[12:18] <yuriy> Riddell: making kdebase: /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: __s64 does not name a type
[12:29] <\sh> yuriy: check include/linux/asm/types.h
[12:30] <\sh> sorry
[12:30] <\sh> include/asm/types.h
[12:30] <\sh> and then if it's fetching the right arch
[12:31] <\sh> #if (defined(__GNUC__) && !defined(__STRICT_ANSI__)) || (__STDC_VERSION__ >= 199901L)
[12:31] <\sh> typedef __signed__ long long __s64;
[12:31] <\sh> typedef unsigned long long  __u64;
[12:31] <\sh> #endif
[02:15] <samjnaa> hello
[02:15] <bddebian> Hello samjnaa
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hey samjnaa bddebian 
[02:19] <Riddell> hello samjnaa Hobbsee bddebian 
[02:19] <bddebian> Hello Riddell
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[02:20] <Hobbsee> heh.  1am again.
[02:22] <bddebian> Fix all the kubuntu bugs?
[02:22] <Hawkwind> Good morning Hobbsee
[02:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no, dont think so...i dont really have enough time for that..
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind 
[02:23] <bddebian> Heya Hawkwind
[02:23] <Hawkwind> Hey there bddebian
[02:23] <Hobbsee> bddebian: besides, i thought you were doing tha.t
[02:23] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Nah, I don't do anything
[02:24] <Hobbsee> bddebian: sure you do.  now get to it
[02:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:32] <Riddell> samjnaa: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe - this is the way of saying "hey, i want this packaged" is it not?  :P
[02:33] <Riddell> well, as it happens, we do need someone to package SoC project kmformat http://www.micoulou.info/kformat/KMFormat0.1beta.tar.gz
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[02:33] <Hobbsee> thought so :P
[02:38] <Hobbsee> night Riddell 
[02:44] <imbrandon> monis
[02:45] <imbrandon> moins*
[02:45] <samjnaa> hello.
[02:45] <samjnaa> sorry to reply late.
[02:47] <samjnaa> an elite kubuntu devel? donno.
[02:47] <bddebian> Gnight Riddell
[02:47] <samjnaa> i really don't have such programming knowledge. just learning c++
[02:47] <samjnaa> riddell is gone to bed?
[02:47] <samjnaa> too bad
[02:47] <samjnaa> i didn't get to talk to him
[02:47] <samjnaa> but i get to talk to you guys! :) hi all!
[02:48] <samjnaa> hey how do i do those blue lines starting with a star, like "exeunt paris and alicia" in shakespeare?
[02:49] <samjnaa> one thing - can anyone assure me that kdeedu, kdevelop, qt designer and kdegames are present in the kubuntu dvd? the list file does not contain those entries
[02:50] <samjnaa> hello, is anyone there?
[02:51] <bddebian> I am but I don't know the answer sorry
[02:51] <samjnaa> you have downloaded dvd or cd to install kubuntu?
[02:52] <samjnaa> ok ttyl
[03:06] <imbrandon> ouch nice tarbal ( it was all extracted to the working dir lol ) i'll have to change it anyhow to a orig.tar.gz heh who's SoC project is this anyhow Riddell ?
[03:09] <imbrandon> ugh not auto tools heh
[03:09] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Any luck yet on u4 ?
[03:10] <imbrandon> Hawkwind: tbh i forgot about it heh , lemme check out this kmformat SoC code then i'll grab it hehe
[03:10] <Hawkwind> No rush.  Was just curious :)
[03:10] <imbrandon> me fskin eyes are swolen, almost closed , sucks heheh
[03:31] <samjnaa> hello
[03:31] <samjnaa> can anyone tell me whether kdeedu, qt designer, kdegames and kdevelop are present in the kubuntu dvd or not? thanks
[03:58] <samjnaa> hello can anyone answer my question?
[03:59] <Hawkwind> No, but you can download and install them via apt-get as soon as the install is complete
[04:00] <samjnaa> so why must i download 3.5 GB to get an incomplete kde isntallation?
[04:01] <Hawkwind> You don't have to.  Download 700MB instead
[04:01] <samjnaa> so what's in the extra 2.8 GB?
[04:01] <Hawkwind> No idea.  Never looked at the DVD personally
[04:28] <imbrandon> dvd = livecd + text install cd + main repo
[04:28] <imbrandon> if they are in main they are on the dvd just maybe not installed
[04:38] <samjnaa> how do you say dvd = livecd + alternate cd + main?
[04:39] <samjnaa> see http://ie.releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/6.06/release.1/kubuntu-6.06.1-dvd-i386.list
[04:39] <samjnaa> there is no mention of kdeedu or kdegames in that
[04:42] <imbrandon> sure there is /pool/main/k/kdegames/kdegames_3.5.2-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[04:44] <imbrandon> and kdeedu isnt in main
[04:44] <imbrandon> kdeedu | 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[04:44] <imbrandon> i said MAIN is included on there ;)
[04:45] <samjnaa> ok sorry didn't see well
[04:46] <samjnaa> kdevelop and qt-4 designer is also universe? ah well
[04:46] <samjnaa> so it is authoritative that whatever is in main is included in the dvd? if yes, i may take your word for it but should it not be somewhere onthe wiki for the general public?
[04:48] <imbrandon> yes and yes
[04:49] <samjnaa> ok here's the next question. does the kubuntu dvd contain gnome and xfce as optional addl desktops?
[04:50] <samjnaa> btw thanks for your patience...
[04:51] <Hawkwind> No
[04:51] <Hawkwind> But you can install them with one simple command:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[04:52] <samjnaa> /pool/main/g/gnome-menus/gnome-menus_2.14.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:52] <samjnaa> then what is this sitting on the dvd for:?
[04:53] <samjnaa> i meant that deb
[04:54] <samjnaa> as far as i can see by doing kdiff on the dvd.list and the alternate-cd.list, the bulk of the content of the dvd lies in internationalization files, aspell ispell packages,
[04:56] <imbrandon> since they are included in main they are on the dvd but not installed by default
[04:57] <samjnaa> -dev packages, something called db, emacs, additional development packages like dbg, a lot of gnome applications, kdegames, 
[04:57] <imbrandon> as Hawkwind you just run that command ( and have the dvd in your frive )
[04:57] <samjnaa> and kdetoys, kdewebdev and koffice
[04:57] <imbrandon> since they are included in main they are on the dvd but not installed by default
[04:57] <imbrandon> as Hawkwind you just run that command ( and have the dvd in your frive )
[04:58] <imbrandon> the dvd doesnt install anything more than the cd, it just makes the packages avaible without adaitional download ( unless they have been updated since the dvd was made )
[04:58] <samjnaa> ok now can i create a supplemental cd by downloading all the packages from universe that i want?
[04:59] <imbrandon> sure but you'll have to tweak te layout for apt to use it, its not a automatic thing
[04:59] <samjnaa> i can't just tell apt - "see here's another cd source"?
[04:59] <imbrandon> if the cd is in the correct format yes
[05:00] <samjnaa> what do i have to do to make the cd in the correct format?
[05:00] <imbrandon> basicly same as you would in debian there are lots of links on google that will walk you threw it
[05:00] <samjnaa> another q - does the dvd at least allow for choice of packages during install or no?
[05:00] <Hawkwind> No
[05:00] <imbrandon> no
[05:00] <imbrandon> ITS TEH SAME AS THE CD INSTALL
[05:01] <imbrandon> it just has more packages on the dvd that are NOT installed by default
[05:01] <samjnaa> ok sorry for bugging.
[05:01] <imbrandon> that apt will use first if it has not been updated on the net
[05:01] <imbrandon> i dont mind but just listen, we said that before ;)
[05:02] <imbrandon> wb Riddell
[05:02] <imbrandon> and zakame
[05:03] <samjnaa> is http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/scott_20050602_215318 what i am looking for?
[05:05] <imbrandon> tbh i'm not sure as i just get it from the internet
[05:05] <imbrandon> but i know it can be done
[05:05] <Hawkwind> Just download the 700MB Alternate CD and do an install and start learning.  Best way IMO
[05:09] <samjnaa> i already have installed the alternate cd
[05:10] <samjnaa> i have problems with my net connection. errors with 1.0.0.0 (search on ubuntuforums for that ip) and blacklisting ipv6 doesn't help
[05:10] <samjnaa> so i am trying to download manually. (please add "when using adept online update i get" before "errors")
[05:12] <samjnaa> suggestion to devels: would it be practical:
[05:12] <samjnaa> to provide a supplemental cd which contains all the additional packages from the dvd *minus* the i18n packages?
[05:12] <samjnaa> i believe the i18n packages only take much space on the dvd
[05:12] <samjnaa> and minus the -dev packages
[05:13] <samjnaa> it would be easy for people who have slow or no internet connection or no dvd drive to install a greater number of packages
[05:14] <samjnaa> or we could have a jigdo-based utiliity which will download any custom selection of packages and make a cd image out of it?
[05:14] <samjnaa> is that possibvle?
[05:14] <imbrandon> this realy isnt the place to ask as we dont handle that
[05:15] <samjnaa> oh sorry
[05:16] <samjnaa> kubuntu-devel is not the place. what is the place?
[05:16] <samjnaa> i thought the kubuntu developers come here
[05:17] <Hawkwind> samjnaa: Try in #Kubuntu
[05:17] <Hawkwind> samjnaa: This channel is for the dev stuff of Kubuntu as far as packaging and things
[05:20] <samjnaa> ok logging out
[06:46] <lnxkde> imbrandon, freeflying  you 2 there?
[06:46] <freeflying> lnxkde: hi
[06:46] <lnxkde> hi!
[06:46] <imbrandon> lnxkde: heya
[06:46] <lnxkde> :)
[06:46] <imbrandon> moins freeflying
[06:47] <lnxkde> I made nice LIvecd :D
[06:47] <freeflying> imbrandon: moin  :)
[06:47] <freeflying> lnxkde: using pud?
[06:47] <lnxkde> but ubiquity crash on the install :(
[06:47] <lnxkde> nope
[06:47] <lnxkde> goping to try the scrip later
[06:47] <crimsun> if it crashes, use the 6.06.1 alternate (text-based) installer image
[06:48] <lnxkde> crimsun,  it just crashes with my custumization
[06:48] <lnxkde> normal live cd works nice
[06:49] <crimsun> what did you customise?
[06:49] <lnxkde> the wallapaer
[06:49] <lnxkde> :p
[06:49] <lnxkde> na
[06:49] <lnxkde> I installed QT designer, KDE 3.5.4
[06:49] <lnxkde> amarok 1.4.1
[06:49] <lnxkde> enabled mp3 and most of the codecs
[06:49] <lnxkde> kaffeine-xine
[06:49] <lnxkde> and all the nice stuff I use in my system
[06:54] <lnxkde> freeflying,  what was the page you gave me I dont know were i put the link
[06:55] <freeflying> lnxkde: www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/pud
[06:55] <lnxkde> thnkx
[06:59] <lnxkde> bbl
[06:59] <lnxkde> I have to install something here...
[07:59] <Hobbsee> hi all
[08:32] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon, how's kde4?
[08:32] <imbrandon> heh a headache so far ;)
[08:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ouchy.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: got an amd64 handy?  i'm not sure why nqc broke on it
[08:33] <imbrandon> yup
[08:34] <imbrandon> hold on lemme login to it
[08:34] <imbrandon> nqc ?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's a package
[08:34] <niKsternal> hiya guys and gals :0
[08:34] <Hobbsee> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3932557/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-amd64.nqc_2.5.r3-4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hey niKsternal 
[08:34] <imbrandon> 'ello niKsternal
[08:36] <imbrandon> Riddell: i have kmformat ready for you when you wake, the SoC student though should realy use a buildsystem of some kind , heh , but i got arround it
[08:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: looks to be an actual code error , not packaging on amd64, and that i cant do much about as i dont know specifics that cant be used on a amd64 as far as asm/c++
[08:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and i've got no idea why it worked on almsot all other arches then
[08:58] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no idea either, probably leave that one to the amd64 experts and move to the next quest ;)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right, yeah
[08:58] <Hobbsee> it looked like a code error to me too, which is odd that it would then work on i386, ppc, etc
[08:59] <imbrandon> many things work on x86 and not x86_64 ( or ppc etc etc etc )
[08:59] <Hobbsee> true
[09:03] <crimsun> hmm, meaning "compiler/Error.h:97: error: cast from 'const char*' to 'int' loses precision"?
[09:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm not sure exactly what it's failing on.  i would have thought that was a warning
[09:04] <crimsun> that's the classic 64-bit pointer issue
[09:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:04] <Hobbsee> anyone else checked out the new kubuntu kdm screen yet?
[09:05] <imbrandon> nope i am about to shortly ;)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when you do, want to grab a screenshot?
[09:07] <crimsun> Hobbsee: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nqc/news/20060818T174732Z.html , btw.
[09:07] <imbrandon> woot , see theres the fix ;)
[09:07] <imbrandon>  compiler/Error.h, compiler/Error.c: Do a more thorough job of tracking
[09:07] <imbrandon>      down the real problem with the fData member.  I think this will really
[09:07] <imbrandon>      fix the FTBFS.  Closes: #287812.
[09:07] <Hobbsee> crimsun: oh cool, thanks
[09:08] <Hobbsee> crimsun: our version is synced from debian.  do i have to request a sync again, or will it get autosynced?  auto syncs are off now, arnet they?
[09:09] <crimsun> I'd request a[nother]  sync
[09:09] <Hobbsee> cool
[09:14] <imbrandon> holy jesus , heh imbrandon.com stats went way up the last two weeks
[09:14] <imbrandon> Average successful requests per day: 2,466 
[09:23] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[09:23] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[11:21] <Riddell> imbrandon: great, thanks
[11:21] <imbrandon> moins Riddell
[11:21] <Riddell> hmm, ubuntu-news didn't contain any of the things I sent to Mattrevel
[11:22] <imbrandon> burger sent it i think
[11:25] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2912  <-- kmformat , definately not the most gracefull but works with what was provided ;)
[11:26] <imbrandon> dident know if you wanted me to just upload it or not
[11:26] <imbrandon> i had to change his ./install script a bit at the bottom so the paths would work with a debian build system
[11:26] <Riddell> I'll take a look after meeting
[11:26] <imbrandon> but its in the diff.gz at the bottom
[11:26] <imbrandon> kk
[11:27] <imbrandon> meeting today ? distro team? i thought that was cancled ?
[11:27] <imbrandon> becosue of the sprint
[11:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon, Riddell: hey
[11:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: arf, I was working on this one (kmformat) just now :)
[11:28] <imbrandon> heh Riddell poked someone to do it last night and no one said anything so i did it ;(
[11:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I say I would do it :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> read the logs :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:33]  <Riddell> well, as it happens, we do need someone to package SoC project kmformat http://www.micoulou.info/kformat/KMFormat0.1beta.tar.gz
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:33]  <Hobbsee> hahaha
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:33]  <Hobbsee> thought so :P
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:34]  * Riddell beds
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:37]  <Hobbsee> night Riddell
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:38]  * Hobbsee cant package it - work
[11:29] <imbrandon> [19:44]  <imbrandon> monis
[11:30] <imbrandon> Tonio_: sorry but i dident and still dont see it ;( hehehe
[11:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no problem
[11:30] <imbrandon> hopefully you dident spend too much time with it
[11:31] <Tonio_> the package is done and on revu, that's all right
[11:31] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope I didn't
[11:31] <imbrandon> okies ;)
[11:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: not an ubuntu meeting (a quaker meeting)
[11:31] <imbrandon> ahh ok ;) hehe
[11:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you a quaker ? did knew this ;)
[11:33] <Riddell> yes, that's why I just sit there quietly quaking away
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[11:35] <Riddell> abattoir: the first :)
[11:35] <imbrandon> ;P
[11:35] <Tonio_> abattoir: lol
[11:35] <Tonio_> I must say the confusion could exist indeed :)
[11:35] <imbrandon> lol atleaste on irc i guess
[11:36] <abattoir> Riddell: aah, ok :)
[11:37] <imbrandon> ok more mt dew and time to fix konversation, ping me if something looks strange with that kmformat Riddell me and bddebian did the best we could with the psudo build system he has 
[11:37] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:38] <imbrandon> who's SoC project is that anyhow ?
[11:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: should/could we switch to plastik in case we don't find any solution ?
[11:39] <imbrandon> Tonio_: want another polish isssue i dont have time to look at ?
[11:40] <Tonio_> both themes are about the same, the only difference is kickers separators
[11:40] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sure
[11:40] <Tonio_> I have a few settings to do in kontact too
[11:40] <imbrandon> its with the new kdm theme, it dosent look correct in xdmpc login see: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss6.png
[11:41] <Tonio_> since the "synchronization" button displays since 3.5.3 and we don't want it (no kitckensync installed)
[11:41] <imbrandon> i took that screen shot about 3 hours ago
[11:41] <Tonio_> what is knext ?
[11:41] <imbrandon> moins apachelogger
[11:41] <Tonio_> yop apachelogger
[11:42] <imbrandon> Tonio_: you mean xnest ? its a nested xserver inside a running xserver ( it uses the xdmpc login screen )
[11:42] <apachelogger> hola!
[11:42] <Tonio_> oups xnest sorry (/me just wokeup !!)
[11:42] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wow that's VERY specific issue at least :)
[11:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_: to test what i have in the screen shot install xnest package and run "Xnest -query localhost :1" with xdmpc enabled in kdmrc
[11:43] <imbrandon> xdmpc is used for remote logins too ;)
[11:43] <Tonio_> yes I know, the thing that nobody uses :)
[11:44] <apachelogger> because I never get it work properly :P
[11:44] <Tonio_> terminal server kind of technologies are more interesting to me at least :)
[11:44] <imbrandon> hehe i was using it to give UWN the screenshot for the new KDM theme but it dident work out as seen ;)
[11:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: should that be considered a bug in kdm theme or in xdmpc ?
[11:44] <imbrandon> kdmtheme
[11:44] <imbrandon> err the kdm theme
[11:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well kwwii is the expert for this
[11:45] <Tonio_> by far more accurate on this than I am
[11:45] <imbrandon> probably , hehe you was just talking about polish , thought i would point it out ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you maybe should create a bug on kubuntu-artwork package and send him an email
[11:45] <imbrandon> yea i planed on it, just noticed a few hours ago and havent taken the time to
[11:46] <Tonio_> imbrandon: sure, but concerning this part, there is someone really better than I am, so better ask him directly ;)
[11:46] <imbrandon> okie no worries ;)
[11:46] <Tonio_> especially when kdm theme is kind of a mess I must say
[11:46] <imbrandon> heh
[11:47] <imbrandon> xnest is good to test say kde4 also becouse you can install kde4 in a user home dir , and xnest login with that user ;)
[11:47] <imbrandon> kinda like a vm but not ;)
[11:48] <Tonio_> I remember Riddell complaining kdm was a real mess when he worked on the graphical shutdown using usplash
[11:48] <Tonio_> it looks like gdm is really easy to handle :)
[11:48] <imbrandon> yea they essentialy are the same except the tool kit uses afaik but i've never really paid much attention
[11:49] <imbrandon> the themes are pretty interchangeable ( with only minor changes most of the time )
[11:50] <imbrandon> and it will stay dapper for 5 years LOL
[11:50] <imbrandon> i hate upgrading that thing
[11:50] <imbrandon> something always breaks
[11:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes
[11:56] <Tonio_> it is like upgrading debian on a production server.....;
[11:56] <Tonio_> I generally do it by night
[11:56] <imbrandon> yup ;)
[11:57] <Tonio_> my best experience is a full migration from windows 2003 / IIS and all the intranet to debian / sun active server pages + apache in one night
[11:58] <Tonio_> that was kind of hot since we decided to migrate at 20 and started at 21 lol
[11:58] <imbrandon> hahaha ;)
[11:58] <Tonio_> IIS security issue, so we didn't have any other option
[11:58] <imbrandon> i bet
[12:00] <imbrandon> Riddell: hows the kde 4 packages shapin up ? heh
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have been able to reactivate antialiasing on fonts, I'm working on kds to had it
[12:14] <imbrandon> wb Hobbsee
[12:15] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[12:15] <danimo> yay, amarok 1.2 release today
[12:15] <danimo> hi Hobbsee, imbrandon
[12:15] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[12:15] <Tonio_> yop danimo
[12:15] <Hobbsee> danimo: yeah, supposedly.  1.4.2, you mean
[12:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: guess what , konvo build on edgy yay \0/ heh building the dapper now and then i will sync
[12:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yay :)
[12:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: erm, yes :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then you will sync?  ie, then you will do the daily builds?
[12:17] <imbrandon> no then i will upload, it just finished, uploading now 
[12:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: good news, k3b now works properly, thanks to toma
[12:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh cool
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay :)
[12:17] <imbrandon> you doing amarok 1.4.2 today ?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes, i expect so
[12:17] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: same place i always upload to ;)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ie, buntudot repos, i hope
[12:18] <imbrandon> yes
[12:18] <Hobbsee> good
[12:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the really strange point i katapult
[12:18] <Tonio_> it seems to work on some computers, but toma could reproduce my issue....
[12:18] <imbrandon> hahaha
[12:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I think it works for you no ?
[12:18] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: they are built with full debugging so he would probably like it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: katapult works here
[12:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah ok, nice
[12:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: grmpf........; that is really strange
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: is katapult working for you ?
[12:19] <imbrandon> Tonio_: katapult works fine here too
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: argh !
[12:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: edgy ?
[12:19] <imbrandon> yup
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you and toma wouldnt happen to be running skim, would you?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope
[12:19] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.16-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2932 MHz (5868 bogomips), HD: 42/184GB, RAM: 653/927MB, 122 proc's, 19.32h up
[12:20] <imbrandon> shows -16 becouse this si a xen DomU
[12:20] <imbrandon> but its edgy
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, so i cant blame that then.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that was the problem with the "i cant make my konsole transparent"
[12:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah oki
[12:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, imbrandon: I assume you have seens the latest kdmtheme -the black one
[12:24] <Tonio_> what is your opinion on this ?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hmmm....
[12:24] <Tonio_> I assume it is an in progress version, but that's... strange I must say
[12:24] <Hobbsee> it looks nice, but it's not right
[12:24] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:25] <Hobbsee> it's almost too busy
[12:25] <Hobbsee> and/or the colours dont blend
[12:25] <Hobbsee> or is it that they blend too well?
[12:25] <imbrandon> yea i seen it , just filed a bug on it here in a minute look http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss6.png
[12:25] <Tonio_> well kwwii knows what he does, but I just hope this is not is final goal :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course
[12:26] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes but did you see the working one ?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> oh yes, that's it.  the black sections need to be all black. or mostly black
[12:26] <Hobbsee> it currently looks like there's too *much* shiny fading
[12:26] <Hobbsee> i love shiny stuff - but there is a limit on it
[12:27] <imbrandon> Tonio_: not yet, u ahvent restarted kde in days
[12:27] <imbrandon> s/u/i/g
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i just did
[12:31] <Lure> Tonio_: katapult also works here (edgy with ~/.kde from dapper)
[12:31] <Lure> imbrandon: is this just because of xnest or do you get it also on normal system?
[12:32] <imbrandon> lure normal xdmpc login too
[12:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: its just a nested xserver ;)
[12:32] <danimo> does edgy come with zeroconf enabled?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, yeah, but how do you use it?
[12:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: does qt4 work in edgy now?
[12:33] <imbrandon> danimo: no
[12:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: i dont think so.  there was a long and complicated thread about it though
[12:33] <imbrandon> Tm_T: yes
[12:33] <Tm_T> imbrandon: yay!
[12:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: I guess from the same people who want to keep the IPP detection off by default
[12:33] <Tonio_> Lure: I installed a dapper and it worked, it started to fail while I migrated to edgy
[12:33] <Tonio_> and it did this when I reinstalled too
[12:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you can start it by "xnest :1" then shove any thing you wanted to run on display :1
[12:34] <danimo> Hobbsee: because they think it makes the system vulnerable
[12:34] <Lure> Tonio_: I have clean Knot1 install + updates on laptop and dapper->edgy upgrade on desktop and both work
[12:34] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes, obviously
[12:34] <Tonio_> Lure: shit.....
[12:34] <Lure> Tonio_: but both are using old .kde from dapper
[12:34] <Tonio_> Lure: my installation too, here is the strange issue
[12:35] <Tonio_> Lure: can you try to create a new profile eventually
[12:35] <Tonio_> to use .kde from edgy, and confirm me if it works or not ?
[12:35] <Tonio_> could be an interesting test
[12:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: I share Kurt's opinion on that: It's totally BS
[12:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: and it makes things complicated without need
[12:37] <Lure> Tonio_: tried with the Edgy user and it still works. sorry.
[12:39] <Tonio_> Lure: argh !
[12:41] <Lure> Hobbsee: congrats on top ten: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors!
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: thanks :P
[12:48] <Tonio_> I'm uploading kds, antialiased fonts will now work
[12:48] <Tonio_> is there a launchpad bug to close concerning this ?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i would think so
[12:48] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks for that - my eyes really hurt on edgy ;-)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[12:49] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is I don't know if that'll work for existig profiles*
[12:49] <Tonio_> but on new ones, it works here
[12:50] <Lure> Tonio_: bug 56420
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56420 in kdebase "I lost antialiased fonts after upgrade to the kde 3.5.4" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56420
[12:50] <Lure> Tonio_: we will see
[12:50] <Tonio_> Lure: I just would like someone to confirm this before closing the bug
[12:51] <Tonio_> it works here at least
[12:51] <Tonio_> Lure: can you test if I send you the deb plz ?
[12:51] <Lure> Tonio_: yep
[12:51] <Tonio_> dcc send
[12:52] <Tonio_> Lure: best is to create a new profile and start the session
[12:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm waiting for your comment to close the bug
[12:57] <Tonio_> fonts are still a bit fuzzy bit at least antialiased here :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> dunno what to do concerning the fuzzyness
[12:58] <Lure> Tonio_: it works, but I agree they are a bit fuzzy
[12:58] <Lure> it may be that xorg 7.1 handles them differently
[01:01] <Tonio_> Lure: yes and I don't like this
[01:01] <Tonio_> we should report a bug concerning this, with 2 images one with the dapper render and one with the edgy one
[01:01] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm closing the bug concerning antialiasing
[01:02] <Lure> Tonio_: put a note that this is for edgy
[01:02] <Lure> (some users report 3.5.4 bugs for dapper)(
[01:02] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we update dapper kds to resolv the issue ?
[01:03] <Tonio_> I think no since dapper kde official version is 3.5.2...
[01:06] <Lure> Tonio_: would only make sense if newer kde would be backported...
[01:07] <Tonio_> Lure: that's my feeling too
[01:07] <Tonio_> current packages, even posted by riddell, aren't "official" ones
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: doesnt that depend on how you define "official"?  :P
[01:08] <imbrandon> unless Riddell put a kde 3.5.4 k-d-s on kubuntu.org ;)
[01:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: indeed hehe :)
[01:09] <imbrandon> they are official just not supported by canonical ;)
[01:12] <Lure> Tonio_: we already discussed once: you have Sony laptop with special keys? can you add them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukaRenko/Keycodes ?
[01:13] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, there is a launchpad bug concerning this
[01:14] <Tonio_> paul sladen is supposed to get them to ubuntu
[01:14] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is that the way it works is a bit strange
[01:14] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, now I remember - they still lack support in hotkey-setup package
[01:14] <Tonio_> because sonypi module uses different output blabla
[01:14] <Tonio_> I didn't understood everything but it looks like a bit special to handle
[01:15] <Tonio_> Lure: exactly
[01:15] <Tonio_> Lure: could be interesting to ping sladen concerning this
[01:36] <toma> off to bbq
[01:36] <toma> bye
[01:41] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: ping
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pong
[01:53] <Tonio_> Lure: what is your keycode work providing that hotkey-setup doesn't ?
[01:54] <Tonio_> little kde interface or osd during the changes ?
[01:54] <Lure> Tonio_: just proper keycode -> xkeysym mapping and then auto actions/OSD by kmilo
[01:54] <Tonio_> Lure: interesting
[01:55] <Lure> Tonio_: moslty we just reuse kmilo generic module
[01:55] <Tonio_> I hope sladen will get the vaio work in before edgy is out
[01:55] <Lure> Tonio_: but I may look into getting nicer OSD from amarok/konversation and merge it into kmilo
[01:55] <Lure> kmilo's OSD is a bit square...
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: yes that would be nice indeed
[01:56] <Tonio_> amarok's one is really nice
[01:56] <Tonio_> Lure: do you have that strange dunhal
[01:57] <Tonio_> dunhandler entry in kmenu/utility ?
[01:57] <Tonio_> looks like a "bug" since this is a script used by kio-sdp
[01:57] <Lure> Tonio_: yep :-( I think it was added recently...
[01:57] <Tonio_> we should get any access to it
[01:57] <Tonio_> I'll remove it
[01:58] <Tonio_> a script should have a kmenu entry in any way
[02:00] <Lure> Tonio_: if you want to ping sladen, go to #ubuntu-devel... ;-)
[02:03] <Tonio_> sure ;)
[02:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: how did you fix the antialiasing problem?
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: simply added 2 entries in kdeglobals
[02:04] <Tonio_> they were not required before but now they are
[02:05] <Tonio_> XftAntialias=true
[02:05] <Tonio_> XftHintStyle=hintmedium
[02:05] <Tonio_> XftSubPixel=none
[02:05] <Tonio_> that's the change riddell
[02:05] <Tonio_> I've had a few people to test before uploading of course
[02:05] <Tonio_> Lure confirmed it works for him too
[02:06] <Lure> Riddell: but there still seems some issue with font rendering in Xorg 7.1
[02:06] <Lure> Riddell: fonts just look different in Edgy than in Dapper...
[02:07] <Tonio_> yes, I agree on that point, fonts are not perfect even with that fix
[02:10] <Tonio_> Lure: it would be interesting to ask gnome users if they feel the same with their fonts
[02:12] <imbrandon> ccache ;)
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: doesnt looked to have killed anything yet.
[03:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:02] <imbrandon> yea i'm running it now
[03:02] <imbrandon> takes about 5 minutes to get used to but its FSKIN nice
[03:02] <imbrandon> i love the fact i can have ALL my channels open on both networks and not pick and choose
[03:03] <imbrandon> or run irssi 
[03:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hey wow!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> this will take some getting used to
[03:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss8.png
[03:06] <Tonio_> what is your opinion on this :
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice
[03:06] <Tonio_> I saw a few criticize on the net concerning kdesu prompt box
[03:06] <Tonio_> people were saying it would be nicer not to display the command launched
[03:07] <Tonio_> I must say that makes sense on a desktop oriented distro
[03:07] <Tonio_> I think ubuntu/gnome don't display the command too
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do you have a link to it?
[03:07] <Tonio_> I would approve such a choice
[03:07] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, but this is security issue - user should know what will happen as root
[03:07] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nope, it was a few weeks ago, I just took a note of it
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: my only concern with that would be if a script was running some form of dodgy command - and you might not see what was executing as a resut.
[03:08] <seaLne> Lure: yep was about to say that
[03:08] <Hobbsee> s/resut/result
[03:08] <Tonio_> Lure: possibly but well...
[03:08] <Tonio_> maybe hidding it with a "details" button would be nicer no ?
[03:08] <Tonio_> then click details to see the command launched
[03:08] <Lure> Tonio_: if we hide it, we should add "Details" or "Command Info" button that may display details of the command being executed
[03:08] <Lure> exactly ;-)
[03:09] <Tonio_> the point is that, honnestly, people that are concerned by the security know what happens and don't need the command
[03:09] <Tonio_> the people that would need the command probably don't simply understand it...
[03:09] <Tonio_> here is mpy conern
[03:09] <Tonio_> concern
[03:09] <Lure> Tonio_: I am concerned about security, but this does not mean it is clear which command is being executed 
[03:10] <Tonio_> think about it : a file named "birtney_pussy.exe" doesn't prevent people from clicking on it you know :)
[03:10] <Lure> Tonio_: I agree that regular users do not understand it...
[03:10] <Lure> ;-)
[03:10] <Tonio_> so the people that don't use the shell would probably enter the password whatever is the command displayed
[03:11] <Tonio_> and honnestly, this information is typically the kind of things that make linux "too complicated" is the spirit of many
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, in the case of amarok mp3 install script, it is nice to know what is going on
[03:11] <Hobbsee> true
[03:11] <Tonio_> I would like a "details" button that would display the command
[03:12] <Tonio_> but let it hidden by default
[03:12] <Hobbsee> point
[03:12] <Tonio_> that would change anything for the security concerned personn and would make it more clear for the guy that would enter the password whatever happens
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on this ?
[03:13] <Tonio_> note that I agree seeing the command doesn't change anything except for people that are judging the "difficulty" of the system without thinking a second about it
[03:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems fair
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that I can have ideas, but not the potential to do it myself lol :)
[03:14] <Tonio_> Lure: if you have time one day hhe
[03:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: just uploaded a new kds to remove the "synchronisation" in it
[03:14] <Tonio_> in kontact. Nasty error message when clicking on it since kitchensync isn't installed by default
[03:19] <Tonio_> who is using a keyboard with specific caracters like spanish or other ?
[03:19] <imbrandon> heh Riddell when konversation 2.0 hits and i package it up we should definately put the treeview as default in k-d-s it is sooooo very nice
[03:19] <Tonio_> it looks like kde has a nasty bug I have but that I don't get in gtk apps for example
[03:20] <imbrandon> Tonio_: does a windows key count as another language ? hehe just tesasin
[03:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: agreed
[03:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: impossible to type  correctly in kde apps (except pasting from gtk one hehe)
[03:20] <Tonio_> it give this : ^e
[03:20] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:21] <Tonio_> yes that's not nice.... I need to investigate this, but it looks like a kde specific issue
[03:21] <Tonio_> it happened when I migrated to edgy
[03:21] <Tonio_> it worked fine with dapper so I suspect a setting should resolve the issue
[03:22] <imbrandon> hrm what orde^path does kicker look for the distributor logo ?
[03:22] <imbrandon> order*
[03:27] <Tonio_> hum, the keyboard issue happens with both qt and kde apps
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to investigate this, but first, do you have an opinion what "might" cause the issue ?
[03:28] <Tonio_> I've been reported it is not a local issuek, other french users have it too
[03:53] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:55] <Tonio_> heya bddebian
[03:57] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[04:14] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[04:15] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:16] <Hobbsee> does someone feel like calling my work tomorrow, and telling them i'm sick?
[04:16] <imbrandon> heh
[04:18] <imbrandon> probably not
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  probably due to doing the same thing for 8 hours, with only two minor breaks.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> that sucks.
[06:02] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[06:21] <Lure> Tonio_: since Riddell is probably already travelling, I have send laptop key fixes also to your e-mail for review
[06:24] <Tonio_> Lure: sure, but the point is I can review the package, probably not the code since I'm not very involved on that part
[06:24] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, np
[06:24] <Tonio_> so I will review, but certainly not upload before ridell gives his opinion :)
[07:15] <nixternal> imbrandon, new konvo is rocking brother!!! thanks
[07:16] <imbrandon> yea very solid here too, even got Seveas to install it for a minute LOL , anyhow i'm off to nap for a few
[07:23] <Lure> imbrandon: where can I get new konversation?
[07:25] <imbrandon> dapper or edgy ?
[07:25] <imbrandon> deb http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy konversation-nightly
[07:25] <imbrandon> deb-src http://imbrandon.com/packages edgy konversation-nightly
[07:26] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.com/pubkey.gpg if you need my key
[07:26] <Lure> imbrandon: edgy - thanks
[07:26] <imbrandon> and s/edgy/dapper/g if you want dapper
[07:26] <danimo> imbrandon: is a nightly build really worth it for konvi?
[07:27] <imbrandon> danimo: the konversation team wanted it, and yea there are tons of changes daily most of the time
[07:27] <imbrandon> danimo: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss8.png <--- thats todays daily
[07:27] <imbrandon> check out the new list view option
[07:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:28] <danimo> imbrandon: ah, no more tabs
[07:28] <danimo> imbrandon: that looks cool for my widescreen
[07:29] <imbrandon> well there are still tabs, you can choose either way
[07:30] <Tm_T> imbrandon: mooh, not any chance to get channels numbered? like irssi ;)
[07:31] <nixternal> now that would be kool
[07:31] <imbrandon> Tm_T: poke sho in #konversation but i doubt it since they just went into feature freeze for the 0.20 release here in a few days 
[07:31] <Tm_T> meh
[07:32] <Tm_T> hi abattoir 
[07:33] <abattoir> hello Tm_T :)
[07:34] <imbrandon_> hahaha
[07:34] <imbrandon_> no more 20 chan limit ;)
[07:34] <nixternal> found a bug i think ;)
[07:34] <nixternal> Tm_T: you can meta+number to change tabs
[07:35] <Tm_T> nixternal: I know, but that's not the same what I meant
[07:35] <imbrandon> nixternal: i can
[07:35] <Tm_T> nixternal: I like to see just a number where is activity, not whole channel name
[07:35] <imbrandon> use irssi then ;)
[07:36] <Tm_T> imbrandon: I do I do ;)
[07:36] <imbrandon> thats why i dont like irssi cuz i cant see the chan names ;)
[07:36] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:36] <nixternal> hehe
[07:36] <nixternal> imbrandon: i have a script that will show you all the channel names if you are interested
[07:36] <nixternal> i kinda like it, but then again i don't
[07:36] <imbrandon> i found an easy way past the 20 chan limit though
[07:37] <imbrandon> nixternal: nah i dont use irssi enough
[07:37] <nixternal> so did i, i messaged an admin
[07:37] <Tm_T> imbrandon: you see, I do remember exactly what channel is what number, even if there's over 20 channels etc ;)
[07:37] <imbrandon> nixternal: how ?
[07:37] <nixternal>  /msg lilo
[07:37] <nixternal> like that
[07:37] <nixternal> ;)
[07:37] <imbrandon> no dodo
[07:37] <Tm_T> nah
[07:37] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:38] <imbrandon> well its the same way everyone already does it actualy just can do it from one client now
[07:38] <imbrandon> easier
[07:38] <nixternal> i only use irssi for my admin stuff...you notice RichJ in a channel, that is cuz he can be op'd and using nalioth's script for backup
[07:38] <Tm_T> ugh
[07:38] <Tm_T> I use irssi for, err, irc, irc, irc, msn, jabber ...
[07:38] <nixternal> i use konversation for all of that as well with bitlbee
[07:39] <Tm_T> hmm, I'm bit low on channels atm, less than 50
[07:39] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss9.png <-- look at the two freenodees
[07:40] <Tm_T> oh those colours are hurting my eyes
[07:41] <imbrandon> then use irssi on a black and green wise unix term and be happy, i'm off to sleep, gnight all ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/images/konvo.jpg    <- 1 freenode more than 20
[07:41] <Tm_T> imbrandon: hehe ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> 22 to be exact
[07:41] <Tm_T> nixternal: I know, you have +r in your modes
[07:42] <Tm_T> I did too until this shell server had service cutout
[08:11] <yuriy> hi Sime
[09:28] <lnxkde> I have a little problem with KDE 3.5.4
[09:28] <lnxkde> averytime I login it ask me to take the configuration wizard 
[09:29] <lnxkde> about the eyecandy settings...
[10:54] <Lure> Tonio_: thoenig commited some fixed for kwallet integration for knetworkmanager: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/knetworkmanager/src/
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: very interesting, let me look
[10:55] <Tonio_> we cant update the version, but we still can provide a patch
[10:55] <Tonio_> or maybe ask for uvf exception request
[10:55] <Tonio_> that would probably be better
[10:55] <Lure> Tonio_: why can't we update the version?
[10:55] <Lure> lot's of files changed...
[10:56] <Lure> maybe we should check with thoenig if he plans any release soon
[10:58] <Tonio_> Lure: hum, thoenig probably won't since he bases the releases on suse plan
[10:58] <Tonio_> and new opensuse is not planned for a while...
[10:59] <Lure> Tonio_: true - and our package is still not based on svn, right?
[11:00] <Tonio_> Lure: my package is based on svn revisions number
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: didn't we have problems with packaging version directly out of svn?
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: we did
[11:02] <Tonio_> Lure: but since only src had been changed, I assume I can simply update the src folder and get the same tarball structure
[11:02] <Tonio_> I'm testing
[11:02] <Lure> probably true
[11:02] <Tonio_> if it builds, I'll do an uvf exception  request
[11:02] <Tonio_> other folders haven't been changed for month
[11:03] <Tonio_> but yes, it is quite complicated to make the tarball from svn, so we generally use suse src packages
[11:04] <Tonio_> currently building
[11:12] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm also synching the icons since the size bugs looks like resolved
[11:12] <Tonio_> "icons are now real 22x22"
[11:13] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is we have to update the patches, especially nodialup one
[11:14] <Lure> Tonio_: good. I can look into patch problems - just upload version w/o patch somewhere
[11:15] <Tonio_> I'm just doing it now
[11:15] <Tonio_> they are quite easy to port, almost nothing to change
[11:22] <danimo> oha, edgy has Firefox 2.0 b1?
[11:22] <danimo> that's... edgy
[11:23] <Lure> danimo: true, particularly as it will be released after edgy (after recent slip announcement) ;-)
[11:24] <danimo> wow, the edgy upgrade is running for about 2,5 hours now (not counting download time)
[11:24] <Lure> danimo: kdepim question: I got annoyed by network errors in dialogs when I am not on net - how hard you think would be to move those to status bar (= less visible)
[11:25] <danimo> Lure: in kmail?
[11:25] <Lure> yep
[11:25] <danimo> Lure: just send it to offline mode
[11:25] <danimo> Lure: file menu
[11:25] <danimo> Lure: suse even has patches to trigger offline mode from knm, but those were less than mature last time I looked
[11:25] <Lure> danimo: true, but even worse: at work I cannot access external pop, while at home I cannot access work's imap :-(
[11:27] <Lure> currently I workaround by having all on manual - and then using Check Mail...
[11:27] <danimo> Lure: afaik you can script kmail into disabling certain accounts
[11:27] <Lure> danimo: that would be interesting, with dcop?
[11:27] <danimo> Lure: but I cannot verify right now, since in the current state of upgrade it would be less than clever to start kmail
[11:27] <danimo> Lure: yes
[11:27] <danimo> I can be wrong of course
[11:28] <Lure> ok, will check dcop interfaces
[11:38] <Tonio_> kopete has the same problem
[11:40] <danimo> Tonio_: yes, but it is unlikely that we can find a satifying solution before KDE 4
[11:41] <danimo> Tonio_: both apps have an offline mode
[11:41] <danimo> but the operating system needs to give hints
[11:42] <Tonio_> danimo: yes I know ;)
[11:42] <Tonio_> nice to ear that kde4 will not cause the issue
[11:43] <Tonio_> danimo: since you are here, I have a locales issue that drives me nuts
[11:43] <Tonio_> specific to kda
[11:44] <Tonio_> kde
[11:44] <danimo> Tonio_: well, hopefully at least. it all depends on wether we will be able to come up with a meaningful dbus interface for offline modes on freedesktop.org
[11:44] <Tonio_> here is the point
[11:44] <danimo> but it should be problem
[11:44] <danimo> Tonio_: not sure if I can help but.. .shoot
[11:44] <Tonio_> sure I can understant this :)
[11:44] <Tonio_> here it is :
[11:44] <Tonio_> I can't write ""e
[11:44] <Tonio_> I can't write "" correctly
[11:44] <danimo> 
[11:44] <danimo> actually I can
[11:45] <Tonio_> danimo: yes you have dapper
[11:45] <danimo> Tonio_: not using deadkeys?
[11:45] <Tonio_> when edgy will installed that will fail
[11:45] <danimo> Tonio_: not after the next reboot :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> danimo: that's it
[11:45] <danimo> Tonio_: do you use deadkeys?
[11:45] <Tonio_> the point is it works in tty or gtk apps
[11:45] <danimo> interesting
[11:45] <Tonio_> but neither kde apps nor qt ones are working
[11:45] <Tonio_> I'm just wondering where could be the issue
[11:45] <danimo> Tonio_: I'll have a look
[11:45] <Tonio_> that a bit weird
[11:45] <Tonio_> oki
[11:45] <danimo> Tonio_: I just wonder how much longer the upgrade takes
[11:46] <Tonio_> this is really problematic for french :)
[11:46] <danimo> it's in setup phase right now
[11:46] <Tonio_> danimo: should be hat long
[11:46] <danimo> Tonio_: hehe, germans can easily get around that by transscribung umlauts
[11:46] <Tonio_> unless you have a completly crazy number of packages installed
[11:46] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:46] <Tonio_> is  existing in german ?
[11:46] <danimo> like almost all of gnome ended on my installation
[11:46] <danimo> nope
[11:46] <Tonio_> I'm surprised you can write it currently
[11:47] <danimo> but I have deadkeys activated
[11:47] <Tonio_> okay
[11:47] <Tonio_> so I first would like you to confirm me if you have the issue after next reboot ;)
[11:47] <danimo>    
[11:47] <Tonio_> that would be nice cause it is really a pain to write french
[11:47] <Tonio_>  or  are working since it isn't a french combination on french keyboard
[11:48] <Tonio_> but ^u or ^e are combinations
[11:48] <danimo> Tonio_: well, french keyboards are even more painful than german ones
[11:48] <Tonio_> here is the point
[11:48] <Tonio_> well after a few years it is quite okay for me
[11:48] <Tonio_> but I agree it is by far easier okn qwerty keyboards
[11:48] <danimo> yes, I also got used to have keys like []  and {} at totally inaccessible places
[11:49] <danimo> Tonio_: but trust me, after 450 pages of latex, you get used to it :)
[11:51] <Tonio_> danimo: haha
[11:53] <danimo> wtf?
[11:53] <danimo> why did the upgrade of eagle just launch eagle?
[12:02] <danimo> Tonio_: hmm, dpkg-new files are for manual conflict resolution, right?