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BlueT_@shcedule04:48
BlueT_@schedule04:48
UbugtuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Aug 16:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team04:48
BlueT_@schedule taipei04:48
UbugtuSchedule for Asia/Taipei: 23 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 04:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 04:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team04:48
licio@schedule Sao_Paulo04:49
UbugtuSchedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 22 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team04:49
DBO@schedule detroit05:07
UbugtuSchedule for America/Detroit: 22 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team05:07
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Arbiter@schedule Rome08:15
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team08:15
Hobbsee@schedule sydney08:15
UbugtuSchedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Aug 02:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 06:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 06:00: Edubuntu | 01 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team08:15
HobbseeArbiter: 2 am?  that's worse.08:16
HobbseeArbiter: i'd forgotten that it was the tech board that was at 608:16
nixternal@chicago08:17
nixternalhaha08:17
nixternal@schedule chicago08:17
UbugtuSchedule for America/Chicago: 22 Aug 11:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 15:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team08:17
nixternalthats about wakey time for me ;)08:17
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Hobbseenixternal: i would stay up, but i'm not on holidays anymore.08:19
Hobbseenixternal: which makes meetings hard to get to, when they're in the middle of the night, and i've got to be alive the next day08:19
Hobbseehey jenda 08:20
nixternalya, im back to school as well, again with my old arse ;)08:20
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nixternalhiya jenda08:20
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FujitsuBut then again, I'm on the wrong side of the world :P08:21
jenda:-D08:21
=== jenda likes those times, but they should rotate.
FujitsuThey should.08:21
Fujitsu2am for every meeting isn't ideal.08:21
Hobbseejenda: they used to08:22
HobbseeFujitsu: indeed.  we australians get the bad end of the stick.08:22
FujitsuYeah...08:22
HobbseeFujitsu: kubuntu meetings we win though - because they seem to want me there, so stick it in a time where i can be there08:22
FujitsuHeheh.08:23
FujitsuYou are sort of critical to them :P08:23
HobbseeFujitsu: well...i'm only one of 6 who needs to be there - ie they can have any 3 out of those six there.08:24
FujitsuI guess.08:24
Hobbseeif i've got half the agenda like usual, then yeah, i do need to be there :P08:24
FujitsuProbably!08:24
jendaFujitsu: 2 AM is a great time for a meeting :) It's just before I go to bed ;)08:25
FujitsuI'd be decapitated by my parents if I were to stay up until 3am or so!08:25
jendaIs that standard procedure in australia? Amazing.08:27
HobbseeFujitsu: same here.  actually, they dont get quite so annoyed now.08:27
ajmitchHobbsee: I think they've given up on trying to get you to change :)08:28
Hobbseeajmitch: point.08:28
Hobbseeajmitch: i've almost gotten around kerfew too :P08:28
FujitsuWell, I'm not exactly old :P08:31
Fujitsu*curfew08:31
FujitsuAh. I've got a librep merge to do again...08:31
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Hobbseehehe.  again.08:33
FujitsuYes.08:34
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FujitsuAnd I've got 5 others that I did a while ago which I never bothered to request to be uploaded >_<08:34
Hobbseedo they build now?08:34
FujitsuI haven't checked, but I'll do so now.08:34
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jendaSee y'all08:35
FujitsuPfft.08:35
FujitsuReal life.08:35
FujitsuWhat a silly concept.08:35
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nixternal@time09:53
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: August 21 2006, 07:53:05 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 day09:53
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jordiwhere's og?06:10
raphinkin brazil I think06:11
raphink:)06:11
jordigreat :)06:11
danilosI think he's not, I think he's in USA :)06:11
carlosyeah, he's in USA06:12
carlosbut not yet connected...06:12
raphinkoh ok :)06:12
carloslet's wait a bit...06:12
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GnuKemistcarlos hi06:16
carlosGnuKemist: hi, Og?06:16
GnuKemistcarlos yup06:16
carlosok06:16
carloslet's start06:16
GnuKemistcarlos conected from work ;)06:16
carlosjordi, danilos?06:16
carlosGnuKemist: hmm, I thought this time was better for you to connect from home....06:16
carlosanyway, you are here ;-)06:17
GnuKemistcarlos hehehe06:17
jordihello06:17
GnuKemistcarlos I am connected from work via ssh06:17
carlosI see06:17
GnuKemisthi jordi 06:17
carlosso06:17
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carlosGnuKemist: We (danilos, jordi and I) had a meeting last week06:18
carlosand from that meeting, we got the document I sent you06:18
GnuKemistk06:18
carloswe think that more or less those are the main tasks that such position should cover06:18
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=== GnuKemist looking for that email
GnuKemistcarlos and it does coincide with what I expected as well06:19
carlosGnuKemist: Is there anything else you think we should add? or it's a 100% match ?06:20
GnuKemistcarlos it seems to be right on the money06:20
carloshmm06:22
carlosthen...06:22
carlosGnuKemist: do you want that we explain better any part of that document before going to the Ubuntu CC with it?06:23
GnuKemistcarlos you followed the thread about upstream translations, right?06:23
GnuKemistcarlos am asking b/c I think it pretty much shows what I intend to do06:24
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GnuKemistcarlos and is a matter of checking if that is the same direction you want to go06:24
carlosGnuKemist: well, I'm a bit behind on that thread (and others) but more or less I know the problematic there06:24
danilosGnuKemist: upstream coordination is just one of things to do :)06:24
GnuKemistdanilos right06:24
danilosGnuKemist: and I wonder about what priorities would you give to each of the tasks we mentioned06:25
danilosi.e. what's more important06:25
GnuKemistcarlos danilos I have written a few entried about translation procedures as well06:25
danilosin your opinion, of course :)06:25
GnuKemistdanilos I think that since Edgy is right around the corner, it would be too soon to get things done the way I expect06:25
GnuKemistdanilos it will take a lot of meetings and flexibility to get eveyone into the same train06:26
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GnuKemistdanilos so I would prioritize getting Rosetta to attend the users' needs06:26
danilosGnuKemist: sure, I'm not talking about that short of a timeframe (we even already have set our goals for Rosetta as well)06:26
GnuKemistdanilos and get some SOPs for the team leaders06:27
GnuKemistdanilos as far as how to "run" their teams06:27
carlosGnuKemist: well, is better to start planning what should be done after edgy + 1 06:27
GnuKemistdanilos and manuals for standardizing translations, etc06:27
GnuKemistcarlos sure06:27
carlosbecause we usually plan our work a month after release 06:27
danilosGnuKemist: SOPs? 06:28
GnuKemistcarlos I would say a boot camp with representatives from major localization teams should get together06:28
GnuKemistdanilos standardized operation manuals06:28
GnuKemistdanilos or protocoles06:28
carloshmm, that would be a good idea, not sure if it would be possible, but we could try06:29
danilosGnuKemist: ok, thanks06:29
GnuKemistcarlos sort of along the same thing that happened in Paris06:29
GnuKemistcarlos but for localization06:29
danilosI'm somewhat unsure about boot camp idea, it sounds impossible06:29
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GnuKemistcarlos it is my oppinion that it is hard to properly convey ideas through emails, irc06:30
carloswell, I think we talk about GNOME, KDE, GNU, OpenOffice, Firefox and Ubuntu06:30
GnuKemistdanilos I think you're right but I think it is worth a shot06:30
jordiboot camp idea?06:30
jordiI've lost that bit somewhere06:30
GnuKemistcarlos yes06:30
jordioh06:30
jordiok, I see it06:30
GnuKemistjordi think like the meeting that took place in Paris06:31
danilosjordi: you lazy bum :P06:31
GnuKemisthey sfair ;)06:31
jordihey I somehow skipped that line :)06:31
GnuKemisthehe06:31
GnuKemistanyhow06:31
sfairhi my friend GnuKemist :-) 06:31
carlosGnuKemist: I'm not quite sure I agree with what you said in one of your emails: "I have a really tough "sell" to06:31
carlosconvince people to perform translations via Rosetta and not directly06:31
carloswith the organized sub-groups such as Gnome or KDE"06:31
jordiGnuKemist: I see. I think that's difficult to make it happen though06:31
GnuKemistI have some great tallented people who would support me in developing some manuals, etc06:31
carlosGnuKemist: we should offer them Rosetta to do translations but keep their current organization06:32
GnuKemistjordi absolutely... but I'm up to the challenge06:32
GnuKemistcarlos I guess we could find a happy medium06:32
GnuKemistcarlos thus the boot camp ideia06:32
carlosso they just have Rosetta as another tool to do translations06:32
danilosyeah, I agree with carlos: we just need to allow for different workflows, and they will come :)06:32
GnuKemistidea06:32
GnuKemistwhat we need is to strike the right balance06:33
jordisure, but that leaves us with the merging in svn problem, calros06:33
carlosand our target should be that it's so good that everyone wants to use it, but always without forcing them to switch the way they want to work06:33
GnuKemistcarlos absolutely right06:33
GnuKemistmaybe we could try a Skype-meeting06:34
danilosanyway, lets not get into Rosetta future plans right now :)06:34
GnuKemistdanilos ok06:34
GnuKemistdanilos but I must tell you, this is my holy grail06:34
carlosyeah, this is just a brief meeting before giving our ideas to the Ubuntu CC06:34
GnuKemist;)06:34
GnuKemistI basically want to see Rosetta as the main repository for localization par to none06:35
carlosGnuKemist: we too ;-)06:35
GnuKemistall distros would benefit from it06:35
carlosbut we have a long way to reach that goal06:35
GnuKemistbut better yet, the global community would benefit the most06:35
GnuKemistcarlos +106:36
GnuKemistcarlos that is why I'm in this for the long haul06:36
carlosok so, Do we agree to send that document directly to the CC ?06:36
GnuKemist+106:36
jordigo for it06:36
danilossure carlos06:36
carlosok06:37
GnuKemistanything you guys need from me?06:37
carlosI think that's all06:37
carlosthank you very much 06:37
carloslet's see what the CC decides on this subjet ;-)06:37
GnuKemistI for instance need to be introduced to the key people from each group06:37
GnuKemistcarlos danilos jordi ok... so I guess I'll go grab lunch now  ;)06:39
carlosGnuKemist: ok, thanks fro comming06:39
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GnuKemistcarlos my pleasure06:39
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GNAM@schedule rome10:34
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team10:34
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