[01:02] <bddebian> Heya
[01:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:02] <bddebian> Hehe, whoops
[01:10] <Burgwork> hey bddebian, lots of greetings there
[01:10] <bddebian> Hi Burgwork
[04:02] <kwak> hi, how can i get admin rights to upload files to edubuntu using winSCP?
[04:08] <jsgotangco> if your box has openssh server installed, users with ssh rights can upload files via scp to their $home dirs
[04:17] <kwak> ping goog
[04:20] <kwak> jstongo: im new to using edubuntu, been using K12LTSP and used root access privileges. I want to add a folder in /opt to be run auto by rc.local. 
[04:21] <LaserJock> use sudo to get root privileges
[04:22] <kwak> il try
[04:26] <kwak> ok i configured screen_01 = startx but i only get grey screen, no login screen. what could be the cause
[04:27] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what you are doing
[04:27] <LaserJock> but usually startx doesn't give you a login screen
[04:27] <LaserJock> gdm is for that
[04:29] <kwak> so i should put screen_01 = gdm
[04:30] <kwak> new to edubuntu. been used to k12ltsp for 2 years just switched
[04:33] <LaserJock> to be honest I don't know
[04:48] <kwak> great! i really need to have to working as soon as possible. anybody out there can help
[05:37] <sbalneav> Eveing all
[05:38] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav 
[05:38] <sbalneav> Hey there laserjock!
[05:38] <LaserJock> kwak: can you describe what you are trying to do more (i.e. what file you are editing)?
[05:38] <sbalneav> Good news.  Pitti approved the code I wrote for localdevs, so now lbmount, and ltspfs are in main!
[05:38] <sbalneav> Whoo hoo
[05:40] <LaserJock> \o/
[09:20] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I have noticed spam that has a picture with the spam and then random strings gleaned from a mailing list, coming to the -owners addy of the mailing lists I help run
[09:21] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia 
[09:22] <highvoltage> yeah, the spam I am getting is even more evil, it comes directly into my inbox, using addresses of people I know (such as JaneW or ogra)
[09:23] <rodarvus> good morning
[09:26] <Burgundavia> morning RichEd
[09:26] <Burgundavia> hmm, haven't got them yet
[09:26] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia ...
[09:26] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to crash
[09:26] <Burgundavia> is midnight here
[09:27] <highvoltage> goodnight Burgundavia 
[09:27] <highvoltage> mornign rodarvus and RichEd 
[09:28] <RichEd> I am just popping my head in ... battling some kind of virus ... will probably be man down for most of the day.
[09:28] <rodarvus> hey highvoltage 
[09:28] <ogra> highvoltage, worse is that jelkner always answers them
[09:29] <ogra> and complains the attached file didnt open ...
[09:30] <Burgundavia> ogra: he is a trusting man
[09:30] <cbx33> hi all
[09:30] <cbx33> mornin ogra
[09:30] <cbx33> mornin Burgundavia 
[09:30] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[09:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, a trusting man i told about 10 times that i dont send mails with word files attached :)
[09:31] <Burgundavia> some people are busy
[09:31] <Burgundavia> I do actually need to crash, so as much as this is
[09:31] <Burgundavia> good night all
[09:31] <cbx33> nn
[09:31] <cbx33> ogra: I just deleted those emails
[09:32] <cbx33> I though....ogra _never_ _ever_ emails me personally :p
[09:32] <ogra> well, as anybody does i guess :)
[09:32] <cbx33> well as we'd been talking about artwork, I wondered if you'd sent me some artwork pictures......but then I saw the MS crap, and thought better of it !!! :p
[09:35] <highvoltage> ogra: oh no! that is quite bad! (and very funny :p)
[09:35] <highvoltage> morning cbx33 and ogra 
[09:35] <cbx33> ogra did you get a chance to see the scp
[09:35] <cbx33> mornin highvoltage 
[09:40] <cbx33> mornin HedgeMage 
[09:40] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[09:41] <HedgeMage> just thought I'd pop on for a moment before bed
[09:41] <HedgeMage> finally got some Edubuntu Handbook work done... hopefully I'll have time to get another chapter or two finished tomorrow
[09:42] <cbx33> nice one HedgeMage 
[09:42] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:42] <HedgeMage> thanks
[09:43] <HedgeMage> At this point I just want the darn thing published so I can move on to devvy things :)
[09:43] <cbx33> HedgeMage: hehehe
[09:43] <cbx33> HedgeMage: I know what you mean
[09:43] <cbx33> I went away for a weekend break WITHOUT A PC ???
[09:44] <HedgeMage> hey, I was at my folks' place for nearly 2 weeks without internet
[09:44] <cbx33> HedgeMage: how did you cope
[09:44] <HedgeMage> oddly enough, I like being in the country enough that I don't miss it until I come back and realize how far behind I am
[09:44] <cbx33> ogra: I'm looking at the spec, thinking about the plugins implementtation
[09:45] <highvoltage> hey HedgeMage 
[09:45] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage, what's up?
[09:45] <highvoltage> catching up, like always :)
[09:46] <HedgeMage> heh join the club :)
[09:58] <HedgeMage> OMG... I think TT may *finally* be asleep
[10:16] <HedgeMage> it appears he means it this time... I'm off to bed now, too
[11:36] <highvoltage> ugh. Laser_away's spec has been de-approved again :(
[11:36] <RichEd> willvdl: you dere bwana ?
[11:37] <highvoltage> (edubuntu-dynamic-menus)
[11:37] <highvoltage> hey willvdl 
[11:38] <RichEd> highvoltage: why have the dynamic menus been de-approved = delay for later release or punted into touch ?
[11:39] <willvdl> hey folks
[11:39] <willvdl> sorry, looking at emails. not watching irc
[11:41] <RichEd> willvdl: meeting on thursday 12:00-1:00 pm - Marc Schmidt - Clive's new IT director
[11:41] <RichEd> okay with you ?
[11:42] <willvdl> excellent
[11:42] <RichEd> 12:00-12:30 will probably be him & me, with you joining at 12:30-1:00
[11:42] <willvdl> take it Abrie called back? 
[11:42] <RichEd> and then you & I can do 1:00-2:00
[11:43] <RichEd> no Lynette ... check you email for details of her new job secondment
[11:43] <highvoltage> RichEd: check the whiteboard: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[11:44] <willvdl> hmmm, RichEd, I'm suprised my web queries did not point me there
[11:47] <RichEd> nepad info is disconected by design ;)
[11:48] <RichEd> hi orga ...
[11:48] <RichEd> ogra even :P
[11:48] <RichEd> (not to confuse our geman coder with a misspelt great white shark)
[11:53] <willvdl> orca's are whales...
[11:56] <RichEd> meant to say killer whale ... brain fuzzed today ... as you can see in a major way from the evidence above
[11:57] <RichEd> highvoltage: i checked out the link, but don't see de-approved status : uds-paris (Accepted) ? am i missing something ?
[12:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: Definition:  Discussion  (Needs guidance) 
[12:01] <highvoltage> RichEd: that was "Approved" before
[12:01] <RichEd> ahhhhhh ...
[12:01] <RichEd> It may fit well with a project that has just been approved (EU funding) ... so I will keep an eye on it.
[12:15] <willvdl> ooh ooh, core 2 duo has arrived
[12:28] <cbx33> RichEd: has the SCP one beenapproved now?
[12:32] <RichEd> cbx33: SCP ? sorry virus ravaged brain is not decoding acronyms today ...
[12:32] <cbx33> student control panel
[12:39] <RichEd> cbx33: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/student-control-panel-completion : Definition:  Pending Approval  (Needs guidance) 
[12:47] <cbx33> RichEd: ah ok
[12:47] <cbx33> I've done a lot of that spec now
[01:22] <RichEd> highvoltage: this does not work -> gary@imlipinux.co.za <- please adjust your dyslexia filter
[01:24] <highvoltage> RichEd: lol
[01:25] <highvoltage> RichEd: I was just about to say "hey, that's what it says on his businesscard" :)
[01:25] <RichEd> sounds like a new local flavour of fanta !
[02:38] <jsgotangco> ogra: are you aware your email is spoofed with spam at the moment?
[02:38] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:39] <jsgotangco> ogry?
[02:39] <highvoltage> lol
[02:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: you email seems to be spoofed lately :/
[02:39] <highvoltage> ogry is probably an angry ogra
[02:40] <Petaris> jsgotangco: At least he didn't change it to orgy
[02:40] <Petaris> lol
[02:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think he's aware of that (as well as everyone else who is in somebody's OE address book)
[02:40] <jsgotangco> ive seen him almost naked i wouldn't want to imagine more
[02:40] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hehe
[02:40] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: how are you doing?
[02:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes, i noticed the 100s of answers from jelkner that he's not able to open my wordfile i sent ...
[02:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm doing ok.
[02:41] <jsgotangco> bwahaha
[02:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how are you doing?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ive been pretty busy with a top secret edubuntu project
[02:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:42] <highvoltage> i'm trying to blog on 'how i am doing', but it's difficult to figure out :)
[02:42] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: top secret eh?
[02:42] <jsgotangco> sure
[02:42] <highvoltage> when I have something top secret, it's so top secret that I don't even mention that it's top secret ;)
[02:43] <jsgotangco> yeah but this is the ultimate top secret edubuntu project yet
[02:43] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what's with the secrecy? don't want the world to know what you're doing?
[02:43] <jsgotangco> the beast of the east
[02:43] <jsgotangco> oh its no big deal really, we're just going to have edubuntu on 5,124 public schools over here
[02:44] <highvoltage> is that with the indonesian woman you talked about last week?
[02:44] <jsgotangco> err no
[02:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: cool
[02:46] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sounds exciting
[02:46] <jsgotangco> im flying to sg next month for an IOSN training so for me its pretty much home focused at the moment
[02:49] <highvoltage> sg?
[02:49] <jsgotangco> singapore
[02:49] <highvoltage> aah
[02:50] <jsgotangco> i havent been much help development-wise lately :(
[02:50] <jsgotangco> although i'll make sure we get our SoC quiz app in universe in edgy
[02:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: me neither :/
[02:54] <highvoltage> setting up a new business is no joke, although I think most of the hardest parts are over.
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i can imagine
[03:08] <Petaris> Has anyone played with local apps on the ltsp setup?
[03:11] <Petaris> ok, anyone know of a way to run the flash plugin on 64-bit
[03:18] <cbx33> yikes I lost all graphical after an xserver-worg-core update
[03:18] <cbx33> :S
[03:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: many people did :(
[03:26] <ogra> just run edgy, that works :P
[03:26] <Petaris> hrm
[03:26] <bimberi> !xorgbug
[03:26] <ubotu> If X is broken after a recent update you can upgrade (i386 - see '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix') or downgrade ('/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-amd64' or '/msg ubotu xorgbugfix-ppc')
[03:26] <bimberi> cbx33: ^^^^
[03:27] <gnomefreak> its fixed
[03:27] <ogra> its already fixed afaik ...
[03:27] <cbx33> yup
[03:27] <bimberi> is it propogated?
[03:27] <cbx33> I just updated
[03:27] <cbx33> thanks guys
[03:27] <gnomefreak> the uk servers have it along with the gb but thats all im aware of atm
[03:27] <cbx33> phew I was worried
[03:27] <bimberi> k
[03:27] <Petaris> hrm, when trying to install (via apt) firefox into the ltsp chroot I get the following error: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). Error, do this: mount -t proc none /proc
[03:27] <cbx33> ogra, you around?
[03:28] <cbx33> do you have two seconds for little old me?
[03:28] <ogra> only very partially
[03:28] <ogra> i'm very busy over here  ...
[03:28] <cbx33> ok
[03:28] <cbx33> I'll be brief
[03:28] <cbx33> I've finished the kill/execute
[03:29] <ogra> yay !
[03:29] <cbx33> added in a little extra for you to see too ! :p
[03:29] <cbx33> Message !
[03:29] <cbx33> you can send a single simple message to a client
[03:29] <ogra> i'll look at it tomorrow ...
[03:29] <ogra> should be done with localdev today, then i'll jump on SCP
[03:29] <cbx33> like "Johnny Get off the pr0n sites"
[03:29] <ogra> hahaha
[03:29] <cbx33> and it pops up in a GTK dialog box
[03:30] <cbx33> I was goign to look at the plugin framework later
[03:30] <ogra> cool !
[03:30] <cbx33> so maybe if you have some time later we can chat about it?
[03:30] <ogra> not today, but tomorrow i'll plan some time for it ...
[03:30] <cbx33> ok cool
[03:31] <cbx33> oh
[03:31] <cbx33> when you look at my branch
[03:31] <cbx33> I have a portion commented out so that I can test locally
[03:31] <cbx33> just ignore it
[03:31] <ogra> thats fine
[03:31] <cbx33> it's in the function that picks up the usernames from the grepping of the ps
[03:31] <ogra> yep
[03:32] <ogra> i modify that too if i test without client attached :)
[03:32] <cbx33> :)
[03:32] <cbx33> ok cool
[03:32] <cbx33> well enjoy I hope I havn't done too bad a job
[03:32] <cbx33> It's nice and extendable
[03:33] <cbx33> we'll chat about it tomorrow
[03:33] <ogra> yup
[03:34] <ogra> it shall go to main, so it has to pass a review by the security team anyway
[03:34] <cbx33> I have a number of questions
[03:34] <cbx33> but as I said they can wait till tomorrow
[03:34] <cbx33> yes I guessed that
[03:37] <ogra> did sbalneav show up today ? 
[03:38] <highvoltage> i think he was here very early in the morning
[03:38] <cbx33> I havn't seen him today at all
[03:38] <Yagisan> !seen sbalneav
[03:38] <ubotu> I last saw sbalneav (n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net) 8h 16m 37s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat"
[03:38] <ogra> ah, k
[03:39] <cbx33> well done highvoltage 
[03:39] <Yagisan> there you go ;)
[03:39] <cbx33> hi Yagisan 
[03:39] <ogra> right, i always forget about the bot
[03:39] <Yagisan> I wish that bot is in the channels I op on sometimes
[03:39] <highvoltage> :)
[03:41] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[03:41] <willvdl> uncanny
[03:41] <cbx33> very
[03:41] <willvdl> it's as if the bot pulled him into existence
[03:41] <cbx33> almost freaky
[03:42] <sbalneav> You talkin' to me?
[03:42] <willvdl> !seen 1 Million Dollars?
[03:42] <sbalneav> Are you talkin' to me?
[03:42] <cbx33> sbalneav, no
[03:42] <cbx33> we're talking about you :p
[03:42] <willvdl> sbalneav, check the log
[03:42] <Petaris> What is the best way to be able to use flash player on a 64-bit ltsp server?
[03:43] <sbalneav> durrr
[03:43] <sbalneav> How do I do that?  It posted somewhere?
[03:43] <cbx33> Petaris, I didn't think that flash on 64bit was possible....
[03:44] <Petaris> cbx33: not nativly
[03:44] <bimberi> sbalneav: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/  but they're a bit behind usually
[03:44] <highvoltage> Petaris: i think you have to run it from a 32bit chroot, your best bet might be to ask on #ubuntu
[03:45] <Petaris> highvoltage: I figured as much
[03:47] <Petaris> highvoltage: Do you know if local apps are possible on the ltsp clients yet?
[03:47] <cbx33> Petaris, not yet
[03:47] <Petaris> hrm
[03:47] <cbx33> Petaris, I am wishing for that day
[03:47] <willvdl> njrgh. internet is like a turtle stuck in peanut butter today
[03:47] <cbx33> it will make edubuntu much more viable here
[03:47] <Petaris> cbx33: me too
[03:48] <highvoltage> willvdl: it's just 12plein bandwidth that's like that ;)
[03:48] <Petaris> its sad that ltsp on edubuntu is so far behind vanilla ltsp
[03:48] <Petaris> *functionality wise
[03:49] <Petaris> and yes I know they have very different ways of doing things
[03:49] <cbx33> indeed they do
[03:49] <cbx33> we're getting local devices this release :p
[03:49] <Petaris> yeah, that will be nice
[03:50] <Petaris> but less useful to me then local apps would be ATM
[03:51] <willvdl> highvoltage, I can't even reach apt.hbd
[03:51] <cbx33> Yagisan, me too
[03:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: eek
[03:53] <cbx33> brb
[03:54] <willvdl> but that must be something else. I should have gigabit to server but still get 1.3ms ping
[03:55] <highvoltage> they upgraded the lan to gigabit!?
[03:55] <highvoltage> heh, they just waited for me to leave :)
[03:57] <willvdl> I'm sitting at JaneW's old desk and the switch is right behind me
[03:57] <highvoltage> ah
[04:02] <Petaris> Can Vanilla ltsp chroot be dropped in in place of the edubuntu one?
[04:03] <highvoltage> more or less
[04:04] <highvoltage> you can install ltsp.org on edubuntu just like you would on any other distro, but it's unsupported
[04:06] <Petaris> highvoltage: define unsupported and then tell me what support is there for the current implementation?
[04:07] <Petaris> sorry, just a bit ticked about no local apps, its going to be hell here in a few days with staff returning
[04:08] <cbx33> that X bug was big
[04:08] <cbx33> it's the talk of the channels
[04:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, local lugs here are also full of it. was a big boo-boo :(
[04:11] <cbx33> I wouldn't like to be responsible for that boo boo
[04:11] <Petaris> highvoltage: If I just move the current chroot and drop in the vanilla should it just work?  Or would there be other configuration to be done?
[04:11] <highvoltage> there would be some small changes
[04:12] <ogra> cbx33, send candy and beer to rodarvus for fixing it quickly :)
[04:12] <highvoltage> just off my head, you would probably need to copy the 'vanilla', as you call it, kernels to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[04:13] <Petaris> hrm, what about the communication between the client and the server?
[04:13] <ogra> you need xdmcp enabled in gdm ...
[04:13] <cbx33> ogra, I'll thank him personally when I see him
[04:13] <ogra> and its kind of gambling ...
[04:13] <Petaris> If memory serves edubuntu uses ssh tunnels, I don't remember what ltsp uses
[04:14] <ogra> i'd rather do a workstation install and use the full ltsp.org 4.2 instead of poking around and mixing up two implementations
[04:14] <ogra> nobody will be able to give you support for such a mixed setup ... neither ubuntu nor ltsp.org ... 
[04:15] <Petaris> ogra: Any way to do that without rebuilding the base system?
[04:15] <ogra> on the other hand i dont see the problem to make local apps work in ubuntus ltsp ...
[04:16] <ogra> there is an article in the ltsp wiki that should help 
[04:16] <Petaris> oh?
[04:16] <Petaris> you have a link?
[04:16] <ogra> no, you will need to search 
[04:16] <ogra> i shouldnt even be here and chat ...
[04:17] <ogra>  nautilus (2.15.92.1-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low
[04:17] <ogra>  .
[04:17] <ogra>    * debian/patches/80_suppress_umount_in_ltsp.patch:
[04:17] <ogra>      - don't list umount or eject actions on ltsp,
[04:17] <ogra>        patch by Oliver Grawert <ogra@ubuntu.com>
[04:17] <ogra> yay :)
[04:18] <ogra>  gnome-vfs2 (2.15.92-0ubuntu2) edgy; urgency=low
[04:18] <ogra>  .
[04:18] <ogra>    * The "Make it shiny for ltspfs" release.
[04:18] <ogra>    * Add debian/patches/22_ignore_inaccessible_volumes.patch:
[04:18] <ogra>      - libgnomevfs/{gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c,gnome-vfs-volume-monitor-daemon.c}:
[04:18] <ogra>        Do not create volumes for mount points which are inaccessible by the
[04:18] <ogra>        user.
[04:18] <ogra>      - Closes: LP#50554
[04:18] <ogra>    * Add debian/patches/23_ignore_ltspfs_volumes.patch: Ignore ltspfs mounts
[04:18] <ogra>      since the current ltspfs implementation creates associated bind mounts to
[04:18] <ogra>      /media. This prevents generating two volumes for the same mount.
[04:18] <ogra> double yay
[04:18] <ogra> :))
[04:19] <cbx33> w00t waty to go ogra 
[04:28] <cbx33> ogra will we need the GPL/GNU license at the top of the scp code?
[04:29] <RichEd> jsgotangco: you there ?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:29] <RichEd> heard of these guys : Axis Global - Philippines ?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> hmm yes
[04:30] <jsgotangco> big OEM
[04:31] <bddebian> Morning
[04:31] <bddebian> Hello jsgotangco
[04:31] <jsgotangco> hey bddebian
[04:34] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[04:34] <cbx33> got a sec?
[04:34] <pygi> cbx33, not really, sorry :(
[04:34] <cbx33> ok np
[05:16] <gotama> Hello There!
[05:17] <highvoltage> hi gotama 
[05:17] <ogra> Accepted ltspfsd 0.2-0ubuntu1 (source)
[05:17] <ogra> :))))
[05:17] <gotama> I setup two pcs (sever an client) to install over the network, every thing is fine.
[05:18] <gotama> But how can I use my CD on the server machine?
[05:18] <gotama> Going through the internet is too slow. Help please.
[05:20] <highvoltage> you want to play the cd on the server and hear it on the client?
[05:21] <gotama> I want to use the cd on the server to install edubuntu in the second machine.
[05:22] <gotama> The second pc doesn't have cdrom.
[05:24] <gotama> The installer program ask for the mirror.
[05:24] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuViaNetBoot
[05:24] <gotama> I want it use my CD on the server.
[05:30] <gotama> Thanks boys. I'm going to take a good look to EdubuntuViaNetBoot.
[05:41] <juliux> ogra, we have a booth for edubuntu on the linuxworldexpo in cologne
[05:41] <ogra> cool
[05:42] <ogra> when is it ? 
[05:43] <juliux> 14-17.11
[05:43] <juliux> 14-16.11
[05:43] <ogra> hmm ...
[05:43] <ogra> thats likely the date of the next ubuntu conf
[05:44] <juliux> hehe always the same
[05:46] <highvoltage> ogra: on the edubuntu forums, can you remember if it was decided that the forums should integrate with ubuntuforums, or whether it should be in the drupal site?
[05:46] <highvoltage> (sorry, I know you should chat)
[05:46] <Petaris> cbx33: Have you done anything with local apps or the fat client spec?
[05:47] <ogra> Petaris, thats postponed to edgy+1 until we have proper auth meachanisms
[05:48] <ogra> (fat clients)
[05:48] <ogra> highvoltage, i dont remember, but there must be a meeting log
[05:48] <pygi> highvoltage, hello, how's k3b? :)
[05:48] <Petaris> ogra: I was just wondering if he had played with it himself?
[05:48] <highvoltage> pygi: working well!
[05:49] <pygi> highvoltage, with libburn? good, good :)
[05:49] <highvoltage> Petaris: I've implemented fat clients for digital doorway (http://www.digitaldoorway.co.za)
[05:49] <highvoltage> but it's insecure on an open network (/home is exported via nfs)
[05:49] <Petaris> right
[05:49] <highvoltage> and the passwd and shadow and group files are stored in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc,
[05:50] <highvoltage> with symlinks from there to /etc
[05:50] <Petaris> I'm haveing trouble figuring out how to start the app on the client locally
[05:50] <highvoltage> it's not too much hard work to get that working on edubuntu, but also, it's unsupported, and upgrades will break.
[05:53] <cbx33> Petaris, no
[05:54] <Petaris> highvoltage: I am less interested in fat clients then I am in just a couple of local apps
[05:54] <Petaris> ogra mentioned a doc in the wiki on local apps but I have been unable to find it
[05:54] <cbx33> Petaris, it'll be good when it happens
[05:55] <cbx33> but I'm gona wait till it's don properly by da man :p
[05:55] <Petaris> cbx33: I saw in the meeting notes from a while back that you asked about it
[05:55] <cbx33> I did
[05:55] <cbx33> I wondered if it was a spec for edgy
[05:55] <Petaris> so I wasn't sure if you were working on it or not
[05:55] <cbx33> meee !!!!
[05:55] <cbx33> no
[05:55] <cbx33> I'm not that clever
[05:56] <Petaris> hrm
[05:56] <cbx33> sorry bud
[05:56] <cbx33> i know thereis a wiki document
[05:56] <cbx33> hang onI'll try and find it
[05:56] <Petaris> local apps wouldn't be nessessary here if flash were avaliable for x86_64
[05:56] <cbx33> ah i see
[05:56] <Petaris> I found the fat client wiki, but I'm assuming thats not it
[05:56] <cbx33> hence why I don;t use 64bit just yet
[05:57] <cbx33> hmmm
[05:57] <cbx33> I can't find it
[05:57] <cbx33> there was one
[05:57] <cbx33> think it's been deleted
[05:57] <Petaris> I wish adobe would release a ner version that has that support
[05:58] <Petaris> x86_64 isn't exactly new
[05:58] <cbx33> no I know, but....
[05:58] <cbx33> not a lot we can do about it atm
[05:58] <Petaris> boycot adobe  :)
[06:01] <ogra> Petaris, there is a debian doc how to run firefox in a 32bit chroot on amd64 machines ... 
[06:02] <ogra> its nothing you need local apps for at all
[06:02] <Petaris> ogra: I don't suppose you have a link to that?
[06:03] <ogra> if i look that up now, local devices wont happen today ... which will delay me even more
[06:03] <ogra> its somewhere on alioth.debian.org
[06:03] <Petaris> ok, I'll look there
[07:35] <Petaris> cbx33: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=32-bit+chroot
[07:39] <cbx33> Petaris, too much like hard work
[07:39] <cbx33> :p
[07:39] <cbx33> I'll stick with i386 for now
[07:39] <cbx33> !!! hehehe
[07:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hehehe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:39] <cbx33> sorry ubotu 
[07:40] <Petaris> cbx33: just thought you might find it interesting
[07:40] <cbx33> indeed I did
[07:40] <cbx33> I'll probably try it out 
[07:40] <cbx33> on my machine at work
[07:40] <cbx33> as it is 64 bit, and I need flash sometimes
[07:42] <Petaris> hrm
[07:42] <Petaris> what was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients?
[07:43] <Petaris> was it just ltsp ssh-keygen
[07:45] <ogra> in case anyone wants to test:
[07:45] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004260.html
[07:45] <ogra> (in edgy only indeed)
[07:45] <ogra> :D
[07:46] <ogra> lucasvo, ^^^
[07:47] <lucasvo> ogra: apt-get install ltspfs?
[07:49] <ogra> lucasvo, get that version of ltsp
[07:49] <ogra> sudo apt-get install ltspfs on the server
[07:49] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltspfsd
[07:49] <ogra> for the client
[07:50] <lucasvo> ltsp-server is already the newest version.
[07:50] <ogra> i havent added a echo "fuse" >> /etc/modules to the postinst script yet 
[07:50] <ogra> so you need to do that manually
[07:50] <ogra> and the user needs to be in the fuse group
[07:52] <lucasvo> which user?
[07:52] <ogra> the user that uses localdev
[07:53] <ogra> which other user would i mean :)
[07:54] <lucasvo> I don't know, maybe an ltsp user?
[07:54] <ogra> indeed
[07:54] <ogra> what other user would use thin client devices ;)
[07:56] <ogra> :)
[07:57] <cbx33> oooh 
[07:57] <cbx33> you showoff ogra
[07:57] <ogra> hehe
[07:58] <cbx33> ogra I wanted to as ka quick SCP related question
[07:58] <cbx33> well not just SCP
[07:58] <cbx33> teachers...ie people who are goign to use SCP, I dn;t know about you, but me being an administrator of a school system
[07:58] <ogra> they shut down the net and lock the room in 2 min
[07:58] <cbx33> I don;t want them having sudo access
[07:58] <cbx33> you know our ACL lets root send to the system bus for SCP
[07:59] <cbx33> what about having a %admin% group
[07:59] <ogra> yep
[07:59] <cbx33> which teachers could be a part of
[07:59] <ogra> we have the admin group ;)
[07:59] <cbx33> instead of using sudo
[07:59] <ogra> that wont work
[07:59] <cbx33> why?
[07:59] <cbx33> just curious
[07:59] <ogra> the admin group is what gives you sudo
[07:59] <cbx33> oh
[07:59] <ogra> see /etc/sudoers :)
[07:59] <cbx33> what abotu a teaacher group?#
[07:59] <ogra> no
[07:59] <ogra> make SCP run as a special user like willow
[08:00] <ogra> bye
[08:00] <cbx33> b-y-e? :S
[08:02] <lucasvo> ok, it's not working on first attempt
[08:04] <Petaris> cool, I have flash workign
[08:04] <Petaris> er, working
[08:07] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[08:12] <LaserJock> :(
[08:12] <LaserJock> where did ogra go
[08:13] <Petaris> what was the command to regenerate the ssh-keys for the clients?
[08:14] <Petaris> I thought it was something like ltsp-update ssh-keys
[08:15] <Petaris> ahh, nevermind
[08:15] <Petaris> ltsp-update-sshkeys
[08:43] <willvdl> ah, alsamixer. course
[08:43] <crimsun> that's not the drivers; that's alsa-utils.
[08:44] <crimsun> heh, I just scrambled to check whether I had made a packaging error. I was fairly certain there was nothing that built against or depended on libncurses5{-dev,}
[08:44] <crimsun> $ apt-cache depends alsa-base alsa-source linux-sound-base |grep ncurs 
[08:44] <crimsun> $ 
[08:48] <cbx33> Hi Amaranth 
[08:48] <Amaranth> hey
[08:48] <Amaranth> just got internet turned back on at my house
[08:48] <cbx33> woohooo
[08:49] <Amaranth> yeah
[08:49] <Amaranth> 300 unread emails :/
[08:49] <Amaranth> i just checked them yesterday when i was at the library
[08:53] <Petaris> bugger, I just found out were going to be about 650,000 US in the whole this year
[08:53] <Petaris> I wonder if they are going to cut staff
[08:53] <Petaris> at the very least I bet my budget dissappears
[09:00] <cbx33> Petaris, how much is your budget a year
[09:15] <willvdl> crimsun :)
[09:16] <willvdl> sound issues on ALC883
[09:19] <Petaris> cbx33: 10k US
[09:19] <cbx33> how many people?
[09:19] <Petaris> about 100 staff and 635 students
[09:20] <Petaris> 200 workstations
[09:20] <Petaris> *including the two 25 client ltsp labs
[09:20] <cbx33> that is a tiny budget
[09:20] <Petaris> yeah
[09:21] <Petaris> but its usually one of the first things to get chopped
[09:21] <cbx33> mine is about $16000 this year
[09:21] <crimsun> willvdl: sorry, I have no idea what "sound issues on ALC883" refers to (missing context entirely)
[09:22] <cbx33> last year we had $400,000 :D a kind of grant
[09:23] <willvdl> crimsun, my alsa comment was worse. 
[09:23] <Petaris> cbx33: nice
[09:24] <Petaris> cbx33: What type of org do you work for?
[09:24] <cbx33> I work for a secondary school in the UK
[09:24] <Petaris> ahh
[09:24] <crimsun> willvdl: I really have no idea what you mean. Are you implying you're having issues in Ubuntu [Warty? Hoary? Breezy? Dapper? Edgy?]  with the HDA Realtek 883 codec?
[09:25] <willvdl> crimsun, yeah, sorry was typing too slow
[09:26] <crimsun> willvdl: Which Ubuntu release? Are you running the latest errata kernel (2.6.15-26.46)? What sort of issues?
[09:27] <willvdl> 2.6.15-26-686 
[09:27] <willvdl> trying to patch the alsa drivers with an Acer patch
[09:31] <crimsun> which acer patch in particular?
[09:31] <LaserJock> hmmm, I wonder if it is bed time in Germany
[09:33] <crimsun> it's getting fairly late at night. Are you referring to o gra's bedtime (is there one?) or other people's?
[09:34] <willvdl> hmm, lost it
[09:36] <LaserJock> crimsun: all the disto sprint people seem to be gone
[09:36] <LaserJock> oliver, rodrigo,  richard
[09:36] <crimsun> they're probably all getting smashed. I certainly would be.
[09:37] <Burgwork> rodrigo is probably drinking away the pain of breaking so many people's computers :)
[09:37] <LaserJock> heh
[09:37] <LaserJock> poor guy
[09:38] <Burgwork> given he is not an X guy, I feel sorry for him
[09:38] <Burgwork> but given we almost lost Luis Villa, I don't
[09:38] <LaserJock> I'm feeling like -updates and the point release did not work very succesfully
[09:39] <LaserJock> we put out this LTS release, and then we have a ton of updates some of which break previously working packages
[09:39] <Burgwork> updates has, this X issue was one
[09:39] <Burgwork> the point release works
[09:39] <Burgwork> this X is the only piece I have seen that breaks anything
[09:40] <LaserJock> I've heard people say that they had issues with the point release
[09:40] <LaserJock> ah, well lower scale stuff
[09:40] <LaserJock> doko uploaded a completely uninstabllable matplotlib
[09:40] <LaserJock> to universe -update
[09:40] <LaserJock> caused some problems
[09:40] <crimsun> I know of a Via patch that hasn't been merged into linux-source-2.6.15 yet, too
[09:40] <LaserJock> and then didn't care to fix the package
[09:41] <crimsun> people will continue to howl, but that's just the price we pay as volunteers
[09:41] <LaserJock> people wondered why it was called LTS if it needs so many updates and they updates aren't very well tested
[09:42] <crimsun> to be fair, it wasn't well tested upstream, either
[09:42] <LaserJock> what wasn't the via patch?
[09:42] <crimsun> the X server one
[09:42] <LaserJock> ah
[09:42] <crimsun> heck, I think there were only -two- confirmations
[09:42] <LaserJock> well, it seems like a problem to me when -updates decreases the stability of the release
[09:43] <LaserJock> I guess it's something mdz, et al. have to worry about
[09:43] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:44] <willvdl> ah, found it: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2378
[09:44] <LaserJock> but uploading packages you haven't even test installed seem a little ...
[09:46] <crimsun> willvdl: so you need acer-alc883-fix2.diff?
[09:47] <willvdl> trying that one now
[09:47] <crimsun> willvdl: will you pastebin your ``lspci -nv'' output so I can confirm it's relevant to you?
[09:47] <willvdl> snd- modules are howling in dmesg
[09:49] <willvdl> eish, internet v slow...
[09:52] <willvdl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21424
[09:55] <crimsun> willvdl: yep, was just discussing that in #alsa about an hour ago
[09:56] <willvdl> worth checking logs?
[09:56] <crimsun> not really, I just need to sanity-check that patch
[09:56] <crimsun> the pci_subdevice id looks suspicious
[09:57] <crimsun> (not yours but in the patch)
[09:57] <willvdl> set to zero
[09:57] <crimsun> yes, that's probably meant to mask off anything, which would be incorrect
[09:59] <willvdl> yet some claim success. I suspect my problem is elsewhere
[10:01] <crimsun> well your sub{vendor,device} ids match, so it probably _does_ work, but I need to make sure the id isn't a snafu
[10:06] <willvdl> hmm, no luck with either patch
[10:07] <crimsun> you should only need the second
[10:07] <crimsun> did you unload all the alsa modules then load the fixed ones?
[10:07] <willvdl> yip. dmesg comes alive
[10:08] <crimsun> what syntax?
[10:09] <willvdl> sorry, missing you here?
[10:10] <crimsun> what commands did you use to unload and reload the sound drivers?
[10:10] <willvdl> modprobe -r
[10:11] <willvdl> modprobe snd-hda-intel model=acer
[10:12] <crimsun> hopefully not ``modprobe -r'' by itself?
[10:12] <willvdl> no :) removed all the snd- mods
[10:13] <crimsun> you shouldn't have needed to pass the model parameter at all
[10:13] <willvdl> tried without too
[10:16] <willvdl> angon, didn't "actually" unload the modules cause of the dependencies...
[10:16] <crimsun> you need to be very thorough, because I'm not willing to patch the kernel with a bogus patch.
[10:17] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure this pci_subdevice is completely wrong
[10:17] <crimsun> 0x0000 does _not_ match 0x0102
[10:18] <willvdl> darn, can't force module removal.
[10:18] <crimsun> please force the specific subdevice model
[10:19] <crimsun> i.e., change:
[10:19] <crimsun> { .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0/*0x0102*/,
[10:19] <crimsun> to:
[10:19] <crimsun> { .pci_subvendor = 0x1025, .pci_subdevice = 0x0102,
[10:19] <willvdl> in the patch no doubt
[10:19] <crimsun> in the source
[10:24] <Petaris> Hi mhz
[10:24] <mhz> Petaris: hi there
[10:27] <willvdl> should I configure with sequencer?
[10:28] <ggeller> Is there a way to tell which version of the Edubuntu 6.06 install disk I have?
[10:28] <crimsun> willvdl: that's orthogonal to your speaker working.
[10:29] <ggeller> My install is failing at the "building LTSP Chroot" step, similar to what was described in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-March/001152.html
[10:33] <willvdl> ggeller, the reference speaks of prior 6.06 release
[10:34] <ggeller> OK.  Any idea why my install would get to that step then die with just a black screen?  I happened twice in a row.
[10:36] <willvdl> hmm, happened to me once. are you wanting to build a server?
[10:37] <ggeller> I didn't ask for a server, just the standard install.
[10:38] <willvdl> have you tried a workstation install?
[10:40] <ggeller> I guess not.  I told it what partition to use on my hd.  Maybe I need to look at the pre-partitioning options more carefully.
[10:43] <ggeller> I just selected "Install to hard disk" as the first step.  This time I'm doing "Install a workstation".
[10:44] <willvdl> unless of course you want a thin-client server :)
[10:50] <ggeller> It seems to be working now.  Thanks for the help.
[11:33] <pygi> highvoltage, poke?
[12:09] <Burgwork> pygi, how goes it?
[12:09] <pygi> Burgwork, great, what about you? :)
[12:09] <Burgwork> not bad
[12:10] <pygi> fighting with libburn & friends :)