[04:48] <BlueT_> @shcedule
[04:48] <BlueT_> @schedule
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 22 Aug 16:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:48] <BlueT_> @schedule taipei
[04:48] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Taipei: 23 Aug 00:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 04:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 04:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:49] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[04:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 22 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:07] <DBO> @schedule detroit
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Detroit: 22 Aug 12:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 08:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 16:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 16:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:15] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:15] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Aug 02:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 30 Aug 06:00: Technical Board | 31 Aug 06:00: Edubuntu | 01 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: 2 am?  that's worse.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: i'd forgotten that it was the tech board that was at 6
[08:17] <nixternal> @chicago
[08:17] <nixternal> haha
[08:17] <nixternal> @schedule chicago
[08:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 22 Aug 11:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 15:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:17] <nixternal> thats about wakey time for me ;)
[08:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i would stay up, but i'm not on holidays anymore.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which makes meetings hard to get to, when they're in the middle of the night, and i've got to be alive the next day
[08:20] <Hobbsee> hey jenda 
[08:20] <nixternal> ya, im back to school as well, again with my old arse ;)
[08:20] <nixternal> hiya jenda
[08:21] <Fujitsu> But then again, I'm on the wrong side of the world :P
[08:21] <jenda> :-D
[08:21] <Fujitsu> They should.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> 2am for every meeting isn't ideal.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> jenda: they used to
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed.  we australians get the bad end of the stick.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Yeah...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: kubuntu meetings we win though - because they seem to want me there, so stick it in a time where i can be there
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> You are sort of critical to them :P
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: well...i'm only one of 6 who needs to be there - ie they can have any 3 out of those six there.
[08:24] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> if i've got half the agenda like usual, then yeah, i do need to be there :P
[08:24] <Fujitsu> Probably!
[08:25] <jenda> Fujitsu: 2 AM is a great time for a meeting :) It's just before I go to bed ;)
[08:25] <Fujitsu> I'd be decapitated by my parents if I were to stay up until 3am or so!
[08:27] <jenda> Is that standard procedure in australia? Amazing.
[08:27] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: same here.  actually, they dont get quite so annoyed now.
[08:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I think they've given up on trying to get you to change :)
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: point.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i've almost gotten around kerfew too :P
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Well, I'm not exactly old :P
[08:31] <Fujitsu> *curfew
[08:31] <Fujitsu> Ah. I've got a librep merge to do again...
[08:33] <Hobbsee> hehe.  again.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[08:34] <Fujitsu> And I've got 5 others that I did a while ago which I never bothered to request to be uploaded >_<
[08:34] <Hobbsee> do they build now?
[08:34] <Fujitsu> I haven't checked, but I'll do so now.
[08:35] <jenda> See y'all
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Pfft.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> Real life.
[08:35] <Fujitsu> What a silly concept.
[09:53] <nixternal> @time
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 21 2006, 07:53:05 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 day
[06:10] <jordi> where's og?
[06:11] <raphink> in brazil I think
[06:11] <raphink> :)
[06:11] <jordi> great :)
[06:11] <danilos> I think he's not, I think he's in USA :)
[06:12] <carlos> yeah, he's in USA
[06:12] <carlos> but not yet connected...
[06:12] <raphink> oh ok :)
[06:12] <carlos> let's wait a bit...
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos hi
[06:16] <carlos> GnuKemist: hi, Og?
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos yup
[06:16] <carlos> ok
[06:16] <carlos> let's start
[06:16] <GnuKemist> carlos conected from work ;)
[06:16] <carlos> jordi, danilos?
[06:16] <carlos> GnuKemist: hmm, I thought this time was better for you to connect from home....
[06:17] <carlos> anyway, you are here ;-)
[06:17] <GnuKemist> carlos hehehe
[06:17] <jordi> hello
[06:17] <GnuKemist> carlos I am connected from work via ssh
[06:17] <carlos> I see
[06:17] <GnuKemist> hi jordi 
[06:17] <carlos> so
[06:18] <carlos> GnuKemist: We (danilos, jordi and I) had a meeting last week
[06:18] <carlos> and from that meeting, we got the document I sent you
[06:18] <GnuKemist> k
[06:18] <carlos> we think that more or less those are the main tasks that such position should cover
[06:19] <GnuKemist> carlos and it does coincide with what I expected as well
[06:20] <carlos> GnuKemist: Is there anything else you think we should add? or it's a 100% match ?
[06:20] <GnuKemist> carlos it seems to be right on the money
[06:22] <carlos> hmm
[06:22] <carlos> then...
[06:23] <carlos> GnuKemist: do you want that we explain better any part of that document before going to the Ubuntu CC with it?
[06:23] <GnuKemist> carlos you followed the thread about upstream translations, right?
[06:24] <GnuKemist> carlos am asking b/c I think it pretty much shows what I intend to do
[06:24] <GnuKemist> carlos and is a matter of checking if that is the same direction you want to go
[06:24] <carlos> GnuKemist: well, I'm a bit behind on that thread (and others) but more or less I know the problematic there
[06:24] <danilos> GnuKemist: upstream coordination is just one of things to do :)
[06:24] <GnuKemist> danilos right
[06:25] <danilos> GnuKemist: and I wonder about what priorities would you give to each of the tasks we mentioned
[06:25] <danilos> i.e. what's more important
[06:25] <GnuKemist> carlos danilos I have written a few entried about translation procedures as well
[06:25] <danilos> in your opinion, of course :)
[06:25] <GnuKemist> danilos I think that since Edgy is right around the corner, it would be too soon to get things done the way I expect
[06:26] <GnuKemist> danilos it will take a lot of meetings and flexibility to get eveyone into the same train
[06:26] <GnuKemist> danilos so I would prioritize getting Rosetta to attend the users' needs
[06:26] <danilos> GnuKemist: sure, I'm not talking about that short of a timeframe (we even already have set our goals for Rosetta as well)
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos and get some SOPs for the team leaders
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos as far as how to "run" their teams
[06:27] <carlos> GnuKemist: well, is better to start planning what should be done after edgy + 1 
[06:27] <GnuKemist> danilos and manuals for standardizing translations, etc
[06:27] <GnuKemist> carlos sure
[06:27] <carlos> because we usually plan our work a month after release 
[06:28] <danilos> GnuKemist: SOPs? 
[06:28] <GnuKemist> carlos I would say a boot camp with representatives from major localization teams should get together
[06:28] <GnuKemist> danilos standardized operation manuals
[06:28] <GnuKemist> danilos or protocoles
[06:29] <carlos> hmm, that would be a good idea, not sure if it would be possible, but we could try
[06:29] <danilos> GnuKemist: ok, thanks
[06:29] <GnuKemist> carlos sort of along the same thing that happened in Paris
[06:29] <GnuKemist> carlos but for localization
[06:29] <danilos> I'm somewhat unsure about boot camp idea, it sounds impossible
[06:30] <GnuKemist> carlos it is my oppinion that it is hard to properly convey ideas through emails, irc
[06:30] <carlos> well, I think we talk about GNOME, KDE, GNU, OpenOffice, Firefox and Ubuntu
[06:30] <GnuKemist> danilos I think you're right but I think it is worth a shot
[06:30] <jordi> boot camp idea?
[06:30] <jordi> I've lost that bit somewhere
[06:30] <GnuKemist> carlos yes
[06:30] <jordi> oh
[06:30] <jordi> ok, I see it
[06:31] <GnuKemist> jordi think like the meeting that took place in Paris
[06:31] <danilos> jordi: you lazy bum :P
[06:31] <GnuKemist> hey sfair ;)
[06:31] <jordi> hey I somehow skipped that line :)
[06:31] <GnuKemist> hehe
[06:31] <GnuKemist> anyhow
[06:31] <sfair> hi my friend GnuKemist :-) 
[06:31] <carlos> GnuKemist: I'm not quite sure I agree with what you said in one of your emails: "I have a really tough "sell" to
[06:31] <carlos> convince people to perform translations via Rosetta and not directly
[06:31] <carlos> with the organized sub-groups such as Gnome or KDE"
[06:31] <jordi> GnuKemist: I see. I think that's difficult to make it happen though
[06:31] <GnuKemist> I have some great tallented people who would support me in developing some manuals, etc
[06:32] <carlos> GnuKemist: we should offer them Rosetta to do translations but keep their current organization
[06:32] <GnuKemist> jordi absolutely... but I'm up to the challenge
[06:32] <GnuKemist> carlos I guess we could find a happy medium
[06:32] <GnuKemist> carlos thus the boot camp ideia
[06:32] <carlos> so they just have Rosetta as another tool to do translations
[06:32] <danilos> yeah, I agree with carlos: we just need to allow for different workflows, and they will come :)
[06:32] <GnuKemist> idea
[06:33] <GnuKemist> what we need is to strike the right balance
[06:33] <jordi> sure, but that leaves us with the merging in svn problem, calros
[06:33] <carlos> and our target should be that it's so good that everyone wants to use it, but always without forcing them to switch the way they want to work
[06:33] <GnuKemist> carlos absolutely right
[06:34] <GnuKemist> maybe we could try a Skype-meeting
[06:34] <danilos> anyway, lets not get into Rosetta future plans right now :)
[06:34] <GnuKemist> danilos ok
[06:34] <GnuKemist> danilos but I must tell you, this is my holy grail
[06:34] <carlos> yeah, this is just a brief meeting before giving our ideas to the Ubuntu CC
[06:34] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:35] <GnuKemist> I basically want to see Rosetta as the main repository for localization par to none
[06:35] <carlos> GnuKemist: we too ;-)
[06:35] <GnuKemist> all distros would benefit from it
[06:35] <carlos> but we have a long way to reach that goal
[06:35] <GnuKemist> but better yet, the global community would benefit the most
[06:36] <GnuKemist> carlos +1
[06:36] <GnuKemist> carlos that is why I'm in this for the long haul
[06:36] <carlos> ok so, Do we agree to send that document directly to the CC ?
[06:36] <GnuKemist> +1
[06:36] <jordi> go for it
[06:36] <danilos> sure carlos
[06:37] <carlos> ok
[06:37] <GnuKemist> anything you guys need from me?
[06:37] <carlos> I think that's all
[06:37] <carlos> thank you very much 
[06:37] <carlos> let's see what the CC decides on this subjet ;-)
[06:37] <GnuKemist> I for instance need to be introduced to the key people from each group
[06:39] <GnuKemist> carlos danilos jordi ok... so I guess I'll go grab lunch now  ;)
[06:39] <carlos> GnuKemist: ok, thanks fro comming
[06:39] <GnuKemist> carlos my pleasure
[10:34] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team