ubuntu stand ;(
[07:20] <kwwii_> hehe, too bad, they are always fun
[07:20] <imbrandon> yuriy: looks like single gradiants
[07:20] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago is working on getting one setup..but the "police" are being jerks about the electrical situation, and the union guys want to do eveyrthing, and say we couldn't touch or have any computers touched
[07:20] <yuriy> imbrandon: yeah :-\
[07:20] <nixternal> they are horrible
[07:21] <kwwii_> yuriy: play with the gradients
[07:21] <imbrandon> laptop batteries and celular broadband ;)
[07:22] <kwwii_> yuriy: and make extra shapes for the highlights
[07:22] <kwwii_> then it will be easier to make the nice lines you want
[07:23] <imbrandon> heh hrm , more mt dew time, heheh kwwii_ add a mt dew {can,20oz} icon to oxy
[07:23] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:23] <yuriy> kwwii_: i made the icon myself because i like playing around with this stuff, but for the actual thing i can/should have you/the artwork team make one right?  this is for kubuntu of course
[07:24] <imbrandon> heh i should just learn how to make icons the oxy way and make one myself , ken has enough to do LOL, maybe after akademy
[07:26] <insanekane> yuriy: if you have problems with pyqt then #kampy
[07:27] <yuriy> insanekane: none right now, but thanks. i didn't know there was a seperate channel for it, might have helped out earlier
[07:28] <kwwii_> yuriy: I am sure that we can come up with something for oxygen, sure :-)
[07:29] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I have drank like 20 liters of mt dew since I have been hom
[07:29] <kwwii_> home
[07:29] <imbrandon> ugh kwwii_ that dident work as expected .....
[07:29] <imbrandon> hahaha ;)
[07:29] <imbrandon> none in DE ?
[07:29] <kwwii_> nope, I wish that germans would like it
[07:29] <kwwii_> it is too sweet for them
[07:30] <imbrandon> ok kwwii_ wth http://pastebin.ca/137209
[07:30] <kwwii_> I can buy it, but it costs like 2.50 a can
[07:30] <imbrandon> OUCH
[07:30] <imbrandon> can you get it on a px near you maybe ?
[07:30] <insanekane> i hate mt dew :P
[07:31] <imbrandon> insanekane: you are one of the very few, infact so many MOTU's drink it we was join about making it the offical drink of the MOTU ;)
[07:31] <imbrandon> last nigth*
[07:31] <imbrandon> night even
[07:31] <kwwii_> imbrandon:  it seems that it did not download the dirs, only the files in that dir
[07:31] <kwwii_> I can not even get on a base
[07:31] <nixternal> [00:30]  <insanekane> i hate mt dew :P
[07:31] <nixternal> +1
[07:31] <insanekane> imbrandon: i'm not an MOTU
[07:32] <nixternal> Dr. Pepper or Mr. Pibb
[07:32] <nixternal> ;)
[07:32] <imbrandon> hrm maybe drop the -N
[07:32] <kwwii_> Dr. Pepper is good too
[07:32] <kwwii_> but it costs just as much
[07:32] <nixternal> Dr. Pepper is the drink of true redknecks..and kwwii_ is a true redkneck ;)
[07:32] <kwwii_> at one sub store
[07:32] <nixternal> kwwii_: you remember white hens?  the 7-11 type stores?
[07:32] <kwwii_> I even grew up on a fram
[07:33] <imbrandon> ahh got it working
[07:33] <nixternal> haha
[07:33] <kwwii_> yepp
[07:33] <nixternal> hehe
[07:33] <nixternal> they are now owned by 7-11
[07:33] <kwwii_> of course, it was a horse farm
[07:33] <kwwii_> not really typical of wisonsin
[07:33] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/mt_dew.jpg
[07:33] <nixternal> imbrandon: nothing beats a 2 liter and 7-11 nachos loaded with chili, cheese, and jalapenos
[07:33] <kwwii_> LOL
[07:34] <imbrandon> heh when i make a oxy mt dew icon  i'm gonna use it as my gotchi ;)
[07:34] <imbrandon> ( or convince ken to make it ) hehe
[07:34] <nixternal> that looks like my water bottle fridge ;)
[07:34] <nixternal> oh no.no more crazy gotchis please ;)
[07:34] <kwwii_> in europe the refrigerators are much smaller
[07:35] <kwwii_> hehe
[07:35] <imbrandon> heh did you see the craze i started on planet.u.c , everyone copied me and made a nuts-o gotchi
[07:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:35] <imbrandon> even zul
[07:35] <nixternal> ya, big refrigerators are the reason us americans are fat and lazy
[07:37] <nixternal> http://www.mensfitness.com/rankings/358?page=2
[07:37] <nixternal> chicago just so happens to be the fattest city lol
[07:37] <nixternal> they are listed as the fattest city in the world...thanks to Giorodanos and Eli's
[07:37] <imbrandon> KC is #9 lol
[07:38] <kwwii_> hehe
[07:38] <yuriy> kwwii_: i'll try learning the stuff with paths/gradients/shapes if i have some more free time (i.e. when i get the coding done and there are no obligatory red sox vs. yankees games to watch)
[07:38] <imbrandon> Nashville ( where i met my wife ) though is on the good list ;)
[07:38] <yuriy> kwwii_: is there a kubuntu-artwork ml?
[07:38] <kwwii_> yuriy: sure (and the cardinals are sure to win anyway)
[07:39] <imbrandon> and the royals sure to loose ;0
[07:39] <kwwii_> yuriy: use ubuntu-artwork and wiki.ubuntu.org/Artwork/
[07:39] <imbrandon> the cheifs are lookin good in pre season though
[07:39] <yuriy> imbrandon: sox got swept by the royals :(
[07:39] <yuriy> ok good night
[07:39] <imbrandon> yuriy: thats funny too becouse atm the royals are on the way to 107 losses , worst in the league ;)
[07:40] <kwwii_> we have a page on the wiki for kubuntu (wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas)
[07:40] <imbrandon> gnight kwwii_ sleep well
[07:41] <kwwii_> thanks, I hope I will (if my wife doesn't steal the covers)
[07:41] <kwwii_> night all
[07:41] <imbrandon> heh
[07:43] <imbrandon> nixternal: http://smhill.net/mac-icons/thumbs/AMP.jpg bwhahaha
[07:45] <nixternal> that is some nasty stuff there
[07:45] <nixternal> Bawls is the best
[07:57] <serzholino> Hi! Is there any rss feed for latest Kubuntu wiki changes?
[08:00] <imbrandon> no rss but you can subscribe to a page
[08:00] <imbrandon> when you are loged in there is a subscribe button at the top
[08:01] <imbrandon> top left
[08:09] <nixternal> i can subscribe you to every wiki page there is if you like ;)
[08:16] <serzholino> :) and every new page?
[11:59] <allee> oh, oh https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu is now paritally in Russian(???).   Congrats to Zorg6 :(
[12:00] <Riddell> cool
[12:00] <serzholino> allee: why ":("
[12:01] <allee> Zorg6 has no home page :(
[12:01] <allee> serzholino: Well, ':(' because if the english homepage is translated to a language I don't understands I prefer chinese. glyphs look more interesting ;)
[12:02] <serzholino> oh, it is in russian for all visitors?
[12:02] <serzholino> i understuud
[12:22] <lnxkde> Riddell, you up?
[12:22] <Riddell> hi lnxkde 
[12:23] <lnxkde> hi :)
[12:23] <lnxkde> everything ok?
[12:24] <lnxkde> I was just wondering how could I create a Kubuntu Live CD or DVD of dapper of my installation. 
[12:24] <lnxkde> Riddell, any script or ir is a big complicated process?
[12:24] <Riddell> you'd need to do dpkg --get-selections
[12:25] <Riddell> then re-make the CD with dpkg --set-selections
[12:25] <lnxkde> and It will create a iso or something?
[12:26] <Riddell> if you tell it to
[12:27] <lnxkde> any how too?
[12:27] <lnxkde> or when I make dpkg --set-selections it will ask me if I want too?
[12:28] <Riddell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06
[12:28] <Riddell> http://www.atworkonline.it/~bibe/ubuntu/custom-livecd.htm
[12:29] <lnxkde> ok
[12:29] <lnxkde> Thankx
[12:29] <lnxkde> I want to make my own live cd with mp3, divx / and all the media capbilities that I use on avery day use
[12:29] <lnxkde> :)
[12:29] <lnxkde> also with a nice set of dev tools
[12:29] <lnxkde> lol I think It will be a DVD
[12:32] <lnxkde> Riddell If I have luck and make a nice one I will make a torrent for you to test ti :p
[12:35] <sebas> Riddell: ping
[12:35] <Riddell> hi sebas 
[12:36] <sebas> hi Riddell 
[12:36] <sebas> -> query
[12:37] <lnxkde> I am downloading a nice torrent from my Vlos/Gentoo partition I am really impatient I want to go to my kubuntu partition but still 7 minutes to go :(
[12:37] <sebas> Use chroot :-)
[12:38] <lnxkde> sabas I need to use chroot again from the kubuntu partition in order to do what I want 
[12:38] <lnxkde> sabas and still I like to see my Kubuntu KDE desktop ( I have my Gentoo KDE a little massy ) my Kubuntu KDE desktop is polished as hell :D
[12:38] <abattoir> Riddell: hi :)
[12:39] <Riddell> abattoir!
[12:39] <abattoir> Riddell: i think oem-config doesnt work with current edgy... the timezone loop does not return data to the UI
[12:40] <Riddell> abattoir: hmm, fooey, that makes testing harder
[12:40] <abattoir> Riddell: and i believe Kamion is on vacation
[12:40] <Riddell> yes, he is
[12:40] <abattoir> Riddell: could you please see if it works for you?
[12:41] <abattoir> Riddell: i tried it in a chroot, just to be sure, and i still get the same errors
[12:42] <Riddell> abattoir: where do I get it from again?
[12:42] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, please give me a sec, i'll make the packages again...
[12:43] <abattoir> Riddell: but since the gtk UI also doesnt work, the old package should also give the same error, if you still have it installed 
[12:43] <Riddell> I don't
[12:43] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, just a sec.
[12:45] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/oem-config/ has the old packages
[12:47] <Riddell> hmm yes, now I have to remember how I got them working
[12:48] <abattoir> Riddell: aah, you had to install the old locale-chooser-data deb, and then run it.... wasnt it a pain? :P
[12:49] <Riddell> that was it
[12:49] <abattoir> Riddell: but iirc, the last time i spoke to you, i didnt have the latest edgy(didnt upgrade due to the fear of things breaking)... and after upgrading, it did break :(
[12:50] <abattoir> Riddell: the deb is still in http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/
[01:18] <Riddell> abattoir: well I can get the gtk frontend working up to the keyboard page
[01:18] <Riddell> abattoir: got new packages of the kde frontend?
[01:57] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/kde-ui/ you'd need to replace these two files at /usr/lib/oem-config/oem_config/frontend
[01:58] <seaLne> whats the proper name for the kmenu?
[01:58] <Riddell> seaLne: k-menu :)
[01:58] <seaLne> :)
[02:01] <abattoir> Riddell: do you get an error about 'iterator' not being defined?
[02:02] <abattoir> ....w/ the gtk ui
[02:05] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[02:05] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, and w/ the kde-ui ?
[02:06] <abattoir> you see the stepname being printed again and again?
[02:06] <abattoir> step_timezone
[02:08] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[02:08] <Riddell> /usr/lib/oem-config/timezone/tzsetup-wrapper: 6: tzsetup: not found
[02:09] <abattoir> Riddell: aah, ok, i got that too
[02:09] <abattoir> Riddell: i then put the abs. path for tzsetup in tzsetup-wrapper and it worked fine
[02:10] <abattoir> i mean, that error didnt come, but nothing happened
[02:10] <Riddell> where is tzsetup-wrapper?
[02:11] <abattoir>  /usr/lib/oem-config/timezone :P
[02:11] <abattoir> tzsetup is in the same folder too
[02:15] <Riddell> I still get an endless loop on the timezone stage
[02:16] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, that's what i meant
[02:16] <abattoir> Riddell: i think in that step, the backend doesn't send data to the frontend
[02:20] <Riddell> I can fix the gtk frontend if I change "iterator" to "keyboard"
[02:20] <Riddell> and it successfully goes onto the timezone page
[02:20] <abattoir> Riddell: and data is loaded into the combobox?
[02:22] <Riddell> yes
[02:24] <abattoir> Riddell: you changed iterator to keyboard in line 300 ?
[02:25] <Riddell> yes
[02:25] <abattoir> Riddell: 'value = unicode(model.get_value(keyboard, 0))' ?
[02:25] <Riddell> yes
[02:25] <abattoir> Riddell: that changes to the tz step, then immediately to the last step, and then crashes for me
[02:27] <abattoir> Riddell: and do you get the 'sed: can't read /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory' error?
[02:27] <Riddell> I do
[02:28] <abattoir> ok...
[02:29] <abattoir> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20967 is what i get... as i said, i see the busy cursor, the steps change automatically, and the window closes
[02:31] <Riddell> abattoir: I also get /usr/lib/oem-config/keyboard/kbd-chooser-wrapper: 22: install-keymap: not found
[02:32] <abattoir> Riddell: in the gtk-ui?
[02:32] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[02:33] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir 
[02:34] <abattoir> Riddell: it comes w/ console-common ?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you call me?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or did you hand out my number to anyone else?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> and there is a mysterious, no-numbered missed call from earlier.  hmmm.
[02:48] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hi, did you get those changelogs?
[02:48] <abattoir> Tm_T: hi :)
[02:48] <Tm_T> I lost electricity and net connection yesterday
[02:48] <Tm_T> hi abattoir 
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ahhh...nope
[02:49] <Tm_T> ok, I'll see what I can do
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: apachelogger's pretty poor at responding to email, in my experience.  much better to use irc
[02:50] <Tm_T> hehe
[02:51] <Hobbsee> well, at least *my* email.  i dont know about anyone else's email
[02:53] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: anyway: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kopete-devel&m=115589116020569&w=2
[02:53] <Tm_T> if that's what you were looking for
[02:54] <Tonio_> hey
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fine ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is katapult working for you ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: define "working".  yes
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't understand why it fails here
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: tried removing config files?
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let me check
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: looks good.
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no config files here in my profile
[02:58] <Tonio_> alt + space simply doesn"t produce anything
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: would alt+space be assigned to something else, by any chance?  would katapult be running?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ie, try running it thru console maybe, and just check that way
[02:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is the third time I migrate to edgy and it fails
[02:59] <Tonio_> it was working nicelly on dapper so I don't think this is due to another app
[03:00] <Tonio_> or maybe the problem is with my keyboard
[03:00] <Tonio_> alt+space doesn't work
[03:00] <Tonio_> let me test
[03:01] <Tonio_> okay the issue is with the keyboard
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: weird.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:01] <Hobbsee> right
[03:02] <goldenear> Tonio_: hey you're back !!! :)
[03:03] <goldenear> Tonio_: did you patch something in kde 3.5.4 (in dapper) ?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: grumble.  that change is driving me nuts :P
[03:04] <Tonio_> hey goldenear
[03:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I must say I don't understand the reason of this issue
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: didn't call you, didn't give out your number
[03:05] <goldenear> I have the change you told me about the konq tab closing button
[03:05] <Tonio_> key combinasion are failing and also specific letters
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I sent the UVF exception request
[03:05] <Tonio_> ^e
[03:05] <Tonio_> that doesn't work also
[03:05] <Tonio_> hey Riddell
[03:05] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[03:05] <Tonio_> goldenear: it looks like it has been removed since it doesn't work here on edgy
[03:06] <goldenear> Tonio_: please re-enable the timing before the close button is active... I'm nuts about closing my tab by mistake !!!
[03:06] <Tonio_> lots of people don't like so better removing anyway
[03:06] <Tonio_> goldenear: all of that will be removed anyway
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's what i thought.  and i couldnt imagine you giving out my number.  it just sounds a lot like your calls sometimes do.  i have no idea who else it could be
[03:06] <Tonio_> goldenear: do you have edgy ?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: UVF request for which?  kopete?
[03:06] <goldenear> not yet
[03:06] <Tonio_> I have a few issues with french keyboard
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[03:07] <goldenear> I'm working on oskar atm so I need something stable :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that.  i just keep finding that i accidently hit close when trying to select a tab.
[03:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes I know ;)
[03:07] <goldenear> Tonio_: I like the close button on the konq tab, but with the timer :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> I will probably remove this today
[03:07] <Tonio_> goldenear: most people don't like....
[03:08] <goldenear> Tonio_: then add an options in the prfrences...
[03:08] <goldenear> I like it now I used to use it :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> goldenear: not easy to do since for example in kopete it has to be patched in the code
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at guidance power manager
[03:09] <Tonio_> very nice job !
[03:20] <Riddell> abattoir: dunno, something funny is going on in process_line
[03:20] <Riddell> in debconffilter
[03:20] <Riddell> so not sure what's going on there
[03:20] <Riddell> abattoir: we probably need to wait for kamion to come back
[03:21] <Riddell> abattoir: do you have a bzr archive?
[03:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[03:21] <abattoir> Riddell: from what i could figure, timezone.prepare was called, after that nothing happens
[03:21] <abattoir> Riddell: bzr archive for kde-ui ?
[03:21] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[03:21] <abattoir> Riddell: no
[03:21] <Riddell> abattoir: then make one! :)
[03:22] <abattoir> Riddell: only for the three files or should i have one for oem-config(w/ the kde-ui) as a whole?
[03:22] <Riddell> abattoir: branch kamion's
[03:22] <Riddell> abattoir: then add your files and changes to debian/ dir
[03:22] <Riddell> abattoir: then bzr push it to muse
[03:22] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, will do, thanks :)
[03:24] <Tonio_> apt-file is broken.... I'm looking
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there's a bug report on it not being installable.
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: libapt-pkg-perl is broken in fact
[03:25] <Hobbsee> what, again?
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yay.
[03:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm looking at this
[03:25] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/56809 if it helps
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56809 in apt-file "apt-file is not installable on edgy" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks, I will try to get this fixed but I need to create a pbuilder chroot first :) newly installed system here
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh...
[03:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.50 has been removed
[03:35] <Tonio_> no sources are available
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, so anything that depends on it needs a rebuild.
[03:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: rebuilding should suffice
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: same thing happened with adept, debtags, etc
[03:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true
[03:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm just testing and reuploading if it is okay
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh yeah, that's right, you've got the core upload rights too now
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, true
[03:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is okay, I'm reuploading and closing the bug
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apt-file/+bug/56809
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56809 in apt-file "apt-file is not installable on edgy" [Untriaged,Fix released]  
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :)
[03:41] <Tonio_> I have a few polishing to perform on kde
[03:41] <Tonio_> let's go
[03:41] <Tonio_> this keyboard issue drives me nuts since nobody on kubuntu-fr uses edgy
[03:41] <Tonio_> nobody can confirm
[03:46] <abattoir> can anyone else access http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/ ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hi apachelogger 
[03:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: not just now
[03:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: ?
[03:47] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: ahoy
[03:48] <mornfall> i think that was a mis-tab
[03:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, we merged a bug from debian
[03:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: people.u.c seems down
[03:48] <mornfall> --> walk, home... laters :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: what on earth did you do to get a weird tarball for kopete?
[03:48] <abattoir> Riddell: it was me who asked... thanks :)
[03:48] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: executed wrong script ^^
[03:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ahhh...
[03:49] <apachelogger> unpack->rename->retar->gzip
[03:49] <apachelogger> instead if unbzip2 -> gzip -> rename
[03:49] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: that'd do it.
[03:49] <Riddell> doh, sorry, apachelogger, abattoir :)
[03:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: khc_docbookdig.pl.in says ---my $findpath = "$kdekdehtmldir/$lang/";--- though the actual variable name is kdehtmldir
[03:50] <apachelogger> http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2006/07/msg00135.html
[03:51] <apachelogger> btw, I think there is a lot of need for a proper solution for building the search index
[03:51] <apachelogger> htdig depends on quite some packages usually only needed for servers
[03:51] <apachelogger> so it kinda sux to have htdig including it's deps installed, just to get a searchindex
[03:51] <Riddell> I would agree
[03:52] <apachelogger> and IMHO a searchindex is really important for the average user :|
[03:54] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta do some shopping
[03:54] <apachelogger> later
[04:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: cursor theme doesn't work on edgy, I just fixed kds and I will upload
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[04:35] <trappist> I've got a bug that's kicking my butt (#56745) where kmail won't do ntlm auth on imap on amd64, and I was hoping somebody could tell me how to get more info to track down the cause
[04:36] <Tonio_> trappist: ntlm sucks
[04:36] <trappist> it doesn't crash, it just says the protocol died unexpectedly
[04:36] <Tonio_> trappist: imap on exchange doesn use ntlm
[04:36] <trappist> Tonio_: no argument there.  but I need it, and I'm motivated to spend time tracking it down
[04:36] <Tonio_> it does native imap auth
[04:37] <Tonio_> trappist: did you activate imap auth on your active directory account ?
[04:37] <trappist> Tonio_: it does here.  it worked just fine on two separate machines before going amd64
[04:37] <Tonio_> it is not by default
[04:37] <Tonio_> trappist: ah ok.... I never used an amd64 with exchange so I might not be able to help
[04:37] <trappist> Tonio_: I don't run the exchange box, thank god, but... what does kmail call imap auth?
[04:38] <trappist> login? plain?
[04:38] <Tonio_> trappist: login and password
[04:38] <Tonio_> you should autodetect what the server can do in kmail
[04:38] <trappist> yeah, that fails
[04:38] <Tonio_> there are several kind of encryption in imap
[04:38] <trappist> failed on 32bit too
[04:38] <Tonio_> hum, that's weird....
[04:38] <Tonio_> is your imap port open on the exchange box ?
[04:38] <Tonio_> I use kmail with imap and no issues
[04:39] <trappist> and I hate shotgunning it, because if I pick something unsupported I get an infinite loop where it asks for auth info, then tells me it's not supported, and I have to kill the app to get out of it
[04:39] <Tonio_> trappist: don't get me wrong, what is your imap server ?
[04:39] <Tonio_> exchange, lotus notes ?
[04:39] <trappist> Tonio_: works fine with courier at home, but this is exchange
[04:39] <Tonio_> 2003 or 2005 rc ?
[04:40] <trappist> 2003
[04:40] <Tonio_> I suspect ms not to respect the standard, but I already used kmail with 2003 with no issues...
[04:40] <Tonio_> is the port 143 accessible on the machine ? (telnet bla.exchange 143)
[04:40] <trappist> me to... on 32bit
[04:40] <trappist> yes
[04:40] <trappist> I've tried with and without ssl
[04:40] <Tonio_> weird.......
[04:41] <Tonio_> if it works wirh 32 bits, I'm affraid I can't help you
[04:41] <trappist> as I said, 2 different machines had no problem until I went 64bit
[04:41] <trappist> well
[04:41] <Tonio_> I don't have a 64 bits machine to make tests
[04:41] <trappist> I wasn't so much looking for a fix (though that would be awesome) as some tips on how I might get more info on what's going wrong
[04:42] <Tonio_> trappist: ever searched kde bts ?
[04:42] <trappist> meanwhile, I've got the exchange guy here who's going to look into enabling other auth mechanisms, which would be a great workaround
[04:42] <trappist> bts?
[04:42] <trappist> bug tracking system?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i would expect so
[04:43] <trappist> yeah, it's kinda cumbersome.  haven't checked it for this one yet.
[04:43] <trappist> I googled to no avail.
[04:46] <Tonio_> trappist: well if they only activate ntlm, I suspect it will never work
[04:47] <Hobbsee> oh yes, that's what i was going to do.  look for bugs that are fixed in kde about kubuntu packages, but are not in kubuntu
[04:47] <trappist> I assume kmail uses libkntlm from kdelibs, not libntlm from the sasl2 libs?
[04:49] <trappist> btw, I got a manageable number of hits on bugs.kde.org searching for 'ntlm', but none of them represents my specific problem.  I'll submit a new bug.
[05:03] <bddebian> Hello
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[05:04] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[05:31] <trappist> there's a libkntlm.so in ia32-libs-kde - any way to get kmail to use that and see if I have better luck?
[05:32] <trappist> guess I could just symlink, hih
[05:32] <trappist> *huh
[05:35] <trappist> ok that didn't help
[05:55] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[06:00] <insanekane> Hobbsee: didnt you just wake up ?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> insanekane: not that i know about.  it's currently 2am.
[06:05] <insanekane> Hobbsee: hmm ok ... didn't see you in earlier so i figured you were sleeping
[06:06] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i snuck in a bit after work...
[06:06] <Hobbsee> maybe 3 hours ago?
[06:06] <insanekane> ah ok no wonder
[06:06] <insanekane> you work as a programmer ?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> insanekane: no, i work at a supermarket
[06:07] <insanekane> hehe :)
[06:08] <Hobbsee> no, i can not come into work, no matter how badly you need someone, while i'm at uni classes
[06:08] <Hobbsee> and if you keep rostering people on when they say they cannot work, then you should expect them to cancel on you
[06:08] <Hobbsee> you cant use the excuse of "i have no staff to fill this shift" to ignore an N/A.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> idiots.
[06:09] <insanekane> hehe
[06:09] <insanekane> Hobbsee: almost same for me too
[06:09] <Hobbsee> still, the boss comes back on tuesday, so i can have the fun of dealing with her, and that shift while i'm n/a'd, with her over the phone.  or in person.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> insanekane: :(
[06:10] <insanekane> Hobbsee: i work at an NGO ... and the NGO's "office" is my home as well
[06:11] <Hobbsee> insanekane: ahhh...yes...the whole "i work at home, so cant get away" syndrome.
[06:11] <insanekane> yes ... only thing is, usually, the daytime, i have to go around and meet some nuts
[06:11] <insanekane> so, i get to work all night ;)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:14] <insanekane> Hobbsee: good thing is, I'm working on a Kubuntu-derivative. so the work is often "interesting"
[06:14] <Hobbsee> insanekane: nice :)
[06:15] <insanekane> Hobbsee: yeah, but I get no money for it :/
[06:15] <Hobbsee> true that
[06:16] <serzholino> insanekane: what is this devivative intended for?
[06:18] <insanekane> serzholino: well, our NGO is for Malayalam language research ... so this is a Malayalam distro (but, there are no translations in our distro ... i.e., no l10n stuff)
[06:20] <insanekane> serzholino: it is intended for our own research in computational and general linguistics
[06:21] <serzholino> ok
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: uvf exception request needed for a main package ?
[06:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, what's the package?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:25] <Tonio_> I would like to finally upload kio-locate since upstream didn't find any solution
[06:25] <Tonio_> so I will upload with my working patch
[06:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: what was the problem again?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: :P
[06:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: error during the build with scons
[06:26] <Tonio_> I found a trick to make it work
[06:26] <Hobbsee> guess i should go to bed.  it being 2.30 am, and all...
[06:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, do it
[06:26] <Tonio_> upstream is still looking for a solution for the next version, but that will not be there for edgy
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will do toonight
[06:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I just uploaded a kdebase package to remove printer from the kmenu/configuration
[06:27] <Tonio_> we don't want it
[06:27] <Tonio_> and toonight I will patch kicker for size set to 48
[06:31] <Riddell> thanks
[06:38] <trappist> anybody know if kde supports _MOTIF_WM_INFO
[06:38] <trappist> (it apparently doesn't)
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: is klaptopdaemon supposed to go away before edgy is out ?
[06:58] <alleeEdgy32> hi Lure
[06:58] <Lure> hi allee
[07:01] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: when I logout/login to day laptop keys were not defined, yesterday they were.  Seem like kded service load is not determined.  Sometimes kmilo wins, sometimes whatever loads the keyboard.
[07:02] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: I think we need to move xmodmap code from kmilo into X startup + regioanl settings
[07:02] <Lure> so it would be set on startup/login and after any change of keyboard layouts (apply) from GUI
[07:03] <Lure> that is quick solution, but I may still try to solve it with hal events (but would not count on that as Sep 7 is near)
[07:04] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: k understandable
[07:06] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: you have Dell? can you add info to LukaRenko/Keycodes wiki?
[07:06] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: Yeap. Mostly Dells.
[07:07] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: mostly HP's here (at my work)
[07:07] <Lure> ;-)
[07:08] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: you know if there's any infrastructure that configure media keys of Desktops?  Hotkey-setup only considers maschine vendor and model. That works fine with a Laptop where keyboard is fixed, but not with a Desktop were one can plug any keyboard
[07:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: klaptopdaemon is dad
[07:08] <Riddell> dead
[07:09] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: there is X keyboard models (submit bug to freedesktop.org bugzilla, but slow to get in) or KeyTouch
[07:09] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: but impossible to auto-detect and/or have out-of-box experience
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: hi - you are back?
[07:13] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: yeah, submited already some xkb fixes to f.d.o.  But this will not help is ubuntu continues the way to (re)map raw keycodes to 'Standard' keycode/Symbol
[07:14] <alleeEdgy32> then xkb setting way even be broken to remapped raw keycodes
[07:15] <alleeEdgy32> Is there any plan in HWDB to collect keycodes info of multimedia keys?
[07:24] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: your wikipage is about laptops.  Edgy is only running on a desktop (dell optiplex gv620) with Dell Multimedia USB keyboard info too?
[07:24] <alleeEdgy32> or are just keycodes from dapper also useful?
[07:24] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: laptops only. but you can collect info on dapper laptop too
[07:25] <alleeEdgy32> k
[07:25] <Lure> dapper already remaps keycodes appropriatey (same as edgy)
[07:33] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: not here (well I use US,DE keymaps all the time there, so never noticed it ;)
[07:34] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: it does not remap to "standard" keycodes?
[08:00] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/bzr/mainline/
[08:01] <Riddell> rocking
[08:01] <abattoir> Riddell: oops... somehow another mainline slipped in... i'll remove that :P
[08:07] <alleeEdgy32> Lure:  Well, I've the same  USB keyboard connected to my Dell laptop (dapper) and Dell desktop (edgy).  On dapper I get the same keycodes, but not the keysyms.
[08:07] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: 2 keyboard, same model that is
[08:07] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: that is ok, ubuntu just takes care of keycode
[08:07] <Lure> do keycodes match?
[08:08] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: the few I tried: yes.  wait ...
[08:15] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: interesting - your laptop reports keycode for brigness up, but not for down!?
[08:15] <alleeEdgy32> Well, yes and not: I've set keyboard model to 'laptop/notebook Dell Insprion 6xxx/8xxx'.  There's the Laptop keys are defined via xkb defs.  (not sure if it's hacked by me or already the f.d.o version)
[08:15] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: yes, confused be too!  And even kmilo pops up OSD display for both
[08:16] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: that may be kmilo dell module (which is supposed to be dropped for edgy)
[08:16] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: the latop keys that are defined via xkb keyboard model, show in xev an interesting additonal line:
[08:17] <allee> Lure: here's one:
[08:17] <allee>     state 0x0, keycode 164 (keysym 0x1008ff15, XF86AudioStop), same_screen YES,
[08:17] <allee>     XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 130
[08:18] <Lure> allee: never saw this - this is really interesting
[08:18] <alleeEdgy32> But this madness is due to my non default  xdk setup + mixing ubuntu keymapping I assume
[08:18] <Lure> I thought that keyboard model only adds keysyms to keycodes, but it may be more than this
[08:19] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: yes.  Noticed it for the first time right now too.
[08:19] <Lure> alleeEdgy32: no sleep/hibernate key on you laptop?
[08:24] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: with a model setting you can define everything. See /etc/X11/xdb/base
[08:24] <alleeEdgy32> sorry /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base
[08:26] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: in the insprion case it add from symbols/inet  the 'inspiron' keyboard extention with defines the keycode -> XF<whatever> mapping
[08:27] <alleeEdgy32> with the remapping hotkey stuff :(
[08:29] <alleeEdgy32> Lure: about sleep/hibernate.  I have then but I played with in breezy the settings: result does not work reliable here.  college with fresh dapper says: works for me.  So I did not dare to
[08:29] <alleeEdgy32> test 
[08:32] <Lure_> Riddell: ^^^
[08:33] <Riddell> bah, it should do
[08:37] <Lure> Riddell: maybe it was not g-p-m that shutdown my system? not sure what else could be...
[08:38] <alleeEdgy32> have to leave.  Bye
[08:44] <Lure> allee: bye
[08:46] <allee> bye
[09:13] <Tonio_> hey Lure !
[09:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: "Changed konqueror's default icon size to default"  why?
[09:14] <Lure> hi Tonio_ - seen that you already fixed one of my issues (System menu) ;-)
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: because we discussed this a few weeks ago
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: the plan for edgy was to unify the icon size between konqueror and the desktop
[09:15] <Tonio_> when setting to default, konqueror will use the size defined for the desktop
[09:17] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you agree this approach ? this is on my todo list for a very long time (before dapper is out)
[09:18] <Riddell> 48 is pretty small for konqueror, I find 64 much more comfortable
[09:19] <Tonio_> hum, I must say I like 48
[09:19] <Tonio_> anyone has an opinion ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> lure maybe ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> goldenear ?
[09:19] <goldenear> oui ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> what icon size in konqueror do you use ?
[09:20] <goldenear> I don't know
[09:21] <goldenear> 64x64 I think
[09:21] <Tonio_> what setting do you use ?
[09:21] <goldenear> depends what I display
[09:21] <Tonio_> default, big, very big ?
[09:21] <Tonio_> okay
[09:21] <goldenear> CRTL+mouse wheel is my settings :)
[09:21] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I agree 64 is nice for images
[09:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: but when you play with a big number of files, it is pretty nice to have smaller ones :)
[09:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's vote the size in a meeting maybe, as we did for most major settings ?
[09:23] <goldenear> Tonio_: I said you, when you have many files CRTL+mouse wheel is nice :)
[09:24] <goldenear> 64x64 is a nice default value IMHO
[09:25] <Tonio_> goldenear: with small resolutions it is pretty big I think...
[09:25] <Tonio_> but the best is to let people decide what they want in a meeting :)
[09:25] <Tonio_> the voted opinion is generally the best when you look at it a few weeks after :)
[09:27] <goldenear> KDE is not well suited for small resolution anyway...
[09:30] <goldenear> Tonio_: 48 is a good compromise imho
[09:30] <Tonio_> goldenear: this is the point, KDE is not very nice with low resolutions, so I wouldn't like to confirm this is the settings*
[09:31] <Tonio_> goldenear: btw, I added the question to the agenda, that's the best to do
[09:31] <goldenear> :)
[09:34] <pygi> who wanna use k3b without cdrecord? :)
[09:35] <fritsch> cdrtools already got removed from debian?
[09:35] <pygi> fritsch, I don't know, and don't care :)
[09:36] <pygi> running K3B on libburn backs
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the fonts, not only antialiasing is broken, since even when it works, they look like fuzzy...
[09:37] <Tonio_> it is hard to see but when you migrate from dapper to edgy, the difference is sensible
[09:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: lipstik style has a little bug with transparency regarding to kicker's separators, and a new upstream version is out, may I ask for uvf exception ?
[09:59] <Lure> Riddell: I am thinking of fixing 27839 as proposed + call xmodmap xmodmap.ubuntu (moved from kmilo) + patch kxkb to run xmodmap again after layout change (setxkbmap) - is this ok with you?
[10:00] <Tonio_> oups, nope, we have the latest one.... shit !
[10:01] <Lure> Tonio_: it is not aliasing, it is due to use of Light instead of Regular
[10:01] <Lure> Tonio_: but switcing to Regular does not work...
[10:01] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ? is that a kubuntu only issue ?
[10:02] <Tonio_> or is there the same issue on gnome ?
[10:02] <Lure> Tonio_: it is Edgy issue - kde 3.5.4 on dapper does not have this problem
[10:02] <Lure> not sure abut gnome
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure: okay thanks for the info
[10:02] <Lure> (maybe Deja Vu fonts were changed to include Light which was not the case in Dapper?)
[10:23] <Tm_T_> whooo
[10:24] <D4rkly> im now using new kde and k7 kernel :) but my drives dont appear in system:/media ?
[10:26] <Tm_T> jumpy :)
[10:38] <pygi> rraphink_, poke
[10:39] <D4rkly> im running dapper 3.5.4 and k7 kernel but now i cant see my additional drives in system:/media
[10:43] <Tonio_> grmpf.......... I don't understand why the kicker size patch doesn't work
[10:50] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:53] <Mez> apachelogger: what you after him for ?
[10:54] <apachelogger> opinion about taglib upgrade in case amarok 1.4.3 requires it
[10:54] <apachelogger> having hard discussion whether we should "force" distros to provide a upgraded taglib
[10:54] <Mez> ah fair enough
[10:54] <Mez> nothing I can help with then
[10:55] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ?
[10:55] <D4rkly> how can i get my drives to appear in system:/media again. they disappeared after upgrading to dapper 3.5.4 and k7 kernel ??? plz help
[10:57] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I have to patch kicker to get "normal" size to 48 instead of 46
[10:57] <Tonio_> the patch is done, but doesn't work, so I assume I'm missing something....
[10:58] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hmm, interesting
[10:58] <Tonio_> Tm_T: wanna see the patch ?
[10:58] <Tm_T> yes please
[10:59] <Tonio_> just wait for pastebin to work :)
[10:59] <Tonio_> Tm_T: do you know a working pasting website ?
[10:59] <Tonio_> pastebin is dead actually
[11:00] <Tm_T> pastebin.ca or, what was that ubuntu-nl.org/past or something
[11:00] <D4rkly> how can i chown a folder or give the user permission to open a folder ?
[11:01] <Tm_T> D4rkly: you really should ask user support questions in user channels, like #kubuntu
[11:02] <Tonio_> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21024
[11:02] <Tonio_> here is the patch
[11:02] <Tm_T> thanks
[11:03] <Tonio_> I looked at all the sources and I don't see another place that defines the size....
[11:03] <Tonio_> I don't understand why it fails
[11:03] <Tm_T> hmm
[11:03] <Tm_T> Tonio_: what you used as keyword in your searches?
[11:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: kicker + size
[11:05] <Tonio_> Tm_T: 46 + kicker, 46 + size, Size + kicker
[11:05] <Tonio_> etc......
[11:05] <Tonio_> all kind of combinason
[11:06] <Tonio_> it looks like the patch is incomplete
[11:06] <Tonio_> but I recently greped this :
[11:06] <Tonio_> grep -d recurse 46 ./kdebase
[11:06] <Tonio_> I looked at ALL the output and didn't see anything
[11:06] <Tonio_> nothing in kdelibs neither
[11:07] <Tm_T> ok
[11:08] <Tm_T> glad I have kicker size of 80 ;)
[11:09] <Tm_T> 82 
[11:09] <seaLne> how does that compare to "tiny"?
[11:09] <Tonio_> Tm_T: note that I can set the size to "personnalized" and set the value to 48 in kds
[11:09] <Tonio_> but the point is more to patch kicker "normal" size instead
[11:09] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:10] <Tm_T> seaLne: well, it's much wider here compared to tiny =)
[11:10] <Tonio_> and normal is set to "46", but although I can see where in the source, nothing changes when patched
[11:10] <Tonio_> I'm completly lost I must admit
[11:10] <seaLne> i'm useless at guessing heights
[11:10] <Tm_T> heh
[11:10] <Tm_T> seaLne: well, "tiny" I think is 16
[11:11] <Tm_T> no, 24
[11:11] <seaLne> wow and you have 80?!
[11:11] <Tm_T> yes
[11:11] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[11:11] <seaLne> what resolution are you running at?
[11:11] <Tm_T> 1400x1050
[11:11] <Tm_T> should fix my iconset
[11:12] <seaLne> your screenshot doesn't show a kicker?
[11:12] <Tm_T> seaLne: in right top corner
[11:12] <seaLne> ah
[11:14] <Tm_T> seaLne: don't say that doesn't look like KDE! ;-P
[11:14] <seaLne> "andre" really needs to edit his image :)
[11:14] <Tm_T> hehe
[11:15] <Tm_T> yeah, that's andre duffeck (?)
[11:15] <Tonio_> Tm_T: do you have an idea concerning the patch ?
[11:15] <Tonio_> I may ask to tomas when available
[11:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I think it uses some "global" variable, something like KIconSize 
[11:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I agree but I'd like to know where it is defined :)
[11:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: well KIconSize is kdelibs stuff
[11:17] <Tm_T> iirc
[11:18] <Tm_T> aah, KIcon::SizeLarge or something
[11:20] <Tm_T> hmm, sizelarge is 48
[11:21] <Tonio_> Tm_T: the value we are searching is 46, not 48
[11:21] <Tonio_> here is the problem :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> yeah
[11:25] <Tm_T> hmm, no, can't find it
[11:25] <Tm_T> and I have to go to sleep I think, so good night folks ->
[11:32] <Tonio_> night Tm_T
[11:47] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[11:47] <raphink> pong
[11:48] <Tonio_> dis moi j'ai un patch a faire pour kicker et je capte pas pourquoi ca marche pas
[11:48] <Tonio_> ca me rend dingue
[11:48] <Tonio_> tu peux me dire ce que tu en penses ?
[11:48] <raphink> hmm dis toujours
[11:48] <Tonio_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21024
[11:48] <Tonio_> voila le patch
[11:48] <Tonio_> le principe c'est de patcher kicker pour que la taille "normale" soit a 48 et pas 46
[11:49] <Tonio_> pour avoir le systray sur deux lignes par defaut
[11:49] <Tonio_> il me semble avoir tout mis et je capte pas pourquoi ca n'a aucun effet
[11:49] <Tonio_> meme avec un profil vierge
[11:52] <raphink> a priori a parait bon Tonio_
[11:52] <raphink> meme si je n'ai pas tout le code pour voir a
[11:52] <Tonio_> bah c bien le probleme
[11:53] <Tonio_> c'est justement que tout a l'air bon et que j'ai pass des heures a chercher dans tout le code pour que ca marche
[11:53] <Tonio_> et ca ne marche pas........
[11:53] <Tonio_> ca commence a me prendre la tete
[11:53] <Tonio_> je pense a envoyer un mail au dev de kicker eventuellement parceque la je vois pas quoi faire d'autre
[11:54] <raphink> ok
[11:54] <raphink> a parait bien aussi :)
[11:54] <raphink> bon moi je suis parti pour gnrer 72x4 fichiers svg
[11:54] <raphink> soit 288 selon katapult
[11:55] <raphink> on va commencer par les 72 premiers et on verra aprs
[11:55] <raphink> :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> raphink: sachant que katapult marche pas sur ma machine sans que je sache pourquoi.......... je pourrais pas t'en dire grand chose
[12:00] <raphink> :s
[12:04] <raphink> pfiew a va tre marrant mon truc