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| pygi | elkbuntu, hey hey :) | 12:45 |
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| doko | seb128: hi font breaker ;-P | 01:00 |
| seb128 | doko: I broke some font? | 01:00 |
| doko | some users did complain about new libcairo (?) | 01:01 |
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| seb128 | doko: not that I know of | 01:02 |
| seb128 | doko: we got no bug about libcairo recently and nobody complained on IRC neither | 01:02 |
| zyga | doko: how did the bug manifest itself? | 01:05 |
| givre | Sorry, but if you speak abuout font problem, it's due to a compiz upgrade | 01:07 |
| givre | http://www.compiz.net/topic-3116-fonts-are-now-complete-crap | 01:07 |
| givre | from the quinn's repo | 01:08 |
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| seb128 | if a binary package is renamed (actually a lib changing soname and shipping conflicting content (it should use a -common but the package comes from Debian like that)), what should be used. Replaces? Conflicts,Replaces? | 01:44 |
| pitti | seb128: for a library, C/R seems appropriate | 01:46 |
| seb128 | ok, what I though, thank you | 01:46 |
| pitti | seb128: Provides doesn't seem necessary for a library | 01:46 |
| seb128 | and it would be wrong | 01:46 |
| seb128 | since the soname changed | 01:46 |
| pitti | that, too | 01:46 |
| seb128 | so it doesn't provide the previous one | 01:46 |
| pitti | with soname libraries conflicting to each other, much of the reason for soname package naming is lost, though :/ | 01:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, as said it comes from Debian | 01:47 |
| pitti | s/soname libaries/library packages/ | 01:47 |
| seb128 | and I spotted the error when uploading yesterday | 01:47 |
| pitti | seb128: I hope the transition is not too big then | 01:47 |
| seb128 | but for some reason -0ubuntu1 got accepted from NEW and -0ubuntu2 rejected because the .orig.tar.gz was not found | 01:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's the glade-3 lib, no transition | 01:48 |
| pitti | ah | 01:48 |
| seb128 | the Debian maintainer screwed and forgot to change the soname | 01:48 |
| seb128 | I spotted it like 5 min after upload | 01:48 |
| seb128 | but since the NEW approval screwed the fixed version I've to Conflicts, Replaces now :p | 01:48 |
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| bddebian | Heya folks | 02:00 |
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| lastnode | imbrandon, ping? :) | 03:48 |
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| imbrandon | lastnode: pong | 03:50 |
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| lastnode | imbrandon, wondering if you got an email, or if i misspelled the address | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | lastnode: just going over my email now, sure put me on the group list | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | might be a few days before i get totaly caught up thought to poke the code well ;) | 03:51 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, sure, no hurry at all. btw the source is pretty old now, been doing some updates | 03:51 |
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| lastnode | imbrandon, you know of a site that might offer some temp svn access? | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | hrm i could setup a svn server on imbrandon.com pretty easy i thinkor there is always sf.net | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | thought about bzr ? bzr > svn ;) | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | no server req either | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:53 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, heh. for now, it would be safer to use something everyone knows how to? i know basically nothing about bazaar | 03:53 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, i want to make this a little more stable and decide on a name before i reg on sf.net | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | easy to get the basics, bzr checkout http://dsfgs , bzr commit -m "comment here" | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:54 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, is it free to sign up? i guess we could use it for now? | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | free to signup for what ? | 03:54 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, btw, some new output samples - http://dawnstudios.com/sandbox/mahangu/?p=16 | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | k | 03:54 |
| lastnode | the 406 i mentioned in the email, seems to be server specific | 03:54 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, i mean, bazaar server, would you host it? | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | yea i can host , it requires nothgin but ssh accounts for sftp, i can setup it all up this evening and shoot you an email with a bzr primer, you could pick up the basics in 15 minutes, its realy nice | 03:56 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, is the bzr source released yet? | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | yes | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | apt-get source bzr | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:56 |
| lastnode | sweet | 03:56 |
| lastnode | im just wondeirng though | 03:56 |
| lastnode | for my friends on debian | 03:56 |
| lastnode | gentoo etc | 03:56 |
| lastnode | how would that work? | 03:56 |
| lastnode | from source? | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | also LP can / will host bzr branches too for registered products | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | bzr is in debian too, and it should run fine on any distro | 03:57 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, you think LP will host something as obscure as this? | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | sure , lets take this to a temp channell not to clutter up in here and i'll explain it a bit | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | join #imbrandon | 03:58 |
| DShepherd | i hear X is broke in edgy.. is it true? | 03:58 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, #taprobane | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | kk | 03:58 |
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| nixternal | daily/alternate doesn't fit on a disk ;( | 06:30 |
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| DShepherd | is there any plans for tracker to be in edgy? or available for installation? | 08:39 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 09:56 |
| hunger | hi | 09:56 |
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| pitti | mvo: is there an easy way to disable this silly 'FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet' warning with the python apt module? | 12:19 |
| StevenK | Remove the raise FutureWarning? :-P | 12:24 |
| mvo | pitti: from warnings import warn | 12:29 |
| mvo | pitti: warnings.filterwarnings("ignore", "apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning) | 12:29 |
| mvo | err | 12:29 |
| mvo | make that first line | 12:29 |
| mvo | import warnings :) | 12:29 |
| mvo | then import apt | 12:30 |
| pitti | ah, cool | 12:30 |
| pitti | mvo: much better, thank you | 12:30 |
| mvo | pitti: I had a look at the python gettext code yesterday, what is the current langpack policy? if we have a mo file in the langpack use it, if not use the original translation? if that is the case I will fix the python script | 12:30 |
| pitti | mvo: no, the other way round | 12:31 |
| mvo | aha, ok | 12:31 |
| pitti | mvo: i. e. /usr/share/locale is prefered over /usr/share/locale-langpack | 12:31 |
| pitti | to not break local builds | 12:31 |
| mvo | doko: here? | 12:34 |
| doko | mvo: sure | 12:35 |
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| robtaylor | hmm, if i want to build a patched dapper kernel, do i just need to update changelong and do debian/rules bumpabi? | 12:37 |
| robtaylor | s/changelong/chaiselongue/ s/chaiselongue/changelog | 12:38 |
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| mvo | doko: I will do a updated gettext patch for the langpacks for python today, should I just upload it? or send it to you and you do it on your next scheduled upload? | 12:39 |
| doko | mvo: please go ahead, but apply it for both python2.4 and python2.5 | 12:40 |
| mvo | doko: ok, thanks | 12:41 |
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| Riddell | mvo: do you have any examples of third party "channels" files? | 12:53 |
| mvo | Riddell: try the "omnis" one in app-install-data-commercial | 12:53 |
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| Riddell | mvo: ah, that's where it is. why the separate package? | 12:53 |
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| mvo | Riddell: because we exptected it to be updated quite frequently. and app-install-data is pretty big (some MB). that would be a pain for the users to download | 12:54 |
| Riddell | right, thanks | 12:54 |
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| Zdra | Hi, is it normal that daily build are all over-sized ? What's the last daily which is <700M ? | 01:07 |
| rodarvus | anyone running Dapper *and* using i810 is willing to test an updated version of the i810 driver for me? | 01:08 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: I can | 01:08 |
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| StevenK | rodarvus: I can on amd64, if you like. | 01:09 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02) --> that's ok to test ? | 01:09 |
| rodarvus | StevenK, oh, I only have i386 locally - but it would be nice if you could recompile the package I generated on amd64 | 01:09 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, sure - I'm uploading the package right now :) | 01:10 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: What are you doing without an amd64? :-P | 01:10 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: But, sure, point me at source. | 01:10 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/ | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, StevenK: thanks :) | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, it is not normal for daily builds to be oversized, but Kamion and Mithrandir are on vacations and thus, unable to care for them | 01:12 |
| rodarvus | (they'll be back next week, though) | 01:12 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: just dpkg -i and restart X and say if it starts ? or something more to test ? | 01:12 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: ok | 01:12 |
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| rodarvus | yes, this is the most important test | 01:13 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, please send me /var/log/Xorg.0.log, too | 01:13 |
| StevenK | Heh, my first test is if the fragging thing builds. :-P | 01:13 |
| rodarvus | rodarvus at ubuntu.com | 01:13 |
| === rodarvus crosses his fingers | ||
| StevenK | rodarvus: And toes? | 01:14 |
| StevenK | Whee, compiler warnings. | 01:14 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, playing video & testing DRI would be nice too | 01:15 |
| rodarvus | StevenK, please send me the .build so I can take a look at it, if it possible | 01:15 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: Oh, damn you. :-P | 01:15 |
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| === StevenK rebuilds it, this time through tee. | ||
| rodarvus | StevenK, use debuild, it saves the .build automatically for you | 01:16 |
| rodarvus | or even better, use pbuildere | 01:16 |
| rodarvus | pbuilder | 01:16 |
| StevenK | I am. | 01:16 |
| StevenK | I wasn't aware that pbuilder saves logs. | 01:17 |
| rodarvus | hmm, no it doesn't | 01:17 |
| rodarvus | :) | 01:17 |
| StevenK | -rw-r--r-- 1 steven users 53K 2006-08-18 21:17 ../xserver-xorg-driver-i810-1.6.5_amd64.build | 01:17 |
| StevenK | Anyway, I've gotten you one. | 01:17 |
| rodarvus | you need to pass --logfile for it to save the .build | 01:18 |
| === StevenK will keep that snippet in mind. | ||
| rodarvus | (I added it to my helper scripts long ago and forgot) | 01:18 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I have my own. | 01:18 |
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| StevenK | Well, it also installs. | 01:19 |
| === StevenK tries it. | ||
| shackan | unrelated, but is xgl useable now with an i810 ? | 01:21 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: ok it starts, movie are OK but glxgear is very slow and have errors | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, did glxgears used to run well on your previous driver? | 01:22 |
| Zdra | what's your email ? I can send you logs and error msg | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | rodarvus at ubuntu.com | 01:22 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: yes | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | oh, well. | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | then this version of i810 driver really needs mesa 6.5 | 01:23 |
| rodarvus | and is unsuitable for a dapper update :/ | 01:23 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: It works. | 01:23 |
| rodarvus | thats sad news because it fixes loads of other bugs | 01:23 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: GL has never actually worked for me, though. :-) | 01:24 |
| StevenK | steven@liquified:~% glxgears | 01:24 |
| StevenK | ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver | 01:24 |
| StevenK | It even goes bang now. | 01:24 |
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| rodarvus | StevenK, what "goes bang" means? :) | 01:24 |
| rodarvus | sorry, non-native english speaker here | 01:24 |
| HiddenWolf | rodarvus: doesn't work. :) | 01:28 |
| HiddenWolf | rodarvus: goes bang -> blows up | 01:28 |
| rodarvus | ahn | 01:28 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: I send you logs by mail ;) | 01:28 |
| rodarvus | HiddenWolf, thanks for the translation :) | 01:28 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, I'm reading them now, thanks! | 01:29 |
| Zdra | rodarvus: need more testing ? because I'm on public machines at university so I have to reverse to normal driver before quiting :p | 01:29 |
| rodarvus | Zdra, no, that was all the testing I needed, thanks a lot for the test! | 01:30 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: Right, sorry, I was afk. | 01:30 |
| rodarvus | StevenK, thanks for testing it too! | 01:30 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: You'd like the .build and Xorg.0.log? | 01:30 |
| rodarvus | StevenK, sure | 01:31 |
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| StevenK | rodarvus: Sent. | 01:33 |
| StevenK | Well, it's hit fiordland.u.c, anyway | 01:33 |
| rodarvus | :) | 01:34 |
| StevenK | rodarvus: So, is it going into Dapper? | 01:34 |
| rodarvus | not really | 01:35 |
| rodarvus | (at least, not now) | 01:35 |
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| rodarvus | StevenK, its up to you, really | 01:35 |
| rodarvus | if you haven't noticed any new problem | 01:36 |
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| StevenK | rodarvus: Hopefully, I'm getting an Nvidia in a few weeks, so it might even get purged. | 01:39 |
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| lastnode | infinity, ping? | 02:27 |
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| tepsipakki | hi, ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable because of missing packages, and these should be rebuilt: at-spi, bluez-pin, bug-buddy, ekiga, evolution-webcal, gnome-mag, gnome-media, libgtkhtml2 | 03:11 |
| tepsipakki | ..against the new libgail, libbluetooth, libebook or libecal | 03:12 |
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| Hobbsee | doko: any reason you didnt subscribe the archive to tomcat5 sync request? want me to fix it? | 03:29 |
| doko | Hobbsee: no, have to check something first ... | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | doko: ah, cool. just saw it come up in -bugs, and wasnt sure who had done it, if it was right, etc | 03:30 |
| === Hobbsee keeps seeing the odd bug done by a non-MOTU, where they havent actually subscribed anyone to get anything done with it | ||
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| simira | mvo_: any known issues with update-manager now? Something's not right with me at least | 03:46 |
| mvo_ | simira: no, sorry. I did not managed to reproduce this yet :( | 03:47 |
| simira | mvo_: I meant if you had som other problems. I just got "Failed to download update-list", or something like that | 03:47 |
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| simira | mvo_: I can take some time next week to re-test and confirm or close the update-manager bugs I have reported, and you can have a hands-on look on those who remain. | 03:50 |
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| mvo_ | simira: that sounds good, I would really like to figure what caused those problems | 03:54 |
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| robtaylor | mjg59: whats the right way to patch a dapper kernel? | 04:48 |
| mjg59 | robtaylor: I grab git, patch it, and send a diff to Ben | 04:49 |
| robtaylor | mjg59: apt-get source linux-kernel-foo, patch, bump changelong and bumpabi? | 04:49 |
| robtaylor | ah | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | But I don't think that's what you want :) | 04:49 |
| mjg59 | Bump ABI if ABI breaks | 04:49 |
| zul | robtaylor: download the dapper git tree, create a patch and send diff | 04:49 |
| robtaylor | probably not | 04:49 |
| robtaylor | zul: i'm testing LTTng, i'm not sure ben would be interested in the patch ;) | 04:49 |
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| zul | LTTng? | 04:50 |
| robtaylor | linux trace toolkit, new stuff | 04:50 |
| zul | ah...edgy-git then | 04:50 |
| zul | wont get into dapper then probably if you do send a patch | 04:51 |
| robtaylor | no, as mjg59 guess, i just want to build a dapper kernel package with all the crazy ubuntu stuff +LTTng | 04:51 |
| robtaylor | later i'll see about getting it in edgy ;) | 04:52 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, can you promote ltspfs and ltspfsd to main ... pitti said its ok, even we have to fix stuff in the code | 04:52 |
| robtaylor | zul: its probably just best to wait for it to go into kernel proper though, some bits are not considered clean enough yet | 04:53 |
| desrt | robtaylor; is this a dtrace equiv? | 04:53 |
| Riddell | mvo_: do you know that gnome-app-install isn't installable? | 04:54 |
| robtaylor | desrt: well, yes and no | 04:54 |
| robtaylor | desrt: its rather a different design (post-processeing rather than pre-processing) | 04:55 |
| Keybuk | ogra: they don't appear to be approved | 04:55 |
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| ogra | Keybuk, they arent ... but i need them in main and pitti said its fine with him since we'll resolve open issues together at the sprint anyway | 04:56 |
| desrt | robtaylor; but same idea, right? | 04:56 |
| === Keybuk looks at pitti | ||
| desrt | robtaylor; in terms of what it does for me | 04:56 |
| ogra | Keybuk, he's gone after telling me that :/ | 04:56 |
| robtaylor | desrt: well, in dtrace you can write scripts that do things at event points | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | heh fair enough | 04:57 |
| robtaylor | desrt: in LTT, you do the trace and then process the data | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | we can always beat you to death next week if you're LYING | 04:57 |
| desrt | oh. i see what you mean. | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | ...or if you bring those shorts again | 04:57 |
| desrt | that's slightly less powerful. | 04:57 |
| ogra | Keybuk, exactly ... or make me pay all the beer :) | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | make sure you see them | 04:57 |
| robtaylor | desrt: dtrace is heavier in terms of resource usage, but more dynamic and easier for sysadmins | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | seed them | 04:57 |
| ogra | yup | 04:57 |
| Keybuk | done | 04:58 |
| robtaylor | desrt: LTT is light, but you end up with more data and you can't make arbitary things happen when the events occur | 04:58 |
| ogra | thanks a lot :) | 04:58 |
| desrt | robtaylor; thanks for the description. | 04:59 |
| robtaylor | desrt: there in't really an equiv of dtrace for linux yet :/ | 04:59 |
| robtaylor | desrt: np | 04:59 |
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| mvo_ | Riddell: what is the error? seems to be ok here | 05:00 |
| lfittl | ogra: any news about blender 2.42 / ffmpeg support as a plugin? (just out of interest) | 05:02 |
| Riddell | mvo_: gnome-app-install: Depends: python-gtk2 (>= 2.4.0) but it is not going to be installed | 05:02 |
| Riddell | Depends: python-gnome2-extras (>= 2.11.3) but it is not going to be installed | 05:02 |
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| Riddell | Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed | 05:02 |
| Riddell | mvo_: I have python2.4-gtk2 not python-gtk2 | 05:02 |
| bddebian | Howdy folks | 05:03 |
| geser | python-gtk2 is definitely there. have you tried to install it explicitly? | 05:06 |
| ogra | lfittl, nope, had no time yet | 05:06 |
| ogra | Keybuk, i have another small problem ... with udev on thin clients ... | 05:08 |
| Keybuk | oh aye? | 05:09 |
| ogra | for pre-plugged devices we write to a chache file (.delayed-mounts) so if the ssh socket from the login is available the deamon we run can mount them | 05:09 |
| ogra | now thin client have a read only filesystem and only specific dirs and files get bind monted to a tmpfs | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | right | 05:10 |
| ogra | /tmp among them ... so we loose content of tmp during a small period of time on boot ... | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | even real Ubuntu systems are read-only at the point udev runs | 05:10 |
| ogra | our udev scripts usually write to /tmp/.delayed-mounts | 05:11 |
| Keybuk | why not /var/run, out of interest? | 05:11 |
| ogra | well, /var/run would work as well ... | 05:11 |
| ogra | doesnt matter whare | 05:11 |
| ogra | *where | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | right, carry on | 05:12 |
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| ogra | hmm ... i get it ... i should exclude /var/run from the second time bind mounting to tmpfs i guess :P | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | right ;) | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't matter so much whether you have one tmpfs, or a dozen different tmpfs | 05:13 |
| ogra | yep | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | they use the same pages anyway | 05:13 |
| Riddell | enrico: I don't suppose you've any idea why debtags in edgy is broken? | 05:13 |
| ogra | well, i missed the fact that we already have it as tmpfs but the ltsp code dates back to a time where that wasnt the case | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | this is amongst the reasons we have it as a tmpfs in the first place | 05:14 |
| ogra | so it gets bind mounted a second time on thin client configuration :) | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | several things udev runs need to write cache/pid/etc. files | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | does that re-mounting not break network ? | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | you'd lose /var/run/network | 05:14 |
| ogra | no | 05:14 |
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| ogra | apparently not | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | interesting, sure that lo is in there after the remount? | 05:14 |
| ogra | nope, lo isnt there at all | 05:15 |
| ogra | (and never wasnt) | 05:15 |
| ogra | s/wasnt/was/ | 05:15 |
| Keybuk | that'd probably fix that too | 05:15 |
| ogra | right | 05:15 |
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| ogra | hmm, speeds up the boot a bit :) | 05:17 |
| ogra | but i have no lo :) | 05:18 |
| ogra | night be because i dont run the startup scripts for it ;) | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | One of these days, I'll figure out how XKB works enough to fix it. | 05:19 |
| === wasabi_ beats xkb | ||
| bddebian | wasabi_: Good luck with that :-) | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | This system has had neverending problems with it. g-s-d can't set the xkb settings, setxkbmap can't. | 05:20 |
| wasabi_ | And try as I might I can't figure out how xkb even works. ;0 | 05:20 |
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| ogra | yay, it mounts :) | 05:28 |
| ogra | Thanks ! Keybuk | 05:29 |
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| ogra | hmm | 05:45 |
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| moberg_ | today there was a update to gnome-terminal, after I installed it, gnome-terminal crashes frequently | 06:23 |
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| === bluefoxicy looks into kexec | ||
| Seveas | moberg_, disable quinsstorms repos and yell at quinn | 06:52 |
| Seveas | it's not an Ubuntu update | 06:52 |
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| lunitik | Sorry to disturb, where would be an appropriate place to discuss Community Council related issues? | 06:53 |
| zul | at the community council | 06:54 |
| lunitik | zul, which would be where? sorry, I was banned, since I have reviewed and signed the Code of Conduct and wish to be given another shot around the community... specifically #ubuntu | 06:55 |
| bluefoxicy | Seveas: from a politics point of view, nobody is going to go for making shutdown->restart restart Linux instead of the machine, are they? | 06:55 |
| zul | you might want to try #ubuntu-ops | 06:55 |
| lunitik | zul, will do, thank you | 06:56 |
| Seveas | bluefoxicy, -EPARSE | 06:56 |
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| bluefoxicy | Seveas: I'm looking at getting things to use kexec instead of actually reboot. An MSI board I had took 18 seconds to reach grub; another user i know has an MSI board that takes 25 seconds to reach grub. These are Athlon 64s. I think my current gigabyte takes about 10 seconds | 06:57 |
| Treenaks | bluefoxicy: kexec is nice, but what if you want to reboot into some other OS you're dualbooting? | 06:58 |
| Seveas | it might be nice for lmanul, adding another button to th overcrowded logout dialog | 06:58 |
| bluefoxicy | I'm thinking I can definitely say it's safe to make the "System Restart Required" dialoog kexec; I don't know about just replacing the current Reboot functionality | 06:59 |
| bluefoxicy | Treenaks: shutdown? :) | 06:59 |
| bluefoxicy | Seveas: that would be confusing. "Restart" "Reload"? "WTF?" would be the reaction :) | 06:59 |
| Treenaks | bluefoxicy: how safe is kexec? | 06:59 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: Ubuntu should just use the upstream dialogs.. I do | 06:59 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: they're great compared to the button mash | 07:00 |
| bluefoxicy | Treenaks: it's .... pretty old. I believe it's maintained, it's been in there for a bit and IIRC Linus likes it so it's probably stable; some testing is needed, as with anything. | 07:00 |
| bluefoxicy | oh | 07:00 |
| bluefoxicy | you can load-panic too, something Linus wanted, kernel panic -> immediately load new kernel :) | 07:01 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't see a way to load an initrd. :( | 07:01 |
| === bluefoxicy notices the man page is incomplete! --initrd=FILE Use FILE as the kernel's initial ramdisk. --append=STRING Set the kernel command line to STRING. | ||
| lunitik | Seveas is unwilling to give me a chance, is there another route I can take? I really want to be a good community member, and avoid disagreements entirely. | 07:03 |
| lunitik | Only thing I can do to give back in provide support for people, and I plan to do that as well as I can. | 07:03 |
| Seveas | lunitik, come to a community council meeting and do NOT mess in here -- this is not an escalation channel | 07:03 |
| lunitik | I just want another chance. | 07:04 |
| lunitik | Seveas, you've banned me from all the other Ubuntu related channels I know of now... when is the next council meeting? | 07:04 |
| Seveas | lunitik, wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 07:04 |
| Seveas | fwiw, you can be active in other places besides IRC too | 07:05 |
| lunitik | Seveas, not as effectively. I enjoy helping people on IRC. Disagreements happen on this medium though. | 07:06 |
| Seveas | lunitik, which part of "do NOT mess in here -- this is not an escalation channel" is so hard to understand? | 07:06 |
| lunitik | I do not like forums or mailing lists, its more difficult to really assist people. 5 years experience with Debian shouldn't go to waist simply because I'm not currently using Debian. | 07:07 |
| lunitik | Seveas, sorry... I'll be at the meeting. | 07:07 |
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| pygi_ | who feels like doing some testing right now? :) | 07:09 |
| Seveas | pygi_, depends on how hard and hum much it might break | 07:10 |
| pygi_ | Seveas, might break none, I need testing for "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer | 07:10 |
| Seveas | hmm, /me has no bank cds | 07:11 |
| azeem | pygi: what are you using for that? | 07:11 |
| pygi | azeem, I am writing that :) | 07:11 |
| azeem | oh, o | 07:11 |
| azeem | so you extend libburn, or you write a cdrecord replacement which uses libburn? | 07:11 |
| === pygi is libburn's upstream | ||
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| azeem | ah, you're one of the people forking it? | 07:12 |
| azeem | I see | 07:12 |
| pygi | azeem, that no good word, but whatever | 07:14 |
| sivang | azeem: I understood it was abandomed by its maintainer, so that's not exactly forking ? | 07:14 |
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| feloness | 33 check it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389 | 07:15 |
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| azeem | does anybody know whether a Ubuntu precense is planned for the Systems expo in Munich in late October? | 07:26 |
| === bddebian doesn't know anything :) | ||
| zul | azeem: might want to check with jono | 07:28 |
| pygi | Seveas, poke | 07:28 |
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| bluefoxicy | kexec_load function not implemented | 07:35 |
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| zul | hey rodarvus | 07:35 |
| bluefoxicy | shet. It's on in edgy, not on in dapper. | 07:36 |
| rodarvus | hey zul | 07:36 |
| bluefoxicy | well, I guess it's time my laptop flirts with edgy. | 07:36 |
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| bluefoxicy | it worked | 07:50 |
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| bluefoxicy | but I had to patch /etc/init.d/reboot | 07:51 |
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| bluefoxicy | k I made a post on -devel@ | 08:15 |
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| Keybuk | so, right, why isn't there an ssh-askpass-gnome-keyring ? | 08:17 |
| bluefoxicy | it'll take 3 scripts, a tweak at /etc/init.d/reboot, and a poke at the System Restart Required dialog or wherever else you wanna use it. | 08:17 |
| bluefoxicy | hi buk | 08:17 |
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| Amaranth | Keybuk: it'd be so cool to have that and pam_keyring, you could just login and have all your stuff work | 08:27 |
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| moberg_ | is there any edgy isos available for download? | 08:34 |
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| welshbyte | moberg_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/ WARNING: use at your own risk | 08:37 |
| moberg_ | welshbyte: sweet, i'm going to install edgy in a virtual machine and test an application that i'm developing | 08:38 |
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| enrico | Riddell: I had no idea it was broken, either... | 09:11 |
| enrico | Riddell: any pointers? | 09:11 |
| Riddell | enrico: debtags cat just gives no tag for all items | 09:12 |
| Riddell | it's the same source as in debian | 09:13 |
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| enrico | Riddell: can you send me a strace? | 09:21 |
| enrico | Riddell: and a ls -la /var/lib/debtags | 09:21 |
| enrico | Riddell: and a cat /etc/debtags/sources.list | 09:21 |
| enrico | Riddell: and a apt-cache dumpavail|grep ^Tag | wc -l | 09:22 |
| enrico | I think that's it | 09:22 |
| Riddell | enrico: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DEBTAGS | 09:22 |
| enrico | Riddell: I suspect that the reason is having "tags apt://" in the debtags sources.list but no tags in the packages file | 09:22 |
| enrico | Riddell: if that is the case, try adding "tags http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/tags/" to /etc/debtags/sources.list and run 'debtags update' | 09:24 |
| Riddell | enrico: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DEBTAGS-COMMANDS | 09:24 |
| enrico | >apt-cache dumpavail|grep ^Tag | wc -l | 09:24 |
| enrico | 0 | 09:24 |
| enrico | gotcha | 09:24 |
| enrico | Riddell: that's it. | 09:24 |
| enrico | Riddell: does changing the debtags/sources.list and updating solve the issue? | 09:26 |
| Riddell | enrico: it does | 09:26 |
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| enrico | Riddell: then I guess either Ubuntu starts adding Tag: fields to the packages file, or the Ubuntu debtags ships getting the files from alioth | 09:27 |
| enrico | or, getting the files from a local directory | 09:27 |
| enrico | Riddell: debtags/sources.list supports file:// uris as well | 09:28 |
| Riddell | enrico: how come debian doesn't have this problem? | 09:28 |
| enrico | Riddell: Debian has Tag: fields in the Packages file | 09:28 |
| Riddell | right | 09:29 |
| _ion | o | 09:29 |
| _ion | Whoops. | 09:29 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 09:31 |
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| desrt | zul; -6 gives no love for not rebooting | 09:32 |
| === desrt waits to see with .17 | ||
| zul | desrt: ok... | 09:33 |
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| Oestrelata | 13 check this http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389 | 09:44 |
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| bluefoxicy | mdz: ping, are you about? | 10:08 |
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| sladen | Keybuk: I had at the back of my mind dropping powernowd for edgy and switching to the in-kernel ondemand governor; I'd forgotten about it, are you happy with it happening---it deals with issues involving multiple CPUs/cores | 10:22 |
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| RingerE | http://www.wsmfm.com/dogs/entries vote for molly, the cockerspaniel... if she gets enuogh votes i win crap ;o) | 10:26 |
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| mjg59 | rodarvus: Why does my libgl appear to be trying to open /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so rather than /usr/lib/i915_dri.so ? | 10:27 |
| mjg59 | Uh | 10:28 |
| mjg59 | /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so | 10:28 |
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| rodarvus | mjg59: configs/debian-dri is screwed. I'll upload a fix today | 10:29 |
| mjg59 | Ok, cool | 10:29 |
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| Kaleo | rodarvus: you're ace | 10:46 |
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| Keybuk | sladen: iirc, the ondemand governor does exactly the same thing as powernowd, no? | 10:55 |
| Keybuk | adjusts the speed based on the current load | 10:55 |
| pygi | Amaranth, poke | 10:57 |
| Amaranth | pygi: that hurts | 10:57 |
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