| sabdfl | launchpad list is private, right? | 12:16 |
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| salgado | right | 12:22 |
| sabdfl | kiko: ping | 12:25 |
| lucasvo | is there any feauture planned to have a mailing list per group? | 12:26 |
| sabdfl | lucasvo: yes! would that be useful to you? | 12:29 |
| lucasvo | sabdfl: well, for coordinating efforts and discussion about development I think I would use it once there are more than 2 devs in my team | 12:33 |
| lucasvo | sabdfl: however I think working things out with malone and bazaar have higher priorities | 12:34 |
| sabdfl | agreed | 12:34 |
| lucasvo | (linking bugs to revision #, uploading bzr branches to product branches, and couple of other things) | 12:35 |
| lucasvo | ah yes, and maybe some syntax for bug fixing in ci messages would be cool | 12:35 |
| lucasvo | like: fixes bug # 22 | 12:35 |
| sabdfl | amen, brother | 12:35 |
| lucasvo | sabdfl: sorry, I can't really figure out what amen means in this context. ACK? agreed? | 12:36 |
| sabdfl | very much agreed | 12:36 |
| lucasvo | good to know :0 | 12:36 |
| lucasvo | :) | 12:36 |
| lucasvo | sabdfl: too bad it's not opensource. I started using LP because there were some rumors that it be opensourced. that was, what made me prefer it from trac and SF | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | trac is open source | 12:38 |
| lucasvo | sabdfl: yes, but it doesn't host the projects | 12:38 |
| sabdfl | right | 12:39 |
| lucasvo | not having to deal with svn permissions and making your ISP install trac is a great relief | 12:39 |
| lucasvo | do you (still) have in mind of opensourcing it? | 12:40 |
| sabdfl | yes | 12:40 |
| sabdfl | we want to refactor it and release it chunks at a time | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | it's not that I would want to set it up on my own server, but when I develop free software I want to develop it using free software | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | starting with the infrastructure that makes it possible, so that others can write web infrastructure like this too | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | we have GREAT infrastructure | 12:41 |
| lucasvo | what infrastructure? I've only seen the apache proxy error so far... :) | 12:41 |
| sabdfl | you'll see :-) | 12:42 |
| lucasvo | yeah | 12:42 |
| sabdfl | night all | 12:44 |
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| WebMaven | Added a spec: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/zope3/+bug/56853 | 01:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56853 in zope3 "Make it easier to build Zope3 + MySQL applications" [Unknown,Unknown] | 01:43 |
| WebMaven | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/better-zope3-support | 01:43 |
| WebMaven | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Zope3onUbuntu | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | WebMaven: #launchpad isn't the best place for raising issues about ubuntu development | 02:24 |
| WebMaven | It's more of a Zope3 issue. I thought it would be of interest. | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | it's a request for ubuntu packages | 02:25 |
| WebMaven | Oh, you mean the stuff I pasted earlier. Sorry. OK. | 02:25 |
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| sabdfl | how do i see an OOPS? | 12:47 |
| sivang | sabdfl: hey, I'm trying to see the link you sent me but it's timing out ;-) | 12:49 |
| sabdfl | sivang: any spec listing will show it to you | 12:50 |
| sivang | sabdfl: right, cool, and thanks for the landing! | 12:50 |
| sabdfl | sure, thanks for the code :-) | 12:50 |
| sivang | sabdfl: hrm, can you access staging though? (even front page) | 12:51 |
| sabdfl | https://staging.launchpad.net/+graphics | 12:51 |
| sabdfl | sure | 12:51 |
| sivang | sabdfl: this page partially loads. But Staging just timeouts with an OOPS for me, is this knows / planned ? | 12:55 |
| jamesh | sabdfl: https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/$OOPSID | 12:55 |
| sivang | OOPS-231S15 | 12:55 |
| Ubugtu | https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/231S15 | 12:55 |
| sabdfl | sivang: staging may be under some load, i think there's work under way to open Edgy translations | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | which drives the db server nuts | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | they may be testing that on staging right now | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | jamesh: thanks! | 12:56 |
| sivang | ah right, makes sense, okay. | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | jamesh: great blog on the supermirror stuff | 12:56 |
| jamesh | thanks. | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | i really want that experience to be very slick for people | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | should come down to: | 12:56 |
| sabdfl | bzr branch lp:///python my-branch | 12:57 |
| sabdfl | bzr commit | 12:57 |
| sabdfl | bzr push lp:/[some url indicating my branch] | 12:57 |
| sabdfl | and it should then be visible to everyone, under ~name/product/my-branch | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | with the smart server work by spiv and mpool, i think we can make the whole thing pretty fast | 12:59 |
| sivang | hmm, so each person can become a sort of LP "Instance" holding a world of products , packages, branches and so on of his own ? | 12:59 |
| sivang | well, packages probably fall under PPAs | 12:59 |
| jamesh | yeah | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | sivang: yes | 01:00 |
| jamesh | I wonder if the smart server would be able to automatically use other branches as a basis for the initial push? | 01:00 |
| sivang | cool! | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | i was just thinking the same thing | 01:00 |
| sabdfl | if it remembered the revision that came *from* the supermirror, in metadata, it could use that for the push | 01:00 |
| sivang | and I assume the plan is also to allow that from teams, as they basically could be treated like people ? | 01:01 |
| jamesh | although perhaps doing repositories on the supermirror would get similar benefits | 01:01 |
| sabdfl | it could start the conversation with "hi, i am about to push a branch which started with revision X, and I happen to know you have that" | 01:01 |
| sabdfl | which could then create the repository and allow the new branch push to be really, really fast | 01:02 |
| sabdfl | so, you wouldn't even have to have had a previous push of this product yourself | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | just leverage a repository which can be created because you know which revision you last saw from the SM | 01:04 |
| sabdfl | since revision ID's are uuid's, knowledge of the revid implies knowledge of the branch itself | 01:05 |
| sabdfl | though we should probably enfore branch privacy over and above that | 01:05 |
| sabdfl | mpool: ^ ? | 01:05 |
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| LarstiQ | sabdfl: when aaron's nested trees work is done, you should be able to identify a project by it's root-id | 01:33 |
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| sabdfl | LarstiQ: that's pretty interesting - i'll chat with aaron about that | 01:40 |
| LarstiQ | you still have the problem that everyone who branches off that has the same root-id, but it gives you an idea what branches to look at | 01:41 |
| LarstiQ | but aaron can tell you more :) | 01:42 |
| jamesh | LarstiQ: we have a DB with revision info for all the registered branches, so picking a closest matching branch is not an insurmountable problem | 01:42 |
| jamesh | LarstiQ: just go back in the revision history til you get a match | 01:43 |
| LarstiQ | jamesh: you'll need something more than just push then | 01:45 |
| LarstiQ | or it will be installing old revision first, and that is what you want to speed up | 01:45 |
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| lifeless | sabdfl: the basic approach will be that you ask the smart server what you need to upload | 02:02 |
| lifeless | sabdfl: so it may be possible - we've actually discussed this before | 02:02 |
| lifeless | IIRC we felt it was best to have an explicit 'reuse this branch' api in it, which is not as transparent, but provides plenty of room for optimisation | 02:03 |
| lifeless | LarstiQ: you cant id a project by the root - forked projects will share roots, just like revision ids will, and anyhow a revision id query is almost the same overhead | 02:06 |
| LarstiQ | lifeless: right, I see forks as the same thing, but that has potential for huge mismatches in the revision history | 02:07 |
| lifeless | also, all the existing projects have one root id | 02:07 |
| LarstiQ | there is that small operational problem, yes :) | 02:07 |
| LarstiQ | that is a particular id though? | 02:08 |
| lifeless | yes | 02:08 |
| LarstiQ | would you do a 'related branches:' by traversing the revision-history and looking up who has the same revisions, or would roots (bar the current one) be ok for that? | 02:09 |
| LarstiQ | You'd need the former for branching visualisation anyway | 02:10 |
| lifeless | so the problem with transparent branch cloning is revision pollution | 02:13 |
| LarstiQ | if you use a launchpad wide repository? | 02:14 |
| LarstiQ | or even a user/product wide one | 02:14 |
| lifeless | if we ignore that, its basically a chatter back and forth to determine what revision the bundle to be uploaded should be made against | 02:14 |
| lifeless | which is the exact same chatter that any normal upload to a branch will use | 02:14 |
| LarstiQ | even on dumb transports? | 02:15 |
| lifeless | except that there is no remote initial revision to match against | 02:15 |
| lifeless | no, any normal hpss upload | 02:15 |
| LarstiQ | ok | 02:15 |
| lifeless | but a simple approach is to allow explicit cloning | 02:20 |
| lifeless | 'branch remoteA remoteB, then push --overwrite remoteB' | 02:20 |
| lifeless | I think we can make this seamless within the client for launchpad uploads | 02:20 |
| LarstiQ | how do you determine remoteA? | 02:21 |
| lifeless | query for 20 or 30 revision ids in the lp database, among the branches for the product being uploaded too that you have access to | 02:22 |
| lifeless | the revision ids are exponential backoffs in the rev history | 02:22 |
| lifeless | the tip, tip -5, tip -25, tip -125, tip -625, tip - 3K, tip -15K | 02:23 |
| lifeless | sort of thing | 02:23 |
| lifeless | anyhow, its all worth consideration | 02:25 |
| LarstiQ | ok, that should work when you branch python-trunk and keep the same product when uploading | 02:25 |
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| sabdfl | lifeless: in many cases, the user will branch *from* launchpad and push *to* launchpad | 04:36 |
| sabdfl | so, it should be able to know at least a recent rev-id that is on the server | 04:36 |
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| parsek | is there a shipit channel, or can i ask here about it | 10:49 |
| LarstiQ | you can ask here | 10:56 |
| parsek | do i have to make 2 orders if i want to order kubuntu and ubuntu | 10:57 |
| lucasvo | parsek: yes | 10:57 |
| parsek | does it cost me anything | 10:58 |
| lucasvo | parsek: no | 10:58 |
| parsek | i mean shiping | 10:58 |
| lucasvo | parsek: and they will get shipped together | 10:58 |
| lucasvo | parsek: no | 10:58 |
| parsek | thx | 10:58 |
| lucasvo | just login to shipit.ubuntu.com and afterwards shipit.kubuntu.org | 10:58 |
| parsek | well i`m doing it the other way | 10:59 |
| parsek | does it matter | 10:59 |
| parsek | first kubuntu then ubuntu | 10:59 |
| lucasvo | no | 11:00 |
| parsek | well, i dont know if here is any makers of kubuntu but i have to say that thx for making a great OS (works perfectly even with my 5 year old laptop) and thanks lucasvo | 11:03 |
| parsek | Bye! | 11:04 |
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