[12:47] <johnlittle> http://www.johnlittle.org/
[12:50] <jenda> now that's serious spam, johnlittle :-D
[12:50] <johnlittle> ?
[12:50] <jenda> BTw, I made a LP product for ubuntuvideo...
[12:51] <jenda> maybe it emailed you?
[12:51] <johnlittle> LP?
[12:51] <johnlittle> launchpad?
[12:51] <johnlittle> ah no email here
[12:52] <johnlittle> ok I see it.
[12:56] <johnlittle> Ubuntu and ubuntu video made news in israel: http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=391090&sid=127
[12:56] <johnlittle> no idea what it says but they link to both and captured shots from a lot of the videos
[12:57] <johnlittle> thats a huge site..ranked in the top 500 by alexa
[12:58] <jenda> wow
[12:59] <johnlittle> I just hope people start making something besides xgl videos..im going to run out in a couple of weeks
[12:59] <johnlittle> if the pace doesn't pick up. I think it will though. People are emailing and saying they will make new vids.
[01:08] <lophyte> johnlittle: I'll be sure not to make xgl videos :)
[01:15] <johnlittle> lophyte: lol thx
[01:15] <lophyte> johnlittle: you already saw a couple of ideas for our videos... they're pretty creative\
[01:15] <johnlittle> yeah i'm looking forward to seeing those
[01:17] <johnlittle> did you see the suse videos on my blog?
[01:17] <lophyte> nope
[01:17] <johnlittle> http://www.johnlittle.org/
[01:17] <johnlittle> suse is doing great stuff with video
[01:21] <lophyte> from this video project, I'm hoping to initiate a Toronto team, and (hopefully) have similar success as nixternal has been having in Chicago
[01:21] <lophyte> I was reading something he wrote on the mailing list about it and it was inspirational
[01:24] <lophyte> LOL that date with SuSE video is awesome
[01:25] <johnlittle> You can definitely find some ubuntu users in toronto...it shoudl be ripe for a ubuntu charge
[01:25] <Burgundavia> lophyte: have you ended up meeting up with anybody from toronto? Is there anything I can help you with, as your Loco Team leader?
[01:26] <lophyte> Burgundavia: a few of us are meeting on Wednesday to discuss this video project
[01:28] <lophyte> I'm essentially just making Ubuntu Canada more local.. that's my goal
[01:28] <Burgundavia> that works
[01:28] <Burgundavia> I need to figure out a good Canada wide project, but I am still stuck
[01:29] <lophyte> how about a national grassroots marketing day?
[01:30] <lophyte> pick a day, organize teams by city, and have them go out to the streets and market Ubuntu as much as they can
[01:30] <johnlittle> grassroots marketing = selling weed in canada ;p
[01:30] <lophyte> LOL
[01:31] <Burgundavia> we could do that on SFC
[01:31] <Burgundavia> SFD, rather
[01:31] <lophyte> SFD?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> software freedom day
[01:32] <lophyte> ah.. when's that?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> sept, early
[01:33] <johnlittle> 16th
[01:33] <Burgundavia> there we go
[01:34] <lophyte> hrm.. that doesn't give us much time
[01:35] <johnlittle> partnering with a LUG might be a good way to jump start everything
[01:36] <nixternal> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6054183834057243507&q=apple+keynote&hl=en
[01:38] <johnlittle> steve jobs scares me
[01:39] <nixternal> lol
[01:39] <johnlittle> very cool presentation
[01:41] <nixternal> anybody create a bug #2 and include this guy ;)
[01:41] <jenda> haha, rofl :-D
[01:42] <jenda> It's a lot better than Steve Balmer, you know;)
[01:42] <nixternal> 50% of 1.33m units sold were to new users
[01:42] <johnlittle> if i watch 2 more minutes of this i'll have to rush out and buy a macbook and black turtleneck
[01:42] <nixternal> their commercials work, because deep down, apple sucks just like microsoft ;)
[01:42] <jenda> muhehe
[01:43] <nixternal> whoa, no more power macs
[01:43] <nixternal> oooh...dude im drooling on hardwoare ;)
[01:45] <johnlittle> yeah..its nice
[01:50] <johnlittle> ;p
[01:50] <nixternal> muhahha
[01:50] <nixternal> dude, you will never ever see me using an apple os, but i will use apple hardware w/o a doubt
[01:51] <nixternal> as soon as this new pro comes out..im getting one
[01:51] <johnlittle> same old story for me..i love the apple hardware but i truly hate the OS
[01:53] <johnlittle> i like these: http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/
[02:23] <lophyte> Burgundavia: you still around?
[02:23] <Burgundavia> lophyte: yep
[02:23] <lophyte> Burgundavia: you wanna try and organize that for SFD?
[02:23] <lophyte> I'll help out
[02:23] <Burgundavia> sure. I know the local lug is doing something
[02:23] <Burgundavia> I need to collect a list of lug email addys, basically
[02:23] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, the local lug is doing something aside from argue & drink beer?!
[02:24] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: they are piggy-backing with BB&C and the photo people
[02:25] <Madpilot> cool
[02:28] <lophyte> Burgundavia: I'll see what the Toronto guys say and we'll go from there... maybe you should post something on the website, and to the mailing list?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> sure, but not tonight
[02:28] <lophyte> alright
[02:29] <lophyte> that leaves us with roughly 3 weeks
[02:29] <lophyte> I'm not sure if that's enough time.. we'd need CDs
[02:29] <lophyte> it'd take longer than that to order a batch of them
[02:36] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:37] <Burgundavia> we can get some in earlier, if we talk to the rigth peope
[02:37] <nixternal> hey Burgundavia, just so you know, make it quick...as there have been some recent issues with shipit
[02:38] <nixternal> they are backed up big time..as i was getting mine for Ubuntu Chicago within 7 days every rip..and the last batch i ordered they called me and said, they were having issues and were kind of backordered
[02:38] <Burgundavia> right
[02:39] <Burgundavia> SFD is probably creating the issues
[02:39] <nixternal> i have the ladies name if you don't yet
[02:39] <nixternal> very well could have been
[02:39] <nixternal> and i bet it was actually
[02:39] <nixternal> didn't even think of that
[02:39] <Burgundavia> marilize? yes, I have met her personaly
[02:39] <nixternal> ok cool
[02:39] <nixternal> she is really nice
[02:42] <nixternal> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/44501-DSCN4758.JPG
[02:45] <lophyte> Burgundavia: keep me posted about that so I can order a batch for the Toronto team
[02:45] <Burgundavia> ok, will do
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the opencd still ubuntu live ?
[02:46] <lophyte> nixternal: what kinds of activities have you been doing with Ubuntu Chicago on a regular basis?
[02:46] <nixternal> everything
[02:46] <nixternal> demos, install fests and what not
[02:47] <lophyte> where do you do the demos?
[02:47] <lophyte> I'm trying to get ideas for the Toronto team.. I have a few but it can't hurt to have more
[02:47] <nixternal> computer shows, festivles and what not
[02:48] <lophyte> ahh.. how much does it usually cost for a booth at a computer show?
[02:49] <Burgundavia> lots, but for a non-profit, not too much
[02:49] <nixternal> i think we pay for 3 tables + 1 free for like $150 i think
[02:49] <Burgundavia> you can sometimes even get them for nothing
[02:49] <lophyte> ah, that's not too bad
[02:49] <lophyte> if the group pools money together
[02:49] <nixternal> and we setup a machine for each distro, and then a gaming rig, and an xgl rig
[02:50] <nixternal> actually..they just hammered our local show, and the guy stopped it..it was a great show, as we would do one day at the booth, and then on sunday we would do the install fests
[02:50] <lophyte> I wanted to do a street team.. basically find a busy street corner and hand out CDs
[02:50] <jenda> damn I should go to sleep...
[02:50] <nixternal> we do that quite a bit actually
[02:50] <lophyte> does it work well?
[02:50] <nixternal> sleep is for the dead
[02:50] <jenda> Good night ;)
[02:50] <nixternal> g'nite jendapoo
[02:50] <nixternal> ;)
[02:54] <lophyte> nixternal: thanks for the tips.. I'll have to see where things go with the Toronto team
[02:57] <Burgundavia> lophyte: I emailed marilize asking if they were backed up
[02:58] <lophyte> Burgundavia: alright.. what do we do if they are?
[02:58] <Burgundavia> we order some
[02:59] <lophyte> yeah... we don't *have* to have this national marketing day on SFD.. it'd just be nice
[03:00] <lophyte> if we can't get CDs by then, we can always schedule for a later date
[04:02] <rjian> hello people
[04:15] <rjian> hello Burgundavia and Elkbuntu
[04:15] <Burgundavia> hey rjian
[04:17] <rjian> all people are BZ here.. hehe
[04:18] <Madpilot> BZ?
[04:21] <rjian> hello madpilot
[04:28] <johnlittle> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37743373/
[04:37] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: what font is that?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> the "Human for windows" part
[04:37] <johnlittle> I don't know..it's nice
[04:39] <rjian> nice design
[04:40] <rjian> whos design is that?
[04:43] <johnlittle> the author is on the page
[05:15] <Madpilot> johnlittle, interesting,,, but almost obscene, tarting XP up to look like a quality OS like that...
[05:15] <Madpilot> ;)
[05:16] <johnlittle> agreed..it's a good sign though I think
[05:16] <rjian> 8-)
[06:18] <Madpilot> Cthulhubuntu: Linux for Devouring Human Souls
[06:18] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: nice
[06:21] <johnlittle> lol
[06:22] <johnlittle> burgundavia: forgot to tell you - great job at LW
[06:23] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: it was fun
[06:23] <Burgundavia> my throat is so hoarse from talking
[06:23] <johnlittle> I bet...never been to one but would love to go one day
[06:24] <johnlittle> I've been looking for video with you guys in it but no luck yet
[06:28] <johnlittle> photos up at os news: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=15518
[06:31] <Burgundavia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08yvKUW-9Bc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echaser%2Ecom%2Eau%2Findex%2Ephp
[06:32] <Burgundavia> those are terrible pictures
[06:32] <Burgundavia> I really was as tired as a look
[06:32] <Burgundavia> I pretty much ran the whole week on nothing
[06:34] <johnlittle> How much support did you get from canonical?
[06:34] <nixternal> none, cuz he was pimpin' gnome ;)
[06:35] <nixternal> hehe
[06:35] <johnlittle> Thought he was reppin ubuntu in some capacity too
[06:36] <nixternal> of course...he always reps ubuntu ;)
[06:36] <Burgundavia> it was the GNOME booth, which just happened to only have Ubuntu and DiscoverStation on showcase
[06:36] <johnlittle> haha
[06:37] <johnlittle> so was there an ubuntu booth?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> two actually
[06:37] <johnlittle> staffed with canonical peeps?
[06:37] <Burgundavia> one with canonical in the main area and in the .org, the california team
[06:37] <nixternal> ubuntu california i think
[06:37] <Burgundavia> UWN talks about it
[06:38] <nixternal> heh
[06:38] <johnlittle> i retained nothing from that 4am editing session lol
[06:39] <johnlittle> burgundavia: nice prank..wouldnt want to get caught doing that tho
[06:40] <Burgundavia> what, in the GNOME booth?
[06:40] <johnlittle> nah the video you posted
[06:40] <johnlittle> mr. terrorist
[06:40] <Burgundavia> right
[06:41] <nixternal> which one is better, easyubuntu or automatix?
[06:41] <nixternal> actually...probably doesn't matter..as i bet neither are ready for edgy
[06:42] <Burgundavia> neither
[06:42] <Burgundavia> see CommonCustomizations
[06:43] <nixternal> heh, already had that open ;)
[06:44] <Burgundavia> that is all you need to know
[06:44] <Burgundavia> these are the third party hacks you are looking for
[06:46] <johnlittle> btw I killed slab...probably great for a lot of people but too limited for me.
[06:47] <Burgundavia> too limited how?
[06:48] <johnlittle> Maybe not limited but too many clicks required if you do lots of system and administrative stuff through the menus. I don't want to pop up additional windows to pick an app
[06:51] <johnlittle> I like my GNOME drawer for common apps anyway
[06:54] <johnlittle> If I was going to setup a relative with ubuntu I'd probably install slab. I think it's an easy transition for Windows users
[06:55] <Burgundavia> right, except it all the issues of the start menu
[06:55] <Burgundavia> well, maybe not all of them
[06:55] <Burgundavia> I wouldn't do anything. Simply tell them about the menu is different. They will take about 30 secs to realize the difference and then love it
[06:55] <Burgundavia> we have to stop assuming Windows users are not willing to change
[06:56] <johnlittle> I support 34.000 windows users at work. Many of them are not willing to change anything. Point taken though
[06:57] <Burgundavia> whip|lwe supports 2800 and they get the default desktop
[06:57] <Burgundavia> users will use what they get, in a corporate environment
[06:58] <johnlittle> Yep but pushing change can be extremely difficult. esp in a non-technical environment
[06:58] <johnlittle> we move an icon and it can be months of frustration
[06:58] <johnlittle> but im in healthcare - one of the worst places for that kind of stuff by far
[07:00] <johnlittle> I had a far easier time with systems changes at places like NASA...there was resistance but not incompetence
[07:03] <johnlittle> anyone read hebrew?
[07:03] <nixternal> i can barely read english
[07:03] <johnlittle> lol
[07:04] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1403466#post1403466 <-- please go fill this out
[07:05] <nixternal> i refuse to
[07:05] <nixternal> gnome games bah
[07:05] <nixternal> ;)
[07:05] <nixternal> ls
[07:05] <nixternal> oop..wrong keyboard ;)
[07:06] <johnlittle> i answered but it probably isn't the feedback youre looking for
[07:07] <Burgundavia> none is perfectly acceptable answer
[07:07] <johnlittle> is there a link you can point to that lists games that might be added? some kind of master list of gnome games?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> no, not currently
[07:11] <Burgundavia> you can propose any game that is GTK
[07:13] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, I predict you're going to be spending a lot of time on that list shooting down non-GTK games ;)
[07:14] <johnlittle> OMG IS UT2004 GTK?!?!!
[07:17] <Burgundavia> I did mention GTK only
[07:17] <Burgundavia> and I don't care what people say, I will do a filter on it anyway
[07:25] <Madpilot> Lord Dog, there's some stupid stuff in that Edgy forum...
[07:26] <Madpilot> anyway, I spammed/contributed to your games thread
[07:28] <Burgundavia> you confirmed what I thought
[07:28] <Burgundavia> nobody plays half that crap
[07:28] <Burgundavia> I think popcon only does packages, which makes it hard for this
[07:29] <Madpilot> um, the plural of anecdote isn't "data", esp. when you have only one or two opinions so far ;)
[07:32] <Burgundavia> right
[07:34] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to crash
[07:52] <poningru> yarr
[11:27] <rjian> Elkbuntu: u there?
[11:28] <rjian> anybody here?
[11:28] <Madpilot> no
[11:28] <Madpilot> ;)
[11:29] <rjian> hello madpilot.. can u give me the links on the news of ubuntu?
[11:29] <Madpilot> rjian, fridge.ubuntu.com is the best place to start
[11:29] <elkbuntu> here now
[12:04] <matthewrevell> silbs: Hi Jane
[12:09] <elkbuntu> wb matthewrevell :)
[12:10] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: hey :)
[12:10] <elkbuntu> is all well?
[12:11] <matthewrevell> elkbuntu: Not bad thanks.
[03:08] <johnlittle> matthewrevell: ping
[03:10] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: HI
[03:11] <johnlittle> wb..can you approve emails to -news?
[03:11] <matthewrevell> johnlittle: Nah, not me, I'm afraid.
[03:31] <nixternal> johnlittle: why do you need something approved?
[03:31] <nixternal> you got the bounce saying your email is awaiting approval?
[06:37] <johnlittle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meZcg4EHefU
[10:13] <matthewrevell> he
[10:13] <matthewrevell> hello
[10:14] <Burgwork> hello again matthewrevell
[10:16] <matthewrevell> hey :)