[12:23] Any ubuntu devs about? I've set up an eft box, and now my gnome-panel uses up 50% cpu :( [12:23] something's borkified. [12:24] 4 [12:26] sbalneav, newest update? [12:26] just installed it an hour or so. Did an edubuntu dapper install, then dist-upgrade to edgy [12:27] oh, fresh install is better [12:27] pygi: I have been using my MMDE instance to generate docs for EHB [12:27] I hope I can upload them soon this weekend [12:27] mhz, nice [12:27] hedge is kinda busy, but you, me, and she will get it done [12:28] so I should grab a knot? [12:28] sbalneav, sure [12:28] or try to mess with current conf. to fix it [12:28] hmmm, where's the knots at.... === sbalneav googles [12:29] pygi: I just realized that my non-having web at home has made it difficult to me to get in contact with you all, but I have been doing progress on my part for EHB (the light desktops) [12:30] mhz, don't worry, but we MUST have a meeting very soon [12:30] what's the latest, knot 2? [12:32] pygi: yup, but please email me with alternatives because this 'using cibercafes' is not best option for me to irc, unless very needed. [12:33] mhz, I know, don't worry [12:33] sbalneav, yes [12:34] thx === Burgundavia [n=corey@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:38] Burgundavia, hello [12:38] hey pygi [12:38] how is you? [12:38] not bad [12:39] currently at ubucon [12:39] oh :) [12:39] gonna attend hungarian "Ubuntu Users Conference" as well? [12:44] Burgundavia, poke? :) [12:45] pygi: yep? [12:45] Burgundavia, the question? :) [12:45] you have a question? [12:45] Burgundavia, "gonna attend hungarian "Ubuntu Users Conference" as well?" :) [12:46] not likely. I little far for me === guido [n=gamarill@164-57-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] Burgundavia, oki === jinty_ [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_BRB === mhz_BRB is now known as mhz === Burgundavia [n=corey@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [02:12] Hello === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@251-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Xymor [i=enforcer@201.29.190.39] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ruoho [n=ruoho@athedsl-37818.otenet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === ruoho [n=ruoho@athedsl-37818.otenet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] bddebian: ping [05:12] Know of any gnome-panel bugs in edgy? When I click on the applications menu, it just drops down and flashes, like it's constantly opening and closing. There's nothing in my .xsession-errors [05:13] sbalneav: Not that I am aware of, sorry === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Cornellius [n=Alain@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@adsl-75-10-71-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-134-73.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-200-242.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === jorik [n=olmo@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #edubuntu === jorik [n=olmo@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has left #edubuntu [] === Hagbarddenstore [n=hagbardd@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-194-153.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === spiekey [n=mario@p508085E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [12:46] hello! [12:47] i have the task to install 15 computers in a primary school and i would like to use GNU/Linux there. [12:47] now is the question what distribution. Ebuntu sounds to be the right choise, but is it available in plain german? [12:48] OpenSuSE is a german distribution which looks cool and smoth. I use it myself on my laptop. Why should i use ebuntu instead of SuSE? :) [12:50] edubuntu givees you access to a larger amount of software in its repositories [12:50] it also has a predictable and reliable release cycle, which helps with planning [12:50] additionally, each release is supoorted for 18 months, with the enterprise release (also free) with 3 years support [12:51] good points ;) [12:51] edubuntu might be a bit more work to get it working exactly the way you want than opensuse, but in terms of maintenance and reliability, I would personally choose Edubuntu [12:51] edubuntu also benefits of all the testing that has gone into Ubuntu. OpenSuse doesn't go through the same type of testing that Ubuntu does. [12:52] okok, you got me ;) [12:52] i will be able to install it in 9mins. [12:52] I'm not so soure about the language support, but ogra, who is the main developer of Edubuntu, should be able to anser that for you (he's German too) [12:52] he'll probably be here a little later. [12:52] you might also want to add edubuntu-de to your channel list ;) [12:53] spiekey, yes, it is available in german [12:53] hey highvoltage [12:53] hey pygi === highvoltage brb [01:01] so the only thing what ebuntu differs from ubuntu is the software repositiries? [01:02] no, repository is same [01:02] spiekey: not the repositories, they're the same, the installed packages differ [01:02] lucasvo, that's kinda wrong [01:04] do you have some personal experience with the learning software? Is it useful or ready yet? [01:05] spiekey: yes, it is [01:05] the school used to have win2k and a math and spelling programm they used. it was colorful, soundy and funny. [01:05] i need to be able to replace all this ;) [01:05] spiekey: depends on what age your kids are, the software they can use has sounds or not [01:06] spiekey: install one workstation and try to install the apps using wine [01:06] lucasvo: i am trying to get that running here with wine 0.9.19 but it fails :( [01:07] wine is quite slow, too. To switch to plain OpenSource software would just be great. [01:07] but the school should also e happy with it. Thats the really difficult thing ;) [01:07] spiekey, I do have experience with it [01:07] I converted couple of schools to Edubuntu, and they are very satisfied [01:08] is a 800MHz box with 512MB Ram enough for such an installation? [01:09] spiekey: for one workstation yes [01:09] for a server with 3 cliens it should be ok as well [01:10] the server is a 800MHz Box, too. [01:10] currently it is a PDC for 4 win2k workstations and it seems to hande it well. [01:10] spiekey, ugh, you know, rather get excellent server and then a cheap thinclients [01:11] that's how edubuntu works in general [01:11] bbl, lunch [01:11] spiekey: for normal workstation installation that's enough [01:12] are 400MHz and 128MB ram enough for a thin client? [01:12] yes [01:13] 'lo highvoltage : what was the CSIR kiosk link [01:18] lo rich [01:19] http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za [01:19] lo RichEd :) [01:19] high hivoltage ;) thanks for the link [01:21] highvoltage: do you do any kiosk work with Impi ? [01:22] and do you have recent contact details for gary fortuin ? [01:22] email or cell wold be nice :) [01:22] would ... (missed U ;) [01:23] RichEd: no, we have not done any kiosk work with Impi [01:23] and yes, I have recent contact with Gary Fortuin === RichEd watches the answers unfold in front of his eyes [01:23] wow, they plaster their schools with industrial ovens ? [01:24] hi ogra :) did the porche make it okay ? [01:24] why should it make it today ? [01:24] it starts tomorrow :) [01:24] but i'm sure it will be all fine :) [01:24] porsche : i thought you were driving today ... premature [01:25] RichEd: tel: (011) 575 4659, cell: 083 680 4400, gary@imlipinux.co.za [01:25] no, i'm just perparing the packages for local device support, so i can have them next week to work on stuff [01:25] b.t.w. ogra some nice stuff unfolding with Intel & Canonical re: education [01:25] cool ! [01:26] ah! hello orga ;) [01:27] i was told you are german and i am currently trying to migrate a primary school (Grundschule) to GNU/Linux, ebuntu in this case. [01:27] highvoltage: scwheet my bra [01:27] are there some german documents out there which are short and pregnant and explain why we should use ebuntu for the school? [01:28] it would be cool if i could give the headmaster some short, non tecnical, infos. === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:29] spiekey, sorry, sadly there is not much translated yet ... look for juliux ... ask him if he comes around, he's from the german community, i know they have some small stuff like flyers etc [01:30] spieky: I'm the education 1st point of contact for Canonical ... you can mail me on richard.edubuntu@gmail.com [01:30] i can send you some info from my official address, and see where I can help [01:31] spiekey, show your headmaster a liveCD ;) that says more than 1000 words [01:31] RichEd: i guess you mean german info stuff? [01:31] orga: live cds are slow ;) [01:31] not yet in german, but we can chat about what info works, and see if we can get a translation for you ... even an informal one [01:32] the real problem is not the operating system, but the app software i need to be able to replace. [01:32] RichEd, if you have any suggestions for my presentations, that would also be great ^_^ [01:32] Tho, I do have some interesting ideas already ;) [01:32] we are preparing various case study / promo brochure documents over the next 4-6 weeks [01:32] spiekey: here is a good place to start ... [01:32] spiekey: here is a good place to start [01:32] :P wait for the correct paste [01:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy [01:33] RichEd: 4-6 weeks? i need to present it in a week :P. hehe [01:33] thanks [01:33] i would be intrested to help with that if needed. [01:33] pygi ... can you send me a mail ... i don't always get a chance to pick up in IRC threads [01:33] spiekey, i'm sure juliux has something he can send you immediately [01:34] orga: have you got his email address, too? [01:34] but any help in that area would indeed be appreciated [01:34] RichEd, oki, mail pls? :) [01:34] spiekey: ^^^ i would be intrested to help with that if needed : great we can help each other then [01:34] ah, saw it [01:34] pygi scroll up approx 25 lines [01:34] saw, thanks [01:34] spiekey, juliux@ubuntu-de.org [01:34] pygi! :) [01:35] pygi: i wrote a cd with libburn yesterday, and it worked [01:35] highvoltage, wow, over k3b? [01:35] i didn't try it with k3b yet, i'll do that tonight [01:35] spiekey: send me an informal mail with some background to you & the request ... i'll see where we can synergise [01:35] highvoltage, oki, glad to hear it works :) [01:35] but i burned a cd from the command line and it just worked [01:35] I even fixed the build system (do an "svn up") so you may even install it [01:36] or just wait for packages [01:36] debian dropped "regular" cdrtools btw. === DrkLrd [n=DrkLrd@59.93.201.189] has joined #edubuntu [01:36] RichEd, u there? === ogra is afk again [01:36] really? what do they use now? [01:37] highvoltage, short-term solution will be forked cdrtools [01:37] cool, so ubuntu will probably follow suite? [01:37] I can't say, but I would assume so [01:37] yes oh evil master [01:37] (in stealth mode) [01:37] highvoltage, guess what's long term solution :) [01:37] libburn? [01:37] ;) [01:38] *excellent* [01:39] not really, makes a lot of pressure [01:40] spiekey: can you cc me into these emails juliux@ubuntu-de.org ? although my German is not so good ... I will guess my way around with my knowledge of Afrikaans = a Kitchen Dutch [01:41] RichEd, you've got mail [01:41] highvoltage, but glad libburn works for you :) [01:41] RichEd: reading german doesnt' seem so difficult for us, I tried to listen to ogra and dholbach speak, but they talk to fast :) [01:42] pygi: now i just need a libdvdcurn :p [01:42] s/curn/burn/ [01:42] highvoltage, that will never exist :) [01:42] it'll be part of libburn :) [01:42] nice [01:42] highvoltage: they probably speak an elitist german dialect designed to keep newbies intimidated ;) [01:42] hopegully sooner, rather than later :) [01:42] RichEd: i'm sure they do! [01:43] highvoltage, we'll see :) [01:43] I must find someone willing to do some ubuntu packaging work for now :) === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] anyone seen Hedgemadge recently? [01:44] !seen hedemadge [01:44] highvoltage, no, she's very busy [01:44] I haven't seen hedemadge recently [01:44] what's she doing? [01:45] highvoltage, that military thingy, vacation at her parents, etc. [01:45] at least I think so [01:45] btw is the edubuntu handbook ready? [01:46] juliux, no, ofcourse not [01:47] pygi, ok [01:47] because somebody was asking me, he wanted translate it into german [01:47] juliux, he/she can translate dapper one [01:48] pygi, so the dapper one is finished? [01:48] juliux, ages ago [01:48] thats good [01:48] it was published same day as dapper [01:49] pygi, i was the laste month very busy, so i didnt see what happend ;) [01:51] mail sent. check your mails juliux and RichEd ;) [01:52] danke spiekey [01:52] bitteschn ;) [01:53] spiekey, gelesen [01:53] spiekey, where we only have german ubunut flyer not more [01:54] -s where === juliux need more tea [01:54] juliux: we haven't met ... but we need to get relationship going ... spiekey's request is a good place to start [01:54] RichEd, yes it is [01:54] see: https://wiki.canonical.com/RichardWeideman [01:55] RichEd, epiphany said i need a password [01:55] :( [01:55] to get it starting...do we need some Edbuntu Requirement Specification or something? [01:55] oh ... let me send you via email ... and copy to edubuntu & ubuntu wikis later this weekend [01:55] spiekey, where are you living? we show edubuntu on a couple of fairs every year [01:56] juliux: near Stuttgart. [01:56] spiekey, hm near stuttgart is not good there is no expo [01:56] hehe [01:57] juliux: well, i am sure edbuntu rulez. the real problem is the "Marketing" here. [01:57] spiekey, yes i know, but the marketing is not so bad, we had a lot of response on cebit and linuxtag in wiesbaden [01:57] once the staff wants linux its an easy game. but to get them that far is the difficult task. [01:58] juliux: i know, i have been there. :o) [01:58] spiekey, ah [01:58] juliux: still, i would like to bring edbuntu to a school and it currently fails with non-technical information for the responsible staff. [01:59] something which explains opensource in 5-10 sentences, and then why in particular you want edbuntu in schools. [01:59] spiekey, that is right [01:59] they really dont care that its stable and comes from ubuntu, etc.. :) [02:00] i think we have to write something ;) [02:00] indeed! i am with you. [02:00] thats why i think we should start with a SRS :) [02:01] spiekey, i started with this some month ago http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu/Konzept to show the real price for an edubuntu installation [02:03] juliux: its a start :) [02:03] yes it is [02:03] but the big problem is that there is no german shop where you can buy thinclients [02:04] the shops who are selling thinclients cant say if they support pxe [02:04] juliux: intro email sent :) [02:05] RichEd, thxs [02:06] RichEd, you have a great job ;) [02:06] concidence: my first email email contact with someone called Mario ... and there are 2 in a row in my inbox : pygiMario & spiekeymario [02:06] juliux: well, thats the hardware part. I would also make a calculation with already present hardware. [02:06] hehe [02:07] coatia & germany ... [02:07] croatia :P [02:07] i guess we are different but all the same :) [02:07] huh? [02:07] spiekey, yes sure, but the problem is that you have to now what hardware is in the school, and that is very different. [02:08] RichEd, I am mario :) [02:08] i am too :) [02:08] hello mario :) [02:08] hello! ;) [02:08] spiekey: pygi mailed me: Mario ani (Croatia) spiekey mailed me: Mario Ohnewald (Germany) [02:08] spiekey, the problem is that in some areas each school has his own budget for hard and software, in other areas there is on central office who is buying all the it stuff [02:08] juliux: this would requite a splitted Konzept. One with and one without hardware. [02:09] so i guess my job is pretty international but repetitive ;) [02:09] spiekey, hm its an good idea [02:09] spiekey, but then they only need a good documentation [02:10] spiekey, and we need a marketing paper;) [02:10] juliux: yes, well... [02:10] indeed!!! [02:10] something why to use edubuntu [02:10] yeess! ;) [02:10] juliux: [you have a great job ] yes i do ... exciting but hectic ... this is the year of Ubuntu & Edubuntu ... growth & enquiries are exponential ... in volume (number of enquireis / projects) and implementations (number of installs) [02:11] lets say we have a Index. Index 1 is "Vorwort" or whatever. [02:11] RichEd, yes it is hectic, i was this year on three expos to present ubuntu and edubuntu and there are three left ;) [02:11] 2. Requirements. [02:11] spiekey, i think it should be only on din a 4 page not more [02:11] s/on/one [02:11] 2.1 Hardware requrement. 2.2. Buy hardware if not present. [02:11] or something alike. [02:12] juliux: the markeing stuff, yes. [02:12] spiekey, we should do that with some other people from the community in germany === RichEd has to spend time with his kids ... to see if they remember what i look like [02:12] RichEd, have fun [02:12] goodby to all Mario's, wherever you are [02:12] juliux: once they want it, you need a little tiny bit more infos which should fit on another DINA4 page or something. [02:13] and the rest of you as well [02:13] RichEd: thanks. and have fun! [02:13] :) [02:13] spiekey, a double layer din a 4 page should be enough [02:13] juliux: kisas (keep it short and stupid) [02:13] but then the hardware calucaltion is a overkill in my opinion. [02:14] spiekey, sorry but i have buy some food no before the shops close, i will be back in 1,5hrs [02:14] okidoke. [02:14] we really need a markeing concept here ;) [02:48] highvoltage, el-torito support for libisofs :) [02:49] orga: you there? [02:51] what would you guys put on a flyer? [02:51] i choose: Whats opensource? Whats Linux? Whats Edbuntu? How much is Edbuntu? Apps for Edbuntu? [02:59] spiekey, you need to put on the flyer what it can do for them [02:59] otherwise they won't read it [03:00] need to sell the benefits of it [03:00] eg "You can save hundreds of $$$ per year with Edubuntu" [03:01] good idea! [03:03] and you have to write something about the apps in edubuntu [03:03] and which kind of students should use the apps [03:03] and away again ;) [03:07] argh! [03:07] well, you need to lie to the customer, right? You wont be able to explain why Linux is not a OS but just the kernel :P [03:08] check it out: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=18980 [03:10] spiekey, I often never mention Linux to customers. I sell "Ubuntu" to them [03:10] well, technically, I sell "Ubuntu" training and migration [03:11] well, in that case i would go even further and skip ubuntu, too. Start streight with edbuntu. Its not fair for ubuntu and GNU/Linux, but it will be efficient [03:11] Haveing the live cd to demo is very handy [03:11] damn non-technical nerds! === Yagisan -> bed. evening all [03:12] n8n8 === gotama [n=guillerm@61-223-68-147.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:16] spiekey, do you want to make marketing for linux or for edubuntu? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] Hello [04:21] hi bddebian [04:21] Hello juliux [04:30] juliux: for both :D === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:38] Morning all [04:40] Morning sbalneav [04:41] Morning bddebian [04:46] hiho [04:47] Hello spiekey [04:52] spiekey, so you want to make marketing for linux via edubuntu? === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-224-206.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:58] juliux: hehe, no. [04:59] they must use edbuntu and its tools. [04:59] did you have a look at my pastebin? [05:00] your pastebin? [05:00] [15:08] check it out: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=18980 [05:00] ah [05:01] i wanna avoid that they get confused with linux/edubuntu [05:01] spiekey, i will talk with some marketing people in de next week and will see if they have a good idea [05:01] okidoke [05:02] because i have no idea what a non technical people want to have on a flyer, and what he needs to understand why edubuntu is cool [05:03] year, its best to ask some Zahlenschieber ppl ;) [05:03] no not a zahlenschieber, we need marketing people [05:04] well, yes. i was only kidding. sorry [05:04] but i knwo some people who are makeing marketing for other opensource projects [05:04] thats cool! [05:52] RichEd, poke [05:57] gotta go. cya === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Orby [n=grant@bb-87-81-116-75.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:26] Hiya all [07:26] phew what a lovely weekend [07:26] well fri/sat [07:28] cbx33: glad to hre that you're having a good time [07:28] highvoltage, stayed in a 4 start hotel for a night for lisa and mines wedding anniversary :p [07:28] s/start/star [07:28] how are you [07:29] seems like ages since we last spoke out of meetings [07:31] brb === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:36] hey cbx33 [07:36] i'm doing ok [07:36] yeh#hows the projet? [07:37] trying to relax but finding it a bit diffucult [07:37] now taht you are a company? [07:37] ah... [07:37] it's doing well === cbx33 did all of his relaxing today and yesterday [07:37] went to the pool 4 times in 2 dys [07:37] there's some exciting things happening, lots of local labs that are going to be installed [07:37] and spent some time in the spa ! [07:37] Excellent [07:37] some possible things in the future with canonical too [07:37] highvoltage, excellent [07:37] I'll be working more on SCP tomorrow [07:37] i spent the afternoon with friends at the beach, but it was way too cold and windy [07:40] heheh [07:41] I've gotten some strange emails from ogra [07:41] he's sent me a load of stuff with some microsoft formatting......this isn't like him at all [07:42] it's not really from ogra [07:43] it's someone who uses outlook express that got infected, and now it sends those e-mails to everyone in their address book [07:43] must be someone on one of the mailing lists, since we both get them [07:43] someone did it spoofing janew's e-mail address too [07:44] ah ok [07:44] thought so [07:44] ogra NEVER mails me [07:46] heheh [07:46] ok I'll delete them [07:48] there was a time where i deleted all mails that contained outlook express in the headers :) [08:00] heheh === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === hlabs [n=hlabs@CPE00121788bf68-CM00109558344a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:57] HI. I need some help . How can i setup my linux box to act as a network file server. Like i want my windows pc to store all files on the linux box [08:58] hlabs: Short answer, samba. Longer answer, you should probably ask in #ubuntu. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:41] hi ogra [09:41] ping === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-195-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === hlabs [n=hlabs@CPE00121788bf68-CM00109558344a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:06] ogra: ping [10:07] ok how can i do a quota management on my harddrive [10:08] You'd need to install the quota package, at a minumum [10:09] Currently, I don't think there's a gui tool for quota management, do you'd have to do some command line magic ) [10:10] Quota's work best when you've got your /home folder on a separate drive. [10:11] hlabs: http://yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialQuotas.html seems to have a good tutorial. [10:11] thanks for the help man === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:15] ping ogra [10:15] afternoon cbx33 [10:15] hi sbalneav [10:15] maybe yo'll know :p [10:15] ps --no-headers -o pid,cmd:60,%mem,%cpu,nice -aU pete [10:15] I have two users logged into a machine [10:16] running X sessions [10:16] I run that command [10:16] and the nagain with the second username [10:16] but I get some common processes, with the same pid? [10:16] can anyone explain this? [10:17] hmm, need to look at the command line args. [10:17] gimee a couple of secs [10:17] ok [10:18] hm..... oh [10:18] ahhhh [10:18] I wonder....I think I know [10:18] nm sbalneav [10:18] I'm wondering if you're getting some common stuff from the -a [10:18] hhm [10:18] actually [10:19] ok I'll take that out [10:19] -a includes process group leaders, so you might get a parent or two in there. [10:19] yeh [10:19] everyone spawns from the same sshd [10:19] so you'd get that in both places. [10:19] yes [10:19] thank you [10:19] I missed that [10:19]