[01:46] <johnlittle> poningru I've done a couple of sections
[02:55] <rjian> hello people
[03:25] <poningru_> did someone do uwn?
[03:25] <poningru_> frack
[03:27] <poningru> seriously no one?
[04:00] <rjian> good morning
[04:13] <elkbuntu> poningru, johnlittle said he did some on uwn
[04:14] <poningru> yeah but we need to do community news
[04:14] <poningru> but we need more stuff added in
[04:16] <elkbuntu> talk to john about it i guess
[04:17] <poningru> ... elkbuntu oh comeon you can come up with something right?
[04:17] <poningru> johnlittle: ping
[04:18] <elkbuntu> poningru, unfortunately not at the moment. got people coming around in half an hour for a bbq
[04:19] <poningru> :(
[04:19] <poningru> err have fun :)
[04:20] <Madpilot> greetings all
[04:20] <elkbuntu> poningru, i hope so.. maybe this fellow has some ideas
[04:20] <Madpilot> johnlittle, you know you can upload images directly to the wiki?
[04:28] <MenZa> Hey MAdpilot.
[04:28] <MenZa> Madpilot*
[04:30] <Madpilot> hi MenZa
[04:38] <johnlittle> madpilot: I just assumed that I couldn't. I'll go check it out
[04:39] <Madpilot> johnlittle, before you hit the Edit link, look in the dropdown menu to the right of it - one of the options is "Attachments"
[04:39] <johnlittle> cool. thx
[04:43] <johnlittle> I'm changing my UWN stuff now
[04:44] <poningru>  :)
[04:46] <johnlittle> done
[04:46] <johnlittle> madpilot: thx for the tip
[05:00] <Madpilot> np
[06:19] <johnlittle> johnlittle: ping
[06:19] <johnlittle> johnlittle: pong
[06:19] <nixternal> having fun?
[06:19] <johnlittle> lol
[06:19] <johnlittle> I just realized the UWN is  doc team project
[06:20] <nixternal> it was originally...it got changed to a marketing team project for one reason or the other
[06:20] <nixternal> you need to be in with the dev's for a lot of it, and you have to scour the heck out of all the mailing lists
[06:21] <johnlittle> yeah..been contributing where i can
[06:21] <nixternal> i used a feature in kontact, as i subscribe to all the mailing lists pretty much..and i have it create a report for the week of .... and then i have pretty much everything i need
[06:21] <johnlittle> should I edit the wiki then..it says its a doc team project
[06:21] <nixternal> general community news is the easiest...there was linux  world and ubucon this week, so those will be the 2 biggest stories
[06:22] <nixternal> then you need to add the latest edgy releases for each distro, dapper updates for each distro, and meeting minutes for each distro if there are some
[06:22] <nixternal> if there are no minutes, gotta read the #ubuntu-meeting logs and in a way make them yourself...that kinda stinks
[06:23] <nixternal> this week i didn't pay attention to much as the UWN was going to be handled by someone else, so i laid back a little and worked on some doc work and packaging..and now some sleep i think
[06:24] <johnlittle> Whos that someone else?
[06:24] <nixternal> i think matthewrevell, but i could very well be mistaken
[06:24] <johnlittle> right..but he is dealing with his dad
[06:24] <nixternal> thats right
[06:25] <nixternal> forgot about that
[06:25] <nixternal> well then, everyone could chip in
[06:25] <nixternal> hiya MitchM
[06:25] <johnlittle> I've dont three sections so far
[06:25] <johnlittle> done
[06:25] <johnlittle> I can do the general community news too
[06:25] <MitchM> enjoyed the e-mail you sent out to the mailing list nixternal
[06:25] <nixternal> heh, i send out many...which one?
[06:26] <nixternal> i was i bitching in it at all?
[06:26] <MitchM> "Step down considerably"
[06:26] <MitchM> i believe to be the subject
[06:26] <nixternal> thats the john baer one i think
[06:26] <MitchM> oh just stressed some good market points
[06:27] <MitchM> so how's the channel tonight? everyone alive and well?
[06:27] <nixternal> i actually had someone tell me that door-to-door isn't grassroots..i about fell out of my chair at the utter stupidity of the comment...door-to-door is where grassroots originated, before the word technology was even known ;)
[06:28] <nixternal> im just stopping in..i had a very exciting day at the air&water show in chicago
[06:28] <MitchM> ah very nice
[06:28] <nixternal> i got rid of the rest of my ubuntu disks, 200+...handed out who knows how many flyers..gave a speech today at a local university
[06:28] <nixternal> good stuff
[06:29] <MitchM> meh; the poor kid probably thought grassroots meant windows 3.1
[06:29] <MitchM> *nods head in shame*
[06:29] <nixternal> lol
[06:29] <MitchM> oh very nice nixternal...
[06:29] <MitchM> im trying to organize my local lug into another install fest
[06:29] <nixternal> i wanted to setup demo machines..but the electrical union in chicago wouldn't allow it
[06:29] <MitchM> bah...
[06:29] <MitchM> blast them.
[06:29] <nixternal> i have an install fest wednesday i believe
[06:29] <MitchM> expected attendance?
[06:30] <nixternal> i don't know what im going to do..i hope i get another shipment of disks in
[06:30] <nixternal> 100+
[06:30] <MitchM> yeah... we seem to be short on all our disks
[06:31] <nixternal> im hoping to make it strictly ubuntu..but i know the college lug will be there with their gentoo and slackware disks...they tried last time..and only had 15 or so, while me and the other Ubuntu Chicago guy had 80+, including a few women
[06:31] <MitchM> did you happen to see the YouTube video of the Ubuntu cd's being destroyed?
[06:31] <nixternal> ya, i could have used those
[06:31] <nixternal> ;)
[06:31] <MitchM> =) same
[06:31] <Madpilot> MitchM, link me?
[06:31] <MitchM> Oh geeze...
[06:31] <MitchM> let me look :-)
[06:32] <nixternal> lol
[06:32] <johnlittle> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q
[06:32] <MitchM> and there you go.
[06:32] <nixternal> fthat was quick
[06:32] <nixternal> he has it bookmarked
[06:32] <MitchM> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RpoWKpAL9Q (for posterity sake)
[06:32] <nixternal> johnlittle: how come that isn't posted on ubuntuvideo?
[06:32] <nixternal> i mean, that is an ubuntu video
[06:32] <MitchM> lol.
[06:32] <MitchM> typo... bah.
[06:33] <nixternal> you can't only show the positive, gotta show the negative as well
[06:33] <Madpilot> johnlittle, isn't Marketing 101 "There is no such thing as bad PR?" ;)
[06:33] <MitchM> is that a rule?
[06:33] <MitchM> :-)
[06:33] <johnlittle> madpilot: only if youre paris hilton
[06:33] <MitchM> lol.
[06:33] <nixternal> johnlittle: i take it you have seen the vw commercials where the car gets totalled?
[06:33] <MitchM> I was going to say something; but i decided not to
[06:34] <nixternal> there is a message behind it, turn the video into a message
[06:34] <johnlittle> id rather not popularize that activity
[06:34] <MitchM> like.... at the end make a penguin hack him to pieces?
[06:34] <MitchM> i finally understand nixternal...
[06:34] <johnlittle> i can spin it but id rather not highlight it
[06:34] <Madpilot> OK, the dumb laughing in the "soundtrack" of that just makes me snicker
[06:35] <MitchM> agreed
[06:35] <Madpilot> as is the fact that they're using an axe on carpet - their mom is going to ground them all... :)
[06:35] <MitchM> so I was going to buy a loco related domain name "locolinux.com" -- but I really have no purpose for it lol
[06:35] <MitchM> one of those _sweet_ preemptive strikes...
[06:36] <Madpilot> I was going to register "windowsvirusta.com" ;)
[06:36] <MitchM> =)
[06:36] <nixternal> heh, i have free vista cd's coming from msdn
[06:36] <MitchM> locolinux = cool double meaning though
[06:36] <MitchM> crazy for linux
[06:36] <MitchM> + you know
[06:36] <Madpilot> nixternal, you own an axe, right????
[06:36] <nixternal> haha yup
[06:36] <MitchM> lol!
[06:36] <johnlittle> the suse commercials are awesome: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kIKI2piZsWg
[06:36] <MitchM> Now that I _would_ post
[06:37] <nixternal> what self respecting hillbilly wouldn't own an axe ;)
[06:37] <MitchM> *raises hand*
[06:37] <MitchM> but i have a shotgun...
[06:37] <MitchM> that would make a nice twist
[06:38] <MitchM> "boom goes windows"
[06:38] <Madpilot> MitchM, shotgun + Vista CDs... obvious, really ;)
[06:38] <MitchM> lol.
[06:38] <Madpilot> "Shooting out windows"
[06:38] <nixternal> oh, i have plenty of firearms now...im a gun toting 20+ year nra member ;)
[06:38] <nixternal> haha
[06:38] <nixternal> Vista Skeet Shooting
[06:38] <MitchM> lol
[06:38] <MitchM> I like that idea
[06:39] <MitchM> My company subscribes to the windows action-pack
[06:39] <nixternal> the ubuntu dolls video is still kickin' butt
[06:39] <MitchM> if nothing else all our cd's have "microshaft" on them...
[06:39] <MitchM> hands*
[06:40] <johnlittle> windows smash: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JtHDkM9JhM
[06:41] <MitchM> well
[06:42] <MitchM> not what I was expecting
[06:42] <MitchM> but still pleasing to the eyes
[06:45] <MitchM> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BON5nd8Fg
[06:53] <Madpilot> short & strange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bfLmkwHkA
[06:54] <Madpilot> nixternal, is that ^^^ the 'Ubuntu dolls' video you meant, or is there another one?
[07:15] <Madpilot> johnlittle, tomboy's actually already been covered in UWN - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue2
[07:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: tomboy as default part of the desktop is new
[07:15] <Madpilot> tru
[07:15] <Madpilot> true, even
[07:15] <Burgundavia> so you can briefly say it is and then link back
[07:16] <johnlittle> ok I'll kill it
[07:16] <Burgundavia> no, don't kill the whole section
[07:17] <johnlittle> I wasn't suggesting that..I'll do something else
[07:17] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[07:22] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: are you working on the weekly news?
[07:24] <johnlittle> burgundavia: I'm working on Ubuntu Video but was going to edit UWN in a few minutes
[07:24] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:24] <Burgundavia> I am going to work on it later tonight
[07:24] <johnlittle> I've add three sections but need to edit the tomboy part
[07:24] <johnlittle> added
[07:25] <johnlittle> was about to add the golden penguin story but it was added to the fridge as I was working on it
[07:38] <johnlittle> Roblimo has given me permission to deep link his videos on linux.com and other sites so I'm working up a special page for folks without Flash
[07:38] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/linux_com_ubuntu_videos
[07:38] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:09] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I'm done with UWN if that deskbar writeup works for you
[08:10] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Hrm lemme edit photo..nm
[08:12] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: ok, I will start editing and hopefully we can get this out
[08:13] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I need about 2 minutes
[08:13] <Burgundavia> ok, will wait
[08:18] <elkbuntu> good to see some life in here today :)
[08:18] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:18] <Burgundavia> hey elkbuntu
[08:19] <Burgundavia> I had a question for you, but I forgot what it was :(
[08:19] <elkbuntu> about the counter or the surveys?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> maybe the former
[08:20] <Burgundavia> the survey stuff should be combined with the /mystory stuff
[08:20] <Burgundavia> I have been speaking with Chris Kenyon here (he was at Ubucon)
[08:20] <elkbuntu> after the results are in, you mean?
[08:20] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:20] <Burgundavia> anyway, chat with him
[08:22] <elkbuntu> yeah, i am anticipating that the MarketingTeam/Research page can act as a hub for anyone to go to to get research information and stuff.. it's only young yet. andreas' other survey stuff is linked from there also
[08:23] <elkbuntu> i think maybe once it's established we might move it to just /Research or something also
[08:27] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Done. sry about the delay.
[08:27] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:29] <elkbuntu> speaking of chris.. anyone know what the winning tshirt design was?
[08:29] <Burgundavia> no idea
[08:30] <elkbuntu> i havent heard/noticed anything since.. and it's been 11 days since the deadline :|
[08:30] <poningru> Burgundavia!!
[08:32] <Burgundavia> hey poningru
[08:32] <Burgundavia> ok, lets get this UWN out
[08:36] <poningru> so sorry about this /me was working on something for wikipedia
[08:37] <Burgundavia> no worries
[08:37] <Burgundavia> I am working on it now
[08:39] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Done. I forgot to add a sentence about adding deskbar to a panel. I can do that quickly once you've made your edits
[08:39] <poningru> Burgundavia: are you working on expo stuff?
[08:40] <Burgundavia> LWE? I was
[08:40] <Burgundavia> gnome booth, not Ubuntu one
[08:40] <poningru> Burgundavia: no talking about putting brief para about the expo in the UWN
[08:41] <johnlittle> the suse stuff is hilarious...poor guys
[08:41] <poningru> hehe yeah
[08:46] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: all yours
[08:47] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: yay
[08:47] <johnlittle> ;)
[08:48] <Burgundavia> let me know when you are finished, I will get this thing finished and out the door
[08:49] <elkbuntu> anyone know how matthewrevell and his father are?
[08:49] <Burgundavia> no, what was the issue?
[08:49] <elkbuntu> not really sure. he was waiting on test results the other day
[08:49] <elkbuntu> so sounds sort of evilly serious :(
[08:49] <Burgundavia> hmm, that is too bad
[08:50] <elkbuntu> yeah, cant help but to feel bad for them
[08:51] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[08:52] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: done
[08:52] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: please feel to proof it while I search for further content
[08:53] <elkbuntu> whats the url?
[08:53] <johnlittle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[08:53] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[08:53] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: hah, beat you ;)
[08:53] <elkbuntu> wow, nice synchronisation there
[08:53] <johnlittle> lol
[08:53] <elkbuntu> youse both got to me at the same second
[08:55] <elkbuntu> want me to edit out the errors, or write em down?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: edit them out
[08:55] <Burgundavia> I am currently in content searching mode, not creation
[08:56] <johnlittle> I'm in error creation mode ;)
[08:56] <Burgundavia> right
[08:56] <Burgundavia> I am perpetualy in that mode
[08:56] <elkbuntu> woohoo. finally loaded the edit page
[08:58] <Burgundavia> nixternal: UWN. got any content?
[08:58] <elkbuntu> hmm.. does: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger with Canonical's Malcolm Yates  sound better than: Jorge Castro and Corey Burger and Canonical's Malcolm Yates   ?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> is that not the same?
[08:58] <poningru> yeah
[08:58] <Burgundavia> yes, lots of ands are bad
[08:58] <Burgundavia> change as needed
[08:59] <poningru> elkbuntu: can we not go: Jorge, corey and canon's malcom
[08:59] <Madpilot> elkbuntu, drop the first 'and', just use a comma
[08:59] <johnlittle> dont forget to add names to the credits
[08:59] <poningru> what he said ^^^
[08:59] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, ok.. i barely passed english in highschool.. so im a bit cautious about jumping in on some things ;)
[09:00] <Madpilot> heh. English was the one course in high school I consistently did well in :)
[09:00] <poningru> elkbuntu: hehe me too, I only took one english course in college
[09:01] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, our exam was absolutely pathetic.. 'compare the symbols of light and dark between MacBeth and The Year of Living Dangerously'
[09:01] <poningru> I want to add couple of lines to each wiki page
[09:01] <poningru> err hold on
[09:02] <Madpilot> poningru, change the template for every page, you mean?
[09:02] <jenda> I'll be right with you to help out (if still possible)
[09:02] <jenda> Just got up.
[09:02] <poningru> Madpilot: sure
[09:02] <poningru> Madpilot: well yes and not
[09:02] <poningru> hold on i want to apply this patch to our wiki
[09:03] <poningru> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/Skin.php?r1=15930&r2=16137&sortby=date
[09:03] <poningru> grr wtf
[09:03] <poningru> ok well he didnt do that patch correctly
[09:04] <poningru> but basically I want to add that
[09:04] <Burgundavia> poningru: we use moinmoin
[09:04] <poningru> getting ready for firefox 2.0 ;)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> right
[09:04] <poningru> oh
[09:04] <Burgundavia> anyway, who is currently editing? elkbuntu or poningru?
[09:04] <elkbuntu> i am.. slowly
[09:04] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[09:06] <johnlittle> She's renaming it Elbuntu's Weekly News
[09:06] <johnlittle> grr I'm buying a new keyboard in the morning
[09:08] <poningru> johnlittle: /me has a bunch lying around you can have one if you find a way to get it to you
[09:08] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, lol
[09:10] <johnlittle> poningru: thx..i have some corded ones in the closet but I'm going to go replace this wireless one with an upgraded model
[09:10] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping me when you are done
[09:10] <poningru> johnlittle: spoiled :p
[09:10] <johnlittle> lol
[09:11] <johnlittle> well i should be spending my money on women and beer tonight but I'm working on UWN..that alone is enough savings for a keyboard
[09:11] <elkbuntu> just hit save, Burgundavia
[09:12] <elkbuntu> so give the darn thing a few seconds to compute ;)
[09:12] <johnlittle> er minutes you mean
[09:13] <elkbuntu> basically just re-worded the first community news to flow a bit better
[09:13] <Burgundavia> ok, added new sections
[09:13] <elkbuntu> feel free to undo it all ;)
[09:13] <johnlittle> Corey and Melissa need to be added to the credits
[09:14] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:14] <elkbuntu> all i did was change words around...
[09:14] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: what is your last name?
[09:14] <elkbuntu> Draper
[09:14] <Burgundavia> added
[09:15] <Burgundavia> ok, what else do we need?
[09:15] <elkbuntu> ugh, i feel dirty.. just booted the laptop into 'the other OS' to refresh myself in the workings of the opencd :|
[09:15] <johnlittle> bad elk
[09:15] <elkbuntu> i sort of need refreshing before i try pimp it on sfd :P
[09:16] <johnlittle> Anything for the bug stats?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> right, will do that
[09:19] <poningru> elkbuntu: uh... you were kidding right?
[09:19] <poningru> draper I mean
[09:19] <poningru> elkbuntu: let me know if you need help with the opencd
[09:20] <Burgundavia> bug information added
[09:20] <johnlittle> nice
[09:21] <elkbuntu> poningru, i dont need help, i just need to refresh myself with what is where so i dont fumble and look like a moron
[09:22] <elkbuntu> poningru, and... what do you mean am i kidding about my surname?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> ok, need another round of feedback
[09:25] <Burgundavia> I think we are ready to print
[09:26] <elkbuntu> gimme a few to skim over the new bits
[09:27] <poningru> Burgundavia: where do you get the bug information?
[09:27] <poningru> not the security...
[09:28] <Burgundavia> lp
[09:28] <poningru> oh.. didnt know it had that capabliity
[09:28] <johnlittle> should the new apps in edgy be bulleted?
[09:29] <Burgundavia> it is very basic
[09:29] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:29] <johnlittle> it's kind of hard to read
[09:29] <Burgundavia> oh, right, that is a bug
[09:29] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you still editing?
[09:30] <elkbuntu> almost done
[09:30] <Burgundavia> we need to do this stuff in gobby
[09:30] <poningru> gobby?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> I will setup a gobby session on my server when I get home, to deal with it
[09:30] <Burgundavia> collaborative editor
[09:30] <poningru> woah
[09:31] <Burgundavia> allows us all to edit at the same time
[09:31] <elkbuntu> ok... i've hit save.. i keep forgetting to hit 'trivial change' to avoid spamming people :|
[09:31] <johnlittle> heh you can see Automatix in the screenshot for deskbar..should I redo it or does it matter?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> not really
[09:32] <johnlittle> good
[09:32] <rjian> hello people
[09:33] <johnlittle> hello person
[09:33] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, is there any more to be added or is it ready to roll?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> pretty much ready to roll
[09:33] <elkbuntu> :)
[09:33] <johnlittle> roll away
[09:33] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you want to honours to send it this week?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> I will tell you when
[09:34] <Burgundavia> I am going minor wording edits
[09:34] <elkbuntu> probably undoing the edits i did :P
[09:34] <johnlittle> Burgundavia - How is it sent?
[09:34] <elkbuntu> johnlittle, got a dinner bell to ring?
[09:35] <johnlittle> lol
[09:35] <elkbuntu> "Come n' get it!"
[09:35] <Burgundavia> pretty much you copy the raw code and send it to ubuntu-news
[09:35] <Burgundavia> let me do a final edit and then we are good to go
[09:37] <rjian> Burgundavia: Do u have anysuggestion?? I will be conducting FOSS conference on my place this comming september...
[09:37] <Burgundavia> hmm, not really in a place to help you right now
[09:37] <Burgundavia> In a mall with free wifi and I need to get UWN out before it closes
[09:39] <rjian> hmmm
[09:39] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: can you edit the news template to be the same as the #9 (mostly the footer about being a marketing team effort)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: sorry, to be clear, just change the footer
[09:39] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu, johnlittle: final changes?
[09:40] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: No changes here
[09:40] <Burgundavia> ok, adding toc
[09:41] <rjian> hmmm maybe after may documentation i can participat here.. hehehe
[09:43] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: template edited
[09:43] <Burgundavia> thanks
[09:44] <Burgundavia> final final sanity check
[09:44] <johnlittle> image missing on the kubuntu post?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: you need to copy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10?action=raw to an email and email it to ubuntu-news@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I will approve it through
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I killed the kubuntu thing
[09:45] <johnlittle> ah
[09:45] <Burgundavia> screenshot was not ready
[09:45] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you think we are good to go?
[09:45] <elkbuntu> sec..
[09:46] <elkbuntu> looks good to me
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ok, john, send that email
[09:47] <johnlittle> subject Ubuntu Weekly News #10?
[09:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:47] <Burgundavia> remeber to kill any signatures
[09:48] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: sent
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cheers
[09:49] <johnlittle> they can close the mall now
[09:49] <Burgundavia> dude, your paste was off
[09:49] <Burgundavia> please resend
[09:49] <johnlittle> eh I checked..what was wrong with it?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cut off at the developer notes
[09:50] <Burgundavia> resend, it might be a mailman issue
[09:50] <johnlittle> yeah i see the whole thing in sent email...resending
[09:51] <Burgundavia> not seeing it yet
[09:51] <johnlittle> resent
[09:51] <Burgundavia> I hope it doesn't get stuck on the back of a slow truck *grin*
[09:52] <Burgundavia> ok I see the same error, but I trust you
[09:52] <johnlittle> yikes.
[09:52] <elkbuntu> sure it's not a mail client error?
[09:52] <johnlittle> I'm looking at my sent mail again..I show the whole thing
[09:53] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: umm, ick, you sent HTML email, but it did get through
[09:53] <Burgundavia> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000049.html
[09:53] <Burgundavia> well, that is it for me
[09:53] <Burgundavia> night everybody
[09:53] <elkbuntu> night Burgundavia
[09:54] <jenda> whoa, looks I came just late
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger :(
[09:54] <jenda> Is there anything to help with left?
[09:54] <elkbuntu> dont think so...
[09:56] <jenda> Missed this, missed that... the leader of the Czech loco pung me a while ago and now he isn't there. That's what I call being absent from the right place at the right time.
[09:56] <elkbuntu> dont fret too much jenda. you cant be everywhere all the time
[09:56] <jenda> :)
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, :| i think you do enough to be able to miss 1 or 32 things
[09:56] <jenda> hehe
[09:57] <elkbuntu> exactly
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:00] <johnlittle> oh..one of the benefits associated with sending UWN appears to be getting the out of office replies people send
[10:00] <jenda> Shouldn't "the Novell team strong showing" be "the Novell team's strong showing" ?
[10:00] <elkbuntu> eeps.. i didnt notice that :|
[10:01] <jenda> I'll do it
[10:01] <elkbuntu> just on the wiki, yeah
[10:01] <jenda> done - and is it LinuxWorld Expo or LinuxWorldExpo?
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> former
[10:02] <elkbuntu> leave it as the former
[10:02] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue10
[10:02] <jenda> elkbuntu: 'leave it' is relative - it's there twice, each diff
[10:02] <johnlittle> LinuxWorld Expo
[10:02] <jenda> done
[10:02] <jenda> (see contents)
[10:02] <elkbuntu> ah ok
[10:02] <jenda> (err... "In this issue" section)
[10:03] <jenda> "both the Ubuntu community and Canonical had a strong showing."
[10:03] <jenda> Does that sound OK to you natives?
[10:03] <elkbuntu> yes
[10:03] <johnlittle> close enough
[10:03] <jenda> OK
[10:04] <elkbuntu> means the same thing
[10:04] <jenda> OK
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> the USNs shoudl be dot points surely?
[10:05] <elkbuntu> although showing is like a broader way of saying it.. it goes beyond just people to everything
[10:07] <jenda> "due to be in Edgy" vs. "due for Edgy"?
[10:07] <jenda> And whoa. "Anecdotal evidence suggests an overwhelming number of visitors"
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the context?
[10:08] <jenda> for the 'due', the context is GNOME 2.16, due for Edgy
[10:08] <jenda> or due to be in Edgy
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> due in edgy
[10:08] <johnlittle> due for edgy flows better
[10:09] <johnlittle> or in
[10:09] <jenda> I think the author of the anectotal evidence part meant to say that from what people said about what they saw, right?
[10:09] <jenda> OK, "in" it is
[10:09] <elkbuntu> eeks.. jenda.. you're giving me a complex here :P
[10:10] <jenda> En either case, he didn't mean 'anecdotal evidence'... or is it 'she'? ;)
[10:10] <jenda> Trust me in evidence - I'm studying law :-D
[10:10] <elkbuntu> dunno who put it in initially
[10:10] <johnlittle> Corey
[10:10] <johnlittle> I believe
[10:10] <jenda> It's not important, really... I'm trying to think of a better way of saying it, though.
[10:10] <jenda> Reportedly, ...
[10:10] <jenda> would that work?
[10:11] <johnlittle> I think anecdotal is better
[10:11] <jenda> It meens a different thing.
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> athttp://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=15554 (at is part of url)
[10:11] <elkbuntu> jenda, it's a newsletter, not a legal briefing
[10:11] <johnlittle> It just means that their observation lead them to that conclusion. However, there's no hard scientific data to back it up.
[10:12] <jenda> Anecdotal evidence would be "My grandmother was at the booth, and she was using Ubuntu with Gnome... ad you know what? She said her best friend does too"
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, ++
[10:13] <jenda> OK, we could just use a layman's terms expression: "From what we heard" or "It seemed to those present"...
[10:13] <johnlittle> anecdotal is used properly IMO
[10:15] <jenda> anecdotal evidence involves a story (anecdote) - judges in general according to a specific case. (Windows is not vulnerable to viruses, because my PC never had one. (It also never had an internet connection))
[10:15] <jenda> But that's just me :)
[10:15] <jenda> I'll leave it there, teeth screeching.
[10:17] <elkbuntu> jenda, maybe the story is from corey's point of view.. he noted alot of ubuntu users so it's his anectode?
[10:17] <jenda> gah :
[10:17] <jenda> )
[10:17] <johnlittle> http://www.bartleby.com/61/41/A0294100.html
[10:17] <johnlittle> see #2
[10:17] <elkbuntu> ok.. we'll leave it now
[10:18] <jenda> It's not used right, I assure you, but then again, if it seems right to 3 out of four of us - and the one is me - it will seem OK to most other people out there, and the rest won't complain.
[10:18] <jenda> johnlittle: anecdotal  anecdotal evidence ... so let's change it to anecdotal reports
[10:19] <jenda> would you agree?
[10:19] <elkbuntu> jenda, i think you're taking it too much to heart..
[10:19] <jenda> :)
[10:19] <johnlittle> No. I wouldn't change it.
[10:19] <elkbuntu> it's already been sent out anyway
[10:22] <jenda> aha
[10:22] <jenda> :-D
[10:22] <elkbuntu> hehe
[10:22] <jenda> I'll come in time, next time... :)
[10:23] <jenda> No, I won't, I'll be away all of next weej.
[10:23] <jenda> damn, "week".
[10:23] <jenda> Now you all know what keyboard I use.
[10:23] <jenda> Or do you... perhaps other keyboards have the j and k next to each other too :)
[10:26] <elkbuntu> the middle row of a US layout keyboard: asdfghjkl;'
[10:27] <johnlittle> what about dvorak keyboards?
[10:27] <elkbuntu> no idea
[10:27] <johnlittle> worst invention ever
[10:28] <elkbuntu> no, that would be those silly 'no letters on the keys' keyboards
[10:28] <johnlittle> lol
[10:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> oi, whats wrong with hh keyboard?
[10:28] <jenda> hehe
[10:28] <elkbuntu> i need to look at my keyboard to remember where the special chars in my passwords are.. and i've had them for like 5 months now
[10:29] <jenda> elkbuntu, johnlittle, I've been using a modded dvorak for over a year, and before I got a keyboard that could switch keycaps around, I used a blank one :-D
[10:29] <jenda> Bottom row: ;qjkxbmwvz
[10:29] <jenda> hm
[10:29] <jenda> I just got a bit of feedback on UWN
[10:30] <elkbuntu> you're such a geek, jenda :P
[10:30] <johnlittle> Dang..when you're getting called a geek in a linux IRC room... :D
[10:30] <jenda> Did I say "heavily modded"? :-D
[10:30] <jenda> AND I'm a non-techie
[10:31] <johnlittle> I have robots that type for me
[10:31] <elkbuntu> techie != geek
[10:32] <jenda> Anyway...
[10:32] <jenda> The Czech LoCo team leader thinks that the UWN should be GPG signed, and should come from a @ubuntu.com adress (this part is just for the image)...
[10:32] <elkbuntu> that's a decent idea
[10:33] <johnlittle> Yep
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> why sign it?
[10:33] <johnlittle> +1 nerd street cred
[10:34] <jenda> Yes.
[10:34] <jenda> :-D
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> right....
[10:34] <johnlittle> lol
[10:34] <jenda> BTW, he says he just got a job offer from Canonical...
[10:34] <elkbuntu> well.. integrity is important these days
[10:34] <jenda> But he won't take it - he'll work for Google.
[10:34] <elkbuntu> what was the job offer?
[10:35] <jenda> Not sure
[10:36] <jenda> BTW - I'm really REALLY happy with the dvorak. All wrist strains gone, typing is ery quick and easy :)
[10:37] <jenda> OTOH, I had to add a second mode switch to have a four layer kbd - since I need Czech and French letters too ( )
[10:38] <jenda> Which leaves a lot of space for useless stuff 
[10:38] <elkbuntu> lol
[10:39] <johnlittle> have you used the character palette app in gnome?
[10:40] <jenda> Nah, I used xmodmap, with a list of unicode chars on the web somewhere. Useful, if you ask me 
[10:40] <jenda> I have most of the Greek  :)
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, you could probablay gte some good smiles out of that
[10:42] <dsas> Hi
[10:43] <dsas> Could whoever sent out the UWN make sure it fits in 80 characters width or something? I have to horizontal scroll to read all the text.
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> what mail client are yo uusing o_0
[10:43] <johnlittle> http://gadgets.fosfor.se/the-top-10-weirdest-keyboards-ever/
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw. does uwn get sent to a special list? or where?
[10:44] <dsas> thunderbird
[10:44] <dsas> Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-news
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, i'm not on that
[10:45] <jenda> whoa
[10:45] <jenda> my TB does that too
[10:45] <jenda> not good
[10:45] <jenda> OK, noted for next time...
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. food :)
[10:45] <jenda> johnlittle: if, by any chance, it is you who sends it out next time, don't forget to line-break
[10:46] <johnlittle> Jenda: I doubt it. I was just filling in for Matthew and following the instructions I had.
[10:47] <johnlittle> Jenda: But noted...just in case
[10:47] <johnlittle> no idea
[10:49] <dsas> can't you have a subpage off of the marketing page that has that and other information about the UWN
[10:50] <elkbuntu> i think it was more because it was sent out html
[10:50] <elkbuntu> plain text usually wraps automatically afaik
[10:51] <jenda> It was?
[10:51] <jenda> Another mistake, IMO...
[10:51] <jenda> UWN should be plain text.
[10:51] <jenda> But that's just an opinion.
[10:52] <elkbuntu> im not sure john was aware...
[10:52] <dsas> I'm surprised that no-one else has pointed out it tbh. There were complaints on sounder when sabdfl started sending html email....
[10:53] <jenda> It's not a problem - but I'm thinking I'll make a UWN editor's policy page somewhere.
[10:53] <dsas> I suppose it was only sent out an hour ago. I assume I won't be the first complainee anyway :)
[10:53] <elkbuntu> jenda, probably a good idea
[10:53] <jenda> (And I'll leave it up to the big bosses to decide which of the things we come up with will really be an editor's policy)
[10:54] <elkbuntu> the main thing is to follow nettiquet or however the heck it's spelled
[10:55] <dsas> netiquette ;)
[10:56] <elkbuntu> i think xchat has it.. but i probably disabled it..
[10:56] <jenda> I would as well
[11:12] <johnlittle> Matthew is firing off emails..no word on his dad yet though
[11:13] <jenda> yep
[11:14] <elkbuntu> tell him we're all thinking of them
[12:00] <jenda> yo, folks, please review the first draft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[12:01] <Nookie> hi! is there anywhere where i can get BIG posters or something like that to put in my computershop to show that ubuntu exist??
[12:02] <dsas> jenda: I'd swap the line breaks for "always send in plain text"
[12:02] <jenda> OK
[12:02] <jenda> yes, of course ;)
[12:02] <jenda> Nookie: I'd love to say yes...
[12:02] <jenda> But no, not yet :(
[12:03] <jenda> It is one of the purposes of the proposed SpreadUbuntu project, which I'm in charge of, but we aren't there just yet.
[12:03] <Nookie> jenda: hehehe well ill be waiting for them... =) because with such stuff ubuntu will get even more attention =)
[12:10] <jenda> Yes indeed :)
[12:15] <jenda> elkbuntu, johnlittle... https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter
[12:17] <johnlittle> looks good. Although the person sending it may not have an ubuntu.com address
[12:17] <jenda> And, I'd like to create an ubuntu-marketing project in launchpad, to cluster together the products we have there.
[12:18] <jenda> I'm aware of that shortcoming, john...
[12:18] <jenda> hmm
[12:19] <jenda> Well, perhaps it should be sent by someone who does. No offence meant - you'll definitely see me supporting your membership once you candidate :). But for now, if, for example, we have a look at the fridge, only members can become editors.
[12:20] <johnlittle> I only sent it this week because I was asked to.
[12:25] <johnlittle> I think Corey was just being polite. I wouldn't expect this to happen again.
[12:28] <jenda> It's no problem really :)
[12:53] <jenda> MenZa: have that site anywhere on hand? ;)
[12:53] <jenda> nvm, gotta run
[12:54] <MenZa> sure jenda
[12:54] <MenZa> http://um.menza.org
[12:54] <MenZa> I still need to implement the counter though
[12:54] <jenda> OK, and ya think I could have the source, later on, to fill it up with the required content?
[12:57] <MenZa> sure.
[02:15] <jenda> back
[02:17] <jenda> johnlittle: ping
[02:19] <jenda> elkbuntu: ping
[02:24] <elkbuntu> jenda, semi-pong
[02:25] <jenda> semi-hello
[02:25] <elkbuntu> watchin a tv show.. ad-break at the moment
[02:25] <jenda> I was semi-thinking that I could semi-create a launchpad semi-product for the ubuntu-counter.
[02:26] <elkbuntu> hmm.. you mean make it semi-official?
[02:26] <jenda> nah
[02:26] <jenda> just give it more of a community interface
[02:26] <jenda> We have products for the other projects
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/fridge
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-magazine
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/spreadubuntu
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter
[02:26] <jenda> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-video
[02:27] <jenda> And I'd make you the owner there.
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure i see ht4 point in a product tbh
[02:27] <jenda> ht4 point?
[02:28] <jenda> :)
[02:28] <jenda> It allows bug reports and specs
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) the
[02:28] <jenda> in a unified way for all the stuff we have.
[02:28] <jenda> It's what is used for all other things, such as the main website.
[02:29] <jenda> When you fing a mistake on www.ubuntu.com, you report a bug
[02:29] <jenda> If you have a suggestion, you spec it.
[02:29] <jenda> Some for ubuntu-counter
[02:29] <elkbuntu> hmm..
[02:30] <elkbuntu> i suppose it's a worthwhile idea.. however.. im a little worried about the 'multiple cook' effect that could arise
[02:30] <elkbuntu> afk a few
[02:31] <jenda> what do you mean?
[02:34] <jenda> made it themselves for now
[02:42] <elkbuntu> what i mean is, i'm worried whether people are going to try put too much meaning into it, and try build it up to the point it loses it's relevance and integrity.
[02:44] <elkbuntu> i've already had to add button versions for each distrobution on the page because kubuntu people wanted to make a kubuntu version of the whole site, which would end up in splitting the stats and hence ruining their value
[02:44] <elkbuntu> maybe im being over-protective, i dont know
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont think so
[02:46] <jenda> No, your point is valid
[02:46] <jenda> OTOH, launchpad doesn't create _another_ place with info - it links to the relevant places, and when a bug is reported there, you are emailed.
[02:49] <elkbuntu> i do need to add support for translation yet, it is on my to-do list for the site.
[02:49] <jenda> So spec it :)
[02:50] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: typos, for example, or breakages.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> well those might come as resultsof internationalisatoin, *shrug* as youwill
[02:52] <elkbuntu> do you think the counter needs an actual wiki page, rather than just a link from it? im not sure it does personally, just asking
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you get info abouta channel?
[02:56] <jenda> /cs info #chan
[02:56] <elkbuntu>  /cs info #channel
[02:57] <elkbuntu> you need to look through the various channels chanserv is in
[02:57] <elkbuntu> it'll randomly echo the notices to you in one of them
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok
[02:58] <elkbuntu> afaik you can set xchat to make seperate dialogs for services
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does by default, i turned itoff
[02:59] <elkbuntu> there you go then
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, topic needs updating
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> UWN 10, not 9
[03:04] <jenda> it's not locked, KK :)
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok :)
[03:06] <elkbuntu> dont you have mode buttons enabled?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> have whats?
[03:06] <elkbuntu> look under 'view'
[03:07] <elkbuntu> 4th option.. puts little buttons to represent the modes next to the topic bar
[03:07] <jenda> :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> well the user mode buttons are useless
[03:11] <elkbuntu> i dont have them there for their uses.. i have them there for quickly glancing to see if topic is locked or channels moderated :P
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if i'm going to actually get use out of them
[03:27] <elkbuntu> the ban list button is quicker than going all te way to the menu ;)
[03:28] <MenZa> elkbuntu: put the RSS feed information in the meta of the counter :)
[03:29] <MenZa> And is it possible for you to make one which only displays users (just a number) and one with machines?
[03:30] <elkbuntu> yeah.. i suppose i could do that
[03:34] <elkbuntu> MenZa, just the number or in a sentance?
[03:34] <MenZa> Just the number :)
[03:42] <elkbuntu> MenZa, http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-users.php for users and http://ubuntucounter.org/rss-machines.php for machines
[04:10] <elkbuntu> wb jenda
[04:11] <jenda> gah, you actually made me get out of bed :)
[04:11] <jenda> but thx - got disconected somehow.
[04:11] <elkbuntu> sorry :(
[04:14] <jenda> It's OK
[04:15] <jenda> I was about to get up anyway. 4 PM isn't the right time to sleep :)
[04:24] <elkbuntu> lol
[04:24] <elkbuntu> just having a nap were you?
[04:26] <jenda> yep
[04:26] <jenda> :)
[04:49] <panickedthumb> I want to see too jenda :)
[04:49] <jenda> not here ;)
[04:54] <elkbuntu> o.O
[04:55] <jenda> hehe ;)
[04:55] <jenda> amazing what a typo can cause...
[04:55] <jenda> I meant #ubuntu-meeting
[04:55] <jenda> s/ark/e/
[04:57] <elkbuntu> lol
[04:58] <elkbuntu> is there a marketing meeting now?
[05:00] <jenda> no
[05:01] <jenda> I'm working on integrating the ubuntuforums with the rest of the community...
[05:01] <jenda> which includes educating forum staff about the workings.
[05:02] <jenda> hello dabear
[05:02] <dabear> hi
[05:03] <dabear> I'm beginning to have a lot of tabs open now :p
[05:04] <jenda> As long as it's less than 15, you're safe.
[05:04] <dabear> 12 actually
[05:04] <jenda> urgh, I just counted 30
[05:05] <dabear> maybe I should use tree view instead of tabs view in xchat?
[05:05] <jenda> which means 28 channels... but two of those I don't usually hang out in.
[05:05] <jenda> Yes, it helps a LOT
[05:05] <jenda> (BTW, this is strongly OT)
[05:05] <dabear> yeah :P
[05:06] <dabear> hm, why aren't there any OP's here?
[05:06] <jenda> there are
[05:06] <elkbuntu> freenode policy to hide
[05:06] <jenda> :-D
[05:06] <elkbuntu> w00t
[05:06] <dabear> hm.. ho did you do that?
[05:07] <dabear> how*
[05:07] <elkbuntu> magic
[05:07] <jenda> yup
[05:07] <jenda> you need the right scripts, the right access, and the right command
[05:07] <dabear> hm, how can you controll chanserv like that?
[05:07] <jenda> you need to have the access.
[05:08] <jenda> I registered this channel, so I have full access.
[05:08] <jenda> and then, even if you don't have any scripts, you can type: /msg chanserv op <nick>
[05:08] <jenda> err...
[05:08] <jenda> /msg chanserv op #channel <nick>
[05:09] <jenda> like that :)
[05:09] <dabear> :)
[05:09] <jenda> And, BTW, #ubuntuforums uses the same system now, dabear.
[05:10] <dabear> yeah, okay
[05:10] <dabear> hm.. when not OT-ing, what do you guys do on this channel, really?
[05:10] <jenda> We market.
[05:10] <jenda> :-D
[05:10] <jenda> Well, you might want to see the Marketing Team wiki: wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[05:11] <dabear> oh
[05:11] <dabear> http-it please? :P
[05:11] <jenda> we take care of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, the Fridge (but there is #ubuntu-fridge), www.ubuntuvideo.com, spreadubuntu and the ubuntu magazine
[05:12] <elkbuntu> and sort of the counter too.. :P
[05:12] <jenda> damn
[05:12] <jenda> I knew I forgot something :)
[05:12] <jenda> Sorry :-D
[05:12] <elkbuntu> that's ok
[05:12] <jenda> And it had to be the one that you, who is watching, created ;)
[05:13] <elkbuntu> no need to worry,im not evil or dangerous
[05:14] <elkbuntu> we're also embarking on some research projects too, one involving surveying users
[05:14] <dabear> so elks for humans isn't dangerous? *bad taste of humour*
[05:14] <jenda> Yes, that is a particularly interesting one.
[05:14] <dabear> aren't*
[05:15] <elkbuntu> dabear, not as dangerous as bears are :P
[05:15] <dabear> ah
[05:15] <elkbuntu> jenda will testify, i'm fairly harmless
[05:15] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: BTW, the Fridge has reported bugs on it... ;)
[05:15] <jenda> Definitely more harmless than Da bear.
[05:15] <elkbuntu> he's gone to bed almost 2 hours ago now
[05:18] <jenda> aha
[09:13] <jenda> PlHL: careful, you seem to be susceptible to D-C-C exploits
[09:21] <MenZa> PlHL: your connection is quite fucked.
[09:21] <nixternal> heh, port 8001 bud
[09:21] <nixternal> !language
[09:21] <nixternal> ;)
[09:21] <MenZa> -marketing :d
[09:21] <MenZa> But yes.
[09:21] <MenZa> 'scuse me.
[09:21] <MenZa> PlHL: that's your punishment for using Cybercity :D
[11:53] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3000620033916829403
[11:55] <johnlittle> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7166235331884680229
[11:56] <jenda> Shpamma-lamma-ding-DONG
[11:57] <jenda> If only sound worked in my firefox :(