[12:22] <hlabs> well here is my problem. I just started working for a call centre here in Oshawa and the thing is that all the agents that work here are storing all sorts of garbage on their work stations. Some of it includes porn. What i am trying to do is forcing them to store all the crap that they download to a network folder that would reside on my bosses pc. That way we can eliminate some of the wrongs being done here       
[12:22] <hlabs> 
[12:23] <pygi> Burgwork, I'll cry :'( SoC is a bad thing sometimes...
[12:24] <sbalneav> hlabs: that's a simple one.  Anyone found with porn on their home directory gets fired. :)
[12:24] <sbalneav> but, apart from that...
[12:24] <hlabs> i know but its not that easy. The shifts rotate and the access codes are generic. 
[12:25] <hlabs> so is there any way that i can do this
[12:25] <shaykid> will edubuntu-desktop install ltsp as well ?
[12:26] <sbalneav> Well, not easily.  Their home directories need to be writable, because their settings (backgrounds, menu items, icons, etc) need to be written there.
[12:26] <sbalneav> shaykid: should.
[12:26] <pygi> sbalneav, it will, but it won't be good
[12:26] <pygi> he has to setup chroot by himself, yadda, yadda
[12:26] <sbalneav> ah, well, that's easy enough
[12:28] <sbalneav> hlabs: you might be able to do something like make their home directory owned by root, but make their .gnome2, etc directory owned by them
[12:28] <hlabs> ok so how do i go about it 
[12:28] <sbalneav> Of course, the smart ones will figure out that they can just store their naughty pictures in their .gnome2 directories. :)
[12:29] <sbalneav> hlabs: Not sure, I'd have to experiment to see if it would even work.
[12:29] <sbalneav> You might try google.  
[12:29] <hlabs> well see the thing is that in windows you can just use quota management to do this trick.
[12:29] <pygi> hlabs, you have quota here as well :P
[12:30] <hlabs> but the way our network is setup. Using windows means inviting a whole lot of problems 
[12:30] <sbalneav> what, to just set a low quota?  I already posted you the link for that
[12:30] <sbalneav> if thats all you want, give them only a 5 meg home dir, then that's easily done.
[12:30] <hlabs> is there something similar like a software or something that lets me do disk management.                        
[12:31] <sbalneav> I already posted you the tutorial for that.
[12:32] <sbalneav> More to the point is: how are they GETTING the porn on?  the simpler solution might be to install a web proxy, and limit the sites they can visit.
[12:32] <sbalneav> If it's a call centre, they probably only need access to a few limited web sites, right?
[12:33] <sbalneav> It's always easier to stop the bad stuff from getting in, as opposed to dealing with it once it's there.
[12:34] <hlabs> well we used the ubuntu lamp server to setup a crm system
[12:35] <hlabs> i tried the tutorial on quotas and i don't think i am upto the challenge of doing that. Since i already tried it and messed up a dummy machine big time                                       
[12:35] <sbalneav> Is the crm system all they need access to?
[12:36] <pygi> Burgwork, save me, please save me :'(
[12:36] <hlabs> no the boss allows them to access the external net as well. 
[12:37] <sbalneav> what, any site at all?
[12:38] <sbalneav> Because if the boss has given them blanket access to the web, then what you've got there is a management problem, not a technology problem :)  Does your site have an acceptable usage policy?
[12:39] <hlabs> we provide tech support for a shipping company and their new docs are always posted on the companys access portal . So with that being done. All the agents can pretty much go on the net. I managed to stop the p2p clients and bittorrent clients but its that they go over to search engines to get their junk                                                   
[12:39] <hlabs> yeah. But some people here are really smart geeks. 
[12:40] <sbalneav> Ah, well, that's easy, then.  If the shipping company's the only legitimate site, then either use a proxy to limit to only that site, or even better, use the firewall to limit access to only that site.
[12:41] <hlabs> you wouldn't believe this. But one of the guys who got canned actuallly was storing porn in the sbin folder                             
[12:42] <hlabs> hey thats a good idea
[12:42] <sbalneav> Well, if that's the case, he's gotten root.  You need to keep up-to-date on your security patches :)
[12:42] <hlabs> i will surely try that. But isnt there any way to lock up the disks
[12:44] <hlabs> yeah we are working on setting up limited users. Using saybayon but so far i cannot find a way to lock up the local disk                          
[12:47] <sbalneav> I'll be blunt.  You're trying to solve a PEOPLE issue, with TECHNOLOGY.  It's doomed to failure.  What you need is: a clear, concise policy as to what's acceptible and what's not from management, with a clear statement of consequences if the rules are broken.  A quick bit of monitoring, with a few firing now and then will solve the problem.
[12:48] <hlabs> thats a good point
[12:49] <sbalneav> most importantly: you need 1 userid per person.  haveing supportguy1 through supportguy20 accounts, and having multiple people use the same account means you'll never be able to tack bad behavior to a specific individual.
[12:49] <sbalneav> s/tack/track/
[12:49] <hlabs> yeah i was pondering that thought my self now. I will change the user accounts now.        
[12:50] <sbalneav> I've been a sysadmin for 18 years, and have caught 3 hackers, 2 of which had charges laid, and another that got deported.  So trust me on this one :)
[12:52] <sbalneav> Anywho, kids are screaming for dinner.  Teenagers and their hunger :)  I'm usually either in #edubuntu, or #ltsp.  Let me know how you make out.
[12:53] <sbalneav> I'll be on later.  You said you were in Oshawa.  If that's Oshawa, Ontario, always nice to see a fellow canuck on.  I'm in Winnipeg.
[12:53] <sbalneav> Anywho, off to cook.
[12:53] <sbalneav> bbl
[02:05] <sbalneav> evening all
[02:08] <bddebian> Heya sbalneav
[02:08] <sbalneav> Hey there bddebian
[02:09] <LaserJock> hi scotty
[02:17] <sbalneav> hey LaserJock
[02:19] <bddebian> Gah, I hate C++
[02:21] <LaserJock> I've never had the pleasure
[02:23] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well like everything else, I hate it because I don't know it :-)
[02:28] <LaserJock> oh, I just don't bother
[02:28] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:09] <sbalneav> It's quiet in here.....
[03:09] <sbalneav> tooooo quiet
[03:09] <sbalneav> :)
[03:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[03:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you gonna start something?
[03:10] <sbalneav> lets get this party started. unh huh, unh huh!
[03:11] <sbalneav> the thought of which is even MORE hilarious, if you've seen me.
[03:11] <LaserJock> hehe, true
[03:11] <sbalneav> :)
[03:12] <LaserJock> sbalneav: but I thought you were a male model? ;-)
[03:12] <sbalneav> Were you on the train with us in France the night the 16 year old kid got on and was doing the pelvic thrusts to music?
[03:12] <sbalneav> We need that kid.
[03:12] <LaserJock> haha, no I wasn't
[03:12] <sbalneav> Shoulda given him an ubuntu cd
[03:13] <sbalneav> yeah, he rolled onto the train with a dolly with a boombox + car battery, cranked up the Euro-synth-rap-tunes, and started dancin' like a maniac for coins.
[03:13] <sbalneav> It was awesome.
[03:14] <LaserJock> lol
[03:14] <sbalneav> In Canada, they just ask for money.  I'm totally spoiled for European panhandlers now.
[03:14] <LaserJock> I only saw the girl with the flute
[03:14] <sbalneav> For a buck, I should get some entertainment, darnit!
[03:14] <sbalneav> If it's the one I saw, she was pretty good.
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah, it was good
[03:15] <LaserJock> but France got my wallet in the end so ...
[03:15] <sbalneav> heh, yeah, but now you have a great story!  Any fallout from that?
[03:16] <LaserJock> not really
[03:16] <sbalneav> Did they try to rack up anything on the card?
[03:16] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[03:16] <LaserJock> I think they just wanted the money
[03:17] <sbalneav> Phhht, where's the fun in that?  You want to phone up Visa and find out you've purchased a small greek island, or maybe a leer jet.
[03:17] <LaserJock> it's funny how many "I got pickpocketed in Paris" I've heard since getting back
[03:17] <LaserJock> hehe
[03:17] <sbalneav> Heh, I think it's CALLED the "City of pickpockets".
[03:18] <sbalneav> hold on, Google will know!
[03:18] <LaserJock> hehe, it was soo funny
[03:18] <LaserJock> at Ubucon
[03:18] <LaserJock> we had quite a few google people
[03:18] <LaserJock> and somebody was wondering something
[03:18] <LaserJock> and Jim says "Google it"
[03:18] <LaserJock> it was kinda funny
[03:18] <sbalneav> Nope, appaerntly, thats either rome or Prague
[03:19] <sbalneav> heh
[03:19] <sbalneav> What he SHOULD have said was: Look it up on MSN :)
[03:19] <LaserJock> hahaha
[03:19] <bddebian> heh
[03:20] <sbalneav> or (better) "Lets Ask Jeeves!"
[03:20] <sbalneav> heh, I remember when there only WAS altavista :)
[03:20] <bddebian> heh
[03:20] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:21] <sbalneav> I remember when there was only Gopher
[03:21] <bddebian> Oh man
[03:21] <LaserJock> well, I'm not *that* old
[03:21] <sbalneav> I remember when there was only Telnet, FTP, and SMTP
[03:21] <sbalneav> and we LIKED it, darnit.  Couple of days reading of RFC's and you knew it all :)
[03:22] <bddebian> Hehe, except for idiots like me
[03:22] <bddebian> sbalneav: How old are you?
[03:22] <sbalneav> 38
[03:22] <bddebian> Whoa someone older than me...
[03:22] <sbalneav> Got my first Arpanet account back in 1984
[03:23] <bddebian> <-- 36
[03:23] <LaserJock> yeah, I bet you didn't have people filing HUG bugs ;-)
[03:23] <LaserJock> more like "It actually works!!!"
[03:23] <LaserJock> it takes me days to do anything, but it works
[03:24] <sbalneav> I remember the first time I ftp'd a file down... from a server in japan.
[03:24] <sbalneav> Ahhhh, memories.
[03:25] <sbalneav> My very first account, I used a vt100.
[03:25] <sbalneav> Not an emulator.
[03:25] <sbalneav> a real one 
[03:25] <bddebian> heh
[03:26] <sbalneav> http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/ch02s02.html&h=650&w=800&sz=195&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=MQpFAFcCEsIyyM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvt100%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN
[03:26] <sbalneav> I also had an asr33 teletype machine at home.
[03:26] <LaserJock> oh wow, that's cool
[03:26] <LaserJock> my first computer item was a 386
[03:26] <LaserJock> apparently I was spoiled
[03:27] <sbalneav> Durned kids
[03:27] <sbalneav> :)
[03:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:27] <sbalneav> the asr33 I had didn't have the tapereader like that one did.
[03:28] <sbalneav> I also worked on a decwriter II, which was awesome
[03:28] <sbalneav> http://hampage.hu/pdp-11/egyeb/la36.JPG
[03:29] <sbalneav> My first home computer was a zx81
[03:29] <bddebian> w00t
[03:29] <sbalneav> Sorry, I know I'm being a bore. 
[03:30] <bddebian> ZZZZzzzz
[03:30] <bddebian> Hum, what? ;-P
[03:34] <sbalneav> :)
[03:34] <bddebian> Was the zx81 a Zenith?
[03:52] <sbalneav> No, Sinclair
[03:54] <bddebian> Oh, wow
[06:50] <gotama> Hello
[06:50] <gotama> I have just installed edubuntu
[06:51] <gotama> How can I start the dhcp server manually and not at boot time?
[07:47] <Yagisan> ogra, ping
[08:08] <cbx333> mornin all
[12:19] <pygi> hey ho ogra 
[12:19] <ogra> hey
[12:20] <pygi> how is you?
[12:23] <ogra> busy
[12:23] <ogra> packing for the sprint
[12:24] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[12:30] <juliux> morning
[12:30] <ogra> hey
[03:08] <kwak> hi, im new to edubuntu. how do i configure ltsp? ltspcfg?
[03:08] <kwak> what is the root password?
[03:15] <kwak> well no help. better do something else.
[03:53] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:55] <cbx33> Hiya bddebian 
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[03:56] <cbx33> howz it all going?
[03:56] <control> !ru
[03:56] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[03:57] <control> 
[03:57] <bddebian> cbx33: Fine thanks, you?
[03:58] <cbx33> bddebian, yeh going good
[03:58] <cbx33> working on scp at the mo
[03:58] <bddebian> Cool
[03:59] <control> anybody speak on rus?
[04:00] <cbx33> bddebian, yeh it's going really well, learned so much
[04:00] <cbx33> about dbus mostly
[04:03] <bddebian> Nice
[04:03] <cbx33> bddebian, is there a small app that will take a command line inut and turn it into a gtk dialog box
[04:04] <bddebian> Dunno, sorry
[04:04] <cbx33> ok I'll write one
[04:05] <bddebian> You're an animal :)
[04:07] <juliux> control, i learned at school but there isnt much knowledge left ;)