=== cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_work === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:02] Heya [01:02] Howdy [01:02] Hehe, whoops [01:10] hey bddebian, lots of greetings there [01:10] Hi Burgwork === mhz_work is now known as mhz_off === mhz_off hates lag === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-64-222-48-116.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has joined #edubuntu [04:02] hi, how can i get admin rights to upload files to edubuntu using winSCP? [04:08] if your box has openssh server installed, users with ssh rights can upload files via scp to their $home dirs [04:17] ping goog [04:20] jstongo: im new to using edubuntu, been using K12LTSP and used root access privileges. I want to add a folder in /opt to be run auto by rc.local. [04:21] use sudo to get root privileges [04:22] il try [04:26] ok i configured screen_01 = startx but i only get grey screen, no login screen. what could be the cause [04:27] I'm not sure what you are doing [04:27] but usually startx doesn't give you a login screen [04:27] gdm is for that [04:29] so i should put screen_01 = gdm [04:30] new to edubuntu. been used to k12ltsp for 2 years just switched [04:33] to be honest I don't know [04:48] great! i really need to have to working as soon as possible. anybody out there can help === cafuego [n=cafuego@ppp80-104.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=JoseLeca@244-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:37] Eveing all [05:38] hi sbalneav [05:38] Hey there laserjock! [05:38] kwak: can you describe what you are trying to do more (i.e. what file you are editing)? [05:38] Good news. Pitti approved the code I wrote for localdevs, so now lbmount, and ltspfs are in main! [05:38] Whoo hoo [05:40] \o/ === LaserJock does the Edgy LTSP dance === e1mer [n=elmer@58.71.14.245] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-130-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage gets another ton of spoofed ogra mail [09:20] hey highvoltage [09:21] I have noticed spam that has a picture with the spam and then random strings gleaned from a mailing list, coming to the -owners addy of the mailing lists I help run [09:21] hey Burgundavia === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [09:22] yeah, the spam I am getting is even more evil, it comes directly into my inbox, using addresses of people I know (such as JaneW or ogra) [09:23] good morning [09:26] morning RichEd [09:26] hmm, haven't got them yet [09:26] hi Burgundavia ... === RichEd waves to the others here [09:26] anyway, I need to crash [09:26] is midnight here [09:27] goodnight Burgundavia [09:27] mornign rodarvus and RichEd [09:28] I am just popping my head in ... battling some kind of virus ... will probably be man down for most of the day. [09:28] hey highvoltage [09:28] highvoltage, worse is that jelkner always answers them [09:29] and complains the attached file didnt open ... === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] ogra: he is a trusting man [09:30] hi all [09:30] mornin ogra [09:30] mornin Burgundavia [09:30] hey cbx33 [09:31] Burgundavia, a trusting man i told about 10 times that i dont send mails with word files attached :) [09:31] some people are busy [09:31] I do actually need to crash, so as much as this is [09:31] good night all [09:31] nn [09:31] ogra: I just deleted those emails [09:32] I though....ogra _never_ _ever_ emails me personally :p [09:32] well, as anybody does i guess :) [09:32] well as we'd been talking about artwork, I wondered if you'd sent me some artwork pictures......but then I saw the MS crap, and thought better of it !!! :p [09:35] ogra: oh no! that is quite bad! (and very funny :p) [09:35] morning cbx33 and ogra [09:35] ogra did you get a chance to see the scp [09:35] mornin highvoltage === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] mornin HedgeMage [09:40] hi cbx33 [09:41] just thought I'd pop on for a moment before bed [09:41] finally got some Edubuntu Handbook work done... hopefully I'll have time to get another chapter or two finished tomorrow [09:42] nice one HedgeMage [09:42] :) [09:42] thanks [09:43] At this point I just want the darn thing published so I can move on to devvy things :) [09:43] HedgeMage: hehehe === HedgeMage is having coding withdrawal [09:43] HedgeMage: I know what you mean [09:43] I went away for a weekend break WITHOUT A PC ??? [09:44] hey, I was at my folks' place for nearly 2 weeks without internet [09:44] HedgeMage: how did you cope [09:44] oddly enough, I like being in the country enough that I don't miss it until I come back and realize how far behind I am [09:44] ogra: I'm looking at the spec, thinking about the plugins implementtation [09:45] hey HedgeMage [09:45] hi highvoltage, what's up? [09:45] catching up, like always :) [09:46] heh join the club :) [09:58] OMG... I think TT may *finally* be asleep === HedgeMage crosses her fingers [10:16] it appears he means it this time... I'm off to bed now, too === rodarvus_ [n=rodarvus@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@80.Red-83-50-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] ugh. Laser_away's spec has been de-approved again :( [11:36] willvdl: you dere bwana ? [11:37] (edubuntu-dynamic-menus) [11:37] hey willvdl [11:38] highvoltage: why have the dynamic menus been de-approved = delay for later release or punted into touch ? [11:39] hey folks [11:39] sorry, looking at emails. not watching irc [11:41] willvdl: meeting on thursday 12:00-1:00 pm - Marc Schmidt - Clive's new IT director [11:41] okay with you ? [11:42] excellent [11:42] 12:00-12:30 will probably be him & me, with you joining at 12:30-1:00 [11:42] take it Abrie called back? [11:42] and then you & I can do 1:00-2:00 [11:43] no Lynette ... check you email for details of her new job secondment [11:43] RichEd: check the whiteboard: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus [11:44] hmmm, RichEd, I'm suprised my web queries did not point me there === ogra [n=ogra@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [11:47] nepad info is disconected by design ;) [11:48] hi orga ... [11:48] ogra even :P [11:48] (not to confuse our geman coder with a misspelt great white shark) [11:53] orca's are whales... [11:56] meant to say killer whale ... brain fuzzed today ... as you can see in a major way from the evidence above [11:57] highvoltage: i checked out the link, but don't see de-approved status : uds-paris (Accepted) ? am i missing something ? [12:00] RichEd: Definition: Discussion (Needs guidance) [12:01] RichEd: that was "Approved" before [12:01] ahhhhhh ... [12:01] It may fit well with a project that has just been approved (EU funding) ... so I will keep an eye on it. === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:15] ooh ooh, core 2 duo has arrived === willvdl [n=willvdl@vc-196-207-41-251.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [12:28] RichEd: has the SCP one beenapproved now? [12:32] cbx33: SCP ? sorry virus ravaged brain is not decoding acronyms today ... [12:32] student control panel [12:39] cbx33: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion : Definition: Pending Approval (Needs guidance) === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] RichEd: ah ok [12:47] I've done a lot of that spec now === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === simenaf [n=simenaf@193.71.119.207] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] highvoltage: this does not work -> gary@imlipinux.co.za <- please adjust your dyslexia filter [01:24] RichEd: lol === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #edubuntu [01:25] RichEd: I was just about to say "hey, that's what it says on his businesscard" :) [01:25] sounds like a new local flavour of fanta ! === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host99-159.pool876.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] ogra: are you aware your email is spoofed with spam at the moment? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] doh [02:39] ogry? [02:39] lol [02:39] ogra: you email seems to be spoofed lately :/ [02:39] ogry is probably an angry ogra [02:40] jsgotangco: At least he didn't change it to orgy [02:40] lol [02:40] jsgotangco: i think he's aware of that (as well as everyone else who is in somebody's OE address book) [02:40] ive seen him almost naked i wouldn't want to imagine more [02:40] jsgotangco: hehe [02:40] highvoltage: how are you doing? [02:41] jsgotangco, yes, i noticed the 100s of answers from jelkner that he's not able to open my wordfile i sent ... [02:41] jsgotangco: i'm doing ok. [02:41] bwahaha [02:41] jsgotangco: how are you doing? [02:41] highvoltage: ive been pretty busy with a top secret edubuntu project [02:41] heh [02:42] i'm trying to blog on 'how i am doing', but it's difficult to figure out :) [02:42] jsgotangco: top secret eh? [02:42] sure [02:42] when I have something top secret, it's so top secret that I don't even mention that it's top secret ;) [02:43] yeah but this is the ultimate top secret edubuntu project yet [02:43] jsgotangco: what's with the secrecy? don't want the world to know what you're doing? [02:43] the beast of the east [02:43] oh its no big deal really, we're just going to have edubuntu on 5,124 public schools over here [02:44] is that with the indonesian woman you talked about last week? [02:44] err no [02:45] jsgotangco: cool [02:46] jsgotangco: sounds exciting [02:46] im flying to sg next month for an IOSN training so for me its pretty much home focused at the moment [02:49] sg? [02:49] singapore [02:49] aah [02:50] i havent been much help development-wise lately :( [02:50] although i'll make sure we get our SoC quiz app in universe in edgy === ogra [n=ogra@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [02:53] jsgotangco: me neither :/ [02:54] setting up a new business is no joke, although I think most of the hardest parts are over. [02:55] i can imagine [03:08] Has anyone played with local apps on the ltsp setup? === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [03:11] ok, anyone know of a way to run the flash plugin on 64-bit === willvdl_ [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === willvdl_ is now known as willvdl === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:18] yikes I lost all graphical after an xserver-worg-core update [03:18] :S [03:20] cbx33: many people did :( === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:26] just run edgy, that works :P [03:26] hrm [03:26] !xorgbug [03:26] If X is broken after a recent update you can upgrade (i386 - see '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix') or downgrade ('/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-amd64' or '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-ppc') [03:26] cbx33: ^^^^ [03:27] its fixed [03:27] its already fixed afaik ... [03:27] yup [03:27] is it propogated? [03:27] I just updated [03:27] thanks guys [03:27] the uk servers have it along with the gb but thats all im aware of atm [03:27] phew I was worried [03:27] k [03:27] hrm, when trying to install (via apt) firefox into the ltsp chroot I get the following error: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Error, do this: mount -t proc none /proc [03:27] ogra, you around? [03:28] do you have two seconds for little old me? [03:28] only very partially [03:28] i'm very busy over here ... === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [03:28] ok [03:28] I'll be brief [03:28] I've finished the kill/execute [03:29] yay ! [03:29] added in a little extra for you to see too ! :p [03:29] Message ! [03:29] you can send a single simple message to a client [03:29] i'll look at it tomorrow ... [03:29] should be done with localdev today, then i'll jump on SCP [03:29] like "Johnny Get off the pr0n sites" [03:29] hahaha [03:29] and it pops up in a GTK dialog box [03:30] I was goign to look at the plugin framework later [03:30] cool ! [03:30] so maybe if you have some time later we can chat about it? [03:30] not today, but tomorrow i'll plan some time for it ... [03:30] ok cool [03:31] oh [03:31] when you look at my branch [03:31] I have a portion commented out so that I can test locally [03:31] just ignore it [03:31] thats fine [03:31] it's in the function that picks up the usernames from the grepping of the ps [03:31] yep [03:32] i modify that too if i test without client attached :) [03:32] :) [03:32] ok cool [03:32] well enjoy I hope I havn't done too bad a job [03:32] It's nice and extendable [03:33] we'll chat about it tomorrow [03:33] yup [03:34] it shall go to main, so it has to pass a review by the security team anyway [03:34] I have a number of questions [03:34] but as I said they can wait till tomorrow [03:34] yes I guessed that [03:37] did sbalneav show up today ? [03:38] i think he was here very early in the morning [03:38] I havn't seen him today at all [03:38] !seen sbalneav [03:38] I last saw sbalneav (n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net) 8h 16m 37s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat" [03:38] ah, k [03:39] well done highvoltage [03:39] there you go ;) [03:39] hi Yagisan [03:39] right, i always forget about the bot [03:39] I wish that bot is in the channels I op on sometimes [03:39] :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] Morning all! [03:41] uncanny [03:41] very [03:41] it's as if the bot pulled him into existence [03:41] almost freaky [03:42] You talkin' to me? [03:42] !seen 1 Million Dollars? [03:42] Are you talkin' to me? [03:42] sbalneav, no [03:42] we're talking about you :p [03:42] sbalneav, check the log [03:42] What is the best way to be able to use flash player on a 64-bit ltsp server? [03:43] durrr [03:43] How do I do that? It posted somewhere? [03:43] Petaris, I didn't think that flash on 64bit was possible.... === willvdl looks sheepish [03:44] cbx33: not nativly [03:44] sbalneav: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ but they're a bit behind usually [03:44] Petaris: i think you have to run it from a 32bit chroot, your best bet might be to ask on #ubuntu [03:45] highvoltage: I figured as much [03:47] highvoltage: Do you know if local apps are possible on the ltsp clients yet? [03:47] Petaris, not yet [03:47] hrm [03:47] Petaris, I am wishing for that day [03:47] njrgh. internet is like a turtle stuck in peanut butter today [03:47] it will make edubuntu much more viable here [03:47] cbx33: me too [03:48] willvdl: it's just 12plein bandwidth that's like that ;) [03:48] its sad that ltsp on edubuntu is so far behind vanilla ltsp [03:48] *functionality wise [03:49] and yes I know they have very different ways of doing things [03:49] indeed they do [03:49] we're getting local devices this release :p [03:49] yeah, that will be nice [03:50] but less useful to me then local apps would be ATM === Yagisan likes edubuntus ltsp better then vanilla ltsp [03:51] highvoltage, I can't even reach apt.hbd [03:51] Yagisan, me too [03:53] willvdl: eek [03:53] brb [03:54] but that must be something else. I should have gigabit to server but still get 1.3ms ping [03:55] they upgraded the lan to gigabit!? [03:55] heh, they just waited for me to leave :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] I'm sitting at JaneW's old desk and the switch is right behind me [03:57] ah === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:02] Can Vanilla ltsp chroot be dropped in in place of the edubuntu one? [04:03] more or less [04:04] you can install ltsp.org on edubuntu just like you would on any other distro, but it's unsupported === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-226-171.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:06] highvoltage: define unsupported and then tell me what support is there for the current implementation? [04:07] sorry, just a bit ticked about no local apps, its going to be hell here in a few days with staff returning [04:08] that X bug was big [04:08] it's the talk of the channels [04:11] cbx33: yep, local lugs here are also full of it. was a big boo-boo :( [04:11] I wouldn't like to be responsible for that boo boo [04:11] highvoltage: If I just move the current chroot and drop in the vanilla should it just work? Or would there be other configuration to be done? [04:11] there would be some small changes [04:12] cbx33, send candy and beer to rodarvus for fixing it quickly :) [04:12] just off my head, you would probably need to copy the 'vanilla', as you call it, kernels to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp [04:13] hrm, what about the communication between the client and the server? [04:13] you need xdmcp enabled in gdm ... [04:13] ogra, I'll thank him personally when I see him [04:13] and its kind of gambling ... [04:13] If memory serves edubuntu uses ssh tunnels, I don't remember what ltsp uses [04:14] i'd rather do a workstation install and use the full ltsp.org 4.2 instead of poking around and mixing up two implementations [04:14] nobody will be able to give you support for such a mixed setup ... neither ubuntu nor ltsp.org ... [04:15] ogra: Any way to do that without rebuilding the base system? [04:15] on the other hand i dont see the problem to make local apps work in ubuntus ltsp ... [04:16] there is an article in the ltsp wiki that should help [04:16] oh? [04:16] you have a link? [04:16] no, you will need to search [04:16] i shouldnt even be here and chat ... [04:17] nautilus (2.15.92.1-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low [04:17] . [04:17] * debian/patches/80_suppress_umount_in_ltsp.patch: [04:17] - don't list umount or eject actions on ltsp, [04:17] patch by Oliver Grawert [04:17] yay :) [04:18] gnome-vfs2 (2.15.92-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low [04:18] . [04:18] * The "Make it shiny for ltspfs" release. [04:18] * Add debian/patches/22_ignore_inaccessible_volumes.patch: [04:18] - libgnomevfs/{gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c,gnome-vfs-volume-monitor-daemon.c}: [04:18] Do not create volumes for mount points which are inaccessible by the [04:18] user. [04:18] - Closes: LP#50554 [04:18] * Add debian/patches/23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch: Ignore ltspfs mounts [04:18] since the current ltspfs implementation creates associated bind mounts to [04:18] /media. This prevents generating two volumes for the same mount. [04:18] double yay [04:18] :)) [04:19] w00t waty to go ogra === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.180.168] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [04:28] ogra will we need the GPL/GNU license at the top of the scp code? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [04:29] jsgotangco: you there ? [04:29] yes [04:29] heard of these guys : Axis Global - Philippines ? [04:30] hmm yes [04:30] big OEM [04:31] Morning [04:31] Hello jsgotangco [04:31] hey bddebian === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-229-106.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:34] ping pygi [04:34] got a sec? [04:34] cbx33, not really, sorry :( [04:34] ok np === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === cafuego__ [n=cafuego@ppp74-218.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu === gotama [n=manager@218-169-141-140.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:16] Hello There! [05:17] hi gotama [05:17] Accepted ltspfsd 0.2-0ubuntu1 (source) [05:17] :)))) [05:17] I setup two pcs (sever an client) to install over the network, every thing is fine. [05:18] But how can I use my CD on the server machine? [05:18] Going through the internet is too slow. Help please. [05:20] you want to play the cd on the server and hear it on the client? [05:21] I want to use the cd on the server to install edubuntu in the second machine. [05:22] The second pc doesn't have cdrom. === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@220.226.32.110] has joined #edubuntu [05:24] The installer program ask for the mirror. [05:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuViaNetBoot [05:24] I want it use my CD on the server. [05:30] Thanks boys. I'm going to take a good look to EdubuntuViaNetBoot. === gotama [n=manager@218-169-141-140.dynamic.hinet.net] has left #edubuntu [] [05:41] ogra, we have a booth for edubuntu on the linuxworldexpo in cologne [05:41] cool [05:42] when is it ? [05:43] 14-17.11 [05:43] 14-16.11 [05:43] hmm ... [05:43] thats likely the date of the next ubuntu conf [05:44] hehe always the same [05:46] ogra: on the edubuntu forums, can you remember if it was decided that the forums should integrate with ubuntuforums, or whether it should be in the drupal site? [05:46] (sorry, I know you should chat) [05:46] cbx33: Have you done anything with local apps or the fat client spec? [05:47] Petaris, thats postponed to edgy+1 until we have proper auth meachanisms [05:48] (fat clients) [05:48] highvoltage, i dont remember, but there must be a meeting log [05:48] highvoltage, hello, how's k3b? :) [05:48] ogra: I was just wondering if he had played with it himself? [05:48] pygi: working well! [05:49] highvoltage, with libburn? good, good :) [05:49] Petaris: I've implemented fat clients for digital doorway (http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za) [05:49] but it's insecure on an open network (/home is exported via nfs) [05:49] right [05:49] and the passwd and shadow and group files are stored in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, [05:50] with symlinks from there to /etc [05:50] I'm haveing trouble figuring out how to start the app on the client locally [05:50] it's not too much hard work to get that working on edubuntu, but also, it's unsupported, and upgrades will break. [05:53] Petaris, no [05:54] highvoltage: I am less interested in fat clients then I am in just a couple of local apps [05:54] ogra mentioned a doc in the wiki on local apps but I have been unable to find it [05:54] Petaris, it'll be good when it happens [05:55] but I'm gona wait till it's don properly by da man :p [05:55] cbx33: I saw in the meeting notes from a while back that you asked about it [05:55] I did [05:55] I wondered if it was a spec for edgy [05:55] so I wasn't sure if you were working on it or not [05:55] meee !!!! [05:55] no [05:55] I'm not that clever [05:56] hrm [05:56] sorry bud [05:56] i know thereis a wiki document [05:56] hang onI'll try and find it [05:56] local apps wouldn't be nessessary here if flash were avaliable for x86_64 [05:56] ah i see [05:56] I found the fat client wiki, but I'm assuming thats not it [05:56] hence why I don;t use 64bit just yet [05:57] hmmm [05:57] I can't find it [05:57] there was one [05:57] think it's been deleted [05:57] I wish adobe would release a ner version that has that support [05:58] x86_64 isn't exactly new [05:58] no I know, but.... [05:58] not a lot we can do about it atm [05:58] boycot adobe :) === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] Petaris, there is a debian doc how to run firefox in a 32bit chroot on amd64 machines ... [06:02] its nothing you need local apps for at all [06:02] ogra: I don't suppose you have a link to that? [06:03] if i look that up now, local devices wont happen today ... which will delay me even more [06:03] its somewhere on alioth.debian.org [06:03] ok, I'll look there === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:35] cbx33: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=32-bit+chroot [07:39] Petaris, too much like hard work [07:39] :p [07:39] I'll stick with i386 for now [07:39] !!! hehehe [07:39] Sorry, I don't know anything about hehehe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [07:39] sorry ubotu [07:40] cbx33: just thought you might find it interesting [07:40] indeed I did [07:40] I'll probably try it out [07:40] on my machine at work [07:40] as it is 64 bit, and I need flash sometimes [07:42] hrm [07:42] what was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients? [07:43] was it just ltsp ssh-keygen [07:45] in case anyone wants to test: [07:45] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004260.html [07:45] (in edgy only indeed) [07:45] :D === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [07:46] lucasvo, ^^^ [07:47] ogra: apt-get install ltspfs? [07:49] lucasvo, get that version of ltsp [07:49] sudo apt-get install ltspfs on the server [07:49] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltspfsd [07:49] for the client [07:50] ltsp-server is already the newest version. [07:50] i havent added a echo "fuse" >> /etc/modules to the postinst script yet [07:50] so you need to do that manually [07:50] and the user needs to be in the fuse group [07:52] which user? [07:52] the user that uses localdev [07:53] which other user would i mean :) [07:54] I don't know, maybe an ltsp user? [07:54] indeed [07:54] what other user would use thin client devices ;) === ogra just listens to music from his usbdisk via an usb headset with rhythmbox, both attached to a thin client [07:56] :) [07:57] oooh [07:57] you showoff ogra [07:57] hehe [07:58] ogra I wanted to as ka quick SCP related question [07:58] well not just SCP [07:58] teachers...ie people who are goign to use SCP, I dn;t know about you, but me being an administrator of a school system [07:58] they shut down the net and lock the room in 2 min [07:58] I don;t want them having sudo access [07:58] you know our ACL lets root send to the system bus for SCP [07:59] what about having a %admin% group [07:59] yep [07:59] which teachers could be a part of [07:59] we have the admin group ;) [07:59] instead of using sudo [07:59] that wont work [07:59] why? [07:59] just curious [07:59] the admin group is what gives you sudo [07:59] oh [07:59] see /etc/sudoers :) [07:59] what abotu a teaacher group?# [07:59] no [07:59] make SCP run as a special user like willow [08:00] bye [08:00] b-y-e? :S === cbx33 doesnt understand and spontaneously combusts === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-239-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [08:02] ok, it's not working on first attempt === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [08:04] cool, I have flash workign [08:04] er, working [08:07] hi LaserJock === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:12] :( [08:12] where did ogra go [08:13] what was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients? [08:14] I thought it was something like ltsp-update ssh-keys [08:15] ahh, nevermind [08:15] ltsp-update-sshkeys === willvdl wonders why the alsa drivers require libncurses [08:43] ah, alsamixer. course [08:43] that's not the drivers; that's alsa-utils. [08:44] heh, I just scrambled to check whether I had made a packaging error. I was fairly certain there was nothing that built against or depended on libncurses5{-dev,} [08:44] $ apt-cache depends alsa-base alsa-source linux-sound-base |grep ncurs [08:44] $ === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] Hi Amaranth [08:48] hey [08:48] just got internet turned back on at my house [08:48] woohooo [08:49] yeah [08:49] 300 unread emails :/ [08:49] i just checked them yesterday when i was at the library [08:53] bugger, I just found out were going to be about 650,000 US in the whole this year [08:53] I wonder if they are going to cut staff [08:53] at the very least I bet my budget dissappears [09:00] Petaris, how much is your budget a year [09:15] crimsun :) [09:16] sound issues on ALC883 === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #edubuntu [] [09:19] cbx33: 10k US [09:19] how many people? [09:19] about 100 staff and 635 students [09:20] 200 workstations [09:20] *including the two 25 client ltsp labs [09:20] that is a tiny budget [09:20] yeah [09:21] but its usually one of the first things to get chopped [09:21] mine is about $16000 this year [09:21] willvdl: sorry, I have no idea what "sound issues on ALC883" refers to (missing context entirely) [09:22] last year we had $400,000 :D a kind of grant [09:23] crimsun, my alsa comment was worse. [09:23] cbx33: nice [09:24] cbx33: What type of org do you work for? [09:24] I work for a secondary school in the UK [09:24] ahh [09:24] willvdl: I really have no idea what you mean. Are you implying you're having issues in Ubuntu [Warty? Hoary? Breezy? Dapper? Edgy?] with the HDA Realtek 883 codec? [09:25] crimsun, yeah, sorry was typing too slow [09:26] willvdl: Which Ubuntu release? Are you running the latest errata kernel (2.6.15-26.46)? What sort of issues? [09:27] 2.6.15-26-686 [09:27] trying to patch the alsa drivers with an Acer patch === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:31] which acer patch in particular? [09:31] hmmm, I wonder if it is bed time in Germany [09:33] it's getting fairly late at night. Are you referring to o gra's bedtime (is there one?) or other people's? === ggeller [n=ggeller@ip70-181-199-209.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] hmm, lost it === willvdl scratches head [09:36] crimsun: all the disto sprint people seem to be gone === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.181.79] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] oliver, rodrigo, richard [09:36] they're probably all getting smashed. I certainly would be. [09:37] rodrigo is probably drinking away the pain of breaking so many people's computers :) [09:37] heh [09:37] poor guy [09:38] given he is not an X guy, I feel sorry for him [09:38] but given we almost lost Luis Villa, I don't [09:38] I'm feeling like -updates and the point release did not work very succesfully [09:39] we put out this LTS release, and then we have a ton of updates some of which break previously working packages [09:39] updates has, this X issue was one [09:39] the point release works [09:39] this X is the only piece I have seen that breaks anything [09:40] I've heard people say that they had issues with the point release [09:40] ah, well lower scale stuff [09:40] doko uploaded a completely uninstabllable matplotlib [09:40] to universe -update [09:40] caused some problems [09:40] I know of a Via patch that hasn't been merged into linux-source-2.6.15 yet, too [09:40] and then didn't care to fix the package [09:41] people will continue to howl, but that's just the price we pay as volunteers [09:41] people wondered why it was called LTS if it needs so many updates and they updates aren't very well tested [09:42] to be fair, it wasn't well tested upstream, either [09:42] what wasn't the via patch? [09:42] the X server one [09:42] ah [09:42] heck, I think there were only -two- confirmations [09:42] well, it seems like a problem to me when -updates decreases the stability of the release [09:43] I guess it's something mdz, et al. have to worry about [09:43] :-) [09:44] ah, found it: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2378 [09:44] but uploading packages you haven't even test installed seem a little ... [09:46] willvdl: so you need acer-alc883-fix2.diff? [09:47] trying that one now [09:47] willvdl: will you pastebin your ``lspci -nv'' output so I can confirm it's relevant to you? [09:47] snd- modules are howling in dmesg === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [09:49] eish, internet v slow... [09:52] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21424 [09:55] willvdl: yep, was just discussing that in #alsa about an hour ago [09:56] worth checking logs? [09:56] not really, I just need to sanity-check that patch [09:56] the pci_subdevice id looks suspicious [09:57] (not yours but in the patch) [09:57] set to zero [09:57] yes, that's probably meant to mask off anything, which would be incorrect [09:59] yet some claim success. I suspect my problem is elsewhere [10:01] well your sub{vendor,device} ids match, so it probably _does_ work, but I need to make sure the id isn't a snafu [10:06] hmm, no luck with either patch [10:07] you should only need the second [10:07] did you unload all the alsa modules then load the fixed ones? [10:07] yip. dmesg comes alive [10:08] what syntax? [10:09] sorry, missing you here? [10:10] what commands did you use to unload and reload the sound drivers? [10:10] modprobe -r [10:11] modprobe snd-hda-intel model=acer [10:12] hopefully not ``modprobe -r'' by itself? [10:12] no :) removed all the snd- mods [10:13] you shouldn't have needed to pass the model parameter at all [10:13] tried without too [10:16] angon, didn't "actually" unload the modules cause of the dependencies... [10:16] you need to be very thorough, because I'm not willing to patch the kernel with a bogus patch. [10:17] I'm pretty sure this pci_subdevice is completely wrong [10:17] 0x0000 does _not_ match 0x0102 [10:18] darn, can't force module removal. [10:18] please force the specific subdevice model [10:19] i.e., change: [10:19] { .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0/*0x0102*/, [10:19] to: [10:19] { .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0x0102, [10:19] in the patch no doubt [10:19] in the source === mhz [n=mhz@201.223.24.155] has joined #edubuntu [10:24] Hi mhz [10:24] Petaris: hi there [10:27] should I configure with sequencer? [10:28] Is there a way to tell which version of the Edubuntu 6.06 install disk I have? [10:28] willvdl: that's orthogonal to your speaker working. [10:29] My install is failing at the "building LTSP Chroot" step, similar to what was described in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-March/001152.html === KamiQuasi [n=KamiQuas@host05.rms-inc.com] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:33] ggeller, the reference speaks of prior 6.06 release [10:34] OK. Any idea why my install would get to that step then die with just a black screen? I happened twice in a row. [10:36] hmm, happened to me once. are you wanting to build a server? [10:37] I didn't ask for a server, just the standard install. === KamiQuasi [n=KamiQuas@host05.rms-inc.com] has left #edubuntu [] [10:38] have you tried a workstation install? [10:40] I guess not. I told it what partition to use on my hd. Maybe I need to look at the pre-partitioning options more carefully. [10:43] I just selected "Install to hard disk" as the first step. This time I'm doing "Install a workstation". [10:44] unless of course you want a thin-client server :) [10:50] It seems to be working now. 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[12:09] Burgwork, great, what about you? :) [12:09] not bad [12:10] fighting with libburn & friends :)