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| jamesh | lifeless: I guess ddaa is on holiday. Was there any decision on who would chair? | 12:05 |
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| jamesh | SteveA, mpool, lifeless, spiv, jamesh: is everyone here? | 12:06 |
| spiv | I'm here. | 12:06 |
| jamesh | no SteveA or mpool? | 12:08 |
| lifeless | I'll nag | 12:09 |
| jamesh | should we start without them? | 12:10 |
| lifeless | ok, mpool nagged succesfully | 12:10 |
| lifeless | I haven't nagged stevea | 12:10 |
| jamesh | well, we're almost a third of the way through the timeslot, so we should probably start. | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * roll call | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * production status | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * Smart server | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * SFTP advertising | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * vcs-import knits | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * tarball-spider | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * Python import | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * critical bugs | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * pending sysadmin tasks | 12:13 |
| jamesh | * any other business | 12:13 |
| SteveA | hi | 12:13 |
| mpool | hi | 12:13 |
| jamesh | first up is production status. Does anyone have anything to report? | 12:14 |
| SteveA | will the supermirror be down for writing when launchpad is down tomorrow? | 12:15 |
| SteveA | if so, do the right people know about it? | 12:15 |
| spiv | Yes. | 12:15 |
| jamesh | we've still got bug #53825 (input validation problems in the branch puller), but I don't think there is any new issues. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | will it fail elegantly, or inelegantly? | 12:16 |
| spiv | It will refuse authentication. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | as a future thing, can we make it refuse with a message | 12:16 |
| SteveA | like "launchpad is down for maintenance" ? | 12:16 |
| spiv | SFTP doesn't give us a nice way to say "sorry, we're down for maintenance" that I know of. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | then at some point, we should do authserver cacheing with it | 12:16 |
| SteveA | or some such | 12:16 |
| spiv | Well, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ will still be serving read-only branches ok. | 12:16 |
| SteveA | maybe that's fixed when we go to two databases | 12:17 |
| SteveA | mpool: what do you think about announcing it to the bzr list? | 12:17 |
| spiv | (unless the cronscript generating the branch name mapping goes silly when the db is down?) | 12:17 |
| SteveA | announcing the launchpad downtime, that is | 12:17 |
| lifeless | I think 2 dbs is the right fix for it | 12:17 |
| mpool | i think spiv should send a message to the list | 12:17 |
| mpool | or someone | 12:17 |
| mpool | it would be nice if it could continue in r/o mode | 12:17 |
| jamesh | spiv: looks like the rewritemap script opens the output file for writing after connecting to the DB, so assuming that fails it should be fine. | 12:18 |
| spiv | I suggested to stub at the launchpad meeting that we should point the authserver at a r/o copy of the database -- that would still allow writes to existing branches, at least, but I don't know if he's had time to do that, it may be too much to ask at short notice. | 12:19 |
| jamesh | next on the agenda is the smart server status | 12:19 |
| mpool | we kept working on it | 12:19 |
| jamesh | spiv: a read only connection to staging might be an option for that (or maybe for future downtime like this) | 12:20 |
| jamesh | so nothing new to report for smart server? | 12:20 |
| lifeless | some parts merged | 12:20 |
| lifeless | more in progress | 12:20 |
| lifeless | all conformance test passing, which means we're now in conversion mode rather than model overhaul | 12:20 |
| jamesh | cool. | 12:21 |
| jamesh | next up is SFTP advertising | 12:21 |
| jamesh | I published the team branches article last week: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/08/17/1 | 12:21 |
| jamesh | there is a note in the agenda about spiv blogging about similarities between SVN and bzr usage with checkouts | 12:22 |
| SteveA | it was well received outside of canonical, jamesh | 12:22 |
| SteveA | mgedmin read it and commented on irc about bzr looking better and better all the time | 12:22 |
| jamesh | SteveA: cool. We should check if it has a visible effect in the cricket statistics | 12:23 |
| jamesh | since it is tracking the number of team owned branches | 12:23 |
| SteveA | if the sftp server gets improved to not need --make-parents (or whatever the option is) from bzr | 12:23 |
| lifeless | we may have got another user today, olive was the linchpin for him | 12:23 |
| SteveA | then you could update the blog with that | 12:23 |
| SteveA | what does "olive was the linchpin" mean? | 12:23 |
| SteveA | sounds like secret agent codes | 12:24 |
| lifeless | as his users include only-comfortable -with-guis folk | 12:24 |
| lifeless | olive is our gui | 12:24 |
| lifeless | written as part of SoC | 12:24 |
| SteveA | i see | 12:24 |
| lifeless | KDE and GTK, known to work on windows | 12:24 |
| SteveA | it's a bit of an opaque codename | 12:24 |
| jamesh | spiv: do you think getting rid of the --make-parents requirement would be easy for someone else to do, or would it require more twisted knowledge? | 12:24 |
| spiv | jamesh: I think your analysis is probably correct -- it's probably not too hard. | 12:25 |
| jamesh | (I mean --create-prefix rather than --make-parents) | 12:25 |
| spiv | The twisted knowledge necessary should be cargo-cultable | 12:25 |
| jamesh | spiv: okay. I'll have a go at it tomorrow then. | 12:26 |
| jamesh | if I get in over my head I'll ping you. | 12:26 |
| SteveA | lifeless: imo, don't call it "olive" in public. if you have $$$$ to spend on marketing like apple, then you can call your GUI "aqua" or other cute names. | 12:27 |
| SteveA | but it's cliquey and offputting for a small project to obfuscate names, where more obvious (but boring) ones will work | 12:27 |
| jamesh | next up on the agenda is "vcs-import knits", but last week's minutes says that it was completed so I'll skip it | 12:27 |
| lifeless | SteveA: fair enough. I've had almost no involvement with it though, so I'll redirect your feedback to mpool | 12:28 |
| SteveA | thanks | 12:28 |
| mpool | in line with the other naming thread, we should just move to calling them 'bazaar gui' | 12:28 |
| mpool | they need to all technically merge together | 12:28 |
| SteveA | ah, about knits | 12:28 |
| SteveA | james troup (or another sysadmin) commented to me | 12:28 |
| SteveA | that there was a lot, a LOT, less space being used | 12:28 |
| SteveA | on the SM machine | 12:29 |
| jamesh | that's good to hear | 12:29 |
| SteveA | he was concerned that some evil data loss had occured | 12:29 |
| SteveA | so, in future, maybe warn the admins of such improvements ;-) | 12:29 |
| lifeless | heh, we did | 12:29 |
| lifeless | when we rolled it out | 12:29 |
| jamesh | next up is the script formerly known as dyson | 12:29 |
| jamesh | I landed my fixes for the last round of bugs today | 12:30 |
| SteveA | that's the... tarball non-spider? | 12:30 |
| jamesh | and renamed it to "product-release-finder" | 12:30 |
| jamesh | lifeless has asked stub to do another test run of it on staging, so we'll have more to report next week | 12:30 |
| jamesh | next is Python import. Given ddaa isn't here, I'll skip it | 12:32 |
| jamesh | unless anyone else knows the status | 12:32 |
| lifeless | noidea | 12:32 |
| jamesh | okay. On to critical bugs. | 12:32 |
| jamesh | bug 31308: Cannot set branch associated to a product series. | 12:32 |
| jamesh | Mark mailed some of us with some concerns about having two branch references in the product series, but decided that it sounded okay after I explained what we were planning | 12:33 |
| jamesh | lifeless: are you still responsible for specing this? | 12:33 |
| lifeless | nope | 12:34 |
| lifeless | last meeting ddaa said to not spec it | 12:34 |
| lifeless | or around that time | 12:34 |
| lifeless | anyhow, its now just down to implementation of the extra attribute | 12:34 |
| mpool | is david going to do that? | 12:34 |
| jamesh | last meeting's minutes says it has been assigned back to him | 12:35 |
| spiv | The bug is assigned to him. | 12:35 |
| jamesh | bug 37897: renaming project, product or series breaks vcs imports | 12:35 |
| jamesh | looks like this one is now in my review queue | 12:36 |
| jamesh | using the design discussed at the sprint | 12:36 |
| jamesh | bug 51130: cannot use +admin on a branch I own | 12:36 |
| jamesh | the branch mentioned in last minutes for this one is in BjornT's review queue | 12:37 |
| jamesh | so I guess things are looking pretty good. | 12:37 |
| jamesh | next up is pending sysadmin tasks | 12:37 |
| jamesh | is anyone blocked on sysadmin stuff? | 12:38 |
| === jamesh takes that as a no | ||
| mpool | next then? | 12:39 |
| jamesh | there are a few items listed under proposed items, but I think they are unchanged from last week. Should I go through them? | 12:39 |
| jamesh | the first is lp: URLs for bzr. | 12:40 |
| lifeless | you're the matre'd | 12:40 |
| jamesh | there have been some comments added to the spec which probably need integrating. I don't think there is much more to add. | 12:40 |
| mpool | jamesh, spiv: have you read the spec? | 12:40 |
| jamesh | mpool: yes. I added some of the comments. | 12:41 |
| spiv | mpool: not yet, I'll do that. | 12:41 |
| jamesh | mpool: it looked pretty good. The client side would be pretty easy to implement with better redirect handling in bzr :) | 12:42 |
| mpool | ok, so: ACTION: spiv, read the spec | 12:43 |
| mpool | ACTION: mbp read/integrate the comments | 12:43 |
| jamesh | next up is "important bugs according to bzr community" | 12:43 |
| mpool | i spoke to david and mark | 12:44 |
| mpool | i'll update the spec list instead | 12:44 |
| mpool | so that item is closed | 12:44 |
| jamesh | okay. | 12:44 |
| jamesh | next is "Move vcs-import data out of ProductSeries" | 12:44 |
| jamesh | I don't think there is much to add here. It probably needs a bit of specing | 12:45 |
| jamesh | next is "1.0 targets, what, who, when?" | 12:45 |
| jamesh | we've already covered the smart server work, so I assume that's on target | 12:46 |
| mpool | jamesh: do you have any 1.0 bazaar-related targets? | 12:47 |
| SteveA | does that spec about lp: urls take into account our canonical pillar names? | 12:47 |
| mpool | spiv: do you have any other ditto? | 12:47 |
| mpool | SteveA: yes | 12:47 |
| SteveA | great | 12:47 |
| mpool | https://launchpad.canonical.com/BranchIndirection | 12:47 |
| mpool | if you want to read it | 12:47 |
| SteveA | thanks | 12:47 |
| spiv | mpool: other ditto? | 12:48 |
| jamesh | mpool: I'm not working on any of the 1.0 target bazaar specs at the moment. | 12:48 |
| mpool | any lp 1.0 targets related to bazaar? | 12:48 |
| jamesh | that spec should be registered in LP ... | 12:48 |
| spiv | Oh, right. Just the smart server. | 12:49 |
| jamesh | One last thing before we finish. There was an action item from the last meeting that we haven't covered | 12:50 |
| jamesh | ACTION: spiv and ddaa to review PrivateBranches again | 12:50 |
| jamesh | spiv: is that still a todo? | 12:50 |
| spiv | Yes, but I've skimmed and it won't take long for me to do. | 12:51 |
| jamesh | okay. I think that's it. | 12:51 |
| jamesh | Meeting ends. | 12:51 |
| lifeless | thanks for chairing | 12:51 |
| SteveA | thanks jamesh | 12:51 |
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