=== lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio__ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=albin@lns-bzn-57-82-249-19-94.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] Hi [12:36] hi Lutin [12:37] hi Toadstool === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] Could you tell me what to do to have the package from my own repo considered as coming from an authenticated source by apt ? [12:41] it needs to be signed [12:41] and the users need to import your key [12:42] Laser_away, what files have to be signed ? === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] Lutin: the packages at least [12:44] you might also have to sign the Packages.gz file, but I"m not sure about that === elkbuntu [n=melissa@203-206-255-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] Laser_away, ok, thought signing Release was enough [12:44] So I have to sign _all_ the pacakges ? [12:45] I think so [12:45] as the packages are what is being installed [12:45] s/is/are/ [12:46] Laser_away, how should I sign them ? using gpg --clearsign ? [12:46] I'm guess no [12:47] There should be a tool that does that [12:47] perhaps debsign or something [12:47] how do you make your .debs? [12:47] pbuilder [12:47] Release is the only file that gets signed afaik [12:48] TheMuso, is it correct to sign it using gpg --ba -o Release.gpg Release ? [12:50] hmm, I guess Release does have the md5sum of the rest [12:51] Lutin: Not sure. Can't remember, as its a while since I did it. [12:53] TheMuso, ok. I did sign the release file and put the key into apt using apt-key add, but the pacakges are still not authenticated :( [12:53] I should have missed smthg === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] Lutin: How did you create the Release file? [12:59] TheMuso: using apt-ftparchive [12:59] ah ok [12:59] is it a problem ? [01:02] No not at all [01:03] can't find out what I did wrong === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] TheMuso, should the kay have an expiration date ? [01:10] s/kay/key === asimon [n=andreas@p54A5ECDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Client] === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-251-17.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01_ [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] Heya gang [02:01] hello [02:01] Hi nictuku === welshbyte takes a heavy beating from rdiff-backup [02:04] Heya welshbyte [02:04] ello bddebian [02:04] how goes it? [02:06] OK, thanks you? [02:07] remember, barry's now ranked in the top contributors to Ubuntu, so make sure you refresh BdDebianIsAGod. Thanks. [02:07] crimsun: You truly are an ass :-) === bddebian needs a minion === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:09] Hello freeflying, imbrandon :-) [02:10] heya bddebian [02:12] Who is Jeff Bailes? [02:12] I wonder why aptitude is taking soooo long to startup === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.148.241] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] bddebian: stressed, thanks :) [02:29] nictuku: it could be running out of supercow powers :) [02:31] does gnome-app-install have a sources.list editor? [02:34] i dont think so, i think it uses synaptic sources.list editor [02:34] moins Riddell [02:35] imbrandon: so to get at universe programmes you have to click Advanced, launch synaptic and edit sources from there? [02:36] afaik, hold on i'll check on my gnome box [02:40] imho repo selection should probably be integrated into the installation.. i only ever change them (i.e. select all of them) once unless i need to dist-upgrade [02:42] Riddell: yea i dont see an editor anywhere in it [02:42] interesting [02:42] you can choose a componet to only show apps from [02:43] I wonder if it automatically enables universe if you tick that box [02:43] but it just ues what you have in your sources as far as i can tell [02:43] i dunno , i could do a clean install here in a while in a VM and test it if you want [02:43] not enabling anyting and testing it [02:43] etc [02:44] s/anything/univserse/g [02:44] well, seems gnome-app-install doesn't want to install at the moment, else I'd test it myself [02:44] heh [02:45] well i'll plan to try it in a vm after i finish dinner , if nothing else just to know [02:48] Anyone want to do some dirty work for me? :) [02:49] in return for what? [02:49] What do you want? :-) [02:49] bddebian: define "dirty work" ;) [02:49] Writing a man page :-) [02:50] for prismstumbler? :P [02:50] Yes :-) === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian listens to the crickets :) [02:54] bddebian: ok i'll bite [02:56] bddebian: it'll be my second ever man page though so you might want to check it over when i'm done ;) === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] welshbyte: YOU ROCK! :-) [03:03] tell a friend ;) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] welshbyte: Definetly :-) [03:05] OK, what to do tonight. Merges, revu, or bug "fixing" [03:09] bddebian: d) all of the above [03:10] ajmitch: :-) [03:11] I have to pick a "mode" or I get confused easily :) [03:13] /set mode ubuntu-demi-god-fix-everything-all-at-the-same-time [03:16] imbrandon: demi? [03:16] bddebian is definately a full-fledged god [03:17] ;) === welshbyte pokes the wiki page of the almighty one [03:25] You folks are on crack === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon puts the crackpipe down and decides to sift though his email before he starts anything tonight [03:33] heh === Xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] I can't figure out why lsb-base was added to ddclient? [03:42] lsb_release [03:42] maybe it used to be in there === ajmitch shrugs [03:43] ajmitch: lsb_release? [03:45] hm this might be easier if prismstumbler actually worked [03:46] welshbyte: I have one that works [03:46] You on dapper? [03:46] edgy at the moment [03:46] got dapper on my laptop though [03:47] Ack, give me a sec and I'll throw up an edgy .deb. I'd actually like to know that it works anyway ;-P [03:47] hehe [03:51] welshbyte: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/prismstumbler/edgy_deb/ [03:52] Hmm, where's dholbach.. :-) [03:54] guess i should've mentioned i'm on an AMD64 box ;) [03:54] Ack [03:54] heh [03:55] bddebian: vacation [03:55] I think my source package is in the prismstumbler dir [03:55] slomo: Oh, thx [03:55] why? :) [03:55] He is the one that added lsb-base to ddclient back for Hoary [03:57] Damnit I'm getting nothing done.. === welshbyte waits for pbuilder === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] hehe, it failed === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] welshbyte: Permission denied? [04:04] bddebian: yep [04:05] welshbyte: For right now just add chmod +x configure and chmod +x src/gpsd/configure right above the ./configure line in debian/rules and see if it builds. If you don't mind [04:05] Holy crap does wine have a lot of bugs in Debian === fbond|away [n=fab@pool-72-92-138-194.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond|away is now known as fbond [04:06] midisport-firmware, anyone? [04:06] on revu? [04:07] arguably not very useful to test if you don't own midisport hardware... [04:07] but atleast the packaging can be inspected? [04:07] fbond: Didn't I look at that one? [04:08] don't think so, lemme double check... [04:08] bddebian, nope, 5 uploads, no comments [04:08] :) [04:09] you probably passed over it several times, though... [04:09] Give me a few minutes and I' [04:09] ll take a look [04:09] um, remind me how to get the ubuntu-ised source out of the deb source files? [04:09] welshbyte: ? dpkg-source -x foo.dsc [04:10] thanks [04:10] No, THANK YOU :-) [04:10] bddebian, thanks [04:12] fbond: Well the first thing I see is that you have debconf templates but don't use po-debconf [04:15] damn [04:15] it's such a trivial question, too [04:16] k, mind leaving a comment after full inspection, and I'll re-upload tomorrow? [04:17] fbond: I'm doing so. However, why do you wget the firmware files on build? [04:18] license === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] The firmware is not open source [04:18] But MidiMan released the firmware in binary form [04:19] it can be distributed only as part of the original source package [04:19] I tried to clarify/confirm with the upstream maintainer, but he was not very friendly to my request [04:20] I think he thought I was patronizing him over the situation. [04:20] Why didn't you just include them in the tar.gz if you regenerated that anyway? [04:20] bddebian: working at last :) [04:20] welshbyte: Awesome, thx [04:20] I thought about that, but it didn't seem quite clean, license-wise [04:20] How would it be different that what you are doing? I am far from a license expert by the way :-) [04:21] Hmm.... [04:21] this is why I tried to clarify the license [04:21] thing is, the binary .deb cannot contain the firmware [04:21] only the source tarball [04:21] so you would still have to download at install time... [04:22] you would download from the ubuntu repo instead of upstream ... [04:22] but it's not possible to have firmware in orig.tar.gz and not in binary .debs, is it? [04:23] yes, I guess it would be: rm them in debian/rules, or explicitly remove them prior to debdiff [04:23] ? [04:23] How is it not in the .deb the way you are doing it? Or are you just pulling them to build with and then removing? [04:23] exactly [04:23] fbond: you need to fix the udev rules to work with Edgy. [04:23] Ah [04:23] (I said as much about a month ago on irc.) [04:23] it's not possible to download anything at build time [04:23] crimsun, don't recall speaking about this previously [04:23] so it'd have to be at install [04:23] what needs to chagne? [04:23] ajmitch, not possible to download at build time? [04:24] location and syntax [04:24] ok i'm not up to speed on this (don't hit me too hard over it) [04:24] where can I refer to for new info? [04:25] /etc/udev/rules.d/README [04:31] Damn, I need about 4 or 5 more machines to build on :-) [04:32] while others struggle along with 1 old machine [04:34] some struggle with 3 [04:36] ajmitch: Well I only have 1 ubuntu machine here at home to build on :-( [04:37] slow? [04:38] anyways...im going to go relax [04:40] Enjoy === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] Wow, wine is a pig === Yagisan_ [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] bddebian: http://andrewprice.me.uk/dropoff/prismstumbler.1 [04:58] need any more detail than that? [05:02] welshbyte: YOU FREAKIN' ROCK!!!!!! [05:02] :) [05:06] welshbyte: BTW, did it run from the Gnome menu? [05:07] bddebian: it did indeed [05:07] Kick ass.. Thanks a million for all your time! [05:07] you're welcome :) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p50803AB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] welshbyte: Still bored? ;-) [05:20] heh, more dirty jobs to do? [05:20] Hmm, I was going to have you try tulip from Debian on your AMD64 but it has an RC bug that needs patching first :-( [05:21] shame :) [05:21] welshbyte: Unless you want to try to patch it and build it? ;-P [05:22] looks a bit over my head at the moment, i'm afraid [05:23] plus it's 4:20am and i should probably get some sleep before it gets light ;) [05:23] Ack, get to bed man === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] will do, just catching up on my feeds [05:24] Heh [05:33] right then, good night :) [05:33] welsh... grr [05:37] Hmm, interesting "license" === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Gnight folks === torkel [i=torkel@69-188.umenet.t3.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionelp [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB [i=ghoseb@ubuntu/member/gosub] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.246.22.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chiefofthejojos [n=bradpitc@86.59.25.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@210.0.212.180] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink_ [n=raphink@wormhole.x-echo.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@184.215-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ppp6-205.lns1.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] morning === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:31] hi siretart [09:32] moins siretart ajmitch === imbrandon_ yawns [09:34] hello imbrandon_ [09:36] huhu ajmitch, morning imbrandon_ [09:43] hum i wonder if a dapper --> sid upgrade would go semi smooth [09:43] i highly doubt it [09:44] me too lol [09:44] heh === jsgotangco should take time to burn his sarge dvds [09:44] ;) === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] how do I remove a file that was wrongly uploaded ? [10:01] anyone here ? [10:01] uploaded to where ? [10:01] to REVU [10:01] put in the comments of it you would like it NUKED and ping a revu admin [10:02] I can't login to REVU webpage, the recover password isn't working [10:02] and who are REVU admins ? [10:02] i thnik ajmitch and siretart are, if they arent busy [10:03] there is a list of them on the wiki [10:04] isn't there a way to resume the upload ?! === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ppp14-206.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] remove your *.upload file and reupload it if thats what you mean [10:07] imbrandon_: what happened is that the upload got interrupted, so only the DSC file got uploaded, yet the orig & diff files weren't uploaded [10:07] imbrandon_: now I try to upload again, but it won't work, because the DSC file exists [10:08] remove the .upload file it created localy and try again [10:08] it did not create any upload file [10:08] ok whats the error when you try to upload again then >? [10:09] AnAnt: what's the package name? [10:09] ajmitch: kchmviewer [10:09] cleared [10:09] thanks [10:09] thanks ajmitch ;) === ajmitch wonders who is uploading tunapie [10:10] heh what a name [10:10] hungry ? === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] /qui === rraphink_ [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@201.230.107.37] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-110-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=albin@lns-bzn-57-82-249-19-94.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:19] hi === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] could someone tell me exactly what to do to sign a repo ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=albin@lns-bzn-57-82-249-19-94.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xnix [n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] heya everybody [12:11] no one can tell me how to sign a repo ? [12:12] heh, well we already have our repo signed for us [12:12] it's not something we commonly do [12:14] that's right ... [12:14] hehe [12:15] hi LaserJock [12:15] hi Toadstool === animimotus [i=animimot@gateway/tor/x-f0ee416d130e2cc3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] hello [12:44] someone know Transmission ? A BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. [12:44] http://transmission.m0k.org/ [12:46] it'll nice to see it packed in universe or another deposit, I don't know how to do a paquet ^^ === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.36.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] Lutin: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141/ARCHIVE [12:55] Hey guys [12:56] animimotus: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html :) [12:56] Riddell, thanks a lot :) [12:57] Lutin: there may be better ways to do it, but that works for me [01:01] Riddell, and then add the key used for signing with apt-key add, right ? === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.36.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:03] Lutin: yes [01:03] Riddell, I don't want to be a geek :) [01:05] I'm a basic user :| [01:06] animimotus: there's a wiki page somewhere under MOTU for suggesting packages to be made [01:06] ah ok, I will search [01:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates <-- this one [01:07] but it's a bit outdated and messy... [01:08] merci Toadstool :) [01:09] de rien ;) [01:10] Riddell, thanks alot, that works for mee too :) [01:10] s/mee/me === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.36.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] Right. I'm trying to build gossip 0.14 for dapper, but I get an error that it can't find galago. [01:14] is there any way I can get around that, and if so, how? [01:15] HiddenWolf: are the galago build-depends fine? [01:15] could you paste the configure output somewhere? [01:16] oh wait, dapper... [01:16] --disable-galago maybe :) [01:17] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20964 [01:18] slomo: how would I pass that option? === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] slomo: nm, fixed. :) === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B25AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ [n=albin@lns-bzn-20-82-250-40-45.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon [n=asimon@p54A5F44C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin_ is now known as Lutin === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp171-143.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] I just ran into the following problem: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/contrib/s/snes9express/snes9express_1.42-5/changelog lists a different changelog for 1.42-4 than https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/snes9express/+changelog . Probably the person that fixed it did dch -i without changing to ubuntuX .... [02:39] yes === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.36.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:42] ... so what do we do now? Could it be that this prevented a sync of debian's 1.42-4 (which contains a fix for a bug) ? === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] couldnt you extract the fix from debian's 1.42-4? [02:43] you could make 4ubuntu1 [02:43] and merge the debian changes by hand [02:43] and all would be well [02:43] when 5 is in debian, sync over ubuntu changes === tseng pokes Hobbsee === Hobbsee drops a large boulder on tseng [02:44] heya [02:45] Hobbsee: how much do you know about wv? [02:45] tseng: not much, why? [02:45] That could be done, but the ubuntu changes are included in the debian changes so maybe it would be more appropriate to sync -5 from debian (which is basically debian's -4 but adds a debian/watch file as well ) [02:46] Hobbsee: because beagle uses wv1, kde (kword) uses wv2 [02:46] Hobbsee: pitti doesnt want both [02:46] ah [02:46] neutrinomass: if debian has our changes, then yes. that would be a sync. [02:47] Nafallo: Great - so I file a bug report and wait for a MOTU to ack it ? [02:47] yea, something like that :-) [02:47] neutrinomass: subscribe the universe-upload-sponsors group, or whatever it is. [02:47] neutrinomass: make sure you actually let someone know about it [02:47] or ask for a MOTU to ack it in here [02:47] tseng: reading description. i only did the merge because i could, not based on what it was about [02:48] Hobbsee: ok. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] It's bug 56806 if anybody feels like ack'ing it ... [02:54] Malone bug 56806 in snes9express "Please sync 1.42-5 from debian unstable" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56806 [03:01] Hobbsee: Did you by any chance mean "ubuntu-universe-sponsors" ? [03:01] neutrinomass: am i the admin of it? yep === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas_ [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] zul: snes9express hey? [03:13] wha? [03:13] zul: you uploaded it to ubuntu with a debian version number? [03:13] snes9express (1.42-4) dapper; urgency=low [03:13] * s9xskin.h [03:13] - GCC 4 fixes [03:13] - Added desktop file (Closes: Malone #45457) [03:13] -- Chuck Short Tue, 23 May 2006 19:32:00 -0400 [03:13] Malone bug 45457 in snes9express "No .desktop file." [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45457 [03:14] yeah i might have made a mistake sorry :( [03:15] zul: not a problem. was more wondering if there was a reason for it [03:15] zul: everyone makes mistakes, it's okay :) [03:16] Hobbsee: i might have forgotten, it was probably one of my first uploads [03:16] zul: ah, fair enough === Nafallo hugs dch -i [03:17] Nafallo: yeah. that's where the problem can be. [03:18] Nafallo: if the last release was debian's, it defaults to be debian, rather than the release that you're on [03:18] nope, the earlier version was ubuntu3 :-) [03:18] but yeah, I've had those aswell :-) === Lutin [n=albin@lns-bzn-20-82-250-40-45.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye"] [03:18] it saves more than it spoils for me anyway ;-) [03:20] true that. devscripts is great. === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar === geser [n=michael@85.25.108.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greeN-eYe [i=lali@86.126.74.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntu_demon [n=depjayds@84-104-162-95.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fbond is now known as fbond|away === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-23.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-249-54.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-249-54.bb.netvision.net.il] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === nexu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@45.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] siretart: ping === nexu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] Heya gang [05:04] hey bddebian ! [05:04] Heya Gloubiboulga [05:04] evening bddebian :) === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-98-54.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] Hi lfittl [05:05] bddebian, nice work on the prismstumbler package :) [05:06] Gloubiboulga: Seriously? [05:06] lfittl: pong [05:07] siretart: I would be interested in joining the MOTU Games Team, what is the proper way to do that? [05:07] bddebian, of course [05:07] Gloubiboulga: Thx. [05:07] lfittl: just do work and ask me to get added :) [05:07] heh [05:08] siretart: work already done, 2 games maintained in universe, and packaging some others now :) [05:08] Oh yeah, games [05:08] siretart: what was the team name on launchpad again? [05:10] or is there no launchpad team? then let's change this to "please add me" ;) [05:10] lfittl: afaik there is no launchpad group yet, mainly because I didn't see the necessity [05:10] I was looking at glest but the data license looks questionable [05:11] siretart: k, then, should I just add myself on the wiki page? [05:12] bddebian: I guess the license of the data files? [05:12] argh, sry, overread the data part.. [05:12] lfittl: Aye. It claims to be redistributable but it's not exactly spelled out well :-) [05:12] The game itself is GPL [05:13] But the build system is, let's say "lacking" :-) [05:13] Looks like a neat game though [05:13] bddebian: custom license or a well-known problematic one? [05:13] Custom. Self made :-) === lfittl takes a look at it [05:14] Unlike scourge which they have no idea where half of their art code comes from :-) [05:16] lfittl: yes, no problem [05:16] bddebian: I remember some activity in the debian games team regarding glest [05:16] bddebian/siretart: do you know of any attempts in the past to package FMOD (yeah I know it's proprietary and most parts are not-distributable, but some nice games use it)? [05:16] bddebian: you might want to read the archives first to learn about the status of glest in debian [05:17] lfittl: FMOD? [05:17] siretart: http://www.fmod.org/ (sound system) [05:17] like OpenAL [05:18] hm [05:18] I didn't hear anything about it yet [05:18] lfittl: I have tried to stay away from the engine crap. I want a game :-) [05:19] lfittl: but if its non-free, I don't see why one should put efford in packaging it [05:19] siretart: I have working packages here, but if I read the license correctly you are allowed to distribute the .so, but nothing else.. [05:19] better convince authors of games to stay away from it and educate them about free software [05:20] so they allow you to ship a precompiled .so? [05:20] for which architectures? [05:20] siretart: x86 only for 3.75, x86 and x86_64 for 4.04 [05:21] hm. [05:21] I'd stay away from it [05:21] debian/ubuntu is about free software, you know. free as in speech [05:22] siretart: yeah I know, but sadly there is still multiverse ;) [05:22] (and restricted of course) [05:23] siretart: I don't want to encourage people to use it (put a big "stay away" warning into the description), but I would still say the more things we have packaged for Ubuntu the better, and sadly there are some games that make use of FMOD [05:23] siretart: and replacing it with OpenAL is not that easy, I would do that for 1-2 simple games, but most are bigger projects [05:25] didn't want to turn that into a discussion about free software though, just wanted to know if there have been efforts in the past ;) [05:25] lfittl: tell me some projects which are using FMOD, and how are they licensed? [05:26] siretart: 2 of the games I am creating packages for: FreeOrion, Dark Oberon [05:26] GPL both [05:27] and they are linking against FMOD? how does this not violate the GPL? [05:29] siretart: don't know, isn't the rule the other way around? you are not allowed to link proprietary stuff against GPL stuff, but linking GPL against proprietary is allowed? (not sure on that subject though) === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] siretart: and linking against FMOD is optional, you can disable it, but then you won't have any sound output, which is not that nice for games [05:34] lfittl: better make the programs check for presence of the FMOD shared object, and use dlopen if its there [05:34] siretart: hmm, that could work [05:36] lfittl: Check on scourge for me, it looks pretty cool and apparently the community did look at making sure all of the artwork/data stuff is GPL'd :-) [05:36] will have to investigate how much work it is to get that working, but it definitly sounds better than depending on multiverse stuff (which would have meant that the games must be in multiverse too, not exactly what I want) [05:37] bddebian: sure :) [05:39] siretart: but still, do you think it is acceptable, although not the nicest thing to have, to include the FMOD package? (just to avoid me having to redirect users to 3rd party packages/repositories) [05:40] lfittl: you might want to read this: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs [05:41] lfittl: it might make sense to have a FMOD package in multiverse, if (and only if) a) the FMOD authors want it, and b) there is really interest for other package to have that around === bddebian wonders if he should officially join the MOTUGames team.. [05:43] siretart: thanks, so this means either getting that note integrated upstream or patching the games to use OpenAL? [05:43] bddebian: if you like touching gameing related packges, sure, why not [05:44] lfittl: that not is absolutely necessary if upstreams want to permit others to redistribute binaries at all. unfortunately, upstreams are often clueless [05:44] lfittl: I don't know of openal can do the same job as FMOD. [05:44] siretart: Because I'm stupid and useless? :) [05:44] lfittl: if OpenAL is really an alternative, porting them to use OpenAL is probably the best solution [05:44] bddebian: who said this? [05:45] siretart: only he says that to himself. [05:45] siretart: I do :-) [05:45]