[12:09] <geser> as far as I see it, a sync wouldn't help much
[12:10] <geser> from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-osd/gnome-osd_0.11.2-3.diff.gz:
[12:10] <geser> Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python2.4-dbus (>= 0.60), python-pyorbit-omg, python2.4-pyorbit-omg, python-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2, python-gtk2, python2.4-gtk2
[12:10] <geser> the versioned depends on python2.4-dbus is still there
[12:11] <crimsun> that's purportedly a bug in the python policy.
[12:12] <geser> in edgy python2.4-dbus is only provided by python-dbus not a real package
[12:13] <crimsun> right, you'll just have to remerge it.
[12:14] <crimsun> well, I mucked up the assignment, so I'll handle it.
[12:32] <crimsun> geser: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004097.html
[12:32] <bluefoxicy> ...................................................
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> is sounder ubuntu-sounder@ or just sounder@
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> I tried google.  Mark Shuttleworth has now confirmed on the ubuntu-sounder mailing list > that he has not eaten a lot of babies.
[12:33] <crimsun> sounder@
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> thanks.
[12:35] <geser> is some here familiar with gcj and g++?
[12:38] <|Prezu|> I've just uploaded a Kadu package to REVU, but I forgot to add a "-sa" option to dpkg-buildpackage, so... there's no .orig.tag.gz...
[12:39] <|Prezu|> Could someone please help me with that?
[12:39] <crimsun> regenerate the _source.changes, and dput -f
[12:41] <|Prezu|> crimsun: http://kadu.net/~patryk/tmp/dput.log
[12:43] <|Prezu|> crimsun: Do I have to remove existing .dsc with dcut somehow?
[12:44] <crimsun> no, just dput -f
[12:44] <ajmitch> morning
[12:44] <crimsun> hi ajmitch.
[12:45] <crimsun> |Prezu|: ajmitch is a revu admin; he may can help.
[12:45] <ajmitch> |Prezu|: if you interrupted the upload, it needs deleted manually
[12:46] <ajmitch> do you want the partial upload removed?
[12:46] <|Prezu|> ajmitch: Yes, please. :)
[12:49] <ajmitch> done
[12:49] <|Prezu|> thanks. :)
[01:01] <imbrandon> heya everyone
[01:04] <geser> when a package needs only a rebuild to get the depends uptodate, all I need to change is the changelog mentioning the rebuild?
[01:11] <Toadstool> g'night
[01:25] <imbrandon> gnight Toadstool
[01:38] <ajmitch> imbrandon: how could you?
[01:39] <ajmitch> making people think that they'll get kde 4 in edgy...
[01:39] <imbrandon> huh ?
[01:39] <imbrandon> ajmitch: Riddell said its a possibility in universe for a preview
[01:39] <imbrandon> heh, i'll edit it, hold on
[01:40] <imbrandon> "just in case"
[01:41] <imbrandon> ajmitch: heh changed, give it 5 minutes to show up on planet
[01:42] <imbrandon> ajmitch: what do you have a constant rss notifier for planet ? heh , i couldent have posted that a minute before you said something ;)
[01:43] <ajmitch> imbrandon: mugshot
[01:43] <ajmitch> pops up on the desktop for fridge & planet articles
[01:43] <imbrandon> mugshot ? mine or a program ?
[01:43] <imbrandon> ahh
[01:43] <imbrandon> cool
[01:47] <ajmitch> so when will kde 4 be released? 12 months?
[01:52] <imbrandon> heh the final rc should be late oct
[01:52] <ajmitch> people that file wishlist bugs as specs
[01:52] <ajmitch> imbrandon: and how much work still needs done on things like plasma?
[01:52] <imbrandon> afaik a ton but a ton has been done too
[01:52] <imbrandon> plasma is probably the laste developed so far
[01:53] <imbrandon> solid is lookin good though
[01:53] <imbrandon> yea its ambitious all right but i dont think it will be THAT late
[01:53] <ajmitch> heh
[01:53] <imbrandon> personaly i'm thinking by the end of the year
[01:53] <imbrandon> just from what i've seen
[01:54] <ajmitch> from what I've read, there hasn't been nearly enough done on plasma to release it in ~2 months
[01:54] <imbrandon> true , heh i just knew thats what they "said" on the ML and other places hehehe like i said end of the year is more likely
[01:55] <ajmitch> though kde are probably another project that abuse the term RC
[01:55] <imbrandon> hahah yea
[01:55] <imbrandon> ohh 200th episode of sg-1 is on tongiht
[01:56] <imbrandon> looks like i need to bust out the lappy
[01:56] <imbrandon> fskin wireless stoped working on it the other day
[01:56] <ajmitch> haha
[01:56] <imbrandon> well wireless in linux
[01:56] <ajmitch> reading the mailing list - no roadmap because of aseigo continually getting asked about status
[01:56] <imbrandon> osx still works so its something with the driver i'm sure
[01:56] <imbrandon> hahaha
[01:57] <ajmitch> seems to be a continual stream of 'are we there yet?' posts on the panel-devel list
[01:58] <imbrandon> yea thats why alot of them stoped being anwsered
[01:58] <imbrandon> but alot of that is becouse there is no set road map
[01:58] <ajmitch> which aseigo refuses to provide
[01:59] <ajmitch> with good reason, it seems
[01:59] <imbrandon> yup, catch 22 thats good i ways ;)
[01:59] <imbrandon> in*
[02:00] <ajmitch> who knows, there may be kde 4 in time for edgy+1 then
[02:01] <imbrandon> yea i think so
[02:01] <imbrandon> it should build fine in edgy ( thats one of our goals is to make it compile clean by edgys release ) but probably wont hit the repos till edgy+1
[02:02] <ajmitch> you're still asking for pain
[02:03] <imbrandon> hehe hold on , lemme grab my lappy, show's comming on
[02:03] <imbrandon> i ran kde from cvs in the 2.x days
[02:03] <imbrandon> on redhat
[02:03] <imbrandon> heh
[02:03] <ajmitch> yes, I was doing this on mandrake
[02:04] <imbrandon> i rember DAYS to compile
[02:04] <imbrandon> lol
[02:04] <ajmitch> I still have that box here
[02:04] <ajmitch> not that it works
[02:11] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:12] <imbrandon_> ...
[02:12] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[02:13] <imbrandon_> heya bddebian
[02:14] <bddebian> shawarma: Still around?
[02:15] <imbrandon_> heh i'm in Stargate mode tonight, the "Behind" SG-1 is on right now, and SG-1 200th epsidode is on after that and the new Stargate Atlantis is on after that heh
[02:15] <bddebian> Oh joy :-)
[02:15] <imbrandon_> stargate is almost as good as st:tng ;)
[02:15] <bddebian> Anyone have any requests before I get to "work"? :-)
[02:16] <imbrandon_> not i bddebian ;)
[02:17] <bddebian> Bah, you're no help :-)
[02:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: fix the universe
[02:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: Merges, bugs, what? :-)
[02:18] <bddebian> crimsun: Did you already do openct?
[02:18] <crimsun> bddebian: no
[02:18] <bddebian> How do we even stuff in to dapper-updates?
[02:19] <crimsun> bddebian: oh, you meant the triaging part? Yes, I did that.
[02:19] <ajmitch> talk to mdz
[02:19] <crimsun> I generated a debdiff and subbed ubuntu-release
[02:19] <ajmitch> or prepare a well-tested update & subscribe ubuntu-release
[02:19] <bddebian> crimsun: Ah, OK
[02:19] <bddebian> thx
[02:20] <ajmitch> getting a response is another matter
[02:20] <bddebian> Hmm what to do then..
[02:21] <bddebian> Damn I swore I already did something with libnss-ldap
[02:22] <ajmitch> quite probably
[02:22] <StevenK> bddebian: Purged it like the POS it is?
[02:22] <bddebian> Heh, no requested a sync or so
[02:22] <bddebian> StevenK: Speaking of which, are you going to merge pygtkmvc StevenK?
[02:22] <crimsun> hmm, interesting UI change in quod libet 0.23
[02:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: bug 55737
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55737 in libnss-ldap "[Sync Request]  libnss-ldap 251-5" [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55737
[02:24] <bddebian> OH yeah, thx ajmitch
[02:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: How did you find that rejected bug?  When I did a search for bugs on libnss-ldap it didn't show up
[02:28] <ajmitch> simple
[02:29] <ajmitch> the little link that says 'All bugs ever reported'
[02:30] <bddebian> Uhm.. hmm
[02:31] <bddebian> Oh
[02:31] <bddebian> Hmm, I wonder why she rejected xbvl?
[02:45] <StevenK> bddebian: I'd like to, but it was NMU'd, which makes it harder.
[02:45] <StevenK> bddebian: It can probably be synced, but 0.9.2-1.1 < 0.9.2-1ubuntu1
[02:48] <welshbyte> bddebian: well suggestions are welcome :)
[02:49] <bddebian> welshbyte: See if you can package a newer gnu-smalltalk from upstream? :-)
[02:49] <bddebian> OK, what am I doing wrong here? dpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 > 0.9.2-1ubuntu1
[02:50] <ajmitch> > is special
[02:50] <ajmitch> you just created a file called 0.9.2-1ubuntu1
[02:50] <welshbyte> hehe
[02:50] <bddebian> Oh yeah, hehe
[02:50] <welshbyte> bddebian: sounds like a challenge... *gulp*
[02:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, how do I grab what --compare-versions outputs?
[02:52] <StevenK> dpkg --compare-versions 0.9.2-1.1 gt 0.9.2-1ubuntu1 && echo 'yes'
[02:52] <StevenK> Or use a shell that actually tells you when things exit non zero.
[02:52] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog
[02:52] <StevenK> zsh: exit 1     grep notfound debian/linda/trunk/debian/changelog
[02:53] <bddebian> StevenK: Well according to that -1.1 is gt 1ubuntu1
[02:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: which is what StevenK said several minutes ago
[02:53] <ajmitch> actually no
[02:54] <StevenK> I tested this before, I'm sure of it.
[02:54] <StevenK> Maybe it was for a different NMU.
[02:54] <bddebian> Well I didn't think 1.1 was lt 1ubuntu1
[02:54] <bddebian> But I'm not so smart ya know
[02:54] <ajmitch> character strings are meant to be less than nearly everything
[02:54] <StevenK> bddebian: Anyway, you're right, I'll look it soonish.
[02:55] <bddebian> NP
[02:55] <StevenK> at it, damn it all
[02:56] <bddebian> StevenK: And what about inn2?
[02:57] <StevenK> Which doesn't appear on the MoM page.
[02:57] <bddebian> inn2?
[02:57] <StevenK> Heh, I don't remember merging/syncing inn2.
[02:57] <bddebian> hehe
[02:58] <bddebian> I can look at it if you want
[02:58] <welshbyte> bddebian: were you referring to bug #887 ?
[02:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 887 in gnu-smalltalk "blox-tk was not built because of bad tkConfig.sh" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/887
[02:58] <bddebian> welshbyte: Well sort of.  That actually needs a rebuilt tcl8.3 or some such.  I just noticed that gnu-smalltalk is out of date in Debian and Ubuntu
[02:59] <welshbyte> ah i see
[02:59] <StevenK> bddebian: I'm more than happy to, but I'd just like to know why you know it needs looking at.
[03:00] <bddebian> StevenK: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[03:01] <StevenK> Ah.
[03:03] <bddebian> Ack, it hasn't been updated since hoary
[03:07] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:07] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Why did you reject your xbvl sync request?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:07] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah, because at the time, it ftbfs, iirc?
[03:07] <bddebian> Hmm, OK
[03:07] <Hobbsee> bddebian: did you make it build?
[03:08] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I didn't try yet because you had requested it :-)
[03:16] <bddebian> If debian-edu is 0.806 is 0.806-0ubuntu1 appropriate or 0.806ubuntu1 as dholbach did?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah yes, but i hit reject
[03:18] <welshbyte> if it came from debian then i guess it ould be thought of as 0-0.806 with the 0- chopped off so i'd go with 0.806ubuntu1 :)
[03:18] <welshbyte> s/ould/could/
[03:18] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it's annoying to do it that way
[03:19] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Which way?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it messes with the version numbers, for the next sync
[03:19] <Hobbsee> 0.806ubuntu1
[03:19] <Hobbsee> seeing as u will beat -
[03:19] <Hobbsee> so the debian version cant be synced across, as the ubuntu version is newer
[03:19] <Hobbsee> unless it moves to 0.807
[03:19] <ajmitch> which is likely
[03:20] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:20] <ajmitch> since it's intended to be a native package
[03:20] <bddebian> Well it will never be syncable anyway since it uses Debian sources.lists :-)
[03:20] <bddebian> So, what's the consensus, 0.806ubuntu1?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah right, that's okay then
[03:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: why not send our changes to them?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> maybe send our apt-setup to them :P
[03:22] <Hobbsee> oh dear, a lot more people running ubuntu now :P
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[03:22] <bddebian> How the hell does bluefoxicy pass me on Top Contributors?  Does he actually contribute anything? ;-P
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i think i beat you too?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> it's probably on crack though.
[03:24] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  when the hell DO I contribute anything
[03:24] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: That's what I'm asking :-)
[03:25] <bddebian> Hobbsee: What's on crack?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> bddebian: those stats
[03:25] <bddebian> Ah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i dont remember who did them, but they warned at the time, that hte first version was a bit crazy, and likely wasnt right
[03:25] <Hobbsee> it looks like bits have been added to it now though
[03:27] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Are you implying that it isn't possible that I'm ahead of you? :-)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, not at all :P
[03:28] <bddebian> I don't even know who Jeff Bailes is :-)
[03:29] <welshbyte> is feature freeze the deadline for syncing from debian or universe freeze?
[03:30] <ajmitch> universe freeze
[03:30] <ajmitch> after that you need exceptions for new upstream releases
[03:30] <welshbyte> good good
[03:30] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, fo rmain
[03:31] <ajmitch> yes, the important parts of the distro, where features generally get developer time
[03:34] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Ah yes, xbvl wants GLw and we don't ship those anymore..
[03:35] <bddebian> How can you figure out what FEATURES are available to /configure --disable-FEATURE ?
[03:36] <ajmitch> look in configure.ac or configure.in
[03:36] <bddebian> Aye but what do I look for?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> bddebian: that's the one
[03:36] <ajmitch> stuff
[03:36] <bddebian> Wow, thx
[03:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:36] <Hobbsee> useful
[03:37] <ajmitch> seriously, just have a look
[03:37] <bddebian> But what am I looking FOR?
[03:38] <welshbyte> "--disable"
[03:38] <Hobbsee> GLw?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:38] <bddebian> Well GLw gets added if MESA is enabled, it's not seperate afaict
[03:39] <Hobbsee> guess you shouldnt disable mesa?
[03:40] <bddebian> I was wondering about that
[03:40] <bddebian> I thought about just removing -lGLw but I am not quite sure what that would break
[03:48] <crimsun> bddebian: / bluefoxicy: spec-tracking.
[03:48] <bddebian> Ah, well for Edgy+1 I'm doing nothing but specs.. ;-P
[03:49] <crimsun> what's the problem with GLw?
[03:50] <bddebian> They were removed from the mesa-swx package in main
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> oh
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[03:50] <bluefoxicy> I actually have like 6 specs I didn't actually submit as specs
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> because I'm quite well aware it won't happen.
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> also tseng will come to my house and nail me to the wall
[03:51] <bddebian> Sweet, can I watch :-)
[03:51] <crimsun> bddebian: mesa now provides libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev and mesa-swx11-source
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> with a hammer and nails >.>
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> geeze bddebian :P
[03:51] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: just remind him of BdDebianIsAGod.
[03:52] <bddebian> crimsun: Aye but the GLw lib files were removed
[03:52] <crimsun> it's humourous, because everything he does contradicts his protests. :-p
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> heh
[03:52] <bddebian> crimsun: What?
[03:52] <bddebian> My protests?
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  i'm thinking of looking to see if there's a fast reboot/kexec spec yet
[03:53] <tseng> h/me wakes up
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> if you saw my post on -devel@
[03:53] <crimsun> bddebian: e.g., your current karma rank as a Ubuntu contributor nullifies your claim that you don't do anything
[03:53] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: Why not build or fix some packages instead?
[03:53] <tseng> i am too busy upgrading my 770 to fool around with bluefoxicy
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[03:53] <tseng> hi
[03:53] <bddebian> crimsun: Well apparently I don't do anything "worthwhile"
[03:53] <tseng> 770 rules
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> uh
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> I am not even going to try to read what he just said.
[03:54] <crimsun> bddebian: except for hoard karma points ;-p
[03:54] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  I do stuff like http://lwn.net/Articles/192082/ to try to get useful stuff on the devs' screens :P
[03:55] <bluefoxicy> and let them figure out how to make it happen
[04:02] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh yeah, that's worhtwhile
[04:03] <bddebian> So are Mesa and OpenGL different "things" or is Mesa an implementation of the OpenGL standard?
[04:04] <tseng> mesa is a version of opengl
[04:04] <tseng> in software
[04:04] <ajmitch> that can use DRI for hardware acceleration
[04:05] <ajmitch> unlike nvidia who decide to supply a full GL implementation with their drivers
[04:05] <tseng> (nvidia-glx)
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> mesa is opengl using whatever's around.  If nothing's around it uses software.
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> on various platforms Mesa uses various things; on Linux, it uses DRI in X.
[04:07] <bddebian> Ah, thx
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> Hopefully somebody standardizes some sort of OpenGL "is this feature here" function like in DirectX
[04:08] <bddebian> Sacriledge :-)
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> OpenGL is super-abstract.  If a feature isn't around, it emulates it in software.
[04:09] <bddebian> shawarma: You really there or just a re-connect?
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> You can never know if a feature isn't there
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> so you just shoot and hope you hit hardware instead of software.
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> directX has a command that lets you ask it if a particular feature is available; if it's not, then you can work around it, just not enable it
[04:10] <bddebian> Damnit, it actually uses GLw functions :-(
[04:11] <bddebian> sudo rm -rf xbvl
[04:16] <ajmitch> excellent, more broken backports
[04:16] <ajmitch> how I hate it what that happens
[04:17] <ajmitch> nexu: no, it's not your fault this time - in this case it's compiz-related :)
[04:17] <nexu> lol
[04:18] <ajmitch> someone decided it'd be a great idea to backport vte
[04:18] <ajmitch> except there's an SONAME change, which breaks any app that uses it
[04:19] <Yagisan> nice.
[04:19] <Gloubiboulga> so this is what breaks synaptic
[04:19] <bddebian> Heya Gloubiboulga
[04:19] <Yagisan> I thought backports are supposed to be tested first
[04:19] <ajmitch> Gloubiboulga: yep
[04:19] <ajmitch> Yagisan: third-party backports
[04:19] <Gloubiboulga> there's been a lot of "bug reports" in the fr community
[04:19] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian
[04:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch, ah, like if someone is dumb and grabs my mplayer for dapper
[04:21] <bddebian> I wonder if janimo would get upset if I tried xfce4-goodies
[04:21] <Yagisan> ajmitch, complete with inablity to play dvds ;)
[04:21] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, go ahead
[04:21] <tseng> hello Yagisan
[04:21] <welshbyte> bddebian: did we fix bug #43359 yesterday?
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43359 in prismstumbler "no man page" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43359
[04:22] <crimsun> bddebian: if you break it, I'll kill ALL your cows.
[04:22] <Yagisan> G'day tseng
[04:22] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yes, did I not close that one?
[04:22] <welshbyte> bddebian: still on "confirmed"
[04:22] <bddebian> welshbyte: Ah, please close
[04:23] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[04:23] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[04:23] <bddebian> crimsun: Fine I won't touch it then, thanks
[04:27] <Yagisan> hey guys, is there an idiots guide to contest so I can add some amd boxes to the Optimised kernel thread ?
[04:30] <bddebian> OK obviously popplerkit.framework is fsckd
[04:30] <Fujitsu> Yay for fscked things.
[04:30] <crimsun> 15:41 < bddebian> FIX IT! :-)
[04:31] <crimsun> so bddebian, fix it.
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Anybody got an idea why my Dell Inspiron 630m's CD drive won't automount when inserted, nor detect an audio CD at all?
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Silly Edgy...
[04:31] <Fujitsu> Works fine with Hoary->Dapper.
[04:32] <crimsun> did you disable the automount options in g-v-m (presume you're using gnome)?
[04:32] <Fujitsu> No, they're all enabled, and yes I'm using Gnome :)
[04:33] <Fujitsu> I don't use the CD drive much, so I didn't notice when it broke.
[04:33] <bddebian> crimsun: I was looking but afaict it's gone from upstream :-(
[04:35] <welshbyte> bddebian: um, looks like the man page doesn't get installed... doesn't dh_installman need to be told which file to install?
[04:43] <bddebian> welshbyte: Uhm yeah.  In my excitement I think I forgot to actually install it :-(
[04:45] <Fujitsu> It seems that gstreamer 0.10 has issues with reading audio CDs, whereas 0.8 works fine... Presumably 0.10 utilises some part of the thing that's not detecting the CDs, whereas 0.8 doesn't...
[04:47] <welshbyte> bddebian: oh well, no harm done :)
[04:48] <welshbyte> right i'm off to bed, good night all
[05:17] <bddebian> WTH is diff --git ?
[05:27] <lwylie> hello everyone
[05:29] <bddebian> Hello lwylie
[05:32] <bddebian> Ggaaaahhh
[05:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: C'mon man, I need help :-(
[05:40] <ajmitch> then ask a question
[05:40] <bddebian> I did
[05:40] <bddebian> WTH is diff --git ?
[05:41] <ajmitch> and you mentioned that it was from debian/patches
[05:41] <bddebian>  tulip has .diff files in debian/patches that start with diff --git which isn't even a valid option
[05:41] <ajmitch> which implies that it's in the patch header, and is ignored when applying patches
[05:41] <ajmitch> so what is the actual problem?
[05:41] <bddebian> I need to add a patch and I'm not sure how to do it
[05:43] <ajmitch> so where do you see this? in current edgy source, or debian?
[05:43] <bddebian> Latest debian
[05:45] <ajmitch> ah yes, changelog does have the details
[05:46] <ajmitch> grab stgit
[05:46] <ajmitch> though you can probably manage fine just creating a patch the usual way
[05:47] <ajmitch> patches seem to be applied already, and are in debian/patches just for documenting the changes
[05:48] <ajmitch> it doesn't appear that the maintainer ships the necessary git tree
[05:50] <bddebian> Aye, I was just reading the bug
[05:50] <bddebian> Apparently they are supposed to be packaging 2.0.5 EVENTUALLY so I may bag off of it
[05:51] <ajmitch> which I should really add to mine
[05:52] <bddebian> :-)
[05:52] <bddebian> Damnit, now I'm demotived :-(
[05:52] <bddebian> Sorry to bug you ajmitch
[06:50] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:44] <Plug> Hi all
[07:47] <ajmitch> hi Plug
[07:47] <Plug> you're the only person whos ever awake here in NZST :)
[07:47] <Plug> I'm just heading out for the evening, but anyone interested in PPTP might want to have a look at http://craig.dubculture.co.nz/blog/
[07:48] <Plug> i'm in the process of pushing it towards REVU tomorrow, all goign well
[07:48] <ajmitch> 'out for the evening' means off to watch the rugby? :)
[07:48] <Plug> not really, going to a bbq.  unsure if the rugby will be on, I don't care all that much about the sport personally
[07:48] <Plug> Cricket is where my head is at
[07:48] <StevenK> Oh, that reminds me.
[07:49] <ajmitch> Plug: yeah, might as well push it to REVU
[07:49] <ajmitch> it'll be easier to check over then
[09:01] <Arbiter> heya all!
[09:01] <Arbiter> i'm finally back from my 21-days vacation :)
[09:08] <imbrandon> wb Arbiter
[09:08] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso
[09:11] <Arbiter> :)
[09:20] <imbrandon> ajmitch or StevenK care to look over http://pastebin.ca/138530 before i submit it to my DD to check again
[09:21] <imbrandon> ( or if your feeling like it go ahead and sponsor me LOL )
[09:23] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee
[09:23] <Arbiter> Hobbsee!!! :D
[09:24] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, Arbiter :)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia :)
[09:25] <sladen> Burgundavia: give us the low-down on Ubucon
[09:25] <Arbiter> uhm... kdocker was approved but not added to the NEW queue
[09:25] <sladen> Burgundavia: what's happening today?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> sladen: it was good and will be good tomorrow. I will blog tomorrow
[09:25] <Burgundavia> we talked
[09:25] <Burgundavia> Jane gave out tshirts. Drank free google beer
[09:25] <Arbiter> ah... uhm... a build failure...
[09:25] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: nice
[09:25] <Burgundavia> whip|lwe talked about large deployments
[09:25] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: heh.  that'd be why
[09:26] <Burgundavia> google has nice headquarters
[09:26] <imbrandon> did whip|lwe finaly blog ?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> not yet
[09:26] <imbrandon> hehe ;)
[09:26] <Burgundavia> he has gone to bed
[09:26] <sladen> Burgundavia: what do the new t-shirts look like?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> on the front, ubuntu logo over the name
[09:26] <Burgundavia> on the back "Do you Ubuntu?'
[09:26] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: i'll try the build in an updated pbuilder
[09:26] <Burgundavia> I got asked in the bar last night about what ubuntu was
[09:27] <Burgundavia> they are a light tan colour
[09:27] <imbrandon> hahah cool Burgundavia
[09:27] <sladen> Burgundavia: "wanna find out, nudge, nudge, wink, wink"
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: you mean you werent already?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> given I was seriously pissed, I have no idea if I was coherent
[09:27] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: yup
[09:27] <imbrandon> lol
[09:27] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: what was the build log?
[09:27] <Arbiter> i've alredy tested it in pbuilder
[09:27] <Hobbsee> s/what/where/?
[09:28] <sladen> "it's like a pirate copy of MS Windows, but legal.  BTW, *you* are legal, aren't you?"
[09:28] <Arbiter> but i didn't have that problem (read kdocker comments)
[09:28] <Burgundavia> and then mdz sang with the transexual bar singer
[09:28] <Burgundavia> it was great
[09:29] <Arbiter> i can't reproduce that error.... my last build in the pbuilder environment worked
[09:29] <sladen> Burgundavia: got any memories from the Penguin Bowl?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> yes, we handed Novell their asses. It was hilarious
[09:29] <sladen> Burgundavia: any favourite questions?  Or can you remember the final score?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> 25000k to 21000k
[09:29] <Burgundavia> they did well in the final question
[09:30] <Burgundavia> it was 14000 to 9000 going into that one
[09:30] <Burgundavia> the novell guys were shocked whip|lwe and I were community members
[09:30] <imbrandon> yea thats what whip|lwe said earlier
[09:30] <sladen> Burgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> no idea
[09:31] <imbrandon> lol
[09:31] <Burgundavia> malcolm was brilliant
[09:31] <Burgundavia> he got all the old scifi questions
[09:31] <Burgundavia> plus we got all the novell questions
[09:31] <Burgundavia> including the "what does Suse stand for"
[09:31] <imbrandon> heh
[09:31] <imbrandon> lol
[09:31] <Burgundavia> and the "what is not a Novell linux product?"
[09:32] <imbrandon> what DOES it stand for ?
[09:32] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2801
[09:32] <sladen> Burgundavia: did they manage to get "what does 'Ubuntu' mean"?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: software and something
[09:32] <Burgundavia> sladen: hmm, don't remember if they asked such a question
[09:32] <sladen> Burgundavia: well, you did have mdy on the team, I think he'd know a bit about Suse ;-)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> did have a mark one
[09:32] <Burgundavia> just a tad
[09:32] <sladen> Burgundavia: what was the Mark one?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> mdy also got the os/2 questions, have worked as product manager on it
[09:32] <Burgundavia> who is this man
[09:32] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: looks like bddebian's pbuilder is borked - it should be building with fakeroot
[09:33] <Burgundavia> oh, and then there is a the Ipod dance
[09:33] <Burgundavia> I got the steve jobs question right "who is this man: picture"
[09:33] <nixternal> [02:30]  <sladen> Burgundavia: they didn't think anyone else would do it for free?
[09:33] <imbrandon> heh
[09:33] <nixternal> my family thinks im nuts for this ;)
[09:33] <Burgundavia> then for the bonus we got "steve jobs turtlenecks" and had to dance the ipod dance
[09:33] <Burgundavia> you know, the black silohuette one
[09:33] <imbrandon> hahahah
[09:33] <sladen> Burgundavia: oh, not the Steve Balmer one?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> no, no ballmer questions
[09:34] <imbrandon> no one thew chairs ? heh
[09:34] <Burgundavia> but they did have the gates quote about os/2 "this is the most significant os in our time"
[09:34] <imbrandon> threw*
[09:34] <Burgundavia> mdy got that one
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I missed the Serenity/Firefly question "what is the name of this ship"
[09:34] <Burgundavia> which apparently nobody is letting me live down
[09:34] <imbrandon> ouch
[09:35] <sladen> "firefly" ?
[09:35] <imbrandon> tv show
[09:35] <Burgundavia> I said Firefly .... :(
[09:35] <Burgundavia> us sci fi series, very good
[09:35] <Arbiter> Hobbsee: uhm? so it's a bddebian's problem?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: i'd say so
[09:35] <Burgundavia> sladen: at least you didn't answer the question wrong out in front of 100+ people and a video camera
[09:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: your machine stil building?
[09:36] <Burgundavia> there is a video somewhere
[09:36] <Arbiter> i did 3 pbuilder builds (i use fakeroot) and it works
[09:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: yup kde4 is takin forever, probably will be building all night
[09:36] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to crash, I am tired and it is 1am
[09:36] <Burgundavia> sorry for taking over the channel
[09:36] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: hehe cool later
[09:36] <Arbiter> i have a kdocker .deb produced by pbuilder
[09:36] <sladen> Burgundavia: fantastic.  Sleep well!  Happy Ubuconning
[09:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool, okay
[09:37] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: of course you should
[09:37] <Arbiter> maybe i need to update the pbuilder... wait a sec...
[09:37] <imbrandon> i can test build on my lappy ( as long as it compiles on ppc though )
[09:38] <imbrandon> what ya need tested ?
[09:38] <Arbiter> mhmhmh
[09:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nothing.  test build
[09:39] <Arbiter> build fails with an updated pbuilder env...
[09:39] <Arbiter> ARGH!
[09:39] <Arbiter> :P
[09:39] <Arbiter> (my last build was 24 days ago)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: heh.  i hate that.
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: i believe that's pitti's, or someone else's bug
[09:40] <Arbiter> maybe a buildd bug?
[09:41] <Arbiter> (i don't know)
[09:41] <Fujitsu> Pitti's or somebody else's? How descriptive :P
[09:41] <Arbiter> heh :)
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: bddebian was talking about that yesterday
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i dont remember who did that bug
[09:41] <ajmitch> Arbiter: it's a broken makefile in your package, not a broken pbuilder or buildd
[09:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:43] <Arbiter> ajmitch: broken makefile? my 23-days-old edgy pbuilder environment compiled the package with no problems
[09:44] <Arbiter> i have a .deb file created by pbuilder after a successful build
[09:45] <Arbiter> now i update my pbuilder env and the package doesn't build
[09:46] <imbrandon> Arbiter: what error do you get on build, i just updated my pbuilder to make sure it iwas upto date and everything compiled fine
[09:47] <imbrandon> dpkg-deb: building package `kdocker' in `../kdocker_1.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.
[09:47] <Arbiter> same error as bddebian...
[09:47] <imbrandon> dosent know what bddebian got
[09:48] <Arbiter> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/applications': Permission denied
[09:48] <Arbiter> make[1] : *** [install_desktop]  Error 1
[09:48] <Arbiter> blah blah blah
[09:48] <Fujitsu> Sounds like it's not using fakeroot.
[09:48] <Arbiter> (blah blah blah => more error messages)
[09:48] <imbrandon> sounds like no fakeroot in the pbuilder env
[09:48] <Arbiter> I: using fakeroot in build.
[09:48] <Fujitsu> fakeroot's broken?
[09:49] <Arbiter> don't know... :(
[09:49] <ajmitch> the build log for a successful build shows it sticking the file in the wrong place anyway
[09:49] <ajmitch> so no matter whether the build succeeds or fails, it needs fixed
[09:49] <Arbiter> aw..
[09:50] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to be able to see the checkboxes and accept and reject submissions on the edgy queue.
[09:50] <imbrandon> crimsun: heh
[09:50] <imbrandon> might poke them in #lp
[09:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:50] <Arbiter> found
[09:50] <Arbiter> desktop.path = /usr/share/applications
[09:51] <Arbiter> in kdocker.pro
[09:51] <Arbiter> pfff :D
[09:51] <Arbiter> patch patch patch! :D
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hah.  i suspect not
[10:11] <Arbiter> kdocker fixed
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: yay :)
[10:13] <Goshawk> hi
[10:13] <Arbiter> ;)
[10:16] <Arbiter> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2907 <- fixed kdocker
[10:16] <Arbiter> it should work now :)
[10:17] <Goshawk>  why the file /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh is part of lsb-base in ubuntu ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_contents.pl?version=edgy&arch=amd64&case=insensitive&word=lsb-base&searchmode=filelist ) while in debian it's part of the package usplash? ( http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=usplash&version=unstable&arch=amd64 )
[10:18] <Goshawk> i'm saying that because that /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh contains functions just to help usplash
[10:19] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/sunuo$ mcs --version
[10:19] <imbrandon> Mono C# compiler version 1.1.16.1
[10:19] <imbrandon> gah
[10:20] <Arbiter> ?
[10:20] <imbrandon> dident mean to paste in here
[10:20] <Arbiter> :
[10:20] <Arbiter> ehm
[10:20] <Arbiter> :)
[10:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: don't worry, you can see it but it's not plugged in
[10:42] <Toadstool> 'morning
[11:20] <Tonio_> hello*
[11:40] <Prezu> I've uploaded Kadu package to REVU yesterday, but it hasn't appeared since now. No info on motu-reviewers@tauware.de neither. Is it normal? This is my first contribution to Ubuntu.
[11:42] <ajmitch> depends - are you in the launchpad group, and did you ask a revu admin about syncing the keyring?
[11:44] <Prezu> ajmitch: I'm have an account on launchpad. but I haven't ask a revu admin about a key syncing.
[11:47] <Prezu> ajmitch: Are You speaking about this? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors/+join because I'm already a member of this group.
[11:48] <ajmitch> yes
[11:48] <ajmitch> and then you needed to ask a revu admin
[11:51] <Prezu> ajmitch: I can see, that You're a REVU admin. Could You please sync the keyring? :)
[11:54] <Prezu> ajmitch: Thanks a lot. :) Do I have to upload with dput again?
[11:54] <ajmitch> no
[11:54] <Prezu> ajmitch: Ok. Thanks agani. Bye then. :)
[11:54] <ajmitch> if you look on revu now you'll see the package listed
[11:59] <imbrandon> ajmitch: whats mugshot part of ?
[11:59] <imbrandon> sudo apt-cache search mugshot
[11:59] <imbrandon> shows nothing
[11:59] <ajmitch> mugshot.org
[11:59] <imbrandon> oh heh
[12:19] <Hobbsee> crimsun: any idea why i would get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21066?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> argh
[12:56] <Hobbsee> how do i get around this?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Upload package to host ubuntu
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Checking Signature on .changes
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gpg: Signature made Sat 19 Aug 2006 05:54:54 AM CDT using DSA key ID 7D2BCE85
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Error verifying signature on /home/hobbsee/merges/gnunet_0.7.0e-2ubuntu1_source.changes.
[12:56] <Hobbsee> oh
[12:56] <Hobbsee> found it :)
[12:57] <AnAnt> may someone clear a bad upload that I made
[12:57] <AnAnt> kchmviewer
[12:57] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: ajmitch: or siretart can
[12:57] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[12:58] <\sh> good morning motus :) hey Hobbsee :)
[12:59] <DarkMageZ> how would i add a repository to my pbuilder setup?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: add it to /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/sources.list and run sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[12:59] <DarkMageZ> ty Hobbsee :)
[01:00] <\sh> ajmitch: awake?
[01:00] <\sh> btw..I'm close to uploading latest wine packages...
[01:00] <DarkMageZ> and requires the newer libgstreamer-dev which i compiled to build one of the other packages
[01:01] <\sh> need to change my laptops in a few :)
[01:01] <DarkMageZ> i have my own local repo :)
[01:02] <DarkMageZ> hmm, very odd.. apt.config/sources.list doesn't exist
[01:03] <AnAnt> what is apt.config ?
[01:04] <AnAnt> should autoconf be run before or after automake ?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: ah
[01:04] <ajmitch> \sh: yes?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> right, so you didtn follow the pbuilder guide...
[01:05] <\sh> ajmitch: are you still in NZ? :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> \sh: yes
[01:05] <DarkMageZ> i followed http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html
[01:05] <\sh> ajmitch: I'll query you :)
[01:05] <AnAnt> ajmitch: could you delete  a bad upload that I made , kchmviewer
[01:05] <DarkMageZ> might not have been correctly, but i followed it :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> AnAnt: done
[01:06] <AnAnt> thanks
[01:11] <AnAnt> isn't the recover in REVU going to be fixed ?
[01:13] <\sh> I wonder where the laptoptestingteam page disappeared and why
[01:14] <Fujitsu> Did it?
[01:14] <Fujitsu> It was there an hour ago...
[01:15] <Fujitsu> It's there...
[01:16] <\sh> yesterday evening it was gone
[01:18] <Fujitsu> LaptopTestingTeam on the wiki, you mean?
[01:18] <\sh> yes...
[01:51] <siretart> Hobbsee: huh?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> siretart: dont worry, it got fixed :)
[01:52] <siretart> Hobbsee: okay
[02:01] <\sh> cu later
[02:45] <phanatic> afternoon
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Hi phanatic.
[02:47] <phanatic> hi Fujitsu
[03:51] <zul> imbrandon: pong
[03:51] <imbrandon> hey , umm that was a few hours ago , let me rember what i needed ;)
[03:51] <imbrandon> heh ;)
[03:51] <zul> a big hug
[03:51] <imbrandon> ;P
[03:51] <zul> heh
[03:52] <zul> i just woke up
[03:52] <jpatrick> s/hug/bug
[03:52] <imbrandon> i should realy use knotes lol
[03:52] <zul> or you could just remember
[03:52] <imbrandon> i've been at the keyboard ~12 hours , heh
[03:52] <zul> lemme guess something xen related
[03:52] <imbrandon> yea it was, just dont rember what heh
[03:53] <zul> something amd64 related
[03:53] <imbrandon> nope
[03:53] <imbrandon> havent formated the 64 yet
[03:53] <imbrandon> i will to that sunday probably
[03:53] <zul> okie dokie
[03:54] <imbrandon> hrm what was that wiki link again with the basic setup ? i might try to conver this box today
[03:54] <imbrandon> convert*
[03:54] <imbrandon> got nothing better to do while i wait for kde to compile
[03:54] <imbrandon> lol
[03:55] <imbrandon> oh i rember , how hard is it to setup a DIFFRENT distro ( non debian based  ) on a DomU domain
[03:55] <imbrandon> if possible at all
[03:56] <zul> which distro?
[03:57] <imbrandon> gentoo / suse
[03:57] <imbrandon> suse first probably
[03:57] <zul> gentoo is not that hard you can use xen-tools in universe i think there is a tool out there fro suse
[03:58] <imbrandon> cool, ok yea i think i'm gonna start converting this box to xen based now and try ti out, worse case i bork it and format ;)
[03:58] <imbrandon> no loss ;)
[03:59] <zul> besides im always around for help
[03:59] <imbrandon> true ;)
[03:59] <zul> well most of the time
[03:59] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up
[03:59] <zul> ...before i go see snakes on a plane
[03:59] <imbrandon> heh
[04:00] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install xen-* LOL
[04:00] <zul> yeah i should do a meta-package
[04:01] <zul> im playing with 2.6.18-rc4 this weekend though
[04:01] <imbrandon> gah there are 15 wiki pages with xen in the name, what one is it
[04:01] <zul> XenonEdgy
[04:01] <imbrandon> if you just want to make a meta of the packages needed from on the wiki i can help with that
[04:02] <imbrandon> would give you time to mess with the "meat" ;)
[04:02] <zul> ok that would be good
[04:03] <imbrandon> before i start are the version numbers listed on the wiki upto date ? or should i just grab the latest version in the repo ?
[04:03] <zul> latest version
[04:03] <imbrandon> IE xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386
[04:03] <imbrandon> ok
[04:04] <imbrandon> pae is for amd64 chips running in 32bit mode right ?
[04:04] <zul> i believe so
[04:05] <imbrandon> yea
[04:05] <zul> grrr...i hate kernel makefiles sometimes
[04:05] <imbrandon> heh
[04:06] <zul> if you dont remember to change it, if you  do a fakeroot debian/rules clean it removes the debian/directory
[04:06] <imbrandon> ugh -4 -5 -6 all are in the repo , dont those get purged ?
[04:06] <zul> yeh
[04:06] <zul> 8 is latest
[04:07] <imbrandon> xen-image-xen0-2.6.16-6-686 shows as the latest to me
[04:07] <zul> grrr...
[04:07] <imbrandon> did the other not ftbs
[04:07] <zul> yeah..
[04:07] <zul> amd64 problems
[04:07] <zul> ill have a fix uploaded today
[04:08] <imbrandon> hehe np
[04:08] <imbrandon> i can still get it working with this and upgrade later
[04:08] <zul> true..
[04:09] <zul> lemme see if i have -8 lying around ill put it somewhere for you
[04:09] <zul> x86 correct?
[04:09] <imbrandon> yup
[04:09] <zul> gimme a sec.
[04:09] <imbrandon> on the box i'm doing this on here are the specs
[04:09] <imbrandon> [08:59]  <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 990/1003MB, 124 proc's, 16.38h up
[04:09] <zul> .ok
[04:10] <zul> gr i dont ill upload one for you
[04:10] <zul> er...i mean ill upload the fix later today
[04:10] <imbrandon> np ;)
[04:10] <imbrandon> i'm in no rush ;)
[04:11] <zul> good ;)
[04:11] <imbrandon> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-6-686 2.6.16-6-686
[04:11] <imbrandon> err
[04:12] <zul> hmm?
[04:12] <imbrandon> pasted wrong window
[04:17] <imbrandon> hrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file )
[04:18] <imbrandon> everything else so far went smooth
[04:18] <imbrandon> hrm can you explain #7 on the wiki a bit, i dont quite get whats its wanting me to edit ( not the file , what IN the file )
[04:18] <imbrandon> zul: ^^
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:20] <imbrandon> heya
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:21] <Nafallo> hi bddebian
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi Nafallo
[04:22] <Nafallo> so how's it going?
[04:22] <bddebian> Just bueno. You?
[04:23] <Nafallo> not much. trying to figure out which pizza I want :-P. woke up with an awful headache, otherwise I would still be on work now.
[04:24] <bddebian> Hangover? :-)
[04:30] <Nafallo> nope
[04:30] <Nafallo> sickness or something :-(
[04:31] <Nafallo> have been home all week, after having to leave early last tuesday.
[04:31] <bddebian> Bummer :-(
[04:34] <Nafallo> indeed
[04:34] <Nafallo> but I got paid yesterday so :-P
[04:34] <bddebian> :-)
[04:34] <Nafallo> have bought computerparts for more than a 1/3 of what I got the same day I got them ;-)
[04:35] <Nafallo> well, atleast my server will have new big chassi, more harddrives, more fans and 2 100Mbit 3Com and 1 1Gbit 3Com NICs ;-)
[04:37] <Nafallo> http://www.nafallo.info/~nafallo/stacker.pdf <-- the chassi FWIW ;-)
[04:41] <bddebian> Man that is taking forever to download..
[04:42] <Nafallo> hmm, maybe http should have more prio than the darknet then :-P
[04:45] <bddebian> Gah, I wish I understood all this libfoo vs libfoo0 vs libfoo0c2a crap
[04:47] <Nafallo> there. that should get better performance :-)
[04:47] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:47] <Nafallo> but my IPv6 tunnel has bad prio now...
[04:50] <imbrandon> zul ping
[04:50] <imbrandon> heh
[04:50] <imbrandon> i got good news and bad news ;)
[04:50] <Nafallo> bddebian: hope you get better speeds now :_)
[04:50] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:53] <Toadstool> re
[04:55] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:56] <bddebian> Nafallo: Ah yes much better :-)
[04:56] <imbrandon> good news it all worked the first try ( i'm booted into a xen DomU now, bad news is i had to boot into single user mode and run init 5 for x to come up for it to work ;(
[04:56] <imbrandon> Zul ^^
[04:56] <imbrandon> err he's gone
[04:56] <imbrandon> heh
[04:57] <Nafallo> bddebian: I had my looks on that chassi for a year or so now ;-)
[04:57] <bddebian> heh
[04:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:58] <imbrandon> nce
[04:58] <imbrandon> nice
[04:59] <Nafallo> bddebian: ;-)
[06:04] <bddebian> OK apparently trying openscenegraph was a mistake :-)
[06:15] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, I tried to build the debian deb a few months ago for a friend, it was a really bad idea ;)
[06:16] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: Aye, my machine is choking on it :-)
[06:17] <Gloubiboulga> hehe, I wonder what kind of machine can build this thing
[06:18] <Gloubiboulga> mine almost died and never gave me a .deb
[06:19] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga!!! :D
[06:21] <Gloubiboulga> hi Arbiter
[06:23] <Arbiter> bddebian: the kdocker build bug should be fixed
[06:24] <Arbiter> the updated version of the package is here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2907
[06:25] <bddebian> Arbiter: OK, I'll check it out if my machine ever recovers from openscenegraph :)
[06:25] <Arbiter> hehehe
[06:25] <Arbiter> no problem
[06:25] <bddebian> Oh segfault, nice
[06:25] <Arbiter> heh :D
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> how long's it normally take between upload and hitting the repos?
[06:47] <bddebian> Depends on several things
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  days, weeks?
[06:49] <bddebian> NO, usually a day or so
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> ah, I'll give it a couple more then
[06:50] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: What package?
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> I got a mail thursday that said pax-utils was uploaded, I'm just waiting to see it hit the repo so I can swap out my "local or obsolete" with universe.
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> it's low priority so all the important stuff is probably pushing it back :P
[06:52] <bddebian> bluefoxicy: 1:5-15?
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> what does THAT mean
[06:53] <bddebian> That's the version that is in Edgy
[06:54] <bddebian> Err 1.5-15
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> synaptic is telling me the available versions are 0.1.13-0ubuntu1 (now)
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> you're looking at pax, the archiver
[06:55] <azeem> then it's probably in NEW and needs manual attention
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> azeem:  oh, I thought it was stuck in a queue that goes up automatically
[06:55] <azeem> goes up
[06:55] <azeem> ?
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> "I've uploaded your pax-utils package.\nForwarding you the NEW mail from soyuz."
[06:56] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=pax
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> ah, cool, I can view the status online :)
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> so it hasn't hit the buildd yet
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  do you have any friggin'  idea how to figure out the latest binutils upstream release
[06:57] <azeem> figure out what?
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> I see numbers like 2.17.50.0.2
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> and I can only find "binutils 2.17" on sources.redhat
[06:58] <azeem> the former are H J Lu's releases I think
[06:58] <azeem> while the latter are the official GNU tarballs
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> http://sources.redhat.com/binutils/  Re
[06:58] <azeem> (I'd guess)
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2006-06/msg00095.html  "Attachment: binutils-2.17.50.0.2-hash-style.patch"  Well, the RedHat developers seem to be aware of the latter
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> I'm trying to figure out if upstream has released binutils w/ --hash-style yet (it went into ld in CVS 2 merges ago) or if I'll have to bribe doko or whoever to patch it into our binutils/glibc after edgy
[07:38] <AnAnt> bddebian: I fixed the kchmviewer problem (that it wasn't been put in /usr/bin)
[07:43] <AnAnt> anyone here ?
[07:44] <azeem> AnAnt: 101 people
[07:44] <AnAnt> azeem: ok, isn't the recover page on REVU going to be fixed ?
[07:44] <azeem> no idea
[07:44] <AnAnt> k
[07:44] <azeem> AnAnt: just ask your questions, don't wait for random people without clue to react first :)
[07:45] <azeem> it's the weekend, this chan is pretty low traffic
[07:45] <AnAnt> well, that was the question
[07:45] <AnAnt> oh ok
[07:46] <AnAnt> well, that was it
[07:46] <AnAnt> gotta go
[07:51] <bddebian> Shoot, who else asked me about a review last night.. :-(
[08:00] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, me!
[08:01] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, you haven't advocated gnome-translate ;)
[08:07] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: I don't think it was you but I'll take a look at it
[08:07] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, no it wasn't me :)
[08:12] <bddebian> Gloubiboulga: OK advocated but someone else has to look at it :)
[08:12] <Gloubiboulga> bddebian, sure
[08:13] <Gloubiboulga> thanks bddebian :)
[08:13] <bddebian> Sure
[08:24] <bddebian> Hmm, it would be nice if I could search REVU for all packages I have commented on..
[08:25] <azeem> or those you have *not yet* commented on :)
[08:30] <bddebian> Well there's plenty of those.. :-)
[08:30] <bddebian> I'm just one man.. And not the greatest reviewer at that.. :-(
[08:34] <bddebian> Uhm, how can libbuffy have /usr/include/python-2.3 in a Makefile but not have a build-dep on any python stuff?
[08:38] <crimsun> (does it actually require python2.3-dev to compile, though?)
[08:40] <bddebian> crimsun: No but the changelog isn't exactly helpful either.  In 0.2.x it says added build-dep for python, etc but never mentions dropping it later
[08:40] <bddebian> I guess I'll just sync it, it just seems strange
[08:41] <bddebian> OH, crimsun.  Wanna help me understand osgcal
[08:42] <bddebian> Oh, they seem to have removed the python-libbuffy binary
[08:42] <bddebian> Err python-buffy even
[08:48] <crimsun> sorry bddebian, you don't get priority response time (on the phone) since you misrouted my pony.
[08:49] <crimsun> bddebian: what's the issue w/ osgcal?
[08:53] <bddebian> crimsun: The whole 0c2a transition thing
[08:56] <crimsun> ah, to 0.1.39-1?
[08:57] <bddebian> Aye
[08:57] <crimsun> it'll have to be a merge regardless since we have libosgcal0c2a
[08:57] <bddebian> Aye, I just didn't want to screw it up
[08:59] <crimsun> I doubt you will; you've done enough of them to know the proper C/R. :)
[08:59] <bddebian> Actually I really haven't for transitional packages
[09:00] <ajmitch> you should have
[09:04] <bddebian> The question is, should libosgcal stay libosgcal0 from Debian?
[09:05] <crimsun> it doesn't look like it ever transitioned on the Debian side
[09:06] <bddebian> Aye
[09:06] <ajmitch> does it export a C or C++ interface?
[09:11] <crimsun> yep, and it was part of the libstdc++ allocator change [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2005-November/000016.html] 
[09:12] <crimsun> bddebian: it would be worthwhile merging openscenegraph first
[09:16] <bddebian> openscenegraph segfaults on build
[09:17] <bddebian> Not to mention it's a pig :-(
[09:19] <crimsun> ah, that should make for an exciting weekend evening.
[09:20] <bddebian> For whom? :-)
[09:20] <crimsun> I'll look at it.
[09:21] <bddebian> crimsun: openscenegraph or osgcal?
[09:21] <crimsun> the former.
[09:22] <crimsun> doesn't make much sense to proceed with the latter until the former is merged
[09:22] <bddebian> Oh, aye
[09:25] <bddebian> Who is gborzi?
[09:33] <bddebian> lfittl: ping?
[09:46] <bddebian> Heya Amaranth
[09:46] <Amaranth> hey
[09:46] <Amaranth> public wifi at libraries ftw
[09:47] <lfittl> bddebian: pong
[09:47] <crimsun> .oO( you identified over a public wifi? )
[09:47] <tseng> crimsun: oh no, freenode botnets will take over!
[09:48] <crimsun> ohnoes!
[09:48] <bddebian> heh
[09:48] <bddebian> lfittl: Hey, I just realized someone has a package for glest on REVU, did you know that?
[09:49] <lfittl> bddebian: oh, no, but I guess this package still has the licensing problems
[09:49] <bddebian> Aye
[09:49] <bddebian> Well the data package anyway
[09:51] <lfittl> bddebian: I looked at the forum thread about scourge data licensing, but this thread is a little old and there doesn't seem to be much interest in it anymore :/
[09:55] <lfittl> something different, whats the best solution to the following problem: one of my to-be-packaged games, freeorion, links directly to some graphviz libs that are located in /usr/lib/graphviz, which means it won't find them on startup without modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[09:56] <lfittl> my approach would be to write a simple wrapper that sets the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH, anybody have a better idea?
[09:58] <bddebian> lfittl: At runtime?
[09:59] <bddebian> lfittl: Do you happen to have a URL for the scourge forum discussion?
[09:59] <lfittl> bddebian: what at runtime?
[09:59] <bddebian> LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[09:59] <lfittl> bddebian: will search it again, easy to find
[10:00] <crimsun> where are they in fact installed, /usr/lib/ ?
[10:00] <lfittl> bddebian: http://scourge.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46
[10:00] <crimsun> it smells of rpath
[10:00] <lfittl> the needed graphviz libs are in /usr/lib/graphviz, and freeorion searchs for them in /usr/lib
[10:00] <lfittl> rpath?
[10:02] <lfittl> crimsun: ah, rpath, that could work (didn't know that something like this existed) :)
[10:03] <bddebian> lfittl: Is the scourge data not even a candidate for multiverse?
[10:04] <lfittl> bddebian: don't know, problem is we don't have a defined license, and don't even know all the copyright holders
[10:04] <bddebian> Ah, OK
[10:05] <lfittl> as upstream has taken some models from various "free models" websites, and the creator of some old music files didn't specify a license and is now gone (if I remember correctly)
[10:06] <lfittl> although we could propably work around the music file problem be simply not including them, missing music is not the worst thing, missing models are more problematic
[10:13] <bddebian> Well I posted a question, though it is probably too vague :-)
[10:15] <lfittl> bddebian: lets hope there is at least one artist interested, that would be enough to get the license problem into their heads again :)
[10:16] <bddebian> Aye
[10:20] <Amaranth> crimsun: it's a junk password
[10:20] <Amaranth> crimsun: i only use it on freenode
[10:20] <crimsun> Amaranth: (was being facetious ;)
[10:20] <Amaranth> and, uh, i live in sioux city, iowa. wifi is magic to like 99.9999% of the population
[10:20] <Amaranth> heh
[10:22] <Amaranth> There are probably only about a dozen guys in this town who would even know how to do something like that and I know all of them. :)
[10:22] <Amaranth> damn, dist-upgrade is slow
[10:36] <Toadstool> bddebian: hi (about 5h30 later :)
[10:37] <Toadstool> and hi everybody
[10:37] <crimsun> 'lo
[10:37] <Toadstool> hey crimsun
[10:37] <bddebian> Heh, hi Toadstool
[10:38] <Toadstool> I hate that, I have to run everywhere to prepare my trip and can't stay more than 5 minutes in front of my computer :p
[10:45] <crimsun> bddebian: bug 56935
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56935 in openscenegraph "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync openscenegraph 1.0.0-9 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56935
[10:46] <bddebian> OH, hehe
[10:46] <bddebian> Might be interesting though
[10:46] <crimsun> bddebian: took a while to build, but it built successfully on i386 and amd64.
[10:46] <bddebian> Oh, you did that?
[10:46] <crimsun> yes, I just filed it a minute ago
[10:46] <bddebian> Rockin'
[10:46] <Toadstool> you guys have to be insane to try to build that piece of software :p
[10:47] <crimsun> took a solid hour of build time
[10:51] <Toadstool> crimsun: about mldonkey in dapper, I uploaded an updated package a few weeks ago to dapper-updates but the package "disappeared"... I wonder whether I did something wrong :/
[10:52] <crimsun> Toadstool: w/ approval from mdz/kamion?
[10:52] <Toadstool> huhu nope
[10:53] <Toadstool> I have to ask mdz/kamion before uploading?
[10:53] <crimsun> right, infinity/keybuk will blackhole them (approximately) unless you have approval
[10:53] <crimsun> yes
[10:53] <Toadstool> ok, understood
[10:53] <Toadstool> I should have asked before doing anything
[10:54] <\sh> re
[10:54] <crimsun> 'lo \sh
[10:54] <Toadstool> hi \sh
[10:55] <\sh> how's live?
[10:55] <crimsun> crazy, and yours?
[10:56] <\sh> too much work :)
[10:58] <\sh> just preparing new wine
[10:58] <crimsun> nice :)
[11:02] <\sh> argl...it's always a pain to switch between a uk layout and a german layout....
[11:03] <bddebian> \sh!
[11:03] <\sh> bddebian:  :)
[11:16] <\sh> I wonder if bluetooth is still working on this t43 after upgrading to edgy....or is it just disappearing like on the r200?
[11:16] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:17] <\sh> re ajmitch
[11:41] <asimon> Greetings. If upstream only offers the source as a bz2 archive, I unpack, and 'gzip -9' it to get a orig.tar.gz. Is this the right way?
[11:43] <crimsun> it's the "least worst"
[11:44] <crimsun> if you do that and Debian does that, then you'll likely end up with *sum mismatches for the orig.tar.gz, which is, well, a PITA
[11:45] <asimon> crimsun: So what's the most elegant way to handle it?
[11:46] <crimsun> asimon: is said package in Debian already?
[11:46] <\sh> didn't dpkg work with bz2?
[11:46] <asimon> crimsun: No, not in Debian or Ubuntu so far.
[11:46] <crimsun> asimon: do you plan to submit it to Debian? (Hopefully you do.)
[11:47] <asimon> crimsun: The plan was to first upload it to revu
[11:49] <crimsun> asimon: sure. Well if there's no ITP (see bugs.do/wnpp) for it, then I suppose you'll have to go the route you just described.
[11:49] <asimon> crimsun: No ITP so far.
[11:53] <asimon> \sh: When I run dpkg-sources with a bz2 instead of a gz tarball it generates automatically a tar.gz file but without the 'orig' part and the source won't appear in the dsc file.
[11:53] <asimon> crimsun: Thank you.
[11:54] <\sh> asimon: yeah...just tried...
[11:55] <\sh> crimsun: what would you do to debug a strange grub behaviour...which is only shown on dapper?
[11:56] <\sh> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/56780
[11:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56780 in grub "grub doesn't work with Compaq SmartArray P600 SAS Controller" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[11:57] <zul> \sh: a picture might help
[11:58] <\sh> zul: well..."GRUB Hard Disk Error" ;) that's all what is shown during boot up
[11:58] <zul> ok maybe not..
[11:58] <zul> \sh: what are the disks again?
[11:58] <\sh> zul 4 disks as raid0 configured (hw raid) sata
[11:58] <zul> /dev/dsk/c or something
[11:58] <\sh>  /dev/cciss/c0d0
[11:59] <zul> ah yes..
[11:59] <\sh> ubuntu grub has some patches for it...to recognize them...but sles9 grub doesn't have any patches for this...but sles9 version works
[11:59] <zul> weird..
[11:59] <\sh> yepp
[12:00] <zul> can you put up the source rpm somewhere?
[12:00] <\sh> zul: on monday when I'm back in the office..
[12:00] <zul> ok..remind me on monday then
[12:01] <\sh> zul: kk
[12:02] <\sh> and it's just not working on this piece of hw
[12:02] <\sh> areca 16 channel raid6 sata controller just works. non sata smartarrays are working too.
[12:03] <zul> just the ccis crap
[12:04] <zul> you might want to put in some printk to see what is happeneing
[12:04] <\sh> zul: if I could I would have done it already =
[12:04] <\sh> grmpf