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bddebianHehe, whoops01:02
Burgworkhey bddebian, lots of greetings there01:10
bddebianHi Burgwork01:10
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kwakhi, how can i get admin rights to upload files to edubuntu using winSCP?04:02
jsgotangcoif your box has openssh server installed, users with ssh rights can upload files via scp to their $home dirs04:08
kwakping goog04:17
kwakjstongo: im new to using edubuntu, been using K12LTSP and used root access privileges. I want to add a folder in /opt to be run auto by rc.local. 04:20
LaserJockuse sudo to get root privileges04:21
kwakil try04:22
kwakok i configured screen_01 = startx but i only get grey screen, no login screen. what could be the cause04:26
LaserJockI'm not sure what you are doing04:27
LaserJockbut usually startx doesn't give you a login screen04:27
LaserJockgdm is for that04:27
kwakso i should put screen_01 = gdm04:29
kwaknew to edubuntu. been used to k12ltsp for 2 years just switched04:30
LaserJockto be honest I don't know04:33
kwakgreat! i really need to have to working as soon as possible. anybody out there can help04:48
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sbalneavEveing all05:37
LaserJockhi sbalneav 05:38
sbalneavHey there laserjock!05:38
LaserJockkwak: can you describe what you are trying to do more (i.e. what file you are editing)?05:38
sbalneavGood news.  Pitti approved the code I wrote for localdevs, so now lbmount, and ltspfs are in main!05:38
sbalneavWhoo hoo05:38
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Burgundaviahey highvoltage09:20
BurgundaviaI have noticed spam that has a picture with the spam and then random strings gleaned from a mailing list, coming to the -owners addy of the mailing lists I help run09:21
highvoltagehey Burgundavia 09:21
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highvoltageyeah, the spam I am getting is even more evil, it comes directly into my inbox, using addresses of people I know (such as JaneW or ogra)09:22
rodarvusgood morning09:23
Burgundaviamorning RichEd09:26
Burgundaviahmm, haven't got them yet09:26
RichEdhi Burgundavia ...09:26
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Burgundaviaanyway, I need to crash09:26
Burgundaviais midnight here09:26
highvoltagegoodnight Burgundavia 09:27
highvoltagemornign rodarvus and RichEd 09:27
RichEdI am just popping my head in ... battling some kind of virus ... will probably be man down for most of the day.09:28
rodarvushey highvoltage 09:28
ograhighvoltage, worse is that jelkner always answers them09:28
ograand complains the attached file didnt open ...09:29
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Burgundaviaogra: he is a trusting man09:30
cbx33hi all09:30
cbx33mornin ogra09:30
cbx33mornin Burgundavia 09:30
Burgundaviahey cbx3309:30
ograBurgundavia, a trusting man i told about 10 times that i dont send mails with word files attached :)09:31
Burgundaviasome people are busy09:31
BurgundaviaI do actually need to crash, so as much as this is09:31
Burgundaviagood night all09:31
cbx33ogra: I just deleted those emails09:31
cbx33I though....ogra _never_ _ever_ emails me personally :p09:32
ograwell, as anybody does i guess :)09:32
cbx33well as we'd been talking about artwork, I wondered if you'd sent me some artwork pictures......but then I saw the MS crap, and thought better of it !!! :p09:32
highvoltageogra: oh no! that is quite bad! (and very funny :p)09:35
highvoltagemorning cbx33 and ogra 09:35
cbx33ogra did you get a chance to see the scp09:35
cbx33mornin highvoltage 09:35
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cbx33mornin HedgeMage 09:40
HedgeMagehi cbx33 09:40
HedgeMagejust thought I'd pop on for a moment before bed09:41
HedgeMagefinally got some Edubuntu Handbook work done... hopefully I'll have time to get another chapter or two finished tomorrow09:41
cbx33nice one HedgeMage 09:42
HedgeMageAt this point I just want the darn thing published so I can move on to devvy things :)09:43
cbx33HedgeMage: hehehe09:43
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cbx33HedgeMage: I know what you mean09:43
cbx33I went away for a weekend break WITHOUT A PC ???09:43
HedgeMagehey, I was at my folks' place for nearly 2 weeks without internet09:44
cbx33HedgeMage: how did you cope09:44
HedgeMageoddly enough, I like being in the country enough that I don't miss it until I come back and realize how far behind I am09:44
cbx33ogra: I'm looking at the spec, thinking about the plugins implementtation09:44
highvoltagehey HedgeMage 09:45
HedgeMagehi highvoltage, what's up?09:45
highvoltagecatching up, like always :)09:45
HedgeMageheh join the club :)09:46
HedgeMageOMG... I think TT may *finally* be asleep09:58
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HedgeMageit appears he means it this time... I'm off to bed now, too10:16
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highvoltageugh. Laser_away's spec has been de-approved again :(11:36
RichEdwillvdl: you dere bwana ?11:36
highvoltagehey willvdl 11:37
RichEdhighvoltage: why have the dynamic menus been de-approved = delay for later release or punted into touch ?11:38
willvdlhey folks11:39
willvdlsorry, looking at emails. not watching irc11:39
RichEdwillvdl: meeting on thursday 12:00-1:00 pm - Marc Schmidt - Clive's new IT director11:41
RichEdokay with you ?11:41
RichEd12:00-12:30 will probably be him & me, with you joining at 12:30-1:0011:42
willvdltake it Abrie called back? 11:42
RichEdand then you & I can do 1:00-2:0011:42
RichEdno Lynette ... check you email for details of her new job secondment11:43
highvoltageRichEd: check the whiteboard: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus11:43
willvdlhmmm, RichEd, I'm suprised my web queries did not point me there11:44
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RichEdnepad info is disconected by design ;)11:47
RichEdhi orga ...11:48
RichEdogra even :P11:48
RichEd(not to confuse our geman coder with a misspelt great white shark)11:48
willvdlorca's are whales...11:53
RichEdmeant to say killer whale ... brain fuzzed today ... as you can see in a major way from the evidence above11:56
RichEdhighvoltage: i checked out the link, but don't see de-approved status : uds-paris (Accepted) ? am i missing something ?11:57
highvoltageRichEd: Definition:  Discussion  (Needs guidance) 12:00
highvoltageRichEd: that was "Approved" before12:01
RichEdahhhhhh ...12:01
RichEdIt may fit well with a project that has just been approved (EU funding) ... so I will keep an eye on it.12:01
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willvdlooh ooh, core 2 duo has arrived12:15
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cbx33RichEd: has the SCP one beenapproved now?12:28
RichEdcbx33: SCP ? sorry virus ravaged brain is not decoding acronyms today ...12:32
cbx33student control panel12:32
RichEdcbx33: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion : Definition:  Pending Approval  (Needs guidance) 12:39
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cbx33RichEd: ah ok12:47
cbx33I've done a lot of that spec now12:47
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RichEdhighvoltage: this does not work -> gary@imlipinux.co.za <- please adjust your dyslexia filter01:22
highvoltageRichEd: lol01:24
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highvoltageRichEd: I was just about to say "hey, that's what it says on his businesscard" :)01:25
RichEdsounds like a new local flavour of fanta !01:25
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jsgotangcoogra: are you aware your email is spoofed with spam at the moment?02:38
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jsgotangcoogra: you email seems to be spoofed lately :/02:39
highvoltageogry is probably an angry ogra02:39
Petarisjsgotangco: At least he didn't change it to orgy02:40
highvoltagejsgotangco: i think he's aware of that (as well as everyone else who is in somebody's OE address book)02:40
jsgotangcoive seen him almost naked i wouldn't want to imagine more02:40
highvoltagejsgotangco: hehe02:40
jsgotangcohighvoltage: how are you doing?02:40
ograjsgotangco, yes, i noticed the 100s of answers from jelkner that he's not able to open my wordfile i sent ...02:41
highvoltagejsgotangco: i'm doing ok.02:41
highvoltagejsgotangco: how are you doing?02:41
jsgotangcohighvoltage: ive been pretty busy with a top secret edubuntu project02:41
highvoltagei'm trying to blog on 'how i am doing', but it's difficult to figure out :)02:42
highvoltagejsgotangco: top secret eh?02:42
highvoltagewhen I have something top secret, it's so top secret that I don't even mention that it's top secret ;)02:42
jsgotangcoyeah but this is the ultimate top secret edubuntu project yet02:43
highvoltagejsgotangco: what's with the secrecy? don't want the world to know what you're doing?02:43
jsgotangcothe beast of the east02:43
jsgotangcooh its no big deal really, we're just going to have edubuntu on 5,124 public schools over here02:43
highvoltageis that with the indonesian woman you talked about last week?02:44
jsgotangcoerr no02:44
highvoltagejsgotangco: cool02:45
highvoltagejsgotangco: sounds exciting02:46
jsgotangcoim flying to sg next month for an IOSN training so for me its pretty much home focused at the moment02:46
jsgotangcoi havent been much help development-wise lately :(02:50
jsgotangcoalthough i'll make sure we get our SoC quiz app in universe in edgy02:50
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highvoltagejsgotangco: me neither :/02:53
highvoltagesetting up a new business is no joke, although I think most of the hardest parts are over.02:54
jsgotangcoi can imagine02:55
PetarisHas anyone played with local apps on the ltsp setup?03:08
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Petarisok, anyone know of a way to run the flash plugin on 64-bit03:11
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cbx33yikes I lost all graphical after an xserver-worg-core update03:18
highvoltagecbx33: many people did :(03:20
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ograjust run edgy, that works :P03:26
ubotuIf X is broken after a recent update you can upgrade (i386 - see '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix') or downgrade ('/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-amd64' or '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-ppc')03:26
bimbericbx33: ^^^^03:26
gnomefreakits fixed03:27
ograits already fixed afaik ...03:27
bimberiis it propogated?03:27
cbx33I just updated03:27
cbx33thanks guys03:27
gnomefreakthe uk servers have it along with the gb but thats all im aware of atm03:27
cbx33phew I was worried03:27
Petarishrm, when trying to install (via apt) firefox into the ltsp chroot I get the following error: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Error, do this: mount -t proc none /proc03:27
cbx33ogra, you around?03:27
cbx33do you have two seconds for little old me?03:28
ograonly very partially03:28
ograi'm very busy over here  ...03:28
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cbx33I'll be brief03:28
cbx33I've finished the kill/execute03:28
ograyay !03:29
cbx33added in a little extra for you to see too ! :p03:29
cbx33Message !03:29
cbx33you can send a single simple message to a client03:29
ograi'll look at it tomorrow ...03:29
ograshould be done with localdev today, then i'll jump on SCP03:29
cbx33like "Johnny Get off the pr0n sites"03:29
cbx33and it pops up in a GTK dialog box03:29
cbx33I was goign to look at the plugin framework later03:30
ogracool !03:30
cbx33so maybe if you have some time later we can chat about it?03:30
ogranot today, but tomorrow i'll plan some time for it ...03:30
cbx33ok cool03:30
cbx33when you look at my branch03:31
cbx33I have a portion commented out so that I can test locally03:31
cbx33just ignore it03:31
ograthats fine03:31
cbx33it's in the function that picks up the usernames from the grepping of the ps03:31
ograi modify that too if i test without client attached :)03:32
cbx33ok cool03:32
cbx33well enjoy I hope I havn't done too bad a job03:32
cbx33It's nice and extendable03:32
cbx33we'll chat about it tomorrow03:33
ograit shall go to main, so it has to pass a review by the security team anyway03:34
cbx33I have a number of questions03:34
cbx33but as I said they can wait till tomorrow03:34
cbx33yes I guessed that03:34
ogradid sbalneav show up today ? 03:37
highvoltagei think he was here very early in the morning03:38
cbx33I havn't seen him today at all03:38
Yagisan!seen sbalneav03:38
ubotuI last saw sbalneav (n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net) 8h 16m 37s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"03:38
ograah, k03:38
cbx33well done highvoltage 03:39
Yagisanthere you go ;)03:39
cbx33hi Yagisan 03:39
ograright, i always forget about the bot03:39
YagisanI wish that bot is in the channels I op on sometimes03:39
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sbalneavMorning all!03:41
willvdlit's as if the bot pulled him into existence03:41
cbx33almost freaky03:41
sbalneavYou talkin' to me?03:42
willvdl!seen 1 Million Dollars?03:42
sbalneavAre you talkin' to me?03:42
cbx33sbalneav, no03:42
cbx33we're talking about you :p03:42
willvdlsbalneav, check the log03:42
PetarisWhat is the best way to be able to use flash player on a 64-bit ltsp server?03:42
sbalneavHow do I do that?  It posted somewhere?03:43
cbx33Petaris, I didn't think that flash on 64bit was possible....03:43
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Petariscbx33: not nativly03:44
bimberisbalneav: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/  but they're a bit behind usually03:44
highvoltagePetaris: i think you have to run it from a 32bit chroot, your best bet might be to ask on #ubuntu03:44
Petarishighvoltage: I figured as much03:45
Petarishighvoltage: Do you know if local apps are possible on the ltsp clients yet?03:47
cbx33Petaris, not yet03:47
cbx33Petaris, I am wishing for that day03:47
willvdlnjrgh. internet is like a turtle stuck in peanut butter today03:47
cbx33it will make edubuntu much more viable here03:47
Petariscbx33: me too03:47
highvoltagewillvdl: it's just 12plein bandwidth that's like that ;)03:48
Petarisits sad that ltsp on edubuntu is so far behind vanilla ltsp03:48
Petaris*functionality wise03:48
Petarisand yes I know they have very different ways of doing things03:49
cbx33indeed they do03:49
cbx33we're getting local devices this release :p03:49
Petarisyeah, that will be nice03:49
Petarisbut less useful to me then local apps would be ATM03:50
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willvdlhighvoltage, I can't even reach apt.hbd03:51
cbx33Yagisan, me too03:51
highvoltagewillvdl: eek03:53
willvdlbut that must be something else. I should have gigabit to server but still get 1.3ms ping03:54
highvoltagethey upgraded the lan to gigabit!?03:55
highvoltageheh, they just waited for me to leave :)03:55
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willvdlI'm sitting at JaneW's old desk and the switch is right behind me03:57
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PetarisCan Vanilla ltsp chroot be dropped in in place of the edubuntu one?04:02
highvoltagemore or less04:03
highvoltageyou can install ltsp.org on edubuntu just like you would on any other distro, but it's unsupported04:04
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Petarishighvoltage: define unsupported and then tell me what support is there for the current implementation?04:06
Petarissorry, just a bit ticked about no local apps, its going to be hell here in a few days with staff returning04:07
cbx33that X bug was big04:08
cbx33it's the talk of the channels04:08
highvoltagecbx33: yep, local lugs here are also full of it. was a big boo-boo :(04:11
cbx33I wouldn't like to be responsible for that boo boo04:11
Petarishighvoltage: If I just move the current chroot and drop in the vanilla should it just work?  Or would there be other configuration to be done?04:11
highvoltagethere would be some small changes04:11
ogracbx33, send candy and beer to rodarvus for fixing it quickly :)04:12
highvoltagejust off my head, you would probably need to copy the 'vanilla', as you call it, kernels to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp04:12
Petarishrm, what about the communication between the client and the server?04:13
ograyou need xdmcp enabled in gdm ...04:13
cbx33ogra, I'll thank him personally when I see him04:13
ograand its kind of gambling ...04:13
PetarisIf memory serves edubuntu uses ssh tunnels, I don't remember what ltsp uses04:13
ograi'd rather do a workstation install and use the full ltsp.org 4.2 instead of poking around and mixing up two implementations04:14
ogranobody will be able to give you support for such a mixed setup ... neither ubuntu nor ltsp.org ... 04:14
Petarisogra: Any way to do that without rebuilding the base system?04:15
ograon the other hand i dont see the problem to make local apps work in ubuntus ltsp ...04:15
ograthere is an article in the ltsp wiki that should help 04:16
Petarisyou have a link?04:16
ograno, you will need to search 04:16
ograi shouldnt even be here and chat ...04:16
ogra nautilus ( edgy; urgency=low04:17
ogra .04:17
ogra   * debian/patches/80_suppress_umount_in_ltsp.patch:04:17
ogra     - don't list umount or eject actions on ltsp,04:17
ogra       patch by Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>04:17
ograyay :)04:17
ogra gnome-vfs2 (2.15.92-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low04:18
ogra .04:18
ogra   * The "Make it shiny for ltspfs" release.04:18
ogra   * Add debian/patches/22_ignore_inaccessible_volumes.patch:04:18
ogra     - libgnomevfs/{gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c,gnome-vfs-volume-monitor-daemon.c}:04:18
ogra       Do not create volumes for mount points which are inaccessible by the04:18
ogra       user.04:18
ogra     - Closes: LP#5055404:18
ogra   * Add debian/patches/23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch: Ignore ltspfs mounts04:18
ogra     since the current ltspfs implementation creates associated bind mounts to04:18
ogra     /media. This prevents generating two volumes for the same mount.04:18
ogradouble yay04:18
cbx33w00t waty to go ogra 04:19
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cbx33ogra will we need the GPL/GNU license at the top of the scp code?04:28
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RichEdjsgotangco: you there ?04:29
RichEdheard of these guys : Axis Global - Philippines ?04:29
jsgotangcohmm yes04:30
jsgotangcobig OEM04:30
bddebianHello jsgotangco04:31
jsgotangcohey bddebian04:31
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cbx33ping pygi 04:34
cbx33got a sec?04:34
pygicbx33, not really, sorry :(04:34
cbx33ok np04:34
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gotamaHello There!05:16
highvoltagehi gotama 05:17
ograAccepted ltspfsd 0.2-0ubuntu1 (source)05:17
gotamaI setup two pcs (sever an client) to install over the network, every thing is fine.05:17
gotamaBut how can I use my CD on the server machine?05:18
gotamaGoing through the internet is too slow. Help please.05:18
highvoltageyou want to play the cd on the server and hear it on the client?05:20
gotamaI want to use the cd on the server to install edubuntu in the second machine.05:21
gotamaThe second pc doesn't have cdrom.05:22
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gotamaThe installer program ask for the mirror.05:24
gotamaI want it use my CD on the server.05:24
gotamaThanks boys. I'm going to take a good look to EdubuntuViaNetBoot.05:30
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juliuxogra, we have a booth for edubuntu on the linuxworldexpo in cologne05:41
ograwhen is it ? 05:42
ograhmm ...05:43
ograthats likely the date of the next ubuntu conf05:43
juliuxhehe always the same05:44
highvoltageogra: on the edubuntu forums, can you remember if it was decided that the forums should integrate with ubuntuforums, or whether it should be in the drupal site?05:46
highvoltage(sorry, I know you should chat)05:46
Petariscbx33: Have you done anything with local apps or the fat client spec?05:46
ograPetaris, thats postponed to edgy+1 until we have proper auth meachanisms05:47
ogra(fat clients)05:48
ograhighvoltage, i dont remember, but there must be a meeting log05:48
pygihighvoltage, hello, how's k3b? :)05:48
Petarisogra: I was just wondering if he had played with it himself?05:48
highvoltagepygi: working well!05:48
pygihighvoltage, with libburn? good, good :)05:49
highvoltagePetaris: I've implemented fat clients for digital doorway (http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za)05:49
highvoltagebut it's insecure on an open network (/home is exported via nfs)05:49
highvoltageand the passwd and shadow and group files are stored in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc,05:49
highvoltagewith symlinks from there to /etc05:50
PetarisI'm haveing trouble figuring out how to start the app on the client locally05:50
highvoltageit's not too much hard work to get that working on edubuntu, but also, it's unsupported, and upgrades will break.05:50
cbx33Petaris, no05:53
Petarishighvoltage: I am less interested in fat clients then I am in just a couple of local apps05:54
Petarisogra mentioned a doc in the wiki on local apps but I have been unable to find it05:54
cbx33Petaris, it'll be good when it happens05:54
cbx33but I'm gona wait till it's don properly by da man :p05:55
Petariscbx33: I saw in the meeting notes from a while back that you asked about it05:55
cbx33I did05:55
cbx33I wondered if it was a spec for edgy05:55
Petarisso I wasn't sure if you were working on it or not05:55
cbx33meee !!!!05:55
cbx33I'm not that clever05:55
cbx33sorry bud05:56
cbx33i know thereis a wiki document05:56
cbx33hang onI'll try and find it05:56
Petarislocal apps wouldn't be nessessary here if flash were avaliable for x86_6405:56
cbx33ah i see05:56
PetarisI found the fat client wiki, but I'm assuming thats not it05:56
cbx33hence why I don;t use 64bit just yet05:56
cbx33I can't find it05:57
cbx33there was one05:57
cbx33think it's been deleted05:57
PetarisI wish adobe would release a ner version that has that support05:57
Petarisx86_64 isn't exactly new05:58
cbx33no I know, but....05:58
cbx33not a lot we can do about it atm05:58
Petarisboycot adobe  :)05:58
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ograPetaris, there is a debian doc how to run firefox in a 32bit chroot on amd64 machines ... 06:01
ograits nothing you need local apps for at all06:02
Petarisogra: I don't suppose you have a link to that?06:02
ograif i look that up now, local devices wont happen today ... which will delay me even more06:03
ograits somewhere on alioth.debian.org06:03
Petarisok, I'll look there06:03
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Petariscbx33: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=32-bit+chroot07:35
cbx33Petaris, too much like hard work07:39
cbx33I'll stick with i386 for now07:39
cbx33!!! hehehe07:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hehehe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:39
cbx33sorry ubotu 07:39
Petariscbx33: just thought you might find it interesting07:40
cbx33indeed I did07:40
cbx33I'll probably try it out 07:40
cbx33on my machine at work07:40
cbx33as it is 64 bit, and I need flash sometimes07:40
Petariswhat was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients?07:42
Petariswas it just ltsp ssh-keygen07:43
ograin case anyone wants to test:07:45
ogra(in edgy only indeed)07:45
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ogralucasvo, ^^^07:46
lucasvoogra: apt-get install ltspfs?07:47
ogralucasvo, get that version of ltsp07:49
ograsudo apt-get install ltspfs on the server07:49
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltspfsd07:49
ografor the client07:49
lucasvoltsp-server is already the newest version.07:50
ograi havent added a echo "fuse" >> /etc/modules to the postinst script yet 07:50
ograso you need to do that manually07:50
ograand the user needs to be in the fuse group07:50
lucasvowhich user?07:52
ograthe user that uses localdev07:52
ograwhich other user would i mean :)07:53
lucasvoI don't know, maybe an ltsp user?07:54
ograwhat other user would use thin client devices ;)07:54
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cbx33oooh 07:57
cbx33you showoff ogra07:57
cbx33ogra I wanted to as ka quick SCP related question07:58
cbx33well not just SCP07:58
cbx33teachers...ie people who are goign to use SCP, I dn;t know about you, but me being an administrator of a school system07:58
ograthey shut down the net and lock the room in 2 min07:58
cbx33I don;t want them having sudo access07:58
cbx33you know our ACL lets root send to the system bus for SCP07:58
cbx33what about having a %admin% group07:59
cbx33which teachers could be a part of07:59
ograwe have the admin group ;)07:59
cbx33instead of using sudo07:59
ograthat wont work07:59
cbx33just curious07:59
ograthe admin group is what gives you sudo07:59
ograsee /etc/sudoers :)07:59
cbx33what abotu a teaacher group?#07:59
ogramake SCP run as a special user like willow07:59
cbx33b-y-e? :S08:00
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lucasvook, it's not working on first attempt08:02
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Petariscool, I have flash workign08:04
Petariser, working08:04
cbx33hi LaserJock 08:07
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LaserJockwhere did ogra go08:12
Petariswhat was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients?08:13
PetarisI thought it was something like ltsp-update ssh-keys08:14
Petarisahh, nevermind08:15
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willvdlah, alsamixer. course08:43
crimsunthat's not the drivers; that's alsa-utils.08:43
crimsunheh, I just scrambled to check whether I had made a packaging error. I was fairly certain there was nothing that built against or depended on libncurses5{-dev,}08:44
crimsun$ apt-cache depends alsa-base alsa-source linux-sound-base |grep ncurs 08:44
crimsun$ 08:44
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cbx33Hi Amaranth 08:48
Amaranthjust got internet turned back on at my house08:48
Amaranth300 unread emails :/08:49
Amaranthi just checked them yesterday when i was at the library08:49
Petarisbugger, I just found out were going to be about 650,000 US in the whole this year08:53
PetarisI wonder if they are going to cut staff08:53
Petarisat the very least I bet my budget dissappears08:53
cbx33Petaris, how much is your budget a year09:00
willvdlcrimsun :)09:15
willvdlsound issues on ALC88309:16
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Petariscbx33: 10k US09:19
cbx33how many people?09:19
Petarisabout 100 staff and 635 students09:19
Petaris200 workstations09:20
Petaris*including the two 25 client ltsp labs09:20
cbx33that is a tiny budget09:20
Petarisbut its usually one of the first things to get chopped09:21
cbx33mine is about $16000 this year09:21
crimsunwillvdl: sorry, I have no idea what "sound issues on ALC883" refers to (missing context entirely)09:21
cbx33last year we had $400,000 :D a kind of grant09:22
willvdlcrimsun, my alsa comment was worse. 09:23
Petariscbx33: nice09:23
Petariscbx33: What type of org do you work for?09:24
cbx33I work for a secondary school in the UK09:24
crimsunwillvdl: I really have no idea what you mean. Are you implying you're having issues in Ubuntu [Warty? Hoary? Breezy? Dapper? Edgy?]  with the HDA Realtek 883 codec?09:24
willvdlcrimsun, yeah, sorry was typing too slow09:25
crimsunwillvdl: Which Ubuntu release? Are you running the latest errata kernel (2.6.15-26.46)? What sort of issues?09:26
willvdl2.6.15-26-686 09:27
willvdltrying to patch the alsa drivers with an Acer patch09:27
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crimsunwhich acer patch in particular?09:31
LaserJockhmmm, I wonder if it is bed time in Germany09:31
crimsunit's getting fairly late at night. Are you referring to o gra's bedtime (is there one?) or other people's?09:33
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willvdlhmm, lost it09:34
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LaserJockcrimsun: all the disto sprint people seem to be gone09:36
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LaserJockoliver, rodrigo,  richard09:36
crimsunthey're probably all getting smashed. I certainly would be.09:36
Burgworkrodrigo is probably drinking away the pain of breaking so many people's computers :)09:37
LaserJockpoor guy09:37
Burgworkgiven he is not an X guy, I feel sorry for him09:38
Burgworkbut given we almost lost Luis Villa, I don't09:38
LaserJockI'm feeling like -updates and the point release did not work very succesfully09:38
LaserJockwe put out this LTS release, and then we have a ton of updates some of which break previously working packages09:39
Burgworkupdates has, this X issue was one09:39
Burgworkthe point release works09:39
Burgworkthis X is the only piece I have seen that breaks anything09:39
LaserJockI've heard people say that they had issues with the point release09:40
LaserJockah, well lower scale stuff09:40
LaserJockdoko uploaded a completely uninstabllable matplotlib09:40
LaserJockto universe -update09:40
LaserJockcaused some problems09:40
crimsunI know of a Via patch that hasn't been merged into linux-source-2.6.15 yet, too09:40
LaserJockand then didn't care to fix the package09:40
crimsunpeople will continue to howl, but that's just the price we pay as volunteers09:41
LaserJockpeople wondered why it was called LTS if it needs so many updates and they updates aren't very well tested09:41
crimsunto be fair, it wasn't well tested upstream, either09:42
LaserJockwhat wasn't the via patch?09:42
crimsunthe X server one09:42
crimsunheck, I think there were only -two- confirmations09:42
LaserJockwell, it seems like a problem to me when -updates decreases the stability of the release09:42
LaserJockI guess it's something mdz, et al. have to worry about09:43
willvdlah, found it: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=237809:44
LaserJockbut uploading packages you haven't even test installed seem a little ...09:44
crimsunwillvdl: so you need acer-alc883-fix2.diff?09:46
willvdltrying that one now09:47
crimsunwillvdl: will you pastebin your ``lspci -nv'' output so I can confirm it's relevant to you?09:47
willvdlsnd- modules are howling in dmesg09:47
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willvdleish, internet v slow...09:49
crimsunwillvdl: yep, was just discussing that in #alsa about an hour ago09:55
willvdlworth checking logs?09:56
crimsunnot really, I just need to sanity-check that patch09:56
crimsunthe pci_subdevice id looks suspicious09:56
crimsun(not yours but in the patch)09:57
willvdlset to zero09:57
crimsunyes, that's probably meant to mask off anything, which would be incorrect09:57
willvdlyet some claim success. I suspect my problem is elsewhere09:59
crimsunwell your sub{vendor,device} ids match, so it probably _does_ work, but I need to make sure the id isn't a snafu10:01
willvdlhmm, no luck with either patch10:06
crimsunyou should only need the second10:07
crimsundid you unload all the alsa modules then load the fixed ones?10:07
willvdlyip. dmesg comes alive10:07
crimsunwhat syntax?10:08
willvdlsorry, missing you here?10:09
crimsunwhat commands did you use to unload and reload the sound drivers?10:10
willvdlmodprobe -r10:10
willvdlmodprobe snd-hda-intel model=acer10:11
crimsunhopefully not ``modprobe -r'' by itself?10:12
willvdlno :) removed all the snd- mods10:12
crimsunyou shouldn't have needed to pass the model parameter at all10:13
willvdltried without too10:13
willvdlangon, didn't "actually" unload the modules cause of the dependencies...10:16
crimsunyou need to be very thorough, because I'm not willing to patch the kernel with a bogus patch.10:16
crimsunI'm pretty sure this pci_subdevice is completely wrong10:17
crimsun0x0000 does _not_ match 0x010210:17
willvdldarn, can't force module removal.10:18
crimsunplease force the specific subdevice model10:18
crimsuni.e., change:10:19
crimsun{ .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0/*0x0102*/,10:19
crimsun{ .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0x0102,10:19
willvdlin the patch no doubt10:19
crimsunin the source10:19
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PetarisHi mhz10:24
mhzPetaris: hi there10:24
willvdlshould I configure with sequencer?10:27
ggellerIs there a way to tell which version of the Edubuntu 6.06 install disk I have?10:28
crimsunwillvdl: that's orthogonal to your speaker working.10:28
ggellerMy install is failing at the "building LTSP Chroot" step, similar to what was described in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-March/001152.html10:29
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willvdlggeller, the reference speaks of prior 6.06 release10:33
ggellerOK.  Any idea why my install would get to that step then die with just a black screen?  I happened twice in a row.10:34
willvdlhmm, happened to me once. are you wanting to build a server?10:36
ggellerI didn't ask for a server, just the standard install.10:37
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willvdlhave you tried a workstation install?10:38
ggellerI guess not.  I told it what partition to use on my hd.  Maybe I need to look at the pre-partitioning options more carefully.10:40
ggellerI just selected "Install to hard disk" as the first step.  This time I'm doing "Install a workstation".10:43
willvdlunless of course you want a thin-client server :)10:44
ggellerIt seems to be working now.  Thanks for the help.10:50
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pygihighvoltage, poke?11:33
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Burgworkpygi, how goes it?12:09
pygiBurgwork, great, what about you? :)12:09
Burgworknot bad12:09
pygifighting with libburn & friends :)12:10

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