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geseras far as I see it, a sync wouldn't help much12:09
geserfrom http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-osd/gnome-osd_0.11.2-3.diff.gz:12:10
geserDepends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python2.4-dbus (>= 0.60), python-pyorbit-omg, python2.4-pyorbit-omg, python-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2, python-gtk2, python2.4-gtk212:10
geserthe versioned depends on python2.4-dbus is still there12:10
crimsunthat's purportedly a bug in the python policy.12:11
geserin edgy python2.4-dbus is only provided by python-dbus not a real package12:12
crimsunright, you'll just have to remerge it.12:13
crimsunwell, I mucked up the assignment, so I'll handle it.12:14
crimsungeser: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004097.html12:32
bluefoxicy...................................................12:32
bluefoxicyis sounder ubuntu-sounder@ or just sounder@12:33
bluefoxicyI tried google.  Mark Shuttleworth has now confirmed on the ubuntu-sounder mailing list > that he has not eaten a lot of babies.12:33
crimsunsounder@12:33
bluefoxicythanks.12:33
geseris some here familiar with gcj and g++?12:35
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|Prezu|I've just uploaded a Kadu package to REVU, but I forgot to add a "-sa" option to dpkg-buildpackage, so... there's no .orig.tag.gz...12:38
|Prezu|Could someone please help me with that?12:39
crimsunregenerate the _source.changes, and dput -f12:39
|Prezu|crimsun: http://kadu.net/~patryk/tmp/dput.log12:41
|Prezu|crimsun: Do I have to remove existing .dsc with dcut somehow?12:43
crimsunno, just dput -f12:44
ajmitchmorning12:44
crimsunhi ajmitch.12:44
crimsun|Prezu|: ajmitch is a revu admin; he may can help.12:45
ajmitch|Prezu|: if you interrupted the upload, it needs deleted manually12:45
ajmitchdo you want the partial upload removed?12:46
|Prezu|ajmitch: Yes, please. :)12:46
ajmitchdone12:49
|Prezu|thanks. :)12:49
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imbrandonheya everyone01:01
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geserwhen a package needs only a rebuild to get the depends uptodate, all I need to change is the changelog mentioning the rebuild?01:04
Toadstoolg'night01:11
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imbrandongnight Toadstool01:25
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ajmitchimbrandon: how could you?01:38
ajmitchmaking people think that they'll get kde 4 in edgy...01:39
imbrandonhuh ?01:39
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imbrandonajmitch: Riddell said its a possibility in universe for a preview01:39
imbrandonheh, i'll edit it, hold on01:39
imbrandon"just in case"01:40
imbrandonajmitch: heh changed, give it 5 minutes to show up on planet01:41
imbrandonajmitch: what do you have a constant rss notifier for planet ? heh , i couldent have posted that a minute before you said something ;)01:42
ajmitchimbrandon: mugshot01:43
ajmitchpops up on the desktop for fridge & planet articles01:43
imbrandonmugshot ? mine or a program ?01:43
imbrandonahh01:43
imbrandoncool01:43
ajmitchso when will kde 4 be released? 12 months?01:47
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imbrandonheh the final rc should be late oct01:52
ajmitchpeople that file wishlist bugs as specs01:52
ajmitchimbrandon: and how much work still needs done on things like plasma?01:52
imbrandonafaik a ton but a ton has been done too01:52
imbrandonplasma is probably the laste developed so far01:52
=== ajmitch would say late oct is quite ambitious then
imbrandonsolid is lookin good though01:53
imbrandonyea its ambitious all right but i dont think it will be THAT late01:53
ajmitchheh01:53
imbrandonpersonaly i'm thinking by the end of the year01:53
imbrandonjust from what i've seen01:53
ajmitchfrom what I've read, there hasn't been nearly enough done on plasma to release it in ~2 months01:54
imbrandontrue , heh i just knew thats what they "said" on the ML and other places hehehe like i said end of the year is more likely01:54
ajmitchthough kde are probably another project that abuse the term RC01:55
imbrandonhahah yea01:55
imbrandonohh 200th episode of sg-1 is on tongiht01:55
imbrandonlooks like i need to bust out the lappy01:56
imbrandonfskin wireless stoped working on it the other day01:56
ajmitchhaha01:56
imbrandonwell wireless in linux01:56
ajmitchreading the mailing list - no roadmap because of aseigo continually getting asked about status01:56
imbrandonosx still works so its something with the driver i'm sure01:56
imbrandonhahaha01:56
ajmitchseems to be a continual stream of 'are we there yet?' posts on the panel-devel list01:57
imbrandonyea thats why alot of them stoped being anwsered01:58
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imbrandonbut alot of that is becouse there is no set road map01:58
ajmitchwhich aseigo refuses to provide01:58
ajmitchwith good reason, it seems01:59
imbrandonyup, catch 22 thats good i ways ;)01:59
imbrandonin*01:59
ajmitchwho knows, there may be kde 4 in time for edgy+1 then02:00
imbrandonyea i think so02:01
imbrandonit should build fine in edgy ( thats one of our goals is to make it compile clean by edgys release ) but probably wont hit the repos till edgy+102:01
ajmitchyou're still asking for pain02:02
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imbrandonhehe hold on , lemme grab my lappy, show's comming on02:03
imbrandoni ran kde from cvs in the 2.x days02:03
imbrandonon redhat02:03
imbrandonheh02:03
ajmitchyes, I was doing this on mandrake02:03
imbrandoni rember DAYS to compile02:04
imbrandonlol02:04
ajmitchI still have that box here02:04
ajmitchnot that it works02:04
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bddebianHeya gang02:11
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imbrandon_...02:12
bddebianHeya imbrandon02:12
imbrandon_heya bddebian02:13
bddebianshawarma: Still around?02:14
imbrandon_heh i'm in Stargate mode tonight, the "Behind" SG-1 is on right now, and SG-1 200th epsidode is on after that and the new Stargate Atlantis is on after that heh02:15
bddebianOh joy :-)02:15
imbrandon_stargate is almost as good as st:tng ;)02:15
bddebianAnyone have any requests before I get to "work"? :-)02:15
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imbrandon_not i bddebian ;)02:16
bddebianBah, you're no help :-)02:17
ajmitchbddebian: fix the universe02:17
bddebianajmitch: Merges, bugs, what? :-)02:18
bddebiancrimsun: Did you already do openct?02:18
crimsunbddebian: no02:18
bddebianHow do we even stuff in to dapper-updates?02:18
crimsunbddebian: oh, you meant the triaging part? Yes, I did that.02:19
ajmitchtalk to mdz02:19
crimsunI generated a debdiff and subbed ubuntu-release02:19
ajmitchor prepare a well-tested update & subscribe ubuntu-release02:19
bddebiancrimsun: Ah, OK02:19
bddebianthx02:19
ajmitchgetting a response is another matter02:20
bddebianHmm what to do then..02:20
bddebianDamn I swore I already did something with libnss-ldap02:21
ajmitchquite probably02:22
StevenKbddebian: Purged it like the POS it is?02:22
bddebianHeh, no requested a sync or so02:22
bddebianStevenK: Speaking of which, are you going to merge pygtkmvc StevenK?02:22
crimsunhmm, interesting UI change in quod libet 0.2302:22
ajmitchbddebian: bug 5573702:23
UbugtuMalone bug 55737 in libnss-ldap "[Sync Request]  libnss-ldap 251-5" [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5573702:23
bddebianOH yeah, thx ajmitch02:24
bddebianajmitch: How did you find that rejected bug?  When I did a search for bugs on libnss-ldap it didn't show up02:28
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ajmitchsimple02:28
ajmitchthe little link that says 'All bugs ever reported'02:29
bddebianUhm.. hmm02:30
bddebianOh02:31
bddebianHmm, I wonder why she rejected xbvl?02:31
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StevenKbddebian: I'd like to, but it was NMU'd, which makes it harder.02:45
StevenKbddebian: It can probably be synced, but 0.9.2-1.1 < 0.9.2-1ubuntu102:45
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welshbytebddebian: well suggestions are welcome :)02:48
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bddebianwelshbyte: See if you can package a newer gnu-smalltalk from upstream? :-)02:49
bddebianOK, what am I doing wrong here? dpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 > 0.9.2-1ubuntu102:49
ajmitch> is special02:50
ajmitchyou just created a file called 0.9.2-1ubuntu102:50
welshbytehehe02:50
bddebianOh yeah, hehe02:50
welshbytebddebian: sounds like a challenge... *gulp*02:50
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bddebianajmitch: OK, how do I grab what --compare-versions outputs?02:51
StevenKdpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 gt 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 && echo 'yes'02:52
StevenKOr use a shell that actually tells you when things exit non zero.02:52
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog02:52
StevenKzsh: exit 1     grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog02:52
bddebianStevenK: Well according to that -1.1 is gt 1ubuntu102:53
ajmitchbddebian: which is what StevenK said several minutes ago02:53
ajmitchactually no02:53
StevenKI tested this before, I'm sure of it.02:54
StevenKMaybe it was for a different NMU.02:54
bddebianWell I didn't think 1.1 was lt 1ubuntu102:54
bddebianBut I'm not so smart ya know02:54
ajmitchcharacter strings are meant to be less than nearly everything02:54
StevenKbddebian: Anyway, you're right, I'll look it soonish.02:54
bddebianNP02:55
StevenKat it, damn it all02:55
bddebianStevenK: And what about inn2?02:56
StevenKWhich doesn't appear on the MoM page.02:57
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bddebianinn2?02:57
StevenKHeh, I don't remember merging/syncing inn2.02:57
bddebianhehe02:57
bddebianI can look at it if you want02:58
welshbytebddebian: were you referring to bug #887 ?02:58
UbugtuMalone bug 887 in gnu-smalltalk "blox-tk was not built because of bad tkConfig.sh" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/88702:58
bddebianwelshbyte: Well sort of.  That actually needs a rebuilt tcl8.3 or some such.  I just noticed that gnu-smalltalk is out of date in Debian and Ubuntu02:58
welshbyteah i see02:59
StevenKbddebian: I'm more than happy to, but I'd just like to know why you know it needs looking at.02:59
bddebianStevenK: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html03:00
StevenKAh.03:01
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bddebianAck, it hasn't been updated since hoary03:03
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bddebianHi Hobbsee03:07
bddebianHobbsee: Why did you reject your xbvl sync request?03:07
Hobbseehi bddebian03:07
Hobbseebddebian: ah, because at the time, it ftbfs, iirc?03:07
bddebianHmm, OK03:07
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Hobbseebddebian: did you make it build?03:07
bddebianHobbsee: I didn't try yet because you had requested it :-)03:08
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bddebianIf debian-edu is 0.806 is 0.806-0ubuntu1 appropriate or 0.806ubuntu1 as dholbach did?03:16
Hobbseebddebian: ah yes, but i hit reject03:17
welshbyteif it came from debian then i guess it ould be thought of as 0-0.806 with the 0- chopped off so i'd go with 0.806ubuntu1 :)03:18
welshbytes/ould/could/03:18
Hobbseebddebian: it's annoying to do it that way03:18
bddebianHobbsee: Which way?03:19
Hobbseebddebian: it messes with the version numbers, for the next sync03:19
Hobbsee0.806ubuntu103:19
Hobbseeseeing as u will beat -03:19
Hobbseeso the debian version cant be synced across, as the ubuntu version is newer03:19
Hobbseeunless it moves to 0.80703:19
ajmitchwhich is likely03:19
Hobbseetrue that03:20
ajmitchsince it's intended to be a native package03:20
bddebianWell it will never be syncable anyway since it uses Debian sources.lists :-)03:20
bddebianSo, what's the consensus, 0.806ubuntu1?03:20
Hobbseebddebian: ah right, that's okay then03:21
Hobbseebddebian: why not send our changes to them?03:22
Hobbseemaybe send our apt-setup to them :P03:22
Hobbseeoh dear, a lot more people running ubuntu now :P03:22
FujitsuHaha.03:22
bddebianHow the hell does bluefoxicy pass me on Top Contributors?  Does he actually contribute anything? ;-P03:22
Hobbseeheh03:23
Hobbseebddebian: i think i beat you too?03:23
Hobbseeit's probably on crack though.03:23
bluefoxicybddebian:  when the hell DO I contribute anything03:24
bddebianbluefoxicy: That's what I'm asking :-)03:24
bddebianHobbsee: What's on crack?03:25
Hobbseebddebian: those stats03:25
bddebianAh03:25
Hobbseebddebian: i dont remember who did them, but they warned at the time, that hte first version was a bit crazy, and likely wasnt right03:25
Hobbseeit looks like bits have been added to it now though03:25
bddebianHobbsee: Are you implying that it isn't possible that I'm ahead of you? :-)03:27
Hobbseebddebian: no, not at all :P03:27
bddebianI don't even know who Jeff Bailes is :-)03:28
welshbyteis feature freeze the deadline for syncing from debian or universe freeze?03:29
ajmitchuniverse freeze03:30
ajmitchafter that you need exceptions for new upstream releases03:30
welshbytegood good03:30
=== Hobbsee wonders what the purpose of feature freeze is then.
Hobbseeoh yeah, fo rmain03:30
ajmitchyes, the important parts of the distro, where features generally get developer time03:31
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bddebianHobbsee: Ah yes, xbvl wants GLw and we don't ship those anymore..03:34
bddebianHow can you figure out what FEATURES are available to /configure --disable-FEATURE ?03:35
ajmitchlook in configure.ac or configure.in03:36
bddebianAye but what do I look for?03:36
Hobbseebddebian: that's the one03:36
ajmitchstuff03:36
bddebianWow, thx03:36
Hobbseeheh03:36
Hobbseeuseful03:36
ajmitchseriously, just have a look03:37
bddebianBut what am I looking FOR?03:37
welshbyte"--disable"03:38
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HobbseeGLw?03:38
Hobbsee:P03:38
bddebianWell GLw gets added if MESA is enabled, it's not seperate afaict03:38
Hobbseeguess you shouldnt disable mesa?03:39
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bddebianI was wondering about that03:40
bddebianI thought about just removing -lGLw but I am not quite sure what that would break03:40
crimsunbddebian: / bluefoxicy: spec-tracking.03:48
bddebianAh, well for Edgy+1 I'm doing nothing but specs.. ;-P03:48
crimsunwhat's the problem with GLw?03:49
bddebianThey were removed from the mesa-swx package in main03:50
bluefoxicyoh03:50
bluefoxicyyeah03:50
bluefoxicyI actually have like 6 specs I didn't actually submit as specs03:50
bluefoxicybecause I'm quite well aware it won't happen.03:51
bluefoxicyalso tseng will come to my house and nail me to the wall03:51
bddebianSweet, can I watch :-)03:51
crimsunbddebian: mesa now provides libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev and mesa-swx11-source03:51
bluefoxicywith a hammer and nails >.>03:51
bluefoxicygeeze bddebian :P03:51
crimsunbluefoxicy: just remind him of BdDebianIsAGod.03:51
bddebiancrimsun: Aye but the GLw lib files were removed03:52
crimsunit's humourous, because everything he does contradicts his protests. :-p03:52
bluefoxicyheh03:52
bddebiancrimsun: What?03:52
bddebianMy protests?03:52
bluefoxicycrimsun:  i'm thinking of looking to see if there's a fast reboot/kexec spec yet03:52
tsengh/me wakes up03:53
bluefoxicyif you saw my post on -devel@03:53
crimsunbddebian: e.g., your current karma rank as a Ubuntu contributor nullifies your claim that you don't do anything03:53
bddebianbluefoxicy: Why not build or fix some packages instead?03:53
tsengi am too busy upgrading my 770 to fool around with bluefoxicy03:53
bddebianHeya tseng03:53
tsenghi03:53
bddebiancrimsun: Well apparently I don't do anything "worthwhile"03:53
tseng770 rules03:53
bluefoxicyuh03:53
bluefoxicyI am not even going to try to read what he just said.03:53
crimsunbddebian: except for hoard karma points ;-p03:54
bluefoxicybddebian:  I do stuff like http://lwn.net/Articles/192082/ to try to get useful stuff on the devs' screens :P03:54
bluefoxicyand let them figure out how to make it happen03:55
bddebiancrimsun: Oh yeah, that's worhtwhile04:02
bddebianSo are Mesa and OpenGL different "things" or is Mesa an implementation of the OpenGL standard?04:03
tsengmesa is a version of opengl04:04
tsengin software04:04
ajmitchthat can use DRI for hardware acceleration04:04
ajmitchunlike nvidia who decide to supply a full GL implementation with their drivers04:05
tseng(nvidia-glx)04:05
bluefoxicymesa is opengl using whatever's around.  If nothing's around it uses software.04:05
bluefoxicyon various platforms Mesa uses various things; on Linux, it uses DRI in X.04:05
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bddebianAh, thx04:07
bluefoxicyHopefully somebody standardizes some sort of OpenGL "is this feature here" function like in DirectX04:08
bddebianSacriledge :-)04:08
bluefoxicyOpenGL is super-abstract.  If a feature isn't around, it emulates it in software.04:09
bddebianshawarma: You really there or just a re-connect?04:09
bluefoxicyYou can never know if a feature isn't there04:09
bluefoxicyso you just shoot and hope you hit hardware instead of software.04:09
bluefoxicydirectX has a command that lets you ask it if a particular feature is available; if it's not, then you can work around it, just not enable it04:09
bddebianDamnit, it actually uses GLw functions :-(04:10
bddebiansudo rm -rf xbvl04:11
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ajmitchexcellent, more broken backports04:16
ajmitchhow I hate it what that happens04:16
ajmitchnexu: no, it's not your fault this time - in this case it's compiz-related :)04:17
nexulol04:17
ajmitchsomeone decided it'd be a great idea to backport vte04:18
ajmitchexcept there's an SONAME change, which breaks any app that uses it04:18
Yagisannice.04:19
Gloubiboulgaso this is what breaks synaptic04:19
bddebianHeya Gloubiboulga04:19
YagisanI thought backports are supposed to be tested first04:19
ajmitchGloubiboulga: yep04:19
ajmitchYagisan: third-party backports04:19
Gloubiboulgathere's been a lot of "bug reports" in the fr community04:19
Gloubiboulgahello bddebian04:19
Yagisanajmitch, ah, like if someone is dumb and grabs my mplayer for dapper04:20
bddebianI wonder if janimo would get upset if I tried xfce4-goodies04:21
Yagisanajmitch, complete with inablity to play dvds ;)04:21
Gloubiboulgabddebian, go ahead04:21
tsenghello Yagisan04:21
welshbytebddebian: did we fix bug #43359 yesterday?04:21
UbugtuMalone bug 43359 in prismstumbler "no man page" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4335904:21
crimsunbddebian: if you break it, I'll kill ALL your cows.04:22
YagisanG'day tseng04:22
bddebianwelshbyte: Yes, did I not close that one?04:22
welshbytebddebian: still on "confirmed"04:22
bddebianwelshbyte: Ah, please close04:22
bddebianHeya bmonty04:23
bmontyhey bddebian04:23
bddebiancrimsun: Fine I won't touch it then, thanks04:23
Yagisanhey guys, is there an idiots guide to contest so I can add some amd boxes to the Optimised kernel thread ?04:27
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bddebianOK obviously popplerkit.framework is fsckd04:30
FujitsuYay for fscked things.04:30
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crimsun15:41 < bddebian> FIX IT! :-)04:30
crimsunso bddebian, fix it.04:31
FujitsuAnybody got an idea why my Dell Inspiron 630m's CD drive won't automount when inserted, nor detect an audio CD at all?04:31
FujitsuSilly Edgy...04:31
FujitsuWorks fine with Hoary->Dapper.04:31
crimsundid you disable the automount options in g-v-m (presume you're using gnome)?04:32
FujitsuNo, they're all enabled, and yes I'm using Gnome :)04:32
FujitsuI don't use the CD drive much, so I didn't notice when it broke.04:33
bddebiancrimsun: I was looking but afaict it's gone from upstream :-(04:33
welshbytebddebian: um, looks like the man page doesn't get installed... doesn't dh_installman need to be told which file to install?04:35
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bddebianwelshbyte: Uhm yeah.  In my excitement I think I forgot to actually install it :-(04:43
FujitsuIt seems that gstreamer 0.10 has issues with reading audio CDs, whereas 0.8 works fine... Presumably 0.10 utilises some part of the thing that's not detecting the CDs, whereas 0.8 doesn't...04:45
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welshbytebddebian: oh well, no harm done :)04:47
welshbyteright i'm off to bed, good night all04:48
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bddebianWTH is diff --git ?05:17
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lwyliehello everyone05:27
bddebianHello lwylie05:29
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bddebianGgaaaahhh05:32
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bddebianajmitch: C'mon man, I need help :-(05:40
ajmitchthen ask a question05:40
bddebianI did05:40
bddebianWTH is diff --git ?05:40
ajmitchand you mentioned that it was from debian/patches05:41
bddebian tulip has .diff files in debian/patches that start with diff --git which isn't even a valid option05:41
ajmitchwhich implies that it's in the patch header, and is ignored when applying patches05:41
ajmitchso what is the actual problem?05:41
bddebianI need to add a patch and I'm not sure how to do it05:41
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ajmitchso where do you see this? in current edgy source, or debian?05:43
bddebianLatest debian05:43
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ajmitchah yes, changelog does have the details05:45
ajmitchgrab stgit05:46
ajmitchthough you can probably manage fine just creating a patch the usual way05:46
ajmitchpatches seem to be applied already, and are in debian/patches just for documenting the changes05:47
ajmitchit doesn't appear that the maintainer ships the necessary git tree05:48
bddebianAye, I was just reading the bug05:50
bddebianApparently they are supposed to be packaging 2.0.5 EVENTUALLY so I may bag off of it05:50
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ajmitchwhich I should really add to mine05:51
bddebian:-)05:52
bddebianDamnit, now I'm demotived :-(05:52
bddebianSorry to bug you ajmitch05:52
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bddebianGnight folks06:50
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PlugHi all07:44
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ajmitchhi Plug07:47
Plugyou're the only person whos ever awake here in NZST :)07:47
PlugI'm just heading out for the evening, but anyone interested in PPTP might want to have a look at http://craig.dubculture.co.nz/blog/07:47
Plugi'm in the process of pushing it towards REVU tomorrow, all goign well07:48
ajmitch'out for the evening' means off to watch the rugby? :)07:48
Plugnot really, going to a bbq.  unsure if the rugby will be on, I don't care all that much about the sport personally07:48
PlugCricket is where my head is at07:48
StevenKOh, that reminds me.07:48
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ajmitchPlug: yeah, might as well push it to REVU07:49
ajmitchit'll be easier to check over then07:49
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Arbiterheya all!09:01
Arbiteri'm finally back from my 21-days vacation :)09:01
imbrandonwb Arbiter09:08
imbrandonheya TheMuso09:08
Arbiter:)09:11
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imbrandonajmitch or StevenK care to look over http://pastebin.ca/138530 before i submit it to my DD to check again09:20
imbrandon( or if your feeling like it go ahead and sponsor me LOL )09:21
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imbrandonwb Hobbsee09:23
ArbiterHobbsee!!! :D09:23
Burgundaviahey Hobbsee09:24
Hobbseehey imbrandon, Arbiter :)09:24
Hobbseehi Burgundavia :)09:24
sladenBurgundavia: give us the low-down on Ubucon09:25
Arbiteruhm... kdocker was approved but not added to the NEW queue09:25
sladenBurgundavia: what's happening today?09:25
Burgundaviasladen: it was good and will be good tomorrow. I will blog tomorrow09:25
Burgundaviawe talked09:25
BurgundaviaJane gave out tshirts. Drank free google beer09:25
Arbiterah... uhm... a build failure...09:25
imbrandonBurgundavia: nice09:25
Burgundaviawhip|lwe talked about large deployments09:25
HobbseeArbiter: heh.  that'd be why09:25
Burgundaviagoogle has nice headquarters09:26
imbrandondid whip|lwe finaly blog ?09:26
Burgundavianot yet09:26
imbrandonhehe ;)09:26
Burgundaviahe has gone to bed09:26
sladenBurgundavia: what do the new t-shirts look like?09:26
Burgundaviaon the front, ubuntu logo over the name09:26
Burgundaviaon the back "Do you Ubuntu?'09:26
ArbiterHobbsee: i'll try the build in an updated pbuilder09:26
BurgundaviaI got asked in the bar last night about what ubuntu was09:26
=== imbrandon wants a T ;)
Burgundaviathey are a light tan colour09:27
imbrandonhahah cool Burgundavia09:27
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sladenBurgundavia: "wanna find out, nudge, nudge, wink, wink"09:27
HobbseeArbiter: you mean you werent already?09:27
Burgundaviagiven I was seriously pissed, I have no idea if I was coherent09:27
ArbiterHobbsee: yup09:27
imbrandonlol09:27
HobbseeArbiter: what was the build log?09:27
Arbiteri've alredy tested it in pbuilder09:27
Hobbsees/what/where/?09:27
sladen"it's like a pirate copy of MS Windows, but legal.  BTW, *you* are legal, aren't you?"09:28
Arbiterbut i didn't have that problem (read kdocker comments)09:28
Burgundaviaand then mdz sang with the transexual bar singer09:28
Burgundaviait was great09:28
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Arbiteri can't reproduce that error.... my last build in the pbuilder environment worked09:29
sladenBurgundavia: got any memories from the Penguin Bowl?09:29
Burgundaviayes, we handed Novell their asses. It was hilarious09:29
sladenBurgundavia: any favourite questions?  Or can you remember the final score?09:29
Burgundavia25000k to 21000k09:29
Burgundaviathey did well in the final question09:29
Burgundaviait was 14000 to 9000 going into that one09:30
Burgundaviathe novell guys were shocked whip|lwe and I were community members09:30
imbrandonyea thats what whip|lwe said earlier09:30
sladenBurgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free?09:30
Burgundaviano idea09:31
imbrandonlol09:31
Burgundaviamalcolm was brilliant09:31
Burgundaviahe got all the old scifi questions09:31
Burgundaviaplus we got all the novell questions09:31
Burgundaviaincluding the "what does Suse stand for"09:31
imbrandonheh09:31
imbrandonlol09:31
Burgundaviaand the "what is not a Novell linux product?"09:31
imbrandonwhat DOES it stand for ?09:32
ArbiterHobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=280109:32
sladenBurgundavia: did they manage to get "what does 'Ubuntu' mean"?09:32
Burgundaviaimbrandon: software and something09:32
Burgundaviasladen: hmm, don't remember if they asked such a question09:32
sladenBurgundavia: well, you did have mdy on the team, I think he'd know a bit about Suse ;-)09:32
Burgundaviadid have a mark one09:32
Burgundaviajust a tad09:32
sladenBurgundavia: what was the Mark one?09:32
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Burgundaviamdy also got the os/2 questions, have worked as product manager on it09:32
Burgundaviawho is this man09:32
HobbseeArbiter: looks like bddebian's pbuilder is borked - it should be building with fakeroot09:32
Burgundaviaoh, and then there is a the Ipod dance09:33
BurgundaviaI got the steve jobs question right "who is this man: picture"09:33
nixternal[02:30]  <sladen> Burgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free?09:33
imbrandonheh09:33
nixternalmy family thinks im nuts for this ;)09:33
Burgundaviathen for the bonus we got "steve jobs turtlenecks" and had to dance the ipod dance09:33
Burgundaviayou know, the black silohuette one09:33
imbrandonhahahah09:33
sladenBurgundavia: oh, not the Steve Balmer one?09:33
Burgundaviano, no ballmer questions09:34
imbrandonno one thew chairs ? heh09:34
Burgundaviabut they did have the gates quote about os/2 "this is the most significant os in our time"09:34
imbrandonthrew*09:34
Burgundaviamdy got that one09:34
BurgundaviaI missed the Serenity/Firefly question "what is the name of this ship"09:34
Burgundaviawhich apparently nobody is letting me live down09:34
imbrandonouch09:34
sladen"firefly" ?09:35
imbrandontv show09:35
BurgundaviaI said Firefly .... :(09:35
Burgundaviaus sci fi series, very good09:35
ArbiterHobbsee: uhm? so it's a bddebian's problem?09:35
HobbseeArbiter: i'd say so09:35
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=== Hobbsee might test build that here.
Burgundaviasladen: at least you didn't answer the question wrong out in front of 100+ people and a video camera09:35
Hobbseeimbrandon: your machine stil building?09:36
Burgundaviathere is a video somewhere09:36
Arbiteri did 3 pbuilder builds (i use fakeroot) and it works09:36
=== Burgundavia wonders if I should be telling you this
imbrandonHobbsee: yup kde4 is takin forever, probably will be building all night09:36
Burgundaviaanyway, I need to crash, I am tired and it is 1am09:36
Burgundaviasorry for taking over the channel09:36
imbrandonBurgundavia: hehe cool later09:36
Arbiteri have a kdocker .deb produced by pbuilder09:36
=== imbrandon wants to see some video of ubuntu crushing novell
sladenBurgundavia: fantastic.  Sleep well!  Happy Ubuconning09:36
Hobbseeimbrandon: cool, okay09:37
HobbseeBurgundavia: of course you should09:37
Arbitermaybe i need to update the pbuilder... wait a sec...09:37
imbrandoni can test build on my lappy ( as long as it compiles on ppc though )09:37
imbrandonwhat ya need tested ?09:38
Arbitermhmhmh09:38
Hobbseeimbrandon: nothing.  test build09:38
=== Hobbsee will build locally
Arbiterbuild fails with an updated pbuilder env...09:39
ArbiterARGH!09:39
Arbiter:P09:39
Arbiter(my last build was 24 days ago)09:39
HobbseeArbiter: heh.  i hate that.09:40
HobbseeArbiter: i believe that's pitti's, or someone else's bug09:40
Arbitermaybe a buildd bug?09:40
Arbiter(i don't know)09:41
FujitsuPitti's or somebody else's? How descriptive :P09:41
Arbiterheh :)09:41
HobbseeFujitsu: bddebian was talking about that yesterday09:41
Hobbseei dont remember who did that bug09:41
ajmitchArbiter: it's a broken makefile in your package, not a broken pbuilder or buildd09:41
Hobbseeah09:42
=== Hobbsee remembers seeing something similar in another of bddebian's builds
Arbiterajmitch: broken makefile? my 23-days-old edgy pbuilder environment compiled the package with no problems09:43
Arbiteri have a .deb file created by pbuilder after a successful build09:44
Arbiternow i update my pbuilder env and the package doesn't build09:45
imbrandonArbiter: what error do you get on build, i just updated my pbuilder to make sure it iwas upto date and everything compiled fine09:46
imbrandondpkg-deb: building package `kdocker' in `../kdocker_1.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.09:47
Arbitersame error as bddebian...09:47
imbrandondosent know what bddebian got09:47
Arbitermkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/applications': Permission denied09:48
Arbitermake[1] : *** [install_desktop]  Error 109:48
Arbiterblah blah blah09:48
FujitsuSounds like it's not using fakeroot.09:48
Arbiter(blah blah blah => more error messages)09:48
imbrandonsounds like no fakeroot in the pbuilder env09:48
ArbiterI: using fakeroot in build.09:48
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Fujitsufakeroot's broken?09:48
Arbiterdon't know... :(09:49
ajmitchthe build log for a successful build shows it sticking the file in the wrong place anyway09:49
ajmitchso no matter whether the build succeeds or fails, it needs fixed09:49
Arbiteraw..09:49
crimsunI'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to be able to see the checkboxes and accept and reject submissions on the edgy queue.09:50
imbrandoncrimsun: heh09:50
imbrandonmight poke them in #lp09:50
imbrandon;)09:50
Arbiterfound09:50
Arbiterdesktop.path = /usr/share/applications09:50
Arbiterin kdocker.pro09:51
Arbiterpfff :D09:51
Arbiterpatch patch patch! :D09:51
Hobbseecrimsun: hah.  i suspect not09:51
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Arbiterkdocker fixed10:11
HobbseeArbiter: yay :)10:12
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Goshawkhi10:13
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Arbiter;)10:13
Arbiterhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2907 <- fixed kdocker10:16
Arbiterit should work now :)10:16
Goshawk why the file /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh is part of lsb-base in ubuntu ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_contents.pl?version=edgy&arch=amd64&case=insensitive&word=lsb-base&searchmode=filelist ) while in debian it's part of the package usplash? ( http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=usplash&version=unstable&arch=amd64 )10:17
Goshawki'm saying that because that /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh contains functions just to help usplash10:18
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imbrandonbrandon@voyager:~/sunuo$ mcs --version10:19
imbrandonMono C# compiler version 1.1.16.110:19
imbrandongah10:19
Arbiter?10:20
imbrandondident mean to paste in here10:20
Arbiter:10:20
Arbiterehm10:20
Arbiter:)10:20
ajmitchcrimsun: don't worry, you can see it but it's not plugged in10:21
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Toadstool'morning10:42
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Tonio_hello*11:20
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PrezuI've uploaded Kadu package to REVU yesterday, but it hasn't appeared since now. No info on motu-reviewers@tauware.de neither. Is it normal? This is my first contribution to Ubuntu.11:40
ajmitchdepends - are you in the launchpad group, and did you ask a revu admin about syncing the keyring?11:42
Prezuajmitch: I'm have an account on launchpad. but I haven't ask a revu admin about a key syncing.11:44
Prezuajmitch: Are You speaking about this? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join because I'm already a member of this group.11:47
ajmitchyes11:48
ajmitchand then you needed to ask a revu admin11:48
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Prezuajmitch: I can see, that You're a REVU admin. Could You please sync the keyring? :)11:51
=== ajmitch was already doing so when telling you about it
Prezuajmitch: Thanks a lot. :) Do I have to upload with dput again?11:54
ajmitchno11:54
Prezuajmitch: Ok. Thanks agani. Bye then. :)11:54
ajmitchif you look on revu now you'll see the package listed11:54
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imbrandonajmitch: whats mugshot part of ?11:59
imbrandonsudo apt-cache search mugshot11:59
imbrandonshows nothing11:59
ajmitchmugshot.org11:59
imbrandonoh heh11:59
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Hobbseecrimsun: any idea why i would get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21066?12:19
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Hobbseeargh12:56
Hobbseehow do i get around this?12:56
HobbseeUpload package to host ubuntu12:56
HobbseeChecking Signature on .changes12:56
Hobbseegpg: Signature made Sat 19 Aug 2006 05:54:54 AM CDT using DSA key ID 7D2BCE8512:56
Hobbseegpg: Can't check signature: public key not found12:56
HobbseeError verifying signature on /home/hobbsee/merges/gnunet_0.7.0e-2ubuntu1_source.changes.12:56
Hobbseeoh12:56
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Hobbseefound it :)12:56
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AnAntmay someone clear a bad upload that I made12:57
AnAntkchmviewer12:57
HobbseeAnAnt: ajmitch: or siretart can12:57
Hobbseehi \sh12:57
\shgood morning motus :) hey Hobbsee :)12:58
DarkMageZhow would i add a repository to my pbuilder setup?12:59
HobbseeDarkMageZ: add it to /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list and run sudo pbuilder update --override-config12:59
DarkMageZty Hobbsee :)12:59
=== Hobbsee wonders why DarkMageZ wants to do this
\shajmitch: awake?01:00
=== DarkMageZ is backporting edgy's gstreamer to dapper
\shbtw..I'm close to uploading latest wine packages...01:00
DarkMageZand requires the newer libgstreamer-dev which i compiled to build one of the other packages01:00
\shneed to change my laptops in a few :)01:01
DarkMageZi have my own local repo :)01:01
DarkMageZhmm, very odd.. apt.config/sources.list doesn't exist01:02
AnAntwhat is apt.config ?01:03
AnAntshould autoconf be run before or after automake ?01:04
HobbseeDarkMageZ: ah01:04
ajmitch\sh: yes?01:04
Hobbseeright, so you didtn follow the pbuilder guide...01:04
\shajmitch: are you still in NZ? :)01:05
ajmitch\sh: yes01:05
DarkMageZi followed http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html01:05
\shajmitch: I'll query you :)01:05
AnAntajmitch: could you delete  a bad upload that I made , kchmviewer01:05
DarkMageZmight not have been correctly, but i followed it :)01:05
ajmitchAnAnt: done01:05
AnAntthanks01:06
AnAntisn't the recover in REVU going to be fixed ?01:11
\shI wonder where the laptoptestingteam page disappeared and why01:13
FujitsuDid it?01:14
FujitsuIt was there an hour ago...01:14
FujitsuIt's there...01:15
\shyesterday evening it was gone01:16
FujitsuLaptopTestingTeam on the wiki, you mean?01:18
\shyes...01:18
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siretartHobbsee: huh?01:51
Hobbseesiretart: dont worry, it got fixed :)01:51
siretartHobbsee: okay01:52
=== \sh is taking a nap and uploads new wine this evening...
\shcu later02:01
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phanaticafternoon02:45
FujitsuHi phanatic.02:47
phanatichi Fujitsu02:47
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zulimbrandon: pong03:51
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imbrandonhey , umm that was a few hours ago , let me rember what i needed ;)03:51
imbrandonheh ;)03:51
zula big hug03:51
imbrandon;P03:51
zulheh03:51
zuli just woke up03:52
jpatricks/hug/bug03:52
imbrandoni should realy use knotes lol03:52
zulor you could just remember03:52
imbrandoni've been at the keyboard ~12 hours , heh03:52
zullemme guess something xen related03:52
imbrandonyea it was, just dont rember what heh03:52
zulsomething amd64 related03:53
imbrandonnope03:53
imbrandonhavent formated the 64 yet03:53
imbrandoni will to that sunday probably03:53
zulokie dokie03:53
imbrandonhrm what was that wiki link again with the basic setup ? i might try to conver this box today03:54
imbrandonconvert*03:54
imbrandongot nothing better to do while i wait for kde to compile03:54
imbrandonlol03:54
imbrandonoh i rember , how hard is it to setup a DIFFRENT distro ( non debian based  ) on a DomU domain03:55
imbrandonif possible at all03:55
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zulwhich distro?03:56
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imbrandongentoo / suse03:57
imbrandonsuse first probably03:57
zulgentoo is not that hard you can use xen-tools in universe i think there is a tool out there fro suse03:57
imbrandoncool, ok yea i think i'm gonna start converting this box to xen based now and try ti out, worse case i bork it and format ;)03:58
imbrandonno loss ;)03:58
zulbesides im always around for help03:59
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imbrandontrue ;)03:59
zulwell most of the time03:59
imbrandonSysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up03:59
zul...before i go see snakes on a plane03:59
imbrandonheh03:59
imbrandonsudo apt-get install xen-* LOL04:00
zulyeah i should do a meta-package04:00
zulim playing with 2.6.18-rc4 this weekend though04:01
imbrandongah there are 15 wiki pages with xen in the name, what one is it04:01
zulXenonEdgy04:01
imbrandonif you just want to make a meta of the packages needed from on the wiki i can help with that04:01
imbrandonwould give you time to mess with the "meat" ;)04:02
zulok that would be good04:02
imbrandonbefore i start are the version numbers listed on the wiki upto date ? or should i just grab the latest version in the repo ?04:03
zullatest version04:03
imbrandonIE xen-hypervisor-3.0-i38604:03
imbrandonok04:03
imbrandonpae is for amd64 chips running in 32bit mode right ?04:04
zuli believe so04:04
imbrandonyea04:05
zulgrrr...i hate kernel makefiles sometimes04:05
imbrandonheh04:05
zulif you dont remember to change it, if you  do a fakeroot debian/rules clean it removes the debian/directory04:06
imbrandonugh -4 -5 -6 all are in the repo , dont those get purged ?04:06
zulyeh04:06
zul8 is latest04:06
imbrandonxen-image-xen0-2.6.16-6-686 shows as the latest to me04:07
zulgrrr...04:07
imbrandondid the other not ftbs04:07
zulyeah..04:07
zulamd64 problems04:07
zulill have a fix uploaded today04:07
imbrandonhehe np04:08
imbrandoni can still get it working with this and upgrade later04:08
zultrue..04:08
zullemme see if i have -8 lying around ill put it somewhere for you04:09
zulx86 correct?04:09
imbrandonyup04:09
zulgimme a sec.04:09
imbrandonon the box i'm doing this on here are the specs04:09
imbrandon[08:59]  <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up04:09
zul.ok04:09
zulgr i dont ill upload one for you04:10
zuler...i mean ill upload the fix later today04:10
imbrandonnp ;)04:10
imbrandoni'm in no rush ;)04:10
zulgood ;)04:11
imbrandonmkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-6-686 2.6.16-6-68604:11
imbrandonerr04:11
zulhmm?04:12
imbrandonpasted wrong window04:12
imbrandonhrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file )04:17
imbrandoneverything else so far went smooth04:18
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imbrandonhrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file )04:18
imbrandonzul: ^^04:18
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bddebianHeya gang04:20
imbrandonheya04:20
bddebianHi imbrandon04:21
Nafallohi bddebian04:21
bddebianHi Nafallo04:21
Nafalloso how's it going?04:22
bddebianJust bueno. You?04:22
Nafallonot much. trying to figure out which pizza I want :-P. woke up with an awful headache, otherwise I would still be on work now.04:23
bddebianHangover? :-)04:24
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Nafallonope04:30
Nafallosickness or something :-(04:30
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Nafallohave been home all week, after having to leave early last tuesday.04:31
bddebianBummer :-(04:31
Nafalloindeed04:34
Nafallobut I got paid yesterday so :-P04:34
bddebian:-)04:34
Nafallohave bought computerparts for more than a 1/3 of what I got the same day I got them ;-)04:34
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Nafallowell, atleast my server will have new big chassi, more harddrives, more fans and 2 100Mbit 3Com and 1 1Gbit 3Com NICs ;-)04:35
Nafallohttp://www.nafallo.info/~nafallo/stacker.pdf <-- the chassi FWIW ;-)04:37
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bddebianMan that is taking forever to download..04:41
Nafallohmm, maybe http should have more prio than the darknet then :-P04:42
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bddebianGah, I wish I understood all this libfoo vs libfoo0 vs libfoo0c2a crap04:45
Nafallothere. that should get better performance :-)04:47
Nafallohmm04:47
Nafallobut my IPv6 tunnel has bad prio now...04:47
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imbrandonzul ping04:50
imbrandonheh04:50
imbrandoni got good news and bad news ;)04:50
Nafallobddebian: hope you get better speeds now :_)04:50
Nafallo:-)04:50
Toadstoolre04:53
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bddebianHeya Toadstool04:55
bddebianNafallo: Ah yes much better :-)04:56
imbrandongood news it all worked the first try ( i'm booted into a xen DomU now, bad news is i had to boot into single user mode and run init 5 for x to come up for it to work ;(04:56
imbrandonZul ^^04:56
imbrandonerr he's gone04:56
imbrandonheh04:56
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Nafallobddebian: I had my looks on that chassi for a year or so now ;-)04:57
bddebianheh04:57
=== bddebian has his eyes on a sparc an amd64 and a ppc ;-P
imbrandonhehe04:58
imbrandonnce04:58
imbrandonnice04:58
Nafallobddebian: ;-)04:59
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bddebianOK apparently trying openscenegraph was a mistake :-)06:04
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Gloubiboulgabddebian, I tried to build the debian deb a few months ago for a friend, it was a really bad idea ;)06:15
bddebianGloubiboulga: Aye, my machine is choking on it :-)06:16
Gloubiboulgahehe, I wonder what kind of machine can build this thing06:17
Gloubiboulgamine almost died and never gave me a .deb06:18
ArbiterGloubiboulga!!! :D06:19
Gloubiboulgahi Arbiter06:21
Arbiterbddebian: the kdocker build bug should be fixed06:23
Arbiterthe updated version of the package is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=290706:24
bddebianArbiter: OK, I'll check it out if my machine ever recovers from openscenegraph :)06:25
Arbiterhehehe06:25
Arbiterno problem06:25
bddebianOh segfault, nice06:25
Arbiterheh :D06:25
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bluefoxicyhow long's it normally take between upload and hitting the repos?06:46
bddebianDepends on several things06:47
bluefoxicybddebian:  days, weeks?06:49
bddebianNO, usually a day or so06:49
bluefoxicyah, I'll give it a couple more then06:50
bddebianbluefoxicy: What package?06:50
bluefoxicyI got a mail thursday that said pax-utils was uploaded, I'm just waiting to see it hit the repo so I can swap out my "local or obsolete" with universe.06:51
bluefoxicyit's low priority so all the important stuff is probably pushing it back :P06:51
bddebianbluefoxicy: 1:5-15?06:52
bluefoxicywhat does THAT mean06:53
bddebianThat's the version that is in Edgy06:53
bddebianErr 1.5-1506:54
bluefoxicysynaptic is telling me the available versions are 0.1.13-0ubuntu1 (now)06:54
bluefoxicyyou're looking at pax, the archiver06:54
azeemthen it's probably in NEW and needs manual attention06:55
bluefoxicyazeem:  oh, I thought it was stuck in a queue that goes up automatically06:55
azeemgoes up06:55
azeem?06:55
bluefoxicy"I've uploaded your pax-utils package.\nForwarding you the NEW mail from soyuz."06:55
bddebianhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=pax06:56
bluefoxicyah, cool, I can view the status online :)06:56
bluefoxicyso it hasn't hit the buildd yet06:56
bluefoxicybddebian:  do you have any friggin'  idea how to figure out the latest binutils upstream release06:57
azeemfigure out what?06:57
bluefoxicyI see numbers like 2.17.50.0.206:58
bluefoxicyand I can only find "binutils 2.17" on sources.redhat06:58
azeemthe former are H J Lu's releases I think06:58
azeemwhile the latter are the official GNU tarballs06:58
bluefoxicyhttp://sources.redhat.com/binutils/  Re06:58
azeem(I'd guess)06:58
bluefoxicyhttp://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2006-06/msg00095.html  "Attachment: binutils-2.17.50.0.2-hash-style.patch"  Well, the RedHat developers seem to be aware of the latter06:59
bluefoxicyI'm trying to figure out if upstream has released binutils w/ --hash-style yet (it went into ld in CVS 2 merges ago) or if I'll have to bribe doko or whoever to patch it into our binutils/glibc after edgy07:00
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AnAntbddebian: I fixed the kchmviewer problem (that it wasn't been put in /usr/bin)07:38
AnAntanyone here ?07:43
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azeemAnAnt: 101 people07:44
AnAntazeem: ok, isn't the recover page on REVU going to be fixed ?07:44
azeemno idea07:44
AnAntk07:44
azeemAnAnt: just ask your questions, don't wait for random people without clue to react first :)07:44
azeemit's the weekend, this chan is pretty low traffic07:45
AnAntwell, that was the question07:45
AnAntoh ok07:45
AnAntwell, that was it07:46
AnAntgotta go07:46
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bddebianShoot, who else asked me about a review last night.. :-(07:51
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Gloubiboulgabddebian, me!08:00
Gloubiboulgabddebian, you haven't advocated gnome-translate ;)08:01
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bddebianGloubiboulga: I don't think it was you but I'll take a look at it08:07
Gloubiboulgabddebian, no it wasn't me :)08:07
bddebianGloubiboulga: OK advocated but someone else has to look at it :)08:12
Gloubiboulgabddebian, sure08:12
Gloubiboulgathanks bddebian :)08:13
bddebianSure08:13
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bddebianHmm, it would be nice if I could search REVU for all packages I have commented on..08:24
azeemor those you have *not yet* commented on :)08:25
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bddebianWell there's plenty of those.. :-)08:30
bddebianI'm just one man.. And not the greatest reviewer at that.. :-(08:30
bddebianUhm, how can libbuffy have /usr/include/python-2.3 in a Makefile but not have a build-dep on any python stuff?08:34
crimsun(does it actually require python2.3-dev to compile, though?)08:38
bddebiancrimsun: No but the changelog isn't exactly helpful either.  In 0.2.x it says added build-dep for python, etc but never mentions dropping it later08:40
bddebianI guess I'll just sync it, it just seems strange08:40
bddebianOH, crimsun.  Wanna help me understand osgcal08:41
bddebianOh, they seem to have removed the python-libbuffy binary08:42
bddebianErr python-buffy even08:42
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crimsunsorry bddebian, you don't get priority response time (on the phone) since you misrouted my pony.08:48
crimsunbddebian: what's the issue w/ osgcal?08:49
bddebiancrimsun: The whole 0c2a transition thing08:53
crimsunah, to 0.1.39-1?08:56
bddebianAye08:57
crimsunit'll have to be a merge regardless since we have libosgcal0c2a08:57
bddebianAye, I just didn't want to screw it up08:57
crimsunI doubt you will; you've done enough of them to know the proper C/R. :)08:59
bddebianActually I really haven't for transitional packages08:59
ajmitchyou should have09:00
bddebianThe question is, should libosgcal stay libosgcal0 from Debian?09:04
crimsunit doesn't look like it ever transitioned on the Debian side09:05
bddebianAye09:06
ajmitchdoes it export a C or C++ interface?09:06
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crimsunyep, and it was part of the libstdc++ allocator change [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-November/000016.html] 09:11
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crimsunbddebian: it would be worthwhile merging openscenegraph first09:12
bddebianopenscenegraph segfaults on build09:16
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bddebianNot to mention it's a pig :-(09:17
crimsunah, that should make for an exciting weekend evening.09:19
bddebianFor whom? :-)09:20
crimsunI'll look at it.09:20
bddebiancrimsun: openscenegraph or osgcal?09:21
crimsunthe former.09:21
crimsundoesn't make much sense to proceed with the latter until the former is merged09:22
bddebianOh, aye09:22
bddebianWho is gborzi?09:25
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bddebianlfittl: ping?09:33
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bddebianHeya Amaranth09:46
Amaranthhey09:46
Amaranthpublic wifi at libraries ftw09:46
lfittlbddebian: pong09:47
crimsun.oO( you identified over a public wifi? )09:47
tsengcrimsun: oh no, freenode botnets will take over!09:47
crimsunohnoes!09:48
bddebianheh09:48
bddebianlfittl: Hey, I just realized someone has a package for glest on REVU, did you know that?09:48
lfittlbddebian: oh, no, but I guess this package still has the licensing problems09:49
bddebianAye09:49
bddebianWell the data package anyway09:49
lfittlbddebian: I looked at the forum thread about scourge data licensing, but this thread is a little old and there doesn't seem to be much interest in it anymore :/09:51
lfittlsomething different, whats the best solution to the following problem: one of my to-be-packaged games, freeorion, links directly to some graphviz libs that are located in /usr/lib/graphviz, which means it won't find them on startup without modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH09:55
lfittlmy approach would be to write a simple wrapper that sets the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH, anybody have a better idea?09:56
bddebianlfittl: At runtime?09:58
bddebianlfittl: Do you happen to have a URL for the scourge forum discussion?09:59
lfittlbddebian: what at runtime?09:59
bddebianLD_LIBRARY_PATH?09:59
lfittlbddebian: will search it again, easy to find09:59
crimsunwhere are they in fact installed, /usr/lib/ ?10:00
lfittlbddebian: http://scourge.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4610:00
crimsunit smells of rpath10:00
lfittlthe needed graphviz libs are in /usr/lib/graphviz, and freeorion searchs for them in /usr/lib10:00
lfittlrpath?10:00
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lfittlcrimsun: ah, rpath, that could work (didn't know that something like this existed) :)10:02
bddebianlfittl: Is the scourge data not even a candidate for multiverse?10:03
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lfittlbddebian: don't know, problem is we don't have a defined license, and don't even know all the copyright holders10:04
bddebianAh, OK10:04
lfittlas upstream has taken some models from various "free models" websites, and the creator of some old music files didn't specify a license and is now gone (if I remember correctly)10:05
lfittlalthough we could propably work around the music file problem be simply not including them, missing music is not the worst thing, missing models are more problematic10:06
bddebianWell I posted a question, though it is probably too vague :-)10:13
lfittlbddebian: lets hope there is at least one artist interested, that would be enough to get the license problem into their heads again :)10:15
bddebianAye10:16
Amaranthcrimsun: it's a junk password10:20
Amaranthcrimsun: i only use it on freenode10:20
crimsunAmaranth: (was being facetious ;)10:20
Amaranthand, uh, i live in sioux city, iowa. wifi is magic to like 99.9999% of the population10:20
Amaranthheh10:20
AmaranthThere are probably only about a dozen guys in this town who would even know how to do something like that and I know all of them. :)10:22
Amaranthdamn, dist-upgrade is slow10:22
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Toadstoolbddebian: hi (about 5h30 later :)10:36
Toadstooland hi everybody10:37
crimsun'lo10:37
Toadstoolhey crimsun10:37
bddebianHeh, hi Toadstool10:37
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ToadstoolI hate that, I have to run everywhere to prepare my trip and can't stay more than 5 minutes in front of my computer :p10:38
crimsunbddebian: bug 5693510:45
UbugtuMalone bug 56935 in openscenegraph "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync openscenegraph 1.0.0-9 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5693510:45
bddebianOH, hehe10:46
bddebianMight be interesting though10:46
crimsunbddebian: took a while to build, but it built successfully on i386 and amd64.10:46
bddebianOh, you did that?10:46
crimsunyes, I just filed it a minute ago10:46
bddebianRockin'10:46
Toadstoolyou guys have to be insane to try to build that piece of software :p10:46
crimsuntook a solid hour of build time10:47
Toadstoolcrimsun: about mldonkey in dapper, I uploaded an updated package a few weeks ago to dapper-updates but the package "disappeared"... I wonder whether I did something wrong :/10:51
crimsunToadstool: w/ approval from mdz/kamion?10:52
Toadstoolhuhu nope10:52
ToadstoolI have to ask mdz/kamion before uploading?10:53
crimsunright, infinity/keybuk will blackhole them (approximately) unless you have approval10:53
crimsunyes10:53
Toadstoolok, understood10:53
ToadstoolI should have asked before doing anything10:53
\shre10:54
crimsun'lo \sh10:54
Toadstoolhi \sh10:54
\shhow's live?10:55
crimsuncrazy, and yours?10:55
\shtoo much work :)10:56
\shjust preparing new wine10:58
crimsunnice :)10:58
\shargl...it's always a pain to switch between a uk layout and a german layout....11:02
bddebian\sh!11:03
\shbddebian:  :)11:03
\shI wonder if bluetooth is still working on this t43 after upgrading to edgy....or is it just disappearing like on the r200?11:16
ajmitchhi \sh11:16
\shre ajmitch11:17
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asimonGreetings. If upstream only offers the source as a bz2 archive, I unpack, and 'gzip -9' it to get a orig.tar.gz. Is this the right way?11:41
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crimsunit's the "least worst"11:43
crimsunif you do that and Debian does that, then you'll likely end up with *sum mismatches for the orig.tar.gz, which is, well, a PITA11:44
asimoncrimsun: So what's the most elegant way to handle it?11:45
crimsunasimon: is said package in Debian already?11:46
\shdidn't dpkg work with bz2?11:46
asimoncrimsun: No, not in Debian or Ubuntu so far.11:46
crimsunasimon: do you plan to submit it to Debian? (Hopefully you do.)11:46
asimoncrimsun: The plan was to first upload it to revu11:47
crimsunasimon: sure. Well if there's no ITP (see bugs.do/wnpp) for it, then I suppose you'll have to go the route you just described.11:49
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asimoncrimsun: No ITP so far.11:49
asimon\sh: When I run dpkg-sources with a bz2 instead of a gz tarball it generates automatically a tar.gz file but without the 'orig' part and the source won't appear in the dsc file.11:53
asimoncrimsun: Thank you.11:53
\shasimon: yeah...just tried...11:54
\shcrimsun: what would you do to debug a strange grub behaviour...which is only shown on dapper?11:55
\shcrimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/5678011:56
UbugtuMalone bug 56780 in grub "grub doesn't work with Compaq SmartArray P600 SAS Controller" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 11:56
zul\sh: a picture might help11:57
=== crimsun hoorays for zul :D
\shzul: well..."GRUB Hard Disk Error" ;) that's all what is shown during boot up11:58
zulok maybe not..11:58
zul\sh: what are the disks again?11:58
\shzul 4 disks as raid0 configured (hw raid) sata11:58
zul/dev/dsk/c or something11:58
\sh /dev/cciss/c0d011:58
zulah yes..11:59
\shubuntu grub has some patches for it...to recognize them...but sles9 grub doesn't have any patches for this...but sles9 version works11:59
zulweird..11:59
\shyepp11:59
zulcan you put up the source rpm somewhere?12:00
\shzul: on monday when I'm back in the office..12:00
zulok..remind me on monday then12:00
\shzul: kk12:01
\shand it's just not working on this piece of hw12:02
\shareca 16 channel raid6 sata controller just works. non sata smartarrays are working too.12:02
zuljust the ccis crap12:03
zulyou might want to put in some printk to see what is happeneing12:04
\shzul: if I could I would have done it already =12:04
\shgrmpf12:04
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