[01:00] <johnlittle> hiya peoples
[01:01] <jenda> alloha
[01:27] <johnlittle> great suse vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO9iHWe0_G4
[01:29] <jenda> your videos made me try out xgl
[01:29] <jenda> :)
[01:30] <jenda> Kororaa
[01:30] <jenda> It was cool
[01:30] <jenda> (The worse part is that my PC now refuses to boot...)
[01:30] <johnlittle> kororaa killed your pc?
[01:31] <jenda> I dunno - it seems.
[01:31] <jenda> Won't find the boot CD, and then it won't even find the HDD
[01:31] <johnlittle> check yoru bios setting
[01:31] <jenda> could have been my changing something in the BIOS...
[01:31] <jenda> yeah...
[01:31] <jenda> but... I don't recall that.
[01:31] <jenda> Let's see...
[01:32] <jenda> whoa
[01:32] <jenda> it works now
[01:32] <jenda> damn...
[01:33] <jenda> :-D
[01:33] <johnlittle> magic
[01:33] <johnlittle> rub some ubuntu on it
[01:33] <jenda> I took out the Kororaa CD - but I think I did that before too.
[01:33] <jenda> I've been rubbing Ubuntu and none else on that machine for a year (the Kororaa was the first other OS, really :) )
[01:34] <johnlittle> the Ubuntu Foundation found out about Kororaa and remotely killed your pc
[01:34] <jenda> In my household now, there are 3 used Ubuntu installations and one unused XP install (in dual boot, waiting for... the boot)...
[01:34] <jenda> :)
[01:35] <johnlittle> I'm about to buy a laptop..i want a big freakin widescreen with Xgl
[01:36] <jenda> yay :)
[01:36] <jenda> I bought a cheap one.
[01:36] <johnlittle> other than that i just have one pc..weird
[01:37] <jenda> Well, so do I. The dual boot lappy is my dads
[01:37] <jenda> funny - he has two OSes on one PC - I have one on two PCs 
[01:59] <johnlittle> wow elkbuntus video is the #7 tech video on youtube today
[02:36] <rjian> Hello people 8-)
[03:56] <johnlittle> http://education.zdnet.com/?p=414
[03:59] <elkbuntu> ick, sled
[03:59] <johnlittle> and Ubuntu
[04:00] <elkbuntu> i'm not long woken, i didnt see ubuntu
[04:00] <johnlittle> "The use of [Novell]  SLED 10, I think, will increase significantly this year in schools, and we have Red Hat participating. They are getting some penetration in the local schools," Huffman said, adding that one school district has been having "a good deal of success with Ubuntu."
[04:01] <elkbuntu> ah
[04:53] <poningru> yarr
[05:39] <elkbuntu> #.o -- Yarr!
[06:00] <elkbuntu> w00t! 6842 Users with 11000 Machines ... 11k boxen, yay
[06:01] <johnlittle> Grats!
[06:05] <bimberi> yay elkbuntu!
[06:06] <bimberi> and that interesting ratio is still more than 5 to 1
[06:09] <nixternal> it seems i have a nack at angering people
[06:09] <bimberi> ?
[06:11] <nixternal> i have plenty of people upset at me currently, and it seems i have upset a Freenode admin as well, because of my successful pimpage of the Ubuntu NUN
[06:11] <nixternal> they portray themselves as people who want to help the newbies..but when the newbies come they either hide or throw caution to the wind
[06:12] <nixternal> it seems everything is a no-win situation
[06:12] <nixternal> i think i help out more people in an hour then most do in a year over there
[06:13] <nixternal> i field at least 100 email a day for support..why?  because I freely give my information out in hopes of keeping people with Ubuntu...when a CD goes out from the Ubuntu Chicago team, my contact info is with it, right along with the guy/girl who handed it out
[06:14] <bimberi> mate, i don't quite understand the issue.  people are unhappy that you do all the helping?
[06:16] <nixternal> i did an interview for Linux.com on the new user network...and in the article the guy mixed up the irc channels for support and listed the nun admin channel...it has gotten a few hundred visitors and it has angered a staff member..i can understand his frustrations though
[06:17] <bimberi> seems unfair to blame you for that
[06:17] <nixternal> but im being the one blamed for it..i don't let it get under my skin, as i am the reason there were over a hundred people total at the first weekend
[06:17] <nixternal> it is and it isn't
[06:17] <nixternal> it is an honest mistake that anyone could have made
[06:18] <nixternal> i got bit by a marketing bug i guess you can say
[06:18] <bimberi> hehe
[06:18] <nixternal> i advocated the heck out the NUN, as a matter of fact, my interview was a front page Digg item, and that didn't help much either
[06:18] <bimberi> you're a natural ;)
[06:18] <nixternal> yesterday alone, i had 200+ messages
[06:19] <nixternal> a lot of mythtv ones, thank god for #mythtv-users
[06:19] <nixternal> and today i got a mac question
[06:19] <nixternal> that one flipped my lid there
[06:20] <nixternal> someone emailed me because his windows computers won't see his mac ones, but his macs can see the windows
[06:20] <nixternal> i have about 20 trs-80s
[06:20] <nixternal> as my dad was one of the design engineers for Tandy/Panasonic at the time
[06:20] <bimberi> 20!
[06:20] <bimberi> ah :)
[06:20] <bimberi> sorry, tangent
[06:20] <nixternal> 4 with monitors, and about 20 that are just the keyboard setup
[06:20] <nixternal> they are still in their shed to this day
[06:21] <bimberi> i have a circa 1980, my original PC, Level II  16K
[06:21] <bimberi> yep, in the shed
[06:27] <nixternal> woohoo
[06:27] <nixternal> i have a few old ones
[06:27] <nixternal> commodores, which i am going to mod into a Kubuntu system using the small form stuff
[06:50] <elkbuntu> http://ubuntucounter.com/rss.php
[07:16] <poningru> yarr
[07:17] <poningru> you know I feel like we arent doing much... we need to do... more
[07:17] <poningru> gaah
[07:17] <poningru> I dont know...
[07:21] <bimberi_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendlyHardwareSuppliers
[07:31] <bimberi_> elkbuntu: are you on this list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts ?
[07:32] <elkbuntu> bimberi_, yes
[07:33] <elkbuntu> its a rather quiet list
[07:33] <bimberi_> elkbuntu: great.  i'm not but i'll be sending it a message soon
[07:33] <elkbuntu> k
[07:33] <bimberi_> yes, i had a look at the archives
[07:35] <rjian> weeeeee
[08:43] <elkbuntu> in about 36 hours, the ubuntu counter will be 1 month old :| .. and it's at a point it gets 45-50 hits/minute
[08:46] <bimberi_> elkbuntu: wow, is the rate growing?
[08:48] <johnlittle> where can I find out more about Ubuntu...Ubuntu Video! ;)
[08:48] <johnlittle> did you see your video was in the top 10 tech videos for the day ell?
[08:49] <johnlittle> er elk
[08:49] <johnlittle> #6 - Most Linked (Today) - Science & Technology
[08:49] <johnlittle> you earned 3 honors
[08:50] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, wow
[08:51] <johnlittle> thats  on a site that stream 100 million vids a day
[08:51] <johnlittle> streams
[08:53] <johnlittle> elkbuntu: I asked the fridge editors to add sidebar links to our sites and some other community resources today
[08:53] <elkbuntu> hmm.. i dont see it http://youtube.com/categories_portal?c=26&e=1
[08:54] <johnlittle> look at you vid..theres an honors link
[08:54] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, i finally got around to making an rss 'feed' for the counter... its basically static but will update the value whenever checked
[08:54] <johnlittle> cool
[08:56] <nixternal> now that is eye candy
[08:57] <nixternal> haha
[08:57] <nixternal> 1337
[08:58] <elkbuntu> hehe.. the gedit file showed pretty poorly in the streamed version
[08:59] <elkbuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2qoF72PFic&NR <-- someone else's vid of an ooold version of the dock
[09:01] <elkbuntu> and yeah, that's my laptop, candied to the max as it's what the unwashed masses aka clients see
[09:01] <elkbuntu> havent converted anyone yet
[09:01] <elkbuntu> :(
[09:02] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/
[09:04] <elkbuntu> i need to make a panel applet or something for the counter.. that'd be cool
[09:05] <elkbuntu> if only i had a clue how
[09:07] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, if you want to include the feed in the vid site..  dump http://ubuntucounter.org/rssparse.phps into the counter's box and style it with the css classes
[09:08] <elkbuntu> brb, hopefully swapping isp about now
[09:21] <poningru> elkbuntu: can we see your vid in ogg or something?
[09:21] <elkbuntu> doesnt youtube let you download in original format? it's .avi
[09:24] <poningru> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/08/is-word-ubuntu-in-ubuntu-linux-over.html
[09:24] <poningru> it does?
[09:24] <poningru> woah
[09:27] <poningru> elkbuntu: what link?
[09:28] <elkbuntu> gah.. mebbe it doesnt.. im a bit busy atm, and the files on a computer that's not even booted
[09:47] <poningru> rofl http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/08/18/rfte-ubuntu-server/
[10:43] <KenSentMe|afk> jenda: ping
[10:43] <jenda> pond
[10:43] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:44] <KenSentMe|afk> I got a message that i have some money on my paypal account
[10:44] <KenSentMe|afk> Can is still order some stickers?
[10:44] <KenSentMe|afk> Can i
[10:45] <jenda> Lemme check :)
[10:45] <jenda> You can order up to 15 No Caption ones - and I'll have 300 of MenZa's stickers in september...
[10:46] <jenda> and you can queue up to get those that people who ordered them reject :)
[10:46] <KenSentMe|afk> what was the link to the sticker images again?
[10:48] <KenSentMe|afk> jenda: ok, found them. How much for the 15 no caption stickers (in euros)
[10:48] <jenda> lemme think...
[10:48] <jenda> where?
[10:48] <jenda> OK....
[10:49] <KenSentMe|afk> 5 euro?
[10:49] <jenda> Nah :-D The bare minimum is 2... if you leave a tip, it will be great...
[10:49] <KenSentMe|afk> jenda@ubuntu.com was your paypal?
[10:51] <jenda> yep
[10:51] <jenda> you are the first foreigner to even know the bare minimum price :) Till now, it has only been people who physically came and picked the stickers up themselves :)
[10:51] <jenda> damn, gotta run.
[10:52] <jenda> I' have them here for you.
[10:52] <KenSentMe|afk> I've sent the mail and the money
[10:52] <jenda> great, thx
[10:55] <KenSentMe|afk> got to go now, bye all
[02:10] <elkbuntu> MenZa, i got an rss thing now http://ubuntucounter.org/rss.php  and a parser for it http://ubuntucounter.org/rssparse.phps
[02:32] <elkbuntu> MenZa, ping?
[03:41] <elkbuntu> lalala arent we a quiet lot tonight?
[03:49] <elkbuntu> hi matthewrevell?
[03:50] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: hi
[03:50] <elkbuntu> how's the old man?
[03:50] <matthewrevell> Not sure yet. I'm waiting to hear the results of some tests.
[03:50] <matthewrevell> THanks for asking
[04:01] <elkbuntu> im sure he'll be ok :|
[04:02] <matthewrevell> thanks :)
[04:07] <jenda> :)
[04:19] <elkbuntu> hmm.. finally got around to looking ad mindspin's contribution to the survey wiki..
[04:19] <elkbuntu> im not really sure we should be trying the corporate investigation...
[04:20] <elkbuntu> what do you guys think?
[04:25] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: I'll have to look another time :(
[04:26] <elkbuntu> do you think it should be within the scope though?
[04:26] <elkbuntu> trying to get user info from companies/businesses?
[04:27] <elkbuntu> err, usage/preferance info
[04:29] <elkbuntu> i would personally think/prefer that sort of data collection be done by canonical, rather than us
[04:30] <elkbuntu> jenda, ping?
[04:30] <jenda> pyong yang
[04:30] <elkbuntu> ^
[04:32] <jenda> (capital of North Korea, unless i'm mistaken)
[04:32] <jenda> What's up?
[04:32] <jenda> ah
[04:32] <jenda> speak of the devil...
[04:32] <elkbuntu> yeah
[04:32] <jenda> elkbuntu: I'd have to think about that
[04:32] <jenda> and you know how much that hurts
[04:32] <elkbuntu> lol jenda
[04:33] <elkbuntu> hi mindspin, i finally got time to look at stuff you put up on the wiki, and im not really sure that 'corporate' investigation is quite within our reach/capabilities as such
[04:34] <mindspin> I#m not sure
[04:34] <mindspin> For small and medium business (up to 20 people) its possible in my eyes
[04:35] <elkbuntu> i personally think it's a target audience that should be left up to canonical
[04:35] <mindspin> It#s definitely atarget for me
[04:36] <elkbuntu> its something that's goign to take alot more time than a month to organise
[04:36] <mindspin> there are so much small companies here who want real people appear at their offices to set up configure their network
[04:36] <mindspin> so leave it out
[04:36] <elkbuntu> we could make another whole project of it, if you really thing it's within grasp
[04:36] <jenda> elkbuntu: I think it's quite Ok if we contact small businesses ourselves.
[04:37] <mindspin> elkbuntu: yup we can
[04:37] <elkbuntu> jenda, that would involve, *contact* *arrange time* *wait* *meet*, rather than online or footpath surveys
[04:38] <jenda> yes
[04:38] <elkbuntu> alot more time/effort involved
[04:38] <mindspin> we can add a question wether they are potential users with business purposes and see how much will "sign" that
[04:39] <elkbuntu> mindspin, if you have the time, fork the 'potential business' part off to another wiki page for later effort, maybe 'CorporateInvestigation' or something
[04:39] <elkbuntu> and add it to MarketingTeam/Research
[04:40] <elkbuntu> and yes, that question should be doable
[04:40] <mindspin> not much time left now, (I'm hiding to berlin over the weekend) but I can remove it completely and create a seperate page after the weekend
[04:41] <elkbuntu> one of your other ideas i think might also be a candidate for a later time.. the 'agree/disagree' sort of quiz
[04:41] <mindspin> huh?
[04:41] <elkbuntu> unless it wasnt you...
[04:41] <mindspin> that is not added by me
[04:41] <mindspin> was
[04:41] <elkbuntu> ok then...
[04:43] <elkbuntu> ah.. Ferenkileen .. whoever that is
[04:43] <elkbuntu> also got pedantic about how many surveys per group we need for confidence :|
[04:45] <mindspin> company part removed mam
[04:46] <elkbuntu> did you save what questions you had so far?
[04:46] <mindspin> sure
[04:46] <elkbuntu> good
[04:46] <elkbuntu> it's a good idea, but a bit much for now imho
[04:47] <mindspin> imho its always better to collect plenty and reduce it to the core afterwards ;-)
[04:48] <elkbuntu> sure, so long as you're not trying to too many things at once, it can compromise the quality of what you -do- get
[04:48] <mindspin> therefore I said reduce it to the core
[04:49] <elkbuntu> yep, but i mean trying to collect from too many places reduces how much you end up getting from each place
[04:57] <elkbuntu> im going to set the survey question cutoff for the 25th. should have draft surveys by the 1st
[04:59] <elkbuntu> i'll be really nice to have final versions done by the 8th
[04:59] <elkbuntu> s/i'll/it'll/
[05:06] <elkbuntu> jenda, mindspin how long after the 16th should i give for the results to come in from various places? a month? two?
[05:07] <mindspin> a month could do, it depends on how many participate...
[05:08] <elkbuntu> take the counter site's traffic of 1.2mil this past 18 days hits as indication of how much interest -can- be gathered for online surveys
[05:09] <elkbuntu> 1.2mil Hits
[05:09] <elkbuntu> 280,000 or so unique visitors
[05:10] <mindspin> huh turns out to be a big thing then...
[05:10] <elkbuntu> however im more referring to the collection of the 'potential users' data from the footpath surveys
[05:13] <elkbuntu> i think a month should be plenty
[05:13] <mindspin> yup
[05:13] <mindspin> gottago, the only really big city of germany is calling ;-)
[05:13] <mindspin> bye
[07:03] <MitchM> ping
[08:49] <elkbuntu> MitchM, ping?
[08:49] <MitchM> ping
[08:49] <MitchM> =)
[08:49] <MitchM> it worked very nice
[08:50] <elkbuntu> :)
[08:50] <elkbuntu> happy with it all?
[08:51] <MitchM> let me looksie
[08:51] <MitchM> oh yes very nice!
[08:51] <MitchM> I like =)
[08:51] <elkbuntu> :)
[08:52] <MitchM> upload using username/pass and it should work for devubuntu.com
[08:52] <MitchM> thanks a million =P
[08:52] <elkbuntu> its already there :)
[08:53] <MitchM> oh ho ho
[08:53] <MitchM> you sly guy
[08:53] <elkbuntu> if you feel you need to change what is said, im sure you could figure what parts to change
[08:53] <MitchM> eh looks good to me
[08:53] <MitchM> I may add more details later
[08:53] <MitchM> ....
[08:53] <MitchM> like MySQL and PHP etc etc
[08:54] <MitchM> but very nice again; thanks =)
[08:54] <elkbuntu> the form is already php
[08:55] <MitchM> well yes; that I knew... but what I meant was "your free web hosting also comes with free MySQL databases... etc etc"
[08:56] <elkbuntu> ah right
[08:56] <elkbuntu> Sat Aug 19 04:56:08 EST 2006
[08:56] <elkbuntu> whelp, i've had fun.. i probaly should go to bed now
[08:56] <MitchM> woah!
[08:56] <MitchM> =) thanks... get some rest
[08:56] <poningru> a very well written essay
[08:56] <poningru> http://www.psychocats.net/essays/linuxdesktopmyth
[08:56] <poningru> and almost everything I agree with
[08:57] <elkbuntu> psychocats rocks
[08:57] <elkbuntu> ninite people
[08:57] <MitchM> nite
[08:57] <poningru> night