[12:09] as far as I see it, a sync wouldn't help much [12:10] from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-osd/gnome-osd_0.11.2-3.diff.gz: [12:10] Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python2.4-dbus (>= 0.60), python-pyorbit-omg, python2.4-pyorbit-omg, python-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2, python-gtk2, python2.4-gtk2 [12:10] the versioned depends on python2.4-dbus is still there [12:11] that's purportedly a bug in the python policy. [12:12] in edgy python2.4-dbus is only provided by python-dbus not a real package [12:13] right, you'll just have to remerge it. [12:14] well, I mucked up the assignment, so I'll handle it. [12:32] geser: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004097.html [12:32] ................................................... [12:33] is sounder ubuntu-sounder@ or just sounder@ [12:33] I tried google. Mark Shuttleworth has now confirmed on the ubuntu-sounder mailing list > that he has not eaten a lot of babies. [12:33] sounder@ [12:33] thanks. [12:35] is some here familiar with gcj and g++? === Burgundavia [n=corey@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] <|Prezu|> I've just uploaded a Kadu package to REVU, but I forgot to add a "-sa" option to dpkg-buildpackage, so... there's no .orig.tag.gz... [12:39] <|Prezu|> Could someone please help me with that? [12:39] regenerate the _source.changes, and dput -f [12:41] <|Prezu|> crimsun: http://kadu.net/~patryk/tmp/dput.log [12:43] <|Prezu|> crimsun: Do I have to remove existing .dsc with dcut somehow? [12:44] no, just dput -f [12:44] morning [12:44] hi ajmitch. [12:45] |Prezu|: ajmitch is a revu admin; he may can help. [12:45] |Prezu|: if you interrupted the upload, it needs deleted manually [12:46] do you want the partial upload removed? [12:46] <|Prezu|> ajmitch: Yes, please. :) [12:49] done [12:49] <|Prezu|> thanks. :) === ajames [n=ajames@71-211-146-7.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] heya everyone === imbrandon yawns to wakeup === jinty_ [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |Prezu| is now known as Prezu [01:04] when a package needs only a rebuild to get the depends uptodate, all I need to change is the changelog mentioning the rebuild? [01:11] g'night === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-124-178-16-3.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] gnight Toadstool === Burgundavia [n=corey@207.47.10.130.static.nextweb.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] imbrandon: how could you? [01:39] making people think that they'll get kde 4 in edgy... [01:39] huh ? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] ajmitch: Riddell said its a possibility in universe for a preview [01:39] heh, i'll edit it, hold on [01:40] "just in case" [01:41] ajmitch: heh changed, give it 5 minutes to show up on planet [01:42] ajmitch: what do you have a constant rss notifier for planet ? heh , i couldent have posted that a minute before you said something ;) [01:43] imbrandon: mugshot [01:43] pops up on the desktop for fridge & planet articles [01:43] mugshot ? mine or a program ? [01:43] ahh [01:43] cool [01:47] so when will kde 4 be released? 12 months? === ajmitch mutters [01:52] heh the final rc should be late oct [01:52] people that file wishlist bugs as specs [01:52] imbrandon: and how much work still needs done on things like plasma? [01:52] afaik a ton but a ton has been done too [01:52] plasma is probably the laste developed so far === ajmitch would say late oct is quite ambitious then [01:53] solid is lookin good though [01:53] yea its ambitious all right but i dont think it will be THAT late [01:53] heh [01:53] personaly i'm thinking by the end of the year [01:53] just from what i've seen [01:54] from what I've read, there hasn't been nearly enough done on plasma to release it in ~2 months [01:54] true , heh i just knew thats what they "said" on the ML and other places hehehe like i said end of the year is more likely [01:55] though kde are probably another project that abuse the term RC [01:55] hahah yea [01:55] ohh 200th episode of sg-1 is on tongiht [01:56] looks like i need to bust out the lappy [01:56] fskin wireless stoped working on it the other day [01:56] haha [01:56] well wireless in linux [01:56] reading the mailing list - no roadmap because of aseigo continually getting asked about status [01:56] osx still works so its something with the driver i'm sure [01:56] hahaha [01:57] seems to be a continual stream of 'are we there yet?' posts on the panel-devel list [01:58] yea thats why alot of them stoped being anwsered === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] but alot of that is becouse there is no set road map [01:58] which aseigo refuses to provide [01:59] with good reason, it seems [01:59] yup, catch 22 thats good i ways ;) [01:59] in* [02:00] who knows, there may be kde 4 in time for edgy+1 then [02:01] yea i think so [02:01] it should build fine in edgy ( thats one of our goals is to make it compile clean by edgys release ) but probably wont hit the repos till edgy+1 [02:02] you're still asking for pain === ajmitch was one of these people that ran kde from cvs from about 1.8x-1.90 onwards [02:03] hehe hold on , lemme grab my lappy, show's comming on [02:03] i ran kde from cvs in the 2.x days [02:03] on redhat [02:03] heh [02:03] yes, I was doing this on mandrake [02:04] i rember DAYS to compile [02:04] lol [02:04] I still have that box here [02:04] not that it works === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] Heya gang === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] ... [02:12] Heya imbrandon [02:13] heya bddebian [02:14] shawarma: Still around? [02:15] heh i'm in Stargate mode tonight, the "Behind" SG-1 is on right now, and SG-1 200th epsidode is on after that and the new Stargate Atlantis is on after that heh [02:15] Oh joy :-) [02:15] stargate is almost as good as st:tng ;) [02:15] Anyone have any requests before I get to "work"? :-) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] not i bddebian ;) [02:17] Bah, you're no help :-) [02:17] bddebian: fix the universe [02:18] ajmitch: Merges, bugs, what? :-) [02:18] crimsun: Did you already do openct? [02:18] bddebian: no [02:18] How do we even stuff in to dapper-updates? [02:19] bddebian: oh, you meant the triaging part? Yes, I did that. [02:19] talk to mdz [02:19] I generated a debdiff and subbed ubuntu-release [02:19] or prepare a well-tested update & subscribe ubuntu-release [02:19] crimsun: Ah, OK [02:19] thx [02:20] getting a response is another matter [02:20] Hmm what to do then.. [02:21] Damn I swore I already did something with libnss-ldap [02:22] quite probably [02:22] bddebian: Purged it like the POS it is? [02:22] Heh, no requested a sync or so [02:22] StevenK: Speaking of which, are you going to merge pygtkmvc StevenK? [02:22] hmm, interesting UI change in quod libet 0.23 [02:23] bddebian: bug 55737 [02:23] Malone bug 55737 in libnss-ldap "[Sync Request] libnss-ldap 251-5" [Untriaged,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/55737 [02:24] OH yeah, thx ajmitch [02:28] ajmitch: How did you find that rejected bug? When I did a search for bugs on libnss-ldap it didn't show up === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] simple [02:29] the little link that says 'All bugs ever reported' [02:30] Uhm.. hmm [02:31] Oh [02:31] Hmm, I wonder why she rejected xbvl? === welshbyte ponders what to do next [02:45] bddebian: I'd like to, but it was NMU'd, which makes it harder. [02:45] bddebian: It can probably be synced, but 0.9.2-1.1 < 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 === bddebian looks for work for welshbyte ;-) [02:48] bddebian: well suggestions are welcome :) === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49] welshbyte: See if you can package a newer gnu-smalltalk from upstream? :-) [02:49] OK, what am I doing wrong here? dpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 > 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 [02:50] > is special [02:50] you just created a file called 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 [02:50] hehe [02:50] Oh yeah, hehe [02:50] bddebian: sounds like a challenge... *gulp* === bddebian feels stupid as always [02:51] ajmitch: OK, how do I grab what --compare-versions outputs? [02:52] dpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 gt 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 && echo 'yes' [02:52] Or use a shell that actually tells you when things exit non zero. [02:52] steven@liquified:~% grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog [02:52] zsh: exit 1 grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog [02:53] StevenK: Well according to that -1.1 is gt 1ubuntu1 [02:53] bddebian: which is what StevenK said several minutes ago [02:53] actually no [02:54] I tested this before, I'm sure of it. [02:54] Maybe it was for a different NMU. [02:54] Well I didn't think 1.1 was lt 1ubuntu1 [02:54] But I'm not so smart ya know [02:54] character strings are meant to be less than nearly everything [02:54] bddebian: Anyway, you're right, I'll look it soonish. [02:55] NP [02:55] at it, damn it all [02:56] StevenK: And what about inn2? [02:57] Which doesn't appear on the MoM page. === bddebian breaks out the whip [02:57] inn2? [02:57] Heh, I don't remember merging/syncing inn2. [02:57] hehe [02:58] I can look at it if you want [02:58] bddebian: were you referring to bug #887 ? [02:58] Malone bug 887 in gnu-smalltalk "blox-tk was not built because of bad tkConfig.sh" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/887 [02:58] welshbyte: Well sort of. That actually needs a rebuilt tcl8.3 or some such. I just noticed that gnu-smalltalk is out of date in Debian and Ubuntu [02:59] ah i see [02:59] bddebian: I'm more than happy to, but I'd just like to know why you know it needs looking at. [03:00] StevenK: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html [03:01] Ah. === StevenK adds that to the list. === bddebian doesn't know if he wants to touch debian-edu [03:03] Ack, it hasn't been updated since hoary === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Hi Hobbsee [03:07] Hobbsee: Why did you reject your xbvl sync request? [03:07] hi bddebian [03:07] bddebian: ah, because at the time, it ftbfs, iirc? [03:07] Hmm, OK === Netsplit_ is now known as joejax === joejax is now known as joejaxx [03:07] bddebian: did you make it build? [03:08] Hobbsee: I didn't try yet because you had requested it :-) === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] If debian-edu is 0.806 is 0.806-0ubuntu1 appropriate or 0.806ubuntu1 as dholbach did? [03:17] bddebian: ah yes, but i hit reject [03:18] if it came from debian then i guess it ould be thought of as 0-0.806 with the 0- chopped off so i'd go with 0.806ubuntu1 :) [03:18] s/ould/could/ [03:18] bddebian: it's annoying to do it that way [03:19] Hobbsee: Which way? [03:19] bddebian: it messes with the version numbers, for the next sync [03:19] 0.806ubuntu1 [03:19] seeing as u will beat - [03:19] so the debian version cant be synced across, as the ubuntu version is newer [03:19] unless it moves to 0.807 [03:19] which is likely [03:20] true that [03:20] since it's intended to be a native package [03:20] Well it will never be syncable anyway since it uses Debian sources.lists :-) [03:20] So, what's the consensus, 0.806ubuntu1? [03:21] bddebian: ah right, that's okay then [03:22] bddebian: why not send our changes to them? [03:22] maybe send our apt-setup to them :P [03:22] oh dear, a lot more people running ubuntu now :P [03:22] Haha. [03:22] How the hell does bluefoxicy pass me on Top Contributors? Does he actually contribute anything? ;-P [03:23] heh [03:23] bddebian: i think i beat you too? [03:23] it's probably on crack though. [03:24] bddebian: when the hell DO I contribute anything [03:24] bluefoxicy: That's what I'm asking :-) [03:25] Hobbsee: What's on crack? [03:25] bddebian: those stats [03:25] Ah [03:25] bddebian: i dont remember who did them, but they warned at the time, that hte first version was a bit crazy, and likely wasnt right [03:25] it looks like bits have been added to it now though [03:27] Hobbsee: Are you implying that it isn't possible that I'm ahead of you? :-) [03:27] bddebian: no, not at all :P [03:28] I don't even know who Jeff Bailes is :-) [03:29] is feature freeze the deadline for syncing from debian or universe freeze? [03:30] universe freeze [03:30] after that you need exceptions for new upstream releases [03:30] good good === Hobbsee wonders what the purpose of feature freeze is then. [03:30] oh yeah, fo rmain [03:31] yes, the important parts of the distro, where features generally get developer time === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] Hobbsee: Ah yes, xbvl wants GLw and we don't ship those anymore.. [03:35] How can you figure out what FEATURES are available to /configure --disable-FEATURE ? [03:36] look in configure.ac or configure.in [03:36] Aye but what do I look for? [03:36] bddebian: that's the one [03:36] stuff [03:36] Wow, thx [03:36] heh [03:36] useful [03:37] seriously, just have a look [03:37] But what am I looking FOR? [03:38] "--disable" === welshbyte ducks [03:38] GLw? [03:38] :P [03:38] Well GLw gets added if MESA is enabled, it's not seperate afaict [03:39] guess you shouldnt disable mesa? === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121ob2.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] I was wondering about that [03:40] I thought about just removing -lGLw but I am not quite sure what that would break [03:48] bddebian: / bluefoxicy: spec-tracking. [03:48] Ah, well for Edgy+1 I'm doing nothing but specs.. ;-P [03:49] what's the problem with GLw? [03:50] They were removed from the mesa-swx package in main [03:50] oh [03:50] yeah [03:50] I actually have like 6 specs I didn't actually submit as specs [03:51] because I'm quite well aware it won't happen. [03:51] also tseng will come to my house and nail me to the wall [03:51] Sweet, can I watch :-) [03:51] bddebian: mesa now provides libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev and mesa-swx11-source [03:51] with a hammer and nails >.> [03:51] geeze bddebian :P [03:51] bluefoxicy: just remind him of BdDebianIsAGod. [03:52] crimsun: Aye but the GLw lib files were removed [03:52] it's humourous, because everything he does contradicts his protests. :-p [03:52] heh [03:52] crimsun: What? [03:52] My protests? [03:52] crimsun: i'm thinking of looking to see if there's a fast reboot/kexec spec yet [03:53] h/me wakes up [03:53] if you saw my post on -devel@ [03:53] bddebian: e.g., your current karma rank as a Ubuntu contributor nullifies your claim that you don't do anything [03:53] bluefoxicy: Why not build or fix some packages instead? [03:53] i am too busy upgrading my 770 to fool around with bluefoxicy [03:53] Heya tseng [03:53] hi [03:53] crimsun: Well apparently I don't do anything "worthwhile" [03:53] 770 rules [03:53] uh [03:53] I am not even going to try to read what he just said. [03:54] bddebian: except for hoard karma points ;-p [03:54] bddebian: I do stuff like http://lwn.net/Articles/192082/ to try to get useful stuff on the devs' screens :P [03:55] and let them figure out how to make it happen [04:02] crimsun: Oh yeah, that's worhtwhile [04:03] So are Mesa and OpenGL different "things" or is Mesa an implementation of the OpenGL standard? [04:04] mesa is a version of opengl [04:04] in software [04:04] that can use DRI for hardware acceleration [04:05] unlike nvidia who decide to supply a full GL implementation with their drivers [04:05] (nvidia-glx) [04:05] mesa is opengl using whatever's around. If nothing's around it uses software. [04:05] on various platforms Mesa uses various things; on Linux, it uses DRI in X. === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] Ah, thx [04:08] Hopefully somebody standardizes some sort of OpenGL "is this feature here" function like in DirectX [04:08] Sacriledge :-) [04:09] OpenGL is super-abstract. If a feature isn't around, it emulates it in software. [04:09] shawarma: You really there or just a re-connect? [04:09] You can never know if a feature isn't there [04:09] so you just shoot and hope you hit hardware instead of software. [04:09] directX has a command that lets you ask it if a particular feature is available; if it's not, then you can work around it, just not enable it [04:10] Damnit, it actually uses GLw functions :-( [04:11] sudo rm -rf xbvl === nexu [n=nexu@2001:888:10:284:0:0:1ce:c01d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] excellent, more broken backports [04:16] how I hate it what that happens [04:17] nexu: no, it's not your fault this time - in this case it's compiz-related :) [04:17] lol [04:18] someone decided it'd be a great idea to backport vte [04:18] except there's an SONAME change, which breaks any app that uses it [04:19] nice. [04:19] so this is what breaks synaptic [04:19] Heya Gloubiboulga [04:19] I thought backports are supposed to be tested first [04:19] Gloubiboulga: yep [04:19] Yagisan: third-party backports [04:19] there's been a lot of "bug reports" in the fr community [04:19] hello bddebian [04:20] ajmitch, ah, like if someone is dumb and grabs my mplayer for dapper [04:21] I wonder if janimo would get upset if I tried xfce4-goodies [04:21] ajmitch, complete with inablity to play dvds ;) [04:21] bddebian, go ahead [04:21] hello Yagisan [04:21] bddebian: did we fix bug #43359 yesterday? [04:21] Malone bug 43359 in prismstumbler "no man page" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43359 [04:22] bddebian: if you break it, I'll kill ALL your cows. [04:22] G'day tseng [04:22] welshbyte: Yes, did I not close that one? [04:22] bddebian: still on "confirmed" [04:22] welshbyte: Ah, please close [04:23] Heya bmonty [04:23] hey bddebian [04:23] crimsun: Fine I won't touch it then, thanks [04:27] hey guys, is there an idiots guide to contest so I can add some amd boxes to the Optimised kernel thread ? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] OK obviously popplerkit.framework is fsckd [04:30] Yay for fscked things. === Fujitsu kicks Edgy a bit. [04:30] 15:41 < bddebian> FIX IT! :-) [04:31] so bddebian, fix it. [04:31] Anybody got an idea why my Dell Inspiron 630m's CD drive won't automount when inserted, nor detect an audio CD at all? [04:31] Silly Edgy... [04:31] Works fine with Hoary->Dapper. [04:32] did you disable the automount options in g-v-m (presume you're using gnome)? [04:32] No, they're all enabled, and yes I'm using Gnome :) [04:33] I don't use the CD drive much, so I didn't notice when it broke. [04:33] crimsun: I was looking but afaict it's gone from upstream :-( [04:35] bddebian: um, looks like the man page doesn't get installed... doesn't dh_installman need to be told which file to install? === grr [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grr is now known as plugwash_ === plugwash__ [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] welshbyte: Uhm yeah. In my excitement I think I forgot to actually install it :-( [04:45] It seems that gstreamer 0.10 has issues with reading audio CDs, whereas 0.8 works fine... Presumably 0.10 utilises some part of the thing that's not detecting the CDs, whereas 0.8 doesn't... === Fujitsu files a bug. [04:47] bddebian: oh well, no harm done :) [04:48] right i'm off to bed, good night all === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=maydayja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi_ [n=Bastian@p508031F0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] WTH is diff --git ? === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === lwylie [n=lwylie@72.14.140.139] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:27] hello everyone [05:29] Hello lwylie === ash211_ [n=ash211@user-1121ssc.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] Ggaaaahhh === Fujitsu calms bddebian down. === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bizkit [n=bizkit@adsl-69-110-151-155.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian pokes ajmitch or crimsun === ajmitch isn't here [05:40] ajmitch: C'mon man, I need help :-( [05:40] then ask a question [05:40] I did [05:40] WTH is diff --git ? [05:41] and you mentioned that it was from debian/patches [05:41] tulip has .diff files in debian/patches that start with diff --git which isn't even a valid option [05:41] which implies that it's in the patch header, and is ignored when applying patches [05:41] so what is the actual problem? [05:41] I need to add a patch and I'm not sure how to do it === ajmitch would assume that upstream or debian have been using git === ajmitch grabs tulip source === bizkit [n=bizkit@adsl-69-110-151-155.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [05:43] so where do you see this? in current edgy source, or debian? [05:43] Latest debian === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] ah yes, changelog does have the details [05:46] grab stgit [05:46] though you can probably manage fine just creating a patch the usual way [05:47] patches seem to be applied already, and are in debian/patches just for documenting the changes [05:48] it doesn't appear that the maintainer ships the necessary git tree [05:50] Aye, I was just reading the bug [05:50] Apparently they are supposed to be packaging 2.0.5 EVENTUALLY so I may bag off of it === ajmitch likes it when packages ship with at least the info about where to get the appropriate branches [05:51] which I should really add to mine [05:52] :-) [05:52] Damnit, now I'm demotived :-( [05:52] Sorry to bug you ajmitch === ash211__ [n=ash211@user-1121uda.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211___ [n=ash211@user-11210nt.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:50] Gnight folks === Burgundavia [n=corey@adsl-75-10-71-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Plug [n=crb@203-167-190-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] Hi all === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:47] hi Plug [07:47] you're the only person whos ever awake here in NZST :) [07:47] I'm just heading out for the evening, but anyone interested in PPTP might want to have a look at http://craig.dubculture.co.nz/blog/ [07:48] i'm in the process of pushing it towards REVU tomorrow, all goign well [07:48] 'out for the evening' means off to watch the rugby? :) [07:48] not really, going to a bbq. unsure if the rugby will be on, I don't care all that much about the sport personally [07:48] Cricket is where my head is at [07:48] Oh, that reminds me. === StevenK checks to see when the footy is on. [07:49] Plug: yeah, might as well push it to REVU [07:49] it'll be easier to check over then === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@CPE-124-178-120-201.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@45.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dnkidjit [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pschulz01 [n=paul@202.174.42.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === naji [n=naji@unaffiliated/naji] has joined #ubuntu-motu === naji [n=naji@unaffiliated/naji] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:01] heya all! [09:01] i'm finally back from my 21-days vacation :) [09:08] wb Arbiter [09:08] heya TheMuso [09:11] :) === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:20] ajmitch or StevenK care to look over http://pastebin.ca/138530 before i submit it to my DD to check again [09:21] ( or if your feeling like it go ahead and sponsor me LOL ) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] wb Hobbsee [09:23] Hobbsee!!! :D [09:24] hey Hobbsee [09:24] hey imbrandon, Arbiter :) [09:24] hi Burgundavia :) [09:25] Burgundavia: give us the low-down on Ubucon [09:25] uhm... kdocker was approved but not added to the NEW queue [09:25] Burgundavia: what's happening today? [09:25] sladen: it was good and will be good tomorrow. I will blog tomorrow [09:25] we talked [09:25] Jane gave out tshirts. Drank free google beer [09:25] ah... uhm... a build failure... [09:25] Burgundavia: nice [09:25] whip|lwe talked about large deployments [09:25] Arbiter: heh. that'd be why [09:26] google has nice headquarters [09:26] did whip|lwe finaly blog ? [09:26] not yet [09:26] hehe ;) [09:26] he has gone to bed [09:26] Burgundavia: what do the new t-shirts look like? [09:26] on the front, ubuntu logo over the name [09:26] on the back "Do you Ubuntu?' [09:26] Hobbsee: i'll try the build in an updated pbuilder [09:26] I got asked in the bar last night about what ubuntu was === imbrandon wants a T ;) [09:27] they are a light tan colour [09:27] hahah cool Burgundavia === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@201.230.107.168] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] Burgundavia: "wanna find out, nudge, nudge, wink, wink" [09:27] Arbiter: you mean you werent already? [09:27] given I was seriously pissed, I have no idea if I was coherent [09:27] Hobbsee: yup [09:27] lol [09:27] Arbiter: what was the build log? [09:27] i've alredy tested it in pbuilder [09:27] s/what/where/? [09:28] "it's like a pirate copy of MS Windows, but legal. BTW, *you* are legal, aren't you?" [09:28] but i didn't have that problem (read kdocker comments) [09:28] and then mdz sang with the transexual bar singer [09:28] it was great === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] i can't reproduce that error.... my last build in the pbuilder environment worked [09:29] Burgundavia: got any memories from the Penguin Bowl? [09:29] yes, we handed Novell their asses. It was hilarious [09:29] Burgundavia: any favourite questions? Or can you remember the final score? [09:29] 25000k to 21000k [09:29] they did well in the final question [09:30] it was 14000 to 9000 going into that one [09:30] the novell guys were shocked whip|lwe and I were community members [09:30] yea thats what whip|lwe said earlier [09:30] Burgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free? [09:31] no idea [09:31] lol [09:31] malcolm was brilliant [09:31] he got all the old scifi questions [09:31] plus we got all the novell questions [09:31] including the "what does Suse stand for" [09:31] heh [09:31] lol [09:31] and the "what is not a Novell linux product?" [09:32] what DOES it stand for ? [09:32] Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2801 [09:32] Burgundavia: did they manage to get "what does 'Ubuntu' mean"? [09:32] imbrandon: software and something [09:32] sladen: hmm, don't remember if they asked such a question [09:32] Burgundavia: well, you did have mdy on the team, I think he'd know a bit about Suse ;-) [09:32] did have a mark one [09:32] just a tad [09:32] Burgundavia: what was the Mark one? === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] mdy also got the os/2 questions, have worked as product manager on it [09:32] who is this man [09:32] Arbiter: looks like bddebian's pbuilder is borked - it should be building with fakeroot [09:33] oh, and then there is a the Ipod dance [09:33] I got the steve jobs question right "who is this man: picture" [09:33] [02:30] Burgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free? [09:33] heh [09:33] my family thinks im nuts for this ;) [09:33] then for the bonus we got "steve jobs turtlenecks" and had to dance the ipod dance [09:33] you know, the black silohuette one [09:33] hahahah [09:33] Burgundavia: oh, not the Steve Balmer one? [09:34] no, no ballmer questions [09:34] no one thew chairs ? heh [09:34] but they did have the gates quote about os/2 "this is the most significant os in our time" [09:34] threw* [09:34] mdy got that one [09:34] I missed the Serenity/Firefly question "what is the name of this ship" [09:34] which apparently nobody is letting me live down [09:34] ouch [09:35] "firefly" ? [09:35] tv show [09:35] I said Firefly .... :( [09:35] us sci fi series, very good [09:35] Hobbsee: uhm? so it's a bddebian's problem? [09:35] Arbiter: i'd say so === sladen hides out of embarassment for not knowing anything about the show or the name of the ship except that it was cancelled === Hobbsee might test build that here. [09:35] sladen: at least you didn't answer the question wrong out in front of 100+ people and a video camera [09:36] imbrandon: your machine stil building? [09:36] there is a video somewhere [09:36] i did 3 pbuilder builds (i use fakeroot) and it works === Burgundavia wonders if I should be telling you this [09:36] Hobbsee: yup kde4 is takin forever, probably will be building all night [09:36] anyway, I need to crash, I am tired and it is 1am [09:36] sorry for taking over the channel [09:36] Burgundavia: hehe cool later [09:36] i have a kdocker .deb produced by pbuilder === imbrandon wants to see some video of ubuntu crushing novell [09:36] Burgundavia: fantastic. Sleep well! Happy Ubuconning [09:37] imbrandon: cool, okay [09:37] Burgundavia: of course you should [09:37] maybe i need to update the pbuilder... wait a sec... [09:37] i can test build on my lappy ( as long as it compiles on ppc though ) [09:38] what ya need tested ? [09:38] mhmhmh [09:38] imbrandon: nothing. test build === Hobbsee will build locally [09:39] build fails with an updated pbuilder env... [09:39] ARGH! [09:39] :P [09:39] (my last build was 24 days ago) [09:40] Arbiter: heh. i hate that. [09:40] Arbiter: i believe that's pitti's, or someone else's bug [09:40] maybe a buildd bug? [09:41] (i don't know) [09:41] Pitti's or somebody else's? How descriptive :P [09:41] heh :) [09:41] Fujitsu: bddebian was talking about that yesterday [09:41] i dont remember who did that bug [09:41] Arbiter: it's a broken makefile in your package, not a broken pbuilder or buildd [09:42] ah === Hobbsee remembers seeing something similar in another of bddebian's builds [09:43] ajmitch: broken makefile? my 23-days-old edgy pbuilder environment compiled the package with no problems [09:44] i have a .deb file created by pbuilder after a successful build [09:45] now i update my pbuilder env and the package doesn't build [09:46] Arbiter: what error do you get on build, i just updated my pbuilder to make sure it iwas upto date and everything compiled fine [09:47] dpkg-deb: building package `kdocker' in `../kdocker_1.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'. [09:47] same error as bddebian... [09:47] dosent know what bddebian got [09:48] mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/applications': Permission denied [09:48] make[1] : *** [install_desktop] Error 1 [09:48] blah blah blah [09:48] Sounds like it's not using fakeroot. [09:48] (blah blah blah => more error messages) [09:48] sounds like no fakeroot in the pbuilder env [09:48] I: using fakeroot in build. === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:48] fakeroot's broken? [09:49] don't know... :( [09:49] the build log for a successful build shows it sticking the file in the wrong place anyway [09:49] so no matter whether the build succeeds or fails, it needs fixed [09:49] aw.. [09:50] I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to be able to see the checkboxes and accept and reject submissions on the edgy queue. [09:50] crimsun: heh [09:50] might poke them in #lp [09:50] ;) [09:50] found [09:50] desktop.path = /usr/share/applications [09:51] in kdocker.pro [09:51] pfff :D [09:51] patch patch patch! :D [09:51] crimsun: hah. i suspect not === BazziR [n=Bastian@p50800C9C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] kdocker fixed [10:12] Arbiter: yay :) === Goshawk [n=vincenzo@d83-176-29-226.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] hi === geser [n=michael@85.25.111.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] ;) [10:16] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2907 <- fixed kdocker [10:16] it should work now :) [10:17] why the file /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh is part of lsb-base in ubuntu ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_contents.pl?version=edgy&arch=amd64&case=insensitive&word=lsb-base&searchmode=filelist ) while in debian it's part of the package usplash? ( http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=usplash&version=unstable&arch=amd64 ) [10:18] i'm saying that because that /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh contains functions just to help usplash === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@221.221.148.241] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] brandon@voyager:~/sunuo$ mcs --version [10:19] Mono C# compiler version 1.1.16.1 [10:19] gah [10:20] ? [10:20] dident mean to paste in here [10:20] : [10:20] ehm [10:20] :) [10:21] crimsun: don't worry, you can see it but it's not plugged in === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] 'morning === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.212] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-098.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:20] hello* === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Prezu [n=kvirc@eu165.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:40] I've uploaded Kadu package to REVU yesterday, but it hasn't appeared since now. No info on motu-reviewers@tauware.de neither. Is it normal? This is my first contribution to Ubuntu. [11:42] depends - are you in the launchpad group, and did you ask a revu admin about syncing the keyring? [11:44] ajmitch: I'm have an account on launchpad. but I haven't ask a revu admin about a key syncing. [11:47] ajmitch: Are You speaking about this? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join because I'm already a member of this group. [11:48] yes [11:48] and then you needed to ask a revu admin === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-63-43.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] ajmitch: I can see, that You're a REVU admin. Could You please sync the keyring? :) === ajmitch was already doing so when telling you about it [11:54] ajmitch: Thanks a lot. :) Do I have to upload with dput again? [11:54] no [11:54] ajmitch: Ok. Thanks agani. Bye then. :) [11:54] if you look on revu now you'll see the package listed === ajmitch just had to unreject the .changes === chip42 [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] ajmitch: whats mugshot part of ? [11:59] sudo apt-cache search mugshot [11:59] shows nothing [11:59] mugshot.org [11:59] oh heh === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp18-57.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] crimsun: any idea why i would get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21066? === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host112-36.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] argh [12:56] how do i get around this? [12:56] Upload package to host ubuntu [12:56] Checking Signature on .changes [12:56] gpg: Signature made Sat 19 Aug 2006 05:54:54 AM CDT using DSA key ID 7D2BCE85 [12:56] gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found [12:56] Error verifying signature on /home/hobbsee/merges/gnunet_0.7.0e-2ubuntu1_source.changes. [12:56] oh === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.184] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] found it :) === Hobbsee misread public as private === ZuZuu [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-37-243.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] may someone clear a bad upload that I made [12:57] kchmviewer [12:57] AnAnt: ajmitch: or siretart can [12:57] hi \sh [12:58] <\sh> good morning motus :) hey Hobbsee :) [12:59] how would i add a repository to my pbuilder setup? [12:59] DarkMageZ: add it to /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list and run sudo pbuilder update --override-config [12:59] ty Hobbsee :) === Hobbsee wonders why DarkMageZ wants to do this [01:00] <\sh> ajmitch: awake? === DarkMageZ is backporting edgy's gstreamer to dapper [01:00] <\sh> btw..I'm close to uploading latest wine packages... [01:00] and requires the newer libgstreamer-dev which i compiled to build one of the other packages [01:01] <\sh> need to change my laptops in a few :) [01:01] i have my own local repo :) [01:02] hmm, very odd.. apt.config/sources.list doesn't exist [01:03] what is apt.config ? [01:04] should autoconf be run before or after automake ? [01:04] DarkMageZ: ah [01:04] \sh: yes? [01:04] right, so you didtn follow the pbuilder guide... [01:05] <\sh> ajmitch: are you still in NZ? :) [01:05] \sh: yes [01:05] i followed http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html [01:05] <\sh> ajmitch: I'll query you :) [01:05] ajmitch: could you delete a bad upload that I made , kchmviewer [01:05] might not have been correctly, but i followed it :) [01:05] AnAnt: done [01:06] thanks [01:11] isn't the recover in REVU going to be fixed ? [01:13] <\sh> I wonder where the laptoptestingteam page disappeared and why [01:14] Did it? [01:14] It was there an hour ago... [01:15] It's there... [01:16] <\sh> yesterday evening it was gone [01:18] LaptopTestingTeam on the wiki, you mean? [01:18] <\sh> yes... === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Hobbsee: huh? [01:51] siretart: dont worry, it got fixed :) [01:52] Hobbsee: okay === \sh is taking a nap and uploads new wine this evening... [02:01] <\sh> cu later === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] afternoon [02:47] Hi phanatic. [02:47] hi Fujitsu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B3F35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Matthewv [n=MatthewV@CPE-124-178-120-201.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] imbrandon: pong === pirast_ [n=martin@p508B3D5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] hey , umm that was a few hours ago , let me rember what i needed ;) [03:51] heh ;) [03:51] a big hug [03:51] ;P [03:51] heh [03:52] i just woke up [03:52] s/hug/bug [03:52] i should realy use knotes lol [03:52] or you could just remember [03:52] i've been at the keyboard ~12 hours , heh [03:52] lemme guess something xen related [03:52] yea it was, just dont rember what heh [03:53] something amd64 related [03:53] nope [03:53] havent formated the 64 yet [03:53] i will to that sunday probably [03:53] okie dokie [03:54] hrm what was that wiki link again with the basic setup ? i might try to conver this box today [03:54] convert* [03:54] got nothing better to do while i wait for kde to compile [03:54] lol [03:55] oh i rember , how hard is it to setup a DIFFRENT distro ( non debian based ) on a DomU domain [03:55] if possible at all === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] which distro? === redguy [n=mati@adv162.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] gentoo / suse [03:57] suse first probably [03:57] gentoo is not that hard you can use xen-tools in universe i think there is a tool out there fro suse [03:58] cool, ok yea i think i'm gonna start converting this box to xen based now and try ti out, worse case i bork it and format ;) [03:58] no loss ;) [03:59] besides im always around for help === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] true ;) [03:59] well most of the time [03:59] Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up [03:59] ...before i go see snakes on a plane [03:59] heh [04:00] sudo apt-get install xen-* LOL [04:00] yeah i should do a meta-package [04:01] im playing with 2.6.18-rc4 this weekend though [04:01] gah there are 15 wiki pages with xen in the name, what one is it [04:01] XenonEdgy [04:01] if you just want to make a meta of the packages needed from on the wiki i can help with that [04:02] would give you time to mess with the "meat" ;) [04:02] ok that would be good [04:03] before i start are the version numbers listed on the wiki upto date ? or should i just grab the latest version in the repo ? [04:03] latest version [04:03] IE xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386 [04:03] ok [04:04] pae is for amd64 chips running in 32bit mode right ? [04:04] i believe so [04:05] yea [04:05] grrr...i hate kernel makefiles sometimes [04:05] heh [04:06] if you dont remember to change it, if you do a fakeroot debian/rules clean it removes the debian/directory [04:06] ugh -4 -5 -6 all are in the repo , dont those get purged ? [04:06] yeh [04:06] 8 is latest [04:07] xen-image-xen0-2.6.16-6-686 shows as the latest to me [04:07] grrr... [04:07] did the other not ftbs [04:07] yeah.. [04:07] amd64 problems [04:07] ill have a fix uploaded today [04:08] hehe np [04:08] i can still get it working with this and upgrade later [04:08] true.. [04:09] lemme see if i have -8 lying around ill put it somewhere for you [04:09] x86 correct? [04:09] yup [04:09] gimme a sec. [04:09] on the box i'm doing this on here are the specs [04:09] [08:59] Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up [04:09] .ok [04:10] gr i dont ill upload one for you [04:10] er...i mean ill upload the fix later today [04:10] np ;) [04:10] i'm in no rush ;) [04:11] good ;) [04:11] mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-6-686 2.6.16-6-686 [04:11] err [04:12] hmm? [04:12] pasted wrong window [04:17] hrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file ) [04:18] everything else so far went smooth === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:18] hrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file ) [04:18] zul: ^^ === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] Heya gang [04:20] heya [04:21] Hi imbrandon [04:21] hi bddebian [04:21] Hi Nafallo [04:22] so how's it going? [04:22] Just bueno. You? [04:23] not much. trying to figure out which pizza I want :-P. woke up with an awful headache, otherwise I would still be on work now. [04:24] Hangover? :-) === Zdra [n=zdra@45.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] nope [04:30] sickness or something :-( === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-82.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:31] have been home all week, after having to leave early last tuesday. [04:31] Bummer :-( [04:34] indeed [04:34] but I got paid yesterday so :-P [04:34] :-) [04:34] have bought computerparts for more than a 1/3 of what I got the same day I got them ;-) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.228] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] well, atleast my server will have new big chassi, more harddrives, more fans and 2 100Mbit 3Com and 1 1Gbit 3Com NICs ;-) [04:37] http://www.nafallo.info/~nafallo/stacker.pdf <-- the chassi FWIW ;-) === freeflyi2g [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.228] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:41] Man that is taking forever to download.. [04:42] hmm, maybe http should have more prio than the darknet then :-P === Nafallo rewrites ;-) [04:45] Gah, I wish I understood all this libfoo vs libfoo0 vs libfoo0c2a crap [04:47] there. that should get better performance :-) [04:47] hmm [04:47] but my IPv6 tunnel has bad prio now... === Nafallo goes to ponder some more ;-) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] zul ping [04:50] heh [04:50] i got good news and bad news ;) [04:50] bddebian: hope you get better speeds now :_) [04:50] :-) [04:53] re === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] Heya Toadstool [04:56] Nafallo: Ah yes much better :-) [04:56] good news it all worked the first try ( i'm booted into a xen DomU now, bad news is i had to boot into single user mode and run init 5 for x to come up for it to work ;( [04:56] Zul ^^ [04:56] err he's gone [04:56] heh === bddebian does the summon crimsun dance [04:57] bddebian: I had my looks on that chassi for a year or so now ;-) [04:57] heh === bddebian has his eyes on a sparc an amd64 and a ppc ;-P [04:58] hehe [04:58] nce [04:58] nice [04:59] bddebian: ;-) === imbrandon now just needs to figure out how to run more than one DomU now ;) === ubuntu-es [n=ubuntu@201.230.198.202] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121852.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lfittl [n=lfittl@85-125-227-23.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211_ [n=ash211@user-11216kg.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host202-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@238.205-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zdra [n=zdra@45.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=ash211@user-11213jt.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211_ [n=ash211@user-1121ga6.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arbiter [n=arbiter@unaffiliated/arbiter] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-0094.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] OK apparently trying openscenegraph was a mistake :-) === cassidy [n=cassidy@238.205-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast__ [n=martin@p508B2AF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@221.Red-83-58-174.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] bddebian, I tried to build the debian deb a few months ago for a friend, it was a really bad idea ;) [06:16] Gloubiboulga: Aye, my machine is choking on it :-) [06:17] hehe, I wonder what kind of machine can build this thing [06:18] mine almost died and never gave me a .deb [06:19] Gloubiboulga!!! :D [06:21] hi Arbiter [06:23] bddebian: the kdocker build bug should be fixed [06:24] the updated version of the package is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2907 [06:25] Arbiter: OK, I'll check it out if my machine ever recovers from openscenegraph :) [06:25] hehehe [06:25] no problem [06:25] Oh segfault, nice [06:25] heh :D === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] how long's it normally take between upload and hitting the repos? [06:47] Depends on several things [06:49] bddebian: days, weeks? [06:49] NO, usually a day or so [06:50] ah, I'll give it a couple more then [06:50] bluefoxicy: What package? [06:51] I got a mail thursday that said pax-utils was uploaded, I'm just waiting to see it hit the repo so I can swap out my "local or obsolete" with universe. [06:51] it's low priority so all the important stuff is probably pushing it back :P [06:52] bluefoxicy: 1:5-15? [06:53] what does THAT mean [06:53] That's the version that is in Edgy [06:54] Err 1.5-15 [06:54] synaptic is telling me the available versions are 0.1.13-0ubuntu1 (now) [06:54] you're looking at pax, the archiver [06:55] then it's probably in NEW and needs manual attention [06:55] azeem: oh, I thought it was stuck in a queue that goes up automatically [06:55] goes up [06:55] ? [06:55] "I've uploaded your pax-utils package.\nForwarding you the NEW mail from soyuz." [06:56] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=pax [06:56] ah, cool, I can view the status online :) [06:56] so it hasn't hit the buildd yet [06:57] bddebian: do you have any friggin' idea how to figure out the latest binutils upstream release [06:57] figure out what? [06:58] I see numbers like 2.17.50.0.2 [06:58] and I can only find "binutils 2.17" on sources.redhat [06:58] the former are H J Lu's releases I think [06:58] while the latter are the official GNU tarballs [06:58] http://sources.redhat.com/binutils/ Re [06:58] (I'd guess) [06:59] http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2006-06/msg00095.html "Attachment: binutils-2.17.50.0.2-hash-style.patch" Well, the RedHat developers seem to be aware of the latter [07:00] I'm trying to figure out if upstream has released binutils w/ --hash-style yet (it went into ld in CVS 2 merges ago) or if I'll have to bribe doko or whoever to patch it into our binutils/glibc after edgy === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121p91.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.114.91.123] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:38] bddebian: I fixed the kchmviewer problem (that it wasn't been put in /usr/bin) [07:43] anyone here ? === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:44] AnAnt: 101 people [07:44] azeem: ok, isn't the recover page on REVU going to be fixed ? [07:44] no idea [07:44] k [07:44] AnAnt: just ask your questions, don't wait for random people without clue to react first :) [07:45] it's the weekend, this chan is pretty low traffic [07:45] well, that was the question [07:45] oh ok [07:46] well, that was it [07:46] gotta go === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] Shoot, who else asked me about a review last night.. :-( === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser [n=michael@85.25.111.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] bddebian, me! [08:01] bddebian, you haven't advocated gnome-translate ;) === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] Gloubiboulga: I don't think it was you but I'll take a look at it [08:07] bddebian, no it wasn't me :) [08:12] Gloubiboulga: OK advocated but someone else has to look at it :) [08:12] bddebian, sure [08:13] thanks bddebian :) [08:13] Sure === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [jb] [n=juliano@c-71-204-5-104.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] Hmm, it would be nice if I could search REVU for all packages I have commented on.. [08:25] or those you have *not yet* commented on :) === lukketto [n=lukketto@host202-86.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:30] Well there's plenty of those.. :-) [08:30] I'm just one man.. And not the greatest reviewer at that.. :-( [08:34] Uhm, how can libbuffy have /usr/include/python-2.3 in a Makefile but not have a build-dep on any python stuff? [08:38] (does it actually require python2.3-dev to compile, though?) [08:40] crimsun: No but the changelog isn't exactly helpful either. In 0.2.x it says added build-dep for python, etc but never mentions dropping it later [08:40] I guess I'll just sync it, it just seems strange [08:41] OH, crimsun. Wanna help me understand osgcal [08:42] Oh, they seem to have removed the python-libbuffy binary [08:42] Err python-buffy even === bddebian takes that as a no [08:48] sorry bddebian, you don't get priority response time (on the phone) since you misrouted my pony. [08:49] bddebian: what's the issue w/ osgcal? [08:53] crimsun: The whole 0c2a transition thing [08:56] ah, to 0.1.39-1? [08:57] Aye [08:57] it'll have to be a merge regardless since we have libosgcal0c2a [08:57] Aye, I just didn't want to screw it up [08:59] I doubt you will; you've done enough of them to know the proper C/R. :) [08:59] Actually I really haven't for transitional packages [09:00] you should have [09:04] The question is, should libosgcal stay libosgcal0 from Debian? [09:05] it doesn't look like it ever transitioned on the Debian side [09:06] Aye [09:06] does it export a C or C++ interface? === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD_ [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:11] yep, and it was part of the libstdc++ allocator change [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-November/000016.html] === Pyrotica [n=Sunergos@213-250.207-68.se.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] bddebian: it would be worthwhile merging openscenegraph first [09:16] openscenegraph segfaults on build === Zdra_ [n=zdra@45.250-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] Not to mention it's a pig :-( [09:19] ah, that should make for an exciting weekend evening. [09:20] For whom? :-) [09:20] I'll look at it. [09:21] crimsun: openscenegraph or osgcal? [09:21] the former. [09:22] doesn't make much sense to proceed with the latter until the former is merged [09:22] Oh, aye [09:25] Who is gborzi? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pyrotica [n=Sunergos@213-250.207-68.se.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] lfittl: ping? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] Heya Amaranth [09:46] hey [09:46] public wifi at libraries ftw [09:47] bddebian: pong [09:47] .oO( you identified over a public wifi? ) [09:47] crimsun: oh no, freenode botnets will take over! [09:48] ohnoes! [09:48] heh [09:48] lfittl: Hey, I just realized someone has a package for glest on REVU, did you know that? [09:49] bddebian: oh, no, but I guess this package still has the licensing problems [09:49] Aye [09:49] Well the data package anyway [09:51] bddebian: I looked at the forum thread about scourge data licensing, but this thread is a little old and there doesn't seem to be much interest in it anymore :/ [09:55] something different, whats the best solution to the following problem: one of my to-be-packaged games, freeorion, links directly to some graphviz libs that are located in /usr/lib/graphviz, which means it won't find them on startup without modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH [09:56] my approach would be to write a simple wrapper that sets the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH, anybody have a better idea? [09:58] lfittl: At runtime? [09:59] lfittl: Do you happen to have a URL for the scourge forum discussion? [09:59] bddebian: what at runtime? [09:59] LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [09:59] bddebian: will search it again, easy to find [10:00] where are they in fact installed, /usr/lib/ ? [10:00] bddebian: http://scourge.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46 [10:00] it smells of rpath [10:00] the needed graphviz libs are in /usr/lib/graphviz, and freeorion searchs for them in /usr/lib [10:00] rpath? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] crimsun: ah, rpath, that could work (didn't know that something like this existed) :) [10:03] lfittl: Is the scourge data not even a candidate for multiverse? === bddebian is far from knowledgeable about licensing issues [10:04] bddebian: don't know, problem is we don't have a defined license, and don't even know all the copyright holders [10:04] Ah, OK [10:05] as upstream has taken some models from various "free models" websites, and the creator of some old music files didn't specify a license and is now gone (if I remember correctly) [10:06] although we could propably work around the music file problem be simply not including them, missing music is not the worst thing, missing models are more problematic [10:13] Well I posted a question, though it is probably too vague :-) [10:15] bddebian: lets hope there is at least one artist interested, that would be enough to get the license problem into their heads again :) [10:16] Aye [10:20] crimsun: it's a junk password [10:20] crimsun: i only use it on freenode [10:20] Amaranth: (was being facetious ;) [10:20] and, uh, i live in sioux city, iowa. wifi is magic to like 99.9999% of the population [10:20] heh [10:22] There are probably only about a dozen guys in this town who would even know how to do something like that and I know all of them. :) [10:22] damn, dist-upgrade is slow === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable069.137-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] bddebian: hi (about 5h30 later :) [10:37] and hi everybody [10:37] 'lo [10:37] hey crimsun [10:37] Heh, hi Toadstool === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] I hate that, I have to run everywhere to prepare my trip and can't stay more than 5 minutes in front of my computer :p [10:45] bddebian: bug 56935 [10:45] Malone bug 56935 in openscenegraph "[Edgy MoM] Please sync openscenegraph 1.0.0-9 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56935 [10:46] OH, hehe [10:46] Might be interesting though [10:46] bddebian: took a while to build, but it built successfully on i386 and amd64. [10:46] Oh, you did that? [10:46] yes, I just filed it a minute ago [10:46] Rockin' [10:46] you guys have to be insane to try to build that piece of software :p [10:47] took a solid hour of build time [10:51] crimsun: about mldonkey in dapper, I uploaded an updated package a few weeks ago to dapper-updates but the package "disappeared"... I wonder whether I did something wrong :/ [10:52] Toadstool: w/ approval from mdz/kamion? [10:52] huhu nope [10:53] I have to ask mdz/kamion before uploading? [10:53] right, infinity/keybuk will blackhole them (approximately) unless you have approval [10:53] yes [10:53] ok, understood [10:53] I should have asked before doing anything [10:54] <\sh> re [10:54] 'lo \sh [10:54] hi \sh [10:55] <\sh> how's live? [10:55] crazy, and yours? [10:56] <\sh> too much work :) [10:58] <\sh> just preparing new wine [10:58] nice :) [11:02] <\sh> argl...it's always a pain to switch between a uk layout and a german layout.... [11:03] \sh! [11:03] <\sh> bddebian: :) [11:16] <\sh> I wonder if bluetooth is still working on this t43 after upgrading to edgy....or is it just disappearing like on the r200? [11:16] hi \sh [11:17] <\sh> re ajmitch === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asimon [n=asimon@p54A5D429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nbdyspcl [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:41] Greetings. If upstream only offers the source as a bz2 archive, I unpack, and 'gzip -9' it to get a orig.tar.gz. Is this the right way? === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-239-3.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:43] it's the "least worst" [11:44] if you do that and Debian does that, then you'll likely end up with *sum mismatches for the orig.tar.gz, which is, well, a PITA [11:45] crimsun: So what's the most elegant way to handle it? [11:46] asimon: is said package in Debian already? [11:46] <\sh> didn't dpkg work with bz2? [11:46] crimsun: No, not in Debian or Ubuntu so far. [11:46] asimon: do you plan to submit it to Debian? (Hopefully you do.) [11:47] crimsun: The plan was to first upload it to revu [11:49] asimon: sure. Well if there's no ITP (see bugs.do/wnpp) for it, then I suppose you'll have to go the route you just described. === trpr [n=ftg2@69.92.30.201] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] crimsun: No ITP so far. [11:53] \sh: When I run dpkg-sources with a bz2 instead of a gz tarball it generates automatically a tar.gz file but without the 'orig' part and the source won't appear in the dsc file. [11:53] crimsun: Thank you. [11:54] <\sh> asimon: yeah...just tried... [11:55] <\sh> crimsun: what would you do to debug a strange grub behaviour...which is only shown on dapper? [11:56] <\sh> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/56780 [11:56] Malone bug 56780 in grub "grub doesn't work with Compaq SmartArray P600 SAS Controller" [Medium,Unconfirmed] [11:57] \sh: a picture might help === crimsun hoorays for zul :D [11:58] <\sh> zul: well..."GRUB Hard Disk Error" ;) that's all what is shown during boot up [11:58] ok maybe not.. [11:58] \sh: what are the disks again? [11:58] <\sh> zul 4 disks as raid0 configured (hw raid) sata [11:58] /dev/dsk/c or something [11:58] <\sh> /dev/cciss/c0d0 [11:59] ah yes.. [11:59] <\sh> ubuntu grub has some patches for it...to recognize them...but sles9 grub doesn't have any patches for this...but sles9 version works [11:59] weird.. [11:59] <\sh> yepp [12:00] can you put up the source rpm somewhere? [12:00] <\sh> zul: on monday when I'm back in the office.. [12:00] ok..remind me on monday then [12:01] <\sh> zul: kk [12:02] <\sh> and it's just not working on this piece of hw [12:02] <\sh> areca 16 channel raid6 sata controller just works. non sata smartarrays are working too. [12:03] just the ccis crap [12:04] you might want to put in some printk to see what is happeneing [12:04] <\sh> zul: if I could I would have done it already = [12:04] <\sh> grmpf === \sh is to stupid to change from uk layout to german layout === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu