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[12:25] <msikma> So guys, which cursors (besides the hand cursors) am I still missing?
[12:25] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/cursorprogress.png
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[02:23] <PingunZ> cool, I just sent my first mail in the art-mailing list :)
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[05:20] <Viper550> Hello everyone!
[05:21] <PingunZ> hi Viper550
[05:22] <Viper550> I just got the new build of the Murrine engine, I love the new glaze style option, looks nice!
[05:24] <Viper550> I'm gonna log back into Gnome to take a new screenshot for the wiki page, brb
[05:24] <PingunZ> screenshot Viper550 ?
[05:24] <PingunZ> ok ;)
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[05:35] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Tropic Screenshot updated
[05:39] <PingunZ> nice
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[05:57] <msikma> http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/loadinggnome.png
[05:57] <msikma> Another splash screen
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[06:08] <msikma> Hey PingunZ, what do you think of this? http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/loadinggnome.png
[06:08] <PingunZ> hmm
[06:08] <PingunZ> msikma, its better than now
[06:08] <msikma> What would you change about it?
[06:08] <PingunZ> but I'd rather see an animated GDM
[06:09] <PingunZ> see, you have your gdm
[06:09] <PingunZ> enter details
[06:09] <PingunZ> and you get this kind of splash on top of the gdm
[06:09] <PingunZ> hmm, hard to explain :)
[06:09] <msikma> I see, but then would the GDM itself change or would the splash simply be tossed on top of it?
[06:10] <PingunZ> the gdm changes
[06:10] <msikma> If that is technically possible, I'd be all for it
[06:10] <PingunZ> :)
[06:10] <msikma> Right now, people first see a GRUB, then they see a usplash loading, and then they enter their password and then they see _another_ loading screen.
[06:10] <msikma> So if it's possible to do something about it, I'm fine with that.
[06:10] <PingunZ> well there is a cheat for it. just take the picture of the gdm and put your animation up there
[06:11] <PingunZ> but I'm not sure if its possible
[06:11] <msikma> That's possible, but it would break when someone'd change the GDM.
[06:11] <msikma> You also need to take into account different resolutions.
[06:11] <PingunZ> hmm
[06:11] <PingunZ> I'll google it
[06:12] <PingunZ> But just a normal splash isnt really a solution
[06:12] <PingunZ> cause ppl dont really like it
[06:12] <PingunZ> ( poll on ubuntuforums )
[06:12] <msikma> If there isn't any other way, then it's the only solution.
[06:12] <msikma> Also, link me to that poll if you still have the link
[06:13] <PingunZ> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=206465&highlight=splash+edgy
[06:13] <PingunZ> there must be another way :)
[06:14] <PingunZ> here is a nice idea too : While loging in you see some kind of animated GDM, while the desktop loads in the background. When it's finished loading, GDM smoothly fades to a fully loaded desktop...
[06:14] <PingunZ> Reply With Quote
[06:15] <PingunZ> hehe, I copied too much :)
[06:17] <msikma> Maybe I should make an animation of that sometime
[06:18] <PingunZ> somekind of xubuntu ?
[06:18] <PingunZ> I'd like to help you with that
[06:20] <PingunZ> msikma I took a look at the source of the xubuntu splash and I edited it slightly
[06:20] <msikma> I haven't seen Xubuntu's splash yet
[06:23] <PingunZ> well, its like a running mice in the xubuntu logo
[06:23] <PingunZ> its animated ;)
[06:24] <PingunZ> I can send it to you msikma :)
[06:24] <msikma> Sure
[06:26] <PingunZ> its not working or anything aight ;)
[06:28] <msikma> Can you send it to me now? I need to go for a while.
[06:28] <PingunZ> hmm
[06:28] <PingunZ> whats your email adress ?
[06:29] <PingunZ> I cant find you on launchpad
[06:29] <msikma> michiel@thingmajig.org
[06:29] <msikma> I'll be back later
[06:29] <msikma> And thanks in advance :)
[06:32] <PingunZ> msikma, its sending
[06:34] <PingunZ> I'm on edgy, unstable firefox and slow internet so it takes a while ;)
[06:37] <PingunZ> sent msikma
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[06:53] <Viper550> PingunZ: You can't do animated splash screens
[06:58] <PingunZ> hmm
[06:58] <PingunZ> he was here 2 seconds ..
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[07:30] <cbx33> hi all
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[08:40] <fschoep> troy_s: ping!
[08:40] <troy_s> there he is!
[08:40] <troy_s> woot.  great timing frank... just speccing... pm me
[08:40] <fschoep> With one problem :)
[08:40] <troy_s> oh no
[08:41] <troy_s> what is it?
[08:41] <fschoep> I'm packing my bags for Wiesbaden right now and in an hour I need to play yet another gig with my band :(
[08:41] <fschoep> I just wanted to see you :)
[08:41] <fschoep> Let's say I've got fifteen minutes, is that cool?
[08:42] <troy_s> Dammit.
[08:42] <troy_s> Yeah sounds great.
[08:42] <fschoep> OK, I PMed you.
[08:42] <fschoep> I see :0
[08:52] <msikma> Hey Frank, any crits on this? http://www.gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/loadinggnome.png
[08:57] <fschoep> msikma: Looking good, although I'm not sure if we can control the placing of the icons and text. I also think the splash can only have 1-bit transparency.
[08:57] <msikma> Pff. Limitations, limitations, limitations...
[08:57] <msikma> And the boot-up background color is always the same?
[08:57] <msikma> Er, *not always the same
[08:58] <fschoep> I'm sorry we have these limitations, maybe I can try and alleviate them or something.
[08:59] <msikma> I'll see if I can get a benevolent developer over at #ubuntu-devel to lurk in here to maybe say those sort of things every now and then.
[08:59] <msikma> Whether something is possible or not
[09:15] <troy_s> Currently, what is possible is quite well documented.
[09:16] <troy_s> Newer concepts will require good speccing and a decent following to implement.
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[09:33] <troy_s> Greetings Pyrotica
[09:38] <Pyrotica> hello
[09:44] <troy_s> New here?
[09:46] <Pyrotica> Yeah, and it's been almost a decade since I've used irc. It's amazing what you forget.
[09:47] <troy_s> indeed...
[09:47] <troy_s> good place for brainstorming however.
[09:47] <troy_s> same for myself... but the Ubuntu devs and such use IRC quite extensively.
[09:48] <Pyrotica> I'm sure. Just taking a look around the ubuntu channels, really. I do enjoy some themeing work, so maybe I will be able to contribute.
[09:48] <troy_s> What aspects of theming are you familiar with?>
[09:48] <Pyrotica> Cut and paste :)
[09:49] <troy_s> Laf.
[09:49] <Pyrotica> most of what I have done was with gdm themes.
[09:49] <troy_s> GTK or Metacity?
[09:49] <troy_s> Ahh yes...
[09:49] <troy_s> The documentation is lacking in that department from what I have found.
[09:49] <troy_s> Although I have managed to get a few airborne.
[09:49] <troy_s> And I have learned some of the internals.
[09:50] <Pyrotica> but all of my gtk and metacity themes have seen the ctrl-x ctrl-v intimatly.
[09:50] <troy_s> laf
[09:50] <Pyrotica> for me it was quite a bit of experimentation.
[09:50] <troy_s> I think that is how it starts for everyone.
[09:51] <Pyrotica> With gdm themes, I started with the dapper login, and the login box stretches wout and looks less than perfect when you have an timed login, and thats where it started.
[09:52] <troy_s> Well the gdm end is largely png based.
[09:52] <Pyrotica> I've probably done a dozen since then, with varing degrees of originality.
[09:52] <troy_s> I have been trying to research a little more on the metacity theming using drawing techniques, but there are some details that are tough to learn.
[09:53] <troy_s> GTK is a nightmare because of the legacy kludges you need to work in.
[09:53] <troy_s> But pretty straightforwards.
[09:53] <Pyrotica> well, the images I could handle, but I was not at all familure with xml when I started.
[09:53] <troy_s> It's nice having it now though, eh?
[09:53] <troy_s> Very nice to be able to look at everything and understand it.
[09:55] <Pyrotica> It's still a little hit and miss sometimes, when you learn it by example, it can make it a little difficult to get the overall picture. the basic rules were easy and the structures great, but when I start trying to place things, well, I do alot of testing.
[09:55] <troy_s> Would you be at all interesting in getting a wiki started?
[09:55] <troy_s> s/interesting/interested
[09:56] <Pyrotica> For gdm theming?
[09:56] <troy_s> Yes.
[09:56] <Pyrotica> Sure.
[09:56] <troy_s> That would be wonderful.
[09:56] <troy_s> You know about this resource I assume:
[09:56] <Pyrotica> I'm not much of a technical writer, but I can try.
[09:57] <troy_s> http://www.coccia.com/blog/index.php?p=51&more=1
[09:57] <troy_s> If you get the information in there, I will happily edit it when I get time.
[09:57] <troy_s> Ubuntu specifics are good
[09:57] <troy_s> http://www.coccia.com/blog/index.php?p=51&more=1
[09:58] <troy_s> GRR
[09:58] <troy_s> not that one...
[09:58] <troy_s> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
[09:58] <troy_s> Those two links are quite a good starting point, and perhaps you can locate something you didn't already know.
[09:59] <Pyrotica> Yes, I have. Both actually. The gnome link is the only reason I managed to package what I had. If you'd like a link I can show you one of my favored one.
[09:59] <Pyrotica> one/ones
[10:00] <troy_s> that would be great if you could add the links to the documentation section
[10:00] <troy_s> in artwork
[10:01] <Pyrotica> I meant a theme, I haven't found any other resources really, other than other themes.
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[10:02] <Pyrotica> Would you want to do this on the ubuntu wiki, or something like a pbwiki?
[10:11] <troy_s> pyrotica -- just make it on the ubuntu wiki
[10:11] <troy_s> under /Artwork/Incoming
[10:11] <troy_s> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming
[10:11] <troy_s> wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Foobar
[10:14] <Pyrotica> alright, let me get in there. I'm making dinner at the moment, so I may have to step away without notice.
[10:14] <Pyrotica> sorry about that.
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[10:24] <kwwii_> hi
[10:24] <Pyrotica> hello.
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