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\shuploading wine_0.9.19-0ubuntu112:13
bddebianUhm, I asked for a sync of wine12:15
\shbddebian: we are using winehq packages for wine...which is 0.9.19 and not 0.9.15 :)12:16
bddebianAh12:17
\shdebian has old stuff ;) and I trust scott very much :)12:17
bmontyhi \sh12:20
bmontyhey bddebian12:20
bddebianHeya bmonty12:21
\shmoins bmonty12:22
bmonty\sh: does the new version of wine build for amd64?12:23
\shRejected:12:23
\shNot permitted to upload to the RELEASE pocket in a release in the 'CURRENT' state.12:23
\shit will not build at any time with this message...wtf12:23
\shbmonty: I can't test on amd64 anymore..I gave away my amd64 to my son who is now in NZ :)12:23
bmonty\sh: I can test on amd6412:24
\shuniverse is still open for merges12:24
\shoh I'm stupid12:25
\shedgy not dapper lol12:25
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bddebianHeya LaserJock12:28
LaserJockhi bddebian12:29
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lfittlcrimsun: -rpath worked, thanks (took some time, I really hate scons..)12:42
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\shgoing to bed...good night folks :)01:22
bddebianlfittl: scons is fun man.. ;-P01:25
lfittlbddebian: simple makefiles, and nothing more, thats the best build system ;)01:26
lfittlbut on the positive side I was able to replace FMOD with OpenAL for FreeOrion, turned out they already have support, its simply not activated :)01:27
bddebianNice01:29
bddebianOK, what do I do about an ambiguous reference to a function?  I assume it should be something like foo::get_action()?01:38
PlugStupid question time.01:38
PlugI am not an MOTU, and I have built a package that I want MOTUs to look at and potentially sponsor01:39
Plugso I read REVU is the place for this01:39
bddebianYes01:39
Plugand I also read that you have to SSH somewhere as a MOTU to build things on REVU?01:39
bddebianNot required01:39
PlugAnd I also also read you should be able to upload things from the web :)01:39
bddebianUpload things from the web?01:40
Plugwell, I assume there is a web interface to get my package onto the REVU site\?01:40
bddebianNo, dput01:41
bddebianplug: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU?action=show&redirect=MOTU%2FHopeful%2FREVU01:41
Plugthanks, some of the pages contradict themselves a little01:42
Plugright!  one package hopefully there at the next build :)01:45
=== Nafallo plays with his mailserver ;-)
Nafalloall emails for all domains is found through postgresql :_)01:46
Nafallo:-)01:46
Nafalloand all auth is against postgresql :-)01:46
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Plug...nothing has happened.  any REVU ppl about?02:01
=== Plug pings ajmitch
bddebianPlug: Have you already sent your key and got a response?02:07
PlugTo Launchpad, yes02:08
bddebianNo, for REVU02:08
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bddebianOr can that be done on LP now?02:09
Plughttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU again is ambiguous02:09
Plugupload your key, join the 'ubuntu universe contributors' team02:09
Plugwhich is just a click02:09
Plugchat here yesterday sounded like revu synced against that every now and then02:10
crimsunPlug: it's manually synced now and then, yes.02:10
crimsunso unless an admin has synced it by hand recently...02:11
Plugright02:11
bddebiancrimsun: !!  What do I do about an ambiguous reference to a function?02:11
=== Plug pings ajmitch again ;)
crimsunbddebian: make it unambiguous? :)02:12
crimsunsorry, I'm fighting to back up my HD before it dies completely02:12
crimsunthe SATA HD on this X41 is about to die (spewing lots of medium and autoreallocate failed errors via dmesg)02:13
bddebianUgh02:13
PlugAny other REVU key-syncin'-admins about?02:13
crimsunguess I know what my paycheck is going to, heh02:13
bddebianHow do I make a C function unambiguous in in C++?  It comes from gtkmm.02:15
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bddebianHeya Hobbsee02:15
Hobbseehi bddebian02:15
sladenbddebian: extern "C" {} ?02:16
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Yagisanlfittl, heh, I'm converting fmod to sdl_mixer in an app I want in Ubuntu. Why do they pick fmod in the first place, I wonder.02:36
lfittlYagisan: believe me, I don't know, there is no good reason to choose FMOD over OpenAL (or sdl_mixer if you need simpler stuff), but some projects simply don't think about it and are then to lazy to change..02:38
Yagisanlfittl, well, I got svn access to my one, and am demonstrating that the users don't need fmod, as I rip it out02:39
lfittl:)02:39
lfittlanyway, after having spent 2 hours debugging freeorion (throws an exception every time you actually want to play..) without finding the problem, I am tired, gn8 everybody02:41
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imbrandonmoins MOTU's ;)03:18
bddebianHeya ibm03:18
bddebianErr imbrandon03:18
imbrandonhehe ;)03:18
imbrandonbddebian: hey working on anything atm? mind if i query you ?03:19
bddebianNah, I am never working on anything :-)03:19
imbrandonhahah shush LP says diffrent hehe03:19
imbrandonok lemme grab a soda, then i'll brb03:19
bddebianOK03:19
LaserJockhi imbrandon03:20
LaserJockoh man, more mt. dew03:20
bddebianAck, don't start that again :-)03:20
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imbrandonhahah03:24
imbrandonheya LaserJock03:24
imbrandonok actualy i could ask the stuff in here since others might benifet heh03:25
bddebianPeople could benefit from me showing my ignorance? :-)03:25
imbrandonbddebian: basicly i'm taking the SoC that Riddell mentiond a few minutes ago that needs packin and trying to pack it, cept there are a fwe things i have never done before and dunno where to look for answers , so guess what ;)03:26
imbrandonmain thing being it dosent use autotools , i've never done a package from scratch that dont use auto tools03:26
imbrandonbddebian: hehe or LaserJock and others can chime in too ;)03:27
bddebianOK, what's the build system?  Is there one at all?03:27
imbrandona home grown ./install file03:27
LaserJockcool03:27
imbrandonhttp://www.micoulou.info/kformat/KMFormat0.1beta.tar.gz  <- thats the orig , i untared it and make a kmformat_0.1+0.1beta.orig.tar.gz03:28
bddebianimbrandon: It's no problem.  Basically you just replace the ./configure and/or make lines with the appropriate commands03:28
imbrandonand then got to looking and i'm like ummmm hell i dunno what to do, so i figured this would be a good chance to learn ;)03:28
imbrandonumm there isnt a ./configure and no top level makefile either, hehe lemme pastbin the install file03:29
bddebianimbrandon: Does the install do the build and install?03:30
imbrandonyea03:30
imbrandonand doc install and everything03:30
imbrandonits a bash script that does everything by hand incluging chekinmg the libs are installed03:30
imbrandonone sec pastbining it03:30
imbrandonhttp://pastebin.ca/13959203:31
imbrandoni dont think dh_make will help much as thats the only way i've ever done one from scratch heh but i guess its time to learn ;)03:32
bddebianOh, that's ugly03:33
imbrandonheh its a SoC project lol03:33
bddebianBasically you will have no configure or build targets03:33
bddebiandh_make will be fine, you will just need to rip out a lot of stuff03:33
imbrandonk03:34
imbrandonsingle bin dh_make done03:34
imbrandonSkipping creating ../kmformat_0.1+0.1beta.orig.tar.gz because it already exists03:34
imbrandonCurrently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning.03:34
imbrandonDone. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also03:34
imbrandoncheck that the kmformat Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .03:34
imbrandon^^ foreign to me03:35
imbrandonheh03:35
imbrandonso realy i need to redo what he does in debian/rules ? or do i just call his script from debian rules ?03:36
bddebianMeaning you want to install in debian/kmformat/foo not /03:36
bddebianCall install from install:03:36
bddebianRemove build: and/or configure: if they exist03:36
bddebianBasically instead of calling ${MAKE} install, you will call ./install03:37
imbrandonclean: ?03:38
bddebianClean you will need03:38
bddebianBecause you will have to make the resulting dir structure look like it did/does from the tarball03:38
imbrandonk03:39
imbrandonhttp://pastebin.ca/13961003:40
imbrandonand now i need to go into his src/Makefile and change the stuff to $DESTDIR ?03:40
bddebianimbrandon: Right but you would have to see if ... exactly :-)03:41
imbrandonor the install03:41
imbrandonor both03:41
imbrandonheh03:41
bddebianinstall: build, you need to drop "build" since you have no build target anymore03:42
imbrandonahh right03:42
imbrandonso does it even need the binary-*: stuff ?03:43
imbrandonwith no build target ?03:43
bddebianI believe you at least need the binary-arch: but drop the "build" of course03:44
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imbrandonbddebian: ok hows this lookin, got it all ripped out03:46
imbrandonhttp://pastebin.ca/13961703:46
imbrandonhrm what about -$(MAKE) clean in clean: since there is no toplevel makefile03:46
bddebianDoes he have a Makefile at all?03:48
imbrandonsrc/Makefile ( called from ./install )03:48
imbrandonand a Makefile.am in the top dir03:48
bddebianYou could try ${MAKE} -c src clean03:48
imbrandonk03:49
imbrandonso with the DESTDIR do i cange the ./install or src/MakeFile or both ?03:49
imbrandonchange*03:50
bddebianCheck src/Makefile to see if it already handles DESTDIR03:50
imbrandonQMAKE_TARGET  = KMFormat03:50
imbrandonDESTDIR       =03:50
imbrandonTARGET        = KMFormat03:50
imbrandonyup but blank03:51
bddebianThat's OK, you are passing it03:51
imbrandonk so no change needed03:51
bddebianNope03:51
imbrandonwhew03:51
imbrandonheh03:51
bddebianObviously his install file may have path issues for you to look at though03:51
imbrandonok as far as debian/rules this should be ok then03:52
imbrandonok ./install now heheheh /me looks03:52
bddebianhard to say yet but worth a try :-)03:52
imbrandonhehe right right03:52
=== imbrandon should talk him into using autotools for 0.2 ;)
bddebian        cp KMFormat /usr/bin/X1103:52
bddebian        mkdir /usr/bin/X11/kmformat03:52
bddebianLike that stuff will probably need to be mkdir debian/kmformat/usr/bin/X11...03:53
imbrandonugh why is this going in X!! ?03:53
imbrandonX11 i mean heh03:53
bddebianYeah, that doesn't look right to me but I'm an idiot03:53
imbrandonheh i'll package it this way and show Riddell tomarrow about it , i think he is his mentor03:55
imbrandoni'm just going off of .... [19:33]  <Riddell> well, as it happens, we do need someone to package SoC project kmformat http://www.micoulou.info/kformat/KMFormat0.1beta.tar.gz03:55
imbrandon;)03:55
bddebian:-)03:55
imbrandonok http://pastebin.ca/13963203:56
imbrandonso in that does the cp README blah need to be cp debian/...../README too ?03:56
bddebianProbably not the best solution but should work03:57
imbrandonk03:57
imbrandonso basicly all the patch in that prefix with debian/.......03:57
imbrandonpaths*03:57
bddebianYeah03:58
imbrandonheh ok i'm dumb but even the cd src to cd debian/kmformat/src ?03:58
bddebianWhere's that?03:58
imbrandonif  [ "$USER" = "root" ] 03:59
imbrandon        then03:59
imbrandon        cd src03:59
imbrandon        make03:59
bddebianOh, no, that stays03:59
imbrandonk03:59
imbrandonok i guess time to test it ( then i can worry about the copyright etc if it works hehe04:01
imbrandon)04:01
imbrandonbddebian: ok well i guess that answers that04:04
imbrandonheh lots of errors04:04
imbrandonit dident like the -c src clean for one, i can change that ........ next04:04
imbrandon/usr/bin/make -c src clean04:05
imbrandon/usr/bin/make: invalid option -- c04:05
imbrandonneeded to be -C , hehe my bad ;)04:05
imbrandonhttp://pastebin.ca/13964504:06
imbrandonbddebian: ^^ i guess that menas it needs qmake in deb control ?04:07
imbrandonerr not04:08
bddebianWhoops, my bad, I should have specified -C04:08
imbrandonhehe no prob04:08
imbrandonyou see that last paste04:08
ajmitchPlug: source-only uploads please04:08
bddebianimbrandon: Yeah, it's still trying to call build somewhere in debian/rules04:09
imbrandonhum i dont see it anywhere http://pastebin.ca/13965104:13
bddebianHmm, maybe build: has to be there, just leave it empty?04:15
imbrandonbwhahaha that was that04:15
imbrandonok now lets see how this works04:15
ajmitchbddebian: yes, as stated in policy04:16
imbrandonOMG lintian go's nuts but it atleaste builds now heh04:16
bddebianajmitch: Policy, what's that? ;-P04:17
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imbrandonheh04:17
Nafallohaha04:17
=== Nafallo ponders what might be the best way to have postfix use procmail for virtual users ;-)
Nafallo@4:18 AM :-P04:18
ubuntu-esNafallo: Error: "4:18" is not a valid command.04:18
Nafalloehm... wtf04:18
imbrandonheh04:18
imbrandon@now us/central04:18
ubuntu-esimbrandon: Error: "now" is not a valid command.04:18
UbugtuCurrent time in US/Central: August 19 2006, 21:18:5004:18
imbrandon@time us/central04:18
UbugtuCurrent time in US/Central: August 19 2006, 21:18:5604:18
ubuntu-esimbrandon: Error: "time" is not a valid command.04:18
imbrandonugh two bots that respond to @04:19
ajmitchTonio_: ping04:20
LaserJockhi ajmitch04:23
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ajmitchhello LaserJock04:28
bddebianHoly cow k3d is a pig04:31
Nafallooh my donkey, bddebian will soon have a farm ;-)04:31
bddebianheh04:32
bddebianI don't have a donkey yet, so watch out.. ;-P04:32
bddebianThough I do have crimsun's pony04:32
bddebian*whoops*04:32
NafalloI have a donkey :-)04:33
Nafallodonkey.magicalforest.ebn has address 192.168.66.604:33
Nafallodonkey.magicalforest.ebn has IPv6 address 2001:16d8:ff96:1:250:fcff:fe89:efe104:33
Nafallo:-)04:33
Nafalloor rather, my girlfriend has :-)04:33
bddebianheh04:34
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LaserJock''04:38
NafalloLaserJock: EYES! :-D04:38
LaserJocksorry, that's my niece04:39
LaserJockshe's 1 1/204:39
Nafalloah, how friendly of her to give you eyes :-)04:39
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imbrandonheh04:53
LaserJockheh, that was fun04:55
LaserJockshe was running the mouse04:55
LaserJockloved the scroll wheel04:55
Plugajmitch: I didn't get a source-changes file04:57
Plug(when I built the package)04:58
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trpr_dang. it doesn't seem like its going to be easy to package my source afterall :( it requires a shared library that isn't currently provided by any other package05:11
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hubtrpr_: package that lib too05:35
hub:-)05:35
=== hub has a package here that needs clear licensing from upstream :-/
LaserJocklicensing isn't fun05:38
trpr_hrm. well. a package exists, the lib is just missing from it. i need a shared library of the koala.jar file (libkde3-java).. i would expect to find it in libkde3-jin, by its description05:38
trpr_libkde3-jni that is05:38
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trpr_according to rdale, there is a bug in the kde libtool which prevents these shared libraries from being created during compilation of the bindings... explains why the library doesn't exist in the package :\05:46
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ajmitchPlug: debuild -S -sa06:15
Plugthanks, I'll do that now06:16
Plugis my key synced to rEVU?06:16
ajmitchshould be now06:17
YagisanDo we have any packages in universe (preferably games) that use cmake rather then autotools ?06:24
=== Yagisan need to brush up cmake style packaging
Plugtrying again.06:24
PlugI think the version number is probably wrong06:24
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freeflyingcrimsun: hi06:51
freeflyingcrimsun: I wanna split a package in sid into three packages ,so what shall I do06:54
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crimsunfreeflying: please rephrase?06:56
freeflyingcrimsun: scim-bridge in sid goes into one binary package, since there are great changes in new upstream release, so I wanna split it into three binaries, then what shall I do for it06:58
bddebianAdd three the two other binary packages to debian/control and adjust build system accordingly? :-)06:59
bddebian-three06:59
freeflyingcrimsun: shall I discuz with my sponsor?06:59
crimsunfreeflying: right, it seems a fairly straightforward approach.06:59
freeflyingbddebian: I see06:59
=== bddebian still needs a sponsor
LaserJockbah, who needs sponsors? ;-)07:00
=== imbrandon does too
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freeflyingLaserJock:  me  :)07:01
LaserJockbddebian: I didn't think dieties needed sponsors07:01
freeflyingcrimsun: thanks07:01
crimsunnp07:01
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LaserJockhehe07:02
LaserJockdarn, I should have slipped a certain wiki page into my Ubucon talk07:02
bddebianDon't make me break out the lasers07:02
LaserJock"And this is what happens when you contribute a lot" ;-)07:02
crimsunit's much too late; you're already in the list of LP's top Ubuntu contributors.07:03
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bddebianHoly crap, k3d finally finished07:11
Burgundaviahey bddebian07:11
bddebianHi Burgundavia07:12
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bddebianGnight folks07:13
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AnAntI need help08:20
AnAntwhat is NMU thing ?08:20
BurgundaviaAnAnt: a debian term meaning "non-maintainer upload"08:20
Burgundaviaubuntu really doesn't have that concept, as all packages are more or less group maintained08:20
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AnAntic08:24
HobbseeBurgundavia: thank goodness for that :P08:25
AnAntBurgundavia: ok, can you tell me what is wrong with this Lintian output as far as Ubuntu is concerned ?  http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kchmviewer-0608190710/lintian08:25
BurgundaviaAnAnt: sorry, nope08:25
AnAntso far I got the svn-commit.tmp file problem08:25
BurgundaviaHobbsee: indeed. I saw you touched a gnome package. Did you need to take a shower after that ;) ?08:26
HobbseeBurgundavia: more than one.  and i was severely tempted.08:26
BurgundaviaI am truly sorry08:26
HobbseeBurgundavia: i can cope with doing various packaging bits on them, as long as i dont have to use them :P08:26
Hobbseehehe08:26
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BurgundaviaI gather you resisted the urge?08:27
Gloubiboulgahello world08:27
HobbseeBurgundavia: so far, yes08:27
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AnAntI have a question08:29
AnAntI get a warning that there is an svn-commit file08:29
AnAntwhat should I do to fix that ?08:29
AnAntI tried deleting it, but that won't fix anything !08:29
AnAntI think because the .orig tarball has that svn-commit file08:29
AnAntoh, he meant that I should run linda/lintian on the binaries !08:31
AnAntok, nevermind fellas !08:31
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imbrandonheh i put ubuntu on the laptop and kubuntu on the desktop, thats about as far as i'm gonna take it ( as i dont use the laptop much , and when i do its to ssh into the desktop or vnc )08:39
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bluefoxicyhow fast would it get rejected if I uploaded a package with package name 'retard'?08:42
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Burgundaviabluefoxicy: do you need to even ask?08:43
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  yes~08:44
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  I just had about the coolest (and probably evilest) idea ever08:44
bluefoxicyI have a game shark for my game boy08:44
bluefoxicyand it has this thing where you play and then hit a button and it goes back to the shark; then you enter the game again, play, hit the button again, goes back to the shark again08:44
bluefoxicyand shows you a line-up of all memory addresses and which ones are different; and you can search for a value08:45
bluefoxicyso I am thinking about writing a reverse engineering tool that does exactly that, on Linux programs; but the only title I can come up with is Reverse Engineering Tool for Analysis and Reverse Development (RETARD)08:45
carthikFrom #ubuntu : " flubs: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall --force-yes -y " -> doesn't htat look evil?08:46
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  if you have any better names to contribute I'm open.08:46
ajmitchcarthik: yes, but I've done that before08:46
Burgundaviabluefoxicy: I would honestly not even tread there08:46
Burgundaviahey ajmitch08:46
ajmitchcarthik: using the -n option with xargs tends to make it run smoother :)08:46
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ajmitchhello Burgundavia08:47
StevenKCOLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | tr -s' ' | cut -d\  -f2 | xargs -n apt-get --reinstall install08:47
ajmitchor something like that08:47
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  not into programs that can only be used for purposes illegal in most significant places in the world?08:47
carthikhi ajmitch, channel displacement calculation error on my part. Was meant for #u-offtopic :) Thanks for the info.08:47
ajmitchpassing --force-yes is generally a bad thing08:47
ajmitchStevenK: wasn't dpkg fixed to not require COLUMNS set?08:48
StevenKMaybe. I keep passing it because my muscle memory says so.08:49
imbrandonbluefoxicy: good idea , bad name ;)08:49
bluefoxicyimbrandon: I know.  It's the only thing I can branch off "reverse engineering tool" that makes sense and is obviously not the name of any other tool08:50
bluefoxicyI was gonna call it "REShark" after the GameShark, but .... um.  trademark <-> anal rape08:50
imbrandongnushark ;)08:51
bluefoxicylol08:51
imbrandonLinFish08:51
bluefoxicyI've seen a hardware PCI gameshark!08:51
bluefoxicyI think they're illegal now because of what you can do with them08:51
bluefoxicybut it was actually GameShark brand08:52
imbrandonheh , i have a snes and gb rom image of the shark here somewhwere, i had a ps1 rom images too but they got corrupted when i tried to patch them for the xbox ps1 emu08:52
bluefoxicyimbrandon:  I loved the damn thing either way.  I never carried a code book; when I wanted infinite lives I'd juts play the game twice, die once, scan for the number of lives i had before and after to match in the appropriate snapshots, and then try out ~5 addresses08:53
bluefoxicyand bingo.  Infinite lives.08:53
Burgundaviaajmitch, imbrandon, Hobbsee: suggestions for UWN packages (or other things)08:53
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imbrandonbluefoxicy: yea you can do that with the current emu's they have the genie and shark built in08:54
imbrandonand let you pause and watch mem registers realtime in a sep window08:54
bluefoxicyoh holy crap sweet.08:54
bluefoxicyimbrandon:  if you're into stuff like that elfsh is probably the coolest thing in existence right now08:57
imbrandoncool, whats that ?08:57
bluefoxicyan elf shell :)08:57
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bluefoxicyit lets you do things like inject code into running programs, load random libraries, muck around with variables, the usual debugger stuff08:58
imbrandonahh very nice08:58
bluefoxicyhttp://elfsh.segfault.net/08:58
imbrandonsounds like an easy way to segfault something though given the fagile nature of elf bins though ;)08:58
imbrandonhahaha just happens to be on segfault.net after i say that08:59
bluefoxicyyeah, solar loves it.09:00
imbrandonplain C injection , now /thats/ nice^Wnasty09:01
bluefoxicylol09:02
imbrandonwe did some code for RunUO that let us wrap a windows exe and do dll injection into the running process , THAT was fun09:03
bluefoxicyhah09:03
bluefoxicyI did a practice DLL injection the other day09:03
bluefoxicyhad to dig up some old, old stuff09:03
imbrandonyea you can end up doing some neat stuff what that if you take the time09:03
imbrandonyea most of the info on it is ancient09:04
bluefoxicyexcept this DLL injection was across a network and threw a VNC DLL into RPC using MS03-026 (that really old vuln that Blaster used) and got me remote vnc09:04
imbrandonwe did that in ummm 2002 and it was old then09:04
bluefoxicyI never got around to porting a milw0rm .c file onto metasploit09:04
HobbseeBurgundavia: oh!  new login screen for kubuntu!09:04
bluefoxicywanted to gather some data to write a book about hacking up09:04
BurgundaviaHobbsee: right, can you pm me the dtails?09:04
imbrandonahh yea Burgundavia new kdm screen ;)09:04
bluefoxicy(black AND white)09:05
imbrandonbluefoxicy: heh09:05
bluefoxicyI figure if we train security professionals to be blackhats, they can figure out what the blackhats are doing and more effectively set up strategic roadblocks09:05
bluefoxicyI expect most of the real world to react.......... the same way they did back in the dark ages.09:06
imbrandonheh never, they will never take the time to be true blackhats as long as they are only learning it to "prevent"09:06
bluefoxicyThis one guy during a war a long time ago was developing strategy for his country's army09:06
bluefoxicyand what he was doing was conjecturing how barbaric armies would likely invade, and designing defenses against those tactics09:07
bluefoxicyand people usually would just try to figure out defenses09:07
bluefoxicyand they were like, "HOLY CRAP, YOU ARE SICK, YOU THINK ABOUT EVIL THINGS!"09:07
Yagisanbluefoxicy, you missed the grey hats.09:07
bluefoxicyYagisan:  I thought grey hats were flip-flops that did bad things on the side :(09:08
Yagisanbluefoxicy, nope, my definition is a white hat that makes sure he gets paid >:)09:08
bluefoxicyanyway, it's 3am, I should sleep and let the SNR get back to normal09:09
Yagisanwhat's "normal" ?09:10
imbrandonheh gonight, thanks for the link, i'll check it out later when i have some free time ( yea right ! ) lol09:10
bluefoxicy"normal" is when I'm not flooding the channel with offtopic crap :P09:10
bluefoxicyalso when i'm not being recognized by an automated system as being a bigger contributor than bddebian ever though I do basically nothing.09:11
bluefoxicys/ever/even/09:11
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bluefoxicyimbrandon:  np09:11
Burgundaviaimbrandon: you able to get that picture too me in the next half hour?09:16
imbrandonBurgundavia: yea let me finish this svn checkout then i'll restart kde09:16
Burgundaviasounds good09:16
imbrandonor hrm i guess i could just xnest it, heh since i have to use ksnapshop to grab a pic anyhow ;)09:19
imbrandons/shop/shot/g09:19
Burgundaviayep09:19
imbrandoneww i dunno if it shows up in Xnest as intended , look ......09:25
imbrandonhttp://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss6.png09:26
Burgundaviaimbrandon: hmm, nothing to compare that too09:28
imbrandonuptill now it looked like the dapper kdm09:29
imbrandonbut it looks like its missing images09:29
imbrandonthe buttons shouldnt be purple and the middle stripe shouldent be purple09:29
imbrandonthey both should be black09:30
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Burgundaviaimbrandon: I need that screenshot now09:42
imbrandonwell i onestly cant get it to behave right, still looks broke09:43
Burgundaviaok, no worries09:43
imbrandonand kwwii isnt on09:43
Burgundaviawe can cover the new theme next week09:43
Burgundaviacan you write that?09:43
imbrandonyup09:43
Burgundaviathanks09:44
imbrandonGAWD pbuilde is slow at times09:46
imbrandonmore time satisfying deps then compiling09:47
DarkMageZthat's soo true :) it gets really annoying when you n00b things up over and over for 12 hours =D09:49
imbrandonlol09:49
imbrandonjesus building a chroot fresh each time would be faster09:52
imbrandonwhy is it soo much slower ?09:52
DarkMageZnot sure, but after 12 hours of learning and working, i think my rhythmbox package is going to build :)09:53
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\shmoins10:20
\shbmonty_away: I adjusted the wine package to build as well on x86_6410:22
ajmitchhello \sh10:24
\shmoins ajmitch10:24
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phanaticmorning10:42
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\shajmitch: did you ever pushed some bazaar branches to bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ ?11:12
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ajmitch\sh: yes11:19
\shajmitch: I did it yesterday evening , and I don't find it under http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/ubuntu11:21
ajmitchbecause it probably wasn't pushed properly11:22
ajmitchyou did it with --create-prefix ?11:22
ajmitchit's definitely not there under sftp either, so it doesn't look like it got pushed11:24
\shajmitch: i followed the howto of scott...11:26
\sheven with create-prefix11:26
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Tonio_ajmitch: pong ? a bit late I must say ;)11:26
Tonio_hi everyone11:26
ajmitch\sh: it really doesn't look to be there11:27
ajmitchTonio_: MOTU UVF team is really the wrong people to assign to to get UVF exception approved for main11:27
Tonio_ajmitch: okay, I didn't find another group and nobody was online for this11:28
Tonio_what is the correct gropu plz ?11:28
ajmitchsee wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources11:28
ajmitchsubscribe (don't assign) ubuntu-release11:29
\shajmitch: i'll have another look later...11:29
\shcu later...need to do some real life work :)11:29
Tonio_ajmitch: thanks for the info, will do !11:30
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No1VikingFglrxinfo is ok but screensaver is slow, what is wrong?12:07
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee12:15
Hobbseehi ajmitch12:15
Tonio_hey Hobbsee12:16
Hobbseehi Tonio_12:17
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Hobbseehi Fujitsu12:29
FujitsuHi.12:31
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No1VikingFglrxinfo is ok but the screensaver is slow, what is wrong?01:06
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fbond|awaycrimsun, re: midisport-firmware, i've looked over edgy's /etc/udev/rules.d/README, and, by a stroke of luck it looks like my udev rules file already has the right int prefix01:42
fbond|awayam I missing something?01:42
fbond|away80: rules that run programs, + 5 = 8501:43
fbond|awayI will install my rules file directly in rules.d, not as a symlink.  I assume that will resolve any current issues.01:44
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derjohnbcm43xx crashed on my HP notebook , because I doesnt know about my particular chip ID. Is there a way to exclude the loading of the module with an append line option? I tried to google for "apprend module blacklist" etc. but couldnt find aynthing ..03:39
Hobbseederjohn: add the name of the module to /etc/modules on a new line03:39
derjohneh: crashed during install, so I talk abiut the installer (sorry for being not precise)03:39
derjohnbesides that:  /etc/modules _includes_ a module ... I am looking for the case vice versa :/03:40
StevenKHobbsee: That *loads* it.03:41
Hobbseeoh.  do i mean /etc/blacklist or /etc/modules/blacklist or something?03:41
Hobbseeit's been a while since i've set up ndiswrapper03:41
Hobbseethe old way03:41
StevenKderjohn: ls: /etc/blacklist: No such file or directory03:41
StevenKls: /etc/modutils/blacklist: No such file or directory03:41
StevenKs/derjohn: //03:41
derjohnwell, I hoped for a solution without the need to remaster the installer03:41
StevenKderjohn: There is probably one.03:42
StevenKI can't think of it, however.03:42
derjohni have two NIC in the norebook, could live without WLAN druing install .. just something like "append blacklist=bcm43xx" or such .. ?03:42
derjohn'who' does load the module? udev? hardcoded in initrd?03:43
StevenKudev, I suspect.03:44
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bddebianHeya gang03:53
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bddebianWhew, I thought I lost my build box there for a minute..04:10
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Gloubiboulgaopenscenegraph again ? ;)04:12
bddebianNo, k3d, just about as bad :-)04:13
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AnAntbddebian: thanks for the comments, I didn't know that linda/lintian can be used on binary debs04:26
bddebianNP04:26
bddebianI'm test building again now :-)04:26
AnAntbddebian: thanks04:26
bddebianNP04:26
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TLECan I ask a question about patching and re-packaging Ubuntu software here ?05:02
bddebianTLE: Shoot05:02
TLEGreat. The question is: If I download the source-code for a Ubuntu package, say metacity with apt. Then patch, compile and package it, then, will this package have all the dependencies of the original package, and will other people be able to use it without doing anything else ?05:05
bddebianYes05:06
TLEGreeeat, that's why I love Linux, thanks a lot05:07
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geserin edgy you can have slight different dependencies because a library changed so-names between the last compile and now05:09
TLEok thanks,  but I'm only targeting the patch at Dapper for now, I'm kind of new at this05:11
geserthen the dependencies shouldn't change05:12
TLEok thanks05:14
PrezuCould someone please explain me what's the /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/tarball.mk for? There's very brief explanation in cdbs-doc.html, so it's not clear for me.05:15
asimonPrezu: Good question, the answer would interest me too. I haven't yet seen any good example where it's used.05:17
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bddebianPrezu: Is it for packages that have a tarball inside the source package instead of a build tree?05:22
geseras far as I understand it: you can include the upstream tar.gz in your orig.tar.gz (tar in tar) and tarball.mk unpacks those included tar.gz so you can use it05:22
PrezuAs I understand it, geser is right. See the xerces27 package. It uses the tarball.mk. I'm just not certain why it should be used anyway.05:26
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asimonPrezu: Yes, this xerces package contains the upstream tarball inside a orig.tar.gz, thus the md5 sum of orig.tar.gz is not equal to the upstream md5sum. I thought that was not good practice?05:34
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Prezuasimon: Well, it's not. If upstream releases the .tar.gz, it should just be renamed. But if it's e. g. tar.bz2 it has to be bunzipp2ed and gzipped.05:43
PrezuSo i've got no idea why the md5sum is different. Maybe regzipped with -9?05:43
plugwashhave you compared the MD5s of the two versions after ungzipping?05:44
asimonPrezu: Well the md5sum is different because the upstream tarball is wrappend in an other tarball, which changes the md5sum.05:44
imbrandon[10:42]  <Prezu> asimon: Well, it's not. If upstream releases the .tar.gz, it should just be renamed.  <-- not always it may not unzip to the correct dir name format if just renamed05:45
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Prezuasimon: I thought you're taking about a wrapped xerces-c-src_2_7_0.tar.gz's md5sum.05:48
asimonimbrandon: Okay, so this xerces27 package is probably just not a very good example where cdbs's tarball.mk is really useful.05:49
asimonPrezu: No, that one is identical to upsteam. I meant the orig.tar.gz.05:49
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Prezuasimon: I think xerces27 is a good example. Take a look at tar tvzf  xerces-c-src_2_7_0.tar.gz. It unpacks the sources to the xerces-c-src_2_7_0. And it shound be xerces27-2.7.0 for Debian/Ubuntu.05:52
toddobryanI installed a Debian package by compiling from source, but the menu item it adds isn't showing up.05:52
toddobryanI'm thinking that /usr/share/menu has little relationship to the menus at the top of my screen (because hints and such are different).05:53
toddobryanWhere do the menus I can see come from?05:53
geser/usr/share/applications05:53
asimonPrezu: But that could be handled by a simple renaming of the tarball, couldn't it?05:53
Prezuasimon: Well, I thought so all the time. But why to use /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/tarball.mk then? And here we come to my first questoin again. :)05:55
toddobryanSo, to Ubuntify the package, I should add a .desktop file and have it copied to /usr/share/applications?05:55
zulyep..05:57
asimonPrezu: Exactly :-)05:57
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TLEI'm trying to follow the lesson in MOTU school https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PatchingSources and the irc log. I'm in the udev: "separate patches, but no patch system" part. But when I execute the "debian/rules patch" command I get an error: make: dh_testdir: Command not found06:05
asimonPrezu: I just tried it. Renamed the tarball to standard orig.tar.gz format, removed the tarball.mk rule and it works. So at least in this case I see no good reason to use tarball.mk.06:05
TLEmake: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 127.06:05
TLEWhat am I doing wrong06:05
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asimonTLE: Do you have debhelper installed? dh_testdir is part of that package.06:07
TLENo i didn't. I searched for it in synaptic but didn't get a hit. Thanks06:09
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toddobryanI just installed ibmj2sdk1.5 this morning, and now I get an error every time I06:36
toddobryantry to run java.06:36
toddobryanIt says it can't find "libjvm.so".06:36
sladentoddobryan: that you done update-alternatives to select /which/ Java you want?06:38
sladens/that/have/06:38
toddobryanYes, I have.06:38
Bazzihm, dapper or edgy?06:41
toddobryanDapper.06:42
Bazzilet me try06:42
toddobryanI have a PPC, so that's really my only choice.06:42
Bazzioh, thats ppc stuff, oh06:42
Bazziso it wont be in x86 repos?06:43
toddobryanOh, one thing I should have mentioned: I installed it manually following the instructions on the Wiki and it worked.06:43
toddobryanNope...probably not x86.06:43
toddobryanBut I kept getting bothered by Update Manager, saying I needed to update.06:43
toddobryanSo I did. And it broke.06:43
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GoshawkUploading via ftp splashy_0.1.8.1-3ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of splashy_0.1.8.1-3ubuntu1.dsc06:49
Goshawki got this error running: dput revu *.changes06:49
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Goshawkhi, i've this error: Uploading via ftp splashy_0.1.8.1-3ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of splashy_0.1.8.1-3ubuntu1.dsc08:38
Goshawkduring uploading to revu08:38
crimsunyou need an admin to remove the upload if dput -f doesn't work08:39
Goshawkgoogling i found that it is possible that an admin didn't run the import-keys-from-launchpad-script. can someone do it please?08:39
crimsunit was done yesterday; were you already part of that group yesterday?08:40
Goshawkok trying dput -f08:40
Goshawkyep i was08:40
Goshawki registered on 14th08:40
Goshawksame error with dput -f revu *.changes08:41
Goshawkuhm...08:42
Goshawkrunning dcut08:43
crimsundcut doesn't work08:43
Goshawkok finding another way08:43
crimsunyou'll need an admin to remove the upload.08:43
Goshawkcrimsun: should i find him on #ubuntu?08:45
crimsunGoshawk: raphink seems to be one with the lowest recent idle indicator08:46
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Goshawkcrimsun: thanks08:46
raphinkcrimsun: how do you mean?08:46
raphinkwhat idle indicator?08:46
crimsunraphink: (revu admin)08:46
Goshawkhi raphink08:46
raphinkI'm there when needed for revu admin08:47
crimsunraphink: /wi raphink raphink  (in irssi)08:47
raphinkjust busy on my projects lately08:47
Goshawki need your help, can you remove the splashy dsc file in ftp://revu.tauware.de/incoming08:47
Goshawk?08:47
Goshawkthanks08:47
raphinkI don't have /wi08:47
raphinksure I can Goshawk08:47
raphinkgive me one minute08:47
Goshawkraphink: thanks08:47
crimsunraphink: (i.e., pointing him to Andrew would probably be futile given his timezone and idle indicator :)08:48
raphinkdone Goshawk08:48
Goshawkthanks08:48
raphinkhehe ok08:48
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Goshawktring... dput revu *.changes08:49
raphinkGoshawk: did you sign with -S -sa ?08:49
raphinkjust to be sure08:49
Goshawkraphink: sure08:49
Goshawk:d08:49
Goshawk:D08:49
raphinkgood :)08:49
Goshawkgpg: Good signature from "Vincenzo Ampolo <vincenzo.ampolo@gmail.com>"08:49
raphinkI'm surprised we don't have splashy yet08:50
raphinkok08:50
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Goshawkraphink: this is why i'm here :D08:50
AnAntbddebian: thanks !08:50
raphinkit's coming up Goshawk08:50
GoshawkSuccessfully uploaded packages.08:50
raphinkyes, I can confirm08:50
raphinknow let's see if the package is accepted ;)08:50
raphinkwe'll see that in 5 seconds08:51
raphinkyep it's on :)08:51
raphinkgood work Goshawk08:51
Goshawkthanks raphink08:51
Goshawkhope it will be added to edgy08:52
raphinkhope so08:52
raphinkyou have to find reviewers now :)08:52
Goshawkok thanks for your help... good coding :D08:53
AnAntraphink: when does a package get reviewed ?08:53
raphinkAnAnt: usually when you find a reviewer to look at it08:54
AnAntraphink: do reviewers review packages that have comments yet are not Advocated ?08:54
AnAntraphink: you mean I should ask someone to review it ?08:54
raphinkAnAnt: theorically yes, but if you look at the queue on REVU, you understand that you actually have to find reviewers08:54
raphinkAnAnt: yes, it's the best way if you want to get there fast08:54
AnAntoic08:54
raphinktry to poke developers on here08:54
raphinkand paste the url to your package08:55
AnAntlionelp: remember the elinks package that you commented about in July ? I did some fixes to it08:56
Goshawkhttp://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=vincenzo.ampolo@gmail.com ----> there is no text to pass to gpg for me08:57
raphinkhmmm08:57
raphinklet me see08:57
AnAntGoshawk: yeah, I dunno when they will fix that08:57
Goshawk-__- and so how can i find my password?08:58
asimonGoshawk: to quote an admin 'lostpw.py it totally fucked up'.  ;-)08:58
Goshawk;)08:58
AnAntGoshawk: duno, but if you find out, please tell me :)08:58
raphinkasimon: yes I know :(08:59
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AnAntsomeone said that it works fine with him about 2 days ago09:05
raphinkhmm09:05
AnAntLaserJock09:06
Goshawkraphink: i don't want to disturb you, but if you can mail me that py script at vincenzo.ampolo@gmail.com , i can spend one hour on it this night09:06
Goshawkthanks09:06
Goshawknow i must go09:06
Goshawksee you guys09:06
AnAntmaybe its not the code09:06
raphinksiretart has changed some things in revu lately09:06
raphinkI wonder if it's not using the LP identification now09:06
raphinkdid you try that?09:06
AnAntLaserJock said it worked for him on Aug 17th09:06
AnAntwhat is LP ?09:07
tsenglaunchpad.net09:07
raphinklaunchpad09:07
raphinkyou have to have an account on launchpad09:07
AnAntyeah09:07
raphinkotherwise you wouldn't be able to upload to REVU09:07
raphinkhi tseng09:07
AnAntI can upload to REVU09:07
Goshawkraphink: me too09:07
tsenghi09:08
AnAntthe problem is that if I need to put a comment on my upload I can't without logging in09:08
GoshawkAnAnt: same problem here... time to go, bye09:08
AnAntwell, gotta go too09:09
zul_heh...i even have a blog now..09:22
tsengzul_: oh?09:25
zul_yeah..09:25
crimsunwell you're hacking on xen, so that's conceivably bloggable imo09:28
zultrue..09:29
bddebianPlus the fact that you are such a stud :)09:32
zulhmm...i wanna beat someone now :)09:33
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fbond|awaybddebian: no rush, just uploaded fixed midisport-firmware package, thanks again for your time09:41
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bddebianfbond|away: OK, I'll check it out10:35
bddebianGah, I think my laptop is dying :'-(10:42
crimsunwelcome to the club.10:42
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bddebianfbond|away: around?11:08
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