[03:36] <kwwii_> moin
[05:26] <troy_s> greetz kwwii_ -- ltns
[05:26] <kwwii_> hey troy_s, wassup?
[05:26] <troy_s> Usual fuddle.
[05:26] <troy_s> Yourself?
[05:27] <kwwii_> well, theoretically, I am on vacation in america
[05:27] <troy_s> Ahh...
[05:27] <troy_s> Doing what?
[05:27] <kwwii_> practically, I am working on the login screen
[05:27] <kwwii_> :-)
[05:27] <troy_s> (Did you know that Xara .7 now has rough SVG import in place?)
[05:28] <troy_s> Why in america?
[05:28] <kwwii_> troy_s: well, I was born here, and my family is here
[05:28] <troy_s> Ah, now I get it.
[05:28] <kwwii_> so I am here with my wife and son (at my Moms' place now)
[05:28] <kwwii_> not too much of a vacation really
[05:28] <troy_s> Indeed.
[05:28] <kwwii_> it ends up being more work than fun
[05:29] <kwwii_> I really wish I could build xara on my ppc
[05:29] <troy_s> Well I have been busy too, trying to hook up with fschoep has been rather like juggling chainsaws.
[05:29] <kwwii_> I am seriously thinking about buying another laptop (intel this time) to run linux on
[05:29] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:29] <troy_s> Xara runs terrific on my box... even in 32 bit emul mode.
[05:29] <kwwii_> I will be seeing him in a few days, I guess that is why he is offline now
[05:30] <troy_s> I am bumping to the 4x4 in a month or so...
[05:30] <troy_s> X2 now with 4 gigs of ram.
[05:30] <kwwii_> the developer sprint tends to be a lot of work
[05:30] <kwwii_> hehe, killer
[05:30] <troy_s> Going to quad quad amd when it is released.
[05:31] <troy_s> Dev sprint with no sabdfl though...
[05:31] <kwwii_> really?
[05:31] <kwwii_> wow, that should be somewhat different
[05:31] <troy_s> Well you are talking about the sprint right?
[05:31] <kwwii_> yepp
[05:31] <troy_s> I don't think he hits those... only the release ones.
[05:31] <troy_s> But I might be wrong.
[05:31] <kwwii_> he was at the last one, and he was very active
[05:32] <troy_s> Hrm... where is the wiki link -- he is usually listed on them no?
[05:32] <kwwii_> at that time I still had no idea that there was a wiki :p
[05:36] <troy_s> Well hopefully Frank will keep the torch burning.
[05:37] <troy_s> My bloody email has finally quieted down for a week thanks to Frank being in deep.
[05:37] <troy_s> ;)
[05:37] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:38] <troy_s> Hopefully Frank will get the Proposal close doc officially announced.
[05:39] <kwwii_> next week should solidify things a lot
[05:40] <troy_s> Yes, we have been flurrying emails when we can.
[05:40] <troy_s> Hrm... mdz is here I see.
[05:40] <troy_s> Interesting.
[05:41] <troy_s> How goes the Kubuntu related things?  Slow?
[05:42] <kwwii_> well, on the stuff that I have done, things are going well...what we really need so more community contributions
[05:42] <kwwii_> s/so/is
[05:42] <troy_s> Well you won't get it without stimulating it.
[05:43] <troy_s> Simple byproduct of critical mass theory.
[05:44] <troy_s> Do you have a wiki page with the updated bits on it?
[05:45] <kwwii_> pretty much everything is on the exitsting wiki page...right now I have limited internet access so I'll be uploading the kdm and buttons sometime within a couple of days
[05:45] <kwwii_> I guess you mean that I should increase the emails to the list concerning kubuntu?
[05:46] <kwwii_> I was kinda trying to avoid using the list too much, as it seemed that we wanted to stick to the wiki for that kind of stuff
[05:46] <troy_s> Naw... it really is an announcement venue -- I would utilize it and lead the troops that are out there.
[05:47] <troy_s> We have quite a few contributors, and a simple request note could very well generate some response, especially if it is well timed.
[05:47] <kwwii_> I actually did send some emails with info and asking for contribution when I updated the wiki pages
[05:48] <troy_s> Jmak and who to say the least have been very productive.
[05:48] <troy_s> I am hoping that Frank's roll in for Production will be explanatory enough to constrain the elements.
[05:48] <kwwii_> true, and I asked who to help with kubuntu but it seems he doesn't want to
[05:48] <troy_s> Hrm... did he mail to that effect?
[05:48] <troy_s> Obviously time constraints impact everyone.
[05:48] <kwwii_> nope
[05:49] <kwwii_> I thought about taking some of his stuff, playing with it a bit and then ask for his help :-)
[05:49] <troy_s> I have been sending him a plethora of my reference library stuffs.
[05:49] <troy_s> Probably a good way to go about it :)
[05:49] <troy_s> I have some wonderful palettes that I need to XCF too... Mr. Krause's work
[05:49] <troy_s> very skilled fellow that guy... I guess that explains his publishing record.
[05:50] <kwwii_> hehe
[05:51] <troy_s> Have some pretty interesting ideas for a campaign, but still needs development.  Hopefully I can find enough time between now and the next Summit.
[05:51] <troy_s> Are you familiar with any of the design movements?
[05:52] <kwwii_> I have been staying on top of the ubuntu stuff as well, yeah
[05:52] <kwwii_> not quite sure I agreed with some of the GTK stuff, but otherwise it is coming along nicely
[05:53] <troy_s> What GTK stuff... must have missed it.
[05:53] <kwwii_> the widget stuff
[05:53] <troy_s> The single man flailfest?
[05:53] <troy_s> Oh god... yeah.
[05:53] <troy_s> I don't think anyone is really paying too much attention.
[05:53] <kwwii_> but I really wish that kubuntu had that many people working on it
[05:54] <kwwii_> it would really make things easier for me :p
[05:54] <troy_s> You familiar with lissitzky
[05:54] <troy_s> well you need to stimulate it really... give the folks the architecture.
[05:55] <kwwii_> I guess I was not used to juggling doing the artwork and coordinating it from a community standpoint
[05:56] <troy_s> Suprematism / Lissitzky?
[05:56] <kwwii_> nope
[05:56] <troy_s> Wow.
[05:56] <troy_s> Very amazing fellow... you should google him.
[05:56] <troy_s> 1919 and his stylistic cleavings still have leverage on contemporary design.
[05:57] <kwwii_> wikipedia, gotta love it
[05:57] <kwwii_> sounds very interesting
[05:58] <troy_s> Heavy avant garde fellow... but I am thinking it would quite remarkable and distinct to base a 'campaign' on stylistic tendencies of certain periods.
[05:58] <troy_s> Very interesting, and it would probably go a long way to attracting more artists.
[05:59] <troy_s> There must be a wikipedia page on suprematism no?
[05:59] <kwwii_> reading it now
[05:59] <troy_s> Wow.
[05:59] <kwwii_> das zielbewute Schaffen
[05:59] <troy_s> They don't have the damn wedge work from lissitzsky though... sort of a classic in the genre.
[06:00] <kwwii_> killer
[06:00] <troy_s> Amazing stuff eh?
[06:01] <troy_s> You found his wedge?  I bet google has it...
[06:01] <troy_s> http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en&hs=9Sa&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sa=N&resnum=0&q=lissitzky%20wedge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&tab=wi
[06:01] <troy_s> A truly remarkable artist.
[06:02] <kwwii_> wow
[06:02] <kwwii_> yeah, amazing
[06:02] <kwwii_> killer
[06:04] <troy_s> If the marketing team were at a decent level, it would be an interesting venture.
[06:04] <troy_s> Combine the various movements with the notions that they implied, and draw an Ubuntu analogy to each.
[06:05] <kwwii_> hehe
[06:05] <troy_s> I think it would make for a distint and striking series of posters.
[06:06] <troy_s> Have a Dada, Suprematism, Cubist, etc.
[06:06] <kwwii_> yeah
[06:06] <kwwii_> no doubt
[06:07] <troy_s> http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/digitized_collections/lissitzky/5_theories/images/Liss037L.jpg
[06:07] <troy_s> You could probably take that lissitzsky somewhere... ;)
[06:08] <kwwii_> no doubt
[06:09] <troy_s> Wow... wikepedia even has some of his personal letters to folks... very nifty.
[06:11] <kwwii_> I really love it
[06:16] <kwwii_> ok, gonna do some work now
[04:57] <PingunZ> cool, forums are down again :)
[04:58] <PingunZ> sorry, wrong channel :)
[11:06] <PingunZ> hey, can I help someone ?
[11:06] <PingunZ> I kinda have nothing to do