[12:09] <trey_> does anyone have the next three days to help me with this i have a ton of questions?
[12:10] <Mez> trey_. probably not one person - but just ask questions and people will anser if they can
[12:11] <Blissex> trey_: that question came close to sounding like ''do you want to be my bitch?'' :-) Not a very good start... :-)
[12:12] <lordhelmet> trey: lol just ask away dude
[12:12] <trey_> no not at all Blissex i just want you to be forwarned that i am very very very new
[12:12] <lordhelmet> trey: we all were at one point
[12:13] <trey_> i want to set up this os to run my hardware like sound video and games and what not how do i do this where do i start right now i have no sound and dont know if its even detectintg my sound card
[12:13] <lordhelmet> dmesg | less
[12:13] <lordhelmet> look around for sound card related things
[12:13] <Mez> trey_, a lot of your questions regarding hardware etc can be answered in #ubuntu aswell :D
[12:14] <trey_> is this kubuntu 64bit capable
[12:14] <lordhelmet> also use alsamixer or something to make sure everything is enable
[12:14] <trey_> what is alsamixer
[12:14] <lordhelmet> 64bit: yes if you use the 64 bit installer cd
[12:15] <lordhelmet> mixer control panel for alsa
[12:15] <lordhelmet> i think you can apt-get install alsamixer
[12:15] <lordhelmet> there's also alsamixergui
[12:15] <trey_> is like the device manager for windows
[12:16] <lordhelmet> more like the volume control, but the big one when you double click the speaker
[12:16] <dawiz> alsamixer is sound control
[12:16] <trey_> ok gotcha
[12:16] <dawiz> in terminal type: 'alsamixer'
[12:16] <lordhelmet> btw what are you installing this on? hardwarewise...like mobo, processor, video card, sound card, etc
[12:17] <trey_> back to the 64 bit deal i got the x86 version because the 64 bit was listed for use with amd i am using and intel pentium d do i need to uninstall this version and run the other?
[12:17] <lordhelmet> amd64 is just the term to describe 64 bit, since amd did it first, but yes for 64bit you need the amd64 installer
[12:18] <lordhelmet> although it's not really worth it for most things
[12:18] <lordhelmet> makes some things harder
[12:18] <lordhelmet> like firefox plugins, etc
[12:18] <dawiz> fark macromedia
[12:18] <dawiz> no support for linux ppc
[12:18] <lordhelmet> since ur new, i would suggest playing with the x86 version. you'll have less problems
[12:18] <dawiz> wtf bastards
[12:19] <trey_> so should i run this or the other i am obviously very new i would think simpler is better right
[12:19] <lordhelmet> yes just stick with what you have
[12:20] <Mez> dawiz, moderate your language please
[12:20] <trey_> ok so back to this sound problem how can i check to see if my soundcard is even installed i mean i know the hardware is in the computer but what about the software side of it
[12:20] <lordhelmet> 'dmesg' list all the stuff the kernel does at boot, regarding hardware detection so type 'dmesg | less' in a terminal and read through some of that and look for sound card stuff
[12:21] <trey_> type dmesg i get but terminal is foreign what is that
[12:21] <dawiz> moderate my language?
[12:22] <dawiz> i did
[12:23] <lordhelmet> terminal is foreign? like foreign language?
[12:23] <trey_> no i am sorry i just dont know what you mean by terminal
[12:24] <trey_> do you still want to know all the hardware i am using sry i missed that earlier
[12:25] <dawiz> trey: do you know how to open a shell?
[12:25] <nagyv> How can I assign a protocol (lastfm://) to a given program (Amarok) in Firefox (or better in KDE, but to be used by Firefox too)?
[12:25] <dawiz> or command line?
[12:25] <trey_> you mean the run command option
[12:27] <dawiz> no
[12:27] <dawiz> open terminal
[12:27] <dawiz> K-->system-->Konsole
[12:27] <dawiz> trey
[12:27] <trey_> no i have no clue what your talking about
[12:27] <dawiz> can you point and click?
[12:27] <trey_> certianly
[12:28] <dawiz> K-->system-->Konsole
[12:28] <trey_> ohh my god ok i got you
[12:28] <dawiz> right on
[12:28] <dawiz> this is a terminal
[12:28] <trey_> ok gotcha
[12:28] <dawiz> aka shell
[12:29] <dawiz> you can control your whole system manually through this
[12:29] <trey_> ok
[12:29] <dawiz> sometimes its preferred
[12:29] <trey_> ok i am just really used to windows so please be patient
[12:30] <trey_> how can i look to see what hardware is recognized and in use
[12:30] <trey_> using this shell
[12:30] <jorik> type lspci
[12:30] <jorik> (and hit enter)
[12:31] <trey_> ispci response is command not found
[12:31] <jorik> lol, lspci ... with an l
[12:31] <jorik> an L
[12:31] <dawiz> but luckily for you kubuntu has gone to great lengths to make the gui user friendly
[12:31] <dawiz> if you really want to learn *nix youll certainly have to familiarize yourself with a command line
[12:31] <dawiz> lspci
[12:31] <dawiz> must be exact
[12:31] <trey_> oh roger that
[12:31] <dawiz> and is casa sensitive
[12:31] <dawiz> case*
[12:32] <trey_> ok got a whole list of stuff
[12:32] <jorik> try http://www.linuxcommand.org/ to learn the command line
[12:32] <dawiz> what is it your trying to do?
[12:32] <trey_> trying to install a sound and video card
[12:33] <trey_> saved that link jorik thank you
[12:33] <dawiz> a new one?
[12:33] <jorik> hmmm, what video card ?
[12:33] <dawiz> nice link jorik
[12:33] <jujimufu> I do "sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17", just as it says in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelCustomBuild , but it says that this package does not exist. Any ideas?
[12:33] <trey_> they are new to this os right the video is a nvidia 7900
[12:34] <dawiz> is this a first time install?
[12:34] <dawiz> its been a minute since i installed nvidia
[12:34] <dawiz> on linux
[12:34] <dawiz> if i remember right youll need drivers
[12:35] <dawiz> avail from nvidia
[12:35] <trey_> yes first time for this linux os i havent done anything but instal kubuntu on a blank drive
[12:35] <dawiz> ?
[12:35] <dawiz> was the card installed already?
[12:35] <trey_> yes it was
[12:35] <dawiz> ahh
[12:35] <dawiz> ok
[12:35] <dawiz> you need the nvidia drivers
[12:35] <dawiz> pretty sure
[12:36] <trey_> ok so just download normally from nvidia
[12:36] <dawiz> been at least a year since ive done it tho
[12:36] <dawiz> um
[12:36] <dawiz> go to nvidias site
[12:36] <dawiz> get proper drivers
[12:36] <dawiz> follow instructions
[12:36] <trey_> ok
[12:37] <dawiz> cant remember which directory to put them off the top of my head
[12:37] <trey_> they dont have to specific to linux though right just the latest drivers
[12:37] <dawiz> no
[12:37] <dawiz> one sec
[12:38] <trey_> ok i see options for linux its Ia32 or Ia64 or amd64/em64t or freebsd
[12:38] <dawiz> http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
[12:39] <dawiz> well
[12:39] <trey_> right thats where i am looking
[12:39] <dawiz> what platform are you on
[12:40] <trey_> i am guessing the linux la32
[12:40] <dawiz> you on intel?
[12:40] <trey_> yes
[12:40] <dawiz> yeah
[12:40] <dawiz> go 32bit
[12:41] <trey_> i am using a pentium d thought wich is 64 but the kubuntu i got i the x86 version so still go 32
[12:41] <dawiz> installation instructions are ri9ght there
[12:41] <dawiz> yeah
[12:42] <dawiz> should be ok
[12:42] <ccc_> !nvidia
[12:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:42] <ccc_> trey_: ^
[12:42] <dawiz> yeah that howto from ubuntu is prolly designed for friendlyness
[12:43] <trey_> thanks you for the link and help i will see what i can do with the info you have givin me thank you agian
[12:43] <dawiz> np
[12:43] <trey_> oh wait how can i tell if the card has been installed properly once i do these things
[12:43] <dawiz> um
[12:43] <dawiz> if video loads your good
[12:44] <dawiz> um other than that lspci should work...i think
[12:44] <dawiz> should list it
[12:44] <jorik> it says so in the url
[12:44] <apallo19> what's the name of the latest samba package?
[12:44] <trey_> ok  thank you
[12:44] <jorik> run "glxinfo" in a terminal
[12:45] <ballchalk> hi
[12:45] <jorik> see if it says "direct rendering: Yes"
[12:45] <dawiz> this will be a good crash course for you
[12:45] <dawiz> hehehe
[12:45] <ballchalk> which file(s) are resposible for video card settings?
[12:45] <dawiz> you get to edit .config files
[12:46] <dawiz> at least theyll tell you what to edit for this one tho
[12:46] <dawiz> mwahahaha
[12:46] <dawiz> i hate that
[12:46] <dawiz> "edit this"
[12:46] <nagyv> I have installed amarok 1.4, and it says that KDE should handle the lastfm:// protocol automatically, but in my case it doesn't. What should I do? (source: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Packaging_Amarok#lastfm:.2F.2F_protocol_for_Firefox)
[12:46] <dawiz> but doesnt tell you what to edit
[12:46] <dawiz> lol
[12:46] <red_> having a problem playing music stored on a fat32 partition
[12:47] <red_> it plays then stops immediatly
[12:47] <dawiz> should be pretty dtr8 forward from here trey
[12:48] <dawiz> str8*
[12:49] <red_> its on a seperate partition
[12:49] <jorik> red_: seems a rather odd problem, is this happening to all your songs on the partition ? do they work under windows ? what about regular files on the partition, are they ok ? can you play songs from other partitions ?
[12:50] <dawiz> later guys
[12:50] <jorik> laterz
[12:50] <red_> yes they work on the windows partition
[12:50] <red_> i also have my mail stored on that partition and it works fime
[12:50] <red_> and its for all songs
[12:51] <red_> all of my music is on the same partition
[12:51] <jorik> try copying a song over to another partition and playing it from there
[12:51] <red_> i have 3 one for kubuntu, 1 for windows, and 1 for music and storage
[12:51] <red_> ok
[12:51] <red_> will do
[12:52] <red_> been trying to figure this out for the last couple of days but its drivin me nuts
[12:53] <trey_> ok dawiz i got the driver try to double click and run it it opens in a program called Kate and both links to help files i got did not exist anymore
[12:53] <ccc_> nagyv: you're using amarok 1.4.0?
[12:54] <ccc_> nagyv: sorry, "1.4"
[12:54] <nagyv> ccc_: 1.4.1
[12:54] <ccc_> ok, thought so :) does it work in konqueror?
 it still will not play even if its on the same partition
[12:55] <trey_> can anyone give me a link to setting up kubuntu fo idiots or something similar something that covers the basic so i can at least be intelligable when i come back here and ask questions
[12:56] <jorik> red_: it's probably your audio player then, what are you using ? did you install the mp3 codecs ?
[12:56] <st3> Can anyone tell me how to run 1680 by 1050 resolution. Im new to Kubuntu and Linux in General. My research shows me I need 915resolution package installed but after I type "sudo apt-get install 915resolution" it tells me "Couldn't find package 915resolution"
[12:56] <red_> didnt realize i had to install the mp3 codecs
[12:56] <larson9999> ok, trying the tv tuner out
[12:56] <red_> ill try that
[12:56] <jorik> trey_: read the topic, search google and the forums
[12:56] <red_> i used kaffine, and amaroK
[12:57] <the-erm> mplayer ...
[12:57] <ballchalk> hello how do i upgrade my amarok to 1.4.1?
[12:58] <ballchalk> i did the sources.list and everything just need to know how to retrieve it
[12:59] <ccc_> ballchalk: sudo apt-get install amarok
[01:00] <ballchalk> ccc_: nevmd i got it thorugh adept
[01:00] <ballchalk> thakns
[01:00] <jorik> lol, i found a bug
[01:00] <^MiNi_D^> Kaffine wont play ANY sound
[01:00] <^MiNi_D^> but the system panel will
[01:00] <^MiNi_D^> any1 help me?
 a bug that plays music
[01:01] <red_> thats nice
[01:01] <jorik> red_: is everything working now ?
[01:03] <red_> i got a player called XMMS
[01:03] <red_> it plays
[01:03] <newbie_1000> I like XMMS. Basic, but works, like WinAmp
[01:03] <cozomo> everysing
[01:04] <red_> i like winamp too
[01:04] <red_> wouldnt mind having winamp
[01:04] <newbie_1000> Anybody have any tips on installing nVidia drivers?
[01:04] <newbie_1000> Winamp does have more features.
[01:05] <ccc_> red_: wait till you find out all the features in amarok. :) it's fantastic
[01:06] <newbie_1000> amaroK is really cool. Love the Lyrics and Wikipedia downloads.
[01:06] <red_> if i could get amarok to play that would be great too
[01:06] <newbie_1000> does KsCD play?
[01:07] <ccc_> red_: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[01:07] <ballchalk> i don't have gcc
[01:07] <ballchalk> how do i set it up
[01:07] <ballchalk> i got the bases of 3.3 and 4.0 installed
[01:07] <ballchalk> but no command
[01:07] <ccc_> newbie_1000: oh and don't forget the last.fm radio
[01:08] <klerfayt> newbie_1000: enable multiverse&universe; install nvidia-glx; run sudo nvidia-xconfig and reboot
[01:09] <newbie_1000> klerfayt: ok, what if my card, RIVA TNT2, is a "legacy" card?
[01:10] <ballchalk> did it
[01:10] <klerfayt> newbie_1000: then you install nvidia-glx legacy?
[01:10] <farous> need a recomendation here have to options for external HD a comstar 300gb which is basically a Maxtor 6L 300 R0 drive and the other option is a maxtor 200gb one touch II hd. Any recommend which is better in terms of heat and spinning down when not used specifically
[01:11] <Cr4sh5> hey guys got a question  i wanna load Kubuntu on my main comp but I dotn wanan loose my window stuff how can I create a divider
[01:11] <farous> robert__: this is specified in our fstab file
[01:11] <newbie_1000> klerfayt: thanks. I'll be bakc later if I need more help.
[01:11] <farous> sorry worng chan robert__
[01:11] <Cr4sh5> anyone?
[01:12] <^MiNi_D^> how do i found the device name of the sound card im using?
[01:12] <ballchalk> i have no sound from amarok streaming
[01:12] <ballchalk> what do i need to check for?
[01:13] <Cr4sh5> I need to create  divider in my hd so I can load linux
[01:13] <Cr4sh5> without losing my windows copy
[01:13] <^MiNi_D^> fdisk Cr4sh5
[01:14] <^MiNi_D^> :p
[01:14] <Cr4sh5> ok
[01:14] <Cr4sh5> thanks
[01:14] <^MiNi_D^> be careful what u do though
[01:15] <ballchalk> what other repositories can i add to my sources.list?
[01:15] <aliasfred> Cr4sh5: qparted is likely much easier to use
[01:15] <aliasfred> bla
[01:15] <aliasfred> 1sec late
[01:18] <ballchalk> hello
[01:18] <ballchalk> my sound wouldn't work
[01:18] <ballchalk> how do i test it?
[01:18] <linuxfree> does anybody know can I play a movie .ogg on kaffeine? I just can listen the music, but I can't see the movie.
[01:18] <^MiNi_D^> open control panel ballchalk and click "test sound" in the sound panel
[01:19] <^MiNi_D^> check that your mixers are set to the right level 1st
[01:19] <newbie_1000> klerfayt: cany you tell me what that command after installation was again? I didn't write it down.
[01:19] <linuxfree> if I open the same archive on VLC I can listen and see the movie.
[01:20] <klerfayt> newbie_1000: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[01:20] <newbie_1000> klerfayt: thanks
[01:22] <ballchalk> how do i get midi support?
[01:27] <ym4546> ballchalk:i believe you can install a packet called timidity
[01:28] <ym4546> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~djm/ubuntu/#timidity
[01:28] <red_> so what is everyone's favorite supported mp3 player on here
[01:28] <ym4546> ballchalk: but be warned i have not tried this, so i can't help you beyond that
[01:29] <ballchalk> ym4546: i'll leave it heh
[01:29] <ballchalk> thanks
[01:29] <ym4546> i tried
[01:29] <ballchalk> why doesn't amarok work?
[01:29] <ballchalk> i'm using xine engine
[01:31] <ccc_> ballchalk: what doesn't work?
[01:32] <mmorris> i'm about to the point of gettin rid of this stinkin os  I can't do nothin on here.
[01:32] <mmorris> All I want to do is install flash player...
[01:32] <ballchalk> ccc_: i don't see w32codecs in adept what sources should i add in sources.list
[01:32] <ballchalk> ?
[01:32] <mmorris> I aint never felt so stupid in my life... I download something, but i dont even know how to install it
[01:33] <ym4546> mmorris: there's bound to be a learning curve when you use a new OS
[01:33] <ccc_> ballchalk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-6c942d1939d97331f96e42b63774003fde7daed5
[01:33] <ballchalk> thaks
[01:33] <ym4546> mmorris: run "sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree"
[01:33] <ym4546> then run "sudo update-flashplugin"
[01:34] <^MiNi_D^> tbh i found debian was much nicer, if only because apt worked properly
[01:34] <^MiNi_D^> :p
[01:34] <jujimufu> I just untarred the linux-sources-2.6.15 file in /usr/src, and when I get on /usr/src/linux-sources-2.6.15, there is absolutely NO folder named "debian", which the tutorial on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KernelCustomBuild suggests.
[01:35] <ccc_> ballchalk: for mp3 you need libmad0 (in main) and libxine-extracodecs (in multiverse)
[01:36] <archangel_> trying to get help at #easyubuntu is like watching grass grow
[01:36] <archangel_> anyone here know how it works?
[01:36] <ballchalk> ccc_: w32codecs is installed and now i tried deborphan and it's an orphan
[01:36] <archangel_> I did it once and I cant remember what I did
[01:36] <ballchalk> how do i use it?
[01:37] <ballchalk> ccc_:  brb
[01:38] <zavenh> oh god, Ive forgotten how to change names in IRC
[01:38] <ccc_> zavenh: /nick :)
[01:38] <zavenh> thanks
[01:38] <zavenh> jeez, i was doing n and name
[01:38] <Warbringer87> there we go
[01:39] <ballchalk> ccc_: i can't locate libxine-extracodecs in adept
[01:39] <ballchalk> am i missing a repository in sources.list
[01:39] <ccc_> ballchalk: then you need to enable multiverse
[01:39] <ccc_> yes
[01:39] <nagyv> ccc_: sorry, I had to go, the lastfm:// protocol works fine in konqueror
[01:39] <ballchalk> hmm
[01:39] <ballchalk> ccc_: brb
[01:40] <Warbringer87> is anyone familiar with this guide? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[01:40] <Warbringer87> and does anyone know if it works with ubuntu
[01:40] <qadesh> mp3 support : try sudo apt-get xine-extracodecs ... worked fine for me on dapper
[01:40] <ballchalk> ccc_:  this is what i have in sources.................    deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:41] <ym4546> ballchalk: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic could help you generate an appropriate sources.list
[01:41] <qadesh> mp3 support you need to enable universe or multiverse repository
[01:41] <ym4546> ballchalk: so will ubuntuguide.org
[01:41] <qadesh> after enablin universe or multiverse
[01:41] <qadesh> sudo apt-get update
[01:41] <jujimufu> guys
[01:41] <qadesh> sudo apt-get update-dist
[01:41] <jujimufu> screw all this, get Easyubuntu
[01:42] <jujimufu> with easyubuntu, you get all the codecs together
[01:42] <jujimufu> with a few clicks
[01:42] <jujimufu> !easyubuntu > MaxL
[01:42] <qadesh> and then sudo apt-get install xine-extracodecs
[01:42] <ccc_> nagyv: ok, i don't use firefox so i don't know. but from the looks of it, that howto oughtta work
[01:42] <jujimufu> MaxL: download EasyUbuntu, install it, and then run it and check everything you want to download, including the codecs. If you only want the codecs, uncheck everything else, and check the codecs.
[01:42] <jujimufu> woops
[01:42] <jujimufu> sorry, wrong channel
[01:43] <archangel_> after you install easyubuntu where do you find it again to run it?
[01:44] <archangel_> I used it once, but cant find it now
[01:44] <ballchalk> brb
[01:44] <jujimufu> archangel:  I don't remember. Check the site's faq
[01:44] <jujimufu> anyway
[01:44] <jujimufu> gtg
[01:44] <jujimufu> byes everyone :D
[01:45] <tiagogb> hello world
[01:46] <archangel_> thaks
[01:51] <pierreth> how can i setup my mouse to scroll?
[01:52] <Phantom> hi.  i tried running adept recently, but got an error that another process is using the packaging system database.  i went through all my processes with ps, but there's nothing that looks like it is a packaging program.  i tried restarting the computer but still got the error.  any ideas?
[01:54] <the-erm> Maybe someone in here has done this ... I have a windows partition.  I have not used it from day one.  It's taking up 80 gig of space.  I'd like to just format it, but I'm not sure if that'll mess up my MBR.  If it does ... how do I reinstall the MBR without reinstalling kubuntu?
[01:55] <newbie_1000> the-erm: GRUB should be what's in your MBR. NOT Windows bootloader/
[01:55] <the-erm> ok
[01:55] <the-erm> So if I formatted that drive it wouldn't mess with the mbr.
[01:56] <red_> how do i add the sound icon back on my panel
[01:56] <newbie_1000> That's what I'm thinking.
[01:56] <red_> i dont remember how it left
[01:56] <the-erm> Phantom You're going to need to delete the lock file.
[01:56] <newbie_1000> To be sure, if you're paraniod, you can make a GRUB floppy.
[01:56] <Phantom> the-erm: where is that?
[01:57] <the-erm> Phantom: you also might have to run a command that rebuilds the database ...
[01:57] <the-erm> Let me look.
[01:58] <hivemind> hey guys, I'm trying to install the Moodin engine for KDE but I can't because it depends on a library that has been updated.
[01:58] <hivemind> I need Moodin for Dapper, but I can only find Hoary .debs.
[01:58] <hivemind> Any ideas?
[01:59] <the-erm> Phantom: for the life of me I can't find it now ...
[01:59] <newbie_1000> red_: I think the volume button is an applet.
[01:59] <red_> u know where i would find it
[02:00] <newbie_1000> maybe run kmix. that might get it going.
[02:00] <the-erm> red_: kmix, you can also run alsamixer from the console.
[02:00] <newbie_1000> it's no applet, sorry, it's kmix minimized to system tray.
[02:01] <red_> i got ya
[02:01] <red_> awesome
[02:01] <red_> thanks
[02:01] <newbie_1000> just save your session when you log off.
[02:01] <pierreth> how can i remove a shortcut?
[02:01] <pierreth> i mean a keyboard shorcut
[02:03] <newbie_1000> pierreth: System Settings => Regional & Accessibility
[02:03] <pierreth> newbie_1000: it crash
[02:04] <newbie_1000> pierreth: The System panel?
[02:04] <pierreth> yes
[02:04] <pierreth> i had a shortcut to start an app...
[02:04] <newbie_1000> not good. sorry, I don't know what to do. :-(
[02:04] <pierreth> then i removed the app but the shortcut is still there
[02:05] <pierreth> a cannot use it again
[02:08] <the-erm> kmenuedit?
[02:09] <the-erm> Or you can right click the icon if it's in the kicker panel, and delete it.
[02:10] <actinic> woohoo, off to a LAN in a few ... expecting over 40
[02:11] <D4rkly> how do i enable transparency on the menu ive done everything else ?
[02:11] <D4rkly> on the k menu
[02:13] <actinic> D4rkly, system settings > appearance > style, then click 'efffect' tab, then 'menu effect = translucent' and tweak opacity below
[02:14] <actinic> nothing like buring it :)
[02:14] <actinic> err burying
[02:15] <juan> how do i xtract file to read only areas?
[02:17] <D4rkly> thanx
[02:17] <pierreth> the-erm: it is bug 92358
[02:17] <linuxmint> is it possible to place a panel below the main panel (kicker) ?
[02:18] <pierreth> linuxmint: if the kicker is at the top
[02:18] <linuxmint> pierreth: I'd like both panels at the bottom, but the additional one on top of the main one.
[02:19] <pierreth> linuxmint: i think it is not possible
[02:19] <linuxmint> pierreth: is this a limitation of KDE ? I saw screenshots of kde 3.2 where it was done.. it looks like the possibility was removed..
[02:20] <Phantom> the-erm:  any luck on finding that lock file?  if not, do you know what i can google to try and find it myself?
[02:21] <D4rkly> is there any way to make the universal sidebar trasparent aswell ? :)
[02:21] <newbie_1000> Hey, I've lost all graphics. Running in text mode.
[02:21] <newbie_1000> Tried to install nvidia driver for RIVA TNT2
[02:22] <excitatory> if one wanted to use the fglrx driver..is it best to use the one in the ubuntu repos, or the ati.com driver?  (the wiki only points out the hibernation feature of the ati.com driver..but are there more reasons to use this driver?)
[02:24] <newbie_1000> Can anyone help me?
[02:26] <excitatory> newbie_1000: well.. be more specific.. did X suddenly crash.. or did you reboot and you only get a command line?  what exactly?
[02:27] <newbie_1000> Well, I installed the driver, wrongly I guess, and when I restart X I get that text splash screen.
[02:27] <newbie_1000> Something flickers.
[02:27] <newbie_1000> That's it.
[02:28] <newbie_1000> excitatory: so, yeah, reboot.
[02:30] <newbie_1000> excitatory: so, what can I do?
[02:31] <excitatory> how did you install your driver?
[02:31] <excitatory> did you follow an ubuntu wiki howto?
[02:32] <newbie_1000> yes, but must have gotten something wrong. Somewhat older card, had to use legacy package.
[02:32] <excitatory> ok.. well what card?
[02:33] <newbie_1000> Diamond Viper V770, which is really RIVA TNT2
[02:33] <excitatory> yea.. that is a little old
[02:33] <excitatory> ok
[02:33] <excitatory> one sec
[02:34] <excitatory> anyone else feel free to chime in
[02:34] <excitatory> my dinner finished a moment ago
[02:34] <newbie_1000> lol
[02:36] <excitatory> newbie_1000: tnt is an nvidia chipset, correct?
[02:36] <excitatory> or was that ati?
[02:36] <newbie_1000> Yes, it's on the nvidia website.
[02:36] <solemnwarning-lt> How can I disable the system speaker from beeping in konsole?
[02:36] <newbie_1000> excitatory: And listed on the ubuntu website as in the legacy package.
[02:37] <excitatory> solemnwarning-lt: i think you just go Settings | Bell > none
[02:38] <solemnwarning-lt> ok
[02:38] <rodrigo> hola
[02:38] <excitatory> newbie_1000: are you able to link me to the howto you followed?  or are you using irssi now from the broken box..
[02:38] <excitatory> hola, rodrigo
[02:39] <newbie_1000> I'm using irssi. But I found it on the CommonQuestions page, there's a link to nvidia/ati stuff there.
[02:39] <markrian> I tried upgrading to the KDE 3.5.4 packages for dapper, but I experienced a lot of odd font behaviour
[02:40] <markrian> for instance, fonts took up a load of space
[02:42] <excitatory> markrian: yea..stay away from those.. they've been borking systems.. i STILL DON'T KNOW WHY that build hasn't been taken down..
[02:42] <excitatory> newbie_1000: ok.. well.. i'm assuming dapper, correct?
[02:43] <newbie_1000> exyes
[02:43] <newbie_1000> yes
[02:43] <markrian> I guess jriddell has more important things to do ;o
[02:44] <excitatory> newbie_1000: before your rebooted, did you test it?  ctrl-alt-backpace to restart X, then you should have saw a nvidia logo..
[02:45] <solemnwarning-lt> The synaptics touchpad driver treats taps on the pad as mouse clicks, how can I make pressure on the pad be ignored?
[02:45] <excitatory> newbie_1000: and did you install the linux-restricted-modules package?
[02:45] <newbie_1000> excitatory: I tried to run the test in the System Settings => Display. That not work. I did restart X, but that did the same thing as a reboot,
[02:46] <newbie_1000> excitatory: I looked and it seemed to already be installed.
[02:46] <excitatory> hrm..
[02:46] <newbie_1000> How do I check?
[02:47] <Reaper_man> ok, searching on forums obvviously isn't helping soooo
[02:47] <excitatory> newbie_1000: it most likely wasn't installed, and this may be your problem.
[02:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> solemnwarning: In you xorg.conf, add the line 'Option "MaxTapTime" "0" ' (not including single quotes. do use the double quotes), under the section for your touchpad.
[02:47] <Reaper_man> what package(s) do I need to compile programs?
[02:47] <newbie_1000> aptitude install linux-restricted modules ?
[02:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Reaper_man: Try installing build-essential
[02:47] <excitatory> Reaper_man: install the build-essential package
[02:48] <excitatory> newbie_1000: no.. there's a certain package
[02:48] <excitatory> newbie_1000: do this
[02:48] <Reaper_man> and that will get me the make commands and such?
[02:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Reaper_man: Yep
[02:48] <excitatory> newbie_1000: uname -r
[02:48] <Reaper_man> okie
[02:48] <newbie_1000> it told me the kernel version
[02:49] <excitatory> newbie_1000: write that down, then do sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-INSERT KERNEL VERSION HERE
[02:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> !headers
[02:49] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[02:49] <newbie_1000> ok
[02:50] <Reaper_man> hmm, quite a few packages to grab... fun
[02:51] <excitatory> Reaper_man: depending on what you're compiling.. you'll probably have quite a few more
[02:51] <Reaper_man> ndistools
[02:51] <Reaper_man> ;p
[02:51] <Reaper_man> er...
[02:51] <Reaper_man> *ndiswrapper
[02:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> Reaper_man: That's in the repos.
[02:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[02:51] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 27 kB, installed size 136 kB
[02:52] <excitatory> newbie_1000: just so we know, do sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:52] <newbie_1000> ok
[02:53] <newbie_1000> I tried that command, linux-restricted-modules-KERNEL. Didn't work. Did I get the kernel version number wrong? It had a couple of dashes.
[02:53] <excitatory> newbie_1000: just do, sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[02:53] <excitatory> newbie_1000: that will grab the correct one.
[02:53] <newbie_1000> k
[02:54] <excitatory> newbie_1000: and finally do this: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:54] <noiesmo> newbie_1000,  sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[02:54] <newbie_1000> which is better? apt-get or aptitude?
[02:54] <excitatory> aptitude
[02:54] <excitatory> but they both work
[02:54] <excitatory> same commands even
[02:55] <excitatory> just a few subtle differences.. but we can discuss that later.
[02:55] <excitatory> make sure you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:56] <excitatory> newbie_1000: after you run the enable command, i think you just have to reboot..  if it doesn't work.. come back, and i have a couple other ideas.
[02:57] <newbie_1000> excitatory: I still can't download the module package. It can't find a package by that name.
[02:58] <excitatory> newbie_1000: what kernel version?
[02:58] <newbie_1000> 2.6.15-26-386
[03:00] <excitatory> newbie_1000: i'm thinking you don't have the universe repository enabled
[03:00] <excitatory> newbie_1000: did the nvidia drivers even install?
[03:00] <noiesmo> newbie_1000, have you got universe and multiverse in your sources.list and done an sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <newbie_1000> yes
[03:01] <newbie_1000> I don't know about the actual drivers
[03:01] <excitatory> newbie_1000: odd.. i can find them just fine.   linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-23-386 - Non-free Linux 2.6.15 modules on 386
[03:01] <excitatory> newbie_1000: well, did the nvidia-glx-legacy package appear to install?
[03:01] <newbie_1000> on minute...
[03:03] <excitatory> newbie_1000: well, i was going to suggest this, but i wasn't certain if it would work.. but you can probably just install this: linux-restricted-modules-386
[03:03] <dan2> hi there
[03:04] <dan2> how do I get the screen resolution software to work that's integrated into kcontrol
[03:04] <dan2> it won't let me change it from 1024x768
[03:04] <newbie_1000> maybe i'm mispelled something
[03:04] <newbie_1000> can you tell me the package name again?
[03:04] <excitatory> newbie_1000: install nvidia-glx-legacy and linux-restricted-modules-386
[03:05] <excitatory> fsck you dan2, i was just about to help you..
[03:06] <noiesmo> dan2, the options in kcontrol are determined by how xorg.conf is set up and your video drivers it also looks at the information on your monitors refresh rates these may need to be configured you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set monitor thru advance might help you
[03:06] <Jucato> lol
[03:06] <Jucato> fsck you... ^_^
[03:06] <newbie_1000> ok, ran nvidia-glx-config enable. Rebooting now. cya later.
[03:07] <Jucato> dan2 is gone...
[03:07] <noiesmo> Jucato, yeh just noticed that hah :)
[03:11] <newbie_1000> that didn't work. still no X.
[03:12] <excitatory> noiesmo: the reason i said that is because i was typing, and he left as i was typing.. a full 2 minutes after he asked the question..so yea, you just wrote that for nothing..
[03:12] <newbie_1000> talking about me?
[03:12] <noiesmo> excitatory, np :)
[03:12] <noiesmo> newbie_1000, what nvidia card have you got excatly
[03:13] <newbie_1000> RIVA TNT2
[03:14] <Healot> riva
[03:14] <Healot> it has stock driver
[03:15] <newbie_1000> I know it's in the nvidia -legacy package though.
[03:15] <excitatory> newbie_1000: did you do this before you rebooted? sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:15] <newbie_1000> yes
[03:15] <excitatory> hrm.
[03:15] <newbie_1000> might it be in my x.conf file?
[03:16] <newbie_1000> the problem?
[03:16] <noiesmo> newbie_1000, paste your xorg.conf in pastebin
[03:16] <excitatory> newbie_1000: there's something wrong.. what does your uname -r say again?
[03:16] <newbie_1000> 2.6.15-26-386
[03:17] <excitatory> noiesmo: dude, he doesn't have X
[03:17] <excitatory> ok.. that's it
[03:17] <excitatory> newbie_1000: where did you get that revision..
[03:17] <newbie_1000> Is there a text browser that I can use the paste-bin with?
[03:17] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: links, lynx, w3m are all text-based browsers.
[03:17] <newbie_1000> Just normal aptitude dist-upgrade.
[03:18] <excitatory> so far only 2.6.15-23-386 is out.. i don't understand how you have the 26
[03:18] <newbie_1000> hmm. let me look at it again.
[03:18] <Jucato> excitatory, the latest kernel is 2.6.15-26
[03:18] <newbie_1000> that's what it says.
[03:18] <excitatory> Jucato: odd..in dapper?
[03:18] <Jucato> excitatory: yes
[03:19] <Jucato> if you upgrade regularly and have dapper-security enabled
[03:19] <excitatory> Jucato: why don't i have that option?
[03:19] <excitatory> i upgraded a few hours ago
[03:19] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: You may need to disable your 3d accleration to get it working. You can then at least use a GUI, if not using everything to it's full possibility.
[03:19] <Jucato> excitatory: in your sources.list?
[03:19] <excitatory> Jucato: yes
[03:20] <Jucato> excitatory: it's dapper-security main, then add restricted for the restricted modules
[03:20] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: how?
[03:20] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: You do have a text browser, right? It'll be easiest if I pastebin the right area.
[03:20] <newbie_1000> That's how I was running before.
[03:21] <newbie_1000> um, may need to install links, but that should take seconds.
[03:21] <excitatory> Jucato: still nothing
[03:21] <Jucato> excitatory: what do you mean by "still nothing"?
[03:21] <excitatory> Jucato: i've had dapper-updates set up for a long time now.. since install.. i updated, tried upgrading, even dist-upgrading.. no new kernel version
[03:22] <Jucato> excitatory: not dapper-updates, dapper-security. they are different
[03:22] <excitatory> ah.
[03:22] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: how's that coming?
[03:22] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: Pastebin is very slow. :\
[03:23] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/771621
[03:23] <CheezBurgerMan_> Inside that part of your xorg.conf, add Option "noaccel"
[03:24] <excitatory> Jucato: ha... interesting.. i have quite a few updates.
[03:25] <Jucato> excitatory: probably lots :-D
[03:25] <excitatory> that's odd that i wasn't aware of that..
[03:25] <Jucato> the new firfox is also there
[03:25] <excitatory> really odd
[03:25] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: will that return my system to the un-configured setting? Before I installed the driver I had 2D gui.
[03:25] <Jucato> excitatory: are you using linux-restricted-modules?
[03:25] <excitatory> meh..konq all the way.. maybe swiftfox..especially since they have a ubuntu repo
[03:25] <excitatory> Jucato: yes
[03:25] <qadesh> Hello all
[03:26] <Jucato> excitatory: then you must add "restricted" to the "dapper-security main" line
[03:26] <newbie_1000> I like konq but it not work with gmail chat.
[03:26] <qadesh> how to play .mov files (quicktime) on kubuntu dapper
[03:26] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: I'm not sure what you've done, so I can't say for sure, but it should give you your GUI back.
[03:26] <Healot> hi kubuntuans
[03:26] <Jucato> otherwise, your linux-restricted-modules won't get updated
[03:26] <excitatory> Jucato: yea.. already taken care of. :D
[03:26] <newbie_1000> qadesh: no way I know of besides quicktime in WINE.
[03:26] <qadesh> ok thanks
[03:26] <excitatory> newbie_1000: shh.. it's easy
[03:26] <excitatory> don't need wine
[03:27] <excitatory> qadesh: wait
[03:27] <qadesh> I'm waiting
[03:27] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: links still not loading. grr...
[03:27] <excitatory> qadesh: you'll need some extra repos, but you can easily play quicktime
[03:27] <Healot> you need 12 cans of beer, a package, and some knowledge on installing package
[03:27] <excitatory> and some cannabis..ah yes..
[03:27] <qadesh> send it ... I'm waiting
[03:27] <Jucato> lol
[03:27] <qadesh> all *verse are enabled
[03:28] <Healot> !find quicktime
[03:28] <ubotu> Found: libquicktime-dev, libquicktime0, quicktime-utils, quicktime-x11utils
[03:28] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: yeah, pastebin is very slow.
[03:28] <Healot> i think they are in multiverse section of dapper repos
[03:28] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: I've never used this pastebin. There's a different one. pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org or something like that.
[03:28] <qadesh> nope
[03:29] <newbie_1000> !paste
[03:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:29] <newbie_1000> yeah, that's it.
[03:29] <excitatory> qadesh: you should really just plow through here and install what you need.. kaffeine plays quicktime perfectly for me.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[03:30] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: Wow, that's faster. here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21048
[03:31] <excitatory> qadesh: it's in the w32codecs package
[03:31] <excitatory> qadesh: you'll need to enable this repo..  add this to /etc/apt/sources.list  --> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
[03:32] <qadesh> ok ... let's do that
[03:32] <excitatory> qadesh: then do: gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[03:32] <excitatory> apt-get update
[03:32] <excitatory> then install w32codecs
[03:33] <shadowww> i this is my firast attemp installing kubuntu on a sata raid... do i need to download aditional drivers before launching an installation
[03:34] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_: what now? I've forgotten your instructions, now that the pastebin finally loaded.
[03:34] <excitatory> qadesh: you'll also want to enable the universe and multiverse repos, and install libxine-extracodecs, libarts1-mpeglib, libarts1-xine, libakode2-mpeg, and libk3b2-mp3
[03:34] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: add Option "noaccel" between Section and End Section
[03:35] <newbie_1000> CheezeBurgerMan_: what file?
[03:35] <qadesh> so w32codecs are sufficient to read .mov ?
[03:35] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <newbie_1000> k
[03:36] <qadesh> libxine-extracodecs are already installed
[03:36] <excitatory> qadesh: yes.. but really read the restricted formats link i sent you.
[03:36] <qadesh> thanks I'm reading
[03:37] <excitatory> qadesh: w32codecs covers: wmp9, real8/9, quicktime, morgan, ms mpeg-4, intel 263, indeo video, divx, cinepak, and ati vcr-2
[03:38] <excitatory> qadesh: and quite a few more
[03:38] <newbie_1000> CheezBurgerMan_ : so I insert "Option noaccel" ? or just "noaccell" ?
[03:38] <CheezBurgerMan_> Options "noaccel"
[03:38] <newbie_1000> k
[03:38] <CheezBurgerMan_> Err, wait
[03:39] <CheezBurgerMan_> Option "noaccel"
[03:40] <newbie_1000> so, now I reboot and I should get 2D graphics back?
[03:40] <shadowww> ...
[03:40] <Jucato> no need to reboot, right?
[03:40] <newbie_1000> startx
[03:40] <Jucato> just restart X
[03:40] <newbie_1000> ??
[03:40] <newbie_1000> ok, we'll see. ...
[03:41] <Jucato> ctrl+alt+backspace will (abruptly) restart X
[03:41] <Jucato> don't forget to save anything that needs saving
[03:41] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: Yeah, restart  X (if it's running)
[03:41] <newbie_1000> have no X running.
[03:41] <Jucato> cool
[03:41] <newbie_1000> And can't log in properly. I'll just reboot and see.
[03:41] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: Just type 'startx'
[03:42] <dan2> hi guys
[03:42] <dan2> I'm having major issues getting my display resolution correct
[03:42] <dan2> I think I'm having issues between my laptop monitor and my real monitor attached
[03:43] <shadowww> i this is my firast attemp installing kubuntu on a sata raid... do i need to download aditional drivers before launching an installation
[03:44] <Jucato> CheezBurgerMan_: what was his problem again?
[03:44] <CheezBurgerMan_> Jucato: X wouldn't start.
[03:44] <Jucato> oh... why? what error messages did he have?
[03:44] <CheezBurgerMan_> [21:06]  <noiesmo> dan2, the options in kcontrol are determined by how xorg.conf is set up and your video drivers it also looks at the information on your monitors refresh rates these may need to be configured you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set monitor thru advance might help you
[03:45] <dan2> CheezBurgerMan_: I did that, in fact, I got the vert and horizontal sync from the manufacuturer, it's not working
[03:45] <dan2> xorg.conf is setup to work with two resolutions 1280x1024 and 1024x768
[03:45] <CheezBurgerMan_> Ah. I'm not really sure what to do, I just copied it from earlier. ;)
[03:45] <dan2> it won't let me get into 1280
[03:45] <Jucato> Isn't the new "Display" module in System Settings supposed to make it easier to set things like that?
[03:46] <dan2> this issue occured after I upgraded from breezy
[03:46] <dan2> (a few hours ago)
[03:46] <newbie_1000> I STILL don't have X!
[03:46] <Jucato> hmm... newbie_1000, when did this start happening?
[03:46] <newbie_1000> How can I get back to the default settings.
[03:47] <newbie_1000> When I tried installing nvidia driver for my video card.
[03:47] <dan2> I'll be back
[03:47] <CheezBurgerMan_> newbie_1000: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:47] <Jucato> oh? hmm... I think the solution is simpler than it seems
[03:47] <newbie_1000> will that set it to install default? what about removing the drivers?
[03:47] <qadesh> Seen this :> http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation&Itemid=38
[03:48] <Jucato> newbie_1000: would you be so kind as to check whether "restricted" is enabled/added in the "dapper-security  main" line?
[03:48] <newbie_1000> ok
[03:48] <Jucato> newbie_1000: it should look something like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted"
[03:49] <Jucato> claydoh: this is the longest time I've seen you online :-D
[03:50] <newbie_1000> no, I don't think so.
[03:50] <Jucato> aha! that's the problem :-D
[03:50] <Jucato> nvidia needs linux-restricted-modules. but your linux-restricted-modules version probably don't match your kernel version.
[03:51] <newbie_1000> ok
[03:51] <newbie_1000> that's why it wouldn't download.
[03:51] <Jucato> for some odd reason, "restricted" isn't added by default to the dapper-security line. add it, then sudo apt-get update then upgrade
[03:52] <Jucato> then double check if your linux-restricted-modules and linux-image match
[03:52] <Jucato> if uname -r is "2.6.15-26-xxx", the linux-restricted-module should also be "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-26-xxx"
[03:52] <newbie_1000> k, hold your horses. no X, things go slow.
[03:52] <Jucato> ehehe. sorry...
[03:53] <newbie_1000> how do I tell what the linux-restricted module is?
[03:53] <Jucato> dpkg -l | grep linux-restricted-modules
[03:53] <Jucato> see which one is installed
[03:56] <Jucato> question: does anyone know how to make Konqueror follow the website's font/style/size settings, rather than the system's?
[03:56] <claydoh> Jucato: lol yeah, the phone has not rung, as thee wife is out of town :)
[03:56] <Jucato> lol! eheheh!
[03:57] <Jucato> now you can enjoy (semi-)uninterrupted internet connection :-D
[03:57] <claydoh> but ill have dsl in a week or 2 w00t!
[03:57] <Jucato> kool!
[03:57] <Jucato> we'll probably seeing you here a lot then :-D
[03:57] <DaSkreech> shadowww: I'd guess you have a Live CD?
[03:58] <claydoh> lol I usually lurk here, till someone sez my name :)
[03:58] <Jucato>  @_@
[03:58] <Jucato> I will no longer  call "the name that must not be mentioned" :-D
[03:58] <claydoh> don't worry about that, Jucato
[03:59] <claydoh> it means someone knows me :)
[03:59] <Jucato> oooh
[03:59] <Jucato> newbie_1000: how's it going?
[03:59] <newbie_1000> my linux-restricted-modules is not correct. how do I fix that? aptitude uninstall linux-restricted-modules-386 is what I'm guessing.
[03:59] <newbie_1000> my linux-restricted-modules is not correct. how do I fix that? aptitude uninstall linux-restricted-modules-386 is what I'm guessing.
[04:00] <newbie_1000> oops
[04:00] <Jucato> yo draik! nice to see you again
[04:00] <draik> LOL
[04:00] <dan2> alright this is irritating
[04:00] <draik> Jucato, I was just about to look for you
[04:01] <Jucato> newbie_1000: well, you have to install the new linux-restricted-modules first. in your sources.list, add "restricted" to the "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main" line
[04:01] <newbie_1000> Jucato: what do I do now? I've enabled dapper-security restricted.
[04:01] <Jucato> newbie_1000: sudo aptitude update
[04:01] <newbie_1000> should I uninstall the old one?
[04:01] <Jucato> newbie_1000: if you still have the older 2.6.15-23 kernel around, you can keep it (for backup)
[04:02] <newbie_1000> na, I don't
[04:02] <Jucato> then you could probably remove it now.
[04:02] <Jucato> or
[04:02] <newbie_1000> I installed linux-restricted-modules-386 at someone else's suggestion earlier. Should I uninstall it now?
[04:02] <Jucato> first do "sudo aptitude update" the "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[04:03] <newbie_1000> ok
[04:04] <Hawkwind> newbie_1000: It's best to keep atleast 2 kernels installed.  That way if one messes up, you always have a second one to boot to and try and fix things
[04:04] <newbie_1000> how do I go about doing that?
[04:05] <Healot> buy a kernel :)
[04:05] <newbie_1000> modules don't do anything to the kernel itself anyways.
[04:05] <Hawkwind> newbie_1000: Don't uninstall them
[04:05] <Jucato> ehehe one issue at a time
[04:05] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:05] <newbie_1000> I just distro-upgraded over the old one last week.
[04:06] <newbie_1000> * dist-upgrade
[04:06] <Hawkwind> newbie_1000: Then it installed the new one *next* to the old one. It didn't overwrite it
[04:06] <newbie_1000> I can buy a kernel of corn, but not a linux kernel I don't think.
[04:06] <newbie_1000> ok. would it be in the /boot directory or something?
[04:07] <Jucato> newbie_1000: better focus first on getting X running...one thing at a time :-D
[04:07] <newbie_1000> just waiting for things to download right now.
[04:07] <Healot> the kernel image will be there, the modules will be somewher in /lib/
[04:08] <Jucato> newbie_1000: when you boot up, do you get different options for Ubuntu like kernel 2.6.15-23 then another one for kernel 2.6.15-26?
[04:08] <newbie_1000> no menu, just straight install. I think something to do with /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:08] <Jucato> probably...
[04:09] <newbie_1000> i said install, I meant boot
[04:09] <Jucato> newbie_1000: what does "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" output? does it show a 2.6.15-23 and a 2.6.15-26?
[04:10] <newbie_1000> let me see...
[04:11] <newbie_1000> 2.6.15-23-386 and 2.6.15-26-386 are installed. 26 is running.
[04:11] <Jucato> oh so the older kernel is still there
[04:11] <Jucato> don't uninstall the older linux-restricted-modules
[04:12] <newbie_1000> I won't.
[04:12] <newbie_1000> I see no reason to actually use the older kernel unless I somehow fudge the new one.
[04:12] <Jucato> newbie_1000: well, it's always good to have backups
[04:13] <newbie_1000> that's what I said I think.
[04:13] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:13] <Jucato> I just confirmed it
[04:13] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: -_o
[04:13] <DaSkreech> I have my eye on you
[04:13] <newbie_1000> But seeing as I don't think I'm going to be compiling any custom kernels anytime soon, I think I'm good.
[04:13] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: good cause your going to need the other to see
[04:14] <newbie_1000> hi DaSkreech.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> newbie_1000: Hallo
[04:14] <mighty-d> hi, i'm having some problems with my sane scanner, i have a canon pixma mp170, i can get xsane to work only as root, i've tried to chmod to /proc/bus/usb/007/002 -> my scanner with no results
[04:14] <Jucato> question: does anyone know how to make Konqueror follow the website's font/style/size settings, rather than the system's?
[04:15] <newbie_1000> I've upgraded, so now I run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[04:16] <Jucato> newbie_1000: uhuh
[04:16] <newbie_1000> ok. here we go!
[04:16] <Jucato> good luck!
[04:17] <newbie_1000> gonna test it. cya later.
[04:24] <Bearcat> !seen foot
[04:24] <ubotu> I last saw foot (n=lovely@64-17-77-17.co.warpdriveonline.com) 1d 11h 39m 57s ago, quiting:
[04:24] <DaSkreech> !seen hobbsee
[04:24] <ubotu> I last saw Hobbsee (n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee) 12m 11s ago, quiting: "work"
[04:25] <Jucato> !seen DaSkreech
[04:25] <ubotu> DaSkreech is on IRC right now!
[04:25] <Jucato> ^_^
[04:25] <DaSkreech> !seen ubotu
[04:25] <ubotu> ubotu is on IRC right now!
[04:25] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <otaku-san> Yo!  Ok I've been having problems when I pulled of a n00b move and Entered kwin --replace into konsole!!!  Everytime I start Kubuntu up my whole screen is in like 8 bit mode....I just restart X and all is good...
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Silly  bot :)
[04:25] <Jucato> newbie_1000: how did it go?
[04:25] <newbie_1000> I've got X!
[04:25] <newbie_1000> And that nvidia screen
[04:25] <Jucato> kool!
[04:26] <otaku-san> Helpest....does anyone know how to be back X in to submission?
[04:26] <otaku-san> that is *beat...not be
[04:26] <newbie_1000> Don't know how well the actuall 3D acceleration will work. It was a good card, in it's day.
[04:26] <newbie_1000> oh well
[04:26] <newbie_1000> thanks all of you for all the help.
[04:26] <otaku-san> newbie_1000: Coolness...just don't enter kwin --replace...not good
[04:27] <Jucato> newbie_1000: try running "glxgears" to see if 3D acceleration is working fine
[04:27] <Jucato> lol
[04:27] <newbie_1000> seems allright to me. some of the OpenGL screensavers had an abysmal framerate.
[04:28] <Jucato> well now they should work fine
[04:28] <otaku-san> ok how is ubotu?  Is it a bot or something...cause it seems to repeat things far to much...] 
[04:28] <otaku-san> who*
[04:28] <newbie_1000> no, I was just testing them now. they still were slow. Is there a way to tune OpenGL?
[04:28] <Jucato> yeah it's a bot
[04:28] <Jucato> oh...
[04:28] <Jucato> hm...
[04:28] <newbie_1000> gyhckvul''''
[04:28] <newbie_1000> 'darn kid brother
[04:29] <otaku-san> Jucato: what does this bot do?
[04:29] <ash211> !ubotu
[04:29] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[04:29] <Jucato> lol
[04:29] <otaku-san> .....creepy
[04:29] <Jucato> it's usually useful for displaying info, links to wikis, help pages, etc.
[04:29] <otaku-san> sounds like a new toy to misuse
[04:30] <Jucato>  @_@
[04:30] <newbie_1000> ok, cya all. dinner time after all of that configuring.
[04:30] <Snowmadic> greetings again.
[04:59] <phiberglaz> hello, what app was used to make the kubuntu.com website?
[05:00] <stray77> im guessin but it might be e107
[05:01] <phiberglaz> e107?
[05:01] <Hawkwind> Yes, e107
[05:01] <Hawkwind> It's a full CMS
[05:01] <phiberglaz> ah ok :)
[05:01] <phiberglaz> thanks
[05:02] <otaku-san> Hawkwind: where can I get e107?
[05:02] <stray77> sourceforge
[05:02] <Hawkwind> From their website, e107.org
[05:02] <stray77> there too
[05:02] <otaku-san> hehe thanks guys
[05:02] <stray77> im just happy i guess right
[05:03] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:03] <jacob> basic question
[05:03] <jacob> is adept set up got get packages from a CD
[05:03] <jacob> ?
[05:03] <jacob> by default
[05:04] <Jucato> jacob: if you installed without an internet connection, I think yes. But if you installed using the Desktop (Live) CD, that's practically useless...
[05:04] <jacob> i did, but isn't build-essential on the CD?
[05:05] <Jucato> jacob: the Desktop CD cannot be used as a repository. only the Alternate Install CD can do that
[05:05] <jacob> :/
[05:06] <jacob> how would I install build-essential then?
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Setup the right repos
[05:06] <Jucato> jacob: from the repositories
[05:06] <Hawkwind> !repos > jacob
[05:06] <jacob> without an internet connection?
[05:06] <Jucato> err...
[05:06] <Hawkwind> Get an internet connection
[05:06] <jacob> >_>
[05:07] <Hawkwind> Surely you have one since you're here and you downloaded the CD previously
[05:07] <mighty-d> lol
[05:07] <larson9999> got this newer ati tv tuner here.  anyone know how i can install it?  doesn't look like there is a driver on the ati site
[05:07] <jacob> i do have an internet connection, but i can't use it since my wireless card isn't supported
[05:07] <Hawkwind> What wireless card ?
[05:07] <jacob> i wanted to install ndiswrapper so i could use my card's drivers
[05:08] <jacob> it's a broadcom laptop card
[05:08] <jacob> it's on ndiswrapper's supported list
[05:08] <Hawkwind> jacob: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[05:08] <Hawkwind> jacob: Follow that.  It's for Broadcomm stuff and should get your card working
[05:10] <jacob> Hawkwind: that guide assumes that i have wired internet access on the machine i want to set up, but I don't
[05:12] <Hawkwind> jacob: Without taking a few seconds to setup a wired connection, you're pretty much out of luck.  Surely you can set it up real quick
[05:12] <Hawkwind> I think if you wanted internet access bad enough you would anyways
[05:14] <jacob> setting up a wired connection would be pretty inconvenient, i think
[05:14] <jacob> i could do it
[05:15] <Hawkwind> jacob: Why would it ?
[05:15] <Hawkwind> jacob: If you want to get a wireless connection, you almost have to have a wired connection first at some point
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> sort of hard to set the wireless router settings otherwise. :P
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> but there is that new thingi saw out. :) hit a button and some how they auto-talk (but i doubt if that works under linux right)
[05:16] <jacob> well, i figured that with the ndiswrapper files and driver files already there, it would just be easier to get build-essential so i could do the make install for ndiswrapper
[05:17] <jacob> ...right? >_>
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:35] <Ed_L> there wouldn't be an edgy iso available would there (I realise it's developmental, no support etc, but it's a dedicated testing machine :))
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> check #ubuntu+1
[05:37] <Ed_L> thanks
[05:38] <Jucato> actually there is
[05:44] <aquablu> just want to run limewire on kubuntu, but it doesnt have java,i tried fetching java packages from adept ,but trying to install limewire ,its saying java needs upgrading?
[05:45] <aquablu> is there an easy way on kubuntu to get java
[05:45] <Cornellius> Try EasyUbuntu
[05:45] <Hawkwind> !java > aquablu
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> !java
[05:46] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[05:46] <aquablu> im on a laptop and only kubuntu runs on it
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> plus you may have to run that command to select the sun java, not the  open-sourced GCC variant.
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> Plus you may want to check into that limewire alternative
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> !limewire
[05:46] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> !FrostWire
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about FrostWire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> silly defs. :P lol
[05:47] <Hawkwind> !frostwire
[05:47] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> silly case senetive defs. :P lol
[05:48] <Ed_L> heh
[06:12] <dein> isnt apollon a good replacement for limeywire?
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use frostwire these days
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> not tried apollon
[06:13] <dein> hmm ill try frostwire and say if it's better
[06:14] <Cornellius> Apollon is a frontend for giFT
[06:15] <dein> gift also runs other networks other than openft
[06:15] <dein> i think it grabs gnutella and can do fasttrack too
[06:16] <dein> not that i use the fasttrack network anymore
[06:37] <larson9999> phoey, i can't find a driver
[06:37] <ironfroggy> does anyone know if there are .deb's available for ogre3d 1.2?
[06:44] <digivore> hello
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> hi
[06:47] <jacob_> Hawkwind: Thanks for that link, it worked perfectly
[06:49] <SHan_> i'm having some serious click lag in UT
[06:52] <digivore> Hi, i have a question.. i just installed ubuntu.   and i'm trying to grasp how to install other programs, such as firefox...
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, sudo apt-get install <package>
[06:53] <digivore> i've managed to download it and un-tar it... but after that... no idea
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> from the command line
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> or use adept
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> open up a terminal, a konsole whatever
[06:53] <Admiral_Chicago> and type "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[06:54] <Admiral_Chicago> thats all you need, you don't need to compile from source or anything
[06:55] <digivore> ahh ok cool,  this is installing from ubuntu server?
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu server?
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> yea
[06:55] <Admiral_Chicago> it installs it from a repositories
[06:55] <digivore> where are those?
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> those are basically a grouping of packages available for install
[06:56] <digivore> how do i know what else is in the repositories? and are they always the latest versions?
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, check synaptic or adept
[06:56] <Admiral_Chicago> and no, its usually the latest stable version that has been uploaded to the repo
[06:56] <farous> digivore: you can alwasy also check packages.ubuntu.com
[06:58] <digivore> synaptic and adept.   websites?
[06:58] <Admiral_Chicago> check your menu, they are programs.
[06:59] <jacob_> if he just installed kubuntu he probably doesn't have synaptec, does he?
[06:59] <digivore> ok,   so i did that 'sudo apt-get install firefox'   now how do i find the 'executable?'
[07:00] <jacob_> type 'firefox' into a terminal
[07:00] <jacob_> or check your menu
[07:00] <jacob_> under internet
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> !info firefox
[07:00] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.5-0ubuntu6.06.1 (dapper), package size 7730 kB, installed size 22912 kB
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> nolte, you don't undestand
[07:00] <farous> digivore: kappfinder for automatic inclusion in kde menu :)
[07:00] <Admiral_Chicago> that command will find firefox online, download it, and install it
[07:01] <digivore> ahh yah and there it is!
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, for your future information apt-get install <package> works for a lot of stuff
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> like sudo apt-get install amarok will install a media player
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> etc
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, just have your repos enabled
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> !repo
[07:02] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[07:03] <digivore> wow, i'd like to eventually try it with enlightenment.  but i just got ubuntu running and really want to learn how it all works.
[07:03] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, i like kde and kubuntu
[07:04] <digivore> right kubuntu...   with the KDE
[07:05] <waggle7622frack> why would my other systems see my kubuntu box, but it cant see them in smb://mynetwork/ even though I can ping them?
[07:05] <digivore> ahhh..very new to this...  KDE, X, Enltnmnt...    what can they do differently?  why would one prefer one over another?
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> digivore, depends on your layout pref
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> unline windows.
[07:09] <Admiral_Chicago> waggle7622frack, you can ping them if they are online
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> but that doesn't mean they exactly connect through your computer
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i dunno, don't ask me I suck at network
[07:12] <waggle7622frack> Ok thanks for trying. Is there a good channel for networking that you know of?
[07:12] <waggle7622frack> or samba?
[07:13] <digivore> thanks fo rhelp
[07:13] <digivore> bye
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> waggle7622frack, try #samba
[07:14] <waggle7622frack> thanks
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i used it once, but I didn't get the network working...
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> because I suck at networking
[07:39] <ballchalk> hellloooo
[07:39] <ballchalk> where can i back up my Xserver configs???
[07:39] <ballchalk> like video adapter settings and everything?
[07:39] <ballchalk> i had to reinstall kubuntu because i didn't know how to reconfigure
[07:41] <noiesmo> ballchalk, you x config files are in /etc/X11
[07:41] <noiesmo> xorg.conf is the main file
[07:44] <ballchalk> nolte: thanks
[07:48] <SHan_> i can boot into linux but i cant boot into windows :/
[07:49] <SHan_> gives a stop error and reboots
[07:49] <SHan_> think its grub thats messing up
[07:49] <Phirax_On_Laptop> SHan_: is windows grub linux on the same drive?
[07:50] <SHan_> yup
[07:51] <ballchalk> does anyone know how i can increase the mouse sensitivity?
[07:52] <ballchalk> in xwindows i think not kde
[07:52] <ballchalk> on uhuntu that is
[07:52] <SHan_> think you can help me Phirax_On_Laptop ?
[07:52] <Phirax_On_Laptop> SHan_: how are your partitions set? ie drive size, part0 size type etc
[07:52] <SHan_> i dont have the XP bootable.. but i do have the 2k bootable :/
[07:53] <SHan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, hold on
[07:53] <SHan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, 4 partitions of 40 gb each
[07:54] <SHan_> 2 to windows (ntfs) and 2 to linux (/ and /home)
[07:54] <Phirax_On_Laptop> SHan_: and the order of them?
[07:55] <SHan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, hda1=/, hda2=NTFS, hda3=FAT,hda4,hda5 =/home
[07:56] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hda4 is the swap?
[07:56] <SHan_> no
[07:56] <SHan_> 6,7,8 are swap
[07:56] <SHan_> hda4 is a logical freespace
[07:56] <Phirax_On_Laptop> oh ok
[07:56] <SHan_> 0.01 MBlol
[07:57] <Phirax_On_Laptop> and you can boot linux fine?
[07:57] <SHan_> yeah
[07:57] <SHan_> but windows reboots half way through the boot
[07:57] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i assume windows is on hda2?
[07:57] <SHan_> i had manually added the windows boot option in grub since I had installed windows over linux
[07:57] <SHan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, yeah
[07:58] <SHan_> so i revocered linux from a live cd and then re configured grub
[07:58] <Phirax_On_Laptop> ok so basically linux boots fine, but windows only half loads (as in you get the loading screen with the moving bar) then reboots?
[07:59] <SHan_> yup
[07:59] <Phirax_On_Laptop> that doesn't sound like a grub issue
[07:59] <SHan_> then gives me a blue screen of death (stop error) for half a second and then reboots
[07:59] <Phirax_On_Laptop> have you changed any hardware?
[07:59] <SHan_> not that i can recollect
[07:59] <SHan_> no
[07:59] <Phirax_On_Laptop> or moves drives or anything
[07:59] <SHan_> i had tried to detect a couple of drives that were not showing up at the office
[08:00] <Phirax_On_Laptop> did you change any of the partitions at all?
[08:00] <SHan_> but thats about it
[08:00] <SHan_> nope
[08:00] <SHan_> no changes in partition
[08:00] <SHan_> i am doubting a boot sector virus
[08:00] <SHan_> :/
[08:00] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i wouldn't think so
[08:00] <Phirax_On_Laptop> since it actually begins to boot
[08:00] <SHan_> hmm
[08:00] <SHan_> but a virus nonetheless?
[08:00] <SHan_> or is it simply a corrupt MBR?
[08:01] <Phirax_On_Laptop> usually windows craps itself like that when there is a driver issue or hardware change
[08:01] <SHan_> hmm
[08:01] <Phirax_On_Laptop> have you tried pressing f8 and running last know good configuration?
[08:01] <SHan_> i tried safe mode
[08:01] <SHan_> same results
[08:01] <SHan_> but i didnt try last known
[08:01] <SHan_> should I
[08:01] <SHan_> ?
[08:02] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i would try last know good config
[08:02] <SHan_> kk
[08:02] <SHan_> brb then
[08:02] <Phirax_On_Laptop> cos safemode might be loading a bad drivers
[08:05] <TheCoffeMaker> HI!
[08:06] <Shan_> :/
[08:06] <Shan_> nope
[08:06] <Shan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, same result
[08:06] <Shan_> its weird
[08:06] <Shan_> i'm dead sure its a virus
[08:06] <Shan_> cause i didnt change a thing!
[08:07] <Phirax_On_Laptop> it could be
[08:07] <Shan_> i tried scanning with clam
[08:07] <Shan_> got bored and quit midway lol
[08:07] <Phirax_On_Laptop> can you see what the bsod error is?
[08:07] <TheCoffeMaker> somebody could install oracle 10g on AMD64?
[08:07] <Shan_> nah.. it flashes for less than a milisecond at times and mostly i see nothing
[08:07] <Shan_> just a dark screen
[08:08] <Phirax_On_Laptop> and no recovery cd?
[08:09] <Shan_> :(
[08:09] <TheCoffeMaker> sorry ... Shan_ what's the problem?
[08:09] <Shan_> i cant boot ito windows.. but i can get into linux just fine
[08:09] <Shan_> windows gives a stop error half way thru and reboots
[08:10] <Shan_> even in safe mode or lat known config etc etc etc
[08:10] <Shan_> just simply reboots half way thru
[08:10] <Shan_> and yeah Phirax_On_Laptop no cd
[08:10] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hmm did you say you had a win2k cd?
[08:11] <Shan_> yeah
[08:11] <Shan_> i have a bootable win2k
[08:11] <TheCoffeMaker> mmm typical ... congratulations :D welcome to the free software world
[08:11] <Shan_> somewhere lol
[08:11] <Shan_> lol TheCoffeMaker
[08:11] <ballchalk> does anyone know how to run an app in wine that requires a cd? it keeps asking me for cd when the cd is already in
[08:12] <Phirax_On_Laptop> have you tried using recovery console?
[08:12] <Phirax_On_Laptop> using you win2k cd
[08:12] <Shan_> no
[08:12] <Shan_> but why would it work ofr an XP install?
[08:12] <TheCoffeMaker> mmm i thik that this will not work
[08:13] <Phirax_On_Laptop> well usually all it does is let you boot, gives you a few dos utils, and lets you login to your windows drive
[08:13] <Shan_> hmm
[08:13] <Shan_> worth a shot
[08:13] <Shan_> brb
[08:13] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i wouldn't think it would be much different, i'm pretty sure it will work
[08:14] <TheCoffeMaker> but ... Are you needing copy the files from ntfs disk itsn't?
[08:15] <Phirax_On_Laptop> you may need to edit your registry file, though that is a bitch in the win cmd prompt
[08:15] <ballchalk> would i see winehq in adept?
[08:16] <spring> hi, hi VMware ESX Server 1.5.2 Patch 5 is incompatible for VMWare server 1.0, right???
[08:18] <TheCoffeMaker> have you tried to download avg free for linux and scan the windows partition?
[08:19] <Phirax_On_Laptop> "have you tried to download avg free for linux and scan the windows partition?" yeah good idea
[08:20] <TheCoffeMaker> ;)
[08:21] <TheCoffeMaker> where r u from Phirax ?
[08:21] <Phirax_On_Laptop> Melbourn australia
[08:21] <Shan_> i think i know what the problem is
[08:21] <Shan_> will it do that if there is no space on C?
[08:22] <Phirax_On_Laptop> *err melbourne, lol can't even type my own cities name :O
[08:22] <Phirax_On_Laptop> Shan_: quite possibly
[08:22] <Shan_> hm
[08:22] <Jucato> anyone here knows of a program that can play FLV (Flash Video) or something to convert FLV to some other format?
[08:22] <Shan_> it told me that a few days back
[08:22] <Shan_> and i uninstalled some unwanted stuff thats all
[08:22] <Jucato> of course, a program in Linux/Kubuntu
[08:22] <TheCoffeMaker> mmm i dont think ... but ... delete some file and try
[08:23] <Phirax_On_Laptop> Shan_: use the cmd prompt on the recovery cd to chek how much space you have, usually you need 500mb free
[08:23] <Shan_> i think i had about 700
[08:23] <TheCoffeMaker> Jucato wich architecture?
[08:23] <Jucato> 386
[08:24] <Shan_> how do i find the size of a dir?
[08:24] <TheCoffeMaker> download flash from universe repositories
[08:24] <Jucato> it seems like I can play the FLV in Kaffeine, but without sound
[08:25] <TheCoffeMaker> mmm so ... i dont know ... i hate flash at all cost
[08:25] <Jucato> TheCoffeMaker: heheh! that's why I'm looking for a converter. So I won't have to look at it in YouTube more than once :-D
[08:26] <Jucato> That's why I like Google Video better, coz I can download the video in AVI format...
[08:26] <TheCoffeMaker> hahah ... use Google Videos
[08:26] <red__> anyone know if the tv out (svideo) works on here with the actual ati drivers installed (which I already have installed)
[08:26] <Jucato> unfortunately, there were some videos that don't have a Google Video copy... darn...
[08:27] <TheCoffeMaker> :S so ... i cant help ... Im trying to get the flash player for amd64 but macromedia don't compile it for thisarchitecture  :S
[08:28] <Jucato> yeah... looks like we all either have to wait for Flash Player 9 for Linux, or for Gnash to catch up...
[08:28] <TheCoffeMaker> Shan_ what about u? .. can initialize win?
[08:30] <TheCoffeMaker> Phirax what time is over there?
[08:30] <Shan_> win?
[08:30] <Phirax_On_Laptop> um its err 4:30pm
[08:30] <TheCoffeMaker> windows
[08:30] <epyfro> for me 8:30
[08:30] <Shan_> beer time!!
[08:30] <Shan_> no?
[08:30] <Shan_> lol
[08:31] <Phirax_On_Laptop> almost'
[08:31] <Phirax_On_Laptop> :P
[08:31] <Shan_> its 12 pm for me
[08:31] <Phirax_On_Laptop> 1 hr
[08:31] <epyfro> in France
[08:31] <TheCoffeMaker> 3:30 A.M. - 19
[08:31] <Shan_> whats with AMD and fan speeds?
[08:31] <TheCoffeMaker> in Argentina
[08:31] <Shan_> 12 p 19th in India
[08:31] <Shan_> 12 pm even
[08:32] <epyfro> :)
[08:32] <Shan_> i think rentacoder is a sca
[08:32] <Phirax_On_Laptop> Shan_: if your talking Athlon64, then usually the fan is dynamic, depends on your mobo though, and if you have cool n quite enabled it changes speed quite alot
[08:32] <Shan_> m
[08:32] <Shan_> lol
[08:32] <TheCoffeMaker> India ... I work with an indian in citibank ;D
[08:32] <Phirax_On_Laptop> lol
[08:32] <Shan_> thats neat TheCoffeMaker  :-)
[08:33] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i go to uni with a few indians,
[08:33] <Shan_> everyone been to a Uni with a few indians
[08:33] <Shan_> lol
[08:33] <Phirax_On_Laptop> can't wait to watch the indian commonwealth games intro deal, some of your chicks are mighty hot :p
[08:33] <Shan_> we are a part of every educatiuoa system in every country
[08:33] <Shan_> amen to that
[08:33] <insanekane> Phirax_On_Laptop: heh
[08:33] <JohnFlux> Shan_: you're indian?
[08:34] <Shan_> yeah JohnFlux
[08:34] <red__> is there any form of a Notebook Hardcare Control for Kubuntu
[08:34] <insanekane> Shan_: where from ?
[08:34] <JohnFlux> Shan_: quick question - do you consider yourself asian?
[08:34] <TheCoffeMaker> here in argentina is very strage to see an indian
[08:34] <Shan_> insanekane, Pune the IT center hehe
[08:34] <insanekane> Shan_: ah
[08:34] <Shan_> JohnFlux, yeah
[08:34] <insanekane> JohnFlux: i dont think the Americans would call us Asian
[08:34] <JohnFlux> insanekane: same in europe
[08:34] <Shan_> yeah
[08:35] <Phirax_On_Laptop> well argentina is a log way from india i guess
[08:35] <JohnFlux> insanekane: we don't tend to think of indians as asians
[08:35] <Shan_> yeah
[08:35] <Shan_> India rocks tho
[08:35] <JohnFlux> asian == chinese/japanese
[08:35] <Shan_> lol
[08:35] <insanekane> JohnFlux: it is probably because we are from the "Indian Subcontinent"
[08:35] <Shan_> well.. in that context.. i'm just Indian then
[08:35] <unix_infidel> well, call it it SE Asia then.
[08:35] <Jucato> geographically, India is in Asia
[08:35] <insanekane> JohnFlux: Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Sinhalese ... all considered "Indian"
[08:35] <JohnFlux> Jucato: of course
[08:35] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i used to fly in to new dheli (spelling?) quite a bit
[08:35] <unix_infidel> Phirax_On_Laptop: for what?
[08:36] <Shan_> Phirax_On_Laptop, work related?
[08:36] <TheCoffeMaker> Americans = USA natives, Canadian, Mexicans, Argentinians etc
[08:36] <Jucato> new delhi
[08:36] <JohnFlux> TheCoffeMaker: +australlian..
[08:36] <Jucato> @_@
[08:36] <Shan_> lol
[08:36] <TheCoffeMaker> ?
[08:36] <Phirax_On_Laptop> i used to live in kenya, so to get back home to aus our flights some times stop'd there,
[08:36] <Phirax_On_Laptop> nah i was a kid back then
[08:37] <Shan_> aaah
[08:37] <Shan_> but i still think rentacoder is a scam
[08:37] <TheCoffeMaker> JohnFlux: what are u trying to say?
[08:37] <Phirax_On_Laptop> lol
[08:37] <Shan_> lol
[08:37] <unix_infidel> rentacoder?
[08:37] <unix_infidel> wtf?
[08:38] <Shan_> heh
[08:38] <Shan_> its a freelance site
[08:38] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap
[08:38] <TheCoffeMaker> rent a coder
[08:38] <JohnFlux> TheCoffeMaker: hmm, nothing - even us british get called american while on holiday ;)
[08:38] <unix_infidel> why would i do that when i can have one on retainer for close to nil.
[08:38] <TheCoffeMaker> hahaha
[08:38] <Phirax_On_Laptop> exactly what it is, rent a coder
[08:38] <unix_infidel> i mean that's nonsense.
[08:38] <Shan_> heh
[08:38] <Phirax_On_Laptop> a mate of mine has a company called hireanerd
[08:38] <unix_infidel> i call my uncle up, he's like yea, i've got this nice indian boy to code your mysql stuff.
[08:38] <Shan_> rofl
[08:39] <unix_infidel> he doesnt smoke or anything.
[08:39] <Phirax_On_Laptop> sorta close i guess
[08:39] <Shan_> lol unix_infidel
[08:39] <Shan_> i can be your ice Idia boy for embedded related needs
[08:39] <Phirax_On_Laptop> lol
[08:39] <unix_infidel> I still cant believe some people pay Rs. 4000 for a website anymore.
[08:39] <Shan_> i dont thin my n key is working well
[08:40] <Shan_> lol
[08:40] <Shan_> is there a switch to see the progress of thee file being moved?
[08:41] <TheCoffeMaker> can say me what's the meaning of lol?
[08:41] <Shan_> Laugh Out Loud
[08:41] <TheCoffeMaker> thanks!
[08:41] <Shan_> npp
[08:41] <Shan_> ad thats my Linux help for te day
[08:43] <Shan_> i am buying trhe new G5 mouse
[08:43] <Shan_> :-)
[08:43] <unix_infidel> g5 mouse?
[08:44] <unix_infidel> you mean mighty mouse?
[08:44] <Shan_> lol
[08:44] <Shan_> yes
[08:44] <Shan_> i used to like the Atom Ant cartoon
[08:44] <Shan_> hehe
[08:45] <TheCoffeMaker> mmm I cant follow you :S
[08:45] <TheCoffeMaker> haha
[08:45] <TheCoffeMaker> ok Shan_ focus on your problem again ... can u delete the files?
[08:46] <TheCoffeMaker> have you download avg free for linux?
[08:46] <Shan_> TheCoffeMaker, i think i had :/
[08:46] <Shan_> and i'm moving the files
[08:46] <Shan_> not deleting them
[08:46] <ballchalk> does anybody know where i can find sun-java5-jre ???
[08:47] <ballchalk> adept messed it up
[08:47] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap
[08:47] <TheCoffeMaker> ohhh ... use the original fom sun
[08:48] <TheCoffeMaker> and edit the /etc/profile file ... u will never have a problem ;)
[08:49] <ballchalk> ?
[08:49] <TheCoffeMaker> ??
[08:50] <TheCoffeMaker> i dont use apt to get java working
[08:50] <ballchalk> apt-get to install it i mean
[08:50] <ballchalk> i might have set a repository and saw sun-java5-jre and bin in adept
[08:51] <ballchalk> but it's no longer there
[08:51] <Jucato> err.. I think it should be "don't use Adept to get java working"
[08:51] <ballchalk> ya i kno i messed up my system
[08:51] <ballchalk> but i'm just saying which ubuntu repository was it in?
[08:51] <Jucato> ballchalk: dapper multiverse
[08:52] <ballchalk> jucato what do i put in sources.list?
[08:52] <TheCoffeMaker> yeap
[08:52] <Shan_> mhm
[08:52] <Shan_> should I buy the mouse on ebay?
[08:52] <ballchalk> i'll add that to my sources.list
[08:52] <Jucato> ballchalk: add "multiverse" to the line with "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe"
[08:52] <ballchalk> ok
[08:52] <ballchalk> brb
[08:53] <TheCoffeMaker> somebody can use all keys of M$ Natural 4k keyboard in Linux?
[08:54] <Shan_> ok
[08:54] <Shan_> i'm off to buy my mouse and hdd
[08:54] <Shan_> :-)
[08:54] <TheCoffeMaker> sorry ... someone   :P
[08:54] <Shan_> bbl fellas
[08:54] <Shan_> tc
[08:55] <TheCoffeMaker> ok ... im trying to understand the meanings of all chating codes ... but ... bbl fellas ... it realy kill me
[08:56] <insanekane> TheCoffeMaker: try getting Lineak ... i think that can help you with your keyboard
[08:56] <Jucato> bbl = be back later
[08:57] <TheCoffeMaker> :P
[08:57] <ballchalk> Jucato: wow can i just add multiverse to all the lines?
[08:57] <Jucato> ballchalk:  no
[08:57] <ballchalk> i see some restricted
[08:57] <Jucato> ballchalk: look for the one with "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe"
[08:57] <Jucato> then add (do not replace) "multiverse" to the end of that line
[08:57] <ballchalk> yea i did
[08:58] <Jucato> then you're set to go
[08:58] <Jucato> "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin" or sun-java5-jre
[08:59] <ballchalk> the jre depends on the bin
[08:59] <ballchalk> will apt-get automate that?
[08:59] <Jucato> yep
[08:59] <ballchalk> hmmm
[08:59] <ballchalk> ok
[08:59] <ballchalk> brb
[09:00] <TheCoffeMaker> well ... ladys and gentlemen ... Im off ... Im so sleepy ... here is 4:00 A.M. ... pleased to meet all of u ... good bye
[09:00] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hey would be ok to delete the config lines for tablet PC namely /dev/wacom from /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:01] <Phirax_On_Laptop> TheCoffeMaker: night mate
[09:04] <ballchalk> jre bin installed
[09:04] <ballchalk> thanks
[09:04] <Jucato> good
[09:04] <Jucato> have fun ^_^
[09:05] <mighty-d> how can i make ssh to run from start?
[09:07] <Philip5> mighty-d: check the on boot in system settings / system services
[09:07] <luc_> nick crouic6
[09:09] <mighty-d> thanks philips
[09:09] <Philip5> np
[09:11] <ballchalk> k
[09:12] <ballchalk> good night
[09:13] <michael> hey all, quick question...  can ubuntu be installed from the command line?
[09:13] <Phirax_On_Laptop> michael, as in not text based?
[09:14] <michael> as in a terminal maybe?
[09:15] <michael> trying on an older machine and its not showing me the whole graphic interface...
[09:15] <michael> and no sliders
[09:15] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hmm i'm sure there would be a way, you can definately do it using source, binary i guess there would be a way
[09:15] <Phirax_On_Laptop> michael: have you tried the alternate (text based) installer?
[09:16] <michael> no, how would i use that?
[09:16] <Phirax_On_Laptop> what install disk do you have?
[09:16] <michael> im new to this, but liking it, works great on my 'newer' machine
[09:16] <michael> dapper
[09:17] <Phirax_On_Laptop> do you have the dvd iso, or a single cd installer?
[09:18] <michael> cd... but i just googled the text base, i see what u mean...
[09:18] <Phirax_On_Laptop> yeah you'll need the alternate installer disck
[09:18] <Phirax_On_Laptop> *disk
[09:18] <michael> thank you, that looks to answer that
[09:18] <Phirax_On_Laptop> no worries
[09:19] <SpAwN> !iso
[09:19] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[09:28] <hsn_> how can i install opera browser?
[09:28] <farous> !opera
[09:28] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:41] <Phirax_On_Laptop> hsn_: you can get the deb file from www.opera.com, however if you are running AMD64 your out of luck
[09:49] <redondo81> Hi friends, is there anyone who can help me to fix a modify throught iwconfig?
[09:50] <redondo81> ???
[09:51] <Cr4sh5> hey can someone help me partition my harddrive without getting rid fo the windows copy?
[09:52] <Cr4sh5> please?
[09:53] <baris_> hellooo
[09:57] <Cr4sh5> hey can someone help me partition my harddrive without getting rid fo the windows copy?
[09:57] <^MiNi_D^> Cr4sh5: i told you last night to use FDisk
[09:57] <^MiNi_D^> :p
[09:57] <Cr4sh5> >.< I looked it confused me
[09:58] <Cr4sh5> wanna give me a hand please?
[09:58] <^MiNi_D^> man fdisk
[09:58] <Cr4sh5> ?
[09:59] <^MiNi_D^> or cfdisk
[09:59] <^MiNi_D^> type them in consol
[09:59] <^MiNi_D^> e
[10:00] <Cr4sh5> doesnt reconize
[10:02] <cvasilak> yesterday adept informed that are some updates available, some of the updates were libfreetype, libfontconfig from the beerorkid repository(the one used for the xgl stuff). Now the fonts in my system are looking awesome, really really awesome!!!!. please check yourself to see it, i haven't have this kind of beautiful looking fonts in linux for years!!!
[10:03] <^MiNi_D^> Cr4sh5: are you on windows now?
[10:04] <^MiNi_D^> if you are
[10:04] <^MiNi_D^> go and download partition magic
[10:04] <^MiNi_D^> and have a play
[10:04] <Cr4sh5> ok
[10:04] <Cr4sh5> im getting the trial version
[10:05] <^MiNi_D^> w/e
[10:05] <^MiNi_D^> if u need
[10:05] <^MiNi_D^> go and make it official
[10:05] <fdoving> Cr4sh5: i suggest using the kubuntu live cd,and use qtparted.
[10:05] <^MiNi_D^> or what fdoving said
[10:06] <^MiNi_D^> cool people use Fdisk :p
[10:06] <Cr4sh5> Fdisk isnt reconized as a command
[10:06] <fdoving> Cr4sh5: lowercase f.
[10:06] <^MiNi_D^> yes because your not on linux
[10:06] <^MiNi_D^> :p
[10:07] <^MiNi_D^> and fdisk was removed after win98
[10:13] <altin>  3 check this http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[10:19] <eitch0000> !xgl
[10:19] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:23] <_simon> cool this works then?
[10:23] <_simon> you can see this text?
[10:25] <Healot> we can see it
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hi MilhousePunkRock
[10:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello Hobbsee!
[10:29] <CVirus> how can I save my current session of open tabs in konqueror ?
[10:30] <Jucato> CVirus: Settings > Save View Profile ... > Save URLs in Profile ??
[10:30] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello abattoir!
[10:30] <CVirus> Jucato: Thanks
[10:31] <Jucato> CVirus: kool
[10:34] <andrisp> hello.. when I open KTorrent, it says several times something like 'Cannot open torrent, broken torrent file' and some of my downloads are lost. Why is that ?
[10:34] <andrisp> I noticed that I lost those torrents which are single avi files.
[10:34] <andrisp> Not those who are a file collection in directory.
[10:35] <eitch0000> !xgl
[10:35] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:42] <D4m4ge> hellow
[10:43] <steevk> hey
[10:43] <abattoir> MilhousePunkRock: hi :)
[10:48] <tobias> #kubuntu.de
[10:49] <tobias> German or english?
[10:50] <Healot> !de
[10:50] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:50] <tobias> thx
[10:52] <Healot> say it in German
[10:52] <Healot>  :)
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> thx in German, Healot? Danke!
[10:52] <Healot> yeah
[10:52] <Healot> just the feel of it
[10:53] <tobias> Oh.. Danke *g*
[10:54] <tobias> Any idea how i can use the epson stylus color DX3850 Scanner ?!
[10:54] <Healot> the german line u like to say is "bed mit dir"...
[10:55] <MilhousePunkRock> Healot "bed" is not a German word...
[10:55] <tobias> :=)
[10:55] <Healot> yeah
[10:55] <Healot> bed mitt dir, try to say it to girls
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Healot Are you trying to argue with a native speaker about his language?
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> :-)
[10:58] <Healot> no...
[10:58] <Healot> i know bed isn't german, but the line is meant to be :)
[10:58] <MilhousePunkRock> "Bett mit Dir" maybe
[10:59] <Healot> yup
[10:59] <Healot> the German of bett I forgot
[11:01] <MilhousePunkRock> Healot Still, that doesn't make sense... Maybe "Ich will mit Dir ins Bett" (= I want to go to bed with you)
[11:01] <Healot> it wasn't suppose to, that's the point hoho
[11:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Is anyone familiar with customizing Grub (beyond the average boot menu)?
[11:08] <xombox> hello!
[11:09] <xombox> does anybody use ORINOCO USB client silver?
[11:16] <Hagbarddenstore> Hey! Do someone know howto get icons in Thunar? Using Kubuntu...
[11:20] <misieq> how can i set system time using ntp?
[11:21] <Hagbarddenstore> Hm... There's no one here to answer questions... A channel full of n00bs... Aint good if you want an answer... :/
[11:22] <misieq> !ntp
[11:22] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-8.1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 250 kB, installed size 464 kB
[11:22] <misieq> ubotu can always provide a little help :)
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can always provide a little help :) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <Healot> Hagbarddenstore, read Kubuntu support, 3rd party app may no be supported?
[11:23] <Hagbarddenstore> Healot:  Huh? I got working before... Just that I had to install like thousands (Lying) of packages to get the right one... It's a theme package...
[11:23] <Hagbarddenstore> Healot:  And why shouldn't third party be supported?
[11:24] <Hagbarddenstore> Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu the big family where we support it all...
[11:24] <jott> misieq: you could just go to system settings -> time & date -> admin -> set date .. automatically...
[11:24] <dvd> hellow... anyone knows how i can play mp3 in kubuntu?
[11:24] <Healot> may not sir.... read may not be...
[11:24] <dvd> i cant seem to play mp3 files in kubuntu
[11:24] <Hagbarddenstore> dvd:  Have you enabled Universe and Multiverse?
[11:24] <jott> (if you do not need a real ntpd running)
[11:24] <Hagbarddenstore> What program do you use?
[11:25] <dvd> ermm whats universe and multiverse? i'm using amarok
[11:25] <Healot> !repos
[11:25] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:25] <Hagbarddenstore> dvd:  Oh... Hm... Are you familiar with apt?
[11:25] <Hagbarddenstore> Healot:  Good one...
[11:25] <aliasfred> !sources
[11:26] <aliasfred> !source
[11:26] <Hagbarddenstore> !easysource
[11:26] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:26] <dvd> sorry, i'm not familiar with apt
[11:26] <Hagbarddenstore> dvd:  Check ^ tht out...
[11:26] <aliasfred> hmmm no more error for unknown command ?
[11:26] <aliasfred> !bablabla
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bablabla - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <Hagbarddenstore> dvd:  Hm... You'll learn by time... :D
[11:26] <aliasfred> ok im missing something :)
[11:26] <dvd> ok
[11:26] <Jucato> ^_^
[11:27] <Jucato> !me
[11:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <Hagbarddenstore> dvd:  Go private and I tell you more...
[11:27] <aliasfred> !source
[11:27] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:27] <aliasfred> moauaoua the last time i typed this , i got no answer :)
[11:27] <arepie> !automatix
[11:27] <ubotu> Automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[11:27] <Hagbarddenstore> aliasfred:  Maybe he doesn't respond to similiar messages in a small time window?
[11:27] <Jucato> moauaowhat?!?!
[11:28] <aliasfred> Hagbarddenstore: unlikely kludge :)
[11:28] <Hagbarddenstore> =9
[11:28] <Hagbarddenstore>  =)
[11:28] <aliasfred> Jucato: similar to lol
[11:28] <Jucato> oooh....
[11:31] <Hagbarddenstore> Why is KDE so much better than Gnome or Xfce or any other windowmanager?
[11:32] <aliasfred> better is relative perspective, gnome people think otherwise
[11:32] <aliasfred> xcfe too i guess
[11:33] <Hagbarddenstore> Why should I choose KDE then? (I need answers so I can tell others about KDE and have these answers...)
[11:33] <Jucato> I agree with aliasfred. I like KDE, and I personally prefer it. But there's no totally objective measure of whether it's better or not
[11:34] <Jucato> Why should you choose KDE? Because it gives you want you want and what you need. The answer is ultimately up to the person using it
[11:34] <jott> Hagbarddenstore: things like kio are really great...
[11:34] <Hagbarddenstore> Hm... ok
[11:34] <Hagbarddenstore> jott:  Don't make it to hard for me... I can't stand there and explain why kio is so much better than gnome opposite...
[11:34] <Jucato> I could recommend KDE, but I wouldn't go so far as trying to "convince" others with some marketing talk :-D
[11:34] <aliasfred> jott: as an example, gnome has kio too, they call that gnome-vfs
[11:35] <Jucato> but gnome-vfs isn't as, um... accessible as KIO?
[11:35] <Hagbarddenstore> Jucato:  Well... Hm... Give the answer of: Why choose Linux instead of Windows?
[11:35] <aliasfred> Jucato: then it is a matter of apps using the kio/gnome-vfs :)
[11:35] <Jucato> Hagbarddenstore: the same answer that I give for "why choose KDE over GNOME"
[11:36] <Jucato> aliasfred: what's GNOME's counterpart for KIO slaves?
[11:36] <aliasfred> Jucato: gnome-vfs
[11:36] <aliasfred> as a coder, do i believe that kde is better architectured than gnome, yes :)
[11:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Hagbarddenstore Hagbard as in "Hagbard Celine"?
[11:36] <Jucato> aliasfred: so they have stuff like media:/, system:/, tar:/, settings:/, fish:/, etc?
[11:37] <aliasfred> Jucato: yep all the same, well very similar i mean
[11:37] <Jucato> aliasfred: could you please point me to a list of those gnome-vfs things? I've been trying hard to find them. KDE has a list in KHelpCenter, but I can't seem to find one for GNOME
[11:37] <Jucato> all I know of are computer:// and burn://
[11:38] <aliasfred> i dont think they have much funky stuff like system://,
[11:38] <aliasfred> Jucato: me too :)
[11:38] <arepie> hello, im trying to make a c++ program, what should i use to compile + editor in GUI. I've installed kdevelop, but i don't know hoe to compile the source code
[11:38] <aliasfred> Jucato: i dont have any offhand
[11:38] <Hagbarddenstore> MilhousePunkRock:  Huh? Hagbarddenstore as in Hagbard the Great as in a comic strip...
[11:38] <aliasfred> Jucato: you will likely be able to find one as good as me :)
[11:38] <Jucato> aliasfred: that's why I said that KIO was  more accessible than gnome-vfs
[11:39] <aliasfred> Jucato: oh you mean kde is better documented. i think so too
[11:39] <Jucato> not only better documented, but they also have more "visible" applications
[11:39] <aliasfred> well all that is not very much on topic, and we try not to engage too much about 'we are good' 'they are bad' kinda stuff :)
[11:40] <MilhousePunkRock> Hagbarddenstore Ok... Never heard of it though...
[11:40] <jott> aliasfred: its more like "why is this and that better" ;-)
[11:40] <jott> aliasfred: or.. why do i like it more ;)
[11:40] <Jucato> ehehe! sorry. I was just wondering about how to use gnome-vfs and bonobo (GNOME's counterpart to KParts, iirc)
[11:40] <Jucato> thought you might know :-D
[11:41] <jott> aliasfred: so as for why do i like c++ oo more then gobject ;)
[11:41] <Hagbarddenstore> Well... You could say (Without starting flamewar) That KDE is the easier one.. Gnome is more flashy but harder to get help in.. (from docus) and Xfce is the really hard one... They all have advantages...
[11:41] <aliasfred> i thought quite a lot about why people prefere kde over gnome, but it is offtopic :) maybe we should talk more over #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:41] <aliasfred> i never go there :)
[11:42] <Jucato> lol
[11:42] <Jucato> that's why we have so few people over there
[11:42] <aliasfred> ok i put it in my bookmark then :)
[11:42] <Jucato> but practically speaking, it's quite hard to absolutely stay on course/topic. there will always be digressions...
[11:43] <Jucato> and it's also hard to determine where on-topic ends and off-topic starts
[11:43] <aliasfred> i agree the point is more lets not do it too much :)
[11:43] <jott> and anyway we at least have to pretend we like kde as we are in #Kubuntu ;)
[11:43] <michael__> lol
[11:43] <Jucato> lol
[11:43] <michael__> i thought kde was the flashier one...hmm
[11:44] <Jucato> ok, something more on topic: I've been having an extremely difficult time building the Applications index in KHelpCenter
[11:44] <aliasfred> beginner asking for help feel less confortable asking questions when they disrupt a long passionated offtopic chat :)
[11:44] <Jucato> I always have errors about htdig. And even when I install htdig, the Applications index still won't build properly
[11:46] <Hagbarddenstore> Adept or Synaptics?  What do you prefer and why?
[11:46] <Jucato> Hagbarddenstore: I think aliasfred has been pretty clear that this isn't the place for topics like this
[11:46] <Hagbarddenstore> Jucato:  Hm.. In #Kubuntu-off then?
[11:46] <Jucato> Hagbarddenstore: I think so
[11:47] <Jucato> but honestly, I find the title "-offtopic" is a bit misleading, aliasfred.
[11:48] <Jucato> the way I interpreted it the first time I saw it was that it's a place for Kubuntu users to talk about non-Kubuntu or non-Linux stuff
[11:48] <Jucato> when actually it's also a place to talk about non-support but probably Kubuntu-related topics
[11:48] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato Look at the channel info, this is Kubuntu-support... So discussing which WM is better is indeed OT
[11:49] <aliasfred> Jucato: you want to strart #kubuntu-nonsupport channel ?
[11:49] <Jucato> aliasfred: nope :-D
[11:49] <aliasfred> hehe :)
[11:49] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: yes, I know. But notice I said, "title" not "topic"
[11:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato But aren't the "simple" channels always support channels?
[11:51] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: yes, but there's no indication that #kubuntu-offtopic is the place for non-support, Kubuntu-related or otherwise, topics
[11:51] <Jucato> also notice I didn't say that there was nothing wrong with the #kubuntu title/name...
[11:51] <jott> MilhousePunkRock: well they tend to provide support but not necessarily exclusive ;)
[11:52] <Jucato> anyway, I digress again. My apologies...
[11:52] <misieq> there was a perl script called bashful i think, that retrieved quotes from bash.org and presented them with colors, nice formatted etc... you guys know where to get it?
[11:52] <jott> but at least this channel has the topic "Kubuntu Support Channel" ;-)
[11:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato I believe you can even discuss non-Linux topics over in #kubuntu-offtopic, just with the kubuntu people...
[11:53] <misieq> at second thought that script could also be python
[11:54] <Jucato> MilhousePunkRock: yes. #kubuntu-offtopic, as I am led to believe, is a place for non-support, Kubuntu-related, non-Kubuntu-related, Linux-related, non-Linux related, topics. But the name #kubuntu-offtopic and the absence of a clear topic/description would lead one to presume that it is not the place to have non-support but Kubuntu-related topics
[11:55] <Jucato> jott: yeah. But what is the ratio of people reading the complete topic? the fact that newcomers don't seem to be aware about pastebin says a lot...
[11:55] <Jucato> oh well...
[11:56] <Jucato> Er... anyone here who could help me with the KHelpCenter Applications index problem I have?
[11:56] <jott> Jucato: whats the exact problem / error message?
[11:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Jucato That fits with the misleading name of this channel, doesn't it? ;-)
[11:56] <misieq> !bashful
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bashful - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <Jucato> well, kubuntu-offtopic is more misleading :-D
[11:57] <michael__> well for kubuntu support this is def on 'off topic'... hehe
[11:58] <Jucato> jott: ok, that's weird... I used to get a htdig error... but now there's no error. But I still can't "Search" the Applications Index
[11:58] <Jucato> it only searches the UNIX manual pages
[12:00] <Jucato> This is the output of KHelpCenter: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21065
[12:01] <jott> ah i see i get the same too
[12:01] <jott> looks like the perl script is broken ;)
[12:01] <Jucato> so basically KHelpCenter is useless for me, unless I know what I'm looking for and where it is...
[12:01] <octan> hi all
[12:02] <Heruka> hi-nightmare with pairing bluetooth-many days-no success-any suggestions
[12:02] <jott> Jucato: edit line 94 and remove one of the kde's ;)
[12:03] <octan> im having problems after a  update.. i use synaptic, but after the update with adept synaptic stoped working, when i try to run it i get this error message:
[12:03] <octan> synaptic: error while loading shared libraries: libvte.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:03] <Jucato> misieq: I think I found what you were looking for through Google. unfortunately, the site says that it's not working anymore
[12:03] <jott> Jucato: /usr/bin/khc_docbookdig.pl
[12:03] <Jucato> misieq: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shynahum/bashful/
[12:03] <jott> Jucato: in line 94 there is $kdekdehtmldir that should probably be $kdehtmldir
[12:03] <michael__> jucato, try the google cache?
[12:03] <Jucato> michael__: huh?
[12:04] <Jucato> jott: ok, I will try
[12:05] <Hagbarddenstore> synaptics:  Hey again
[12:06] <michael__> advanced search, cache supposed to load pages from its cache like 6 months ago
[12:07] <Jucato> michael__: err... I don't need Google's cache... I was telling misieq that the python script she was looking for was no longer working
[12:07] <arepie> how to code c++ in kubuntu?
[12:07] <michael__> oh sorry
[12:07] <michael__> missunderstood
[12:07] <Jucato> no problem
[12:11] <eguzki_> hola
[12:16] <_rince_> mrgn
[12:24] <Jucato> jott: didn't work... I still can't search the Applications Manual. Although it says that the manual/index was built successfully. must be a bug?
[12:26] <jott> Jucato: yes definitely
[12:26] <jott> Jucato: ah http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2006/07/msg00273.html look here..
[12:27] <jott> Jucato: my "fix" did not help them either as it seems ;)
[12:28] <jott> but they claim its fixed in the latest debian package...
[12:28] <Jucato> I'll go check in VMWare is SUSE (KDE 3.5.4) is experiencing the same thing
[12:28] <Jucato> KHelpCenter and the KDE and Kubuntu docs are nice... but practically useless if all you can do is search the UNIX manuals
[12:29] <jott> hehe workaround: google ;)
[12:29] <Jucato> although, the help:/ kio slave works fine but it's very limited...
[12:29] <Jucato> lol
[12:30] <Jucato> oh, which reminds me to make a Google home page :-D
[12:31] <jott> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126804 hmmmm
[12:31] <jott> seems to exist since atleast 3.5.2 ;)
[12:31] <Jucato> it's been there since KDE 3.5.1, I think...
[12:31] <Hobbsee> oh, that bug...
[12:32] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you have a perfectly working KHelpCenter?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i dont quite know...
[12:32] <Hobbsee> it's been a long while since i tried it out
[12:32] <Jucato> where you can search within the Applications manual and the UNIX manuals?
[12:32] <Jucato> oh well...
[12:33] <jott> but it looks like its debian specific...
[12:33] <jott> (at least only debian references)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Global symbol "$kdekdehtmldir" requires explicit package name at /usr/bin/khc_docbookdig.pl line 94.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Execution of /usr/bin/khc_docbookdig.pl aborted due to compilation errors.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> interesting
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: its' screwed
[12:34] <Jucato> yeah.. figures.. :-(
[12:34] <Hobbsee> there's a bug in LP for that, i know
[12:34] <Hobbsee> i dont know the fix though
[12:35] <Jucato> I'm just puzzled that the bug is still alive after all this time...
[12:35] <Jucato> just like the K Menu bug....
[12:36] <djclue917> does anybody know how to call the Run dialog manually?
[12:37] <djclue917> via a command for example..
[12:37] <Jucato> ALt+F2
[12:37] <Jucato> oh
[12:37] <Jucato> um...
[12:37] <djclue917> Jucato: I
[12:37] <djclue917> oops
[12:37] <djclue917> Jucato: I'm doing something with KDE.. hehe
[12:38] <Jucato> searching...
[12:39] <Jucato> grr I remember coming across it before...
[12:40] <GeneralZod> djclue917:You might want to look at Katapult, which is like the Run Dialog++ and can be invoked via dcop.
[12:40] <Jucato> but he needs the command
[12:40] <Jucato> djclue917: I think you better start searching KDCOP :-D
[12:40] <fdoving> djclue917: 'dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand'
[12:41] <Jucato> fdoving: kool
[12:41] <Jucato> rawr!
[12:41] <fdoving> djclue917: you can also populate the text field with another argument, like 'dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand kate'
[12:41] <djclue917> fdoving: thanks!
[12:41] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[12:41] <Jucato> I kept on searching for "run" in KDCOP...
[12:42] <Jucato> farewell soon, beloved KDCOP...
[12:42] <fdoving> i use the good old commandline-dcop :)
[12:43] <Jucato> jott: It's a Debian only bug. SUSE works fine
[12:43] <thoth> :)
[12:43] <Jucato> fdoving: eheheh
[12:43] <Jucato> but still, you would need the to know at least the proper keywords, right?
[12:44] <fdoving> you get lists of available functions.
[12:44] <Jucato> btw, KDBus is already available, but still a bit empty
[12:44] <fdoving> 'dcop' gives you the initial list.. 'dcop kdesktop' gives you the kdesktop list.. etc.
[12:44] <fdoving> kdcop is nice though.
[12:44] <Jucato> fdoving: same with KDCOP, except in a nice GUI, tree-like structure
[12:44] <Jucato> and a nice search feature
[12:45] <fdoving> i can see that.. started it now, just to take a look. alot better than when i tested it last time. a few years ago :)
[12:46] <Jucato> fdoving: too bad it will be a bit useless soon. But KDBus seems to built the same way. so no worries :-D
[12:46] <fdoving> and for konq sessions you get the icons from the website.
[12:46] <synaptics> anyone knows how to disable synaptics tapping in kubuntu?
[12:47] <Jucato> kool! Firefox 1.5.0.4 has been added to the list of Browser Identifications. When did this happen?
[12:49] <gianluca> ciao a tutti
[12:50] <fdoving> synaptics: i suggest installing 'ksynaptics' and use alt+f2 'kcontrol' find synaptics in tthere.
[12:50] <gianluca> there is a channel for italian irc?
[12:51] <fdoving> !it
[12:51] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:51] <Jucato> oh there... he beat me to it :-D
[12:51] <gianluca> tks ubotu
[12:52] <Jucato> kool! the new Firefox 1.5.0.4 spoof works flawlessly with Gmail!
[12:52] <gianluca> bat you responde me in english
[12:54] <synaptics> fdoving:  i found synaptics there but i cant configure it
[12:54] <michael__> quick ? is there any disadvantage to using text install?
[12:56] <djclue917> Jucato: are you using Xgl? :D
[12:56] <Jucato> djclue917: nope
[12:56] <Jucato> gotta go. dinner time :-D
[12:59] <West-en-en> hello?
[12:59] <West-en-en> i nedd help with grub
[01:00] <West-en-en> i have 4 partitions
[01:00] <West-en-en> System, Windows, Linux, Linux swap
[01:00] <West-en-en> and i need to rewrite MBR
[01:00] <West-en-en> should I use grub then?
[01:02] <xanax`> hello
[01:11] <fdoving> synaptics: can't configure, how can't? no option? (i don't have a synaptics touchpad myself, so i don't really know anything beyond this).
[01:12] <synaptics> fdoving: yes. there arent any option
[01:14] <synaptics> hmm any other way?
[01:14] <fdoving> synaptics: hmm.. is there a 'administration mode
[01:14] <fdoving>  button? at the bottom.
[01:15] <thoth> Hei maybe anyone know about baselayout update
[01:15] <fdoving> baselayout?
[01:16] <thoth> ya
[01:16] <fdoving> what is that?
[01:16] <jott> sounds like gentoo ;)
[01:16] <thoth>  baselayout   it is some bug after update
[01:16] <thoth> gentoo ;)    it is there also
[01:17] <fdoving> thoth: do you get a error message? can you post it to http://pastebin.ca ?
[01:17] <ubuntu> really need help!
[01:17] <thoth> okey , just sec
 synaptics: hmm.. is there a 'administration mode<--nope
[01:18] <ubuntu> i have packed my linux system in a tar file
[01:18] <ubuntu> then i formated the whole drive, i installed xp and linux
[01:19] <ubuntu> booted the live-cd and extracted the tar file in the linux-partition, edit men.lst, rewrite MBR
[01:19] <ubuntu> but when i try to boot, i get this error /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off
[01:19] <ubuntu> what is it??
[01:20] <ubuntu> please, i need help!
[01:22] <SubNet> Hello Guys
[01:22] <thoth> but when i try to boot, i get this error /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off
[01:22] <SubNet> Problem: external USB-Disk with NTFS is not writable
[01:22] <thoth> hei you must do :
[01:23] <thoth> boot from livecd
[01:23] <thoth> mount root part
[01:23] <thoth> &
[01:23] <thoth> mknod -m 660 console c 5 1
[01:23] <SubNet> umask=000 is in fstab, rw-entry is in fstab
[01:23] <SubNet> mount says it is mounted ro o.O
[01:24] <jott> SubNet: default ntfs has no write support
[01:24] <ubuntu> thoth: are you atlking to me?
[01:24] <SubNet> jott: How can i get write-support in dapper?
[01:24] <jott> SubNet: you need to go for ntfs-3g (or was it ntfs-g3?)
[01:25] <jott> !ntfs-3g
[01:25] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[01:25] <SubNet> is that free of charge?
[01:25] <tk> yes, its free
[01:25] <jott> free
[01:25] <SubNet> cool - thx so far
[01:25] <tk> and it works great, I use it :)
[01:26] <bruno___> hello
[01:26] <jott> tk: do you know if it supports compressed folders?
[01:26] <SubNet> jott: How stable and secure is that driver?
[01:26] <tk> jott: where were you when I asked about it, having a DEB woulda been so much nicer :P
[01:26] <ubuntu> please, thoth, are you talking to me?
[01:26] <ubuntu> should i do the mknod thing?
[01:27] <jott> SubNet: well as its stated "extensively tested" but "use with caution" so.. own risk ;)
[01:27] <jott> but should work fine...
[01:27] <ubuntu> i have done that and i will try to reboot now, thanks!
[01:27] <tk> jott: never used compressed folders...
[01:27] <jott> tk: ok i see ...just curious..
[01:27] <fdoving> synaptics: then i don't have any more ideas. tried ubuntuforums.org ?
[01:27] <michael__> tk, how long have u been using that?
[01:28] <tk> thoth: are you privmsg'ing ubuntu? :P
[01:28] <synaptics> i'll try that out fdoving
[01:28] <tk> michael__: a week or so, I've used it to xfer... a little over gig of data between linux and ntfs
[01:28] <michael__> no corruption?
[01:29] <michael__> i would guess so far....
[01:29] <michael__> formatting new drive as we type to work for both os's, was gonna fat32 to be safe
[01:29] <michael__> but...
[01:30] <tk> michael__: no problems yet
[01:31] <michael__> have u tried the driver for windows that allows ext2 access?
[01:32] <michael__> or heard about..
[01:33] <jott> michael__: yes works quite good..
[01:34] <SubNet> How can I find out if fuse is installed or not??
[01:34] <SubNet> FUSE is a kernel-Module - sth for ntfs-support
[01:35] <thoreauputic> SubNet: it's in the kernel - sudo modprobe fuse
[01:36] <jorik> fuse is a userspace filesystem driver ... i don't think you need it for ntfs-support
[01:36] <thoreauputic> SubNet: if that says nothing, fuse is there ( it should be by default - just add it to /etc/modules to have it load on boot)
[01:36] <thoreauputic> jorik: I think the new ntfs write program uses fuse ( might be wrong)
[01:37] <SubNet> thx thoreauputic
[01:37] <thoreauputic> I use it for sshfs
[01:37] <jorik> and for gmail-fs ;-)
[01:37] <thoreauputic> ntfs-3g or something like that?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> hmm yes google says ntfs-3g uses fuse apparently
[01:40] <jorik> i wonder if it's possible to use fuse to have / on an ftp site
[01:41] <shiv> thoreauputic: the forums have the best how to I was up and running in 2 min
[01:41] <thoreauputic> shiv: ah, good to know :)
[01:41] <shiv> thoreauputic: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[01:41] <thoreauputic> thanks
[01:42] <thoreauputic> jorik: ftp I don't know, but it works with sshfs to mount a remote shell space ( a bit like gnome-vfs but IMO better )
[01:43] <tobias> I've got a windows fileserver in my LAN. I'm mounting its shares via fstab. It all works well. But when I hybernate my laptop and start it again later, the mounts don't work anymore. sudo mount -a did not help. Any ideas?
[01:44] <jorik> yeah i know, but i was thinking, if you'd create an initrd that does the mounting and then chrooted, it should be possible ... no?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> jorik: that's too advanced for my feeble knowledge :)
[01:46] <jorik> n00b ! :p
[01:46] <thoreauputic> yes, sort of a n00b in some ways and not others :)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> jorik: I only know stuff I'm interested in I guess - or need :)
[01:46] <jorik> when i started out linux i had a seperate partition to try all kinds of wierd stuff like that ... i learned a lot
[01:48] <thoreauputic> jorik: right - that's why I played with sshfs ( it seemed cool ) I also wasted a lot of time trying to understand midi, soft synth, jackd and other stuff like that - I still don't quite understand any of it to be honest :)
[01:49] <jorik> cool
[01:49] <thoreauputic> jorik: there's just so much you can learn - it would never end :)
[01:49] <jorik> do you know any decent music-creating software ?
[01:49] <thoreauputic> as in midi? Rosegarden is pretty nice
[01:50] <thoreauputic> I haven't played with audacity and friends much
[01:50] <jorik> no as in, i wanna record my saxophone and then throw some effects on it
[01:50] <thoreauputic> ah - probably start with Audacity then
[01:51] <thoreauputic> ardour is the hard-core music app apparently ( I took one look and ran )
[01:51] <thoreauputic> ;p
[01:51] <jorik> hehehe
[01:52] <Jucato> excuse me, is rosegarden something like Finale?
[01:52] <jott> hehe the ardour screenshot looks funny ;)
[01:52] <jorik> well imma get back to work, i'll try ardour later
[01:52] <thoreauputic> no idea since I don't know finale
[01:52] <Jucato> um... ok ^_^
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Jucato: rosegarden allows you to write music and make midis or rosegarden's special format - it has notation both traditional and in the "midi" style
[01:53] <thoreauputic> ie you can write music in staves with notes if you read music
[01:54] <Jucato> and by traditional you mean like musical score sheets?
[01:54] <thoreauputic> you can also print it out etc
[01:54] <thoreauputic> right
[01:54] <Jucato> kool! it is like Finale
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Jucato: be warned - you might need to wrestle with midi configuration and/or soft synth or timidity
[01:54] <jott> oh Jucato btw i solved the khelpcenter problem ;)
[01:55] <Jucato> thoreauputic: oh ok... ^_^
[01:55] <Jucato> jott: really? care to share? :-D
[01:55] <thoreauputic> Jucato: depending on your sound card
[01:55] <redondo81> Hi, is there anyone can help me to install 3d desktop?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> !info 3ddesk
[01:55] <ubotu> Package 3ddesk does not exist in dapper
[01:55] <jott> Jucato: step 1) install htdig 3.2 ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/htdig backport this)
[01:55] <thoreauputic> hmm
[01:55] <Jucato> !info 3ddesktop
[01:55] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[01:55] <jott> 2) fix the one line i told you
[01:56] <thoreauputic> !info 2ddesktop
[01:56] <ubotu> Package 2ddesktop does not exist in dapper
[01:56] <thoreauputic> hah
[01:56] <redondo81> I try now
[01:56] <thoreauputic> !info 3ddesktop
[01:56] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[01:56] <jott> 3) in /usr/bin/khc_docbookdig.pl set $htdigdata = "/etc/htdig/"
[01:56] <thoreauputic> 3rd time lucky..
[01:57] <Jucato> jott: which version of htdig is in the repos? I have that one installed
[01:57] <thoreauputic> oh oops I should have read...
[01:57] <jott> 4) /usr/bin/khc_htsearch.pl set $htsearchpath="/usr/lib/cgi-bin/htsearch"
[01:57] <jott> Jucato:  3.1 or so.. plus it depends on apache what is really unnecessary..
[01:58] <Jucato> jott: so I must install the Edgy version of htdig won't it cause some conflicts?
[01:59] <jott> Jucato: backport.. just get source from the edgy page apply patch and do a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[01:59] <jott> if you have some webspace i can give you the deb..
[01:59] <jott> or some place to put it..
[02:00] <jott> 1.8mb
[02:00] <amachu> hi all... this is basic bout IRC
[02:00] <Jucato> hm... hold on....
[02:00] <grothesk> What ist the command to reconfigure xorg.conf?
[02:01] <grothesk> sudo dpkg --reconfigure foobar?
[02:01] <amachu> how to retain a IRC channel after leaving the channel?
[02:01] <Jucato> jott: something strange happened :-D
[02:02] <fdoving> amachu: you can rejoin a channel with the command '/join #channelname', for example '/join #kubuntu'
[02:02] <Jucato> jott: I followed the instructions using the htdig from Dapper. I can now search the Applications manuals, but I get this
[02:02] <Jucato> "There is no documentation available for /file://home/jucato/.kde/share/apps/khelpcenter/index/kde_application_manuals.tmp/index.html."
[02:02] <jott> Jucato: http://rapidshare.de/files/29971983/htdig_3.2.0b6-1_i386.deb.html
[02:02] <amachu> fdoving: i want to b an operator of a new channel..
[02:02] <eitch0000> anyone got an idea why the keyboad layout is not working anymore when I'm in the xgl server?
[02:02] <jott> Jucato: it does not work with 3.1..
[02:03] <Jucato> oh ehehe! stubborness... ^_^
[02:03] <Jucato> thanks! I'm downloading it now
[02:03] <Jucato> I guess I have to remove the older htdig?
[02:03] <fdoving> amachu: ah, you mean registering a channel? '/msg chanserv help register'
[02:03] <fdoving> !register > amachu
[02:03] <jott> Jucato: hmm i guess apt should take care.. but it cant hurt..
[02:03] <fdoving> amachu: you have to register your nickname before registering channels. FYI.
[02:03] <Jucato> err.. ok I'm going to sound noobish... can apt-get install from .deb??
[02:04] <amachu> fdoving: ok, i have my nick registered
[02:04] <jott> Jucato: dpkg -i bla.deb
[02:04] <Jucato> ah ok
[02:04] <fdoving> amachu: then '/msg chanserv help register' should be helpful for you.
[02:04] <jott> so its actually not apt you are right ;)
[02:05] <Jucato> jott: thank you very much for this. I have no idea about the source code fakeroot thingy... @_@
[02:05] <amachu> fdoving: ok.. i will try..
[02:05] <jott> Jucato: there is probably an easy howto somewhere ;)
[02:05] <jott> !backport
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about backport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <Jucato> !backports
[02:06] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[02:06] <Jucato> ehehe! Ubuntu Backports are non-functional... silly ubotu :-D
[02:06] <jott> ;)
[02:06] <amachu> REGISTER #ubuntu-ta Kayalvizhi1!
[02:06] <Jucato> here goes everything...
[02:07] <Jucato> kool! now I kan see it building :-D
[02:07] <fdoving> amachu: that is with a '/msg chanserv ' in front.. and please use another password next time :)
[02:07] <fdoving> have to go buy some food. later.
[02:07] <Jucato> now it's really building, liKe it did in SUSE!
[02:07] <Jucato> jott: so I'm presuming this is fixed in Edgy?
[02:07] <jott> i hope so..
[02:08] <jott> at least the right htdig is used..
[02:08] <Jucato> yeah, I hope so too
[02:08] <jott> if those perl scripts are fixed... i don't know ,)
[02:08] <Jucato> hmm... this will taKe quite some time... 0%...
[02:08] <jott> hehe i think it jumps to 100%
[02:09] <Jucato> lol!
[02:09] <Jucato> right as always
[02:10] <Jucato> kool! thanks jott! KHelpCenter is now more useful :-D
[02:11] <jott> ;) no problem
[02:11] <Jucato> now, if only Kubuntu added it's docs to the index...
[02:12] <Jucato> jott: does the search only point to a topic or specific manual? it does not point to the specific section of that manual?
[02:12] <jott> Jucato: hm i don't know ;)
[02:12] <jott> never used it before ;)
[02:13] <Jucato> eheheh! ok. I guess I could live with that.
[02:13] <redblades> hi all. I'm in a bit of trouble.
[02:13] <jott> does suse so?
[02:13] <Jucato> nah :-D
[02:13] <redblades> I was running regular Ubuntu, and I installed kubuntu-desktop.
[02:13] <redblades> I tried to remove gnome
[02:14] <Jucato> but SUSE's own SUSE-specific docs have their own index. so you could search SUSE's docs, App docs, and UNIX manuals
[02:14] <jott> yeah i see..
[02:14] <redblades> And it went okay, except it stopped halfway though, and chucked me onto a non-X session
[02:15] <redblades> Then, I tried to log in, and it said "/bin/bash does not exist" or similar.
[02:15] <Jucato> jott: thank you again!!
[02:16] <redblades> I'm also having issues because a need to use a command line, but konsole is not working, giving an error about malconfigured pty/
[02:17] <Jucato> isn't rosegarden supposed to be Qt based?
[02:17] <redblades> Huh?
[02:18] <Jucato> err.. sorry, completely different topic
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Jucato: as far as aI know, yes
[02:18] <Jucato> thoreauputic: it looks like GTK 1 here... like Audacity
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Jucato: you did install the new one, right?
[02:18] <Jucato> from the repos...
[02:18] <thoreauputic> Jucato: rosegarden4 ?
[02:19] <Jucato> ooh
[02:19] <Jucato> ok...
[02:19] <Jucato> I thought.... oh well...
[02:19] <thoreauputic> Jucato: sorry- should have told you
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Jucato: apt-cache search rosegarden shows 3 versions
[02:20] <thoreauputic> the nice one is rosegarden4
[02:23] <Jucato> thoreauputic: thanks. I'm installing it now
[02:23] <thoreauputic> OK - you'll like this version better :)
[02:23] <Jucato> I hope so :-D
[02:23] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:24] <thoreauputic> just be prepeared for much googling if midi doesn't work out of the box
[02:24] <Jucato> thoreauputic: midi has never worked out of the box for me...
[02:24] <Jucato> T_T
[02:24] <Jucato> so I guess this would be a good time to research on how to make it work
[02:24] <thoreauputic> Jucato: you and lots of others I'd say ( including me)
[02:25] <waspius> hi has anyone used kleansweep???
[02:25] <Jucato> thoreauputic: I was trying to look for a page in the Finale website to show you what Finale is... but I seem to have gotten lost in the web site @_@
[02:26] <waspius> cause i dont know how safe it is to remove stuff
[02:27] <Jucato> thoreauputic: good thing there's Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finale_(computer_program)
[02:28] <Jucato> err... "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finale_(computer_program)"
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Jucato: thanks :)
[02:28] <Jucato> darn! it didn't include the (....) which is part of the URL
[02:28] <Jucato> I hope Rosegarden is something like that...
[02:29] <redblades> Hi all. Look, I really really need some help.
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Jucato: well, rosegarden4 has a lot less buttons ;)
[02:29] <redblades> I can't get konsole working, so I have _no_ shells at all.
[02:30] <redblades> I'm having a lot of weird stuff happening.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> redblades:  ctrl-alt-F1
[02:30] <thoreauputic> redblades: or F2.3.4.5 ...
[02:30] <redblades> No, because I get a message "/bin/bash does not exist"
[02:31] <thoreauputic> redblades: well, what does  echo $SHELL say?
[02:31] <redblades> How should I know?
[02:31] <redblades> I can't get to a shell
[02:31] <n3storm> redblades: you are on another computer are you?
[02:31] <redblades> No
[02:31] <n3storm> ??
[02:31] <thoreauputic> redblades: *cough*  ctrl-alt-F1 to get a prompt
[02:32] <redblades> It actually says "bin/bash does not exit" as in, not /bin/bash, but bin/bash
[02:32] <thoreauputic> redblades: then type your username and pass to log in, and type  echo $SHELL
[02:32] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:32] <redblades> Doesn't work!
[02:32] <redblades> I'm sorry.
[02:32] <thoreauputic> so it thinks the path is in the same directory - weird
[02:32] <redblades> I'm just a little stressed. : )
[02:33] <jott> redblades: have you messed around with /etc/passwd?
[02:33] <redblades> Where is the file that controls where it looks for such things?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> redblades: so what is giving that message ?
[02:33] <redblades> Uhh... no OH SHIT.
[02:33] <redblades> I just realised, I removed a group from /etc/groups
[02:33] <thoreauputic> redblades: you must have some kind of shell or nothing would come up at all
[02:33] <tobias__> hello all! hope your hangover is not as hellish as mine...
[02:33] <redblades> Aghhhh!
[02:34] <n3storm> redblades: which group?
[02:34] <redblades> redblades
[02:34] <thoreauputic> oh dear
[02:34] <redblades> I don't have a user redblades on the system so I assumed it wasn't important,
[02:34] <thoreauputic> redblades: boot in recovery mode to get a root shell
[02:34] <tobias__> im on a quest to install a hp color laserjet 5m at my local independent activist house, via network, anyone have any experience in stuff like that?
[02:34] <n3storm> thoreauputic is right
[02:35] <redblades> Uhh... can I use a live CD?
[02:35] <n3storm> redblades: better not
[02:35] <n3storm> or you wouldn't know if the problem is fixed
[02:38] <tobias__> please aid me in my quest so i dont have to boot.... the x word ....
[02:38] <tobias__> followed with a ... p.... may the great penguin forgive me
[02:39] <tobias__> and save this independent activist house from the gates of hellbill
[02:39] <waspius> anyone know an easy firewall to use??or basically an interface for iptables?
[02:40] <jott> tobias__: so you want to provide a network share with the printer or print on an existing network share with the printer?
[02:40] <Smooph> waspius: fwbuilder and something with dog I heard are good
[02:41] <redblades> Okay, everyone, I'll be back
[02:41] <tobias__> jott: i got the printer connected to a router, which is connected to internet and my machine
[02:41] <Jucato_> thoreauputic: is it normal for Rosegarden to freeze the whole system when launched from the K Menu?
[02:41] <waspius> Smooph: i have tried guarddog but i did not know how to use it
[02:41] <jott> tobias__: so .. what protocol? smb? ipp?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Jucato: erm, no
[02:41] <tobias__> jott: hmmm... kubuntu?
[02:42] <Jucato_> thoreauputic: it did that, 3 times...
[02:42] <Jucato_> it only ran when I entered the command from the command line...
[02:42] <tobias__> jott: im not so versed in protocols, how do i find out which protocol we use`?
[02:42] <jott> tobias__: no.. the network printer share uses some protocol to access it..
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Jucato: try launching from a terminal and see if you get some useful error messages
[02:42] <Jucato_> thoreauputic: that's the thing. It runs successfully when launched from the terminal...
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Jucato: ah - maybe check the menu command then
[02:43] <Jucato_> ok...
[02:43] <tobias__> jott: can i find out in the manual of the printer? I just connected a tp cable from the printer to the router
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Jucato: you might have something in the menu command it doesn't like
[02:43] <Jucato_> the K Menu command uses "rosegarden4". I launched it from the CLI using "rosegarden" only
[02:43] <jott> tobias__: so you can access the printer via http://printerip ?
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Jucato: don't know why - but I've seen the same thing with konq
[02:43] <larson9999> linux rocks!!
[02:43] <Jucato_> ok.. here goes nothing :-D
[02:43] <tobias__> jott: how can i find the ip?
[02:44] <tobias__> jott: is there some way to list the ips?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> Jucato: hmmm did you uninstall the old rosegarden?
[02:44] <larson9999> it never promised you a rosegarden
[02:44] <jott> tobias__: depends ...
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Jucato: here /usr/bin/rosegarden is a symlink to rosegarden4
[02:45] <MetaMorfoziS> re
[02:46] <tobias__> jott: hmmm
[02:46] <jott> tobias__: one way would be not install nmap and scan you local subnet for active computers..
[02:46] <jott> tobias__: another would be to access your router and see if you can find the dhcp log..
[02:46] <tobias__> jott: hmm, i dont have the login and password to the router
[02:47] <jott> but i undestood right, that this printer is a network printer with a normal cat network port?
[02:48] <tobias__> its got a tp network port that i connected to a tp cable and to the router, which is so connected with one tp cable to the adsl thingie, and the router is also connected to my machine with a tp cable
[02:48] <jott> ok..
[02:48] <psb154> Which 'deb http...' source string do I have to change in order to download sun-java5-bin please?
[02:48] <jott> try "sudo apt-get install nmap" in a konsole..
[02:49] <tobias__> oki:)
[02:49] <Jucato> thoreauputic: yep, it was the K Menu entry alright...
[02:49] <thoreauputic> !repositories > psb154
[02:49] <thoreauputic> Jucato: what weirdness did it have in there?
[02:49] <Jucato> -caption "%c" %i <forgot the third>
[02:50] <Jucato> I had to remove all of them...
[02:50] <tobias__> jott: installed
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Jucato: heh - I've seen these kinds of errors in the Kmenu before - I usually just replace with a vanilla command
[02:50] <Jucato> a vanilla what? @_@
[02:51] <jott> tobias__: ok now find out your local subnet ips... like 192.168.0.* or 192.168.168.* .. if you don't know do ifconfig and look for it..
[02:51] <tobias__> oki
[02:51] <thoreauputic> Jucato: umm - a plain command like /usr/bin/rosegarden4  ?
[02:51] <fjellrev1> I just installed kubuntu but gnome is still running,anyone out there that could tell me how to get the full kubuntu exprience ?
[02:52] <jott> tobias__: then do "nmap -sP 192.168.0.0-255" where you replace the first 3 numbers with your subnet...
[02:52] <thoreauputic> Jucato: as opposed to the chocolate fudge kludge that was there before ;-)
[02:52] <tobias__> jott: oki
[02:53] <tobias__> jott: a million computer screen apeared
[02:53] <tobias__> screens
[02:53] <Jucato> ok that does it...
[02:53] <Jucato> goodbye rosegarden
[02:54] <fdoving> Jucato: what is your problem with rosegarden?
[02:54] <Jucato> it just freezes my whole system whenever I try to start it
[02:55] <Jucato> sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't
[02:55] <thoreauputic> fjellrev1: just choose KDE as session on the login screen
[02:55] <fdoving> oh, interessting.
[02:55] <Jucato> interesting and annoying...
[02:55] <Jucato> maybe some other time... T_T
[02:55] <fdoving> i did some rosegarden packaging a while back.. what version do you use, jucato ?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Jucato:  strace rosegarden4
[02:55] <Jucato> rosegarden4 from the repositories
[02:55] <Jucato> thoreauputic: will that have a possibility of freezing my system again?
[02:56] <fdoving> Jucato: dapper?
[02:56] <Jucato> yep
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Jucato: probably - but it might give you clues
[02:56] <thoreauputic> Jucato: anyway I'm sure fdoving knows far more than I
[02:56] <Jucato>  @_@
[02:57] <thoreauputic> being a packager etc
[02:57] <Jucato> thanks, but I removed it, for now...
[02:57] <Jucato> some other time perhaps...
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Jucato: you have a short patience span ;)
[02:57] <Jucato> no, I just can't keep on restarting again and again tonight
[02:57] <fdoving> thoreauputic: don't count on it.
[02:58] <fdoving> .. that i know more than you.. that is.
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Jucato: it took me about a week to figure out timidity as server, ports, freepats, config etc etc to get it all working on my rubbish sound card :)
[02:59] <fdoving> Jucato: if you want to, you can get rosegarden4 1.2.3 and dssi from http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/ - unmaintained.
[02:59] <Jucato> thoreauputic: I have spent almost 12 hours doing a server (minimal) install of Kubuntu, installing X and kde-core from the command line, installing every bit and piece of KDE that I needed. I think I have enough patience for this. But just not tonight (it's night time here)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> fdoving: the problem isn't so much rosegarden as midi etc
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Jucato: I was just kidding - I understand
[02:59] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:00] <redblades> Hi!
[03:00] <fdoving> thoreauputic: i know, but 1.2.3 is alot better than 1.0
[03:00] <redblades> I'm back.
[03:00] <fdoving> Jucato: that is 'deb http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/ ./' if you want it in sources.list
[03:00] <javi25> holaaaaaaa
[03:01] <redblades> Well, I still have the same error, although I can't actually recall the exact line so :s
[03:01] <thoreauputic> fdoving: looks like I have 1.0.1-2 or so here according to dpkg
[03:01] <Jucato> fdoving: thanks. I really appreciate it. I hope you don't take offence, but I can't work on it right now :-(
[03:01] <fdoving> thoreauputic: yes, that's the dapper one.
[03:01] <thoreauputic> fdoving: yup
[03:02] <thoreauputic> fdoving: so the newer one is available as a deb that installs on dapper without complaint?
[03:02] <fdoving> thoreauputic: the unofficial one i've packaged, yes.
[03:02] <thoreauputic> ah I see - I might try it then - thank you !
[03:03] <Jucato> thoreauputic: did you see the wikipedia page I linked to? is Rosegarden really something like Finale?
[03:03] <larson9999> think gimpshop will ever make it into the ubuntu repos?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Jucato: looks similar but I haven't looked closely to be honest - probably not as advanced
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Jucato: I mean not as advanced as finale looks at first glance
[03:05] <Jucato> I see
[03:05] <Jucato> I was just looking for a way to make some music sheets and play them (in any format). But it's not at the top of my list right now. so maybe some other time...
[03:06] <fdoving> thoreauputic: i'd suggest adding 'deb http://ubuntu.lnix.net/dapper/ ./' to sources.list, as it depends on the new dssi which is also in the repo.
[03:06] <thoreauputic> fdoving: ah OK will do - thanks for the tip
[03:09] <thoreauputic> fdoving: it doesn't appear to be installing any dependencies from that repo ?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> fdoving: there are two "recommends"
[03:10] <Jucato> whoa, jpatrick's here ^_^
[03:10] <jpatrick> Jucato: hey man
[03:11] <Jucato> hehe! the youngest Kubuntu dev! ^_^
[03:11] <thoreauputic> fdoving: comments? I don't see dssi
[03:11] <jpatrick> Jucato: I've had a long break...
[03:12] <Jucato> jpatrick: kool! you guys deserve it. :-D
[03:12] <Jucato> now get back to work on Edgy! lol
[03:12] <jpatrick> Jucato: i've hardly done anything for Edgy..
[03:12] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:13] <jpatrick> Jucato: how are you?
[03:13] <Jucato> jpatrick: fine. tweaking things here and there. experimenting with stuff. breaking my system :-D
[03:14] <fdoving> thoreauputic: hm? i was away for a sec.
[03:14] <thoreauputic> fdoving: I'm puzzled - I see two recommends but no dependencies
[03:15] <thoreauputic> and nothing about dssi
[03:15] <fdoving> thoreauputic: ok, my bad then. might be just build-depends. I don't remember.
[03:15] <thoreauputic> and of course an authentiaction warning, but that's expected
[03:16] <thoreauputic> *authentication
[03:16] <Jucato> aunthenti-action does sound good... ^_^
[03:16] <thoreauputic> fdoving: OK well I'll go ahead then :) If it's broken I'll lart you unmercifully *G*
[03:17] <thoreauputic> just kidding..
[03:18] <jpatrick> thoreauputic: s/he hopes
[03:18] <thoreauputic> jpatrick: :)
[03:18] <thoreauputic> unpacking...
[03:18] <anaskius> hello
[03:19] <fdoving> thoreauputic: looking forward to it :)
[03:20] <anaskius> anyone using 64 bit kubuntu?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> fdoving: when did you first become aware of these masochistic tendencies ? *G*
[03:21] <fdoving> thoreauputic: kindergarten :)
[03:21] <thoreauputic> oh a pretty rose.... splash is shorter...
[03:23] <thoreauputic> fdoving: well I have sound - that's a good start :)
[03:23] <fdoving> sounds good :)
[03:23] <thoreauputic> also seems to be using less CPU than before
[03:24] <thoreauputic> playing the demo
[03:25] <fdoving> that's not bad :)
[03:25] <anaskius> anyone know how to get a spdif connection working on my soundcard?
[03:25] <thoreauputic> fdoving: the notation editor pops up faster too - nice
[03:25] <fdoving> anaskius: did you try the switches in kmix?
[03:25] <anaskius> no
[03:26] <anaskius> is there a switch for that?
[03:26] <anaskius> maybe i missed it
[03:26] <fdoving> anaskius: don't know, depends on your soundcard and the driver for it.
[03:27] <anaskius> i have ac97 on asus a8n-e motherboard
[03:27] <waspius> i opened kdiskfree and for some reason i have 3 more dev than what i should..udev,varlock,varrun 220.1mb each..anyone know what they are?
[03:28] <anaskius> would be really nice if i could connect my computer to my amplifier that way
[03:29] <anaskius> dont know where to gety a linux driver for that?
[03:29] <anaskius> -y
[03:29] <thoreauputic> fdoving: well, it seems a bit more responsive and so far everything works well - thank you :) Where should bug reports go if I see any problems ?
[03:30] <fdoving> thoreauputic: heh.. well, you could send them to me at frode@lnix.net, but i doubt anything would happen, as i don't have time to maintain and support the package, and edgy got a 1.2.3 synced from debian. :)
[03:31] <thoreauputic> fdoving: ah OK - well thank you for the package - I'll look forward to edgy :)
[03:33] <Kiongku> dpkg does not like pkg names without numbers XD
[03:33] <anaskius> i think everybody who knows something is sleeping...im not because its afternoon in finland
[03:33] <Kiongku> anaskius prob?
[03:34] <Jucato> Kiongku: not if you're installing
[03:34] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe yo man... oh well.. just found out
[03:34] <Jucato> ^_^
[03:34] <Kiongku> the default amarok
[03:34] <Kiongku> cannot recognise wma in collection
[03:34] <Kiongku> i'm trying to get the latest one
[03:35] <anaskius> my souncards spdif connection...cant get it working is there some drivers for realtek alc850
[03:35] <Jucato> Kiongku: you don't need a new Amarok
[03:35] <Jucato> Kiongku: you need the w32codecs
[03:35] <Kiongku> anaskius: spdif?
[03:35] <anaskius> amarok is great
[03:35] <anaskius> optical connection
[03:35] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[03:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:35] <redblades> Hi, I'm back, and I can now use Gnome terminal, but Konsole is still b0rked, as is the alt+ctrl+F1/2/3/3/4 thing
[03:35] <anaskius> or digital
[03:35] <Kiongku> Jucato: amarok can play wma.. only the collection refuses to list it
[03:35] <Jucato> oh
[03:35] <Kiongku> anaskius: ah
[03:36] <anaskius> dont really know the proper term for that thing
[03:36] <Kiongku> anaskius: sorry.. really noob in matter of soundcards for linux.. i have an integrated one so i dunt have any prob with it
[03:37] <fdoving> anaskius: no dice with the switches in kmix?
[03:37] <anaskius> so do i
[03:37] <larson9999> any idea why the kde pesonalize wizard starts every time i log in to kde?
[03:37] <Kiongku> anaskius: http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/211089/Realtek-ALC650-ALC655-AC97-Audio.html
[03:37] <anaskius> ill try that..ill have to mount my windows partition first so i can get some music
[03:37] <fdoving> larson9999: you're probably using kde 3.5.4 from kubuntu.org.
[03:38] <anaskius> thanks ill check that out
[03:38] <Kiongku> larson9999: its a known bug.. i had same prob resolved it
[03:38] <larson9999> fdoving: argggh  another known?  i guess i should read the known bug stuff more
[03:38] <larson9999> :)
[03:38] <Jucato> larson9999: try this link: http://www.kde-forum.org/thread.php?threadid=15137&sid=
[03:39] <Kiongku> larson9999: that thing was annoying me yesteday.. kicked it out XD..
[03:40] <Jucato> I think Kiongku has the solution
[03:40] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe :p
[03:41] <Kiongku> wait i look for it
[03:41] <Jucato> Kiongku: does it have something to do with editing /usr/bin/startkde?
[03:41] <anaskius> im downloading that driver now...but i dont really know how to unzip and install it
[03:41] <Kiongku> Jucato: yap
[03:41] <Kiongku> Jucato: need to comment kpersonalizer to stop it running
[03:42] <Kiongku> anaskius: hmm..
[03:42] <firepol> ho there. i want to upgrade to dapper without download unnecessary files. thus is it possible to install kubuntu-desktop without its dependencies? so then i replace breezy/dapper in the sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:42] <anaskius> do i have to download some program to unzip?
[03:42] <Kiongku> anaskius: nope.. btw whats the prob.. no sound?
[03:42] <anaskius> it was a xip package
[03:43] <Kiongku> linux can take care of zip package
[03:43] <anaskius> i have sound via analog connection but it sounds really bad
[03:43] <Kiongku> anaskius: really no idea ._. first time i hear that prob
[03:44] <anaskius> i think ill try to get the digital one working even if i have to sit on my computer 24/7
[03:44] <anaskius> !mount
[03:44] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[03:45] <waspius> if i use icewm is it possible to run a panel on it?
[03:46] <anaskius> !mount windows
[03:46] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 149 kB, installed size 336 kB
[03:46] <anaskius> !mount windows partition
[03:46] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 149 kB, installed size 336 kB
[03:48] <redblades> So, I have this issue where if I try to go to a non-X session, I can't get a shell and it says "file bin/bash does not exist" ***note! it says "bin/bash" not /bin/bash
[03:48] <redblades> Is it possible somehow it is looking in the wrong place?
[03:48] <anaskius> so now i have a zip file called linux_v23.zip and now i need to unzip and install it do i need to use console and what do i do
[03:48] <fdoving> redblades: can you get a root-shell somehow from within X?
[03:50] <anaskius> by the way...im a linux noob
[03:50] <fdoving> redblades: can you run 'konsole' from within KDE ?
[03:50] <_david> anyone know if xmms has a plugin for wma files?
[03:50] <larson9999> ok. i'm all ready to create some crazy captorials.  all i need is some questions with easy answers(i don't know any hard answers)
[03:50] <anaskius> this seems to be an good system this kubuntu thing
[03:51] <Kiongku> Jucato: lol some deleted file stayed in desktop..
[03:51] <kbrooks> sO.
[03:51] <larson9999> *buntu isn't so bad i must say
[03:51] <Jucato> ??
[03:51] <anaskius> had an idea to try it and i installed it the other day
[03:52] <anaskius> i really like amarok as a mediaplayer
[03:52] <anaskius> it more versitale than winamp and WMP i think
[03:52] <anaskius> versatile sorry
[03:53] <fdoving> dahump: i think there is something called 'xmms-wma' somewhere.. check xmms.org
[03:53] <anaskius> my english is rusty..dont use it much
[03:53] <dahump> ok then here is a nice common newbie problem that I'm sure most of you have encountered. I have my kubuntu box networked with my Windows machine. I can see my windows machine, but whenever I try to access my home folder on the Windows machine it asks for my password. I enter my password and it just asks for it again and again and again. Please tell me what I am doing wrong/
[03:53] <dahump> thanks fdoving
[03:54] <redblades> fdoving: yes, I can access a root shell, through gnome-terminal, and no, I have an odd crash when I try to tun Knosle.
[03:54] <redblades> fdoving: konsole
[03:54] <anaskius> but now to my problem unzipping a package and installing it
[03:54] <fdoving> redblades: ok, open gnome-terminal. and run 'sudo chsh -s /bin/bash username' where username is your username
[03:55] <anaskius> "so now i have a zip file called linux_v23.zip and now i need to unzip and install it do i need to use console and what do i do" it should be a driver for my soundcard
[03:56] <firepol> why should i install (k)ubuntu-desktop (or edu) before upgrading to dapper ?
[03:56] <Healot> anaskius, read the README file, it is usually in the uncompressed directory
[03:56] <fdoving> anaskius: i'd suggest dropping it, as installing non-supported drivers is a very complicated process.
[03:56] <firepol> i dont want to install unnecessary files but just to upgrade to dapper, actually im using ubuntu with fluxbox, not gnome and not kde
[03:56] <anaskius> okay but its a linux driver?
[03:56] <Mez> firepol, then you dont really need to
[03:56] <anaskius> does that matter
[03:57] <fdoving> firepol: to make sure all new programs are installed, in new versions new features are added, and old features are removed, kubuntu-desktop and the other meta-packages are there to depend on the new and shiny packages, and to conflict with the old and deprecated packages, that way new packages are installed, and old packages are removed, when you install a meta package.
[03:57] <anaskius> if i dont get my soundcards connections working then i yhink i wont be using linux much
[03:58] <anaskius> *think
[03:58] <dahump> ok then here is a nice common newbie problem that I'm sure most of you have encountered. I have my kubuntu box networked with my Windows machine. I can see my windows machine, but whenever I try to access my home folder on the Windows machine it asks for my password. I enter my password and it just asks for it again and again and again. Please tell me what I am doing wrong/
[03:59] <anaskius> if i have to listen that noise that i hear from the analog connection
[03:59] <firepol> fdoving, but if i install kubuntu-desktop now, it will download 200 mb of programs. then afterwards i have to modify sources.list (to dapper) and re-download the dapper versions, thats why im asking
[03:59] <firepol> i prefear to download directly what im already using (dapper version) and then if something doesnt work ill download kubuntu.desktop (when ill be using dapper)
[03:59] <fdoving> firepol: ah, no, that's waste. I'd suggest dist-upgrading to dapper first, without installing kubuntu-desktop.
[04:00] <intelikey> why does kde make a /root dir and add links  "cache-zeos486 -> /var/tmp/kdecache-root    socket-zeos486 -> /tmp/ksocket-root    tmp-zeos486 -> /tmp/kde-root"  ?   isn't that just plain stupid?    sepecally when /root is not anybodies home dir  ???
[04:00] <firepol> so why is it written in the documentation to make sure "kubuntu-desktop" is installed first?
[04:00] <firepol> the guide is guiding to waste downlaod and time
[04:00] <janne> yes
[04:00] <janne> it is..
[04:00] <firepol> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[04:00] <fdoving> firepol: not if you're using a full kubuntu system.
[04:01] <janne> a few days ago i lost my dapper cds.
[04:01] <firepol> ;)
[04:01] <janne> i made a breezy server install
[04:01] <Mez> janne: I've only got 6 kubuntu dapper CDs :P
[04:01] <anaskius> so you are not willing to help me??...thats okay ill try to solve the problem myself then and probably mess my system totally
[04:01] <kbrooks> janne: no need for these dapper cds
[04:01] <Mez> lol - and they were the ones I nicked at the end of LRL
[04:01] <janne> upgraded to dapper an installed gnome
[04:01] <kbrooks> anaskius: ddont
[04:01] <kbrooks> anaskius: jus give up.
[04:01] <max>  ???
[04:01] <anaskius> why should i give up
[04:01] <kbrooks> max: #kubuntu-ru
[04:02] <kbrooks> anaskius: Because its a very complicated process.
[04:02] <firepol> anaskius why dont u buy a new soundcard for a few bucks?
[04:02] <anaskius> if thats a linux driver then i dont understand why you cant install it?
[04:02] <anaskius> dont use bucks
[04:02] <anaskius> lol
[04:02] <firepol> use dolars then ;)
[04:02] <firepol> or euros
[04:03] <Mez> max: try #kubuntu-ru or #ubuntu-ru
[04:03] <anaskius> dont use em neither
[04:03] <kbrooks> anaskius: It is a linux driver, but this is kubuntu
[04:03] <anaskius> euros sound fine
[04:03] <firepol> then use a pistol and steal it ;)
[04:03] <kbrooks> anaskius: What sound card do you have?
[04:03] <anaskius> and kubuntu aint no linux=
[04:03] <intelikey> "<kbrooks> anaskius: It is a linux driver, but this is kubuntu"   say what ?
[04:03] <Mez> kubuntu = a distribution based on GNU/Linux
[04:04] <anaskius> realtek alc850 i think
[04:04] <kbrooks> anaskius: it is based on linux, BUT kubuntu has package management that you want to use.
[04:04] <MitchM> "<kbrooks> anaskius: It is a linux driver, but this is kubuntu"   say what ?
[04:04] <solus_> hey everyone, anyone with a knowledge of 6.06 and monitor problems would be great to talk to at the moment, lol
[04:04] <Mez> kbrooks: you dont always have to use it
[04:04] <kbrooks> anaskius: Does it work? Did you test sound?
[04:04] <jorik> don't you people know nothing ?! dapper uses the OpenBSD kernel instead of Linus'
[04:04] <dahump> anone know aof a linux app that will play wma files?
[04:04] <jorik> ;)
[04:04] <intelikey> mez   errr actually   kubuntu = a distrobution of GNU/linux
[04:04] <Mez> solus_, for monitor problems, you might get a quicker answer in #ubuntu
[04:04] <solus_> thanks so much mez
[04:04] <Mez> jorik: lol - no - that would be incorrect
[04:04] <anaskius> works fine with analog connections but not with digital ones
[04:05] <Mez> solus_, there are more people in there - and monitor problems is a general thing that isnt specific to #kubuntu
[04:05] <kbrooks> anaskius: Why do you want digital connections?
[04:05] <kbrooks> !fixres
[04:05] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:05] <Healot> then, you need the realtek release, anaskius
[04:05] <kbrooks> As well.
[04:05] <anaskius> for better sound
[04:05] <solus_> yeah, but this is the channel i have my irc auto open into, lol
[04:05] <redblades> fdoving: done, sorry, I was helping a windows friend :p
[04:05] <Mez> anaskius, have you checked whether the digital outputs are working,m just dont have the volume turned up on them ?
[04:05] <anaskius> i have it on my compuiter
[04:05] <solus_> and some really ncie people helped my last time
[04:06] <anaskius> never found no switches for em
[04:06] <fdoving> redblades: then try again.
[04:06] <Mez> solus_, if you're using konversaiton, the reason you come here is my fauly
[04:06] <Mez> anaskius, have you tried kmixer ?
[04:06] <anaskius> and my amp dont show that its connected
[04:06] <redblades> fdoving: Okay, I can do the no-X thing now, but konsole still gives an error.
[04:06] <anaskius> no
[04:06] <solus_> i am, and its ok, i like the people who are usually in here
[04:06] <fdoving> redblades: what's the konsole error?
[04:07] <anaskius> never found that neither
[04:07] <redblades> fdoving: depends on how I open it, from within terminal:
[04:07] <anaskius> kmix found it
[04:07] <redblades> fdoving:
[04:07] <redblades> Failed to open device
[04:07] <redblades> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[04:07] <redblades> konsole: WARNING: Unable to open a pseudo teletype!
[04:07] <redblades> Uh oh.. can't get terminal attributes..
[04:07] <redblades> Ect
[04:07] <anaskius> but now i need to mount my windows partition for some music
[04:07] <redblades> etc
[04:07] <Kiongku> zzzzzzzzzz
[04:08] <fdoving> redblades: oh..
[04:08] <redblades> fdoving: the other way, by clciking the icon,
[04:08] <redblades> Failed to open device
[04:08] <redblades> ScimInputContextPlugin()
[04:08] <redblades> konsole: WARNING: Unable to open a pseudo teletype!
[04:08] <redblades> Uh oh.. can't get terminal attributes..
[04:08] <anaskius> klongku dont sleep..am i boring you?
[04:08] <intelikey> redblades you trying to run konsole from console ?
[04:08] <kbrooks> anaskius: Um, hes going to bed
[04:08] <redblades> I tried it, but that wasn't the first thing I di.
[04:08] <redblades> Why?
[04:08] <kbrooks> anaskius: no one is boring him.
[04:09] <intelikey> redblades koncole requires X
[04:09] <redblades> I ahev X
[04:09] <anaskius> is there a guide how to mount windows on kubuntu somewhere?
[04:09] <redblades> have X
[04:09] <redblades> I'm in Konversation...
[04:09] <intelikey> try konsole -display :0
[04:09] <kbrooks> intelikey: no psuedo TTY
[04:09] <anaskius> wont get rid of windows not yet
[04:09] <redblades> konsole: '<displayname>' missing.
[04:10] <kbrooks> anaskius: We dont care about that
[04:10] <kbrooks> the forums do ;)
[04:10] <redblades> I'm very anxious to get konsole working.
[04:10] <anaskius> so do you know how i can mount windows
[04:10] <firepol> anaskous: mount or use windows?
[04:10] <mo> hello
[04:11] <kbrooks> firepol: mount
[04:11] <anaskius> i need a link for some guide that tells me how to do that
[04:11] <firepol> to moutn a partition its quite easy: mount /dev/hdaXX (where xx is the number of the partitino u want to mount) destinationfolder /e.g. /mnt/windows)
[04:11] <redblades> kbrooks, intelikey, fdoving: So, any ideas?
[04:11] <firepol> (u have to create the destinatinfolder first)
[04:11] <kbrooks> firepol: not helpful.
[04:11] <kbrooks> anaskius: #ubuntu-classroom
[04:11] <fdoving> redblades: you can try 'konsole -e /bin/sh'
[04:11] <firepol> in my case, my windows partitino is the first hard drive. so /dev/hda1
[04:12] <anaskius> okay i think i found a guide to do that allready
[04:12] <Kiongku> .. anyone ever tried to compile amarok?
[04:12] <Kiongku> !info ruby1.8
[04:12] <ubotu> ruby1.8: Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.8. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.4-1ubuntu1.1 (dapper), package size 183 kB, installed size 268 kB
[04:12] <anaskius> i only have one harddrive
[04:12] <kbrooks> anaskius: FEEL FREE to leave #ubuntu-classroom :-)
[04:12] <anaskius> okay
[04:15] <mo>  hi, i have a question about updated kernels, can i delete theold config, initrd, vmlinuz files from the old kernes?
[04:15] <mo> or are they still nescessary?
[04:15] <fdoving> mo: i suggest removing the old kernels with the package manager.
[04:15] <mo> ok
[04:15] <fdoving> mo: keeping one as a backup might be smart.
[04:15] <pavi> hi how to install gaim in kubuntu
[04:16] <kbrooks> anaskius: hang on
[04:16] <Kiongku> mo: is it an updated official kernel?
[04:16] <ccc_> pavi: sudo apt-get install gaim
[04:16] <fdoving> pavi: open Adept package manager and search for and install gaim.
[04:16] <mo> fdoving: yes your right
[04:16] <mo> Kiongku: yes, from adept
[04:16] <redblades> fdoving: okay, well that works, and even if I try "konsole -e /bin/bash" it works, with the pretty colours, etc, but it actually gives an error anyway!
[04:16] <ccc_> pavi: but i recommend kopete instead :)
[04:17] <pavi> no idont like kopete
[04:17] <Kiongku> mo: well usually the official kernel should be alright.. and can remove older ones. in theory
[04:17] <redblades> I do
[04:17] <mo> Kiongku: ok i use adept for it
[04:17] <redblades> I'm using kopete for MSN. But Konversation for IRC
[04:17] <Kiongku> mo: unless ur like me who tries building custom one.. then :P one as backup is a must
[04:17] <fdoving> redblades: it's because you somehow have messed up your default shell, i think if you logout and log back in. that might help. as you have changed the shell back to /bin/bash with chsh already.
[04:17] <jorik> kopete has [better]  kde integration, but it only supports MSN, i like gaim cuz it does jabber too
[04:17] <ccc_> jorik: kopete does jabber
[04:17] <redblades> Oh... I'll try
[04:17] <redblades> brb all!
[04:17] <mo> Kiongku: ok, i will trie this if i have some years of experience
[04:17] <jorik> FO REAL ?!
[04:17] <ccc_> jorik: of course
[04:17] <kblog> hi
[04:18] <pavi> hey see the result of apt gettin
[04:18] <pavi> http://pastebin.ca/138804
[04:18] <jorik> wow coooooool, brb
[04:18] <Kiongku> mo: hehe
[04:18] <Kiongku> jorik: the new kopete hates msn.. or it keeps crashin when i run the msn protocol XD
[04:18] <kblog> has anybody an idea how to tell thunderbird that he have to use firefox as standard browser instead of konquerror?
[04:19] <pavi> hello
[04:19] <ccc_> Kiongku: works fine here on kopete 0.12.1
[04:19] <pavi> anyone there
[04:19] <pavi> reply
[04:20] <Kiongku> ccc_: too bad for me.
[04:21] <pavi> hello I want solution for gaim and firefox
[04:21] <ccc_> Kiongku: ah there's a 0.12.2, i didn't know
[04:21] <pavi> to b e installed in kubuntu
[04:21] <Mez> pavi: sudo apt-get install gaim firefox
[04:21] <mo> pavi: or use adept
[04:22] <pavi> http://pastebin.ca/138804
[04:22] <pavi> mo and mez
[04:22] <pavi> check that
[04:22] <pavi> and firefox needs damn
[04:22] <pavi> stuff
[04:22] <pavi> like gtk
[04:23] <Mez> yes - but you just install those too
[04:23] <Kiongku> pavi: just install.. its auto
[04:23] <mo> pavi: sorry i have only a 4 ay experience in kubuntu, all the soft i insatalled was thru adept
[04:23] <Mez> ah
[04:23] <larson9999> anyone here know how to install an ati wonder elite in kubuntu?  or if it's supported even.  i can't find anything that tells me one way or another.  then again i'm not the best googler.
[04:23] <Mez> pavi: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <pavi> its not workin booh
[04:23] <pavi> ya sure
[04:23] <jorik> ccc_: big thanks
[04:24] <Phreakys> hello
[04:24] <kbrooks> hello Phreakys
[04:24] <Phreakys> i just installed kubuntu 6.06 on my laptop, now it won't boot up the desktop :/
[04:25] <Phreakys> hello kbrooks
[04:25] <anaskius> thank k
[04:25] <Healot> CCCC :)
[04:25] <anaskius> s
[04:25] <kbrooks> np anaskius
[04:25] <Phreakys> anyone can help me with it?
[04:25] <Mez> Phreakys, I'm guessing it leaves you at a command line ?
[04:25] <Phreakys> maybe standard resolution is no good?
[04:25] <Phreakys> yes
[04:26] <Mez> Phreakys, login and then do this
[04:26] <anaskius> now i must have a smoke..
[04:26] <Mez> sudo killall kdm
[04:26] <Mez> kdm
[04:26] <Phreakys> i booted in the command line now from grub, but im a former windows user and quite new to linux
[04:26] <pavi> http://pastebin.ca/138818
[04:26] <Mez> and that should either give you a nice error message
[04:26] <pavi> is the sources.list
[04:26] <Mez> or boot you into the desktopo
[04:26] <mo> ok, thanx to all of you, cya
[04:26] <Phreakys> ah tnx
[04:26] <Phreakys> ill try
[04:27] <Mez> pavi: edit the file - your line that says "#deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[04:27] <redblades> fdoving: (and all the other people) thanks! it all works now!
[04:27] <Mez> " shouldnt have a "#" at the start
[04:27] <Mez> delete that # then do a sudo apt-get update
[04:27] <Mez> and installing should work
[04:27] <fdoving> redblades: you're welcome. a logout/login did the trick?
[04:29] <Phreakys> hm, i cant login with my standard username /pw i made during the installation :/
[04:29] <Phreakys> do i need to login from root?
[04:29] <Mez> use your username you set up when you installed
[04:29] <kbrooks> Phreakys: You cant.
[04:29] <dahump> can anyone tell me how to upgrade my kubuntu distro using apt?
[04:30] <kbrooks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[04:30] <dahump> gee thanks!!
[04:30] <Mez> !tell dahump about upgrading
[04:30] <Mez> !tell mez about upgrading
[04:30] <fdoving> !upgrading > fdoving
[04:30] <redblades> fdoving: yeah
[04:30] <Mez> ?
[04:31] <fdoving> redblades: great :)
[04:31] <redblades> So, now, I need to know how to remove gnome.
[04:31] <redblades> I can't quite seem to get rid of it properly...
[04:33] <pavi> I did that
[04:33] <pavi> but not workin
[04:33] <_gpg_> from where i can get extra repositories, r from where can i update my /etc/apt/sources.list please
[04:34] <fdoving> !source-o-matic
[04:34] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:34] <fdoving> _gpg_: ^^
[04:34] <kblog> how can i configure thunderbird to open firefox instead of konquerror whenever I klick on a link?
[04:35] <_gpg_> fdoving: i found the file for ubuntu but not for kubuntu, are there same ?
[04:35] <fdoving> _gpg_: yes.
[04:35] <fdoving> redblades: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Uninstall_ubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <anaskius> no signal on the digital connection
[04:38] <Jucato> kblog: try to check this thread in the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194515
[04:38] <fdoving> kblog: one of the first google hits: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Changing_the_web_browser_invoked_by_Thunderbird
[04:39] <Jucato> kblog: and this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[04:39] <redblades> fdoving: but it says about removing firefox... I use firefox, because I prefer the gecko engine (among other reasons)
[04:39] <Rodil> there any way to update the package list without getting online?
[04:39] <fdoving> redblades: then i suggest reinstalling firefox afterwards.
[04:39] <fdoving> redblades: that is, if you have the bandwidth to do that.
[04:40] <Phreakys> hm ok, i made a root password so i can login (forgot my userpw :S )
[04:40] <eguzki> estoy desesperada con los repositoriooooos
[04:40] <Jucato> it's quite funny that some people who come in the IRC aren't aware of the forums, and some people in the forums aren't aware of (or don't care about) the IRC... @_@
[04:40] <kblog> jucato: thanx
[04:40] <Jucato> kblog: no problem. be sure to check the 2 thread and the link fdoving gave
[04:40] <Mez> eguzki - #ubuntu-es
[04:40] <Jucato> threads*
[04:41] <redblades> fdoving: yep. Anyway, it's only about 10MBisn't it?
[04:41] <Phreakys> i typed sudo kdm, anything hangs now
[04:42] <Healot> run the init script isntead
[04:42] <Healot> .. /etc/rc.d/kdm start
[04:42] <fdoving> redblades: yes, + some dependencies you also probably need to re-install. don't know how much that would be, but if you're not on isdn/analogue it's not a problem.
[04:42] <Phreakys> will try, tnx healot
[04:42] <redblades> k
[04:43] <Healot> don't try it, Phreakys , not good for health
[04:43] <Jucato> err.... I have a tooltip that won't go away... @_@
[04:44] <leppards> hi can anyone point me to a repository from where I can install e17. I tried the one from http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216 but it doesnt work
[04:44] <_gpg_> Is it possible to change the look of kbuntu when it starts (when it loaeds mondules) ?
[04:44] <Jucato> when I mouse-overed (or is it moused-over) KTorrent in system tray, it displayed a tooltip with information. But now the tooltip won't go away. it's stuck to the screen...
[04:45] <Jucato> oh nvm
[04:45] <Jucato> quitting KTorrent did it...
[04:45] <Jucato> that was weird,though...
[04:45] <Healot> _gpg_, the splash screen eh
[04:46] <Healot> !usplash
[04:46] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[04:46] <djclue917> is there any way of integrating KBFX into KXDocker?
[04:46] <Jucato> one of the hardest things to make and change... USplash... T_T
[04:46] <Phreakys> hm, could it be possible that kde's resolution is invalid, so i dont get a screen? and if so, where can i change the default resolution from commandline?
[04:46] <fdoving> !xconf
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xconf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:46] <Healot> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:46] <fdoving> !xconfig
[04:46] <ubotu> xconfig is To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:47] <Healot> or call 1-800-ILL-BE-THERE
[04:47] <Phreakys> will try ;)
[04:47] <Jucato> lol
[04:47] <Phreakys> sweet, it detects my x700
[04:48] <_gpg_> Healot: not the splash, but he screen when it kbuntu loads befor displaying the popup "longin passwd"
[04:48] <Phreakys> omg, videocard bus identifier? :/
[04:48] <_gpg_> Healot: when it sais mounting ntfs OK, etc
[04:48] <Healot> _gpg_, checkout kde-looks.org
[04:48] <Jucato> _gpg_: that is USplash
[04:49] <_gpg_> Jucato: we can change it ?
[04:49] <Healot> !usplash
[04:49] <ubotu> usplash is the start-up splash (before GNOME/KDE appears) in Ubuntu. To customize it, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto
[04:49] <Healot> as follows
[04:49] <Jucato> we can. but from my experience, it isn't that easy
[04:49] <Jucato> there are only 3 USplash themes available from KDE-Look.org, last time I checked
[04:50] <Healot> my one cent, if you have no purpose than rather cosmetics, you don't have to change the splash
[04:50] <Jucato> ehehehe
[04:50] <Jucato> maybe we don't HAVE to, but some would certainly WANT to... :-D
[04:50] <redblades> fdoving: Aghhh!!!! It's removing KDE things too!!
[04:51] <Healot> or you'll get the greatest pain in your behind
[04:51] <Jucato> which shouldn't be, right?
[04:51] <fdoving> redblades: write down the package names, and re-install afterwards.
[04:51] <Phreakys> damn
[04:51] <Phreakys> nothing
[04:51] <Jucato> Splashy is a bootsplash theme, but it's easy to change (and lots of themes too)
[04:51] <redblades> I'll just reinstall kubuntu-desktop again. Bah. I'm annoyed though.
[04:52] <Phreakys> maybe kubuntu-desktop is easier to handle than the alternate version?
[04:52] <redblades> Well, yeah
[04:52] <redblades> What do you mean... ?
[04:53] <Phreakys> hm, i installed the alternate package, but it won't initiate the kdm desktop
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> eye candy...
[04:53] <Phreakys> just a blank screen
[04:54] <redblades> ...
[04:54] <redblades> Why is that hard?
[04:56] <Phreakys> i have no clue. i just followed the installation procedures, and end up with this screen. maybe it's giving problems because im installing on a widescreen laptop
[04:56] <Healot> huh
[04:56] <Phreakys> reloaded the x setup though, and selected the right resolutions :/
[04:56] <Healot> follow exactly as?
[04:57] <Healot> different monitor has different refresh rate, change according to yours, not in the example, for F sake :)
[04:57] <Phreakys> well, did everything according to the normal setup procedure without errors
[04:57] <Phreakys> ok, will retry the setup
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> On one of my laptops - the wide screen did not get seen/set right res untull i installed the ati drivers.
[04:59] <rzei> is anyone here using relakks?
[04:59] <rzei> or using a pptp connection? i could use some routing advice
[04:59] <anaskius> is there such thing as 64 bit java?
[05:00] <anaskius> or should i say java runtime enviroment
[05:00] <pavi> I couldnt install bot firefox or
[05:00] <pavi> gaim
[05:01] <rzei> my problem is that i think i have everything set up correctly, i just am not getting anything back from my ppp0
[05:01] <pavi> I have  given error report
[05:01] <pavi> neither could
[05:01] <pavi> I do
[05:01] <pavi> with sources.list
[05:01] <rzei> you don't happen to be italian?
[05:02] <anaskius> how can i get mp3 codecs?
[05:02] <Jucato> !mp3
[05:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:02] <anaskius> okay
[05:03] <Jucato> anaskius: you can use this guide in adding the Multiverse repository: https://help.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[05:05] <drak-angel> hey
[05:05] <drak-angel> sup
[05:05] <MitchM> hi
[05:05] <Phreakys> hm trying to setup horizontal sync range, but i have no clue what it is for this laptop :/
[05:05] <drak-angel> hey
[05:06] <tw|sted> hi, has anyone of you ever installed gyachE on dapper?
[05:06] <_gpg_> from where i can install kdeveloppe?
[05:06] <drak-angel> :\
[05:06] <_gpg_> kdevelop
[05:06] <drak-angel> what do u guys talk bout in here any way
[05:06] <drak-angel>  ?
[05:06] <Jucato> !info kdevelop
[05:06] <ubotu> Package kdevelop does not exist in dapper
[05:07] <Hawkwind> _gpg_: sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[05:07] <Hawkwind> !info kdevelop3
[05:07] <ubotu> kdevelop3: An IDE for Unix/X11 - development version. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 1218 kB, installed size 3896 kB
[05:07] <Jucato> oh
[05:07] <Jucato> lol it's kdevelop3 @_@
[05:07] <drak-angel> &_&
[05:07] <Jucato> drak-angel: support channel for Kubuntu
[05:07] <_gpg_> ty
[05:08] <drak-angel> :\?
[05:08] <waspius> i downloaded and installed a desktop manager but it wount work..i need to put somewhere ~/.xresources...does anyone know where?
[05:08] <_gpg_> i forgot to do sudo apt-get update :))
[05:08] <Hawkwind> waspius: What desktop manager ?
[05:08] <_gpg_> !info svn
[05:08] <ubotu> Package svn does not exist in dapper
[05:08] <waspius> Hawkwind: fvwm crystal
[05:08] <drak-angel> jucato:what
[05:09] <Hawkwind> waspius: Why not just sudo apt-get install fvwm   ?
[05:09] <Hawkwind> drak-angel: This channel is a help/support channel for the Kubuntu Linux distro.  Do you have a question concerning Kubuntu ?
[05:10] <Jucato>  <drak-angel> what do u guys talk bout in here any way <--- this is the Support (IRC) Channel for Kubuntu. we talk about Kubuntu-related support inquiries/questions
[05:10] <tw|sted> ubotu: the package is called subversion i think
[05:10] <drak-angel> o
[05:10] <drak-angel> ok
[05:10] <waspius> Hawkwind: i did not know if it would find it
[05:10] <Jucato> tw|sted: you are right
[05:10] <Jucato> !info subversion
[05:10] <ubotu> subversion: advanced version control system (aka. svn). In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.1-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 3016 kB
[05:10] <Pensacola> I'm having trouble configuring my sound card to work with my tv card can anyone help me?
[05:10] <Hawkwind> waspius: You should always check by doing:  apt-cache search package-name
[05:10] <tw|sted> talking to bot how great :/
[05:11] <Jucato> ehehe
[05:11] <waspius> Hawkwind: i did not know that
[05:11] <Hawkwind> waspius: You can find out if a package exists by doing that.  In your case, apt-cache search fvwm  would have answered your question
[05:11] <Jucato> _gpg_: was the one looking for it, btw
[05:11] <anaskius> its a hard job getting everything to work in kubuntu..letd hope its worth it
[05:11] <drak-angel> is that all  talk bout
[05:11] <drak-angel> is that all u talk bout
[05:11] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok i will have that in mind..thank you
[05:11] <Jucato> waspius: you could also try typing in "apt:/" in Konqueror. Nice little GUI for apt-cache
[05:11] <ninHer> hi everybody
[05:11] <Hawkwind> drak-angel: That's what the channel is for
[05:11] <drak-angel> o yea
[05:11] <Jucato> drak-angel: considering that's the purpose of the channel, yes
[05:12] <waspius> Jucato: i will check thanx
[05:12] <drak-angel> lol :) right
[05:12] <Jucato> #kubuntu-offtopic is supposed to be the place for non-support related stuff, whether they be related to Kubuntu or not
[05:12] <anaskius> drak-angel this aint no chat!!
[05:13] <drak-angel> yea i know that ant that dum
[05:13] <anaskius> or your regular irc channel
[05:13] <anaskius> i thought you were
[05:13] <Jucato> easy now...
[05:13] <drak-angel> lol fever funny
[05:13] <Ash-Fox> !ati
[05:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:13] <drak-angel> really i thought i was to
[05:14] <drak-angel> not!!!!!!
[05:14] <anaskius> btw is your nick speeled correctly or dont i know what drak means..probably dont
[05:14] <Jucato> guys, chill!!
[05:14] <anaskius> spelled sorry
[05:14] <_gpg_> !info subversion
[05:14] <ubotu> subversion: advanced version control system (aka. svn). In component main, is optional. Version 1.3.1-3ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 3016 kB
[05:14] <drak-angel> duh i know that to
[05:14] <anaskius> im cool..just asker
[05:15] <anaskius> asked
[05:15] <drak-angel> right
[05:15] <fdoving> drak-angel, anaskius: please take this offtopic conversation to #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:15] <anaskius> aint no topic
[05:16] <anaskius> just kidding
[05:16] <fdoving> that's the point, it certainly has nothing to do with Kubuntu support.
[05:16] <kbrooks> anaskius: "kubuntu support channel"
[05:16] <anaskius> i know
[05:16] <kbrooks> chat != support
[05:16] <drak-angel> really
[05:16] <kbrooks> != = is not
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is not - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <anaskius> he or she doesnt
[05:16] <drak-angel> doesnt what
[05:17] <anaskius> just stop that now please..no need to continue
[05:18] <drak-angel>  alright i guess i could stop was going to leave any way tell u said some thing but me leaving any ways
[05:18] <ubuntu> ? mepis, kubuntu live cd works, ubuntu doesnt in pcs
[05:18] <drak-angel> i need some thing to talk bout so peace out
[05:18] <drak-angel> ttyl
[05:20] <waggle7622frack> Anyone good with networking\samba? My KDE system cant access network shares unless I use sudo smb4k.
[05:22] <__osh__> waggle7622frack: what does the samba-log say?
[05:22] <waggle7622frack> just a sec, lettme check
[05:23] <waggle7622frack> never had a problem in gnome
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> samba works great until you try to use it with windows - ironic.
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> it works great with windows for me..
[05:24] <cozomo> how would I allocate more CPU to a certain process
[05:24] <waggle7622frack> works from xp to kde but not kde to anything
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> the thing to rember is that theres different 'ways' to access the shares.. smb4k scans the network and then mounts the shares with smbmnt,  the kde/gnome de's sort of browse the shares and get the info on the flu.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> on the fly,  i mean.
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> waggle7622frack: how are you trying to access stuff from kde? using smb://machinename or ip/ ?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> waggle7622frack,  but you say it works with smb4k - so its working. :P
[05:25] <_gpg_> :info apache2
[05:25] <_gpg_> !info apache2
[05:25] <ubotu> apache2: next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.55-4ubuntu2.1 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:26] <waggle7622frack> but only sudo smb4k not any other way
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> waggle7622frack: you probably have to use sudo so it can call smbmount as root. You can also chmod +s smbmount. Which used to be standard practice to allow users to mount their own samba shares.
[05:27] <tw|sted> apaches package size is impressive ^^
[05:27] <mcmorrod> who wants o see my lesbian cock
[05:27] <mcmorrod> hands up ppl
[05:27] <newtothis> why can i use add/remove programs in ubuntu to update to spanish but in kubuntu no?
[05:27] <_gpg_> how to give to user the priviledge to use sudo ? (sudo adduser toto)
[05:27] <mcmorrod> n cocks too
[05:27] <Hawkwind> !ops
[05:27] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[05:28] <__osh__> mcmorrod: If she isn't a cook, don't bother.
[05:28] <waggle7622frack> wow, thats a new one to me i'll try that real quick
[05:28] <Hawkwind> mcmorrod: Please take that junk elsewhere
[05:28] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Ahhh, thanks
[05:28] <fdoving> :)
[05:28] <pavi> unable to install xine codecs
[05:28] <pavi> http://pastebin.ca/138919
[05:29] <fdoving> _gpg_: 'sudo adduser username admin'
[05:29] <fdoving> _gpg_: that will add the user 'username' to the group 'admin'.
[05:29] <_gpg_> ty
[05:29] <pavi> hello
[05:29] <pavi> anyone reply
[05:29] <D4rkly> hi has anyone got wine working with the -opengl switch ? i can get it to work without opengl but not with ??
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> waggle7622frack: That may actually be smbmnt you want to chmod, not smbmount.
[05:30] <newtothis> pavi: hello
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> waggle7622frack: yeah, man smbmnt says: A setuid smbmnt will only allow mounts on directories owned by the user, and that the user has write permission on.
[05:31] <pavi> ya
[05:31] <waggle7622frack> yeah I should of noticed that. thanks.
[05:32] <larson9999> D4rkly: is that a compile open?
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> waggle7622frack: using konqueror I normally get to my shares by entering an smb:// url in the location. ie. smb://192.168.51.3/  to get to my network printer/scanner
[05:32] <Hawkwind> pavi: sudo apt-get install libxine1-extracodecs
[05:33] <Ace123456> !pastebin
[05:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:33] <pavi>  Couldn't find package libxine1-extracodecs
[05:33] <Hawkwind> pavi: Do you have all the sources enabled like Multiverse and Universe ?
[05:33] <Hawkwind> !info libxine-extracodecs
[05:33] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[05:34] <pavi> check my dources.list file
[05:34] <pavi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21097
[05:35] <Hawkwind> pavi: You need to enable Multiverse
[05:35] <Hawkwind> !repos > pavi
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> pavi: on line 22,23 add the word multiverse after universe
[05:35] <tw|sted> Hawk: i think it is enabled ;)
[05:35] <Hawkwind> tw|sted: No it's not
[05:36] <tw|sted> ah, only for backports
[05:36] <tw|sted> sry
[05:36] <pavi> ok
[05:36] <pavi> doin so
[05:36] <pavi> done
[05:36] <pavi> but
[05:36] <pavi> same error
[05:36] <pavi> not able to install gaim
[05:36] <CVirus> msn is that ?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> pavi: no run 'sudo apt-get update' then try again.
[05:37] <tw|sted> pav: sudo apt-get update ?
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> pavi: you have to run apt-get update to get it to refetch the available package list now that you've enabled multiverse.
[05:37] <pavi> Y a          done  that
[05:37] <Jucato> er... I never knew uniq was fdoving....
[05:38] <pavi> check
[05:38] <pavi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21100
[05:39] <Hawkwind> pavi: It's just sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> pavi: yeah, drop the 1
[05:39] <tw|sted> remove the 1
[05:39] <tw|sted> i'm way too slow ;)
[05:39] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Heh.  I was trying to figure out how he responded so quick when the nick 'fdoving' wasn't on the ops list
[05:40] <pavi> dependencies
[05:40] <fdoving> Jucato: yeah.. trying to convert to fdoving now, as that's what i use on forums and everywhere..
[05:40] <pavi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21101
[05:40] <fdoving> Hawkwind: trying to edit the ops list now.. that's why i change nicks.
[05:41] <waggle7622frack> bummer, gotta try latter, thanks for the help.
[05:41] <D4rkly> if i want to put this in my xorg.conf Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" do i include the word 'option' ? and where do i put this line ?
[05:41] <Jucato> eheh
[05:42] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> !info libmad0
[05:42] <ubotu> libmad0: MPEG audio decoder library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.15.1b-2.1 (dapper), package size 75 kB, installed size 160 kB
[05:42] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Put it under the 'Screen' section
[05:42] <D4rkly> ok
[05:42] <D4rkly> so i include the word Option ?
[05:42] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: Yes.  Just like you see in your xorg.conf
[05:43] <pavi> ok
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> pavi: you have main turned off - uncomment line 4 from sources.list
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> pavi: then apt-get update again
[05:43] <pavi> ok
[05:43] <pavi> oh
[05:47] <waspius> Hawkwind: i installed fvwm but it wount load..i think i need to remove the fvwm-crystal that i had installed previously or something..
[05:47] <leolinux> oie
[05:48] <Hawkwind> What errors do you get when it tries to start ?
[05:48] <waspius> Hawkwind: know what i might be able to do?
[05:48] <waspius> Hawkwind: i dont get any...it goes to load and it stays stuck
[05:48] <leolinux> im brazilian
[05:48] <leolinux> im testing kubuntu
[05:49] <Hawkwind> waspius: Try removing the other stuff you installed previously then
[05:49] <waspius> Hawkwind: i tried apt-get remove fvwm-crystal but it cannot find it
[05:50] <Hawkwind> waspius: How did you install it ?
[05:50] <Hawkwind> waspius: I thought you said you downloaded it and compiled it
[05:50] <waspius> Hawkwind: yes
[05:51] <Kiongku> hey guys.. how to rename a folder by console?
[05:51] <waspius> Hawkwind: is there any way i can find it?
[05:51] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: mv /old/directory /new/directory
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  time to toy with skype
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[05:52] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[05:52] <Hawkwind> waspius: Delete all the files/directories it created
[05:52] <Hawkwind> waspius: Or, go into the directory the .tar file created, and do make uninstall
[05:53] <waspius> Hawkwind: you mean the file created after extract?
[05:53] <Hawkwind> waspius: Yes
[05:53] <Hawkwind> waspius: Try make uninstall or possibly sudo make uninstall
[05:53] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok i will try
[05:56] <CVirus> how can I make kmixer start on KDE launch ?
[05:56] <Jucato> CVirus: go to ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:57] <Jucato> right-click, Create New > Link to URL
[05:57] <Jucato> then in the "Enter link to location", put "/usr/bin/kmix" (without the quotes)
[05:58] <CVirus> Jucato: Thanks alot
[05:58] <Jucato> sure
[05:58] <zippy> hi
[05:58] <zippy> everyone
[05:58] <MitchM> Hello
[05:58] <Jucato> hi
[05:58] <zippy> nice to meet you
[05:59] <CVirus> !
[05:59] <CVirus> asl plz ?
[05:59] <CVirus> :-p
[05:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[05:59] <zippy> someone speak french please ? if it possible
[05:59] <Jucato> !fr
[05:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:59] <CVirus> !ar
[05:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:59] <zippy> ok merci beaucoup :)
[06:00] <Jucato> there might be some french people, here, though... ^_^
[06:00] <zippy> yes i think too
[06:00] <BluesKaj> added a new TV tuner card to my pc ...what's the cmd for kubuntu to recognize it so i can install the right drivers etc ?
[06:01] <BluesKaj> ATI TV Wonder Pro
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> well - i hate to tell ya some bad news... :P
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> but that tv tuner may not be very well supported.. if at all.
[06:04] <BluesKaj> ok ...it doesn't show up in the hardware list
[06:06] <BluesKaj> prolly run in wine but I think i'll just use it in windows ...just thought I'd ask
[06:06] <harry> kann mir wer sagen wie ich auf quakenet komme wr ein feiner zug
[06:06] <BluesKaj> !de
[06:06] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:07] <harry> thx
[06:07] <BluesKaj> np
[06:07] <jasondotgnu> When I get to install xgl on kubuntu, I got this:
[06:07] <jasondotgnu> Section "Extensions"
[06:07] <jasondotgnu>  Option "Composite" "Enable"
[06:07] <jasondotgnu>  EndSection
[06:08] <jasondotgnu> sorry, wrong paste
[06:08] <jasondotgnu> compiz-kde: Depends: compiz (= 0.0.2-4ubuntu2) but 0.0.13-0quinn32 is to be in
[06:08] <jasondotgnu> stalled
[06:08] <jasondotgnu> how can this dependency problem fixed?
[06:09] <CVirus> Kweather never works ?
[06:10] <Jucato> CVirus: what do you mean by "never works"?
[06:11] <CVirus> it never worked for me
[06:11] <CVirus> Jucato: neither with KDE installed on my desktop nor my laptop
[06:11] <CVirus> Jucato: it says Unkown station
[06:11] <CVirus> Uknown*
[06:11] <Jucato> CVirus: have you tried changing the station?
[06:11] <CVirus> Jucato: cant find any others
[06:12] <CVirus> Jucato: I tried with a state in the USA and still didnt want to work
[06:12] <Hawkwind> CVirus: Add a second station then check to see if the first one is working
[06:12] <Jucato> CVirus: that's strange, it always works for me. Although I had to manually add my country's airport code
[06:13] <CVirus> Jucato: where are its conf files ?
[06:13] <Jucato> CVirus: it should be in /usr/share/apps/kweatherstation or something like that
[06:13] <CVirus> will see
[06:14] <Jucato> but before you go adding things manually (it can be quite tedious), you might want to check if other stations are working
[06:14] <Jucato> I'm installing KWeather to verify
[06:17] <Jucato> CVirus: what station were you trying?
[06:19] <CVirus> Jucato: there are no stations in the list
[06:20] <CVirus> Jucato: I'm trying Cross City airport station
[06:20] <Jucato> CVirus: no stations when you right-click on KWeather > Configure KWeather > Weather Service options?
[06:21] <CVirus> Jucato: ahh
[06:21] <CVirus> i thought the other one
[06:21] <CVirus> Jucato: well .. I tried Cairo and didnt work
[06:21] <CVirus> Jucato: trying Cross City and didnt work oo
[06:21] <CVirus> tooU
[06:21] <CVirus> too*
[06:21] <Jucato> CVirus: let me try Cairo
[06:22] <CVirus> its under africa .. not middle east
[06:22] <Jucato> CVirus: of course, Cairo is in Egypt :-D
[06:22] <Jucato> Cairo works for me
[06:22] <CVirus> which is weird
[06:23] <Jucato> CVirus: try this:
[06:23] <CVirus> Jucato: Cairo is in africa and its part of the middle east
[06:23] <Jucato> Actually, Africa is a continent of its own
[06:23] <Jucato> "middle east" refers to the Asian countries.
[06:23] <CVirus> i meant cairo is part of the middle east
[06:23] <CVirus> ahh
[06:23] <Jucato> anyway...
[06:23] <willard> Hi guys, could someone help me with a slight problem?
[06:24] <willard> total newb here
[06:24] <Hawkwind> willard: Just ask your question
[06:24] <Jucato> CVirus: pick Cairo, then click on Add.
[06:24] <CVirus> Jucato: okay ?
[06:24] <Jucato> CVirus: then click on Update All, and wait for the question mark to disappear
[06:24] <willard> I'm dual booting xp and ubutu and set up a fat32 partition, but it won't mount as uhbutu boots up
[06:25] <willard> I tried to set it to mount to /share
[06:25] <CVirus> Jucato: as soon as I clicked it disappeared
[06:25] <D4rkly> sudo -t vfat /dev/<drive> /mnt
[06:25] <Jucato> CVirus: ok, now click on OK to close the window, and right-click again on KWeather and choose COnfigure KWeather
[06:25] <D4rkly> lol
[06:25] <willard> will that make it permanent?
[06:25] <D4rkly> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/<drive> /mnt
[06:25] <Hawkwind> Ummmm
[06:26] <willard> sorry, total newb here - installed last night
[06:26] <Jucato> doesn't Ubuntu use /media, not /mnt, by default?
[06:26] <Hawkwind> willard: Not unless you add it to your /etc/fstab
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It has both
[06:26] <Hawkwind> Jucato: But when manually mounting something, you can mount wherever you want
[06:26] <willard> yes, it works that way
[06:26] <D4rkly> yeah you can use media
[06:26] <CVirus> Jucato: now ?
[06:26] <D4rkly> create a dir in there first
[06:26] <Jucato> Hawkwind: yeah, I just noticed that the default is /media
[06:27] <Jucato> CVirus: then in the Display options (the one on top of Weather Service), you can choose Cairo Airport from the drop-down list
[06:27] <willard> can someone walk me through editing /etc/fstab?
[06:27] <Hawkwind> willard: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdx /mnt/windows   Replace 'hdx' with the actual device number
[06:27] <Jucato> CVirus: Location: <drop-down list>
[06:27] <Jucato> CVirus: then click on Apply, then OK. KWeather will be working
[06:27] <Hawkwind> willard: Worry about getting it mounted first, then you can do your fstab
[06:27] <willard> it is mounted at the moment
[06:28] <D4rkly> you need -t vfat for fat32
[06:28] <CVirus> Jucato: I choose cairo airport but when i click ok and open that window again ... it goes back to cross blah airport
[06:28] <CVirus> Jucato: cross cit
[06:28] <CVirus> city*
[06:28] <Jucato> CVirus: did you click on Apply before clicking on OK?
[06:28] <Hawkwind> willard: Is this a windows drive you will be booting to or just have files on ?
[06:28] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: No you don't
[06:28] <willard> it just has some files - music & docs
[06:29] <willard> parted says its partition 4
[06:29] <CVirus> Jucato: lemme try that
[06:29] <Hawkwind> D4rkly: That's for things like usb sticks and such.  -t auto is for actual partitions on a harddrive
[06:29] <CVirus> Jucato: I clicked ok without apply .. let me try
[06:29] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: do u know how often the repos of ubuntu get refreshed?
[06:29] <Hawkwind> willard: Type: mount   and paste the results to pastebin.ca
[06:29] <_gpg_> hi again :)
[06:29] <willard> in the console? ok
[06:29] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Can be several times per day I'm sure
[06:29] <Hawkwind> willard: Yes
[06:30] <_gpg_> i cant run adept installer (it freezes the last run) and i'm having this popup (i rebooted my pc) :
[06:30] <Hawkwind> willard: Then visit http://pastebin.ca and paste the info there and give us the resulting URL
[06:30] <willard> ok
[06:30] <CVirus> Jucato: cross city airport doesnt want to leave the menu .. and cairo airport disappeared
[06:30] <Jucato> Kiongku: the ubuntu servers or our local apt cache?
[06:30] <_gpg_> Annother process is using the packaging system database, please close other appliation before using this one !!
[06:30] <willard> ok
[06:31] <Jucato> CVirus: did you click on Update All after you Added Cairo?
[06:31] <CVirus> yes
[06:31] <Kiongku> Jucato: the servers.. bcoz i wanted a better version of amarok
[06:31] <Jucato> oh
[06:31] <CVirus> Jucato: cairo airport appeared now again :D
[06:31] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: What version do you have currently ?
[06:31] <Jucato> Kiongku: what version are you using now?
[06:31] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: none.. compiling 1.4.2beta1 right now
[06:32] <Jucato> oh
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Why ?  What do you need 1.4.2 for ?
[06:32] <Jucato> I guess 1.4.2 is still beta = unstable
[06:32] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: i want to see if collection recognises wma.. by any chance
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: Wouldn't it say in the changelog if it supports wma yet ?
[06:32] <willard> "/dev/sda4 on /shared type vfat (rw)" is the one I would like to have mounted this way at boot
[06:32] <Kiongku> Jucato: well its not like the kernel :P bad = kicked out
[06:33] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: my bad XD.. i think ur right
[06:33] <Jucato> Kiongku: now, but beta = unstalbe = could crash your system :-D
[06:33] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: it was an experience though.. i went high and low to look for the devel packages
[06:33] <Kiongku> Jucato: bah.. i became so used to rebuild the system.. can come back online in less than 2 hrs XD
[06:34] <Jucato> lol
[06:34] <willard> http://pastebin.ca/139017
[06:34] <Jucato> I get tired of doing that after a while, specially since I have customized a lot on my system
[06:34] <Jucato> CVirus: is it working now?
[06:34] <dr_willis> heck - i got issues with some parts of dapper still. :)
[06:34] <CVirus> Jucato: not yet
[06:34] <Kiongku> Jucato: lol.. i'm on the saem road as u.. well at least u will know if its safe or not :p
[06:34] <Jucato> haha!
[06:35] <Jucato> but I don't compile stuff (yet)
[06:35] <faked_> how do I install a .tar.bz2 file?
[06:35] <faked_> I know it's an archive or something but everything i DL that needs to be installed comes in a .tar.bz2 and I dunno how to install anything
[06:35] <Hawkwind> willard: To add an NTFS Windows partition to your /etc/fstab file it *should* look like this:  /dev/sda4 /media/windows  vfat nls=utf8,ro,user,umask=000 0       0
[06:36] <Hawkwind> willard: Try using something like that in your fstab for your drive and see if it will mount on boot or not
[06:36] <willard> this partition is fat32
[06:36] <Jucato> CVirus: I'm stumped...
[06:37] <willard> sda4 is the one I want
[06:37] <Hawkwind> willard: I know.  Hence the line says vfat
[06:37] <willard> ahh, ok, LOL
[06:37] <Hawkwind> willard: I put NTFS in the beginning by accident
[06:37] <Kiongku> hey guys.. whats libfam.la ?
[06:37] <faked_> how do I install a .tar.bz2 file?
[06:37] <dr_willis> !info libfam
[06:37] <ubotu> Package libfam does not exist in dapper
[06:37] <dr_willis> !info libfam-dev
[06:37] <ubotu> libfam-dev: client library to control the FAM daemon - development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.0-8ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 36 kB, installed size 148 kB
[06:37] <jpatrick> !compiling
[06:37] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:37] <willard> ok - how do I edit this file now?
[06:38] <jpatrick> ^fak
[06:38] <jpatrick> faked_: ^
[06:38] <Jucato> whoa! jpatrick jumped to life :-D
[06:38] <dr_willis> http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[06:38] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: if i try to install libfam.. it wants to remove adep,etc :S
[06:38] <dr_willis> for all your ntfs needs - bookmark that page
[06:38] <jpatrick> Jucato: \o/
[06:38] <Jucato> lol I'm still here!
[06:39] <root__> hello
[06:39] <Hawkwind> willard: kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab
[06:39] <phreakys> hi
[06:39] <Hawkwind> willard: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor of choice
[06:39] <dr_willis> wowsers. :P
[06:39] <phreakys> managed to fix the monitor problem by following the ati instructions on the kubuntu guid
[06:39] <phreakys> e
[06:40] <phreakys> would like to have wireless on my laptop now, using wireless assistant. it connects fine, but i cant ping the computer neither visit any website
[06:41] <dr_willis> cant ping internet sites like www.google.com --> dns server set wrong .. cant ping them by IP --> gateway is set wrong
[06:41] <dr_willis> cant ping machines on the local lan --> network card not set up right. perhaps.
[06:41] <phreakys> yea, probably. it did detect the right type on setup allready though
[06:42] <D4rkly> dr try ifconfig
[06:42] <dr_willis> ive also seen wireless cards show they were connected.. but not actually conneted. :P
[06:42] <phreakys> hm
[06:42] <faked_> I read the page on compiling but I don't understand it
[06:43] <willard> hmm, will not let me save changes to /etc/fstab
[06:44] <dr_willis> faked_,  theres dozens of articals/examples/docs.. it also depends on what you are compiling.. in short.. untar/gz the archive, cd to it.. ./configure, make, make install
[06:44] <D4rkly> willard you need to open it using sudo kate /etc/fstab
[06:44] <willard> ahh, ok
[06:45] <faked_> but when I run "make install"
[06:45] <D4rkly> make sure to press enter after the last line so there is a 1 blank line under the last line
[06:45] <faked_> it returns "make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop."
[06:45] <D4rkly> otherwise fstab wont execute
[06:45] <willard> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:45] <dr_willis> faked_,  sounbds like ya need to read the isntall docs for the program then.   - does 'make' work?
[06:46] <faked_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[06:46] <willard> sudo kate /etc/fstab  does not work
[06:46] <ninHer_> hi all
[06:46] <willard> kate is ?
[06:46] <D4rkly> oh i use kate
[06:46] <Jucato> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[06:46] <Jucato> !kdesu
[06:46] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:47] <Hawkwind> willard: I did mention kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab and *not* sudo kwrite /etc/fstab for a reason
[06:48] <willard> command not found
[06:49] <dr_willis> pick some OTHER editor then willard
[06:49] <faked_> Goddammit i come here for help and you refer me to the docs don't help so I come back here, and I'm ignored.
[06:49] <Jucato> kate...
[06:49] <willard> gedit?
[06:49] <willard> kdesu gedit /etc/fstab
[06:49] <willard> ?
[06:50] <Jucato> gedit doesn't exist in KDE
[06:50] <dr_willis> faked_,  be clear, and concise. and patient.
[06:50] <faked_> I'm being as clear as I can
[06:50] <dr_willis> its highly possoble you are doing somthing trivialy wrong.. now Exactly WHAT are you trying to compile.
[06:50] <faked_> I told you my problem. I don't know how to install it. The docs don't help.
[06:50] <willard> I'm on gnome I think
[06:50] <faked_> It's a bittorrent client, Ctorrent.
[06:51] <Jucato> willard: oh. the "gksu gedit /etc/fstab" then
[06:51] <coachj> I have an intresting puzzle, I use two superkaramba widgets which I want to start at login so I config session mgr to save the last session. At login the Kmixer window appears on the desktop, even thou it is not running at session end
[06:51] <coachj> This doesn't happen if I dont have superkaramba running the widgets.
[06:51] <draik> faked_, open up your konsole and type 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[06:51] <willard> that worked - thanks
[06:51] <dr_willis> faked_,  so you downloaded and did a   tar xzvf ctorrent-source-file.tar.gz
[06:52] <faked_> I did a tar jxvf ctorrent-1.3.4.tar.bz2
[06:52] <faked_> then I did ./configure
[06:52] <willard> ok - gonna reboot
[06:52] <faked_> exactly like the docs told me to
[06:52] <dr_willis> faked_,  cd INTO the directory where the source is at.
[06:52] <faked_> I'm in it as we speak.
[06:53] <dr_willis> so whats in there? see a makefile? see a configure file?
[06:53] <faked_> there's a configure file.
[06:53] <faked_> and makefile.am, and makefile.in
[06:53] <dr_willis> normally ./configure scans a lot of things, then makes some files, then you use 'make'
[06:54] <faked_> it did scan lots of things
[06:54] <faked_> but make doesn't do anything.
[06:54] <faked_> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[06:54] <dr_willis> let me boot up ubuntu and see. :)
[06:59] <Daillew> hi, anyone here ever use chatzilla?
[07:00] <Daillew> when i connect  i get the message ,[ERROR] 	You need to be an operator in #kubuntu to do that. any idea why?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> ./configure and make works for me.. I am guessing your ./configure is failing due to some libs being needed - and thus not making the right makefiles.
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> i forget who i was even talking to earlier.
[07:01] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it was faked_
[07:02] <wallace> Hi Does someone speak frenche ?
[07:02] <abattoir> !fr
[07:02] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:02] <waspius_> i installed fvwm but it does not load..anyone know why?
[07:02] <abattoir> wallace: you can find people there^^^ :)
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> well i got to go mow the yard.. bbl
[07:02] <vanne> can anyone point me to a default sources.list file from 6.06(.1) ?
[07:03] <wallace> thanx
[07:03] <vanne> updating from ubuntu 5.x to kubuntu 6.06
[07:03] <abattoir> vanne source-o-matic is a tool which helps regenerate your sources.list file
[07:03] <abattoir> !source-o-matic
[07:03] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:03] <Daveyboy> despite using kdm and kde, my vncserver conenction uses a gnome desktop, can anybody help to configure to kde?
[07:03] <Daveyboy> despite using kdm and kde, my vncserver conenction uses a gnome desktop, can anybody help to configure to kde?
[07:04] <vanne> merci abattoir
[07:04] <abattoir> vanne: hehe, dont let the name mislead you :P
[07:04] <vanne> :)
[07:05] <Daveyboy> anybody?
[07:06] <Daveyboy> if installing ubuntu then doing an apt-get instal kubuntu-desktop, i sit a "true" kubuntu box?
[07:06] <Admiral_Chicago> Daveyboy, yes
[07:07] <apallo19> why not just install kde?
[07:07] <Daveyboy> so why is vncserver defaulting to gnome
[07:07] <abattoir> Daveyboy: you'd still have gnome installed
[07:07] <Daveyboy> how do i remove gnome?
[07:08] <apallo19> apt-get remove gnome
[07:08] <abattoir> Daveyboy: i guess you'd need to remove 'ubuntu-desktop'
[07:08] <D4rkly> is there a site where i can search for amarok compatable radio stations ?
[07:09] <abattoir> D4rkly: shoutcast.com ??
[07:10] <phreakys_> i have no clue how to get this wireless thing working :/
[07:10] <cilkay> Hello. I have the 6.06 live CD in my ThinkPad. I want to see if it supports the ThinkPad function controls, specifically switching between the LCD panel and the external VGA output for connecting to a projector. Does the default Live CD support that?
[07:10] <abattoir> D4rkly: amarok supports any mp3 station... actually any station for which you have the appropriate codec installed
[07:10] <willard> didn't work guys - I'll do some more reading about mount points I guess
[07:10] <Daillew> D4rkly: try here http://dir.xiph.org/index.php
[07:10] <abattoir> phreakys_: which card(chipset)?
[07:10] <willard> I can access the drive - just won't mount at boot
[07:10] <pihl> I'm trying to get mp3's working in audioplayers like amarok etc, and in the RestrictedFormats wiki on the ubuntu site it tells me to install libxine-extracodecs, but surely, it doesn't exist. (all repositories enabled, of course).
[07:10] <Daveyboy> do i need to reboot after removing gnome?
[07:10] <Daveyboy> ubuntu-desktop
[07:10] <abattoir> cilkay: not sure... you might need to choose the keyboard layout...
[07:11] <pihl> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[07:11] <abattoir> cilkay: kcontrol(or systemsettings)->Regional and Acc.->Keyboard Layout->Keyboard model
[07:12] <Dodger> hia ll
[07:12] <Dodger> hi all even
[07:12] <abattoir> pihl: my guess is you havent enabled the repos properly
[07:12] <phreakys_> its an intell pro wireless 2200 bg
[07:12] <phreakys_> i setup ssid and wep key, but its not working
[07:12] <abattoir> pihl: check if the distribution in the appropriate line(where you added universe/multiverse) is dapper, instead of dapper-backports
[07:12] <pablo7> waspius_ Still want to know about fvwm?
[07:12] <Daillew> pihl try automatix http://getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[07:12] <apallo19> ooo, using an ibm lappy eh?
[07:12] <phreakys_> wireless assistant detects the network, and says it connects
[07:13] <OOD> !grub
[07:13] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:13] <pihl> okey, I installed that yesterday, guess I missed the audio codecs part ;)
[07:13] <abattoir> phreakys_: try 'sudo ifup ethX' where ethX is the name of your interface
[07:13] <cilkay> abattoir: thanks. I'm running Kubuntu on this machine, which is not the laptop. The laptop only has the Live CD, which has Gnome. I tried starting /usr/bin/systemsettings from a shell on the laptop but nothing. Most be some Gnome equivalent.
[07:13] <waspius_> pablo7: yes please
[07:13] <phreakys_> will do. tnx abattoir
[07:13] <abattoir> cilkay: i'm not aware of the gnome equivalent :(. but you could ask at #ubuntu
[07:14] <phreakys_> "interface eth0 already configured"
[07:14] <phreakys_> eth0 is my wireless connection
[07:14] <phreakys_> ifconfig
[07:14] <pablo7> waspius_ Do you have a command line?
[07:14] <apallo19> !find smbfs
[07:14] <ubotu> Found: smbfs
[07:14] <phreakys_> oops, wrong box :)
[07:14] <apallo19> oops, wrong channel
[07:14] <cilkay> abattoir: silly me. I thought I was in #ubuntu. Konversation automatically joined this channel. Thanks for the help.
[07:14] <abattoir> phreakys_: do you see your network card in 'iwconfig' of 'ifconfig' ?
[07:15] <abattoir> cilkay: after all konversation is a KDE app :P
[07:15] <waspius_> pablo7: u mean konsole?yes
[07:16] <cilkay> abattoir: you don't have to convince me on the merits of KDE over Gnome. I've been using KDE for years. I'm a fish out of water on the Live CD though since it's Gnome.
[07:16] <tk> !restricted
[07:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:16] <pablo7> waspius_ Okay type "whereis fvwm" at the prompt.
[07:16] <phreakys_> sort of
[07:16] <abattoir> cilkay: hehe, i never try to convince anyone about the merits of KDE over GNOME, its your choice.. :)
[07:16] <Dodger> i've got trouble with my proxy settings in dapper... kdesu doesn't seem to find either the ones i've setup in the control panel or the http_proxy environment variable - i've got to sudo adept to make it able to connect, starting it through KDE will make it error out on download
[07:16] <phreakys_> eth0 had ieee 802.11g
[07:17] <apallo19> !find samba packages
[07:17] <ubotu> Found: dpsyco-samba, python2.4-samba, samba, samba-common, samba-dbg (and 3 others)
[07:17] <waspius_> pablo7: /usr/bin/fvwm /usr/lib/fvwm /usr/bin/X11/fvwm /usr/share/fvwm /usr/share/man/man1/fvwm.1.gz
[07:18] <ep> Should I ask this here? How do you create a symbolic link to file using konqueror?  right click menu gives Create new | Link to application... device...  location...  No menu option seems to work.
[07:19] <abattoir> ep: link to location?
[07:20] <pihl> Daillew, thanks, worked excellent with automatix :)
[07:20] <Daillew> welcome mate
[07:20] <Daveyboy> anyone know where i can set kde as my window manager in a vncserver connection?
[07:21] <ep> link to location (URL) seems to create a  *.desktop file
[07:21] <pablo7> waspius_ The "/usr/bin/fvwm" part is the path you'll need to test it out.  Now, type Ctrl-Alt-F1 and get a virtual terminal.
[07:22] <Joseph> Hello all. Anyone experience any problems installing Kubuntu from cd boot where the SBM disk won't identify the drive properly? When I try to boot from the CD using SBM i get a Disk Error: 0x0C
[07:22] <abattoir> ep: then i have no idea... sorry
[07:22] <waspius_> pablo7: ok done
[07:22] <abattoir> ep: you could probably download a service menu extension from kde-apps.org, if the feature isnt already present in konq.
[07:23] <ep> I'll continue my google search then
[07:23] <ninHer_> hi all
[07:24] <Phreakys> test
[07:24] <Joseph> Hello all. Anyone experience any problems installing Kubuntu from cd boot where the SBM disk won't identify the drive properly? When I try to boot from the CD using SBM i get a Disk Error: 0x0C Since it is a DVD-Rom drive I wonder if this may be a conflict, the sbm is detecting it as a Cd-Rom drive
[07:24] <Phreakys> how do i change my userpw from root user?
[07:24] <Phreakys> (forgot it)
[07:25] <matrix> hi is there any reason why amarok doesn't play mp3s? engine is set to xine output alsa. flacs are played fine. inet radio to. just mp3 doesnt work
[07:25] <pablo7> waspius_ Alright, if you don't have another user setup, you can do this with sudo.  Login, type sudo -i, & type your password again.
[07:26] <Admiral_Chicago> matrix, libraries?
[07:27] <matrix> Admiral_Chicago: libxine-extracodecs is installed. i restarted amarok after installing it
[07:27] <Hawkwind> Phreakys: passwd <user>
[07:27] <Admiral_Chicago> no idea, perhaps the other libraries?
[07:27] <Phreakys> tnx
[07:27] <matrix> Admiral_Chicago: which else do i need?
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> !mp3
[07:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:28] <matrix> i will look there thx
[07:28] <mattis1> apt-get install gobby and join the ting in half an hour http://is-root.de/w/index.php/tingWiki/ting73
[07:28] <mattis1> jam session kinda
[07:29] <mattis1> five participants five cursors, everybody writes everywhere
[07:29] <pussfeller> whats up with youtube in firefox and no dound
[07:29] <pussfeller> no sound
[07:29] <pussfeller> i added that dsp thing to the firefoxrc
[07:29] <pussfeller> aoss
[07:30] <pussfeller> FIREFOX_DSP=aoss
[07:32] <Kiongku> Jucato: yo jucato u here?
[07:32] <waspius_> pablo7:confused
[07:32] <Jucato> Kiongku: just got back
[07:32] <Kiongku> Jucato: do u have wma files?
[07:32] <Jucato> I think I do, let me check
[07:33] <Jucato> Kiongku: I guess not...
[07:34] <pablo7> waspius_  Did you login at the virtual console?  Once you do, type "startx /usr/bin/fvwm -- :1" and let me know how it goes.
[07:34] <Jucato> I thought I did....
[07:34] <Kiongku> Jucato: how did u check?
[07:35] <willard> got it to work guys - thanks!
[07:35] <Jucato> Kiongku: locate:/*.wma
[07:35] <Jucato> Kiongku: still looking
[07:35] <Kiongku> Jucato: ah lol ok
[07:35] <waspius_> pablo7: login as root?
[07:35] <Jucato> Kiongku: I kept one after all. I guess locate:/ doesn't look hard enough :-D
[07:36] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe.. do u own the default amarok?
[07:36] <Jucato> trying to see if AMarok will detect it
[07:36] <Kiongku> Jucato: yah :p
[07:36] <Jucato> yep it did
[07:36] <Jucato> :-D
[07:36] <Jucato> Amarok 1.4.1
[07:37] <Kiongku> cool its a custom one?
[07:37] <Jucato> no
[07:37] <pablo7> waspius_  Not if you don't want to.  Just type your username at the prompt.  Next enter your password.
[07:37] <Kiongku> Default?
[07:37] <Daveyboy> does ubuntu and kubuntu use the same repo's?
[07:37] <Jucato> special release from Kubuntu
[07:37] <Jucato> something like KDE 3.5.4
[07:37] <Jucato> Daveyboy: yes, except for new releases of KDE, KOffice, and Amarok
[07:38] <Jucato> Kiongku: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[07:38] <Kiongku> Jucato: doh.. well i think bcoz i changed repos
[07:38] <Kiongku> Jucato: cant find it in repos
[07:38] <Jucato> Kiongku: a word of warning though, FLAC doesn't work in Amarok 1.4.1
[07:38] <Kiongku> Jucato: FLAC files?
[07:38] <Jucato> Kiongku: yeh.
[07:38] <Kiongku> Jucato: got 1.4.2
[07:39] <Kiongku> Jucato: and i think no FLAC files to test out  ( '')
[07:39] <Jucato> Kiongku: there are three things that are released separately in Kubuntu: KDE, KOffice, and Amarok
[07:39] <Kiongku> Jucato: i see
[07:39] <Jucato> Kiongku: it's ok. but does Amarok 1.4.2 detect WMA?
[07:39] <Jucato> I mean, does it include WMA's in the collection?
[07:39] <waspius_> pablo7: fatal error server already running
[07:39] <Kiongku> Jucato: yah.. it shows up in collection
[07:40] <Jucato> and that didn't happen in Amarok 1.3.9? (default Kubuntu install)
[07:40] <pussfeller> the prob with flac isnt amarok, its xine
[07:40] <Kiongku> Jucato: yap
[07:40] <Jucato> well, yeah
[07:40] <Jucato> the combination of Amarok and xine...
[07:41] <Jucato> i mean, Amarok 1.4.1 and the current xine version
[07:41] <pussfeller> i have the latest xinelib and use an svn amarok, and its still messed up
[07:41] <pussfeller> so it must be old xinelibs floating around I GUESS
[07:41] <Kiongku> Jucato: now it remains only the scripting part for me to try learn  ._.
[07:41] <pussfeller> so how to fix sound in youtube/flash
[07:41] <pussfeller> annoying me to no end
[07:41] <Jucato> pussfeller: some have patched/compiled the new xine and was able to make FLAC play in Amarok
[07:41] <janne> f
[07:42] <pussfeller> the latest xinelib is supposed to fix the flac issues
[07:42] <Kiongku> Whats FLAC anyway.. can someone send me a link to one?
[07:42] <pussfeller> flac is a free lossless codec
[07:42] <tk> FLAC is Free Lossless Audio Codec
[07:42] <tk> google it
[07:42] <Kiongku> hmm i think i'll search the net for one file to test out
[07:42] <pussfeller> ie, it sounds great and its opensource, larger file size than mp3s ussually
[07:43] <pussfeller> i think its the same as an ogg, but not
[07:43] <pussfeller> heh
[07:43] <Jucato> pussfeller: ogg vorbis is not lossless
[07:43] <Kiongku> Can someone send me a small flac file for me to test my amarok?
[07:43] <tk> there you go Kiongku
[07:43] <Jucato> and OGG covers ogg vorbis, ogg theora, etc...
[07:43] <pablo7> waspius_  It could either be root permissions or that the display is already in use.  Type "sudo -i" and login as root.  Next type "/usr/bin/fvwm -- :2" because chances are that display is free.
[07:43] <tk> its not small but  its all I got :P
[07:44] <tk> well a meg or 2
[07:44] <Kiongku> oh O_o
[07:44] <tk> or 24....
[07:44] <Kiongku> timed out lol
[07:44] <Kiongku> h,,
[07:44] <Kiongku> hmm
[07:44] <Kiongku> i have a rather large dl behind may be its the reason.. dl 2006 live cd for gentoo
[07:45] <tk> heh
[07:45] <tk> let me see if another song is smller
[07:45] <pablo7> waspius_  Sorry it's "startx /usr/bin/fvwm -- :2" that you should type.
[07:46] <Kiongku> tk: i gofire on.. is it bcoz of that?
[07:46] <Kiongku> *got firewall
[07:46] <tk> Kiongku: could be....
[07:46] <Kiongku> strange.. dcc from others bot works
[07:46] <Kiongku> wait i test out
[07:46] <Kiongku> from a bot
[07:47] <tk> k
[07:47] <tk> oh wait. let me reset my eth0
[07:47] <tk> forgot, new install, my ip is DHCP instead of wht it should be
[07:50] <Kiongku> tk: lol
[07:50] <Kiongku> tk: i getting dcc alright with bot
[07:50] <Kiongku> tk: its really ur side then?
[07:51] <pussfeller> dcc send Kiongku /media/sda1/music/Audio_Books/Bibles/NASB - flac/001_Matthew/NASB - 05 - Matthew Chapter 05.flac"
[07:52] <pussfeller> errr
[07:52] <nalioth> pussfeller: be careful with that, please
[07:52] <pussfeller> irssi dont like spaces in file names
[07:52] <Kiongku> yay thx guys ^^ tk dcc is working alright
[07:52] <Kiongku> thx pussfeller
[07:52] <tk> Kiongku: yah it helps when you have the right IP in your eth0 configs ;)
[07:52] <tk> (by you I mean me :P)
[07:53] <Kiongku> tk: hehe i use pp0
[07:53] <Kiongku> *ppp0
[07:53] <tk> ppp0 as in dialup?
[07:53] <Kiongku> tk: nah as in sucking usb adsl modem that took me 1 week before knowing how to get kubuntu online
[07:54] <pussfeller> ach
[07:54] <waspius> pablo7: sorry my mistake..it opens but i think it needs configuration
[07:54] <pussfeller> an acaltel sppedboard or wahtever?
[07:54] <Kiongku> now that made me want to stick to kubuntu for a while.. i'll let my friend try out gentoo XD
[07:54] <Kiongku> sagem fast 800
[07:54] <pussfeller> its best just to make them give you one that plugs into the lan card
[07:55] <pussfeller> if they will
[07:55] <tk> Kiongku: ahhh hehe that sucks :P
[07:55] <Kiongku> pussfeller: not here.. my isp sucks
[07:55] <Kiongku> tk: it took me 1 week to realise i could get build-essential from the cd.. without that tip i would be stuck forever
[07:55] <tk> Kiongku: most of those modems have both ports.... you can plug in if you have the cable :P
[07:55] <Frederick> folks isn't kvim avaliable in the repos?
[07:55] <Kiongku> tk: mine is a sucky modem =))
[07:55] <tk> ohhh build essentials, I need to dl that again :P
[07:56] <Kiongku> tk: lol
[07:56] <tk> just reinstalled to 64bit again...
[07:56] <tk> hoping I can get flash working this time
[07:56] <pussfeller> I have found that local telephone companies that are independent have the best service, so far
[07:56] <pablo7> waspius_  Okay so X is started and you're running fvwm. It's been awhile since I've run it, but I remember that it is one of the most configurable window managers out there.
[07:57] <pussfeller> in terms of speed and whatnot
[07:57] <abattoir> !info kvim
[07:57] <ubotu> Package kvim does not exist in dapper
[07:57] <Kiongku> 1297 packages installed..
[07:57] <tk> pussfeller: not mine back home... they want 65/month for DSL......
[07:57] <abattoir> Frederick: ^^^ apparently not...
[07:57] <tk> and they dont even know what they are doing half the time
[07:57] <Frederick> nor gvim?
[07:57] <Hawkwind> !info gvim
[07:57] <ubotu> Package gvim does not exist in dapper
[07:57] <Hawkwind> !info gvim edgy
[07:57] <ubotu> Package gvim does not exist in edgy
[07:57] <Kiongku> mine is national isp provider
[07:57] <Frederick> =/
[07:57] <Kiongku> so damn small country..
[07:57] <pussfeller> im payin 83 for local phone and dsl, which is high, but OTOH they have great news server and i get like 1000KB+ dls
[07:58] <abattoir> hello Hawkwind :)
[07:58] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Hey there.  How are ya ?
[07:58] <tk> hmm interesting, even with the latest amarok...... mp3s dont want to play
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i pay that much for DSL + phone
[07:58] <abattoir> Hawkwind: fine... :) you?
[07:58] <Jucato> tk: huh?
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i get about 3 to 6.0 mb/s
[07:58] <Kiongku> tk: u forgot to install the xine_extracodecs
[07:58] <abattoir> tk: latest meaning?
[07:58] <pussfeller> tk, it might be better just to use the amarok-svn script
[07:58] <tk> abattoir: latest, from the amarok repo
[07:59] <Jucato> even the latest amarok, without libxine-extracodecs, won't play MP3's
[07:59] <pussfeller> instead of a package, they add stuff all the time
[07:59] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Doing well.  Just relaxing, watching a bit of tv
[07:59] <abattoir> tk: 1.4.1 ?
[07:59] <Kiongku> tk: u forgot the xine codecs
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, not true
[07:59] <abattoir> Hawkwind: aah... me too ;)
[07:59] <tk> i think i forgot the extracodecs :P
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm playing an mp3 atm
[07:59] <pablo7> waspius_  You probably will need to do a bit of mouse clicking and menu selecting to figure it out, but let me know if you have any questions.
[07:59] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: without libxine-extracodecs?
[07:59] <Kiongku> Admiral_Chicago: well mine play too.. but i got the extracodecs too :p
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> oh no i got it
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> i thought you meant play mp3s at all
 even the latest amarok, without libxine-extracodecs, won't play MP3's <--- here's what I said
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> ah well I don't read well
[08:00] <Jucato> maybe I should rephrase that to: any Amarok version, even the latest, will not play MP3's, without libxine-extracodecs
[08:00] <Kiongku> Admiral_Chicago: hehe
[08:00] <Kiongku> Jucato: enough.. :D
[08:01] <tk> Kiongku: good call, I always forget something :P
[08:01] <Kiongku> tk: heh
[08:01] <tk> now if only I can find a working repo for fuse/ntfs-3g... ill be happy
[08:01] <Kiongku> tk: the only things i forget are the devs files.. and then i just bump into errors XD
[08:02] <tk> !ntfs-3g
[08:02] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Dapper installation instructions http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[08:02] <tk> maybe that link has one that works
[08:02] <Kiongku> tk: lol.. i rather stay on safe side.. ntfs-3g still better.. and that one can surely corrupt the hdd
[08:02] <tk> Kiongku: ntfs-3g is what I use... I just dont want to install by hand if theres a deb :P
[08:03] <pussfeller> so there is no solution to the flash/sound problems?
[08:03] <Kiongku> tk: lol.. well.. i have some nice stuff i wanna keep in my ntfs .. i'll leave it for my windows to play with :)
[08:03] <Jucato> #ubuntu-classroom Classes are about to start :-D
[08:03] <tk> Kiongku: I've xfered over a gig of data and no failures or corruptions using ntfs-3g
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> pussfeller, ask adobe
[08:03] <Kiongku> tk: nice
[08:04] <abattoir> !classroom
[08:04] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> they won't release a new verison for linux
[08:04] <Hawkwind> Jucato: What's the topic today ?
[08:04] <Kiongku> Oh well.. time to hit the compilers again.. xine not reading the flacs
[08:04] <Jucato> Hawkwind: CLI
[08:04] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> when is the class
[08:05] <Jucato> now
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: In about 5 minutes
[08:05] <tk> Kiongku: use this...
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Or now
[08:05] <Jucato> starting
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Heh
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu-classroom?
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Yes
[08:05] <Kiongku> tk: ?
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> topic?
[08:05] <Jucato> yep
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> CLI?
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> wtf is that
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Hence what the bot stated above
[08:05] <tk>  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[08:05] <Jucato> Command Line basics
[08:05] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Command Line Interface
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Ah okay, cool
[08:05] <tk> Kiongku: thats a repo with the latest amarok... the flac bug is fixed in it ;)
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> I need to brush up on the command line anyways
[08:06] <Kiongku> tk: doh i just installed 1.4.2 :( after going through hell to compile it
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know when Gaim is going to come out of Beta
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm on 2.0 beta 3 but I want the latest stable
[08:06] <tk> well that repo says its 1.4.0... but it plays flc
[08:06] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: After the first of the year
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, no way!
[08:07] <tk> my amarok reports 1.4.0 rather
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> that is so long from now
[08:07] <Toran> hey guys, is there a way to get icons on my desktop with no text beneath them?
[08:07] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: 2.0 beta 3 is very stable.  I've been using it for a long time now without any issues
[08:07] <Admiral_Chicago> yea but there are a few GUI issues that need fixes
[08:07] <pussfeller> what about voice and video
[08:07] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Such as ?
[08:08] <Admiral_Chicago> in the away message, the big space before you can see your options
[08:08] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Ummm, use the scroll down option and that space goes away
[08:08] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Having that space does *not* make the app unstable
[08:08] <abattoir> Toran: try blanking the title...
[08:09] <Toran> It gets mad at you about filename
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> Hawkwind, no i didn't say it was unstable
[08:09] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Well, you said you wanted the latest stable.  Beta 3 happens to be very stable
[08:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i just wanted to know when 2.0 came out, i should have left out the stable part i suppose
[08:09] <Hawkwind> Heh
[08:10] <Hawkwind> Admiral_Chicago: Yeah 2.0 final isn't due out til after the first of the year according to Sean
[08:10] <Admiral_Chicago> dang, oh well, Its still better than AIM
[08:19] <Kiongku> !amarok
[08:19] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[08:22] <Kiongku> darn.. adept refuses to let me install the xine engine wihtout the default amarok
[08:24] <jillc> hello
[08:25] <Kiongku> jillc: hi
[08:25] <jillc> hi Kiongku
[08:26] <jillc> what is the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu (i'm just learning this so please be layman)
[08:27] <waspius> kubuntu used kde as default whereas ubuntu gnome
[08:27] <grothesk> jillc: It's just the Desktop.
[08:27] <grothesk> Ubuntu uses gnome as default, kubuntu uses kde.
[08:27] <waspius> so basically kubuntu is the same as ubuntu but with kde
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> Bingo A+!
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:27] <grothesk> But you may add the other one very easily
[08:28] <jillc> so gnome and kde are desktop images
[08:28] <waspius> :)
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> 'desktop enviroments'
[08:28] <jujimufu> jillc: desktop managers, yeah :)
[08:28] <jillc> which is better?
[08:28] <jillc> or are they made for different things?
[08:28] <ccc_> jillc: try both and see which you like better
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> http://www.plig.net/xwinman/
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> read all about the diffrent window managers
[08:29] <ccc_> jillc: not really
[08:29] <grothesk> kde tends more to windows, gnome more to OS X-Style. *duck*
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> None is better.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> kde makes windows seem like garbate.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> gnome makes OS-X seem good. :)
[08:29] <jillc> how about apples OP and <k>ubuntos.. are they similar
[08:30] <jujimufu> Dr_Willis: lol :)
[08:30] <jillc> OS. oops
[08:30] <matrix> i realy turn nuts here. amarok refuses to play mp3s. I have set engine to xine. installed all libs I could find related to this and even with xine itself i am able to play them.
[08:30] <jujimufu> matrix: are you sure you have your speakers on?
[08:30] <matrix> jujimufu: yes as xine just played the mp3 and i was listening to flacs with amarok
[08:31] <jujimufu> matrix: so, you've played mp3 files before?
[08:31] <matrix> jujimufu: not with amarok. i played flacs before with amarok
[08:32] <jujimufu> matrix: so, amarok won't play?
[08:32] <tk> jujimufu: you have the xine-extracodecs installed?
[08:32] <matrix> tk: yes they are installed
[08:32] <tk> what version of amarok?
[08:32] <matrix> 1.3.9
[08:32] <jujimufu> my amarok just played mp3s after I installed all the codecs via EasyUbuntu. I just, clicked and played them.
[08:33] <tk> try updating... -> thats a repo with amarok in it ---.>  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[08:33] <tk> brb
[08:33] <ccc_> jillc: well you can configure it just the way you like it. kde is generally more configurable compared to gnome
[08:33] <Kiongku> bleh
[08:34] <Kiongku> can i install a newer xine lib even if the older one is still detected?
[08:34] <jillc> i just looked at that website.. i like the kde screenshots better
[08:34] <jillc> it 'really' does look like windows
[08:36] <tk> back
[08:37] <tk> woooo! got ntfs-3g working on boot now :D
[08:37] <Kiongku> tk: good job :p
[08:38] <tk> too bad I still have to unplug my bluetooth before it will recognize any of my devices though :(
[08:38] <Kiongku> tk: lol
[08:38] <rikioh> can someone help me im in windows right now but everytime i try to go into kubuntu now right after i log out the screen goes white and theres like a hampster running around a spinning wheel, after that it goes to my desktop with no toolbars some odd green background and i cant do anything
[08:38] <rikioh> log in*
[08:38] <Hawkwind> That's Xfce
[08:39] <rikioh> whats that
[08:39] <Jucato> I just love that splash screen!
[08:39] <Hawkwind> It's a window manager
[08:39] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Do you boot to a graphical login screen ?
[08:39] <Jucato> err.. Desktop Environment...
[08:39] <rikioh> yes hawkwing
[08:39] <rikioh> wind
[08:40] <Hawkwind> rikioh: Then before you login, go to Session and choose KDE.  Then login just like normal and it will put you into KDE
[08:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Xfce is a window manager.  Gnome and KDE are desktop environments
[08:40] <rikioh> ok ty
[08:40] <rikioh> i just didnt know what was going on :)
[08:40] <rikioh> i was like whats this hampster.....
[08:41] <Jucato> Hawkwind: Xfce is a Desktop Environment, Xfwm is it's window manager. http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=overview&lang=en
[08:41] <Kiongku> i cant talk on ubuntu-classroom
[08:41] <Jucato> Kiongku: you sure can't
[08:41] <Jucato> it's moderated
[08:41] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: You're not supposed to
[08:42] <Kiongku> Jucato: =(? and how can u o0
[08:42] <Jucato> only moderators/ops/voiced people can talk
[08:42] <Hawkwind> Kiongku: When they are giving a class, they don't want people interupting it
[08:42] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: doh..i'll just let it go by
[08:42] <Jucato> Kiongku: you can't. addresss all questions to nalioth by typing '/msg nalioth <message_or_question>'
[08:42] <Kiongku> Jucato: ah lol
[08:43] <Kiongku> Hawkwind: i can find lib-xine in kubuntu o0?
[08:43] <Kiongku> *cant
[08:43] <Jucato> !info libxine
[08:43] <ubotu> Package libxine does not exist in dapper
[08:43] <Jucato> hmm
[08:43] <Jucato> !info xine-lib
[08:43] <ubotu> Package xine-lib does not exist in dapper
[08:44] <Kiongku> !info lib-xine
[08:44] <ubotu> Package lib-xine does not exist in dapper
[08:44] <Kiongku> bleh
[08:44] <Jucato> !info libxine1c2
[08:44] <ubotu> libxine1c2: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 114 kB, installed size 260 kB
[08:44] <Jucato> !info libxine-main
[08:44] <ubotu> Package libxine-main does not exist in dapper
[08:44] <Jucato> !info libxine-main1
[08:44] <ubotu> libxine-main1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu2-7.2 (dapper), package size 2865 kB, installed size 6632 kB
[08:45] <Kiongku> hmm
[08:45] <Jucato> so it's libxine1c2 or libxine-main1 ??
[08:47] <Kiongku> libxine-main1 i guess but cant remove without deleting the others
[08:47] <jillc> thank you all for explaining the difference.
[08:48] <tk> of course after telling whats his name that repo... I found out I was mising the latest repo :P
[08:48] <TheGateKeeper> I am presently running a livecd, would like the info you get in fstab of the hard disk, anyone know a cli command to do that?
[08:48] <tk> cat /etc/fstab ?
[08:49] <Mick7> hello men
[08:49] <Jucato> err.. that would display the Live CD's fstab..
[08:49] <tk> doesnt the live cd mount the HD though?
[08:49] <tk> nm, it probably wouldnt be in the fstab though...
[08:50] <Jucato> it would probably be in /media/harddisk_mountpoint/etc/fstab
[08:51] <Mick7> I've tried some linux distributions and I always had some problem with my ATI radeon 9200 SE, after the load of live cd the screen remain black and don't happen nothing HELP
[08:53] <tk> !flash
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:53] <tk> hmmm
[08:53] <tk> isnt there a trigger for the 32bit flash in 64bit environment?
[08:54] <TheGateKeeper> the only fstab is in /etc and tells me the swap is /dev/hda2, probable means I want to mount /dev/hda1
[08:54] <jujimufu> TheGateKeeper: lol
[08:56] <TheGateKeeper> what's the command that tells you where you are?
[08:56] <orient2000> Hi! Is there any answering mashine for kubuntu I could use?
[08:56] <Phreakys> hi there
[08:56] <Phreakys> anyone experience installing compiz on kde kubuntu?
[08:57] <jujimufu> !xgl
[08:57] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:57] <jujimufu> there :)
[08:58] <jujimufu> you're welcome :D
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> dang it - is there a little recorder app - so i can test my mic in.
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> :P not sure what jack/mixer settings i need to use for it and skype
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> !skype
[09:00] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[09:00] <ninHer_> bye the way....anyone using openwengo ?
[09:01] <orient2000> Hi! Is there any answering machine I could use on KDE Kubuntu?
[09:01] <waspius> is the window manager different than the desktop?
[09:01] <Jucato> waspius: in KDE's, GNOME's, and Xfce's cases, yes.
[09:01] <TheGateKeeper> how do you mount your hard disk if you are running from a CD??
[09:02] <Phreakys> tnx
[09:02] <Phreakys> will try
[09:02] <TheGateKeeper> how do you mount your hard disk if you are running from a LiveCD??  (I should have said)
[09:04] <fabian_> Hey. I've got a secondary HDD which I just formated with QTParted and is now XFS. I've changed FSTAB to resemble the change in File System but it still comes up as a VFAT partition when I 'sudo fdisk -l'... Any ideas why?
[09:06] <waspius> i want to install a window manager that is not as heavy as kde and gnome but that i can add panels etc
[09:06] <jujimufu> xfce
[09:06] <jujimufu> !xfce
[09:06] <ubotu> Xubuntu is Ubuntu with XFCE, for more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[09:07] <jujimufu> !gnome > jujimufu
[09:07] <fabian_> Try XFCE
[09:07] <jujimufu> fabain: also a nice combination is openbox wiith kdesktop and fbpanel :)
[09:08] <utab> keyboard locks in KDE
[09:08] <jujimufu> utab: what do you mean it locks?
[09:08] <utab> any ideas
[09:09] <utab> jujimufu I can not type anything
[09:09] <fabian_> jujimufu: I'm kinda new to linux, but Openbox looks really nice. :) Haven't been able to try it though
[09:10] <utab> jujimufu I am on Gnome now
[09:10] <D4rkly> does anyone know how i can add quicktime support to kaffeine ??
[09:11] <Jucato> D4rkly: you would need to install the w32codecs
[09:11] <jujimufu> D4rkly: try downloading the codecs package from EasyUbuntu
[09:11] <jujimufu> !Easyubuntu
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Easyubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <jujimufu> !easyubuntu
[09:11] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[09:11] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[09:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:11] <tk> !java
[09:11] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[09:11] <jujimufu> utab: I didn't aks you what you're with now, I asked you what do you mean ti locks...
[09:12] <D4rkly> !mov
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mov - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <fabian_> darkly
[09:12] <fabian_> head over to http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[09:12] <utab> jujimufu I can not type, BTW you are so gentle
[09:12] <D4rkly> !quicktime
[09:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:12] <__mikem> Hey, I have a question, I am trying to get xgl working, but all the instructions I find talk about nvidia or ati, the problem is I am using vmware, and consequentially, the video device ubuntu sees is neither ati or nvidia, therefore I need help setting this up
[09:12] <fabian_> that'll show you how to install all codecs (except wmv)
[09:12] <D4rkly> ok cool :)
[09:12] <jujimufu> utab: I can be gentle if I want to, but you also have to cooperate and give proper information so that we can answer adequately. Thank you :)
[09:13] <fabian_> Hey. I've got a secondary HDD which I just formated with QTParted and is now XFS. I've changed FSTAB to resemble the change in File System but it still comes up as a VFAT partition when I 'sudo fdisk -l'... Any ideas why? --> No ideas, right?
[09:13] <utab> jujimufu , so
[09:13] <Blissex> fabian_: you need to read a bit more about the difference between a filesystem and the partition containing it :-)
[09:14] <__mikem> I hate repeating myself, but aparently thats the only option I have here. Hey, I have a question, I am trying to get xgl working, but all the instructions I find talk about nvidia or ati, the problem is I am using vmware, and consequentially, the video device ubuntu sees is neither ati or nvidia, therefore I need help setting this up
[09:14] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: are you sure you formatted? not just partitioned as xfs?
[09:14] <Blissex> __mikem: thats mad, give up.
[09:14] <D4rkly> do gstreamer codecs work for kaffeine ?
[09:14] <jujimufu> utab: wait wait
[09:15] <Blissex> __mikem: there is a very, very good reason why the instructions mention fast cards with 3D accel.
[09:15] <__mikem> Is there any way to get xgl to work with vmware?
[09:15] <fabian_> LeeJunFan that's probably it. :-$ How can I format it? In QTParted, it shows upas XFS, but I'm unable to actually format it
[09:15] <LeeJunFan> __mikem: no.
[09:15] <__mikem> that sucks
[09:16] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: mkfs.xfs /dev/hdb1 perhaps? depending on whether hdb1 is the correct drive/partition
[09:17] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: Thanks, I'm gonna try that out right now and see what happens
[09:18] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: It seems to have worked, but it's done it extremly quickly... Maybe it's only partitioned it again?
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: no, mkfs doesn't partition.
[09:19] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: try mounting it now.
[09:19] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: Well, when I sudo fdisk -l, it still shows up as FAT
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: sounds like qtparted didn't do it's job.
[09:20] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: I'm typing "sudo mkfs.xfs /dev/hdd1 -f" in the cosole
[09:21] <jujimufu> utab: check this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235405&highlight=kde+lock
[09:21] <jujimufu> utab: and generally, check the forums
[09:21] <D4rkly> does anyone know how i can install the w32codecs ?? tried sudo apt-get install w32codecs but it didnt work ?
[09:22] <jujimufu> D4rkly: download easyubuntu, and check to install the codecs from there. It's the fastest and easiet way. Plus, it installs all codecs alltogether, so you'll most probably never need to download any codecs again
[09:22] <jujimufu> !easyubuntu > D4rkly
[09:22] <utab> jujimufu , before this I have sent there but got no replies
[09:22] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: problem is that if it's not marked as an xfs partition type you're going to have trouble. you need to use fdisk and change the partition type, then mkfs.xfs it again.
[09:24] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: Ah, OK. So I have to partition with Fdisk, then format with Mkfs.xfs
[09:25] <LeeJunFan> fabian_: yeah, according to fdisk -l qtparted didn't change your partition type to xfs.
[09:25] <Kiongku> !amarok
[09:25] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[09:25] <Kiongku> !kaffeine
[09:25] <ubotu> kaffeine: versatile media player for KDE 3. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1.3ubuntu10 (dapper), package size 1528 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[09:26] <fabian_> LeeJunFan: Ok, now I get it. :) Thanks, I'll look into it.
[09:26] <utab> KDE locks keyboard I can type but mouse is OK I can click and select, what might be the problem
[09:27] <utab> I can NOT type
[09:28] <fritsch> utab: usb keyboard?
[09:28] <fritsch> utab: if yes { plug out(); plugin()} else {reboot()}
[09:28] <utab> fritsch both the usb and the built in one
[09:29] <fritsch> utab: plug out the usb one, and plug in
[09:29] <utab> fritsch now I use the built in
[09:29] <fritsch> utab: does this always happen?
[09:29] <fritsch> utab: this one is working?
[09:29] <fritsch> utab: just replug the external usb one
[09:29] <utab> fritsch actually I am typing on Gnome ;)
[09:29] <fritsch> utab: mmmh
[09:30] <utab> fritsch dell laptop
[09:30] <fritsch> utab: sorry, don`t know a kde specific keyboard issue
[09:30] <Kiongku> !koffice
[09:30] <ubotu> Integrated office suite for KDE, including word processing, spreadsheet, flow charting, image manipulation. For more info see: http://koffice.kde.org. Upgraded Kubu packs at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[09:30] <utab> fritsch thx
[09:31] <Chris7mas> !nano
[09:31] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[09:32] <Chris7mas> !code
[09:32] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs; KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello; GNOME: gvim, gedit, eclipse, pida
[09:32] <Chris7mas> !html
[09:32] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[09:32] <OxMoZ|mang> bonjour
[09:32] <Chris7mas> hi
[09:32] <OxMoZ> qq1 veut bien m'aider jarrive pas a me connect a internet j'ai une livebox connect wifi par usb
[09:33] <Freddy2> hi
[09:36] <brnn> Hello. I want to ask a simple question. I have Kubuntu 6.06. I  want to  change keyboard layouts using only two keys.
[09:37] <brnn> but I can't
[09:37] <brnn> because It only allows me 4 key combinations
[09:37] <brnn> How can I make it use two keys only?????
[09:38] <brnn> Will anyone answer ???????????
[09:40] <Blissex> brnn: you cannot use _any_ keys. You can do it with 2, for example if you do something like CTRL+something
[09:40] <osiris> anyone having issues with ctrl+alt+f key terminals not working ?
[09:41] <solus_> my monitor worked fine on high res the last 2 weeks, i turned it on today and it was 640x480 and wont change, and i didnt do anything with the settings of the monitor at all yesterday other than change my backgrund image and screensaver, anyone have any clue about this problem?
[09:41] <Blissex> solus_: look at the contents of '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[09:42] <brnn> YES, blissex
[09:42] <brnn> I try
[09:42] <brnn> ctrl + shift
[09:42] <brnn> or
[09:42] <crazy_penguin> Good evening all!
[09:42] <brnn> ctrl + alt
[09:42] <solus_> Blissex:  i should also mention that i just started using this 2 weeks ago, lol...  i just search for that?
[09:42] <Blissex> brnn: you cannot just use modifiers.
[09:42] <brnn> but it always wants two more keys
[09:43] <solus_> Blissex: ok, its open, what should it look like?
[09:44] <Blissex> solus_: look through it and it should say why the X server chose 640x480...
[09:44] <solus_> ok, thanks
[09:46] <solus_> Blissex: ok, odd, it does recognize the chipset as g force 4
[09:46] <solus_> and the drivers are there, so it knows it should do better
[09:47] <Blissex> solus_: look at the lines about modes...
[09:47] <Blissex> solus_: and about the monitor. The card is almost irrelevant.
[09:48] <solus_> ok, ill copy exactly what it says about the monitor, only 2 likes were found when i searched the doc
[09:48] <solus_> (II) NV(0): Generic Monitor: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz
[09:48] <solus_> II) NV(0): Generic Monitor: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 Hz
[09:50] <Blissex> solus_: then obviously it is not a generic monitor. You need to redefine the monitor to inform the X server of its true horizontal and vertical scan rates.
[09:50] <Blissex> solus_: probably you have changed connection or something else and it can no longer read them via EDID/DDC.
[09:50] <solus_> its a laptop, i wouldnt even know how to change the connection on it
[09:51] <solus_> but as long as i know the basic prob, i can check docs, thanks so much
[09:53] <Blissex> solus_: ahhhhhh, is that for the _internal_ screen?
[09:55] <robert_> blah
[09:55] <robert_> I've got kde+gnome, and kubuntu won't progress beyond starting the kernel event manger- wtf
[09:57] <solus_> Blissex: yes, it is an internal
[09:58] <solus_> im trying to chat with the hp rep to see the exact make and model of the monitor now, but no one has been available for hours
[09:58] <Blissex> solus_: then it is strange it worked before but not now. Also check the size in pixels, if it is a bit odd you usually need a special modeline.
[09:58] <solus_> and when i tried ot change it manually to the settings i had before, it told me that my monitor didnt support it, which, it did yesterday, lol
[09:58] <solus_> ok, how does one do that?
[09:58] <Blissex> solus_: to find out type/make just look at the label on the laptop get the model number and do a web search.
[09:59] <solus_> sorry to be a pain, but i have a good memory and will only ever have to ask once
[09:59] <Blissex> solus_: do a nice web search, and I think it is also on the ubuntu Wiki.
[09:59] <solus_> i have the model number, but it isnt giving more than the graphics card/audio and that bs, which is all still ok and recognized
[10:00] <solus_> thats the thing i truly hate about hp, they make it hell for you to find out about their products and fix them yourself
[10:00] <Kiongku> oh darn the kubuntu system for saving amarok ><...
[10:00] <Jucato> huh?
[10:00] <Kiongku> cant compile new amarok..
[10:01] <Jucato> oh
[10:01] <Kiongku> i downgrading back to amarok 1.4.1 of kubuntu
[10:01] <Blissex> solus_: there is something about laptop screen config here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[10:01] <Jucato> ehehe! what you were looking for in Amarok is already in 1.4.1 anyway
[10:01] <Kiongku> its too much hazzle to get xine engine in the new one bcoz the main libxine in kubuntu cannot be replaced.
[10:01] <Kiongku> if i try raplace it.. kaffeine and Kmplayer goes away too
[10:02] <Kiongku> Jucato: go read the changelog for 1.4.2
[10:02] <Kiongku> quite a few nice features to be tested :D
[10:02] <Blissex> solus_: in particular http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide#HP_zt3000_.2F_Compaq_nx7000
[10:02] <Jucato> Kiongku: hehe! keyword "tested"
[10:02] <Jucato> there are only so few things that I dare experiment with. Multimedia is not one of them... yet :-D
[10:03] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe.. :( and u know the hell i passed through to compile it.. now i dunno what to do with the devs files >>.. i think i'll keep it in case
[10:04] <Jucato> I thought you said "no I dunno what to do with the devs" (developers)
[10:04] <Kiongku> Jucato: XDD.. i know what to do.. i'll close them in a room till they get the kubuntu 1.4.2 out :p
[10:04] <Jucato> lol
[10:05] <Kiongku> O.O
[10:05] <zaq> hello
[10:05] <zaq> is this a help channel?
[10:05] <Kiongku> zaq: might be
[10:05] <zaq> ok
[10:05] <Kiongku> zaq: if the prob can be solved by us :p
[10:05] <Jucato> Kiongku: might be? it is! ^_^
[10:05] <ZaQ> I am new to Ubuntu
[10:06] <ZaQ> just installed it
[10:06] <Jucato> Kubuntu help channel
[10:06] <ZaQ> and i dont know how to install programs that I downloaded from the web
[10:06] <Jucato> ZaQ: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[10:06] <ZaQ> Unbuntu I beleive
[10:06] <Kiongku> ZaQ: yap its kubuntu here.. if u need help for ubuntu go to ubuntu
[10:06] <ZaQ> hmm
[10:06] <Jucato> ZaQ: is your desktop brown?
[10:06] <ZaQ> what is the difference between the two?
[10:06] <Kiongku> ZaQ: or blue :p
[10:06] <ZaQ> yes
[10:06] <ZaQ> brown
[10:06] <Freddy2> xD
[10:06] <Kiongku> ZaQ: they use different desktop environment
[10:06] <Jucato> ZaQ: then you're using Ubuntu
[10:07] <ZaQ> ok
[10:07] <Jucato> #ubuntu might be the best place to be :-D
[10:07] <ZaQ> what is the difference?
[10:07] <Kiongku> ZaQ: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu uses kde
[10:07] <ZaQ> haha
[10:07] <Jucato> Ubuntu uses GNOME, while Kubuntu uses KDE
[10:07] <ZaQ> ok
[10:07] <ZaQ> what does that mean? lol
[10:07] <Kiongku> ZaQ: the way we customise our linux =P
[10:07] <Jucato> GNOME and KDE are what we call desktop environments
[10:07] <Jucato> lol
[10:07] <Kiongku> Jucato: XD he went away
[10:08] <Jucato> T_T
[10:08] <Jucato> oh there he is
[10:08] <zaq> k
[10:08] <zaq> sorry
[10:08] <Kiongku> lol.. dunt be sad
[10:08] <Jucato> ehehe
[10:08] <Kiongku> lol?
[10:08] <Kiongku> Jucato was crying right now :p
[10:08] <Jucato> whoa
[10:08] <Freddy2> gnome seems to be easier for default config, but i think you can get better results with kde, if you configure it properly.. you'll need time and practice with it in order to get its best
[10:08] <Kiongku> no worry
[10:08] <Kiongku> he went to the correct channel
[10:09] <Jucato> Kiongku: how did you know? you're on #ubuntu too?
[10:09] <Kiongku>  /whois zaq
[10:09] <Jucato> oh
[10:09] <Jucato> I thought you were sleeping with the enemy
[10:09] <Jucato> j/k
[10:09] <Kiongku> Freddy2: dunt give a damn to gnome.. after kubuntu i'll move to gentoo.. if i ever change :p
[10:09] <Freddy2> hmm he was out? fuck XD
[10:09] <Kiongku> Jucato: loL?
[10:10] <Jucato> ehehe
[10:10] <Riddell> Freddy2: language
[10:10] <jillc> can you have Windows xp and Kubuntu on the same computer?  and can Kubuntu run everything windows runs
[10:10] <Jucato> lol? like an uncertain laugh... ^_^
[10:10] <Freddy2> i'm spanish
[10:10] <Jucato> Freddy2: he meant, watch your language...
[10:10] <Freddy2> wasn't trying to be so "hard"
[10:10] <Kiongku> jillc: nah.. kubuntu cant run all that windows run by default
[10:10] <Kiongku> jillc: and ya u can dual boot
[10:10] <Freddy2> i'm not very good with english, sorrry
[10:10] <OOD> jillc: you can have both on the same computer, and chose to boot either one or the other
[10:11] <Jucato> Freddy2: no, just the F* word...
[10:11] <Kiongku> jillc: got both xp and kubuntu
[10:11] <Freddy2> i know
[10:11] <Jucato> ^_^
[10:11] <Jucato> Kiongku: I've got Kubuntu, XP, and another partition for anything else I might fancy
[10:11] <jillc> which is easier to setup  ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:11] <Jucato> initial setup? I'd say both
[10:11] <Kiongku> Jucato: fancy gentoo and let me know the results ;)
[10:12] <Hawkwind> jillc: Both the same
[10:12] <Kiongku> jillc: does not matter
[10:12] <Jucato> lol! not Gentoo, not yet...
[10:12] <Kiongku> Jucato: hehe
[10:12] <Jucato> I'll probably try out Arch and Ark one of these days
[10:12] <Kiongku> :D
[10:12] <Jucato> hmph
[10:12] <Kiongku> oh ?
[10:12] <Jucato> yeah, but we're getting out of topic (again)
[10:13] <Kiongku> Jucato: did he needed further help?.. bcoz he stopped asking question
[10:13] <solus_> Blissex: thanks, the monitor is fine again, it was a paint but i found the wiki on a laptop somewhat like mine, lol
[10:13] <Jucato> I dunno.
[10:13] <Blissex> solus_: best way...
[10:13] <Kiongku> bah
[10:13] <MrBallZ> Question:  Why the automount doesn't mount external hdd's that are in NTFS ?
[10:14] <MrBallZ> in kubuntu 6.06 dapper
[10:14] <Blissex> !ntfs
[10:14] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[10:14] <Kiongku> question solved
[10:14] <MrBallZ> htnx
[10:14] <solus_> Blissex: im just wary at the moment because ive killed my sude twice, etc...  im not catching onto this linux thing very well, if i cant find my exact problem i ask, i guess i had better just get used to it and keep good backups for awhile
[10:15] <solus_> but i do like it much more than windows, even with the problems
[10:15] <Kiongku> MrBallZ: btw u can only read from ntfs
[10:15] <Blissex> solus_: good. You gotta read more. Linux require most sysadm skills but then it is more logical and flexible. Precisely because it gets you to learn those skills...
[10:15] <Jucato> well, if he can't mount it, he wouldn't even be able to read from it :-D
[10:15] <Kiongku> :p
[10:15] <Kiongku> Jucato: hahah
[10:16] <Kiongku> well i can also follow that.. but i have nothign to gain from mounting it
[10:16] <Jucato> Blissex: probably not sysadm skills, but it does require learning a bit more than what you know from Windows (which is almost nothing)
[10:17] <Kiongku> Blissex: i rather say u need to learn to use the terminal more :p
[10:17] <solus_> haha, reading helps to a degree but a lot of even the wiki on ubuntus site assumes you know something about linux, which i didnt other than by repuation...  i did find a good site to walk me through the basic things, like learning exactly what sudo was and how to use it, but anything more comlicated than installing a program isnt in there
[10:17] <Kiongku> in windows rarely touch that cmd
[10:17] <Kiongku> solus_: u started better than me.. i learned from forums and trial and error
[10:18] <Jucato> Kiongku: that really depends on the distro. there are some distros out there that are more CLI oriented, while there are a lot that are more GUI oriented. Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a happy mixture of both
[10:18] <solus_> trial and error i did with suse which was the bane of my existance for about 5 days, then i switched to kubuntu, and i have everything the way i want it now...
[10:18] <Kiongku> lol happy mixture :p
[10:18] <solus_> so now, i have to learn terminal, i try to make about an hour a day to play around and learn things i dont realize ineed to know
[10:18] <Kiongku> solus_: good
[10:18] <Freddy2> (windows) modem problems are very common for people how try linux for the first time.. but when using dsl (or similar) routers is quite simple
[10:19] <Kiongku> i use usb modem.. the bane of the modems for linux
[10:19] <Jucato> not if the DSL/ADSL connection uses PPPoE
[10:19] <Kiongku> nope ppoa
[10:19] <Jucato> I think WiFi's are more of the bane
[10:19] <Kiongku> pppoa
[10:19] <Jucato> Kiongku: most DSL/ADSL ISP providers use PPPoE now more than PPPoA
[10:19] <Freddy2> indeed
[10:20] <Kiongku> Jucato: i come from a stone age country so i use pppoa :p
[10:20] <Jucato> and PPPoE, in the Debian world, has no GUI configuration tool
[10:20] <solus_> alright dinner is here, thanks so much for the help
[10:20] <Kiongku> pppoa got no GUI configuration tool too
[10:20] <Jucato> ok... then both PPPoE and PPPoA :-D
[10:20] <Kiongku> hehe
[10:21] <Jucato> Kiongku: which country would that be? China?
[10:21] <Freddy2> but all the times i've seen it (for dsl) pppoe was managed inside the router, with nat enabled, of course
[10:21] <Kiongku> China is very developed now.. dunt underestimate it :p
[10:21] <Kiongku> nah i'm from mauritius
[10:21] <Jucato> oh
[10:22] <Jucato> I was just presuming from the /whois :-D
[10:22] <Jucato> Freddy2: I had to use pppoeconf to setup my ADSL connection
[10:22] <Kiongku> dang ig only libxine was not so interlaced by kubuntu. i could have upgraded my xine lib without prob :(
[10:23] <Freddy2> Jucato: do you have a public IP directly in your machine with no nat? or you aren't using a router?
[10:23] <Kiongku> i use pon ueagle-atm .. and thats all XD
[10:23] <Jucato> Freddy2: ehehe! would you laugh at me if I told you that I did not understand those terms :-D
[10:24] <Freddy2> hmm you use modem or router?
[10:24] <Jucato> a modem, I think :-D
[10:24] <Jucato> a black box thingy
[10:24] <Freddy2> i see.. ok then
[10:24] <Jucato> btw, how would you know if you were using a modem or a router?
[10:25] <Jucato> oh krap... almost 4:30 am...
[10:25] <Freddy2> common routers have several rj45 connectors (usually 4), and you connnect to it over an ethernet link
[10:25] <Kiongku> !amarok
[10:25] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.1 and packages are available for Kubuntu at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.1.php
[10:25] <Freddy2> well, you can also take a look at your ip and also to your gateway
[10:26] <robert_> blah- (k)ubuntu won't progress past starting the kernel event manager - I had a power surge a short while ago, and now it won't start up :/
[10:26] <Jucato> Freddy2: basically, I have an ethernet card (integrated) which connects to a black box, which has 4 slots for what you called an rj45 connector
[10:27] <Heruka> Hi Big problems trying to pair mobile/bluetooth..many hours..no luck..any suggestions
[10:27] <Freddy2> and what about ip/gateway?
[10:27] <Jucato> err...
[10:27] <dr_willis> Heruka,  i  manually edited some pin file - ages ago for mine.
[10:27] <Freddy2> are you using something like 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x?
[10:27] <kevin_> how to setup the gtk2 applications' fonts in kubuntu?
[10:28] <Jucato> kevin_: System Settings > Appearance > GTK Styles and Fonts
[10:28] <Jucato> Freddy2: where should I check? (this is getting embarassing...)
[10:28] <Heruka> thanks Dr.Wilis.. will look at some of them
[10:28] <robert_> do note, that I recently installed/configured my system for use with ldap- if that makes any difference
[10:29] <Freddy2> try "sudo ifconfig", and take a look at ethX entries
[10:29] <kevin_> Jucato, I'll try it, thanks
[10:30] <Jucato> Freddy2: eth0? but nothing resembles and IP/gateway address
[10:30] <Freddy2> second line at eth0.. inet addr: x.x.x.x
[10:31] <Jucato> Freddy2: it's inet6 addr, then some hexadecimal figures
[10:31] <Freddy2> hmm are you connected to an ipv6 provider?
[10:31] <Jucato> I have eth0, lo, and ppp0
[10:31] <Jucato> I don't think so. I didn't really check with our ISP
[10:32] <Freddy2> well, so it seems that your router doesn't manage ppp, so probably we're talking about the ppp0 entry
[10:32] <Jucato> Freddy2: ok, there's inet addr, P-t-P, and Mask
[10:33] <ade> hi can anyone help me, i have just installed linux for the first time, how do i get a media player?? please help
[10:33] <Freddy2> my router for example manages pppoe, so i simply need a private ip for connecting with it, and that's all.. quite simple
[10:34] <Jucato> Freddy2: oh. my inet addr is 210.213.xxx.xxx
[10:34] <dr_willis> ade fire up the adept package manager and look at the stuff you can install, check for vlc, mplayer, xine,
[10:34] <ade> thanx will do
[10:34] <Kiongku> ade: kaffeine and amarok is good
[10:34] <Jucato> ade: you could also try the installed media players mentioned by Kiongku
[10:34] <dr_willis> depeneds on what 'media' you mean. :)
[10:34] <Freddy2> i see with a whois.. juan carlos torres? are you spanish?
[10:35] <Jucato> nope
[10:35] <Jucato> Filipino :-D
[10:35] <Freddy2> saludos xD
[10:35] <Jucato> @_@
[10:36] <Jucato> Freddy2: so I guess I'm using a modem, not a router, right?
[10:36] <Freddy2> i think you're using a router which doesn't manage ppp itself, so your machine has to do the job
[10:36] <Jucato> oh
[10:37] <Jucato> anyway, thanks for the info!
[10:37] <Freddy2> np
[10:37] <Jucato> gotta catch some snooze... even for just 2-3 hours...
[10:37] <Freddy2> cya
[10:37] <Jucato> bye!
[10:39] <ade> what internet security can i get hold of
[10:39] <dr_willis> ade Huh?
[10:40] <ade> firewall, antivirus that sort of thing, what is compatible
[10:40] <Freddy2> firewall (iptables, for example)
[10:41] <dr_willis> Its time to read a few guides on Linux Security I think. :P
[10:42] <Freddy2> sure
[10:42] <robert_> anybody?
[10:42] <robert_> help?
[10:43] <dr_willis> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/colsfaq.html
[10:43] <Kiongku> doh... my amarok refuse to open now
[10:43] <dr_willis> robert_ Hmm?
[10:43] <Freddy2> Kiongku: try to launch it from command line and see what it says
[10:43] <Kiongku> Freddy2: ya
[10:43] <appleseed> hi
[10:44] <pierreth> hello
[10:44] <appleseed> any italian user?
[10:44] <pierreth> how can i use my dvd burner?
[10:44] <Freddy2> pierreth: k3b?
[10:44] <dr_willis> pierreth,  i tend to use k3b to burn thangs. :P
[10:45] <dr_willis> its a decent progam
[10:45] <pierreth> Freddy2: it does not see it
[10:45] <appleseed> any italian user?
[10:45] <Freddy2> maybe it's not installed.. check this
[10:45] <dr_willis> see... NOW the true question comes out.
[10:45] <dr_willis> :P
[10:45] <pierreth> dr_willis: yes i did for my cd burner
[10:45] <pierreth> k3b works well with cd burner
[10:46] <pierreth> but i don't how to do the same with the dvd burner
[10:46] <pierreth> i have 2 drives
[10:46] <pierreth> the dvd is connected using firewire
[10:46] <Freddy2> k3b works fine with both cd and dvd drives
[10:46] <robert_> dr_willis: (k)ubuntu won't progress past starting the kernel event manager - I had a power surge a short while ago, and now it won't start up :/
[10:47] <pierreth> nothing is happening when i add a cd in my dvd drive
[10:48] <pierreth> my cd drive is working well, i can see the cd on the desktop
[10:48] <Freddy2> i have never used firewire devices, sorry
[10:48] <pierreth> but it is not the same for the dvd drive
[10:48] <Freddy2> but k3b includes a config option for detecting all available devices.. try it
[10:48] <tomaczec> hi
[10:48] <pierreth> Freddy2: how
[10:49] <misieq> how can i allow only browser with some specified user-agent string to access to /some/dir? i know i have to set "BrowserMatch SomeVariable" but what should i do with that variable then?>
[10:50] <Freddy2> pierreth: launch the program, and go to the preferences menu.. there you should see 2 equal entries for konfiguring k3b.. as far as i remember it's one of them
[10:51] <tomaczec> got a question concerning automake -> i got installed version 1.4 _and_ 1.7. calling automake does use 1.4. why isnt 1.7 (the newer version) be called/run?
[10:53] <pierreth> i have an option to add a device but i don't know how to use it
[10:53] <PeteIF> Grah, finally.
[10:54] <MrBallZ> I have an issue, i plug in a NTFS hdd thru usb, and it detects it and when I click on Ok, to access it I get a message that " wrong fs type ..."  , anyways, if i mount this hdd as sudo i have no problems, how can I fix this in kubuntu dapper 6.06
[10:54] <tomaczec> btw, i simply fixed my prob by uninstalling 1.4 -> nevertheless, it took me wonder why the build process in questions tells me that i do not have 1.7.
[10:54] <dr_willis_> there may be some way to select what one to use system wide.
[10:54] <dr_willis_> ya can do it with java and other 'default' programs as well.
[10:57] <robert_> dr_willis- anythng regarding my problem?
[10:58] <dr_willis_> what was the problem? I missed it. Lol
[11:00] <geleven> is there any way i can install a version of ITUNES in Kubuntu?
[11:00] <geleven> iTunes
[11:00] <geleven> ??????
[11:01] <geleven> i don't kjnow other good cd rippers
[11:01] <dr_willis_> grip, k3b, many others
[11:01] <dr_willis_> I would not classify itunes as a 'good' cd ripper. :P
[11:01] <geleven> i want to ripp ant max quality
[11:01] <dr_willis_> you mean rip to wav files?
[11:01] <geleven> and KAudioKreator sucks
[11:02] <geleven> to mp3
[11:02] <geleven> it won't work
[11:02] <geleven> i was wondering if itunes exists for linux
[11:02] <dr_willis_> No it does not.
[11:02] <geleven> i saw some ipod stuff
[11:02] <geleven> though
[11:02] <dr_willis_> ipod tools are for copying stuff to/from and ipod.
[11:02] <tomaczec> geleven: the quality is based on the codecs you use.
[11:03] <dr_willis_> if they ripped - they would be just a front end to cdparanoia and other tools
[11:03] <geleven> ok
[11:03] <geleven> so..tell me a good cd ripper.....
[11:04] <geleven> i want to encode at 320 kbps.......high quality.......with id3
[11:04] <geleven> just like itunes
[11:04] <tomaczec> geleven: the qst is -> tell me a good codec.
[11:04] <geleven> i don't know
[11:04] <dr_willis_> i tend to use grip. i just like how it works. :P and its flexable
[11:05] <Kiongku> where are all the programs downloaded through apt-get?
[11:05] <dr_willis_> its just a front end to the other console tools.
[11:05] <geleven> i am using linux since today
[11:05] <dr_willis_> Kiongku,  you mean where does the .debs go ? or the installed programs?
[11:05] <pato> holas
[11:05] <dr_willis_> !media
[11:05] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[11:05] <robert_> dr_willis: lol
[11:05] <Kiongku> .deb
[11:05] <tomaczec> Kiongku: how you mean 'all the programs'?
[11:05] <robert_> dr_willis_: (k)ubuntu won't progress past starting the kernel event manager - I had a power surge a short while ago, and now it won't start up :/
[11:05] <dr_willis_> Kiongku,  /var/apt/cache/ (i think)
[11:06] <dr_willis_> robert_ may wan tto boot to single user/rescue mode and see if any more detailed messages show up.
[11:06] <Kiongku> Dr_Willis: amarok takes a long time to load then it does not even show up
[11:08] <tomaczec> Kiongku: when it does not show up... how you detect that it is loaded at all?
[11:08] <Kiongku> tomaczec: in process table
[11:09] <tomaczec> Kiongku: and dmesg shows nothing?
[11:09] <Kiongku> tomaczec: amarokapp probably crashed
[11:10] <jasj> ayudaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:10] <crimsun> !es
[11:10] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:11] <tomaczec> aiuto <- italina for help.. i guess ayuda is spanish.
[11:11] <tomaczec> s/italina/italian/
[11:12] <pierreth> where can i get help?
[11:12] <Joseph> hello all
[11:13] <tomaczec> and that means help is male in italian while it is female in spanish. ;)
[11:14] <Joseph> i am burning a a kubuntu install cd or trying anyway...I am having troubles making it properly bootable. any advice on software or perhaps what I may be doing wrong...under WinXP and using CDBurnerXP Pro
[11:14] <PeteIF> I used CDBurnerXP Pro to burn my Kubuntu CDs.
[11:14] <PeteIF> Make sure that you burn it as a bootable CD image, and don't try and burn faster than 8x.
[11:14] <PeteIF> I burned at 4x to be safe.
[11:15] <Joseph> ah...let me give it a shot
[11:15] <jasj> help with libc6
[11:15] <jasj> ???
[11:15] <jasj> help me
[11:16] <crimsun> !es > jasj
[11:16] <Joseph> on boot options what did you use as far as type of bootable Pete?
[11:17] <Joseph> it asks for emulation type
[11:17] <jasj> hi i damage my libc6 and i dont know how to fix it
[11:18] <jasj> !es>jasj
[11:19] <jasj> !es > crimsun
[11:20] <Joseph> PeteIF...Do you use Joliet, ISO 1, or ISO 2 when you burn?
[11:22] <jasj> help
[11:22] <jasj> help please
[11:22] <PeteIF> Doesn't matter, IIRC. I left it as the default.
[11:22] <PeteIF> @ joseph
[11:22] <PeteIF> But that was like 8 months ago.
[11:23] <PeteIF> Since then I just ordered CDs from ShipIt.
[11:23] <Joseph> didnt mess with emulation type or anything like that either?
[11:24] <Kiongku> bleh i broke my amarok
[11:25] <PeteIF> joseph: no. Just make sure that you burn at <8x, and it's a bootable ISO.
[11:28] <jasj> help
[11:29] <Arkkis> ungh, help, good advices on how to recover data from corrupted reiserfs sections wanted
[11:30] <jasj> !es >PeteIF
[11:31] <tomaczec> Arkkis: use your backups. don't use reiser at all.
[11:31] <jasj> !es > jasj
[11:31] <Hawkwind> jasj: Please stop playing with the bot
[11:32] <Freddy2> lol
[11:33] <Arkkis> tomaczec, well, that was rather unhelpful
[11:33] <Arkkis> thanks anyways
[11:35] <tomaczec> Arkkis: unhelpful? well, i did tell at least 2 things you seem do have done. or not done. really?
[11:35] <pierreth> ok my drive works in usb2 :-)
[11:36] <asimon> Arkkis: You could run reiserfsck on the unmounted partition (for example from the live CD). But it's risky, it may be able to restore your filesystem, but it could also happen to destroy what's left. My own expieriences with reiserfsck are mixed.
[11:37] <Arkkis> asimon, thanks, I'll consider that as a last resort then
[11:37] <tomaczec> Arkkis: i know noone who managed to fix a corrupted reiserfs.
[11:37] <pierreth> ok, i found the drivers, it works!!
[11:37] <Arkkis> tomaczec, well, I was transferring to ext3 when this happened on my old drives, so
[11:38] <Arkkis> if that's any better
[11:38] <pedro> hey guys..
[11:38] <pedro> can anybody tell me something about sharing files???
[11:38] <asimon> tomaczec: I had several occasions where a 'reiserfsck -rebuild-tree' restored a corrupted fs. But also some occasions where it wasn't able to do so.
[11:40] <crazy_penguin> Good night! Sleep well! :)
[11:40] <tomaczec> asimon: ok, i will change my statement to 'i know one guy' in my future postings concerning reiserfs. :)
[11:41] <Arkkis> heh
[11:41] <jasj> i have problems with libc, can i fix?
[11:41] <jordi_> my laptop is unable to connect to internet since some days ago and i don't know what to do. Somebody can help me?
[11:42] <asimon> tomaczec: it all depends on your definition of 'know' ;-)
[11:43] <jordi_> the problem is not whith the hardware cause when the laptop is running on windows internet goes correctly
[11:45] <tomaczec> asimon: i will say 'w/o definition i prolly have the information that this actions was carried out (no time zone)'...
[11:45] <waspius> usr/share/doc/icewm/icewm.html
[11:45] <waspius> sorry
[11:45] <cvasilak> hi, sorry if this is asked before....i have a wmv video file, what is the name of the package that installs the win32-codec pack in mplayer, on the cosole it complains that it can't find "/usr/lib/win32/wmvdmod.dll"
[11:46] <waspius> hey sorry to be off topic..i installed icewm and i was wondering if anyone knew how i can install a desktop in it
[11:47] <jordi_> I think is w32
[11:47] <archdrone> hi, i installed grub-splash images package and after while uninstalled it and now the grub menu is gone, after boot i see only command line and i want the menu back, i cant google anything, pls help
[11:49] <tomaczec> archdrone:  for now, try to type 'gdm' or 'kdm'.
[11:50] <archdrone> tomaczec: im already in kde
[11:51] <tomaczec> archdrone:  hence you mean the boot menu?
[11:51] <archdrone> yep:)
[11:52] <waspius> anyone?
[11:53] <jordi_> yes
[11:53] <tomaczec> archdrone: it's all in the grub manuals. maybe you try a 'grub-install' on the cli.
[11:53] <Hawkwind> waspius: IceWM is a window manager of it's own.  Why not just use it by itself ?
[11:55] <waspius> Hawkwind: i know but does it not need a desktop??if i dont use kdesktop
[11:55] <Hawkwind> waspius: No.  You can do everything in it you want/need.  You can run KDE, Gnome apps all you want
[11:56] <Hawkwind> waspius: IceWM is a lightweight window manager so it doesn't have all the icons and stuff that KDE/Gnome has.  But you can use all their apps without a problem
[11:56] <archdrone> tomaczec: i think im dumb, i dont see anything about grub's menu
[11:56] <waspius> Hawkwind: i want to use a desktop that will not use as much as resource as kde
[11:56] <tomaczec> waspius: IceWM _is_ a desktop.
[11:56] <waspius> tomaczec: howcome
[11:57] <waspius> tomaczec: i tried to change theme and the files i downloaded went straight to my kde desktop..plus i had no utilities on it
[11:57] <Hawkwind> waspius: Then use IceWM
[11:57] <tomaczec> waspius: i dunno why the coders of IceWM made it a desktop app.
[11:58] <Hawkwind> waspius: What do you mean 'They went straight to me KDE desktop'  ????
[11:58] <waspius> i am confused
[11:58] <waspius> well i was in icewm and i downloaded some files..instead of going on its desktop they went to my kde
[11:58] <waspius> on my other session
[11:58] <Hawkwind> waspius: Right/Left/Middle click in IceWM to get your menus and things.  It's a window manager.  It can do anything you want it to do and run any KDE, Gnome, Xfce app you want
[11:59] <waspius> so if i start kdesktop in it then i can see them
[11:59] <Hawkwind> waspius: Ummm no such thing
[11:59] <Hawkwind> waspius: IceWM does *not* put icons on the desktop, that's why
[11:59] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok..so in order to do so dont i need a desktop?
[11:59] <Hawkwind> waspius: That's part of how it becomes so lightweight.  Putting that junk on your desktop makes it bloated
[11:59] <Hawkwind> waspius: It won't happen
[12:00] <Hawkwind> waspius: If you want junk on your desktop, then run KDE/Gnome
[12:00] <utab> hey guys, KDE keyboard lock so I can not type  anything
[12:00] <waspius> Hawkwind: i want to have my kde and have a second in icewm in which i will be able to put panels etc but which will use less resources then kde
[12:00] <utab> what might  be  the reason
[12:00] <Hawkwind> waspius: Why on earth would you want downloaded files on your desktop anyways ?  Why not create a directory called ~/downloads and save stuff there
[12:01] <Hawkwind> waspius: If you're using both, then you're using even more resources than just what KDE uses
[12:01] <waspius> Hawkwind: no i will use one at a time
[12:01] <Hawkwind> waspius: I really don't understand what you are wanting/trying to do.  You should either run KDE as your wm/de or run something else, like IceWM, Fluxbox, E17, WindowMaker
[12:01] <tomaczec> Hawkwind: new KDE does not put anything on it... beside hotplugs and that is what deserves to be seen on a desktop.
[12:01] <waspius> Hawkwind: i just wanted to make a different environment
[12:01] <Hawkwind> tomaczec: Sure it does
[12:01] <grothesk> How do I set up a dial up connection?
[12:02] <Hawkwind> waspius: You won't get things on the desktop in IceWM.  That defeats the purpose of a lightweight window manager
[12:02] <tomaczec> Hawkwind: not mine (dapper drake, kubuntu)
[12:02] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok the easiest question..i have downloaded new themes for it..how do i install them?
[12:02] <Hawkwind> tomaczec: If you save something in your ~/Desktop directory, it can/will put it on your desktop.  That's what he is talking about
[12:02] <Hawkwind> waspius: http://icewm.org  and read the docs.  I've never used it.  Also, might join #IceWM
[12:03] <waspius> i did join it but not much help..thanx though
[12:03] <utab> the traffic of this group is not that busy like ubuntu
[12:03] <Hawkwind> waspius: I believe there is an option in the middle click menu for changing themes though
[12:03] <grothesk> Is there something like kinternet in kubuntu?
[12:03] <Hawkwind> utab: It's not intended to be
[12:04] <utab> Hawkwind yes,
[12:04] <waspius> Hawkwind: there is an option but the themes i downloaded went straight to my kde desktop so i do not know how to install them
[12:04] <waspius> i will check the page u gave me though..it might become clearer to me
[12:04] <Hawkwind> waspius: I told you what to do.  Make a directory in your users home directory called 'downloads' and move them there
[12:04] <Hawkwind> waspius: Time to learn the terminal/CLI
[12:05] <utab> Hawkind, do you have any idea why I can not type in KDe
[12:05] <Hawkwind> waspius: You can move those files you downloaded to another directory.  Though the theme manager should be able to search in ~/Desktop for the files
[12:05] <phreakys_> hello
[12:05] <Hawkwind> utab: Bad keyboard ?  Wrong settings in xorg.conf ?
[12:05] <phreakys_> i just installed compiz/xgl, looks wonderful!
[12:05] <utab> Hawkwind but before I did not have any problems
[12:05] <phreakys_> windowborders dissappear though :/
[12:06] <waspius> Hawkwind: ok..so the only way to check my downloads and install them etc is through the konsole not 3d
[12:06] <waspius> ?
[12:06] <utab> Hawkwind I used it without problems today logged in and can not type, magic ;)
[12:06] <tomaczec> utab: before?
[12:06] <utab> Hawkwind yesterday
[12:07] <utab> Hawkwind: this  morning magically sth wrong
[12:07] <tomaczec> utab: you can not type?
[12:07] <utab> Hawkwind: mouse is OK, but can not type
[12:08] <tomaczec> utab: you type fast w/ your mouth.
[12:08] <tomaczec> s/mouth/mouse/