[01:01] <bluefoxicy> I still don't have DMA... does anyone else not have DMA?
[01:01] <bluefoxicy> Linux icebox 2.6.17-6-686 #2 SMP Fri Aug 11 22:09:15 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:01] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy: file a bug
[01:01] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  I think I did a long time ago
[01:01] <Burgundavia> it should be enabled on all machines that are known to support it
[01:01] <Burgundavia> then update teh bug with edgy information
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> Burgundavia:  the issue was on edgy I had DMA until a certain point, then it just vanished.
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> and I want to see if anyone else is noticing this, particularly with SATA
[01:03] <bluefoxicy> bug #55346 if anyone else gets any information on this.
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55346 in linux-source-2.6.17 "libata + sata == nodma" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55346
[01:20] <ProN00b> who is maintaining the bmp package ?
[01:20] <ProN00b> sorry
[01:20] <ProN00b> i mean the beep-media-player package
[01:21] <ajmitch> ProN00b: it's in universe, so file a bug if you want anything done on it
[01:34] <ProN00b> who can confirm bugs ?
[01:35] <LaserJock> I think anybody can
[01:37] <sladen> ProN00b: preferably anyone who isn't the person originally reporting it
[01:37] <ProN00b> i don't see a confirm button
[01:42] <sladen> ProN00b: click on the package-name, it'll drop down and then you'll get another drop down
[01:56] <\sh> moins
[01:56] <zul_> hey \sh
[02:09] <\sh> do we have some issues with the thread lib in edgy? It looks like...http://librarian.launchpad.net/3953539/_usr_bin_wine-preloader.1000.crash
[03:27] <bluefoxicy> double strength thrusters work wonders in high gravity environments.
[03:27] <infinity> ...
[03:27] <bddebian> heh
[03:40] <TheMuso> c
[03:43] <bddebian> They TheMuso
[03:43] <bddebian> Err s/They/Hey/
[05:35] <eean> hi, I'm a developer of Amarok wondering about your open ports policy.
[05:35] <eean> what do you all do with Banshee's daap server
[05:39] <Burgundavia> eean: we don't ship banshee
[05:39] <eean> haha crap
[05:39] <Burgundavia> eean: if we did, we would turn it off by default, like we do rb's
[05:39] <eean> do you turn off rb's client?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> eean: hmm, no idea. I don't use rb
[05:41] <Burgundavia> eean: best way to find out is to try it
[05:41] <Burgundavia> I think we do
[05:41] <eean> I don't use ubuntu
[05:41] <Burgundavia> we have livecds
[05:41] <Burgundavia> they are the same code
[05:42] <eean> lol
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> could you guys get me some PIC assembly for ppc32, ppc64, sparc, sparc64, and x86-64?
[08:10] <bluefoxicy> or actually
[08:11] <bluefoxicy> I can tell gcc to emit code for those right?
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> call    longfoo@PLT
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> crud I can't.  >:|
[08:57] <desrt> hello
[09:01] <Hobbsee> hi pitti 
[09:03] <pitti> Hi Hobbsee 
[09:41] <simira> mjg59: present? Are you aware of any problems with resume from suspend/hibernate from Knot 1?
[09:47] <sivang> morning
[09:48] <ulaas> text refresh problem on gtk widgets. is that a known issue?
[09:48] <simira> mjg59: nevermind, I'll clear out those 20 which are reported...
[10:20] <ulaas> text refresh problem on gtk widgets. is that a known issue?
[10:20] <ulaas> and it is not gtk widgets
[10:20] <Fujitsu> ulaas, Edgy with Nvidia?
[10:20] <ulaas> i think it is pango
[10:20] <ulaas> yep
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Yep, known.
[10:20] <ulaas> ok
[10:20] <Fujitsu> ABI change in Xorg 7.1 means glyph rendering is a little dodgy with the Nvidia binary driver.
[10:21] <ulaas> Fujitsu: workarounds?
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Change to a different driver (ie. nv). If you want 3D acceleration, you're stuck for the moment.
[10:24] <ulaas> Fujitsu: thanks. is there a bug entry so that i can register myself?
[10:24] <Fujitsu> Yes, just wait a second, I'll find it.
[10:26] <Fujitsu> Bug #55802, I believe.
[10:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55802 in xorg-server "nvidia not compatible with Xorg 7.1 RENDER (Fonts don't appear in edgy)" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55802
[10:26] <sivang> re all
[10:27] <sivang> has there been a change in hal that makes it no longer detect and manipulate cdrom drives and volumes ?
[10:27] <sivang> pitti: ^^
[10:28] <pitti> sivang: not to my knowledge
[10:28] <sivang> pitti: okay, thanks. This is weird. I cna't even see the CDROM drive in hal-device-manager anymore, not to mention its volumes
[10:28] <Fujitsu> sivang, appears as SCSI?
[10:28] <pitti> sivang: does ps aux|grep hal reveal some hal-storage-addon?
[10:29] <sivang> 108       4413  0.0  0.0   2060   856 ?        S    10:40   0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-storage
[10:29] <sivang> 108       4414  0.0  0.0   2060   856 ?        S    10:40   0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-storage
[10:30] <pitti> ok, that looks fine
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Is it a SCSI/Serial ATA/USB drive, sivang?
[10:31] <sivang> Fujitsu: A T43 DVD Burner drive
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Does it appear as /dev/scd0 or hdX?
[10:31] <sivang> Fujitsu: the former
[10:32] <sivang> Fujitsu: /dev/scd0
[10:32] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> hal does odd things like that these days. I've forgotten the bug about it.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> It just doesn't see CDs from most SCSI-like CD drives.
[10:32] <Fujitsu> My laptop also suffers from it.
[10:38] <sladen> Fujitsu: this is bad, can you file a bug about it
[10:39] <sivang> Fujitsu: I see
[10:39] <sivang> Fujitsu: that's a severe bug actually, which *completely* breaks home user backup as it relies heavily on HAL cdrom detection.
[10:39] <sivang> Fujitsu: the interesting thing about this, is that from the GtkFileChooser you can still see the CDROMS without problems.
[10:40] <sivang> Fujitsu: I would have thought it also uses hal for detection, so it would break, it also responds nicely when you click it and mount CDROMS though. but it's hidden from hal-device-manager for some reason
[10:46] <sivang> Fujitsu: not a bug, I now see hal /does/ see it
[10:47] <sivang> Fujitsu: but it has different way to show scsi cdroms now...no compliance with info.category et al
[10:47] <Fujitsu> !?
[10:47] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:48] <sivang> so the device detection code now needs a mjor facelift...
[10:48] <sivang> :-(
[10:48] <Fujitsu> Yeah, mine's listed as `SCSI Device' and `SCSI General Interface'... But media isn't recognized by hal...
[10:48] <Fujitsu> sivang, this is bug #56484.
[10:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56484 in hal "hal does not detect media change in USB-DVD-Drive" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56484
[10:49] <sivang> Fujitsu: yep , this seems it
[10:49] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Because they appear as generic devices, not CD-ROM drives... This could get a little messy...
[10:50] <sivang> pitti: I consider this to be a regression, do you think it would get fixed before release? it's an issue since lots of programs use hal to detect media changes and drives...
[10:51] <sivang> Fujitsu: very messy actually. I have a carefully constructed code that relies on the identification, so either this is fixed or I Need to rewrite it 
[10:51] <Fujitsu> sivang, it is definitely a regression, and a it absolutely must be fixed.
[10:51] <Fujitsu> Totem doesn't work.
[10:51] <Fujitsu> Sound Juicer doesn't work.
[10:52] <Fujitsu> *and it
[10:52] <Fujitsu> A lot of laptops have such CD drives, and it is pretty broken for them.
[10:53] <sivang> Fujitsu: I added a comment about it to the bug report
[10:53] <sivang> Fujitsu: thanks for noting this to me
[10:54] <Fujitsu> Thankyou for adding a comment. I want this bug to receive attention, as it's fairly major. I had to install goobox to rip CDs >_<
[10:55] <sivang> Fujitsu: what's it's severity ?
[10:55] <Fujitsu> You can't play CDs because of this bug, as well.
[10:55] <Fujitsu> sivang, Untriaged at the moment...
[10:57] <sivang> Fujitsu: cofirmed now.
[10:57] <sivang> anyway, now really out.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> See you.
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Thanks for that severity!
[10:59] <Nafallo> totally pittis bug ;-)
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[11:09] <Nafallo> Keybuk: lol! libnih? :-)
[11:20] <mdke> jdub: around?
[11:24] <jdub> mdke: very briefly
[11:27] <mdke> jdub: Can you tie https://launchpad.net/products/fridge and https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-fridge together? Should only take a minute.
[12:00] <AndrewLee> Znarl: Okay, here I am.
[12:01] <Znarl> AndrewLee : Ask your question here, in full, and maybe someone here can assist you.
[12:03] <AndrewLee> I am the scim-chewing package maintainer in debian, I got several reports from ubuntu users that they cannot use scim-chewing with skype, and I think the package modification is broken in ubuntu.
[12:03] <AndrewLee> Can someone help me to fix the scim-chewing package in ubuntu, it's a default zh_TW input method, quite much people depends on it.
[12:23] <sladen> AndrewLee: do you have any bug reports to look at?
[12:24] <sladen> AndrewLee: skype is Qt and probably statically compliled if they've just downloaded it.  Would it be built with the necessary accessibility/input hooks?
[12:24] <AndrewLee> sladen: I think the package should keep the same as my debian package, souldn't be modicatied that way.
[12:25] <sladen> AndrewLee: it depends, if it's to fix bugs, ... :)
[12:25] <AndrewLee> sladen: I think someone modicated it in a wrong way
[12:26] <sladen> AndrewLee: that very likely yes.  Is 'scim-chewing' a separate package from 'scim'
[12:26] <AndrewLee> sladen: scim-chewing is just a module of scim, so it shouldn't install im-switch's configure file itself. And I guess the problem is in the configure file.
[12:27] <AndrewLee> sladen: scim-chewing is depends on scim, so only scim need im-switch's configure file.
[12:27] <sladen> AndrewLee: there's 5 deltas with the Debian package at the moment, most of them seem to be GTK 2.10 related
[12:28] <AndrewLee> sladen: Where can I check the deltas?
[12:29] <AndrewLee> sladen: I used to can see the patch on http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/scim-chewing.html
[12:29] <AndrewLee> sladen: But now the file is not found
[12:29] <sladen> AndrewLee: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/scim-chewing/scim-chewing_0.3.1-1ubuntu3/changelog
[12:31] <sladen> AndrewLee: "Hou ZhengPeng" I think is <freeflying> and is the person who's made the changes to -chewing
[12:31] <sladen> freeflying: ^^ can you talk to AndrewLee about the scim-chewing changes you've uploaded in edgy
[12:31] <AndrewLee> sladen: Only changelog doesn't help much for the problem. And it's a big problem in dapper already, how to make a upgrade or backport for dapper?
[12:32] <sladen> AndrewLee: is this broken in dapper ("6.06 LTS"), or edgy (development)?
[12:32] <HiddenWolf> sladen, 6.06.1 ;)
[12:32] <Nafallo> or both...
[12:32] <AndrewLee> sladen: It's in dapper, but I think might be both.
[12:33] <sladen> AndrewLee: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/scim-chewing/scim-chewing_0.2.1-2ubuntu4/changelog  is the changelog for the dapper version
[12:33] <AndrewLee> sladen: 0.2.1 is a broken version in upstream
[12:34] <AndrewLee> sladen: 0.3.1 is a working version
[12:34] <AndrewLee> sladen: So I suggest to upgrade to 0.3.1 whatever.
[12:34] <jono> any docs people here?
[12:34] <AndrewLee> sladen: And the check the conffile stuffs.
[12:35] <jono> I know mdke :)
[12:35] <AndrewLee> sladen: s/the/then/
[12:36] <sladen> jono: mdke Burgwork robitaille ... try  #ubuntu-doc  and  https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc
[12:36] <AndrewLee> Is it possible to upgrade scim-chewing in stable release?
[12:36] <jono> ahhh cool
[12:36] <jono> thanks sladen 
[12:37] <azeem> jono: heya
[12:37] <sladen> AndrewLee: it's unlikely as it's a released stable release.  However if it's a major issue a case can be made for it then it might be possible.  More likely is that we can backport a small number of required patches in a non-intrusive way
[12:37] <azeem> jono: Do you know whether there is interest by the Ubuntu community to have a booth at the Systems expo in Munich in late October?
[12:37] <jono> azeem, hey
[12:37] <jono> azeem, would be good to talk to a LoCo team to see if we can do something :)
[12:38] <jono> azeem, would be awesome to be there :)
[12:38] <AndrewLee> sladen: Hum, but from 0.2.1 to 0.3.1 isn't very small.
[12:38] <azeem> jono: do you know who is active to this respect in the german LoCo team?
[12:38] <AndrewLee> sladen: But without the changes, default zh_TW input method is useless.
[12:39] <sladen> AndrewLee: then it can probably be done as patches :)   It appears to jump a version, how large is the diff.
[12:39] <jono> azeem, not off hand, I am still getting to know the different chunks of community
[12:39] <azeem> okie
[12:39] <sladen> AndrewLee: the problem is that importing a a chunk of brand new code is not necessaryily better than just leaving broken tested code there
[12:39] <jono> azeem, maybe try http://www.ubuntuusers.de/
[12:39] <AndrewLee> sladen: The libchewing also needs to be upgrade 
[12:40] <sladen> AndrewLee: "needs".  Do you mean that libchewing would have to be upgraded if -chewing was upgraded from 0.3.1
[12:40] <sladen> AndrewLee: how big is the delta between 0.2.1 and 0.3.1 --- you said it wasn't that big?
[12:41] <AndrewLee> sladen: Yes, it was a wrong design in 0.2.1.
[12:41] <AndrewLee> sladen: It's quite big I think(for the program)
[12:41] <sladen> AndrewLee: how wrong, is it usable at all, or completely unusable
[12:41] <sladen> AndrewLee: what sort of issues are broken.  Is it just related to skype?
[12:42] <AndrewLee> sladen: 0.2.1 has a big problem, not only for skype
[12:42] <sladen> AndrewLee: yes, but _what_ big problem
[12:43] <sladen> AndrewLee: some help in narrowing it down to know what we're discussing is probably a good idea :)
[12:43] <AndrewLee> sladen: 0.2.1 has a problem in hash data file. So the input method is often canot type 
[12:44] <AndrewLee> sladen: It make the input method look fine, but cannot type any Chinese character.
[12:45] <sladen> azeem: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-de  is probably the place to start.  yes, it would be great to have an Ubuntu/Kubuntu prescense, and given that it's German, the Kubuntu lot will probably out number everything else :)
[12:45] <sladen> AndrewLee: so the bug is  "scim-chewing cannot enter any Chinese character"
[12:45] <AndrewLee> sladen: Yes
[12:46] <AndrewLee> sladen: Doesn't that big enough for a Chinese input method?
[12:48] <sladen> AndrewLee: can you rephrase that, I don't understand "Doesn't that big"
[12:49] <pitti> hey seb128 
[12:49] <seb128> hey pitti :)
[12:49] <pitti> seb128: *hug*
[12:49] <AndrewLee> sladen: I mean it's big
[12:50] <AndrewLee> sladen: A Chinese input method but cannot type Chinese characters.
[12:51] <sladen> AndrewLee: I've opened a bug report, can you expand it  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scim-chewing/+bug/57081
[12:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57081 in scim-chewing "scim-chewing cannot enter any Chinese character" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[12:52] <sladen> AndrewLee: do you have pointers to the BTS numbers that related to the issue that you've had reported
[12:53] <AndrewLee> sladen: I was mentioned that as a known problem in README.Debian
[12:54] <sladen> AndrewLee: okay, can you include that in your update to the bug report
[12:55] <sladen> AndrewLee: as it sounds useful
[12:55] <AndrewLee> sladen: Let me try, I only used launchpad a time ago for register a mirror site.
[12:56] <sladen> AndrewLee: what email address did you signup with?
[12:56] <AndrewLee> sladen: I forgot my password already.
[12:57] <AndrewLee> sladen: andrew@linux.org.tw
[12:57] <sladen> AndrewLee: there's 6 "Andrew Lee"'s in Launchpad already :)
[12:57] <AndrewLee> sladen: err
[01:03] <AndrewLee> sladen: Could you please update the bug first? I am still trying to recovery my password, seems it will take a while cause my mail server is using greylist.
[01:08] <sladen> AndrewLee: done
[01:08] <AndrewLee> sladen: thanks
[01:09] <AndrewLee> sladen: I am going home for dinner, talk to you later.
[01:26] <geser> hello
[01:26] <geser> is someone here familiar with gcj?
[01:26] <geser> i'm trying to rebuild pdftk against libgcj7-0
[01:27] <carlos> RicardoPerez: ping
[01:28] <RicardoPerez> carlos: hi!
[01:56] <zul> hey
[02:07] <imbrandon> whip|lwe: ping
[02:07] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping
[02:07] <lastnode> :)
[02:07] <imbrandon> hello lastnode
[02:08] <zul> hey imbrandon 
[02:08] <lastnode> hi imbrandon, i just finished making the code use config files, so adding new support situations is a synch :)
[02:08] <lastnode> *sinch even
[02:08] <Keybuk> Nafallo: heh, where did you read that? :p
[02:08] <imbrandon> moins zul , i seen your updates to xen , i'm gonna sync in a bit ;)
[02:09] <imbrandon> so far running smooth ( even on the amd 64 )
[02:09] <zul> sweet..
[02:09] <iwj> .awa
[02:09] <iwj> Oops.
[02:09] <imbrandon> gmorning Keybuk
[02:09] <lastnode> imbrandon, any news of bzr?
[02:09] <imbrandon> lastnode: cool email me the changes and today i'll setup the bzr branch
[02:10] <Nafallo> Keybuk: I branched off upstart :-)
[02:10] <lastnode> imbrandon, mailing now
[02:10] <Keybuk> Nafallo: oh, any particular reason?
[02:10] <zul> imbrandon: what about those x problems you were having?
[02:10] <imbrandon> i dunno somethin with the -6 kernel , fixed it up when i updated
[02:10] <imbrandon> so i never realy looked into it more
[02:11] <zul> ok cool
[02:11] <Nafallo> Keybuk: interest in the project mostly, I want to see where you're taking this :-). and if I can help with it, I'll push branches to LP :-).
[02:11] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I should probably remember to push more then
[02:11] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:12] <Nafallo> checkouts is your friend ;-)
[02:12] <lastnode> imbrandon, btw there was a name change we decided on - you'll see it in the mail :)
[02:12] <Keybuk> naf	too slow ;)
[02:12] <imbrandon> lastnode: ok ;)
[02:12] <Keybuk> Nafallo: too slow ;)
[02:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:12] <Keybuk> random -- does anyone know how to make irssi work ok on a black/white terminal?
[02:13] <Keybuk> I can't see my own name <--
[02:13] <imbrandon> Keybuk: yea i have a theme somewhere that works on b/w well
[02:13] <zul> i just changed the color of the terminal when that happenened
[02:13] <imbrandon> i'll have to find it
[02:13] <Keybuk> as in black writing on a white background
[02:13] <Keybuk> colour terminal
[02:13] <imbrandon> yea or turn off ansi colors in the term
[02:13] <_ion> keybuk: I wouldn't mind more frequent pushes either. :-)
[02:14] <gnomefreak> Keybuk: change the settings in the terminal
[02:14] <tseng> Keybuk: the name in the default theme is a light gray iirc
[02:14] <tseng> Keybuk: change it darker
[02:14] <_ion> keybuk: You should probably change the irssi theme, if you aren't able or willing to change the terminal's palette.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> i use white font on black background
[02:14] <tseng> gnome-terminal has a color picker
[02:14] <Keybuk> _ion: how do you do that?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> Keybuk: there are themes on irssi.org
[02:15] <_ion> keybuk: http://irssi.org/themes
[02:15] <_ion> keybuk: Download a theme to ~/.irssi and /set theme foo IIRC
[02:15] <imbrandon> http://irssi.org/themefiles/kompakt.png
[02:15] <imbrandon> err yea
[02:15] <imbrandon> kompakt works well on b/w
[02:16] <imbrandon> Keybuk: http://irssi.org/themefiles/kompakt.theme
[02:16] <tseng> < Keybuk> as in black writing on a white background
[02:16] <imbrandon> ahh whoops
[02:16] <imbrandon> heh
[02:17] <imbrandon> well yea just choose a theme from there then or modify another .theme
[02:17] <_ion> keybuk: I'm using the default theme, but i have changed the terminal's background to light gray. It's dark enough for white text to be easily readable.
[02:17] <_ion> keybuk: (The normal text color is black.)
[02:18] <Keybuk> _ion, Nafallo: ok, everything except the config file reading code is pushed now
[02:18] <_ion> keybuk: Thanks.
[02:19] <Nafallo> Keybuk: nice, I'll update then :-)
[02:20] <Keybuk> I'll commit and push that once it's not evil and ugly
[02:20] <Nafallo> ah, 15 revisions more :-)
[02:20] <Keybuk> you'll need to update libnih too
[02:21] <Nafallo> right
[02:21] <Keybuk> actually, you may not _need_ to; I think the new code there is only used by the cfgfile code
[02:22] <tseng> pitti: it seems like we cant make beagle and kword both use the same wv
[02:22] <tseng> pitti: shortof rewriting that part of beagle
[02:28] <pitti> tseng: :(
[02:28] <tseng> pitti: :(
[02:28] <tseng> we can keep not building .doc support
[02:30] <mjg59> tseng: How different are the APIs?
[02:30] <tseng> mjg59: i didnt really look at 2
[02:30] <mjg59> I wouldn't have thought it would be /too/ painful
[02:30] <tseng> mjg59: if you go to the upstream webpage its hard to even tell what is the current line of development
[02:31] <mjg59> Though obvoiusly I haven't actually checked...
[02:31] <tseng> yeah I doubt it is awful either, but I'm not jumping to do it
[02:31] <tseng> I don't exactly have a disk full of .doc files I am itching to have indexed
[02:33] <tseng> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wvware/
[02:33] <tseng> this page shows wv2 as the main development
[02:33] <tseng> if you go to the home page http://wvware.sourceforge.net/
[02:33] <tseng> only recent posts are about wv1
[02:34] <\sh> moins
[02:34] <\sh> who is responsible for glibc these days? :)
[02:34] <slomo_> \sh: jbailey
[02:34] <tseng> \sh: guilty parties in the changelog.
[02:35] <\sh> aye...the infinity :)
[02:39] <Seveas> rodarvus, nice cloak ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> hehe
[02:41] <rodarvus> Seveas, ahn, I hadn't noticed it yet :)
[02:43] <tseng> mjg59: haha.. wv2 is c++, wv1 is C
[02:43] <tseng> mjg59: explains that.
[02:43] <mjg59> Ah
[02:43] <mjg59> Fair enough, then
[02:44] <tseng> Mono can't bind C++ directly
[02:44] <tseng> you make a C lib to bind the C++ lib, then can p/invoke the C lib
[02:44] <tseng> pretty nasty.
[02:45] <tseng> its been done, though
[02:48] <_ion> Hehe.
[02:52] <The_8472> in case somebody is listening: Azureus 2.5.0.0 has been released (see http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84122), i suggest you update your repository... it contains a workaround for the gtk/swt bug which prevents popup windows from closing (and causes the azureus support stuff lots of trouble with ubuntu users)
[02:52] <The_8472> a complete tarball (including libs and startup scripts) will follow soon
[02:53] <zul> The_8472: can you open a bug in launchpad 
[02:53] <The_8472> there already is a bug report... but nobody bothered to fix it...
[02:53] <siretart> The_8472: does the new version work with gcj?
[02:54] <The_8472> partially, afaik even the newest gcj versions have some issue with NIO code
[02:54] <The_8472> but it certainly won't work with gcj lower than 4.1.0
[02:55] <The_8472> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/41813 <- here's the bug report
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41813 in azureus "pop-up dialogs doesn't close." [Unknown,Fix released]  
[02:56] <The_8472> heh
[02:56] <The_8472> yeah, i don't have an account... so it would be nice if somebody could update it
[02:57] <The_8472> but i suggest you wait for the full release, it might contain some minor azureus launcher script fixes... at least i hope so
[02:58] <rodarvus> The_8472, you are able to package it yourself, and ask for a sponsor
[02:58] <The_8472> i don't use ubuntu
[02:58] <rodarvus> The_8472, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[02:59] <The_8472> we just have quite some trouble with ubuntu-users at the azureus support, some of them don't even know how to locate a file and replace it :/
[02:59] <Mithrandir> pitti: can we make apport attach the core dumps rather than including them inline?
[02:59] <The_8472> -> the popup problem caused quite some trouble for us
[03:01] <sladen> The_8472: and pop in #ubuntu-motu
[03:02] <The_8472> sladen, ok... should i restate my request there, or ... ?
[03:05] <sladen> The_8472: they should be able to give you a hand with checking your patch over and sponsoring it
[03:05] <The_8472> patch? it's a new release version ^^
[03:06] <The_8472> if you want the patch you can find it in the debian bugreport
[03:07] <sladen> The_8472: looks fairly sane.  Can you prepare a debdiff?
[03:08] <The_8472> nope, i don't use ubuntu or debian
[03:08] <sladen> The_8472: one for dapper-updates and another for edgy if the issue is still there.  Use the patch included in the report, rather than doing a new version
[03:11] <The_8472> ok, just to make it clear: i'm not an ubuntu or debian-user. I'm azureus support staff. We released a new version that fixes a bug many ubuntu users have a problem with. And since linux packages of azureus usually mess with our auto-update system i'm requesting that the repo-version of azureus is updated too.
[03:12] <sladen> The_8472: ah, gotcha.  Thanks for managing to come and alert us then :)
[03:12] <The_8472> good :)
[03:12] <sladen> The_8472: it looks like the new Debian version basically just incorporates that change
[03:13] <The_8472> yeah, i know... but there is a new azureus release now
[03:13] <Lathiat> The_8472: Is this the cant hide window bug?
[03:13] <The_8472> yep
[03:13] <Lathiat> ah yeh thats been driving me nuts ;)
[03:13] <The_8472> hehehe
[03:13] <Lathiat> have to continually restart az 
[03:13] <Lathiat> heh
[03:13] <Lathiat> so the debian version just included a patch to fix this issue?
[03:14] <The_8472> yes... debian is just the old version +  fix
[03:14] <Lathiat> hrm well updating to that would be preferable
[03:14] <The_8472> the new version already has that fix too... and other things
[03:14] <Lathiat> are there any other compelling reasons to go completely to the new release?
[03:14] <Lathiat> any security issues or other major bugs?
[03:14] <The_8472> it's new?
[03:14] <Lathiat> Well unfortunately the general policy is once a release is out is to put maintenance fixes in
[03:14] <The_8472> we prefer to update all users to the newest version, it simply makes support easier
[03:14] <Lathiat> not ugprad eto new versions willy nilly else we'd be chasing bugs in old releases forever...
[03:15] <Lathiat> could you file a bug at http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug and subscribe me (lathiat)
[03:16] <Lathiat> or just give me the bug number at least
[03:16] <The_8472> *sigh* i guess i'll have to create an account then...
[03:17] <Lathiat> well i'd appreciate it if you did :)
[03:18] <sladen> Lathiat: bug #41813
[03:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41813 in azureus "pop-up dialogs doesn't close." [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41813
[03:19] <The_8472> basically our problem is that we have an auto-update feature in place but many distros modify azureus or set permissions that prevent autoupdates... which delays the updates until the repos catch up, which can take quite a while
[03:20] <infinity> The_8472: Uhm, yeah, circumventing packaging systems with specific auto-update features for each piece of software is a NIGHTMARE.
[03:20] <The_8472> well, package systems are a nightmare for us too :P
[03:20] <Lathiat> eheh
[03:20] <infinity> The_8472: Also, see Lathiat's comment about root-owned files, plus sysadmins thta want stable (ie: unchanging) systems, etc, etc.
[03:21] <Lathiat> you dont want users messing with package installed files, generally
[03:21] <infinity> Software exists to satisfy users, not to serve the programmers.
[03:21] <Lathiat> The_8472: itd be interesting if perhaps the autoupdate could place the udpated files in the users homedir or something, i guess
[03:21] <infinity> (Yes, the development versions serve you, but you can install them without trying to force them on other people)
[03:21] <Lathiat> tho that could lead to some confusion
[03:21] <The_8472> user joins support... "bug, bug, how to fix it" - "just enable the autoupdater" - "i can't... i have ubuntu"
[03:21] <The_8472> ...
[03:21] <Mithrandir> The_8472: just provide an easy way to completely disable the auto-updater when making packages so if an user downloads from your website he's got the autoupdater but if it's installed from a package, it's disabled.
[03:22] <Lathiat> Mithrandir: well thats half the problem
 (Yes, the development versions serve you, but you can install them without trying to force them on other people) <- i'm not talking about dev versions
[03:22] <The_8472> the auto updater only updates stable ones
[03:22] <Lathiat> 8472.. species 8472?
[03:22] <The_8472> yep ^^
[03:22] <Lathiat> hehe
[03:24] <The_8472> Mithrandir, well... you can disable it, but it's a setting within azureus and the config file is only created after the 1st startup
[03:25] <zul> oh hey Hobbsee 
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hi zul, tseng 
[03:25] <Hobbsee> hey rodarvus 
[03:25] <rodarvus> hey Hobbsee 
[03:26] <The_8472> ok, so... how are our chances that ubuntu will ship the new azureus release version in the next few days/weeks?
[03:27] <Lathiat> The_8472: we generally dont update to new upstream versions once a release is out
[03:27] <Lathiat> The_8472: we would most certainly incorporate the patches in debian, tho
[03:27] <Lathiat> and the new version could prob ably be put in dapper-backports
[03:27] <The_8472> well... at least something...
[03:27] <Lathiat> which means its available in packages to those who wish to run newer software
[03:27] <Lathiat> altho im not sure if -backports is up and running yet for dapper
[03:28] <Lathiat> (can anyone shed more light on that?)
[03:28] <Nafallo> Lathiat: maybe dapper-updates for the debian fix and the new upstream for edgy?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: it's still broken, i believe
[03:29] <Lathiat> Nafallo: thats what i was thinking when -backports is fixed tho new az could go there i see that being a usefull backport
[03:29] <Nafallo> Lathiat: yea, sure. but -updates could atleast contain the patch if there is a very annoying problem, which is sounds like it is.
[03:30] <Lathiat> Nafallo: yep as i said above :)
[03:30] <Lathiat> its definitely a major bug woirth updating 
[03:30] <The_8472> *cough* the debian fix has been around for quite some time and nobody ported it to ubuntu... that's why i'm pushing the issue a bit, since the issue is supposed to be fixed with our new release. And as long as it is not fixed in the repos we have to tell users to use a not-package-managed build of azureus
[03:31] <Lathiat> The_8472: nod, we should get that synced soon then
[03:31] <Nafallo> The_8472: or to use the debian package, no? :-)
[03:32] <The_8472> we don't ship .rpms or .debs... just a bz2 w/o installing mechanisms
[03:33] <Nafallo> The_8472: well, debian DOES have their debs in their free-for-all archive :-). it would be trivial to install the .deb with patch from there.
[03:33] <Nafallo> that's a better workaround than to make people compile things IMHO.
[03:33] <The_8472> hrrm, maybe...
[03:33] <The_8472> nah, we don't let them compile stuff ^^
[03:33] <Nafallo> but anyway, Lathiat will fix all this now ;-)
[03:34] <The_8472> we just tell them to download the compiled archive from our homepage
[03:34] <The_8472> yeah, i hope so :)
[03:34] <Lathiat> Thanks for stopping by The_8472, glad to see developers coming to us to help get things sorted, I'll try see that the new version is synced soon
[03:34] <Lathiat> I have to head off now, ttyl :)
[03:34] <The_8472> thx and cu
[03:34] <Nafallo> still messing with the package management system if you start replacing random files out of ~ ;-).
[03:34] <Lathiat> Nafallo: azureus unpacks standlone
[03:35] <Lathiat> Nafallo: theres no need to install it in /usr /usr/local or anywhere
[03:35] <Lathiat> its quite nice like trhat
[03:35] <Lathiat> it just works (tm)
[03:35] <Nafallo> aha. I heard it was java and have never even thought on using it myself :-).
[03:35] <Lathiat> its by far the best around and the java side of things doesnt let it down too much
[03:35] <Nafallo> ...because of that :-)
[03:36] <Lathiat>  TF and others arent nearly as flexible to modify dl/ul rates on the fly and pick files to download and whatnot, so i find it nice
[03:36] <Lathiat> would be nie if az could get a better web interface tho
[03:36] <Lathiat> both of the two that exist lack a few major things
[03:37] <Lathiat> like ability to upload and whatnot
[03:37] <Lathiat> anyway
[03:37] <Lathiat> i need to go as i said ;)
[03:37] <The_8472> ubuntu... *check* ... now i have to bother some other disto managers :)
[03:37] <Lathiat> *g*
[03:37] <Nafallo> The_8472: :-)
[03:38] <AndrewLee> sladen: hi, I am back. What's the next I can do?
[03:41] <sladen> AndrewLee: ideally, find flyingfree, who was the last person to touch that package
[03:42] <AndrewLee> sladen: okay, so he can do the backports, right?
[03:43] <Nafallo> freeflying :-)
[03:43] <Keybuk> mommy!  this patch broke my code!
[03:44] <Nafallo> Keybuk: ? :-)
[03:45] <Keybuk> Nafallo: oh, just mount ... nothing important
[03:45] <Nafallo> hah
[03:45] <rodarvus> ajmitch, ping
[03:46] <Keybuk> WOO!  HACK SNACKS!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: that the swap file stuff, about how the swap file doenst seem to get mounted on boot?
[03:46] <Keybuk> actually, I lie
[03:46] <Keybuk> it's fdisk
[03:47] <ajmitch> rodarvus: pong
[03:48] <rodarvus> ajmitch, seb128 told me you are working on updated compiz packages for edgy, is this true? :)
[03:48] <StevenK> Hobbsee: It's a partition, not a file.
[03:48] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:48] <ajmitch> rodarvus: yes
[03:48] <ajmitch> rodarvus: not very actively at the moment, but I did do some
[03:49] <rodarvus> ajmitch, I've fixed the last known bug in Mesa, and would like to test aiglx locally
[03:49] <StevenK> ajmitch can't help but want bling for Edgy.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> StevenK: point.  i'm half asleep.
[03:49] <rodarvus> so, if you have something for me to test, it would be muchly appreciated
[03:49] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: just install spiftacity and use that to see if aiglx works?  Unless you need compiz, that is.
[03:49] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: *shrug*
[03:49] <ajmitch> rodarvus: sure, tomorrow sometime? there's some patches I'd need to grab to get it going properly for aiglx, I think
[03:49] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: -v
[03:50] <StevenK> Keybuk: I'm happy to debug Hobbsee's problem, but I have no idea how the UUID stuff in Edgy works.
[03:50] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, I never heard about spiftacity, actually
[03:50] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, I'll test it now, thanks
[03:51] <rodarvus> (so, no, I don't *need* compiz, just want to test basic aiglx)
[03:51] <Mithrandir> spiftacity just gives you drop shadows and such, but it should show if stuff works or not.
[03:52] <_ion> ajmitch: Perhaps the packages at http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ would be helpful as a starting point. They are very recent.
[03:59] <doko> infinity, cprov: please requeue openoffice.org on i386, powerpc, sparc
[04:02] <\sh> infinity: I don#t know if you are the right person for glibc, but you touched it the last time...it looks like that we have a problem in glibc and threading...wine is segfaulting...but the same source works in dapper quite fine.. (pls have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/56965)
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56965 in wine "[Edgy]  Consistent segfault when starting wine" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[04:04] <cprov> doko: done
[04:04] <doko> cprov: thanks!
[04:05] <Mithrandir> nothing like TIL-maintenance for glibc.
[04:06] <\sh> Mithrandir: hmm...then it's really strange...
[04:06] <\sh> I don't even get a real backtrace via gdb 
[04:07] <Mithrandir> \sh: it was more of a tounge in cheek comment.  Though, Adam is supposed to be taking over glibc, slowly.
[04:07] <bddebian> doko: Is there any chance I could get you to look over something for me?
[04:08] <doko> bddebian: probably not today, if it's universe
[04:09] <\sh> Mithrandir: well, looks like that I need some help ;)
[04:09] <bddebian> doko: Well it's diacanvas2 but I'm not sure if it's a pyobjects issue or not.  Anyway, no prob.
[04:27] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: hi
[04:27] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: hi
[04:27] <freeflying_> \sh: hi
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: that swap bug i mentioned earlier seems to have been a heisenburg bug - i fidled with the fstab a bit more, and got it working properly.
[04:27] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Could you please upgrade scim-chewing 0.3.1 in dapper?
[04:28] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: sladen ask me to find you 
[04:28] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: sorry, scim-chewing in main, so need core-dev's sponsor upload
[04:28] <Keybuk> did you have an unresumed suspend image in it?
[04:28] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Let me ask if sladen can sponsor this
[04:28] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: okey
[04:29] <AndrewLee> sladen: Ping, freeflying has answered, he needs core-dev's sponsor for the upload.
[04:29] <Keybuk> \o/ fdisk builds again now
[04:29] <AndrewLee> sladen: Could you please sponsor the upgrade of scim-chewing(also libchewing) in dapper for freeflying?
[04:29] <sladen> freeflying_: since you were the last person to touch it, can you check over the sanity of the patches and test the result (me zh is a little rusty ;-)
[04:30] <freeflying_> sladen: okay
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: me?  shouldnt have.   i dont think so.  suspend tends to send my machine in a kernel panic, or come back weirdly, so i tend not to use it.
[04:31] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Do you know scim-chewing doesn't work with skype?
[04:31] <\sh> freeflying: moins
[04:31] <\sh> sladen: ping
[04:32] <freeflying_> \sh: hehe, just need your sponsor  :)
[04:32] <\sh> sladen: tell me, do you own www.paul.sladen.org? ,-) 
[04:33] <\sh> freeflying_: you wanted to fix wine? ,-) 
[04:33] <sladen> \sh: I think sladen is supermarket in German or something
[04:33] <sladen> \sh: yes
[04:34] <sladen> gawd, the wireless there must be pathetic
[04:34] <Nafallo> indeed
[04:35] <freeflying_> \sh:  :)
[04:36] <mjg59> crimsun: Hey
[04:36] <mjg59> crimsun: So I'm at the point of needing a mechanism for writing stuff to a user's .asoundrc file...
[04:36] <mjg59> crimsun: The situation is that there's a running daemon that speaks to my bluetooth headset
[04:36] <mjg59> crimsun: And an alsa plugin that speaks to that daemon
[04:37] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Would you mind to solve the skype issue in this future upload?
[04:37] <mjg59> crimsun: But obviously there's a need to get that plugin into the .asoundrc
[04:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: how about the issue of scim-qtimm, guys can't input anything in skype in dapper and edgy
[04:38] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Use XIM instead of qtimm for specific problem??
[04:38] <AndrewLee> s/problem/program/
[04:38] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: I've asked Riddell for revert it back, and Riddell took it already
[04:38] <freeflying_> AndrewLee:  xim will be ok
[04:39] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: I think XIM will be fine too, but how to make users to get the right updates?
[04:39] <G0SUB> pitti: hello
[04:40] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: then we need set it defaultly in im-switch's conffile
[04:40] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Ubuntu users is not like debian users who can write a wrapper or change to XIM theirseves
[04:40] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: but I'd prefer to scim
[04:41] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Yeah, please make things as simple as possible. :)
[04:41] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: but you know that skype is not supported in ubuntu  :)
[04:42] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: either in main nor in universe  :)
[04:42] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: I know, but doesn't ubuntu support their users?
[04:43] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Skype works fine in debian with my scim-chewing package, why should it not work in ubuntu?
[04:43] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: :), that because you use xim 
[04:44] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: And I can't decide to use xim or scim defaultly by myself
[04:45] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: I need discuz this with others
[04:45] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: If the reason is ubuntu doesn't support skype, so my package in ubuntu won't work with skype, I will think maybe drop my package from ubuntu is easier for me, cause I am getting a lot of users reports.
[04:45] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: so, please give me time  :)
[04:47] <AndrewLee> freeflying_: Okay, please. It's almost drive crazy alreay.
[04:47] <freeflying_> AndrewLee: sorry for bring you so many bug report  :)
[04:49] <AndrewLee> freeflying|aeay: Didn't you get any report?
[04:49] <freeflying|aeay> AndrewLee: ya
[04:49] <AndrewLee> freeflying|aeay: Maybe because user likes to report to me
[04:50] <freeflying|aeay> AndrewLee: :)
[04:50] <AndrewLee> freeflying|aeay: Maybe they don't know how to write you in zh_CN. :)
[04:51] <freeflying|aeay> AndrewLee: hmmm
[04:51] <AndrewLee> freeflying|aeay: I almost run out of power, talk to you tomorrow.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: do you know that volumeid/etc is breaking?   http://rafb.net/paste/results/37KA5R14.html when installing it
[05:03] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: oh, weird
[05:03] <Keybuk> I fixed that bug before I uploaded
[05:03] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: indeed.
[05:03] <Keybuk> maybe I uploaded the wrong one
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:03] <Hobbsee> quite possibly
[05:05] <Keybuk> I have to upload another anyway
[05:07] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: oh, no, I fixed a different occurrence of that bug
[05:07] <Keybuk> clearly I have been writing C too much recently and forgotten my sh-fu
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: ah right, fair enough
[05:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:22] <Nafallo> how to no apport runs: your load is ~8 :-P
[05:30] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I've suggested to pitti that it doesn't run for things in /home
[05:31] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[05:31] <Nafallo> or for things that the user killed might be an addition ;-)
[05:31] <Nafallo> pitti: ^
[05:32] <Keybuk> lamont: interesting util-linux upload for you ;)
[05:46] <Keybuk> lifeless: OI*$!$(*!$("IOIWRWQRJWI!
[05:46] <Keybuk> syndicate init% bzr revert job.c
[05:46] <Keybuk> bzr: ERROR: [Errno 20]  Not a directory: 'init/job.c'
[05:47] <Keybuk> accurate, yet not the useful response I was looking for
[05:48] <Nafallo> :-)
[05:48] <tseng> Setting up volumeid (093-0ubuntu10) ...
[05:48] <tseng> /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 24: Syntax error: "fi" unexpected (expecting "then")
[05:48] <tseng> dpkg: error processing volumeid (--configure):
[05:48] <tseng> ^ useful
[05:50] <Keybuk> tseng: update
[05:56] <G0SUB> pitti: you have mail btw.
[06:31] <Mithrandir> Riddell,ogra (and the rest of you lot): would you have a problem with me scheduling a knot-2 for early next week and then a knot-3 two weeks after that?
[06:32] <Mithrandir> it'd mean freeze starting Monday morning and lasting until it's out, ditto two weeks later.
[06:34] <ogra> Mithrandir: cant we say late next week, edubuntu is in very bad shape
[06:34] <ogra> (i'm at 716Mb and have no idea why yet)
[06:34] <Mithrandir> ogra: well, you have a week to get that fixed, then, don't you?
[06:34] <ogra> well, i wanted to concentrate on features this week :)
[06:35] <Riddell> Mithrandir: good with me
[06:35] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: cool, would be nice to have a knot with upstart on it ;)
[06:36] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: sure.
[06:36] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: get coding!
[06:36] <ogra> haha
[06:36] <simira> so, when's dinner?
[06:37] <ogra> simira: when we want it ... its up to us to find a place )
[06:37] <Keybuk> ALL YOU CAN EAT SUSHI!
[06:37] <fabbione> i am planning to :)
[06:37] <Keybuk> (which sounds like a repeat of the London Plague waiting to happen)
[06:38] <simira> I think I'll avoid the sushi. Besides, I have to pay my own food.
[06:38] <fabbione> considering i saw more than 3 sushi resturant in such a small place, i believe they have to be ok
[06:38] <simira> anyone here NOT going for sushi?
[06:38] <bddebian> Wow, hi fabbione
[06:39] <Keybuk> simira: I will not be
[06:40] <ogra> Keybuk: simira, i'll join you at the non-sushi place :)
[06:47] <lloydinho> I'm up for something other than sushi, too.
[06:54] <Nafallo> Keybuk: which is the working udev? ubuntu10?
[06:55] <Nafallo> Keybuk: ah, 11, nm then :-)
[06:55] <Keybuk> ubuntu11
[06:55] <rodarvus> anyone knows if the wine fest is a multi-day event, or if it was just yesterday?
[06:55] <Keybuk> the second one :p
[06:55] <Keybuk> rodarvus: it was multi-day that ended yesterday, afaiui
[06:55] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: according to doko (I think), it was the last day.
[06:56] <simira> I think that might be a good thing
[06:56] <rodarvus> oh :/
[06:56] <rodarvus> thats sad news
[06:56] <fabbione> how can that be good news? it was nice music and fun
[06:56] <simira> rodarvus: you surely will be able to find wine on eating places still. And maybe even beer.
[06:57] <rodarvus> simira, lets hope so :)
[06:57] <Mithrandir> mmm, beer.
[06:57] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: we're in the wrong bit of Germany for beer
[06:57] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:58] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: mmm, beer.
[06:58] <Keybuk> liquid lunch!
[06:58] <pitti> Two beers are like one bread, but then you didn't yet drink something
[06:59] <Keybuk> pitti is clearly drunk already
[06:59] <Mithrandir> you could always drink a beer to fix that
[07:00] <pitti> sabdfl: hey Mark!
[07:00] <sabdfl> hey hey pitti
[07:00] <fabbione> hey Mark
[07:00] <Keybuk> I hear you're joining us tomorrow?
[07:00] <sabdfl> how's wiesbaden?
[07:00] <fabbione> sabdfl: small?
[07:00] <sabdfl> Keybuk: i'll get there in time for the last whiskey bof, i expect
[07:00] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: hotel-ish.
[07:00] <Keybuk> the wine is good, the bandwidth ... no so good
[07:01] <sabdfl> Keybuk: well then, drink more wine!
[07:01] <Keybuk> is that official approval from the CEO to drink as much wine as possible?
[07:01] <Keybuk> can we expense it?
[07:02] <zul> hey sabdfl 
[07:02] <sabdfl> Keybuk: you can, but it will bounce
[07:02] <Burgwork> hey sabdfl 
[07:02] <Keybuk> darn
[07:02] <sabdfl> taxi drivers shudder when canonical picks up the tab at developer summits, apparently
[07:03] <sabdfl> hi zul, Burgwork
[07:03] <sfllaw> sabdfl: I didn't ge that one.
[07:03] <sfllaw> Is it because we're cheap?
[07:04] <Nafallo> Keybuk: don't drink while coding upstart please ;-)
[07:05] <fabbione> code looks beter when you are drunk
[07:05] <fabbione> better even
[07:05] <Mithrandir> fabbione: but does it compile better?
[07:05] <zul> heh fabbione drunk right now?
[07:05] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I find that one or two glasses are a prerequisite
[07:05] <fabbione> Mithrandir: wel gcc runs faster!
[07:05] <Mithrandir> fabbione: from your typing, your gcc already runs with blazing speed.
[07:05] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ROFL
[07:06] <sfllaw> The nice thing about coding while drunk is that it works out better in the end.
[07:06] <Nafallo> haha
[07:06] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:06] <sfllaw> You see, if you're too clever when you code, you can't debug it properly.
[07:06] <Keybuk> that's actually very true
[07:07] <Keybuk>  * cfg_read_script:                                                             
[07:07] <Keybuk>  * @file: memory mapped copy of file, or string bugger,
[07:07] <Keybuk> oops
[07:08] <rodarvus> does anyone at wiesbaden has a cd-r handy I could use?
[07:08] <simira> rodarvus: pong
[07:08] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: I think both Colin and simira has cd-rws, at least.
[07:09] <rodarvus> simira, thanks a lot!
[07:09] <Treenaks> this aiglx stuff in edgy (+ new compiz packages from one 'quinn') rocks!
[07:09] <rodarvus> Treenaks, is it already working 100% for you?
[07:09] <Keybuk> yeah, edgy is DA BOMB
[07:10] <simira> rodarvus: np :)
[07:10] <Treenaks> rodarvus: 100% enough ;)
[07:10] <Treenaks> rodarvus: (cube desktops, nice window create/destroy/minimize effects, transparency
[07:10] <fabbione> Treenaks does it work on ppc?
[07:10] <Treenaks> rodarvus: only some opengl apps break unless you fullscreen them
[07:10] <Treenaks> fabbione: I haven't tried yet
[07:10] <Treenaks> fabbione: this is 386 + ati driver
[07:10] <fabbione> Treena: slacker :)
[07:11] <Treenaks> so it should
[07:11] <fabbione> Treenaks: ati or fglrx?
[07:11] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: have you enabled aiglx by default or is it just the same extra X server as before?
[07:11] <Treenaks> fabbione: ti
[07:11] <Treenaks> fabbione: ati, too
[07:11] <fabbione> ok
[07:11] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, aiglx is part of xorg-server 1.1.1
[07:11] <Treenaks> it's aiglx for me, too
[07:11] <rodarvus> but I have some extra patches which are not yet included on upstream (I plan to add these later this week)
[07:12] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: shiny.
[07:12] <Treenaks> fabbione: quinn doesn't make ppc packages, that's why I haven't tried.. if somebody would upload compiz-latest to edgy/universe... :P
[07:12] <fabbione> Treenaks: you can still build it locally
[07:13] <Treenaks> fabbione: sure, but then I have to upgrade my entire macmini to edgy
[07:13] <Treenaks> which I'm not doing yet
[07:13] <fabbione> Treenaks: give me the url with the source..
[07:13] <fabbione> i can build it here
[07:13] <fabbione> Treenaks: send it via email please.
[07:13] <Treenaks> fabbione: ubuntu.compiz.net
[07:13] <Treenaks> oh
[07:13] <fabbione> i am on the wqay off for dinner and no irc logging enable
[07:13] <Treenaks> ok
[07:13] <fabbione> and i am lazy to look at irc logs :)
[07:14] <bddebian> fabbione: You were having a child right?
[07:15] <Treenaks> fabbione: sent
[07:16] <simira> bddebian: at least his wife were
[07:17] <crimsun> mjg59: ok. I looked at http://bluetooth-alsa.cvs.sourceforge.net/bluetooth-alsa/alsa-plugin-sco/alsa-plugins/asound.conf?revision=1.1.1.1&view=markup briefly, so it looks like we'll need to extend asoundconf(1) to write stanzas, too, if you want the whole shebang. We could merge the bt alsa plugin into the alsa-plugins source package, too.
[07:18] <bddebian> simira: Somehow I knew someone was going to say that :-)
[07:22] <Nafallo> bddebian: I was thinking about it ;-)
[07:25] <simira> so, non-fish, warm dinner-expedition from the lobby at 20:00?
[07:27] <fabbione> bddebian: yes. i had him 3 weeks ago
[07:27] <fabbione> Treenaks: thanks
[07:29] <bddebian> fabbione: Awesome, congrats
[07:29] <fabbione> bddebian: thanks
[07:29] <mjg59> crimsun: It's not actually the sco plugin I'm interested in, but yeah
[07:30] <ogra> tseng, you are intrested in g-p-m maintenance ? 
[07:31] <tseng> ogra: well
[07:31] <tseng> ogra: im not particuarly interested in maintaining our patch set between major versions if thats what you mean
[07:32] <tseng> ogra: I'm happy to bump the version and keep it on an even keel
[07:32] <ogra> well, i'd love to hand it over to someone who actually is intrested in it ... 
[07:33] <tseng> the patches were scary
[07:33] <ogra> they are
[07:33] <tseng> given the delta in gpm upstream
[07:33] <tseng> maybe it was a one-time thing
[07:33] <simira> ogra: if it's not a large package, and you can give me a teacher and a few months, I'll consider it
[07:33] <ogra> it costs me half a day up to a whole every time to merge them into new code
[07:33] <tseng> i tried before you and gave up
[07:33] <ogra> and they are very ubuntu specific 
[07:34] <Nafallo> simira: you already have a good teacher in-house :-)
[07:34] <tseng> so I likely won't be any use if he breaks things around again
[07:34] <tseng> in between times I can look after it
[07:34] <ogra> that'd be fine already, lest build a g-p-m team ;)
[07:34] <tseng> ok :)
[07:35] <tseng> when versions come out I will test and update them this cycle
[07:35] <simira> Nafallo: I am sceptical at trying the in-house peace... we're both too impatient at times
[07:35] <tseng> and next time, we will talk again
[07:35] <Nafallo> simira: :-)
[07:35] <simira> hm
[07:36] <tseng> simira: sorry.
[07:36] <tseng> simira: I'll give you mono if you want it
[07:36] <Nafallo> ROTFL
[07:36] <simira> :)
[07:37] <Nafallo> simira: you should hide to ;-)
[07:37] <simira> Nafallo: I am running for food instead. Does that count?
[07:37] <Nafallo> simira: yepp, if you're not telling tseng where you're going :-)
[07:37] <tseng> it doesnt love me.
[07:37] <simira> Nafallo: I don't even know myself yet
[07:38] <Nafallo> simira: see! :-)
[07:38] <simira> tseng: mono or the 770? I'll gladly take the latter
[07:38] <tseng> haha
[07:38] <tseng> I just got mine on friday
[07:38] <simira> better get rid of it soon, then
[07:38] <tseng> arent you near helsinki now?
[07:39] <simira> me? Not really. I'm usually in Oslo.
[07:39] <tseng> oh
[07:39] <simira> but not present, and I have been encouraged not to tell you anymore
[07:39] <tseng> Northern Europe is sort of a blur to me
[07:41] <sladen> iceland, uk, norway, sweden, finland, russia
[07:41] <simira> denmark?
[07:41] <tseng> uk?
[07:41] <sladen> nah, too far south :)
[07:41] <simira> but uk counts? nah
[07:41] <Nafallo> haha
[07:41] <simira> men atte...
[07:42] <Nafallo> s/uk/denmark/ :-)
[07:42] <simira> f000000d
[07:42] <simira> Mithrandir: honey?
[07:42] <Nafallo> simira: I think he would like more than just honey ;-)
[07:42] <simira> Nafallo: I am not convinced. Anyhow, I'm off.
[07:42] <Nafallo> like... honey and beer :-P
[07:42] <tseng> meade?
[07:43] <Nafallo> simira: see you later :-)
[07:43] <sladen> ooh, demark is level with York->Aberdeen.  So Scotland is more northerly ;-)
[07:43] <Mithrandir> simira: yes dear.  Soon
[07:43] <zul> what about the faroe islands?
[07:44] <tseng> Mithrandir: simira is the new mono maintainer.
[07:44] <bddebian> w00t, go simira
[07:44] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[07:44] <tseng> hi
[07:44] <bddebian> Hey tseng, how's your python/pygtk foo? :-)
[07:44] <bddebian> s/foo/fu/ ?
[07:44] <Mithrandir> tseng: well, she wants to maintain stuff, so... :-)
[07:44] <sladen> zul: cheat!  You win
[07:44] <zul> sladen: i didnt cheat i know my geography
[07:45] <tseng> bddebian: I am not very experienced in python at all
[07:45] <tseng> bddebian: starting to get my bearings in gtk
[07:45] <tseng> ask and someone might be able to help you
[07:45] <zul> sladen: that and i had friends there :P
[07:49] <bddebian> tseng: I do ask and apparently either no one knows or no one has time. :-(
[07:49] <tseng> bddebian: er
[07:49] <tseng> bddebian: what was the question?
[07:49] <bddebian> tseng: diacanvas2 is broken.  I fixed a few issues with the move to pycentral but it still fails.  http://pastebin.us/3488
[07:50] <tseng> ugh nasty python build system?
[07:51] <bddebian> tseng: Aye
[07:51] <ivoks> hi all
[07:52] <bddebian> tseng: But what's weird is if I run python setup.py in a pbuilder login I don't get those errors
[07:52] <bddebian> Hi ivoks
[07:52] <tseng> bddebian: dont really know
[07:52] <bddebian> tseng: NP, thx
[07:52] <tseng> bddebian: although lamda functions in a build system is pretty scary if you ask me
[07:52] <bddebian> Heya Glouiboulga
[07:52] <tseng> +b
[07:53] <Glouiboulga> hi bddebian 
[08:36] <o_cee> anyone from the printing team around?
[08:36] <tseng> doubtful, its nearly 9pm at the sprint
[08:36] <zul> and they might be out to dinner or something
[08:36] <zul> mmm...food
[08:37] <o_cee> m'kay.. tired of Bug #6017 :)  thought i'd help to find the cause
[08:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6017 in foo2zjs "Update to latest package to make HP LaserJet 1020 work" [Medium,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6017
[08:47] <gnomefreak> volumeid wont configure on edgy. assuming this is known but just making sure
[08:48] <Treenaks> gnomefreak: just add 'then' to the end of the if line it complains about
[08:48] <gnomefreak> no need to recompile it?
[08:48] <Nafallo> gnomefreak: ubuntu11 is on it's way :-)
[08:49] <gnomefreak> Nafallo: ty
[08:49] <nicolaw> good evening/morning/afternoon
[08:49] <Treenaks> gnomefreak: just edit the /var/lib file it complains about </evilhack> :)
[08:51] <nicolaw> i'm told this is a good place to gauge the possibility of getting a package added to ubuntu
[08:51] <zul> better place would be motu
[08:52] <nicolaw> ah, there a channel or the wiki?
[08:52] <zul> #ubuntu-motu
[08:52] <bddebian>  #ubuntu-motu
[08:52] <nicolaw> :) mucho tarly
[09:12] <lfittl> which would be the right package to add udev rules for smartcard readers? (gnupg would be my guess, but I am afraid that such a change to an important main package won't be accepted)
[09:12] <Treenaks> lfittl: the package which provides a library to use them
[09:13] <lfittl> Treenaks: support is included into gpg / gpg2
[09:14] <Treenaks> lfittl: no separate libraries?
[09:14] <Treenaks> so other programs (say, Netscape) can also use it?
[09:15] <Treenaks> s/Netscape/Firefox/
[09:15] <lfittl> Treenaks: hmm, can't say for sure there is no library, but gnupg doesn't need one, it includes all necessary code
[09:16] <Treenaks> hm.. ok
[09:19] <lfittl> Treenaks: do you think it is possible to get a patch integrated into the gnupg package? (would be adding one file and modifying debian/rules to install it)
[09:19] <Treenaks> I have no idea
[09:21] <lfittl> k, then I will just try it, thanks :)
[09:25] <Tonio_> little question, I deleted my gnupg key accidentally and don't have access to my backup actually
[09:25] <Tonio_> can I create a new key and upload it to my launchpad account to get upload rights ?
[09:32] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: running gpg --list-keys or whatever the command is doesnt re-create the ~/.gnupg file? assuming you deleted that file not just your key out of it
[09:34] <geser> hello
[09:34] <geser> which buildd builds the arch-all packages?
[09:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well I deleted the full folder so I don't think there is any chance to recover anything.... I simply need a backup but my backup machine is packed since I'm leaving my appartment :)
[09:35] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: and it is at about 500 km from here :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> oh thats bad
[09:35] <Nafallo> geser: i386
[09:36] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well not that much, since I have a backup, the pointis just I wonder if, since I have the possibility to add a key to my launchpad account, that would help me to revover upload rights temporary
[09:36] <Tonio_> s/revover/recover
[09:37] <geser> that explains why there is no new openoffice.org-common as the i386 build failed
[09:39] <Nafallo> ah, it failed. that's why the build was faster than 11h :-)
[10:03] <BlackBrain> hello
[10:03] <zyga> hello :)
[10:03] <bddebian> Hello BlackBrain, zyga :)
[10:09] <tseng> mdz: not sucked into mao yet? :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> heya mdz you ubucon-ite
[10:09] <mdz> I haven't played that game in some time
[10:10] <mdz> imbrandon: I'm very far from there now ;-)
[10:10] <imbrandon> heh i bet ;)
[10:11] <zul> hey mdz 
[10:11] <imbrandon> mdz quick question , i dident see it anywhere but she might have emailed, did hobbsee ask for a uvfe for kopete by chance ?
[10:12] <imbrandon> s/hobbsee/anyone/g s/$/ for version 0.12.2/g
[10:13] <mdz> imbrandon: maybe, I'm behind on email
[10:13] <mdz> zulhi
[10:14] <imbrandon> np just wondering , i wanted to check before i did , but i dident see it on LP
[10:14] <tseng> oh, we arent meant to file exceptions as bugs are we?
[10:14] <imbrandon> the wiki says to but ive seen it done both ways
[10:15] <tseng> I see.
[10:15] <imbrandon> LP is good for tracking approval ;)
[10:15] <tseng> i know we started doing universe uvf there at the end of dapper
[10:27] <ajmitch> tseng: dunno, I thought we were meant to file bugs for UVF, at least that's what I was told
[11:26] <fdoving> there are reports that the new and shiny xorg security update packages leaves X unusable. can anyone confirm this? We've got 3-4 people reporting the same in #kubuntu.
[11:27] <schnabel> hello
[11:30] <schnabel> I want to create a graphical password request for my Gtk Programm but dont know how to do
[11:30] <schnabel> can anyone help me?
[11:30] <abattoir> hello, is there a known problem of X breaking w/ latest dapper updates?
[11:35] <crimsun> I'm discussing it currently with someone. We need to verify it across all drivers.