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johnlittleponingru I've done a couple of sections01:46
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rjianhello people02:55
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poningru_did someone do uwn?03:25
poningru_frack03:25
poningruseriously no one?03:27
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rjiangood morning04:00
elkbuntuponingru, johnlittle said he did some on uwn04:13
poningruyeah but we need to do community news04:14
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poningrubut we need more stuff added in04:14
elkbuntutalk to john about it i guess04:16
poningru... elkbuntu oh comeon you can come up with something right?04:17
poningrujohnlittle: ping04:17
elkbuntuponingru, unfortunately not at the moment. got people coming around in half an hour for a bbq04:18
poningru:(04:19
poningruerr have fun :)04:19
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Madpilotgreetings all04:20
elkbuntuponingru, i hope so.. maybe this fellow has some ideas04:20
Madpilotjohnlittle, you know you can upload images directly to the wiki?04:20
MenZaHey MAdpilot.04:28
MenZaMadpilot*04:28
Madpilothi MenZa04:30
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johnlittlemadpilot: I just assumed that I couldn't. I'll go check it out04:38
Madpilotjohnlittle, before you hit the Edit link, look in the dropdown menu to the right of it - one of the options is "Attachments"04:39
johnlittlecool. thx04:39
johnlittleI'm changing my UWN stuff now04:43
poningru :)04:44
johnlittledone04:46
johnlittlemadpilot: thx for the tip04:46
Madpilotnp05:00
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johnlittlejohnlittle: ping06:19
johnlittlejohnlittle: pong06:19
nixternalhaving fun?06:19
johnlittlelol06:19
johnlittleI just realized the UWN is  doc team project06:19
nixternalit was originally...it got changed to a marketing team project for one reason or the other06:20
nixternalyou need to be in with the dev's for a lot of it, and you have to scour the heck out of all the mailing lists06:20
johnlittleyeah..been contributing where i can06:21
nixternali used a feature in kontact, as i subscribe to all the mailing lists pretty much..and i have it create a report for the week of .... and then i have pretty much everything i need06:21
johnlittleshould I edit the wiki then..it says its a doc team project06:21
nixternalgeneral community news is the easiest...there was linux  world and ubucon this week, so those will be the 2 biggest stories06:21
nixternalthen you need to add the latest edgy releases for each distro, dapper updates for each distro, and meeting minutes for each distro if there are some06:22
nixternalif there are no minutes, gotta read the #ubuntu-meeting logs and in a way make them yourself...that kinda stinks06:22
nixternalthis week i didn't pay attention to much as the UWN was going to be handled by someone else, so i laid back a little and worked on some doc work and packaging..and now some sleep i think06:23
johnlittleWhos that someone else?06:24
nixternali think matthewrevell, but i could very well be mistaken06:24
johnlittleright..but he is dealing with his dad06:24
nixternalthats right06:24
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nixternalforgot about that06:25
nixternalwell then, everyone could chip in06:25
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nixternalhiya MitchM06:25
johnlittleI've dont three sections so far06:25
johnlittledone06:25
johnlittleI can do the general community news too06:25
MitchMenjoyed the e-mail you sent out to the mailing list nixternal06:25
nixternalheh, i send out many...which one?06:25
nixternali was i bitching in it at all?06:26
MitchM"Step down considerably"06:26
MitchMi believe to be the subject06:26
nixternalthats the john baer one i think06:26
MitchMoh just stressed some good market points06:26
MitchMso how's the channel tonight? everyone alive and well?06:27
nixternali actually had someone tell me that door-to-door isn't grassroots..i about fell out of my chair at the utter stupidity of the comment...door-to-door is where grassroots originated, before the word technology was even known ;)06:27
nixternalim just stopping in..i had a very exciting day at the air&water show in chicago06:28
MitchMah very nice06:28
nixternali got rid of the rest of my ubuntu disks, 200+...handed out who knows how many flyers..gave a speech today at a local university06:28
nixternalgood stuff06:28
MitchMmeh; the poor kid probably thought grassroots meant windows 3.106:29
MitchM*nods head in shame*06:29
nixternallol06:29
MitchMoh very nice nixternal...06:29
MitchMim trying to organize my local lug into another install fest06:29
nixternali wanted to setup demo machines..but the electrical union in chicago wouldn't allow it06:29
MitchMbah...06:29
MitchMblast them.06:29
nixternali have an install fest wednesday i believe06:29
MitchMexpected attendance?06:29
nixternali don't know what im going to do..i hope i get another shipment of disks in06:30
nixternal100+06:30
MitchMyeah... we seem to be short on all our disks06:30
nixternalim hoping to make it strictly ubuntu..but i know the college lug will be there with their gentoo and slackware disks...they tried last time..and only had 15 or so, while me and the other Ubuntu Chicago guy had 80+, including a few women06:31
MitchMdid you happen to see the YouTube video of the Ubuntu cd's being destroyed?06:31
nixternalya, i could have used those06:31
nixternal;)06:31
MitchM=) same06:31
MadpilotMitchM, link me?06:31
MitchMOh geeze...06:31
MitchMlet me look :-)06:31
nixternallol06:32
johnlittlehttp://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q06:32
MitchMand there you go.06:32
nixternalfthat was quick06:32
nixternalhe has it bookmarked06:32
MitchMhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q (for posterity sake)06:32
nixternaljohnlittle: how come that isn't posted on ubuntuvideo?06:32
nixternali mean, that is an ubuntu video06:32
MitchMlol.06:32
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MitchMtypo... bah.06:32
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nixternalyou can't only show the positive, gotta show the negative as well06:33
Madpilotjohnlittle, isn't Marketing 101 "There is no such thing as bad PR?" ;)06:33
MitchMis that a rule?06:33
MitchM:-)06:33
johnlittlemadpilot: only if youre paris hilton06:33
MitchMlol.06:33
nixternaljohnlittle: i take it you have seen the vw commercials where the car gets totalled?06:33
MitchMI was going to say something; but i decided not to06:33
nixternalthere is a message behind it, turn the video into a message06:34
johnlittleid rather not popularize that activity06:34
MitchMlike.... at the end make a penguin hack him to pieces?06:34
MitchMi finally understand nixternal...06:34
johnlittlei can spin it but id rather not highlight it06:34
MadpilotOK, the dumb laughing in the "soundtrack" of that just makes me snicker06:34
MitchMagreed06:35
Madpilotas is the fact that they're using an axe on carpet - their mom is going to ground them all... :)06:35
MitchMso I was going to buy a loco related domain name "locolinux.com" -- but I really have no purpose for it lol06:35
MitchMone of those _sweet_ preemptive strikes...06:35
MadpilotI was going to register "windowsvirusta.com" ;)06:36
MitchM=)06:36
nixternalheh, i have free vista cd's coming from msdn06:36
MitchMlocolinux = cool double meaning though06:36
MitchMcrazy for linux06:36
MitchM+ you know06:36
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Madpilotnixternal, you own an axe, right????06:36
nixternalhaha yup06:36
MitchMlol!06:36
johnlittlethe suse commercials are awesome: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIKI2piZsWg06:36
MitchMNow that I _would_ post06:36
nixternalwhat self respecting hillbilly wouldn't own an axe ;)06:37
MitchM*raises hand*06:37
MitchMbut i have a shotgun...06:37
MitchMthat would make a nice twist06:37
MitchM"boom goes windows"06:38
MadpilotMitchM, shotgun + Vista CDs... obvious, really ;)06:38
MitchMlol.06:38
Madpilot"Shooting out windows"06:38
nixternaloh, i have plenty of firearms now...im a gun toting 20+ year nra member ;)06:38
nixternalhaha06:38
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nixternalVista Skeet Shooting06:38
MitchMlol06:38
MitchMI like that idea06:38
MitchMMy company subscribes to the windows action-pack06:39
nixternalthe ubuntu dolls video is still kickin' butt06:39
MitchMif nothing else all our cd's have "microshaft" on them...06:39
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MitchMhands*06:39
johnlittlewindows smash: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JtHDkM9JhM06:40
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MitchMwell06:41
MitchMnot what I was expecting06:42
MitchMbut still pleasing to the eyes06:42
MitchMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BON5nd8Fg06:45
Madpilotshort & strange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bfLmkwHkA06:53
Madpilotnixternal, is that ^^^ the 'Ubuntu dolls' video you meant, or is there another one?06:54
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Madpilotjohnlittle, tomboy's actually already been covered in UWN - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue207:15
BurgundaviaMadpilot: tomboy as default part of the desktop is new07:15
Madpilottru07:15
Madpilottrue, even07:15
Burgundaviaso you can briefly say it is and then link back07:15
johnlittleok I'll kill it07:16
Burgundaviano, don't kill the whole section07:16
johnlittleI wasn't suggesting that..I'll do something else07:17
Burgundaviasounds good07:17
Burgundaviajohnlittle: are you working on the weekly news?07:22
johnlittleburgundavia: I'm working on Ubuntu Video but was going to edit UWN in a few minutes07:24
Burgundaviavery cool07:24
BurgundaviaI am going to work on it later tonight07:24
johnlittleI've add three sections but need to edit the tomboy part07:24
johnlittleadded07:24
johnlittlewas about to add the golden penguin story but it was added to the fridge as I was working on it07:25
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johnlittleRoblimo has given me permission to deep link his videos on linux.com and other sites so I'm working up a special page for folks without Flash07:38
johnlittlehttp://www.ubuntuvideo.com/linux_com_ubuntu_videos07:38
Burgundaviacool07:38
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johnlittleBurgundavia: I'm done with UWN if that deskbar writeup works for you08:09
johnlittleBurgundavia: Hrm lemme edit photo..nm08:10
Burgundaviajohnlittle: ok, I will start editing and hopefully we can get this out08:12
johnlittleBurgundavia: I need about 2 minutes08:13
Burgundaviaok, will wait08:13
elkbuntugood to see some life in here today :)08:18
Burgundaviaindeed08:18
Burgundaviahey elkbuntu08:18
BurgundaviaI had a question for you, but I forgot what it was :(08:19
elkbuntuabout the counter or the surveys?08:19
Burgundaviamaybe the former08:19
Burgundaviathe survey stuff should be combined with the /mystory stuff08:20
BurgundaviaI have been speaking with Chris Kenyon here (he was at Ubucon)08:20
elkbuntuafter the results are in, you mean?08:20
Burgundaviayes08:20
Burgundaviaanyway, chat with him08:20
elkbuntuyeah, i am anticipating that the MarketingTeam/Research page can act as a hub for anyone to go to to get research information and stuff.. it's only young yet. andreas' other survey stuff is linked from there also08:22
elkbuntui think maybe once it's established we might move it to just /Research or something also08:23
johnlittleBurgundavia: Done. sry about the delay.08:27
Burgundaviano worries08:27
elkbuntuspeaking of chris.. anyone know what the winning tshirt design was?08:29
Burgundaviano idea08:29
elkbuntui havent heard/noticed anything since.. and it's been 11 days since the deadline :|08:30
poningruBurgundavia!!08:30
Burgundaviahey poningru08:32
Burgundaviaok, lets get this UWN out08:32
poningruso sorry about this /me was working on something for wikipedia08:36
Burgundaviano worries08:37
BurgundaviaI am working on it now08:37
johnlittleBurgundavia: Done. I forgot to add a sentence about adding deskbar to a panel. I can do that quickly once you've made your edits08:39
poningruBurgundavia: are you working on expo stuff?08:39
BurgundaviaLWE? I was08:40
Burgundaviagnome booth, not Ubuntu one08:40
poningruBurgundavia: no talking about putting brief para about the expo in the UWN08:40
johnlittlethe suse stuff is hilarious...poor guys08:41
poningruhehe yeah08:41
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Burgundaviajohnlittle: all yours08:46
johnlittleBurgundavia: yay08:47
johnlittle;)08:47
Burgundavialet me know when you are finished, I will get this thing finished and out the door08:48
elkbuntuanyone know how matthewrevell and his father are?08:49
Burgundaviano, what was the issue?08:49
elkbuntunot really sure. he was waiting on test results the other day08:49
elkbuntuso sounds sort of evilly serious :(08:49
Burgundaviahmm, that is too bad08:49
elkbuntuyeah, cant help but to feel bad for them08:50
Burgundaviaabsolutely08:51
johnlittleBurgundavia: done08:52
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: please feel to proof it while I search for further content08:52
elkbuntuwhats the url?08:53
johnlittlehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1008:53
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1008:53
Burgundaviajohnlittle: hah, beat you ;)08:53
elkbuntuwow, nice synchronisation there08:53
johnlittlelol08:53
elkbuntuyouse both got to me at the same second08:53
elkbuntuwant me to edit out the errors, or write em down?08:55
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: edit them out08:55
BurgundaviaI am currently in content searching mode, not creation08:55
johnlittleI'm in error creation mode ;)08:56
Burgundaviaright08:56
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BurgundaviaI am perpetualy in that mode08:56
elkbuntuwoohoo. finally loaded the edit page08:56
Burgundavianixternal: UWN. got any content?08:58
elkbuntuhmm.. does: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger with Canonical's Malcolm Yates  sound better than: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger and Canonical's Malcolm Yates   ?08:58
Burgundaviais that not the same?08:58
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poningruyeah08:58
Burgundaviayes, lots of ands are bad08:58
Burgundaviachange as needed08:58
poningruelkbuntu: can we not go: Jorge, corey and canon's malcom08:59
Madpilotelkbuntu, drop the first 'and', just use a comma08:59
johnlittledont forget to add names to the credits08:59
poningruwhat he said ^^^08:59
elkbuntuMadpilot, ok.. i barely passed english in highschool.. so im a bit cautious about jumping in on some things ;)08:59
Madpilotheh. English was the one course in high school I consistently did well in :)09:00
poningruelkbuntu: hehe me too, I only took one english course in college09:00
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elkbuntuMadpilot, our exam was absolutely pathetic.. 'compare the symbols of light and dark between MacBeth and The Year of Living Dangerously'09:01
poningruI want to add couple of lines to each wiki page09:01
poningruerr hold on09:01
Madpilotponingru, change the template for every page, you mean?09:02
jendaI'll be right with you to help out (if still possible)09:02
jendaJust got up.09:02
poningruMadpilot: sure09:02
poningruMadpilot: well yes and not09:02
poningruhold on i want to apply this patch to our wiki09:02
poningruhttp://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php?r1=15930&r2=16137&sortby=date09:03
poningrugrr wtf09:03
poningruok well he didnt do that patch correctly09:03
poningrubut basically I want to add that09:04
Burgundaviaponingru: we use moinmoin09:04
poningrugetting ready for firefox 2.0 ;)09:04
Burgundaviaright09:04
poningruoh09:04
Burgundaviaanyway, who is currently editing? elkbuntu or poningru?09:04
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elkbuntui am.. slowly09:04
Burgundaviaok, no worries09:04
johnlittleShe's renaming it Elbuntu's Weekly News09:06
johnlittlegrr I'm buying a new keyboard in the morning09:06
poningrujohnlittle: /me has a bunch lying around you can have one if you find a way to get it to you09:08
elkbuntujohnlittle, lol09:08
johnlittleponingru: thx..i have some corded ones in the closet but I'm going to go replace this wireless one with an upgraded model09:10
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: ping me when you are done09:10
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poningrujohnlittle: spoiled :p09:10
johnlittlelol09:10
johnlittlewell i should be spending my money on women and beer tonight but I'm working on UWN..that alone is enough savings for a keyboard09:11
elkbuntujust hit save, Burgundavia09:11
elkbuntuso give the darn thing a few seconds to compute ;)09:12
johnlittleer minutes you mean09:12
elkbuntubasically just re-worded the first community news to flow a bit better09:13
Burgundaviaok, added new sections09:13
elkbuntufeel free to undo it all ;)09:13
johnlittleCorey and Melissa need to be added to the credits09:13
Burgundaviayep09:14
elkbuntuall i did was change words around...09:14
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: what is your last name?09:14
elkbuntuDraper09:14
Burgundaviaadded09:14
Burgundaviaok, what else do we need?09:15
elkbuntuugh, i feel dirty.. just booted the laptop into 'the other OS' to refresh myself in the workings of the opencd :|09:15
johnlittlebad elk09:15
elkbuntui sort of need refreshing before i try pimp it on sfd :P09:15
johnlittleAnything for the bug stats?09:16
Burgundaviaright, will do that09:17
poningruelkbuntu: uh... you were kidding right?09:19
poningrudraper I mean09:19
poningruelkbuntu: let me know if you need help with the opencd09:19
Burgundaviabug information added09:20
johnlittlenice09:20
elkbuntuponingru, i dont need help, i just need to refresh myself with what is where so i dont fumble and look like a moron09:21
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elkbuntuponingru, and... what do you mean am i kidding about my surname?09:22
Burgundaviaok, need another round of feedback09:25
BurgundaviaI think we are ready to print09:25
elkbuntugimme a few to skim over the new bits09:26
poningruBurgundavia: where do you get the bug information?09:27
poningrunot the security...09:27
Burgundavialp09:28
poningruoh.. didnt know it had that capabliity09:28
johnlittleshould the new apps in edgy be bulleted?09:28
Burgundaviait is very basic09:29
Burgundaviayes09:29
johnlittleit's kind of hard to read09:29
Burgundaviaoh, right, that is a bug09:29
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: you still editing?09:29
elkbuntualmost done09:30
Burgundaviawe need to do this stuff in gobby09:30
poningrugobby?09:30
BurgundaviaI will setup a gobby session on my server when I get home, to deal with it09:30
Burgundaviacollaborative editor09:30
poningruwoah09:30
Burgundaviaallows us all to edit at the same time09:31
elkbuntuok... i've hit save.. i keep forgetting to hit 'trivial change' to avoid spamming people :|09:31
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johnlittleheh you can see Automatix in the screenshot for deskbar..should I redo it or does it matter?09:31
Burgundavianot really09:31
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johnlittlegood09:32
rjianhello people09:32
johnlittlehello person09:33
elkbuntuBurgundavia, is there any more to be added or is it ready to roll?09:33
Burgundaviapretty much ready to roll09:33
elkbuntu:)09:33
johnlittleroll away09:33
Burgundaviajohnlittle: you want to honours to send it this week?09:33
BurgundaviaI will tell you when09:33
BurgundaviaI am going minor wording edits09:34
elkbuntuprobably undoing the edits i did :P09:34
johnlittleBurgundavia - How is it sent?09:34
elkbuntujohnlittle, got a dinner bell to ring?09:34
johnlittlelol09:35
elkbuntu"Come n' get it!"09:35
Burgundaviapretty much you copy the raw code and send it to ubuntu-news09:35
Burgundavialet me do a final edit and then we are good to go09:35
rjianBurgundavia: Do u have anysuggestion?? I will be conducting FOSS conference on my place this comming september...09:37
Burgundaviahmm, not really in a place to help you right now09:37
BurgundaviaIn a mall with free wifi and I need to get UWN out before it closes09:37
rjianhmmm09:39
Burgundaviajohnlittle: can you edit the news template to be the same as the #9 (mostly the footer about being a marketing team effort)09:39
Burgundaviajohnlittle: sorry, to be clear, just change the footer09:39
Burgundaviaelkbuntu, johnlittle: final changes?09:39
johnlittleBurgundavia: No changes here09:40
Burgundaviaok, adding toc09:40
rjianhmmm maybe after may documentation i can participat here.. hehehe09:41
johnlittleBurgundavia: template edited09:43
Burgundaviathanks09:43
Burgundaviafinal final sanity check09:44
johnlittleimage missing on the kubuntu post?09:44
Burgundaviajohnlittle: you need to copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10?action=raw to an email and email it to ubuntu-news@lists.ubuntu.com09:45
BurgundaviaI will approve it through09:45
BurgundaviaI killed the kubuntu thing09:45
johnlittleah09:45
Burgundaviascreenshot was not ready09:45
Burgundaviaelkbuntu: you think we are good to go?09:45
elkbuntusec..09:45
elkbuntulooks good to me09:46
Burgundaviaok, john, send that email09:47
johnlittlesubject Ubuntu Weekly News #10?09:47
Burgundaviayes09:47
Burgundaviaremeber to kill any signatures09:47
johnlittleBurgundavia: sent09:48
Burgundaviacheers09:49
johnlittlethey can close the mall now09:49
Burgundaviadude, your paste was off09:49
Burgundaviaplease resend09:49
johnlittleeh I checked..what was wrong with it?09:49
Burgundaviacut off at the developer notes09:49
Burgundaviaresend, it might be a mailman issue09:50
johnlittleyeah i see the whole thing in sent email...resending09:50
Burgundavianot seeing it yet09:51
johnlittleresent09:51
BurgundaviaI hope it doesn't get stuck on the back of a slow truck *grin*09:51
Burgundaviaok I see the same error, but I trust you09:52
johnlittleyikes.09:52
elkbuntusure it's not a mail client error?09:52
johnlittleI'm looking at my sent mail again..I show the whole thing09:52
Burgundaviajohnlittle: umm, ick, you sent HTML email, but it did get through09:53
Burgundaviahttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000049.html09:53
Burgundaviawell, that is it for me09:53
Burgundavianight everybody09:53
elkbuntunight Burgundavia09:53
jendawhoa, looks I came just late09:54
Kamping_Kaiserbugger :(09:54
jendaIs there anything to help with left?09:54
elkbuntudont think so...09:54
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jendaMissed this, missed that... the leader of the Czech loco pung me a while ago and now he isn't there. That's what I call being absent from the right place at the right time.09:56
elkbuntudont fret too much jenda. you cant be everywhere all the time09:56
jenda:)09:56
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, :| i think you do enough to be able to miss 1 or 32 things09:56
jendahehe09:56
elkbuntuexactly09:57
Kamping_Kaiser:)09:57
johnlittleoh..one of the benefits associated with sending UWN appears to be getting the out of office replies people send10:00
jendaShouldn't "the Novell team strong showing" be "the Novell team's strong showing" ?10:00
elkbuntueeps.. i didnt notice that :|10:00
jendaI'll do it10:01
elkbuntujust on the wiki, yeah10:01
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jendadone - and is it LinuxWorld Expo or LinuxWorldExpo?10:01
Kamping_Kaiserformer10:02
elkbuntuleave it as the former10:02
jendaKamping_Kaiser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue1010:02
jendaelkbuntu: 'leave it' is relative - it's there twice, each diff10:02
johnlittleLinuxWorld Expo10:02
jendadone10:02
jenda(see contents)10:02
elkbuntuah ok10:02
jenda(err... "In this issue" section)10:02
jenda"both the Ubuntu community and Canonical had a strong showing."10:03
jendaDoes that sound OK to you natives?10:03
elkbuntuyes10:03
johnlittleclose enough10:03
jendaOK10:03
=== jenda was thinking perhaps 'strong presence' or 'attendance'...
elkbuntumeans the same thing10:04
jendaOK10:04
Kamping_Kaiserthe USNs shoudl be dot points surely?10:05
elkbuntualthough showing is like a broader way of saying it.. it goes beyond just people to everything10:05
jenda"due to be in Edgy" vs. "due for Edgy"?10:07
jendaAnd whoa. "Anecdotal evidence suggests an overwhelming number of visitors"10:07
Kamping_Kaiserwhats the context?10:07
jendafor the 'due', the context is GNOME 2.16, due for Edgy10:08
jendaor due to be in Edgy10:08
Kamping_Kaiserdue in edgy10:08
johnlittledue for edgy flows better10:08
johnlittleor in10:09
jendaI think the author of the anectotal evidence part meant to say that from what people said about what they saw, right?10:09
jendaOK, "in" it is10:09
elkbuntueeks.. jenda.. you're giving me a complex here :P10:09
jendaEn either case, he didn't mean 'anecdotal evidence'... or is it 'she'? ;)10:10
jendaTrust me in evidence - I'm studying law :-D10:10
elkbuntudunno who put it in initially10:10
johnlittleCorey10:10
johnlittleI believe10:10
jendaIt's not important, really... I'm trying to think of a better way of saying it, though.10:10
jendaReportedly, ...10:10
jendawould that work?10:10
johnlittleI think anecdotal is better10:11
jendaIt meens a different thing.10:11
Kamping_Kaiserathttp://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15554 (at is part of url)10:11
elkbuntujenda, it's a newsletter, not a legal briefing10:11
johnlittleIt just means that their observation lead them to that conclusion. However, there's no hard scientific data to back it up.10:11
jendaAnecdotal evidence would be "My grandmother was at the booth, and she was using Ubuntu with Gnome... ad you know what? She said her best friend does too"10:12
Kamping_Kaiserelkbuntu, ++10:12
jendaOK, we could just use a layman's terms expression: "From what we heard" or "It seemed to those present"...10:13
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johnlittleanecdotal is used properly IMO10:13
jendaanecdotal evidence involves a story (anecdote) - judges in general according to a specific case. (Windows is not vulnerable to viruses, because my PC never had one. (It also never had an internet connection))10:15
jendaBut that's just me :)10:15
jendaI'll leave it there, teeth screeching.10:15
elkbuntujenda, maybe the story is from corey's point of view.. he noted alot of ubuntu users so it's his anectode?10:17
jendagah :10:17
jenda)10:17
johnlittlehttp://www.bartleby.com/61/41/A0294100.html10:17
johnlittlesee #210:17
elkbuntuok.. we'll leave it now10:17
jendaIt's not used right, I assure you, but then again, if it seems right to 3 out of four of us - and the one is me - it will seem OK to most other people out there, and the rest won't complain.10:18
jendajohnlittle: anecdotal  anecdotal evidence ... so let's change it to anecdotal reports10:18
jendawould you agree?10:19
elkbuntujenda, i think you're taking it too much to heart..10:19
jenda:)10:19
johnlittleNo. I wouldn't change it.10:19
elkbuntuit's already been sent out anyway10:19
jendaaha10:22
jenda:-D10:22
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elkbuntuhehe10:22
jendaI'll come in time, next time... :)10:22
jendaNo, I won't, I'll be away all of next weej.10:23
jendadamn, "week".10:23
jendaNow you all know what keyboard I use.10:23
jendaOr do you... perhaps other keyboards have the j and k next to each other too :)10:23
elkbuntuthe middle row of a US layout keyboard: asdfghjkl;'10:26
johnlittlewhat about dvorak keyboards?10:27
elkbuntuno idea10:27
johnlittleworst invention ever10:27
elkbuntuno, that would be those silly 'no letters on the keys' keyboards10:28
johnlittlelol10:28
Kamping_Kaiseroi, whats wrong with hh keyboard?10:28
jendahehe10:28
elkbuntui need to look at my keyboard to remember where the special chars in my passwords are.. and i've had them for like 5 months now10:28
jendaelkbuntu, johnlittle, I've been using a modded dvorak for over a year, and before I got a keyboard that could switch keycaps around, I used a blank one :-D10:29
jendaBottom row: ;qjkxbmwvz10:29
jendahm10:29
jendaI just got a bit of feedback on UWN10:29
elkbuntuyou're such a geek, jenda :P10:30
johnlittleDang..when you're getting called a geek in a linux IRC room... :D10:30
jendaDid I say "heavily modded"? :-D10:30
jendaAND I'm a non-techie10:30
johnlittleI have robots that type for me10:31
elkbuntutechie != geek10:31
jendaAnyway...10:32
jendaThe Czech LoCo team leader thinks that the UWN should be GPG signed, and should come from a @ubuntu.com adress (this part is just for the image)...10:32
elkbuntuthat's a decent idea10:32
johnlittleYep10:33
Kamping_Kaiserwhy sign it?10:33
johnlittle+1 nerd street cred10:33
jendaYes.10:34
jenda:-D10:34
Kamping_Kaiserright....10:34
johnlittlelol10:34
jendaBTW, he says he just got a job offer from Canonical...10:34
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elkbuntuwell.. integrity is important these days10:34
jendaBut he won't take it - he'll work for Google.10:34
elkbuntuwhat was the job offer?10:34
jendaNot sure10:35
jendaBTW - I'm really REALLY happy with the dvorak. All wrist strains gone, typing is ery quick and easy :)10:36
jendaOTOH, I had to add a second mode switch to have a four layer kbd - since I need Czech and French letters too ( )10:37
jendaWhich leaves a lot of space for useless stuff 10:38
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elkbuntulol10:38
johnlittlehave you used the character palette app in gnome?10:39
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jendaNah, I used xmodmap, with a list of unicode chars on the web somewhere. Useful, if you ask me 10:40
jendaI have most of the Greek  :)10:40
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, you could probablay gte some good smiles out of that10:41
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dsasHi10:42
dsasCould whoever sent out the UWN make sure it fits in 80 characters width or something? I have to horizontal scroll to read all the text.10:43
Kamping_Kaiserwhat mail client are yo uusing o_010:43
johnlittlehttp://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-keyboards-ever/10:43
Kamping_Kaiserbtw. does uwn get sent to a special list? or where?10:44
dsasthunderbird10:44
dsasKamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-news10:44
Kamping_Kaiserah, i'm not on that10:44
jendawhoa10:45
jendamy TB does that too10:45
jendanot good10:45
jendaOK, noted for next time...10:45
Kamping_Kaiserbbl. food :)10:45
jendajohnlittle: if, by any chance, it is you who sends it out next time, don't forget to line-break10:45
johnlittleJenda: I doubt it. I was just filling in for Matthew and following the instructions I had.10:46
johnlittleJenda: But noted...just in case10:47
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johnlittleno idea10:47
dsascan't you have a subpage off of the marketing page that has that and other information about the UWN10:49
elkbuntui think it was more because it was sent out html10:50
elkbuntuplain text usually wraps automatically afaik10:50
jendaIt was?10:51
jendaAnother mistake, IMO...10:51
jendaUWN should be plain text.10:51
jendaBut that's just an opinion.10:51
elkbuntuim not sure john was aware...10:52
dsasI'm surprised that no-one else has pointed out it tbh. There were complaints on sounder when sabdfl started sending html email....10:52
jendaIt's not a problem - but I'm thinking I'll make a UWN editor's policy page somewhere.10:53
dsasI suppose it was only sent out an hour ago. I assume I won't be the first complainee anyway :)10:53
elkbuntujenda, probably a good idea10:53
jenda(And I'll leave it up to the big bosses to decide which of the things we come up with will really be an editor's policy)10:53
elkbuntuthe main thing is to follow nettiquet or however the heck it's spelled10:54
dsasnetiquette ;)10:55
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elkbuntui think xchat has it.. but i probably disabled it..10:56
jendaI would as well10:56
johnlittleMatthew is firing off emails..no word on his dad yet though11:12
jendayep11:13
elkbuntutell him we're all thinking of them11:14
jendayo, folks, please review the first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies12:00
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Nookiehi! is there anywhere where i can get BIG posters or something like that to put in my computershop to show that ubuntu exist??12:01
dsasjenda: I'd swap the line breaks for "always send in plain text"12:02
jendaOK12:02
jendayes, of course ;)12:02
jendaNookie: I'd love to say yes...12:02
jendaBut no, not yet :(12:02
jendaIt is one of the purposes of the proposed SpreadUbuntu project, which I'm in charge of, but we aren't there just yet.12:03
Nookiejenda: hehehe well ill be waiting for them... =) because with such stuff ubuntu will get even more attention =)12:03
jendaYes indeed :)12:10
jendaelkbuntu, johnlittle... https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter12:15
johnlittlelooks good. Although the person sending it may not have an ubuntu.com address12:17
jendaAnd, I'd like to create an ubuntu-marketing project in launchpad, to cluster together the products we have there.12:17
jendaI'm aware of that shortcoming, john...12:18
jendahmm12:18
jendaWell, perhaps it should be sent by someone who does. No offence meant - you'll definitely see me supporting your membership once you candidate :). But for now, if, for example, we have a look at the fridge, only members can become editors.12:19
johnlittleI only sent it this week because I was asked to.12:20
johnlittleI think Corey was just being polite. I wouldn't expect this to happen again.12:25
jendaIt's no problem really :)12:28
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jendaMenZa: have that site anywhere on hand? ;)12:53
jendanvm, gotta run12:53
MenZasure jenda12:54
MenZahttp://um.menza.org12:54
MenZaI still need to implement the counter though12:54
jendaOK, and ya think I could have the source, later on, to fill it up with the required content?12:54
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MenZasure.12:57
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jendaback02:15
jendajohnlittle: ping02:17
jendaelkbuntu: ping02:19
elkbuntujenda, semi-pong02:24
jendasemi-hello02:25
elkbuntuwatchin a tv show.. ad-break at the moment02:25
jendaI was semi-thinking that I could semi-create a launchpad semi-product for the ubuntu-counter.02:25
elkbuntuhmm.. you mean make it semi-official?02:26
jendanah02:26
jendajust give it more of a community interface02:26
jendaWe have products for the other projects02:26
jendahttps://launchpad.net/products/fridge02:26
jendahttps://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-magazine02:26
jendahttps://launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu02:26
jendahttps://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter02:26
jendahttps://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-video02:26
jendaAnd I'd make you the owner there.02:27
Kamping_Kaisernot sure i see ht4 point in a product tbh02:27
jendaht4 point?02:27
jenda:)02:28
jendaIt allows bug reports and specs02:28
Kamping_Kaiser:) the02:28
jendain a unified way for all the stuff we have.02:28
jendaIt's what is used for all other things, such as the main website.02:28
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jendaWhen you fing a mistake on www.ubuntu.com, you report a bug02:29
jendaIf you have a suggestion, you spec it.02:29
jendaSome for ubuntu-counter02:29
elkbuntuhmm..02:29
elkbuntui suppose it's a worthwhile idea.. however.. im a little worried about the 'multiple cook' effect that could arise02:30
elkbuntuafk a few02:30
jendawhat do you mean?02:31
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jendamade it themselves for now02:34
elkbuntuwhat i mean is, i'm worried whether people are going to try put too much meaning into it, and try build it up to the point it loses it's relevance and integrity.02:42
elkbuntui've already had to add button versions for each distrobution on the page because kubuntu people wanted to make a kubuntu version of the whole site, which would end up in splitting the stats and hence ruining their value02:44
elkbuntumaybe im being over-protective, i dont know02:44
Kamping_Kaiseri dont think so02:46
jendaNo, your point is valid02:46
jendaOTOH, launchpad doesn't create _another_ place with info - it links to the relevant places, and when a bug is reported there, you are emailed.02:46
=== Kamping_Kaiser wonders what sort of bug, apart from /'its not kde enough' and 'i want it translated'
elkbuntui do need to add support for translation yet, it is on my to-do list for the site.02:49
jendaSo spec it :)02:49
jendaKamping_Kaiser: typos, for example, or breakages.02:50
Kamping_Kaiserwell those might come as resultsof internationalisatoin, *shrug* as youwill02:51
elkbuntudo you think the counter needs an actual wiki page, rather than just a link from it? im not sure it does personally, just asking02:52
Kamping_Kaiserhow do you get info abouta channel?02:56
jenda/cs info #chan02:56
elkbuntu /cs info #channel02:56
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elkbuntuyou need to look through the various channels chanserv is in02:57
elkbuntuit'll randomly echo the notices to you in one of them02:57
Kamping_Kaiseroh, ok02:58
elkbuntuafaik you can set xchat to make seperate dialogs for services02:58
Kamping_Kaiserit does by default, i turned itoff02:58
elkbuntuthere you go then02:59
Kamping_Kaiserjenda, topic needs updating03:03
Kamping_KaiserUWN 10, not 903:03
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jendait's not locked, KK :)03:04
Kamping_Kaiseroh, ok :)03:04
elkbuntudont you have mode buttons enabled?03:06
Kamping_Kaiserhave whats?03:06
elkbuntulook under 'view'03:06
elkbuntu4th option.. puts little buttons to represent the modes next to the topic bar03:07
jenda:)03:07
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Kamping_Kaiserwell the user mode buttons are useless03:08
elkbuntui dont have them there for their uses.. i have them there for quickly glancing to see if topic is locked or channels moderated :P03:11
Kamping_Kaisernot sure if i'm going to actually get use out of them03:13
elkbuntuthe ban list button is quicker than going all te way to the menu ;)03:27
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MenZaelkbuntu: put the RSS feed information in the meta of the counter :)03:28
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MenZaAnd is it possible for you to make one which only displays users (just a number) and one with machines?03:29
elkbuntuyeah.. i suppose i could do that03:30
elkbuntuMenZa, just the number or in a sentance?03:34
MenZaJust the number :)03:34
elkbuntuMenZa, http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-users.php for users and http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-machines.php for machines03:42
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elkbuntuwb jenda04:10
jendagah, you actually made me get out of bed :)04:11
jendabut thx - got disconected somehow.04:11
elkbuntusorry :(04:11
jendaIt's OK04:14
jendaI was about to get up anyway. 4 PM isn't the right time to sleep :)04:15
elkbuntulol04:24
elkbuntujust having a nap were you?04:24
jendayep04:26
jenda:)04:26
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panickedthumbI want to see too jenda :)04:49
jendanot here ;)04:49
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elkbuntuo.O04:54
jendahehe ;)04:55
jendaamazing what a typo can cause...04:55
jendaI meant #ubuntu-meeting04:55
jendas/ark/e/04:55
elkbuntulol04:57
elkbuntuis there a marketing meeting now?04:58
jendano05:00
jendaI'm working on integrating the ubuntuforums with the rest of the community...05:01
jendawhich includes educating forum staff about the workings.05:01
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jendahello dabear05:02
dabearhi05:02
dabearI'm beginning to have a lot of tabs open now :p05:03
jendaAs long as it's less than 15, you're safe.05:04
dabear12 actually05:04
jendaurgh, I just counted 3005:04
dabearmaybe I should use tree view instead of tabs view in xchat?05:05
jendawhich means 28 channels... but two of those I don't usually hang out in.05:05
jendaYes, it helps a LOT05:05
jenda(BTW, this is strongly OT)05:05
dabearyeah :P05:05
dabearhm, why aren't there any OP's here?05:06
jendathere are05:06
elkbuntufreenode policy to hide05:06
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jenda:-D05:06
elkbuntuw00t05:06
dabearhm.. ho did you do that?05:06
dabearhow*05:07
elkbuntumagic05:07
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jendayup05:07
jendayou need the right scripts, the right access, and the right command05:07
dabearhm, how can you controll chanserv like that?05:07
jendayou need to have the access.05:07
jendaI registered this channel, so I have full access.05:08
jendaand then, even if you don't have any scripts, you can type: /msg chanserv op <nick>05:08
jendaerr...05:08
jenda/msg chanserv op #channel <nick>05:08
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jendalike that :)05:09
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dabear:)05:09
jendaAnd, BTW, #ubuntuforums uses the same system now, dabear.05:09
dabearyeah, okay05:10
dabearhm.. when not OT-ing, what do you guys do on this channel, really?05:10
jendaWe market.05:10
jenda:-D05:10
jendaWell, you might want to see the Marketing Team wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam05:10
dabearoh05:11
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dabearhttp-it please? :P05:11
jendawe take care of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, the Fridge (but there is #ubuntu-fridge), www.ubuntuvideo.com, spreadubuntu and the ubuntu magazine05:11
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elkbuntuand sort of the counter too.. :P05:12
jendadamn05:12
jendaI knew I forgot something :)05:12
jendaSorry :-D05:12
elkbuntuthat's ok05:12
jendaAnd it had to be the one that you, who is watching, created ;)05:12
elkbuntuno need to worry,im not evil or dangerous05:13
elkbuntuwe're also embarking on some research projects too, one involving surveying users05:14
dabearso elks for humans isn't dangerous? *bad taste of humour*05:14
jendaYes, that is a particularly interesting one.05:14
dabeararen't*05:14
elkbuntudabear, not as dangerous as bears are :P05:15
dabearah05:15
elkbuntujenda will testify, i'm fairly harmless05:15
jendaKamping_Kaiser: BTW, the Fridge has reported bugs on it... ;)05:15
jendaDefinitely more harmless than Da bear.05:15
elkbuntuhe's gone to bed almost 2 hours ago now05:15
jendaaha05:18
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jendaPlHL: careful, you seem to be susceptible to D-C-C exploits09:13
MenZaPlHL: your connection is quite fucked.09:21
nixternalheh, port 8001 bud09:21
nixternal!language09:21
nixternal;)09:21
MenZa-marketing :d09:21
MenZaBut yes.09:21
MenZa'scuse me.09:21
MenZaPlHL: that's your punishment for using Cybercity :D09:21
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johnlittlehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-300062003391682940311:53
johnlittlehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=716623533188468022911:55
jendaShpamma-lamma-ding-DONG11:56
jendaIf only sound worked in my firefox :(11:57
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