[01:24] <nixternal> hiya jjesse_
[02:20] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:20] <nixternal> hiya Madpilot
[02:20] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[02:21] <Madpilot> hi nixternal & Burgundavia 
[02:21] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you still @ Ubucon?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> nope. home
[02:22] <Madpilot> ah, cool. wb ;)
[02:22] <Burgundavia> tired
[05:52] <CArenas2> hello all
[05:52] <CArenas2> am trying to figure out how to edit my wikiname in ubuntu wiki
[05:52] <CArenas2> is not in camelcase, although it is on launchpad
[05:53] <Madpilot> CArenas2, are there two capital letters next to each other in your wikiname?
[05:58] <CArenas2> no
[05:58] <CArenas2> it currently shows up as Carlosarenas
[05:58] <CArenas2> where it should be CarlosArenas (which is how it shows up in launchpad)
[05:59] <nixternal> create a CarlosArenas, copy the old page over, and if you want just put a redirect to the new page ;)
[05:59] <nixternal> or delete the old page...speaking of which i need to do for myself
[05:59] <CArenas2> but there is no Carlosarenas page
[06:00] <CArenas2> how do i redirect?
[06:00] <nixternal> im sorry..i jumped in, sipped the kool-aid and don't even know the flavor...are you trying to create a wiki page?
[06:01] <CArenas2> nixternal: LOL
[06:01] <nixternal> nm..you have CarlosArenas already ;)
[06:01] <CArenas2> correct
[06:01] <nixternal> im a moron right now ;)
[06:01] <CArenas2> no worries
[06:01] <nixternal> im in edgy hell on my other system
[06:01] <CArenas2> yikes :-/
[06:02] <CArenas2> i have the wiki page... but my account states "Carlosarenas"
[06:02] <CArenas2> and i don't see where i can edit that
[06:02] <nixternal> oh...in launchpad?
[06:02] <nixternal> easy fix
[06:02] <CArenas2> no
[06:02] <CArenas2> launchpad is correct
[06:02] <CArenas2> that works fine
[06:02] <CArenas2> i mean in the ubuntu wiki
[06:03] <nixternal> ahhhh i see i see for once
[06:03] <CArenas2> wait
[06:04] <CArenas2> i just fixed it, thank you
[06:04] <nixternal> hehe
[06:04] <CArenas2> i had not actually tried to edit it in launchpad
[06:04] <CArenas2> which i just did, when you started "easy fix"
[06:04] <CArenas2> thx for the inspiration :-D
[06:04] <nixternal> hehe
[06:04] <nixternal> np
[06:05] <CArenas2> and good luck getting outta edgy hell
[06:05] <nixternal> im on my way right now, thanks ;)
[08:46] <mdke> nixternal, mvirkkil, pong
[08:47] <nixternal> whats up bud
[08:47] <mdke> nothing, just responding to your ping
[08:48] <nixternal> oh...i know..i pinged ya ;)   Phil Bull, the status of his patch for the Kubuntu SFW Guide, I think is why I paged ya
[08:49] <mdke> nixternal: what do you want to know exactly?
[08:50] <nixternal> were you waiting for jjesse to look it over? Phil was wondering the status earlier
[08:50] <nixternal> if it was going to be uploaded, or wait for further review
[08:51] <mdke> no, I just haven't had time to look at it: I was away over the weekend
[08:51] <nixternal> cool, have a good weekend?
[08:51] <mdke> yes thanks
[08:51] <nixternal> arg, that means it is monday already ;(
[08:51] <Plug> It's been Monday for 19 hours here!
[08:51] <nixternal> hehe
[08:52] <nixternal> only 2 hours here
[08:53] <nixternal> oh, the other thing, is there anything specific that needs to be worked on first for docs before the freeze?
[08:59] <mdke> everything really, hardly any work has been done on docs in this cycle
[09:05] <nixternal> ok, i will start going through some Kubuntu docs this week, as I start back at the uni, and my first 3 classes are no-brainers, so that is 3 hours of classtime i have to work on docs
[12:36] <jono> hi all
[12:36] <mdke> hi jono
[12:37] <jono> I have been running through the gpg registration process to become an ubuntu member, and it would be useful to have a document details how to get through the gpg stuff
[12:38] <jono> the launchpad process tells you how to submit the key, but stops when it comes to decrypting it in different clients
[12:38] <jono> I was wondering you guys fancy knocking up a page which kiko can then link to from Launchpafd
[12:38] <jono> Launchpad
[12:41] <mdke> jono: it should be covered in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto, although I haven't looked in detail
[12:41] <jono> ahhh great :)
[12:42] <jono> I was just looking at ways to reduce any obstacles to contribution at that early stage
[12:42] <jono> that doc should help quite a bit, passed it onto kiko :)
[12:42] <mdke> well, signing the code of conduct isn't a precursor to contribution
[12:43] <mdke> although some teams require it before being given access to things like repositories and so on
[12:43] <joachim-n> hi
[12:43] <jono> sure
[12:44] <joachim-n> does anyone know a good way to say "language" in a way that means perl/html and not french/german? This is in the gedit manual, I want to speak of the language fo a document
[12:44] <mdke> it's not a condition of membership either, afaik
[12:44] <jono> kiko would prefer that content on help.launchpad.net, would someone be OK to port it over - I would do it myself, but I have a meeting
[12:44] <jono> mdke, its a condition of membership to sign the CoC
[12:44] <mdke> jono: you can do that with a pen though
[12:45] <jono> without a pen?
[12:45] <mdke> there are people without pens?
[12:45] <jono> oh with a pen :P
[12:45] <jono> oops
[12:45] <jono> haha
[12:46] <mdke> I signed my code of conduct with a pen before becoming a member
[12:47] <jono> now it says on the page to sign a CoC "To sign the Code of Conduct, you must first register your openPGP keys."
[12:47] <mdke> to sign it in launchpad, yeah
[12:48] <jono> hmm, I don't think is particularly clear
[12:48] <mdke> not generally though. It's appropriate for many people to use the pen because a signature by pgp without the key being in the strong set is not acceptable for membership
[12:49] <jono> right
[12:50] <mdke> so for most people signing in launchpad doesn't help much
[12:51] <jono> sure
[01:44] <nixternal> mdke: i should have a recent workup of the Kubuntu 6.10 Release Notes here pretty soon, i will post to the list for further review, and I will make sure to let you know it will need further work as we go along
[02:28] <nixternal> mdke: release notes has a section at the bottom "<title>Contributing and Giving Back</title>", should I create a link to the page lloydinho did, or to a document that is being created?
[02:32] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[02:32] <jsgotangco> hey!
[02:32] <jsgotangco> i just arrived from holiday
[02:32] <nixternal> where did you go?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> folks arrived from chicago, went back home down south for a few days, we had a long weekend (holiday today)
[02:33] <jsgotangco> no net access even :)
[02:33] <nixternal> hehe...thats cool
[02:34] <lloydinho> nixternal, the plan is that the Contribute doc also should cover Kubuntu and the other derivatives. If there is any specific Kubuntu information in the Giving Back section, please check if it is included in the Contribute doc.
[02:34] <nixternal> i really dont' think the "contribute" portion should be DE specific do you?  I mean, I help everything, even though on a Kubuntu junky ;)
[02:35] <nixternal> the kurrent "HelpingKubuntu" section on the wiki == ewwww
[02:35] <nixternal> truthfully, i would rather use the doco you created, as it is way way way way better ;)
[02:50] <lloydinho> nixternal, hey - thanks. I agree. Having one point of reference for all of the Ubuntu community would be the best solution.
[02:50] <nixternal> and you created it ;)
[02:51] <lloydinho> heh.. actually, I just put together all the stuff that was already there.
[02:51] <nixternal> you are planning on turning that into .xml correct?
[02:51] <nixternal> so it can get uploaded into edgy?
[02:52] <lloydinho> well, hopefully the wiki-2-docbook export will work well.
[02:52] <lloydinho> There is already a version of it in the SVN repository.
[02:52] <nixternal> oh..well then i will link to it instead
[02:52] <nixternal> as i am sure it will be making it's way into the help stream
[02:52] <lloydinho> cool
[03:33] <nixternal> kubuntu dapper release notes fixed...and added new info to kubuntu edgy release notes ;)
[03:38] <mdke> nixternal: did lloydinho answer your question earlier?
[03:39] <nixternal> about the linking?
[03:39] <nixternal> actually...is that alright to link tot he wiki doco he created?  or should i look at linking to the .xml doco instead for contributing?
[03:40] <mdke> if kubuntu is going to ship the xml doc, best to link to that, yes
[03:40] <mdke> depending on how you are going to publish the release notes
[03:42] <nixternal> im guessing they will get published the way they have in the past
[03:42] <nixternal> i at least laid down a decent little footprint to work off of now for kubuntu on that note
[03:43] <nixternal> is it up to you, or JR about adding that extra xml doc?
[03:43] <mdke> jjesse, I guess. I don't see why it wouldn't be added
[03:44] <mdke> I don't know how kubuntu releasenotes are published, the ubuntu ones for dapper have been published on the wiki and -announce by email (i.e. not in the distribution)
[03:44] <nixternal> hmm..ya, there are release notes in the distro
[04:12] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm?
[04:13] <Riddell> nixternal: how ready are the edgy docs to package?
[04:13] <nixternal> not ready
[04:13] <Riddell> as in are they at least in sync with daper and s/dapper/edgy/
[04:13] <nixternal> well they are in sync with dapper yes
[04:13] <nixternal> edgy not yet
[04:13] <nixternal> im going to work this week on fixing that though
[04:14] <mdke> Riddell: in fact, dapper is not yet in sync with our repository, there are lots of new translations that I don't think have been uploaded yet
[04:14] <mdke> as for edgy, best to wait for a while
[04:14] <Riddell> nixternal: you're the man
[04:15] <nixternal> why thank you, but it is all mr. east ^^ oh and Hobbsee with a pointy stick
[05:34] <mdke> nixternal: if you fancy doing a new patch with the changes Riddell has suggested, I'll upload it
[05:35] <nixternal> i can do that
[05:41] <Riddell> can't nixternal get an svn account?
[05:41] <Riddell> or we could just be sensible and change to bzr, it really is very good these days
[05:45] <mdke> Riddell: bzr, we've discussed it and rejected it for now, and svn account, if you and jjesse are happy that nixternal is submitting well written material, I can ask for him to have an account, I can already vouch for his ability with svn and docbook
[05:46] <Riddell> was it rejected or did the discussion just reach an end?
[05:46] <mdke> Riddell: well, both really
[05:46] <Riddell> with the bzr checkout modes and launchpad hosting any objections I remember should be fixed
[05:47] <mdke> I don't mind seeing some more discussion, I haven't really used bzr yet so can't comment much
[05:47] <Riddell> my personal reasoning is that I've completely lost my svn password :)
[05:47] <mdke> elmo can get that back for ya :)
[05:48] <mdke> Riddell: will you take a look at branches/dapper and test/upload the updates?
[05:48] <Riddell> mdke: sure, added to my TODO list
[05:48] <mdke> thanks
[05:49] <mdke> Riddell: I merged some changes I saw in the archives that weren't in the repo, and added my own changelog entry 
[05:50] <mdke> hopefully i did it right
[05:50] <Riddell> thanks
[05:55] <mdke> nixternal: btw you can use the entities for version numbers, if you happen to be working on that now
[05:55] <nixternal> hehe, you've got mail
[05:56] <mdke> &distro-rev; will get you "6.10"
[05:56] <nixternal> Kubuntu &distro-rev;
[05:56] <mdke> that's it
[05:56] <mdke> nice
[05:58] <mdke> nixternal: thanks for that. There is only one section, "Introduction". Can I change that to make "What's New", "Hardware Recommendations" etc into top level sections?
[05:58] <nixternal> sure
[05:59] <nixternal> there will be more added to that as we go along and add more "edgy" stuff im sure..or as items get updated prior to final release
[05:59] <mdke> ok, I'll do that
[05:59] <mdke> once I've uploaded it, maybe have a look an tell me what you think
[06:00] <nixternal> no problem..thanks
[06:07] <mdke> nixternal: done
[06:08] <mdke> nixternal: btw, best to keep everything on one thread next time, that way if jjesse or someone comes along later, he doesn't get confused about which patches have been applied and which haven;t
[06:08] <nixternal> roger that..will do
[06:10] <nixternal> looks good...thanks for the help there mdke
[06:11] <mdke> np
[06:30] <lloydinho> oy, LaserJock !
[06:32] <LaserJock> hi lloydinho 
[06:32] <lloydinho> all well?
[06:33] <lloydinho> I'm at the Ubuntu sprint in Germany, and asked Ian Jackson about the UDR..
[06:33] <lloydinho> .. he says it's all in your hands now. ;-)
[06:34] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:34] <LaserJock> I wish I felt that way
[06:34] <LaserJock> it's a significant project
[06:34] <LaserJock> I'd hate to screw it up
[06:34] <lloydinho> .. is there any problems about the current Debian Diff format that you'd like to get ironed out?
[06:35] <LaserJock> my biggest problem is looking at maintaining the thing
[06:35] <LaserJock> in the end I don't think there will be much of the original left
[06:36] <lloydinho> oh.
[06:36] <lloydinho> Well, would you prefer to turn to DocBook completely, instead?
[06:36] <LaserJock> and each time Debian does a new version we will have to dig through the diff and make sure we merge changes
[06:36] <LaserJock> I would
[06:36] <LaserJock> as I think Debian will go to DocBook eventually too
[06:37] <LaserJock> but I asked the maintainer and he said it is on his Todo list to look at it
[06:37] <lloydinho> Well, Ian said that wouldn't be much of a problem since he has just commented out all the lines that are irrelevant for Ubuntu.
[06:37] <lloydinho> So the diffs should work okay.
[06:37] <LaserJock> perhaps
[06:37] <LaserJock> but I also wonder about translations
[06:38] <LaserJock> currently Debian has a jp and fr translation that I believe is done by hand
[06:38] <LaserJock> so as soon as I touch the english version the translation is broken
[06:38] <lloydinho> oh. Well, we would want our translation done in Rosetta, anyway - wouldn't we?
[06:39] <lloydinho> It is a new document in that way, so it would be difficult to maintain compatibility with any translations.
[06:39] <LaserJock> mhm
[06:40] <LaserJock> personally, I'd rather fork the docbook version of the DDR into an ubuntu-developers-reference package
[06:40] <LaserJock> but that might be messy, I don't know
[06:41] <lloydinho> Well, that would require it to be maintained completely separately from the DDR.
[06:41] <LaserJock> yep
[06:41] <lloydinho> Either way, I think we should take a decision on the matter.
[06:42] <LaserJock> yes, yes
[06:42] <lloydinho> So: Potentially and likely, Debian will go to DocBook as well..
[06:43] <lloydinho> And: Potentially, and likely, a UDR won't resemble the DDR that much anyway.
[06:43] <LaserJock> I think so
[06:44] <lloydinho> Therefore: We should make a DocBook document for everybody to help out editing.
[06:44] <lloydinho> That will bring us out of the trouble of having to learn Debianish, 
[06:44] <LaserJock> heh
[06:45] <lloydinho> but will land us in trouble of having to get all the relevant information out of it and into the new UDR.
[06:45] <lloydinho> I don't know how easy that would be.
[06:46] <LaserJock> as Ian has said to me before, it kinda sucks no matter which way you go
[06:46] <LaserJock> but in a more British way ;-)
[06:47] <LaserJock> the other thing is if we should work on it in the docteam repo or not
[06:47] <lloydinho> heh
[06:47] <lloydinho> why shouldn't we?
[06:48] <LaserJock> the original spec said clearly that it was supposed to be a developer maintained doc
[06:48] <lloydinho> oh.
[06:48] <LaserJock> at the time I don't think any of the doc team people were MOTUs or core-devs
[06:48] <lloydinho> I don't see any developers too keen on it here, though.
[06:49] <lloydinho> Has to be MOTUs, I think.
[06:49] <lloydinho> (well, at least if you want it to happen soon, anyway)
[06:49] <LaserJock> yes, unfortunately developer documentation is sorely lacking developers 
[06:50] <lloydinho> :-/
[06:50] <lloydinho> I would like to have all the documentation managed by the DocTeam. That would make sense to everybody else.
[06:50] <LaserJock> yes, but what if the doc team has no MOTUs or core-devs in the team?
[06:50] <lloydinho> But it won't matter if there's nobody to actually write it.
[06:51] <LaserJock> I would feel bad burdening the doc team with something that is not in their expertise
[06:51] <lloydinho> eh. Well, obviously there should be MOTUs in the docteam to maintain the developer docs.
[06:51] <LaserJock> I guess that just means I have to be here forever ;-)
[06:51] <trappist> LaserJock: well yeah
[06:52] <LaserJock> well, my involvment in Ubuntu has mushroomed a bit
[06:52] <lloydinho> LaserJock, don't worry. Sooner or later, someone gulllible will show up. 
[06:52] <LaserJock> and I find that I can't spend as much time on docs as I would like
[06:52] <lloydinho> Then you can offload it..
[06:52] <LaserJock> maintaining both the Packaging Guide and Developer's Reference by myself isn't sustainable
[06:53] <trappist> I might be qualified at some point - I do spend a fair amount of time playing with packages, making debdiffs and so on
[06:53] <LaserJock> I can get people to proof-read and stuff like that
[06:53] <lloydinho> that's true. You should definitely avoid biting off more than you can chew
[06:53] <LaserJock> but getting people to actually write a section is a different story
[06:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I like whips for that
[06:54] <LaserJock> I'd like to think that once I get the docs done initially that it wouldn't take too much to maintain them
[06:54] <LaserJock> Burgwork: yeah, but the only the very busy people like crimsun seem to respond
[06:54] <trappist> crimsun is a machine
[06:55] <LaserJock> yes, and I don't think it's a good idea to put more on the busiest people
[06:55] <LaserJock> anyway, so I'm writing but I'm also looking out for people to delegate to
[06:55] <lloydinho> no, unfortunately, these are the people who know all the procedures involved
[06:56] <lloydinho> LaserJock, cool. I think that if you can get a draft up somewhere, it will be a lot easier to get people involved.
[06:56] <LaserJock> yes, for sure
[06:56] <lloydinho> And you can find additional maintainers.
[06:56] <LaserJock> well, I thought that about the packaging guide too
[06:57] <LaserJock> perhaps I just need to market it better ;-)
[06:57] <LaserJock> I've gotten lots of feedback from people using it
[06:57] <lloydinho> Indeed
[06:57] <lloydinho> It's all about making people aware that you do need help with this.
[06:58] <LaserJock> but it's a tough sell on the developer end
[06:59] <LaserJock> ok, so what do you think if I threw a DocBook copy of the DDR in the svn repo?
[06:59] <lloydinho> good. It's good to have something in there that people can work from.
[06:59] <lloydinho> Just so people know it's there.
[07:01] <lloydinho> Can you apply the available Diff to that as well?
[07:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:02] <lloydinho> Sweet. Then we can add it to the list of doc team projects, and people can easily find it and offer to help out (well, in theory at least)
[07:03] <LaserJock> heh
[07:03] <LaserJock> like one of my favorite quotes: "That's all very well in practice, but will it ever work in theory?"
[07:03] <lloydinho> ooh. Clever.
[07:04] <lloydinho> Does it have to?
[07:06] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:10] <lloydinho> woops?
[07:10] <LaserJock> lloydinho: btw, I think my "Getting Involved with Ubuntu" talk went decently well
[07:10] <LaserJock> Corey helped out
[07:11] <lloydinho> LaserJock, oh cool! I completely forgot about the Ubucon!
[07:11] <LaserJock> the intro to launchpad one was interesting too
[07:11] <lloydinho> Did a lot of people attend?
[07:11] <LaserJock> I think there was probably a bit over 60 people at the conference
[07:12] <lloydinho> nice.
[07:12] <LaserJock> and between the 2 talks I think I hit most everybody
[07:12] <LaserJock> mdz and janes showed up
[07:12] <LaserJock> with t-shirts ;-)
[07:13] <lloydinho> oh! That's a sure crowdpleaser.
[07:13] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[07:14] <lloydinho> so, when will all of this hit the news stands?
[07:15] <LaserJock> I feel like the problem with this "contributing" stuff is that it is such and extensive topic that it's virtually impossible to do a decent job of covering everything without totally overwhelming people
[07:15] <lloydinho> LaserJock, that's probably true
[07:16] <lloydinho> It's all about making the central part clear
[07:16] <LaserJock> I got a question like "What is the # in front of #ubuntu?"
[07:16] <lloydinho> "Make it yours!"
[07:16] <lloydinho> huh? as in the IRC channel?
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah, so then I explained what IRC was quickly
[07:17] <lloydinho> I hope that the # only appears when in relation to IRC references
[07:17] <LaserJock> if we try to link people to resources rather than trying to explain *everythin*
[07:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:18] <lloydinho> (thus hopefully making it obvious to some degree)
[07:18] <LaserJock> well, there were a couple of people who didn't know what IRC was
[07:18] <lloydinho> I can't blame them. It's not exactly common knowledge "in the real world"
[07:19] <LaserJock> yep
[07:19] <crimsun> imo the Community Manager would be a good point of contact for said people.
[07:19] <LaserJock> crimsun: you think so? or should there be a team of people for that?
[07:19] <LaserJock> there has been stuff like Live Support
[07:20] <lloydinho> I don't know. I thought Jono would be more about coordinating internally between teams.
[07:20] <LaserJock> but I don't know where that is
[07:20] <crimsun> ideally the CM would put together a team to do that.
[07:20] <crimsun> it would be a tremendous burden to have one person do it all.
[07:20] <LaserJock> yeah, the CM really should be the person to see holes in the community and put together the teams to fill them
[07:20] <LaserJock> I would guess anyway
[07:21] <lloydinho> Anyway, I'll be off for dinner.
[07:22] <LaserJock> k, cya
[07:22] <lloydinho> LaserJock, if you upload the patched UDR, I'll have a look at it later..
[07:22] <lloydinho> To see just how technical it really is.
[07:22] <LaserJock> k
[07:22] <lloydinho> :-)
[07:22] <LaserJock> it's not so much technical
[07:23] <LaserJock> IMO
[07:23] <LaserJock> as it is knowing all the processes and the proper procedures
[07:24] <lloydinho> well, in that case I'll probably be more of a help.
[07:24] <LaserJock> I would think so, I'll make you do it anyway ;-)
[07:25] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[07:25] <lloydinho> uh-oh
[07:27] <LaserJock> ah,  it won't be too bad
[07:27] <crimsun> famous last words.
[07:27] <lloydinho> of course not. We'll just need somebody more gullible to do it for us.
[07:28] <lloydinho> hm. 
[07:28] <LaserJock> ;-)
[07:28] <crimsun> no, we need stuff in universe fixed not languishing kthx
[07:29] <LaserJock> yep, that's going to be the difficulty
[07:29] <LaserJock> if it comes to broken packages vs. nifty dev docs, I'm pretty sure broken packages get the priority
[08:59] <trappist> long-term, the better the dev docs the faster bugs get fixed
[09:00] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:00] <LaserJock> but getting that long-term view is hard when you have a ton of bugs and merges to do now
[09:00] <trappist> yeah
[09:03] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you around?
[09:15] <Burgwork> LaserJock, never. I don't work on Ubuntu
[09:15] <LaserJock> fine, be that way
[09:15] <Burgwork> *grin*
[09:16] <Burgwork> what do you need?
[09:16] <LaserJock> were you going to email the list or something about our talk with mdz
[09:16] <LaserJock> or rather, your talk with mdz
[09:16] <Burgwork> -desktop? I already did
[09:17] <mdke> evening
[09:17] <Burgwork> hey mdke 
[09:18] <LaserJock> yikes
[09:22] <nixternal> lol
[09:22] <nixternal> im sure i spelled that one wrong
[09:30] <LaserJock> I'm not so sure
[09:30] <Burgwork> mdke, oh, my nice cross-posting?
[09:32] <nixternal> was that you Burgwork?
[09:32] <nixternal> i couldn't find it..lol
[09:32] <Burgwork> mdke, I like to call it performance art. Oh, and we need to open the fridge up
[09:59] <mdke> Burgwork: not really your fault, but paul accidentally quoted me as saying something I didn't, by deleting the first part of the sentence.
[10:01] <mdke> so quoting it to the marketing list was unfortunate
[10:02] <Burgwork> mdke, yes, it was
[10:03] <mdke> I was just concerned that someone had done it on purpose, since they didn't, no worries
[10:04] <Burgwork> it was a total brainfart on my part
[10:04] <mdke> as I say, not really your fault
[10:04] <mdke> bad quoting really
[10:05] <Burgwork> two errors made a bigger error
[10:09] <LaserJock> "I have been trying to push my views on the team, [...] " this one?
[10:09] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:17] <mdke> it's a message that I haven't been contributing enough to this team >_<
[10:18] <Burgwork> yep
[10:18] <Burgwork> however, the doc team really needs to kick ourselves in the arse and get moving
[10:18] <mdke> yeah, I dunno what has gone wrong this cycle
[10:18] <LaserJock> nothing has gone wrong I don't think
[10:18] <Burgwork> mdke, I do: We went to work on marketing
[10:19] <LaserJock> exactly
[10:19] <mdke> nah, I have not done any work on marketing
[10:19] <Burgwork> nor myself
[10:19] <LaserJock> we shifted focus from shipped docs to wiki work to UWN et. al.
[10:19] <LaserJock> I think we are all doing lots of work
[10:19] <Burgwork> btw, how did soc project work out?
[10:19] <LaserJock> just not focused on the shipped docs so much
[10:20] <LaserJock> I'll get cracking on Packaging Guide soon enough
[10:20] <LaserJock> I've just got to get other stuff done before freezes
[10:23] <nixternal> im crackin' along slowly but surely on Kubuntu docs, and if you want me to help somewhere else that might be a tad bit more important, let me know
[11:49] <Burgwork> hmm "Adding them is easy enough if you know where to look -- but neither Ubuntu's setup screens nor its help file explain this,"
[11:49] <Burgwork> mp3 playback ^
[11:49] <Burgwork> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/19/AR2006081900101.html?referrer=email&referrer=email&referrer=email
[11:50] <Burgwork> I am going to ask the author where he was looking
[11:50] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm wondering what Ubuntus help file is
[11:51] <LaserJock> but we really could use better information at install or right after
[11:54] <LaserJock> ok, this is a bit annoying
[11:55] <LaserJock> I like the tabs at the top of the various Ubuntu websites
[11:55] <LaserJock> but they all go to different places
[11:55] <LaserJock> depending on what site you are on
[11:55] <LaserJock> totally inconsistent
[11:55] <LaserJock> and confusing