[02:22] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:22] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[02:22] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: where in canada are you?
[02:24] <sbalneav> Hello Burgundavia
[02:24] <sbalneav> I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba
[02:24] <Burgundavia> right, now I remember
[02:24] <Burgundavia> just finished hanging out with Jim and Jim and LWE and Ubucon
[02:25] <sbalneav> Ah, cool
[02:25] <sbalneav> Had a good time I hope?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> I did
[02:25] <Burgundavia> very tired now
[04:39] <seba_newbie> Hi all
[04:39] <Burgundavia> hey seba_newbie
[04:39] <seba_newbie> I want to make a copy of a edubuntu 6.06 for a friend
[04:39] <seba_newbie> i do
[04:40] <seba_newbie> dd if=/dev/hdc of=imagen.iso
[04:40] <seba_newbie> but i get different md5sums
[04:40] <seba_newbie> is that normal ?
[04:41] <seba_newbie> I want to be sure before burning
[04:41] <seba_newbie> I can mount the image via loop interface
[04:41] <seba_newbie> and it seems ok
[04:41] <Burgundavia> why don't you just copy the cd?
[04:41] <Burgundavia> dump the cd in and you should be able to right-click it and choose copy
[04:42] <seba_newbie> ahh, its a DVD, not a CD
[04:42] <Burgundavia> should just work
[04:42] <seba_newbie> ok, i will try
[04:49] <sbalneav> brb
[04:52] <sbalneav> Back
[06:12] <gotama> Hi! there.
[06:12] <gotama> How to change the grub setup in edubuntu?
[06:15] <bimberi> gotama: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst - what do you want to change?
[06:18] <gotama> I want to add suse-linux.
[06:20] <bimberi> gotama: yes, editing that file is the way.  Exactly what to put I'm not certain, but if you have the grub config on your suse partition you could get the appropriate lines from that
[06:21] <gotama> I need to do this in edubuntu.
[06:22] <gotama> After I edit menu.lst how do I activate it?
[06:23] <bimberi> gotama: does your grub boot menu only offer edubuntu at the moment?
[06:23] <gotama> Yes.
[06:24] <bimberi> gotama: then you don't need to do anything else.  grub reads that file at boot time
[06:24] <gotama> Ok. Thanks. I will try.
[07:14] <sbalneav> Headin' to bed.  Night all
[07:56] <highvoltage> good morning everyone!!!
[08:07] <bimberi_> hehe, good afternoon highvoltage!!!
[08:10] <highvoltage> good afternoon bimberi_ :)
[08:11] <bimberi_> :)
[08:24] <RichEd> good am / pm to all
[08:25] <highvoltage> good am to you mr RichEd 
[08:26] <RichEd> highvoltage: janew would like to speaks to Mr T about the cheap mpr3 players he schwangled a while ago ... do you have an email addy for him for her ?
[08:26] <highvoltage> hilton@inkululeko.co.za
[08:27] <highvoltage> *g*
[09:08] <RichEd-1> GHOST RichEd i@mbc0s
[09:11] <highvoltage> ouch
[09:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: hope you're using unique passwords for different services ;)
[09:12] <RichEd> highvoltage: yep ... various passwords, various strengths, nothing sensitive crosses over from a public to private space
[09:32] <RichEd> hello ogra ... how's things ?
[09:33] <RichEd> highvoltage: busy with the kosher email now ... is there a Ubuntu community page that shows country loco teams ?
[09:34] <ogra> fine
[09:34] <ogra> just set up my ltsp minilab ... but the net connection here sucks
[09:34] <ogra> luckily i dont have to care for ltsp development :)
[09:35] <RichEd> well not for much longer :) after the fest, all responsibilities will fall away, no ?
[09:37] <ogra> yup, on the wiki
[09:41] <RichEd> tx ogra : looking now
[11:07] <looksaus> I haven't installed edubuntu yet, but I do have quite a bit of experience with simple Debian+LTSP setups
[11:08] <looksaus> I wonder if there is a special ldap administration tool for edubuntu
[11:08] <looksaus> could someone enlighten me on that?
[11:09] <RichEd> hi looksaus
[11:09] <looksaus> hi RichEd 
[11:10] <RichEd> you've chosen a busy week ... the dev guys are mostly wrapped up in a coding sprint at Wiesbaden
[11:10] <looksaus> oh... nice to hear there's work being done:)
[11:11] <RichEd> you are welcome to ask here, but you would probably get a better response from edubuntu-devel maillist
[11:11] <looksaus> ok
[11:11] <RichEd> do you need details ?
[11:11] <looksaus> a url would be nice
[11:11] <RichEd> brb
[11:13] <RichEd> here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[11:13] <RichEd> and here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
[11:14] <RichEd> also try a search across the wiki.ubuntu & help.ubuntu ... here's a good google way of searching all at once:
[11:15] <RichEd> google input [+site:ubuntu.com +ldap administration tool] 
[11:15] <RichEd> google input [+site:edubuntu.com +ldap administration tool] 
[11:21] <looksaus> thx!
[11:29] <kwak> hello room
[11:30] <kwak> anybody awake?
[11:30] <RichEd> hi kwak ... some people here ... but it's quiet : dev sprint week
[11:35] <kwak> oic
[11:36] <kwak> but people may answer my question right? im new to ubuntu, been using k12ltsp for 2 years now.
[11:36] <kwak> and wanted to switch
[11:38] <kwak> i wanted to know how to configure LTSP? is it ltspcfg?
[11:39] <kwak> and what is the root password? i can't change to root. 
[11:56] <kwak> i wanted to know how to configure LTSP? is it ltspcfg?
[12:06] <RichEd> hi kwak ... sorry been busy in email
[12:06] <RichEd> are you using Ubuntu or Edubuntu ?
[12:11] <RichEd> kwak: ping .. check private window
[12:12] <kwak> edubuntu
[12:43] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[12:43] <ubotu> I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 33m 38s ago, quiting: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)
[12:49] <RichEd> cbx33: hi :)
[12:49] <RichEd> da boys are coding ...
[12:49] <RichEd> and network connections seem to be going up ... and down and up and down ...
[12:50] <RichEd> more so than even divine brown in the back of a taxi
[12:50] <RichEd> good news from my side is that Will van der Leij is happy to take over case study etc. and manage
[12:51] <RichEd> he is keen as he has a personal interest in information collation & management
[12:51] <RichEd> as soon as I can get my big project email under control ... i'll be kicking off a high-level project plan which will will take over
[12:56] <juliux> morning
[12:56] <juliux> does somebody knows if this thinclient is working with linux ? http://cgi.ebay.de/Wyse-Winterm-3200LE-Thin-Client_W0QQitemZ250019949152QQihZ015QQcategoryZ8075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[12:59] <kwak> juliux: what's the specs of that thin client?
[12:59] <juliux> kwak, they have pxe
[01:00] <kwak> if it has PXE, it should work
[01:00] <kwak> what is the NIC?
[01:01] <kwak> you may check NICs here. etherboot.com and http://rom-o-matic.net/
[01:02] <juliux> ah ok
[01:02] <juliux> i know that i can sue etherboot
[01:03] <juliux> kwak, i will call wyse in germany ;)
[01:06] <P3L|C4N0> Features and Specifications (The Winterm 3200LE)  http://wyse.vecmar.com/winterm/products/productpage.asp?pid=4769
[01:13] <juliux> P3L|C4N0, i found something form wyse but the important things are missing :(
[01:30] <kwak> like what?
[01:30] <juliux> like the nic 
[01:30] <juliux> or the ram type
[01:31] <juliux> and on the offical website is nothing about pxe :(
[01:32] <kwak> well just contact them
[01:33] <kwak> got to go.
[01:51] <cbx33> RichEd, cool, sounds great
[01:51] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[01:52] <cbx33> ogra, finished the kill/execute dbus functions in scp
[01:52] <cbx33> also added a little something extra
[01:52] <cbx33> if you get a sec take a look, I have commented out a bloc of c ode in my repo, just so I can test locally without an LTSP server
[01:52] <cbx33> the exec function is primitive, but working
[01:53] <cbx33> I'm thinking we could have a kinda list of apps to start like when you goto open a file that is of an unknown type
[01:53] <cbx33> lemme know your thougts
[01:57] <gfxstyler> hi
[01:57] <gfxstyler> someone alive? 
[01:58] <cbx33> gfxstyler, yup
[01:58] <gfxstyler> cool
[01:58] <cbx33> but I won't be for long :p
[01:58] <cbx33> making lunch
[01:58] <gfxstyler> i have a question related to that thin client thingy,you know about that stuff?
[01:58] <cbx33> yeh
[01:58] <gfxstyler> does it create a user on the server (with own directory) for each client?
[01:58] <cbx33> no
[01:58] <cbx33> define client
[01:59] <cbx33> if by client you mean each machine?
[01:59] <cbx33> then no
[01:59] <gfxstyler> a computer which connects to the server
[01:59] <gfxstyler> yes
[01:59] <gfxstyler> its not a requirement
[01:59] <cbx33> users are users just like on any machine
[01:59] <cbx33> sorry, any network should #I say
[01:59] <gfxstyler> but they dont have to have any harddisk 
[01:59] <cbx33> the clients do not have a user
[01:59] <cbx33> nope
[01:59] <cbx33> they all use the server
[01:59] <cbx33> there is a "common" harddisk
[01:59] <gfxstyler> so i set up the server and its like all users use the server? 
[02:00] <cbx33> called the NFS root
[02:00] <cbx33> yes
[02:00] <cbx33> gtg
[02:00] <cbx33> bbiab
[02:00] <gfxstyler> see you later!
[02:00] <gfxstyler> bye
[02:01] <cbx33> any more questions quikc?
[02:01] <gfxstyler> nope thats all :) 
[02:01] <cbx33> ok
[02:01] <gfxstyler> edubuntu seems to be perfect for my needs
[02:01] <cbx33> give it a go
[02:01] <cbx33> it's is a very cool system
[02:01] <gfxstyler> im downloading + burning the cd 
[02:01] <willvdl> hear hear
[02:04] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[02:04] <rodarvus> hey cbx33 
[02:04] <cbx33> SCP spec is about 3/4 done :D
[02:05] <gfxstyler> hey
[02:05] <gfxstyler> do you think an amd athlon xp 2200+ is enough to power 25 thin clients?
[02:05] <rodarvus> cbx33, nice!
[02:05] <rodarvus> keep up the good work!
[02:05] <cbx33> gfxstyler, possibly
[02:05] <juliux> gfxstyler, how much ram the server has?
[02:05] <cbx33> juliux, was just about to ask that
[02:05] <gfxstyler> the server has yet to be built :) 
[02:06] <gfxstyler> i have 2 spare 2200+ and one 3200+ available 
[02:06] <gfxstyler> but i have no mainboard supporting the 3200+ 
[02:06] <cbx33> use the 3200 :D
[02:06] <cbx33> then it'll kick ass
[02:06] <gfxstyler> + the 3200+ gets _damn_ hot 
[02:06] <juliux> gfxstyler, i have an xp 2400+ with 2.5GB ram and the maximum was 22thin clients
[02:06] <gfxstyler> damn
[02:06] <gfxstyler> okay so i guess i'll give the 3200+ to my school 
[02:06] <gfxstyler> hurts in my heart, lol
[02:07] <juliux> gfxstyler, use and athlon64 if you want to buy a new cpu
[02:07] <gfxstyler> i didnt use it for a few years but still ...
[02:08] <cbx33> gfxstyler, is this running in an already linux envrionment?
[02:08] <gfxstyler> nope
[02:08] <cbx33> windows?
[02:08] <gfxstyler> every computer currently uses its own breezy system
[02:08] <cbx33> ahhhh
[02:08] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:08] <gfxstyler> and gets managed with a script
[02:08] <gfxstyler> home directory gets cleared on boot and replaced with a configuration backup made by me 
[02:09] <gfxstyler> so the pupils dont mess up the system 
[02:10] <gfxstyler> which worked quite well so far, but its too slow 
[02:10] <gfxstyler> and the idiots complained about "what? where is the start-button? where is the windows icon? omg omg! and where is internet explorer!!" 
[02:11] <gfxstyler> lol
[02:26] <cbx33> gfxstyler, hehaha
[02:27] <cbx33> I started a Young Linux Users Groups at the school I work at
[02:27] <cbx33> they love is
[02:27] <cbx33> it
[02:27] <gfxstyler> w00t
[02:27] <gfxstyler> good idea
[02:27] <gfxstyler> i should recommend that 
[02:27] <cbx33> I'm hoping to expand it this year to a 25 computer lab
[02:27] <gfxstyler> a linux work group
[02:27] <cbx33> yeh
[02:28] <cbx33> we meet up twice a week
[02:28] <cbx33> at lunch times, and discuss linux and free software
[02:28] <cbx33> we are still on windows mostly 
[02:28] <gfxstyler> first i'd have to clear some facts (prejudices about linux) 
[02:28] <cbx33> I have a dual boot system with windows as the first, and the other is the NFS boot #LTSP edubuntu
[02:28] <cbx33> gfxstyler, yup
[02:29] <gfxstyler> its really hard to get people to linux here because they think its hard and for freaks only and windows is said to be way better and faster 
[02:29] <cbx33> I've given out over 30 ubuntu discs at the school
[02:29] <gfxstyler> and they measure computer speed = bootup time 
[02:29] <cbx33> yup
[02:29] <gfxstyler> 50 discs here :) 
[02:29] <cbx33> nice
[02:29] <gfxstyler> all i got
[02:29] <gfxstyler> mean, i want one, too 
[02:29] <cbx33> right I'm off - nice talking to you gfxstyler 
[02:30] <cbx33> hope to see youn around soon
[02:30] <gfxstyler> see you cbx33! 
[02:30] <gfxstyler> yeah
[02:30] <cbx33> bb in about 4-5 hours 
[02:33] <juliux> hi jsgotangco 
[02:33] <RichEd> hi jsgotangco :)
[02:35] <jsgotangco> hello juliux! hello RichEd!
[02:35] <RichEd> jsgotangco: we have a Canonical phone meeting tomorrow with Intel ... you are on the agenda !
[02:36] <RichEd> jsgotangco: feeling rested ?
[02:36] <jsgotangco> very
[02:36] <jsgotangco> no net access for 3 days is bliss
[02:37] <RichEd> jsgotangco: i'll need to confirm some stuff with you before the meeting .. will you be around in 30 mins ?
[02:37] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:37] <RichEd> cool ... juliux you wanted me earlier ?
[02:38] <juliux> RichEd, when ever you want ;)
[02:38] <juliux> RichEd, i am a student i have time
[02:38] <RichEd> give me 5 for a coffee in and coffee out (reverse order)
[02:39] <juliux> hehe
[02:50] <RichEd> jsgotangco: my brain is fried too much multi-tasking ... did i send you intel links in IRC last week, or in an email ?
[02:50] <jsgotangco> yes you sent me an email
[02:51] <RichEd> thanks ... i'll dig it out
[03:24] <RichEd> jsgotangco: got a quick 5 mins for me ?
[03:25] <jsgotangco> RichEd: go for it
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello
[03:48] <sbalneav> Morning bddebian 
[03:48] <bddebian> Hi sbalneav
[03:49] <sbalneav> Ogra's at the sprint I see!
[03:49] <bddebian> sbalneav: Got Ubuntu running on that zx81 yet? ;-P
[04:09] <jsgotangco> sprint?
[04:10] <hkrug1> hi i'm experienced in using ubuntu and just installed my first edubuntu 6.06.1 server. Unfortunately there were several problems most importantly: sudo does not work. The user created during installation can login on the server, but not execute sudo. What can I do ?
[04:11] <sbalneav> jsgotangco: I beleive there's an ubuntu code sprint somewhere in east Europe.  I think I know the name but I'd probably get it horribly wrong.
[04:12] <sbalneav> bddebian: heh, with 16 k of ram, I think it might be a bit tough :)
[04:12] <jsgotangco> oh yeah in germany
[04:17] <hkrug1> Nobody out there who knows why sudo does not work just after installing edubuntu 6.06.1 ??
[04:18] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:20] <sbalneav> hkrug1: have you logged in as the user who you entered during the install, or are you trying to sudo from a different user?
[04:20] <RichEd> hkrug1: can you be more specific "does not work"
[04:20] <hkrug1> I logged in as the user whom I entered during the install.
[04:20] <RichEd> yep ...
[04:21] <sbalneav> what happens when you try to sudo?
[04:21] <hkrug1> Then I tried sudo (more exact: thried to installed the available updates)
[04:21] <RichEd> and when you try sudo [password rejected / operates as normal user / machine bursts into flame] 
[04:21] <hkrug1> An error message appears
[04:21] <RichEd> hi sbalneav :)
[04:21] <sbalneav> Could you give us the exact error message?
[04:21] <hkrug1> Any further time I try sudo: simply nothing, no message
[04:21] <sbalneav> Morning RichEd 
[04:22] <hkrug1> To give you the exact message I have to reboot the system, because the message appears only once. I'm doing this right now.
[04:22] <sbalneav> oh just wait
[04:22] <sbalneav> lets try something else quickly first
[04:22] <sbalneav> Or have you already started?
[04:22] <hkrug1> Already reboots ;-)
[04:22] <sbalneav> ah, ok, well, we'll get it in a second then.
[04:23] <hkrug1> now its up - i log into it
[04:23] <sbalneav> ok
[04:23] <sbalneav> Lets start a terminal
[04:23] <sbalneav> application->accessories->terminal
[04:23] <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
[04:23] <hkrug1> done
[04:23] <sbalneav> How's the sprint?
[04:23] <sbalneav> ok, lets type this:
[04:23] <sbalneav> sudo su -
[04:24] <hkrug1> sudo su - .. it requires password ... i give the password
[04:24] <hkrug1> but I'm I not root
[04:24] <hkrug1> no error message
[04:24] <sbalneav> ok, type 'id' and paste the results
[04:24] <RichEd> sbalneav: thanks ... i've got to get into a phone conference in 5 mins ... appreciate the help
[04:25] <ogra> sbalneav: hey
[04:25] <hkrug1> cannot past because other system:
[04:25] <ogra> got myself a usb floppy today
[04:25] <sbalneav> ok, does it say something like:
[04:25] <sbalneav> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[04:25] <sbalneav> ogra: Cool.
[04:25] <ogra> well ...
[04:25] <hkrug1> uid=1000(holgerkrug) gid=1000(holgerkrug) groups=4(adm),.....116(admin)...
[04:25] <sbalneav> ok
[04:25] <sbalneav> lets do this:
[04:26] <ogra> sbalneav: alaska is cool ... that thing rather disappointing 
[04:26] <sbalneav> getent group admin
[04:26] <ogra> *is
[04:26] <hkrug1> admin:x:116:holgerkrug
[04:26] <sbalneav> Hmmmm
[04:26] <hkrug1> Hmmmmmm
[04:27] <hkrug1> maybe I shall boot a live cd and then check the contents of /etc/sudoers ?
[04:27] <ogra> did you try sudo -s or sudo -i ?
[04:28] <hkrug1> ogra: not, tried them now: both do simply *nothing*
[04:28] <sbalneav> ogra: sudo doesn't have something dumb like a limit of 8 char usernames, does it? :(
[04:28] <ogra> nope
[04:28] <jsgotangco> doh it doesn't afaik
[04:29] <hkrug1> if I remember correct: I already used the same username on an ubuntu box
[04:29] <hkrug1> sudo worked then
[04:29] <sbalneav> ogra: what's up with the floppy?  With a usb floppy you'll have to plug it in with the floppy already in the drive.
[04:29] <sbalneav> ogra: usb floppies are hopelessly ick.
[04:30] <sbalneav> boot with a live cd, and lets check the sudoers file.
[04:30] <hkrug1> OK going to boot dapper
[04:31] <sbalneav> I can't see what might have gone wrong, everything look ok, and of course, we can't see the sudoers file without a sudo :(
[04:31] <hkrug1> only sudoers can see sudoers
[04:31] <sbalneav> :
[04:31] <sbalneav> :)
[04:33] <hkrug1> only sudoers and dapper drakes can see sudoers, lets see what the drake will tell use ;-)
[04:38] <hkrug1> actually the drake has problems maybe with the sata raid
[04:40] <hkrug1> but the drake solved the problems
[04:40] <ogra> sbalneav: teh usbfloppy woud be fine if it would actually appear as a floppy with the udev line you gave me ;) we'll need to check for ID_TYPE instead 
[04:40] <hkrug1> sudoers: root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:40] <hkrug1> thats all
[04:40] <hkrug1> no very many sudoers out there in edubuntu 6.06.1
[04:40] <sbalneav> ogra: ah, no, that udev lines for legacy floppies.
[04:41] <sbalneav> I didn't do anything for usb floppies.
[04:41] <ogra> sbalneav: i'd like to find a generic way ....
[04:41] <sbalneav> hkrug1: ok
[04:41] <ogra> ${ID_TYPE} seems the way to go
[04:41] <sbalneav> lets change it to:
[04:41] <sbalneav> hkrug1: add the following line:
[04:41] <sbalneav> %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:42] <sbalneav> That means anyone in the admin group should get sudo access.
[04:42] <sbalneav> ogra: The problem with floppies is, ID_TYPE only gets set when the ^%(&@% disk's in the drive :(
[04:42] <ogra> how did that file end up like that ? did you ever open it without visudo ? 
[04:43] <ogra> (never ever use a normal editor to edit it)
[04:43] <hkrug1> I know but how to change sudoers ? chmod +w and afterwards chmod -w ?
[04:43] <ogra> hkrug1: sudo visudo
[04:44] <sbalneav> ogra: We had to special case usb floppies with the rule: KERNEL=="sd[a-z] ",      SYSFS{bInterfaceSubClass}=="04", in "stock" ltsp.  Which is gross.
[04:44] <hkrug1> ls -l sudoers results in : -r--r-------
[04:44] <sbalneav> but it worked.
[04:44] <ogra> from a livecd: sudo chroot /root/where/you/mounted/the/HD
[04:44] <ogra> and then sudo visudo
[04:44] <ogra> sbalneav: sounds good
[04:45] <ogra> i first have to track a HW error that causes the kernel to create 7 devices for it :P
[04:45] <sbalneav> oh, yeah, that's ANOTHER problem with usb floppies :)
[04:45] <ogra> well, not with all of them apparently 
[04:46] <sbalneav> floppies are the WORST thing ever.  No media detection, bad standards, unreliable.... yechhh
[04:46] <ogra> and i guess we'll get a bunch of users that have more recent HW that even uses usb floppies
[04:46] <sbalneav> but, unfortunately, they're still used alot.
[04:46] <ogra> yep
[04:47] <sbalneav> you'd probably want something like:
[04:47] <ogra> i think the idea of hving a permanent icon available is fine ... but we should also have the possibility to use usb floppies ...
[04:48] <sbalneav> ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd[a-z] ", SYSFS{bInterfaceSubClass}=="04", SYMLINK+="floppy", RUN+=that bit I sent you.
[04:49] <sbalneav> You at the sprint?  Talked to pitti at all?
[04:49] <sbalneav> I haven't heard anything back on the latest iteration of lbmount.
[04:49] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[04:50] <sbalneav> So, he's either not looked at it, or I've so completely floored him with my stunning code prowess that I've left him speechless.
[04:50] <ogra> sbalneav: well, pitti is rather busy, but we'll find some time to talk
[04:50] <sbalneav> I'm assuming it's the first choice :)
[04:51] <ogra> i talked to colin though, and he'll look again into the ssh cipher=none stuff but the suggestion came up to rather use xdmcp with kerberos enabled for the people having performance issues
[04:53] <hkrug1> OK, it probably will work now. Shall I report this as a bug ?
[04:53] <hkrug1> Thanks for your help!
[04:53] <sbalneav> :( that makes localdev go away though.  At least the way we did it.  I can put some thought to it.  Jammcq and I had a conversation last night.  I know you're busy with the sprint, I'll send you an email later tonight.  Bottom line: lets park that option until edgy+1/upstream/september ltsp hackathon.
[04:53] <ogra> hkrug1: how did the file end up that way ?
[04:54] <sbalneav> It seemed to be that way right from the install.
[04:54] <sbalneav> I've never seen it before.
[04:54] <hkrug1> yes it was right after the install
[04:54] <ogra> sbalneav: well, you cant have everything, as i understood you that ssh cipher stuff is only an issue with very low specced HW ...
[04:55] <ogra> i wouldnt want the localdev overhead there anyway
[04:55] <sbalneav> It'd be interesting (if you have time) to re-do the install, keeping careful note of installation prompts and answers, and see if it does it a second time.  If it does, it'd be handy to file a bug, yes.
[04:56] <sbalneav> Sorry, that last one was for hkrug1 
[04:56] <hkrug1> there was almost no installation prompt - it was all quite smooth
[05:10] <hkrug1> ciao and thanks again
[06:12] <ogra> sbalneav: found the nautilus piece .... its a 5 line patch to supress the eject/unmount item :)
[06:12] <sbalneav> Oh!
[06:12] <sbalneav> Cool!
[06:12] <sbalneav> How about the double-icon piece?
[06:14] <ogra> thats scheduled for tomorrow
[06:14] <ogra> it happens with floppies as well btw :)
[06:15] <ogra> we'll target it together with the "only owner shall see devices" bug :)
[06:16] <ogra> hmm, actually the nautilus thing turns out to be a two liner only *g*
[06:16] <ogra> oh, i whish i could use xchat ... irssi is awful ... 
[06:16] <sbalneav> Why can't you use xchat
[06:16] <sbalneav> ?
[06:16] <ogra> but we're K-Lined from here or the port is blocked or something ...
[06:17] <sbalneav> ah
[06:17] <sbalneav> That sucks
[06:17] <ogra> i can only ssh into one of my servers and chat from there
[06:17] <sbalneav> heh, they let ssh through, but not xchat?
[06:17] <ogra> ok, BenC is fixing the floppy bug for usb floppies ...
[06:17] <ogra> yeah
[06:17] <ogra> dont ask
[06:17] <sbalneav> OK, I wont :)
[06:18] <ogra> we're connected via a 2M stadard dsl line and have only one wireless uplink ... took us until this afternoon to get that even working
[06:18] <ogra> i.e. building a kind of a wireless bridge
[06:19] <ogra> but it had the advantage that i had to buy the wlan card we needed for that and they had this usb floppy as special offer ;)
[06:19] <sbalneav> ouch.  Hackfest with no internet access :)
[06:20] <ogra> well, i dont need to care as ltsp hacker ;) i have my network always with me ;)
[06:20] <sbalneav> :)
[06:25] <Amaranth> ogra: I have a feeling you're hitting the "more than 3 users from the same IP" problem
[06:25] <Amaranth> ogra: ask nalioth or seveas to get it removed during the sprint
[06:26] <Amaranth> oops, my advisor just walked in, back later
[06:26] <Seveas> ogra, ip address changed again?
[06:26] <Seveas> ogra, lilo whitelisted the ip from yesterday and earlier today
[06:28] <Seveas> in fact, seb128 and probably others are still connected on that ip
[06:33] <ogra> Seveas: no, the port over here seems blocked
[06:38] <Seveas> ogra, hmm -- connection refused?
[06:40] <ogra> yep
[07:00] <Seveas> ogra, oddly enough others can connect -- I forwarded it to lilo
[07:02] <willvdl> hmmm, never new Ghana had such a strong OSS drive
[07:07] <Seveas> ogra, could you try to connect to freenode again from the conference site on port 6667 and 8001 -- lilo says it should be working now
[07:14] <ogra> sbalneav: !!!!!!
[07:14] <ogra> nautilus done !!
[07:21] <ogra> Seveas: no go
[07:22] <ogra> (for 6667)
[07:25] <ogra> ok, 8001 works
[07:26] <LaserJock> I use 8001 because of my nice uni port blocking :-)
[07:27] <Seveas> ogra, could you tell that to others around there with connection problems
[07:27] <ogra> yep
[07:27] <Seveas> I'm yelling at lilo already ;)
[07:27] <ogra> will do, thanks 
[07:28] <ogra> the connection refused message came way to fast for being the freenode server ... dont yell at him .... i#m prett ysure its blocked here
[08:03] <willvdl> http://www.csis.org/images/stories/tech/060627_open_source_policies.pdf
[09:22] <Petaris> ogra: how do I re-disable the root account?
[09:32] <Burgwork> Petaris, remove the password
[09:33] <Petaris> Burgwork: ok
[09:33] <Petaris> and thankd
[09:33] <Petaris> er, thanks
[09:33] <Burgwork> Petaris, I believe ubuntu sets it to a ! or something like that, which acts like it is disabled. RootSudo can help you
[09:33] <Burgwork> !root
[09:33] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:39] <Petaris> ok
[10:06] <HedgeMage> ack!
[10:06] <crimsun> bah, just give him more python bugs.
[10:09] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:09] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage!
[10:11] <HedgeMage> okay, dumb DocBook question... I'm rearranging the old Cookbook stuff to fit properly into Handbook... Cookbook has several parts with chapters in them, as does Handbook.  However, in Handbook there are some parts with distinct groups of chapters in them... what do I stick in there to seperate the groups?
[10:11] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock !
[10:16] <LaserJock> sorry, was reading something
[10:17] <HedgeMage> np
[10:17] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: you want like Part 1, Part 2, etc.?
[10:17] <HedgeMage> I already have part 1 and part 2 etc.
[10:17] <HedgeMage> can I /msg you an example so I don't flood?
[10:42] <willvdl> Hi folks
[10:48] <sbalneav> Hello
[10:52] <HedgeMage> hi willvdl 
[10:53] <sbalneav> Headin' home
[11:12] <willvdl> Is there anyone looking specifically at LAMS?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> LAMS == ?
[11:14] <willvdl> learning activity management etc.
[11:14] <willvdl> kinda like Moodle but with more oomph
[11:15] <HedgeMage> ahh
[11:16] <willvdl> well, it's not just content collaboration but a platform for activity construction/implementation/monitoring etc
[11:16] <HedgeMage> ahh
[11:16] <HedgeMage> I'm not aware of something like that, but it could probably be coded :)
[11:16] <willvdl> more pedagogy etc
[11:16] <willvdl> I think it is being coded.
[11:18] <willvdl> I know canonical have some dialogue there but haven't had time to sniff anything out yet
[11:18] <willvdl> http://www.lamsinternational.com/
[11:23] <Burgwork> willvdl, there is activity management being coded into ubuntu
[11:23] <Burgwork> it is called pyeducation
[11:23] <Burgwork> UWN covered it last week
[11:24] <willvdl> thanks. I'll check
[11:27] <willvdl> eish, managing bookmarks. taken me over 3 hours
[11:29] <willvdl> Burgundavia, do you know if there is any cross-pollination with LAMS?
[11:36] <willvdl> http://3d.aretao.com/?p=93
[11:36] <willvdl> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/27
[11:45] <HedgeMage> That's it... I give up on doing anything else productive this afternoon... time to go play with TT
[11:45] <HedgeMage> see you all later
[11:47] <willvdl> almost pumpkin time
[11:47] <willvdl> g'night