=== leonardovaz [n=lmvaz@201.21.232.168] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] imbrandon_, please remake your konversation build, you caught just the wrong source, the current build crashes on startup. === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-7-120.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] <_Sime> imbrandon_: I've updated the Sime kio patches. -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia [12:38] <_Sime> imbrandon_: I hope I didn't screw up the diffs.... but it should work better now. [12:43] _Sime, did you knew about this issue? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131197 [12:43] KDE bug 131197 in xinerama "KDM starts with two screens, logging in disables one screen and loses window settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ooh,] [12:52] <_Sime> omeow: nvidia twinview isn't supported in guidance, and that is the end of the story until I or someone else implements and tests twinview support. === _Sime is now known as _Sime|Zzz [12:52] <_Sime|Zzz> time for sleep === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:02] Howdy [01:13] bddebian: heya === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.221.163.228] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] danimo: ping ? [01:15] danimo: I just noticed a VERY nasty bug, but that may require someone to confirm :) [01:15] raphink: ping ? [01:16] Tonio_: pong! [01:16] Tonio_: lucky you, I was about to go to bed :) [01:16] danimo: hey :) [01:16] okay let's go quick [01:16] can you insert a dvd or audio cd and tell me what happens [01:16] Tonio_: ah, I had that today... nothing [01:16] here, nothing happens, no icon on the desktop [01:16] Hi Tonio_ [01:16] no window to prompt me for action [01:17] right [01:17] that critical issue [01:17] yes it is [01:17] Tonio_: I wanted to report it, but then I forgot about it :} [01:17] this is kde issue since I can mount a cd or play a dvd with kaffeine [01:17] danimo: kde issue or kubuntu issue ? [01:17] someone using another distro confirming would be very usefull [01:17] Tonio_: well, it worked with KDE 3.5.4 for dapper [01:17] Tonio_: so I suspect a kubuntu issue [01:18] but that probably the n1 bug I saw on kubuntu till now [01:18] okay, probably a kdebase patch........; [01:18] aye [01:19] I suspect that will be hard to fix [01:23] danimo: I wonder if udev can cause the issue [01:23] tonio@kubuntu:/dev$ ls -la scd0 [01:23] brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2006-08-21 12:53 scd0 [01:23] Tonio_: no idea, I had problems with the udev upgrade anyway [01:23] that should suffice I assume [01:23] danimo: the error occured yesterday too [01:24] Tonio_: it didn't overwrite the udev rules in /etc/udev [01:24] danimo: is the process mounting the medias running under a different user ? [01:24] Tonio_: shouldn't [01:24] Tonio_: it talks to hal via dbus which runs as root [01:24] I assume no too, but I don't see why it would work on dapper and not edgy [01:25] hal issue maybe.... [01:25] maybe [01:25] the point is "where should I report the issue" [01:25] ;) [01:25] kdebase probably first [01:25] Tonio_: how about the wiesbaden folks [01:25] Tonio_: bah, bugtracker :) [01:26] danimo: well since that it really major issue, we probably should ping riddell tomorrow concerning this [01:26] yes [01:26] danimo: I'm reporting quickly, can you wait 3 minutes to confirm ? [01:26] ok [01:28] danimo: the strange thing is that it works nicelly with a usb key [01:29] Tonio_: don't have one handy to check, sorry [01:33] danimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57170 [01:33] Malone bug 57170 in kdebase "optical medias are invisible with kde 3.5.4 on edgy" [High,Unconfirmed] [01:33] just wait for confirmation ;) [01:34] how do I confirm? === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] Tonio_: done [01:36] Tonio_: gnite! [01:38] danimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57171 [01:38] Malone bug 57171 in kdebase "problem with certain specific characters using edgy" [High,Unconfirmed] [01:38] hehe [01:38] 3 seconds and I live you alone :) [01:38] too late probably :) [01:39] Tonio_: you're tonight's lucky bastard :) [01:39] danimo: LOL :) [01:40] Tonio_: done [01:40] I promiss not to even think about talking to you now :) [01:40] have a good night danimo [01:40] Tonio_: I need to report an ACPI bug with my laptop [01:41] Tonio_: but tomorrow :) [01:41] Tonio_: and it's not kubuntu-specific [01:43] danimo: ah... [01:43] I prefer bugs that are not ubuntu specific :) [01:43] it makes it easier involving upstream to resolve it ;) [01:44] Tonio_: well, I simply need to report some acpi key events that are wrongly/not recognized [01:45] Tonio_: should be a matter of the maintainer adding a few lines to detect my dell laptop [01:45] danimo: yes, paul sladen is the man for this [01:46] ok, thanks and bye! 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[07:11] kflickr ? [07:11] yeah [07:11] yea i will, i was gonna give nixternal the chance to package it as he got it into ubuntu , but if he dont want to i will [07:11] but either way i'll either pack and upload or upload his [07:12] ;) [07:12] or if i get bord and he dont wake up soon ;) [07:12] lol [07:13] bored* [07:13] Hobbsee: check out http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/ got html templates working on it now [07:14] need to make them prety like the rest of my site but they work now === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [07:37] imbrandon: presumably as ubuntu isn't ubuntu linux kubuntu isn't kubuntu linux, oh and you head floating like that with the reflection is plain freaky :) [07:49] hahaha [07:49] and what about "ubuntu linux" ? [07:50] <_Sime|Zzz> imbrandon: did you see my message about updated kio patches on the wiki? === _Sime|Zzz is now known as Sime [07:50] Sime: not yet, i ahvent checked the wiki today [07:50] i'll look right now though [07:50] [00:44] <_Sime> imbrandon_: I've updated the Sime kio patches. -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia [07:51] cool yea i must have not caught that /me looks [07:51] imbrandon_ is my lappy ;) [07:53] hrm that last patch is for 3.4 [07:53] is it not in upstream already ? [07:53] and cool i'll start the compile tonight and it should be uploaded by morning [07:53] ( to my repos first to test ) [07:54] ahh nvm i see it for 3.5.4 [08:01] imbrandon: that other patch from bugs.kde is handy too. [08:01] imbrandon: i was meaning about it being "kubuntu" rather than "kubuntu linux" in your wee side bar, just being picky :) [08:01] seaLne: hehe ok i'll change it but i refules to put kubuntu GNU/linux ;) [08:02] Sime: yea i'm gonna include that too, applying all three right now and testing [08:02] sweet [08:02] i normally refer to it as GNU/linux unless i'm talking to friends who know [08:03] i refuse to as GNU tools arent any more important than Gnome or KDE etc [08:03] it is a Linux system [08:03] ;) [08:03] but thats just my 0.2c [08:04] yeah but everything apart from the linux kernel would be the same on freebsd etc :) [08:04] but anyway [08:05] exactly so what makes gnu more important than the bsd tools ? other wise we end up with GNU/KDE/dpkg/Linux ;) [08:05] and besides to be true to form it should be Linux/GNU as gnu tools wouldent be anything without a kernel ;) [08:06] nah you have GNU/linux GNU/freebsd GNU/hurd etc [08:07] actualy you have freebsd , linux , and hurd systems that use the gnu toolchain [08:07] ;) [08:10] e.g. i load cygwin on my windows box ( or windows sfu gnu toolset ) it dosent becomes GNU/Windows ;) === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:35] Sime: patches applied building now, should be done by moning [08:35] moring [08:35] imbrandon_: what are you using to build stuff on? [08:36] by build cluster but i have a few other things que'd [08:36] its a edgy pbuilder buildd though [08:37] 8 xboxes and 2 celeron 2.9 ghz working with ccache and distcc [08:43] nice === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:52] hi again all [08:53] hmmm. tooltips for g-p-m seem to have gone awol [08:55] er, kde-guidance === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:18] imbrandon: yes, you need an UVF exception for ktorrent 2.0.1 [09:19] imbrandon: 3.5.5 mid-september [09:19] morning Riddell [09:19] what's it now? [09:19] moin [09:19] hey kwwii_ [09:19] ! [09:19] oh, august [09:19] hey, i've been 18 for a whole month. cool. [09:19] heya kwwii_ [09:20] Riddell: yea i figured as much what do i do if upstream dosent keep a changelog ? [09:20] imbrandon: look for svn logs [09:21] heh ouch, okies , so just go back and look at the commits [09:21] howdy imbrandon [09:22] Riddell: also Sime has v2 of the patches ready ( 3 of them this time ) should we put them right into edgy or should i build and have a few people test again ? [09:22] imbrandon: lets live on the edge and put them straight in :) [09:23] hehe okie sounds rockin, i'll get some debdiffs ready for ya then [09:24] cool [09:24] URL? [09:24] i havent made them yet, doing them now === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:24] give me ~20 / 30 minutes [09:24] Riddell: i like the sound of that. :P [09:26] imbrandon: right, misread, thanks [09:27] hah. we get an email notification about LP going down about 4 hours after it was supposed to occur. we know, by now! [09:28] hahaha [09:28] it's even back by now, too! === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:53] anybody else have problems with kmail/akregator/kontact hangs after recent edgy updates? [09:53] it seems lots of kio_http/kio_file processes are hanging around (more than I have seen before) [09:53] hrm not i and i usaly ahve all those opne most of the time === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] havent noticed akregator hanging, i dont use the others [09:54] imbrandon: kmail hangs on first Check Mail (IMAP) and akregator on reading like 10 posts or so [09:55] hrm strange , yea i have lots of akre feeds and also use imap [09:55] imbrandon: maybe it is due to CrossOverOffice I installed yesterday ;- [09:55] heh i also have crossover installed [09:55] edgy ? [09:56] edgy yes [09:57] it looks I will have to boot in dapper to do my work and then look into this in the evening when back home :-( === Lure got used to purple and have dull dapper blue ;-) [09:57] Lure: heh [09:58] yeah, the purple is pretty :) [09:59] it looks like kded is at fault - two of them get spawning all the time and using 50% of CPU each... [10:01] yep, that was it - killing kded helped kontact to get alive === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:36] heya ! [10:36] imbrandon: still ready to upload universe/multiverse for me ? [10:36] sure give me one sec [10:36] flashplayer-nonfree package is failing on edgy, I fixed it last night [10:37] kk shoot me a url [10:37] imbrandon the package is very small, email possible ? [10:37] sure [10:37] which one ? [10:37] imbrandon@kubuntu.org [10:38] sent, you should get it in a minute [10:39] kk i'ma grab a soda, brb [10:39] Riddell: ping [10:39] Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/sime-patches-v2/ <---- both debdiffs ready [10:43] Tonio_: got it, one sec i'll have it uploaded [10:44] imbrandon sure :) [10:44] I'm very astonished nobody fixed it before.... [10:45] maybe because firefox now installs automatically flash in the user's profile, so most people don't need the package... [10:45] maybe ;) [10:45] but it is still the only way to do it for other browsers too [10:50] uploaded , waiting on accept message [10:53] Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004211.html [10:57] imbrandon: thanks, looks good [10:59] Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. [10:59] 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file kioslave/media/libmediacommon/notifieraction.h.rej [10:59] or not [11:00] hah [11:00] heh damn [11:01] wth [11:02] whats that mean ? heh i just did debdiff *.dsc > blah.diff [11:03] Hobbsee: what you finishing the merges tonight while you wait on amarok ;) === imbrandon watches the -changes list go by [11:04] imbrandon: i'm avoiding my horrible maths assignment :P [11:04] ahh heh [11:04] you bugged me for 1.5 weeks about konversation and i fixed it heh now give me amarok ;) [11:06] imbrandon: it's sime's patch that doesn't apply [11:07] ouch not good ok hrm can you check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia the very bottom [11:07] imbrandon: that's what I've done, it still doesn't apply [11:07] ok [11:08] i'll check back with sime when he wakes [11:08] Sime: poke poke, what's your kdebase v2 patch made against? [11:08] imbrandon: only 1.5 weeks? and i cant do anything, if the permissions on where the amarok is uploaded to are buggered [11:09] i think it was against the dapper 3.5.4 now that io think about it ( not mine , his ) [11:09] s/io/i [11:09] i rember him saying something about he was still on dapper [11:10] oh bah, it's just getting confused on some encoding issue with the accent in kevin's name [11:10] now if only emacs would let me edit patches [11:10] yup infact http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101636 <-- sime says there he is on dapper 3.5.4 [11:10] KDE bug 101636 in sidebar "All icons in the services sidebar become folders when pressing plus sign" [Normal,New] [11:10] emacs ? [11:10] haha [11:10] vim ftw ;) [11:11] actual i dident apply that patch , foo [11:12] if you get emacs to coperate can you add that one too Riddell ( http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=17238&action=view ) [11:12] it closes kde bug 101636 [11:12] KDE bug 101636 in sidebar "All icons in the services sidebar become folders when pressing plus sign" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101636 [11:13] its just a one liner [11:13] now to add the .hidden file to k-d-s [11:14] imbrandon: what's the bug number for that? [11:14] oh, you said [11:16] just the kinda spam i need at 4am "Subject: Claim the hottest new Pink Phone" [11:16] lol === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] hah [11:19] imbrandon: but who *doesnt* want a pink phone? [11:19] heh [11:23] hrm Riddell where is it looking for file:///home , do you know the error i'm talking about ? [11:24] Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss2.png [11:27] imbrandon: didn't tonio remove that from the sidebar yesterday? [11:28] umm i dunno, i got all the updates as of yet [11:28] what did he remove system:/ ? [11:28] Riddell: should be removed for new profiles [11:28] but the desktop file exists in the existing profiles [11:29] imbrandon find ~/ | grep sidebar | grep system [11:29] imbrandon shoot that file [11:29] Riddell: I can eventually remove that file within startkde, but as it'll work for new installations, I wonder if that'ss necessary..... [11:30] imbrandon the point is that kde copies those files for /usr/share [11:30] I removed the installation of that file, so kde cannot copy it anymore [11:30] what one [11:30] /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/webbrowsing/entries/system.desktop [11:30] /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services/printsystem.desktop [11:30] /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/filemanagement/entries/system.desktop [11:31] the point is that if the file already exists in your profile, I can't touch that with a package, except the login script eventually [11:31] this one /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/filemanagement/entries/system.desktop [11:31] k [11:31] ;) [11:31] and this too/home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/webbrowsing/entries/system.desktop [11:31] then killall konqueror (to remove the prelod process too) and restart [11:31] should work === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] imbrandon: let me know if that fails [11:33] ahh now i have no system tab [11:33] umm well how am i supose to nav the tree heh === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:34] ahh nvm [11:35] Sime: ping , i'm not getting this .hidden to work [11:36] ahhh nvm [11:36] sweet [11:49] Riddell, ping [11:49] hi el [11:49] hi Riddell [11:49] i just wanted to restart hwdb to go through it once more [11:49] imbrandon: kdelibs and kdebase updated [11:49] but it shows the send screen. how can i reset it? [11:49] el: that'll be a usability issue :) [11:49] el: rm ~/.hwdb [11:50] el: I do plan to add a "rerun" button, as well as "back" buttons [11:50] sweet i'm looking at the .hidden files for kds now [11:50] Riddell, ok [11:50] imbrandon: what does that do [11:50] el: edgy upgrade smooth? [11:50] Riddell, how does the user start hwdb? does it pop up itself? [11:50] best way is to show you a screen shot , one sec [11:50] el: menu entry [11:50] Riddell, i did it on another computer. didn't want to mess up my working machine.. ;-) [11:50] Riddell, ok [11:51] hey el! [11:51] hi Hobbsee :) [11:51] el: it doesnt seem to kill anything [11:52] hehe, Hobbsee, now i also know that [11:52] el: the idea behind the hwdb UI is to have it looking fancy enough that the user stays interested and doesn't get bored half way through [11:52] Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/kio_file_integration.png <-- to make those patches actualy /do/ what they are intended [11:52] i have it working on my box [11:52] Hobbsee, the upgrade was really smooth on the other machine [11:52] el: the gnome version uses a canvas with fading and stuff, which means it has a static layout and no i18n, it's quite evil [11:52] el: nice. i'm surprised :) [11:53] imbrandon: I think the .hidden file should be added to kdebase then, it's not optional [11:53] Riddell: ok heh lemme work on that [11:53] lemme show you how i have it on mine ..... one sec [11:53] Riddell, so it has to be a "fun" application... hm, i'll think of that when going through it [11:54] Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss12.png [11:54] el: yes [11:54] imbrandon: what am I looking at? [11:55] can i also reduce the folder tabs like in simes screenshots [11:55] partly what Tonio_ started with system [11:56] see he has the 4 essential ones , everything else is covered with the patches and the .hidden [11:57] imbrandon: sure [11:57] ok cool , i'll start that now then , heh looks like a update to kdebase 2 times in ~12 hours lol [11:59] it's healthy to keep the buildds busy [12:00] ;) [12:00] indeed. [12:00] well i need to wait anyhow so i can grab the current kdebase to diff against [12:00] heh [12:00] Riddell: must be time to rebuild the entire kde universe again then :P [12:00] haha [12:01] actualy this will make four to kdebase in ~24 hours [12:01] ;) [12:01] and kontact crashes again ...... [12:01] grrr [12:02] hah [12:02] imbrandon: ktorrent stuff in your email [12:02] a changelog ?!?! [12:02] pwease ? [12:04] imbrandon: not quite a changelog - but the svn commits [12:04] ahh yessss a changelog without having to dig through svn commits [12:04] ;) [12:04] Tonio_: did you send a kio-locate UVF exception request? [12:04] yea but __I__ dident have to do it Hobbsee , thats the good part ;) [12:04] imbrandon: true that :) [12:05] imbrandon: thank asimon sometime :P [12:05] i will trust me /me writes up a quick uvf [12:11] Riddell: is mdz or kamoin there with you guys ? [12:12] imbrandon: they are both in this room [12:12] can you poke one of them to malone 57219 [12:12] Malone bug 57219 in ktorrent "uvf exception request ktorrent 2.0 -> 2.0.1" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57219 [12:13] please [12:13] imbrandon: e-mail is best for UVF exception requests [12:13] I'll poke them [12:13] Riddell: yes I sent uvfe, but it still needs aproval [12:13] k [12:13] Tonio_: I can't seem to find it, was it an e-mail? [12:14] Riddell: nope, let me search [12:14] Riddell: bug 56940 [12:14] Malone bug 56940 in kio-locate "0.4.4 > 0.4.5 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56940 [12:15] I'll poke with that too [12:15] Riddell: I didn't email mdz but subscribed ubuntu-release group as required [12:17] heh is pitti gonna get to the inclusionreports this week ? [12:18] no idea [12:20] Riddell: have you seen that nasty bug ? [12:21] bug 57170 [12:21] Malone bug 57170 in kdebase "optical medias are invisible with kde 3.5.4 on edgy" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57170 [12:21] it is edgy specific since no pb with 3.5.4 on dapper and is almost critical [12:22] hrm i hadent noticed that one, /me grabs a cd to test [12:22] nope [12:22] does it appear in media:/ ? [12:23] Riddell: nope, nore on the desktop and the action window neither === seaLne can see his cds [12:23] hrm strange i just put a superman cd in and worked fine [12:23] hu ? [12:23] seaLne: edgy ? [12:23] yep [12:23] http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss13.png [12:23] yup edgy [12:23] seaLne: can you try with a new profile maybe [12:24] I suspect a configuration issue [12:24] danimo confirmed it failed for him too [12:24] Tonio_: ok give me a few min [12:24] seaLne: sure [12:24] Riddell: I must say my cd is scd0 (sata one) maybe that can explain [12:24] yea the icon and window pop up [12:25] but it worked with 3.5.4 on dapper [12:25] Tonio_: strangely (with my normal account) i can't eject [12:25] imbrandon testing on a fresh profile would be nice [12:26] Tonio_: sure give me 5 seconds to make a new user [12:26] I had the problem and I reinstalled to get the same issue [12:26] I have lots of issues that others don't seem to have, like katapult that doesn't work here (confirmed by toma) [12:27] Tonio_: clean profile pops up and behaves fine, this needs upgraded a bit it was off for the last few days which may be an interesting test [12:28] seaLne: hum.......... [12:28] why did danimo had the issue too ? [12:28] I will ask him if he has sata or not [12:28] yea brand new uesr and new profile works great [12:29] I don't understand, I'm just testing here, with a default knot1 installation, and it simply fails [12:29] knot1 and not updated ? [12:29] imbrandon nope, up to date [12:29] imbrandon, Riddell : are you guys happy? or do I need to help with anything? [12:29] is the media your using good ? [12:29] I mean, this isn't an upgrated dapper [12:29] imbrandon I tested about 10 cds ;) [12:29] and yes they are good [12:29] k [12:30] jusat checkin [12:30] the point is I'm apparently not the only one, since danimo could confirm... [12:30] Sime: it's all sorted [12:30] Sime: nope had a little hickup applying a patch but looks good [12:31] Riddell: can you give me a diff of your kde base against ubuntu8 so i dont have to wait on the buildd's [12:31] cool. [12:32] my patching technique is a bit dodgy since I've been working on a "apt-get source"ed copy of kde. [12:32] Sime: thats what we use ;) [12:32] so there were other things mixed in which I cut out of the diff. seems ok now. [12:33] yeah, I wanted the edgy version kde. but diffing got messy [12:33] heheh [12:33] they seemed to apply fine to edgy sources [12:34] if you came across any problems, issues or things that don't work quite right, then add that info to the wiki. [12:34] k [12:34] ohh [12:34] the .hidden dosent seem to [12:34] oh, and plug as much stuff into you comptuer as possible. usb-pens, cameras etc [12:34] support secondary dirs [12:34] .hidden not working? [12:34] no it works [12:35] but say i want to hide /media/cdrom0 [12:35] Tonio_: I told you that using 'Defaults' in config dialogs ignores Kubuntu settings. Looks like Helio right now fixed it for Controlcenter in 3.5 Branch :) [12:35] allee ah ? it uses kde settings ? nasty.......; [12:35] allee reported a bug concerning this ? [12:36] imbrandon: ok, I have only tested it in /. [12:36] imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-ubuntu9.debdiff [12:36] hehe yea i tried that earlier i put media/cdrom0 in the /.hidden file and it dident like it [12:36] Sime: ^^ [12:36] Tonio_: no. Looks like every kcm module has to be touched for it. Helio commited dozend of changes [12:36] imbrandon: /media/cdrom is a bit tricky. If you delete the cdrom link and dir, and let pmount handle taht for you like removable media, then it kind of workss in a more nice way. [12:36] allee maybe we can backport the diff as a patch, shouldn't we ? [12:36] argh, indeed [12:37] imbrandon: just put the file/dir name, not the path. [12:37] Riddell: isn't that too late for dozensof patches ? [12:37] imbrandon: lots of autotools changes, probably because I made it on dapper [12:37] Tonio_: well, I've a fan of syncing with 3.5 branch not too late in release cycle [12:37] Tonio_: like what? [12:37] imbrandon: and the .hidden file should be in the same dir as the files you want to hide. [12:37] imbrandon: .hidden is per dir. [12:37] Sime: hmm, in / ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:37] ahh soo /media would need one [12:37] ok [12:37] imbrandon: yes [12:38] hmmmm [12:38] Riddell: yea .hidden go's in / === allee always wonder why anything is work in KDE when reading the list of 3.5 branch fixes ;) [12:38] imbrandon: the .hidden for / goes in /. [12:38] Riddell: for the kcm modules changes [12:38] that might not match with debian-policy and LSB [12:38] Sime: actualy could we put that in the normal kde configs dir [12:38] Riddell: looks pretty important, but it looks like the changes are bug [12:38] Riddell: yea i was just thinking that [12:38] s/bug/big [12:39] Hobbsee: ping ? [12:39] imbrandon: I guess that is possible. [12:39] and just make one .hidden file that honours paths [12:39] imbrandon, Riddell : can you guys write on the wiki what you would like to see, and I'll see waht I can do. [12:39] sure [12:40] Riddell: i'll hold off on adding that to kdebase then till sime looks it over [12:40] Riddell: I can understand that debian policy and ubuntu might have a problem with some of this stuff. [12:40] well actualy if it was in /etc/ it would work then gnome could use it too as said on you blog [12:41] and it IS a config [12:41] I guess that the /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0 links and dir are there for a reason and can't be removed. [12:41] imbrandon: gnome *does* respect .hidden already. [12:41] in / ? [12:42] yep [12:42] hrm [12:42] the .hidden "idea" is from Mac OS X. [12:42] Riddell: where would we chekup on things like this to make sure they are "ok" [12:42] nautilus supports it. [12:42] yea i love osx ways ;) [12:42] it's a hack, but useful. [12:43] Tonio_: still works fine in fully up to date edgy [12:43] imbrandon: can you eject your cds by right clicking? [12:44] Riddell: couldent we get away with putting it kds then since gnome support it and it /is/ kubuntu specific ie what folders we hide/show [12:44] by default [12:44] Tonio_: i get "media:/hdc cannot be found" on right click eject or unmount [12:44] and kdebase will function without it [12:45] same here [12:45] but i think simes new patch takes care of that [12:46] imbrandon: of eject? [12:46] yea becouse it deals with how media:/ is supported [12:47] ok, just checking we were talking about the same thing :) [12:47] seaLne: I think I've fixed that already (last weekend) [12:47] imbrandon: I'll talk to people familiar with debian-policy [12:48] yea Riddell the more i think of it .hidden should go in kds since konqui/kdebase will work without it but not be all bling blaing like we want [12:48] you could well be right [12:48] then since its its kubuntu specific i think it will be ok to shove in / or anywhere else ;) [12:49] Riddell: if you are doing that could you ask about Bug #56970 aswell [12:49] Malone bug 56970 in k3b "K3B should be moved to KDE from "otherosfs"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/56970 === seaLne notices [12:51] Francesco Pedrini is packaging new kmobiletools for debian [12:51] seaLne: changing that to kde seems sensible to me, send mea debdiff, it's set in Section: otherosfs [12:52] not that Sections are really important these days, if they ever were [12:52] it's set in debian/control rather [12:52] yeah, the reason i wondered was that cdrecord and other related stuff is in there aswell [12:53] that's fair enough, but the frontend doesn't need to be [12:53] k [12:56] ahh CC meeting today ;) hopefully it wont be a all out slugfest like the last one [01:01] Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/tmp/k3b/ [01:04] seaLne: sections are lower case, uploaded with s/KDE/kde/, thaks === Riddell lunches [01:04] k [01:04] good idea, me gets food too [01:04] seaLne: I'll investigate, but that's a bit strange I must say.... [01:05] my drives are all ide btw [01:05] seaLne: we need to wait informations from danimo [01:07] seaLne: concerning katapult [01:07] does it work for you ? [01:07] a few people people reported it fails and I also have the issue [01:07] alt + space doesn't produced anything and even with changing the shortcut that doesn't work [01:09] Tonio_: pong, in a bit. [01:09] Tonio_: works on 0:0 does random things on 0:1 [01:10] Tonio_: i'll re-pong - dishes here === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:11] Hobbsee: yes I noticed you are a "contact" for kdebase bugs [01:11] Tonio_: um, yes? [01:11] I didn't found the way to subscribe as a contact to get noticed for all bugs [01:12] how can you do this ? [01:12] Tonio_: ahhh. bugmail settings [01:12] Hobbsee: where is that ? [01:12] Tonio_: let me grab it... [01:13] Tonio_: it's under "report a bug" on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase [01:13] hit "i want to recieve all bugmail for $packagename" === Hobbsee does that for all of kdebase, kdelibs, kubuntu-meta and some other packages as well [01:13] helps with the bug control, to know what's happening [01:15] Hobbsee: thanks, I missed this function [01:15] honnestly, malone is a great bts [01:16] Hobbsee: thanks for the tip [01:19] Tonio_: no problem [01:19] Tonio_: indeed, it is [01:22] isn't that equivalant to reading kubuntu-bugs? [01:23] pretty much ;) [01:23] except you get the mail twice now :) [01:23] seaLne: lol [01:25] seaLne: mailing lists are evil though :P [01:27] just because they don't like you :) [01:28] seaLne: i got them to work :D [01:28] seaLne: they're probably very smart. with not liking me at all [01:28] cant see why things/people would like me when i boss them around, after all :P [01:34] yay @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/57235 [01:34] Malone bug 57235 in kubuntu-meta "The Kubuntu CD should have a sampling of whole of KDE" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [01:44] ? [01:44] whole KDE? [01:44] that means "official" KDE set of application or all kde-related? ] ;= [01:44] all of kde wouldent fit on to the cd nor is in main [01:45] kubuntu != official kde ;) [01:45] yeah [01:45] reject reject reject [01:45] I don't understand those guys........; [01:45] if you want everything, grabs debian dvds.....; [01:45] exactly [01:45] imbrandon: error: unknown error: don't know how to reject reject reject, see reject help [01:45] I want kubuntu, but with the specifics of debian, the content of fedora, the advantages of mandriva, freely, on a 700 MB cd [01:46] by advance thanks ! [01:46] pfffffffff, stupid [01:46] Tonio_: you forgot "kthxbye" [01:46] ;) [01:46] probably better including knetworkmanager on the cd ;) [01:46] Tonio_: where's gentoo? [01:46] that has to be done [01:46] Tm_T: gentoo sucks, so I don't include it ;) [01:46] haha [01:47] my new nick [01:47] ;) [01:47] brb afk a hour or two for food [01:47] no honnestly, I don't include tonio because it is not intended to be used by the masses [01:47] it's target is more slack's one than ubuntu's ;) [01:48] tonio is intented to use by who? [01:48] I donr't include GENTOO [01:48] ;) === Tonio_ urgently take 3 coffees [01:48] Tonio_: have more coffee, I pay ;) [01:48] hehe [01:48] feel free to reject it :P [01:48] 3 hours sleeping last night.... that may explain [01:49] my second day in work, I'm exhausted [01:49] it's hard to do something almost 4 hours active [01:50] as we would answer to that bug "and why not 20 euros and a TWIX with it hu ???" ^_^ [01:50] that's french expression hehe [01:50] hehe === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] imbrandon danimo has an ide cdrom [01:54] weird........ === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] Tonio_: it would be interesting to see if you had the problem with an ide drive, laptop or desktop? [02:06] seaLne: I will replug my dekstop in 2 weeks, not before [02:07] it does sound like a strange and hard to diagnose problem :( [02:08] el: thanks for the hwdb feedback, I'll get onto that once I've done your power manager changes [02:09] (which won't be until next week at the earliest) [02:13] Hobbsee: "Re: Kopete 0.12.2 UVF exception request" "Looks good" [02:14] Riddell: yay! :) [02:15] :) [02:15] Riddell: i warn you now, i'm probably looking for an uploader [02:15] Hobbsee: =) [02:15] Hobbsee: sure [02:15] Hobbsee: if you can wait until saturday, ping me eventually [02:16] I may have my key back then [02:16] i still have to fix it frist [02:16] hehe [02:17] Hobbsee: what's wrong with it? [02:17] Riddell: not kopete [02:18] Riddell: xine-lib, actually [02:18] oh? === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:18] doesnt play m4b files [02:18] Hobbsee: is kopete 0.12.2 ready to upload? [02:18] Riddell: afaik, yes [02:18] Hobbsee: where is it? [02:19] Riddell: kopete 0.12.2? === Hobbsee looks [02:19] i dotn remmber now :P [02:20] Riddell: i would think it's at http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ [02:20] i dont know of anywhere else where i'm hiding it === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] oh yes...now i'm remembering that package [02:20] Riddell: were you going to take the debdiff, or the source? === Riddell finds it on http://www.buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ [02:20] it's a new version, can't do debdiff [02:20] yep [02:20] true that [02:20] source is there too :) [02:21] btw amarok 1.4.2 is released [02:21] Tm_T: yeah, but they chmod' the directory wrong, so no one can get to it. [02:21] =) [02:21] what? [02:22] 15:19 < markey> http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/nightly-builds/1.4.2/ [02:22] this one? [02:22] Riddell: new ktorrent available, bugfixes release [02:22] Tonio_: 2.0.1? [02:23] Riddell: interested in a uvf exception ? [02:23] yes [02:23] Tonio_: imbrandon did that [02:23] Riddell: ah great [02:23] we're requested a uvf exception [02:23] he is indeed great [02:23] ;) [02:23] but so's nixternal, he made me a cool hackergotchi [02:24] Riddell: the point is that the "active team" is growing up quickly ;) [02:24] that's cool [02:24] Tm_T: ah, not that one :) [02:24] Tonio_: indeed. it's very cool :) [02:24] Riddell: is kwwii supposed to connect today ? I would appreciate to discuss about the team, and his plans reguarding to this [02:26] he's gone out for a smoke [02:27] Hobbsee: why does koete suggest gnupg anyway? [02:27] encrypted chat? [02:27] yes [02:27] Riddell: encrypted chat, i think [02:28] cryptic talk, monk latin ;) [02:28] I'm out for one hour or two [02:28] nifty [02:28] need to go in the supermarket with mommy [02:28] =) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:37] Riddell, it's quite a lot. should i add priorities to show which are the important ones? [02:39] el: sure [02:39] ok === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.43.206] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ^osh^ [n=osh@81-229-112-185-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] abattoir_: hi [02:41] *sod* [02:41] why do i like goign and randomly deleting things? [02:41] Tm_T: hello :) === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] heya kwwii_ [02:49] pity Tonio_ is afk now [02:50] Riddell: ping [02:50] moins kwwii_ [02:50] not still [02:50] but in 5 minutes yes [02:50] monring imbrandon_ [02:51] heya jjesse [02:51] heya kwwii_ :) [02:51] Hobbsee: what ya delete now ? [02:51] kwwii_: got 5 minutes or not ? [02:51] imbrandon: just an .orig.tar.gz [02:51] lol === imbrandon wispers amarok 1.4.2 [02:52] imbrandon: hi [02:52] imbrandon: no, wasnt that. was xine-lib [02:52] kwwii_: looks like no, so seya in a few hours :) [02:53] heheh [02:53] Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/ktorrent.debdiff ready to go [02:53] approved? [02:53] yup [02:53] and noted so in the changelog [02:54] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57219 [02:54] Malone bug 57219 in ktorrent "uvf exception request ktorrent 2.0 -> 2.0.1" [Untriaged,Confirmed] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] Tonio_: hi [02:58] Tonio_: sorry, I just checked irc :-) [02:58] imbrandon: I need the .orig .diff and .dsc for ktorrent [02:58] Tonio_: how can I be of help? [02:58] Riddell: sure one sec lemme upload === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] heya [03:02] Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/ there ya go === danimo wonders why on his edgy-installation on the workstation, X.org is of version 7.1.1 and all drivers are of version 7.0.1 [03:02] has anyone seen that? [03:04] !package [03:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:04] both look to be 7.0.2 to me [03:04] brandon@voyager:~$ apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-video-all [03:04] xserver-xorg-video-all | 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Packages [03:04] xorg | 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Sources [03:04] err 7.0.22 [03:05] !info xorg edgy [03:05] xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB [03:05] !info xserver-xorg-video-all edgy [03:05] xserver-xorg-video-all: the X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB [03:05] imbrandon: try xdpyinfo | grep version [03:05] imbrandon: yes, that's what I have. but I get an ABI missmatch [03:05] danimo: nvidia? [03:06] Riddell: no, anything BUT nvidia [03:06] Riddell: that's the most interesting thing [03:06] brandon@voyager:~$ xdpyinfo | grep version === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@59.92.65.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] version number: 11.0 [03:06] X.Org version: 7.1.1 [03:06] plus the nvidia driver is buggy === seaLne has just found why his machine appears to freeze, kicker goes into some sort of loop trying to open /usr/share/X11/locale/common/xlcUTF-8.so.2 which dosent exist [03:07] whatever that is [03:07] bug 49901 can be closed... right? Is a complaint about katapult running slower than usual while amarok is adding music to it's database (which is cpu intensive, which explains the problem)... nobody has replied since 06-21 [03:07] Malone bug 49901 in katapult "Katapult slows down to a near crawl when amarok is open" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/49901 [03:07] module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1) [03:08] drives me nuts [03:08] heh [03:08] ryanakca: yea i would say so [03:10] imbrandon: any clue? [03:10] no idea , unless something ftbs [03:10] on the buildd's [03:10] ftbs? [03:11] faild to build from source [03:11] danimo: dapper? [03:11] but seeing as the packages have the same version number i'm kinda baffled tbh [03:12] edgy [03:12] afk brbv [03:12] -v [03:14] Tonio_: ping, do you have the kio-locate .orig? [03:14] and diff and stuff [03:15] hehe thats the new name for the upload sets "diff's n stuff's" hehehe just teasin ;) [03:15] whoop i guess that means not right now .... [03:16] kdelibs build failed due to new media patch :-( [03:17] http://librarian.launchpad.net/3971835/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kdelibs_4%3A3.5.4-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:17] gah /me looks [03:17] kwwii_: hi :) [03:17] same with kubuntu-default-settings: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3977430/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kubuntu-default-settings_1%3A6.10-14_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:17] :-( [03:17] bah [03:18] make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/xine-lib-1.1.2' [03:18] cd . && /bin/bash /root/xine/new/main/xine-lib-1.1.2/missing --run aclocal-1.9 -I m4 [03:18] /bin/bash: /root/xine/new/main/xine-lib-1.1.2/missing: No such file or directory [03:18] oh dear. [03:18] gah it dident apply the patch again [03:18] Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_57_nomediaioslave_fileio.diff at level 1...0...2...failure. [03:18] make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1 [03:18] is that some of the funny char stuff you was talking about ?> [03:20] hmm, it applied for me [03:20] i wish it was more verbose when it dosent apply [03:20] them ;( [03:21] gah phone bbiab [03:21] oh, for some reason there is xserver-xorg-driver* and xserver-oxrg-video* [03:24] imbrandon: the error is in the debian/patches/ directory [03:25] but the nvidia propritary driver is unusable at this point [03:26] yea the nvidia binary drivers ( and ati afaik ) dont work with xorg 7.1 yet [03:26] Riddell: yea i know, its with the last patch but i just dunno WHY it dident apply hehe [03:26] food time then i'll see if i can figure it out [03:28] can I close all the old bugs (1.5 months and over ) that no one has replied to and that don't seem to be a problem now (on edgy)? [03:28] ryanakca: yep [03:28] imbrandon: patch errors give log files in debian/patches [03:28] ryanakca: i usually mark them as rejected w/ a nice comment about how there has been no response and you are closing the bug due to that [03:29] ryanakca: add that they are welcome to re-open if they can stuff reproduce in current edgy [03:29] Riddell: ahh nice ok, cool dident realize that, will look after food [03:29] jjesse: or if it just isn't a problem anymore, "Fix Released"? [03:29] Riddell: kk [03:30] sigh. this package is being painful. === Hobbsee tries to see if the package in the repos currently will ftbfs as well. === Tm_T uses sisters laptop as edgy testground ] ;= [03:44] imbrandon: kdelibs fail was just me being silly === My8os [n=My8os@ppp142-111.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [03:45] Riddell: but you're suppposed to be perfect, surely? :P [03:45] sir Riddell is === Tm_T hides === Hobbsee notes the increase in email, due to ryanakca :) [03:47] it must be bugday, or close to it [03:48] Hobbsee: lol [03:48] hehe === ryanakca works harder on triaging so that Hobbsee's inbox is filled with more junk mail [03:48] I need apartment :( [03:49] ryanakca: haha [03:49] Tm_T: why don't you do what some guy did... trade from a little red paper clip all the way up to a house [03:54] nah [03:54] ryanakca: you mean build a house by using paperclips ? [03:54] you have any idea how cold it is here in finland during long dark winter? [03:55] Tm_T: no... he traded a paperclip for a pen for a door nob for a coleman stove, etc http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/ [03:55] nah [03:55] Tm_T: can it be any colder than -40'C? [03:55] ryanakca: sure [03:56] sweet === ryanakca loves cold [03:56] in normal winter we play ice hockey out there and it's only -25'C ;) [03:57] or something, I can't play hockey anymore :( [03:57] Hobbsee: of course I am, it's a bug in patch that it can't apply already applied patches [03:57] Riddell: hah [03:57] Riddell: yeah, right === Hobbsee is still trying to figure otu what the heck is borking here. [03:58] Hobbsee: want me to look at it? [03:58] Riddell: give me ~5 or so mins, then yeah === Hobbsee is trying it rebuilding, and will see what on earth is wrong [03:59] Can kde apps use the upstream .pot/.po ? (It was included in the source's po/ ) === Mez [i=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:00] ryanakca: of course [04:01] Riddell: kk, ty === samjnaa [n=samjnaa@59.92.32.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jamadagni [n=jamadagn@59.92.32.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jamadagni [n=jamadagn@59.92.32.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] APPLYING PATCH: automake.diff [04:07] ah ha.... === jamadagni [n=jamadagn@59.92.32.73] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [04:07] Riddell: what would I put in cdbs debian/rules for a premade .pot... I found the part on creating one... just not using a premade one.. === Hobbsee wonders where the heck that has come from, and what it is doing. [04:08] ryanakca: nothing, it'll get picked up automatically by the buildds [04:08] ryanakca: is it in po/ ? [04:08] Riddell: love the hat :D === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] Mez: I still have no idea which photo nixternal took it from [04:10] hehe [04:10] it is hidden in your pictures section of your website [04:10] Riddell: at least you've finally got a hackergotchi [04:11] I believe the people at Novell made mine :D [04:11] hey Mez [04:12] hey sarah === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] is there any sane reason why there would be a diff in the source dir? ie, not in the debian/ dir? [04:16] Hobbsee: you can put your source changes outside debian/ it's just considered bad practice these days and is very hard to maintai [04:16] maintain [04:16] Riddell: whats the status on hct atm ? [04:16] Riddell: right..... [04:17] Mez: not changed as far as I know [04:17] Mez: see the NoMoreSourcePackages spec though [04:17] hct? [04:18] No feature specifications match your criteria] [04:18] my criteria? [04:22] nvm [04:27] Riddell: whinge. i give up :P [04:28] me too, debtags is weird === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] Riddell: want to help me out please? [04:29] Riddell: i want to add the contents of the patch in http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/xine-lib.debdiff [04:31] Heya [04:31] Hi Hobbsee [04:31] hey bddebian [04:34] Hobbsee, whats the problem with adding the patch ? [04:34] what the heck is m4b? [04:35] aac apparently [04:35] Mez: it screws with automake, etc, and makes the package not build. [04:35] Riddell: think along the lines of mp3, m4a, etc [04:35] that patch is from kde bugs, pretty much [04:35] what's m4a? [04:35] 1 less than m4b? [04:36] haha === bddebian hides [04:36] Hah [04:36] another file type? [04:36] Riddell: back, yep, it po/ === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] m4a is an audio file type similar to mp3 [04:37] m4a is the given/used name for mpeg 4 files === ^osh^_ [n=osh@81-229-112-185-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] Riddell: ther'es a bug # if you want it === Hobbsee dies quietly in the corner === ryanakca takes Hobbsee's pointy stick and starts poking people! muahahaha === Hobbsee gets out her whip and uses it on ryanakca. you leave my long pointy stick alone, and get back to bugsquashing. [04:39] :P === Hobbsee puts her whip back in her back pocket for safe keeping. that always seems to come in handy... === __osh___ [n=osh@81-229-112-185-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] Whip? === Mez ponders [04:40] Mez: what are you pondering? [04:40] Mez: it's useful to make people behave :P === ryanakca uses his photon death ray on Hobbsee [04:42] (hey... i'm not very imaginative... give me a break :P ) === Hobbsee shines a very powerful green laser into ryanakca's eyes. === Hobbsee is getting a degree in them, after all :P [04:43] you want to be an optician? [04:43] imbrandon: ping? [04:44] pong [04:44] oooh... green! [04:44] seaLne: optoelectronics, not optics to do with eyes [04:44] you package kflickr yet? [04:44] yup and uploaded [04:44] you sleep too long ;) [04:44] k..i was gonna do it if you hadn't...gotta run to the gym...bbiab [04:44] l8tr [04:44] what's optoelectronics? [04:44] LEDs [04:45] light emitting via glass...LEDs, Fiber Optics [04:45] OLED [04:45] stuff like that..ok bbiab now for sure ;) [04:46] Riddell: yeah. that stuff. check wikipedia :) === Hobbsee hugs Riddell for the 20 billionth person to ask that question. [04:47] Hobbsee: xine seems to be compiling for me [04:47] Riddell: even with that patch, etc, in? [04:47] yes [04:47] Riddell: cool. can you upload it for me then please? :P [04:48] I'll let it finish compiling, then sure [04:48] Riddell: thankyou :) [04:48] actually, not being able to upload to main is not *that* much of an inconvenience. [04:48] amarok people will be happy :) [04:48] universe was more of the problem, just due to sheer number === Hobbsee bugs allee === allee shudders [04:49] any suggestions on how to check if a specific model of ati graphics card is supported, the family is listed in the man page [04:49] allee: did you see my message a couple of days ago? :) === allee relaxes [04:49] Hobbsee: no === allee at least does not remember [04:49] allee: right. knemo in debian has a dependancy of kdelibs-bin, does it not? [04:51] Hobbsee: yes: control:Depends: kdelibs-bin, kicker, net-tools, ${shlibs:Depends} [04:51] allee: kdelibs-bin is not in debian unstable? === Hobbsee could not properly research this, as she's not running debian. [04:51] forgot about checking the ftp site though === Hobbsee is lazy, like that [04:52] Hobbsee: ah, right. I remember something like this. === allee has no sid too ;) [04:52] chroots are your friend ;) [04:52] config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in [04:52] Hobbsee: ho hum [04:52] allee: happened in edgy, that's why. according to p.d.o, unstable has no kdelibs-bin. now, assuming kdelibs-bin also got merged into kdelibs4c2a, you need to remove kdelibs-bin from debian unstable as well. which means that i can sync knemo :) [04:53] Riddell: yeah, exactly. [04:53] Riddell: yet without my patch, it builds just fine. [04:53] imbrandon: yeap chroot I have ;) [04:53] ;) [04:53] brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c sid -d [04:53] I: [sid chroot] Running shell: /bin/bash [04:53] (debian_sid)brandon@voyager:~$ [04:54] ;) [04:56] ack. my earlier statement didnt make sense. === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:00] g'morning [05:00] hey yuriy [05:01] kwwii: i gave glossiness another shot === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] all kde apps must have a man page included in packaging? [05:02] ryanakca: yep [05:02] woot! i got paid! [05:02] kwwii: i think i overdid it though https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEGuidanceWineSpec/KdeGuidanceWineProgress [05:02] lol === ryanakca thinks Hobbsee is really really generous *hopeful grin* [05:03] ryanakca: hah. [05:03] my aussie money wouldnt be worth much to you === Hobbsee needs it for things like petrol, anyway :P [05:04] and phone credit [05:04] hmmm... AUD = 0.850493 CAD .... still worth it :) [05:04] yuriy: looks much better though [05:05] Hobbsee: paid? Is this unusual behaviour when one has a job in down under? :) [05:05] allee: hehe. sometimes it feels like it. [05:05] gas... I remember a while back it was 60 a litre... and we would have found 90 outrageously expensive... now we consider it cheap [05:05] allee: they pay me on a tuesday night, which kinda sucks. especially when i want the money for petrol on tuesday morning :P [05:06] Hobbsee: buy a bike ;) [05:06] Hobbsee: how far's your Uni and job away? [05:06] allee: cant ride one :P [05:06] allee: job is about 10 mins, uni is 20-25, up to 45 === Hobbsee got there in 15 mins actually. === Hobbsee looks around for any police [05:07] i think i was speeding....a bit...or a lot... [05:07] lol [05:07] oh, oh! === ryanakca thinks we should rename this to #kubuntu-develandofftopic [05:08] allee: it's a bit too hilly for bikes around here. [05:08] allee: and completely unsafe [05:08] ryanakca: well.... [05:08] Hobbsee: as long as you drive car I can imagine [05:08] allee: hahahaha! === Hobbsee makes a note to run over allee when he's next in au. [05:09] allee: i've never crashed into anyone else. they've crashed into me, or i've had some close calls though [05:12] and it all went silent... === Hobbsee blames ryanakca [05:12] yeah! === Tm_T hides [05:13] lol... silent === Hobbsee contempltaes uni later today [05:13] i need to be on time to it :( === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.65.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] wb abattoir === ryanakca pulls out his pipes and plays "The Mucking of Geordie's Pyre" === Hobbsee FINGERS IN EARS!!! === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:14] Hobbsee: thanks... silly kwin... crashes when cpu reaches a 100% :( [05:14] ouchy [05:16] * control: remove Depends: kdelibs-bin. kdelibs-bin was merged into [05:16] kdelibs4c2a. kdelibs4c2a is added via ${shlibs:Depends}. Thx Hobbsee [05:16] for reminding me (again and again :). [05:17] allee: :D [05:17] allee: and now i can wait, and then sync it. === Hobbsee hugs allee [05:17] Hobbsee: I'll ask for a 0.4.4-2 upload [05:18] allee: in debian or ubuntu? [05:18] or both? [05:19] Hobbsee: mhh, I thought only debian and then sync to kubuntu. When I universe freeze? [05:19] s/I/is/ [05:19] allee: [05:19] allee: i'll take care of ubuntu if you want - MOM will show the updated version [05:19] sept 23 or something [05:19] Hobbsee: great === Hobbsee dreads the thought of edgy+1 MOM. === Hobbsee will likely have lots of packages with her name on them. [05:21] by this rate youll be co-cto by then and wont have to do them ;) [05:22] imbrandon: co-cto? [05:22] chief tech officer ( e. g. mdz's title ) === Hobbsee splutters [05:23] yeah right ;P [05:23] it was a joke ;) === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54A82627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] writing man pages is fun!!! [05:24] ryanakca: why do you think i dont put packages into NEW? :P [05:25] hmmm... dunno... why? :P [05:25] heh man pages arent tooo bad ;) [05:26] hehe :D stories of LRL are coming back to me [05:26] I need to find that picture of the Kubuntu CD display we set up in pizza hut [05:27] heh === Tonio_ [n=tonio@titoph.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:27] seaLne, I wonder if she actually went home and tried kubuntu ? [05:27] re [05:27] kwwii_: ping ? [05:28] who knows :) [05:28] Riddell: I FOUND IT ..... LOL [05:28] seaLne, I should go back and ask her :P [05:30] bug #57289 is really pissing me off, i havent been able to use my main machine for about 10 min now :( [05:30] Malone bug 57289 in kdebase "kicker & kwin sit in infinite loop using nearly 100% CPU" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57289 [05:30] imbrandon: what? [05:31] the pic nixternal used for the gotchi ;) [05:31] Riddell: http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-08-20-wgyf-liz-jonathan.jpg [05:31] well well, so it is [05:32] heh [05:36] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 << wannahave :) [05:37] Hobbsee: heh... I just figured it out... "kdemangen.pl /usr/bin/kdeapp" :) instant man page [05:37] oh wow, cool :) [05:38] Hobbsee: isn't it? :) === pounk [n=pounkf@fw2.cgpvicto.qc.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] I'm curious to know how the All Programmes works [05:40] woo. finally got thru level 6 of supertux :) [05:40] looks like a mix between slab and kbfx [05:40] hey danimo [05:40] i ahve been waiting for this from them for AGES [05:41] danimo: nice you're here to discuss that horrible bug... imbrandon doesn't any issue, nore seaLne [05:41] heya Tonio_ [05:41] Riddell: most likely how it works in slab with another window [05:41] danimo: that's a complete nonsense... [05:41] yeah [05:42] the point is that there is an issue, definitly... [05:42] yes [05:42] hahah infact it looks like they riped off the suse kbfx theme for that [05:42] hrm [05:42] Tonio_: but how to track it down? [05:42] danimo: dunno...... [05:42] imbrandon: well, there is a lot more code behind that [05:42] kde logs are not very easy to use [05:43] imbrandon: only the button is from kbfx [05:43] i would love to see that in action though [05:43] imbrandon: well, ask beineri for the code :) [05:43] the rest of the theme is too it looks like danimo [05:43] not sure if they will hand it out before they release it themselves, though [05:43] Riddell: any idea how to track that bug ? the "cd not visible in konq" [05:43] I must say I don't see any way to track this... [05:43] Tonio_: nope [05:43] danimo: would it not be in svn ? [05:43] imbrandon: well, point is kbfx is just a theme, this start menu has more semantics behind it [05:43] imbrandon: read the text, it's a development from the opensuse project [05:44] danimo: have you used the spinx kbfx ? [05:44] nope [05:44] danimo: who is responsible for this in kde ? [05:44] heh there is alot of code behind that too [05:44] Tonio_: aseigo [05:44] Riddell: well he doesn't look very respondive to my mails anyway ;) probably very buzy with kde4 [05:44] Tonio_: what? [05:45] danimo: the optical medias management [05:45] Tonio_: hi, did you need something from me [05:45] ? [05:45] kwwii_: yes [05:45] heya kwwii_ [05:45] kwwii_: I just noticed there is an evil bug on lipstik style : http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png [05:46] howdy danimo [05:46] kwwii_: I was wondering your plans concerning the kde style to use for edgy [05:46] ouch === Hobbsee notes that walking off a cliff in supertux is NOT COOL! [05:46] kwwii_: cause we eventually can switch to plastik, since they are very, very close [05:46] Tonio_: good question, no plans to changes things now, but perhaps if we can find something better it would be good [05:46] Hobbsee: walking off a cliff in RL isn't cool either :) [05:46] Riddell: this shows the full all applications http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html [05:47] kwwii_: well plastik is not a clone of lipstik, but the difference is very, very little [05:47] danimo: true that. cant admit i've ever tried that. [05:47] Hobbsee, unless you're a lemming [05:47] Mez: hehe. i'm nto a lemming [05:47] my opinion would be to switch the default team, since we may not have any time to fix lipstik [05:47] kwwii_: what would you sugest ? [05:47] Tonio_: turn the seperators off :-) [05:48] kwwii_: bah... they are usefull since the configuration is possible by clicking them :) [05:48] imbrandon: hmm, flash [05:48] kwwii_: ever tried plastik ? [05:48] 90% people wouldn't even see the difference with lipstik [05:48] it shows a good 5 minutes of useage though [05:48] Riddell: ^^ [05:48] and plastik doesn't bug [05:48] man that would be SWEET to stick in edgy [05:49] it would blow their sox off as far as candy [05:49] Mez: katapult 0.3 does double delete on backspace too [05:49] Riddell: did you figure out what on earth was wrong with that patch? [05:49] Tonio_: btw: the vpn integration in knm still doesn't work in edgy :( [05:49] kwwii_: the point is that art is your job so you decide :) [05:50] Hobbsee: nope, autoblah is still being evil [05:50] danimo: it does as long as you have the vpn modules installed [05:50] danimo: I'm using it === danimo checks [05:50] Riddell: hehe, fair enough. you did see the comment while building, and in debian/rules, didnt you? [05:50] but the modules are gtk based, which sucks a bit [05:50] abattoir: new oem-config in edgy [05:50] at least openvpn works here [05:51] abattoir: could you merge with colin and see if we can get a working version? [05:51] danimo: sweet screenshot... wannahaveaswell :) [05:52] danimo: we need to get the vpn packages in the repos btw === \sh_away is now known as \sh [05:52] Tonio_: I have the openvpn package installed [05:52] danimo: and nothing ? [05:52] Tonio_: might be a good idea to just use plastik [05:52] Tonio_: [05:52] since that is properly tested for years already [05:52] Tonio_: no [05:52] danimo: can be an issue with the package eventually, I compiled it [05:53] I remember that the packages I found on the net were causing this kindof issue [05:53] kwwii_: okay. Riddellwould you be okay too ? I would change kds in this case [05:53] imbrandon: oh, and click on the screenie to see how far it is away from kfbx [05:53] Riddell: yes, i've been speaking w/ him.. i'm just checking the changes... [05:53] danimo: maybe you can remove the package and compile from source [05:54] Tonio_: huh? they are from the edgy repo [05:54] danimo: yea i seeen [05:54] this is the way I did and I used it until 2 weeks ago. No vpn acces anymore since I left my company ;) [05:54] Riddell: he said i could ping him... and he'd merge my changes :) [05:54] danimo: they are available now ? cool ;) I didn't figured out this [05:54] Tonio_: another bug to fix then [05:55] danimo: yep, can you report ? [05:55] I will give a shot to the patches provided for knm, maybe one is a bit destructive ;) [05:55] Tonio_: which ones? [05:55] the point is I dokn't understand why it worked for me... [05:55] Tonio_: issue numbers? [05:55] danimo: yea talking to Beineri now in PM [05:55] the nodialup one [05:55] maybe we removed a bit to much of code [05:56] Tonio_: dialup one? [05:56] abattoir: let me test them first, we don't want him to try a merge and find problems you've overlooked :) [05:56] danimo: is the knm + vpn issue already reported ? [05:56] Tonio_: hmm, spose so [05:56] Riddell: sure :) [05:56] Tonio_: didn't check [05:56] Tonio_: trying to purge and reinstall the packages first [05:56] Tonio_: since I had them from an official repository before edgy [05:56] Tonio_: so just to be safe [05:57] Riddell: translate(spose, en_EN); please ;) [05:57] danimo: yup [05:57] Tonio_: odd, it's gone now [05:57] Tonio_: so it was not in repo :( [05:57] night all [05:57] Tonio_: where did you get it then? [05:57] bye Hobbsee [05:58] Riddell: hope you get that autohell worked out. [05:58] danimo: ah !!! I was astonished by this :) probably first compile to check, that's the way I did === Beineri [n=Beineri@kde/binner] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:58] Tonio_: where can I get the sources? [05:58] danimo: I don't remember where... probably on the redhat svn or something since they are developped by redhat === releaselogger [n=me@N830P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] danimo: or if you get the package, grab the tarball ;) [05:59] welcome Beineri [05:59] you may found an rpm source repo from suse eventually [05:59] danimo Riddell : i was just asking him about the kickoff code [05:59] I installed it month ago so I don't remember === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] if I could install flash I could look at it, but guess Tonio_'s flash fix isn't in yet [05:59] Beineri: its a bit hetic in here at time, and others dead, this is one of the hetic times [06:00] Riddell: i uploaded it a few hours ago [06:00] should be in [06:00] Beineri: is the code in svn somewhere we can poke at it at all ? === nixternal punches in ready for work! [06:02] Riddell: isn't it ? it was uploaded this morning.... [06:02] Tonio_: i'll check LP now [06:02] Riddell: you can install firefox, which autoinstalls flash, and then konq can use it too [06:02] imbrandon, Tonio_: got it now; needed apt-get update [06:02] ahh [06:02] Riddell: ah great :) [06:03] anything needing specific testing that could be dangerous...sling my way...i have created a new edgy testing monster....it is screaming for pain [06:03] nixternal: we're all perusing Beineri's blog post about a new kicker menu 50x better than kbfx it looks like [06:03] nixternal: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html if you have flash installed [06:04] i seen it [06:04] it is nothing more than a hacked kbfx theme [06:04] no its lots more [06:04] kde-look has a bunch of those menus already to download [06:04] i thought that at first too [06:04] i have played with them [06:04] no no [06:04] pretty cool [06:04] really [06:05] look at what it does, its alot more than kbfx is unless there has been a MAJOR rehaul [06:05] it looks like the other menus on kde-look.org to me..actually a tad bit cleaner than most [06:05] look closer, your glancing and not paying attn [06:06] i'mtelling you having worked on the kbfx code alot, its leaps and bounds above it [06:06] imbrandon: that's sweet... [06:07] context menu's , tabs , serarch [06:07] it would be alot of code overhauls if that was kbfx [06:07] Tonio_: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/NetworkManager/vpn-daemons/ [06:08] imbrandon: it's only in our internal svn for now. but we plan to have it in openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 4... [06:08] Beineri: nice , any eat or can we maybe get a tarbal to play with ? [06:08] s/eat/eta [06:09] imbrandon: if it's in opensuse you'll be able to get the source [06:09] kinda test the stability etc ( not to say you write something that will crash every click lol ) [06:09] Riddell: oh i know [06:09] but not till alpha 4 [06:09] heh [06:09] i have factory installed on the amd64 [06:10] imbrandon: eta for Alpha 4 is 7 Sep so it will land in Factory, svn.kde.org, kde-look.org some days before... === DaSkreech [n=david@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:10] stability is a good point ;-) [06:10] cool ;) [06:10] raphink: Hallo [06:11] keyboard navigation has still some flaws ;-( [06:11] hi DaSkreech [06:11] if its days before sept 7 then we can squeese it in possibly [06:11] and fyi, it's a big patch to Kicker itself - not some applet you can package/install separately. [06:11] ;) [06:11] I hear you are the daddy :) [06:11] ohh very cool [06:12] Riddell: interesting in testing that kickoff ? [06:12] imbrandon: beware of [06:12] edgy look like the good release to test new stuff no ? [06:12] Tonio_: thats what we're talking about [06:12] Tonio_: wow, there's a lot of gnome stuff in the openvpn plugin [06:12] openSUSE has months to stabilize/bugfix it :-) [06:12] imbrandon: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41033 [06:12] that has all the same stuff..just placed differently [06:12] danimo: yes, they are gtk based [06:12] raphink: How do I debug an X issue with no errors? [06:13] there is another one out there that isn't on kde-look as well..and it might be in the opensuse wiki actually for you to dl [06:13] all the configuration is gtk dialog, you only get a link in knm in fact [06:13] Tonio_: we could change that you know? :) [06:13] DaSkreech: what do you want to debug if there's no errors? [06:13] nixternal: no i have used the kbfx code it dosent ahve the context menus and alot of the other kio intergration [06:13] Beineri: heh yea i know [06:14] The lack of KDE goodness? [06:14] Beineri: it could possibly be packaged as kicker2 and conflick/provide it though for an either or type thing [06:14] in the initial testing [06:15] imbrandon: btw: kickstart depends on beagle, at least the search part [06:15] danimo: not a problem so does kery and others [06:15] danimo: what is kickstart? [06:15] kerry* [06:15] Beineri: wrr, kickoff [06:15] Linux on Amiga? [06:15] hahaha [06:16] Beineri: it's tempting to confuse them. admint it! [06:16] danimo: not the whole search part stuff [06:16] kio-beagle and kerry both use the beagle back end [06:16] imbrandon: is beagle in main now? [06:16] danimo: what do you mean by "change this" except redevelopping the full vpn modules ? [06:16] not sure but i think its on its way, if its not wouldent be hard to get it in for edgy+1 where this would target [06:17] Tonio_: not all of it [06:17] Back to here :-) [06:17] Tonio_: but it's only two dialogs that are actually depending on gtk [06:17] I have no errors however X will not start [06:17] danimo: seeing how mono and other mono apps are in main already no many deps would be brought in [06:17] shoudln't edgy+1 include kde4 with whatever first class menu it then has? :-) === drivel [n=drivel@218.28.177.254] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] imbrandon: well, mono is a differen beast :) [06:17] Beineri: I think it's more like edgy+2 :) [06:18] danimo: pessimist [06:18] Beineri: or will opensuse 10.3 have KDE 4 by default? :) [06:18] heh === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:18] danimo: how about the conf, doesn't it depend on gconf I think ? [06:18] danimo: maybe, opensuse 10.3 is fall 2007 stuff === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger [06:19] getting this in universe shouldnt be a problem for edgy but edgy+1 for main if at all === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] imbrandon: ok, i can see some major differences in it..however setup/design looks very close to a kbfx menu to me...i see the added kio stuff, and some of the functions are neat...but after watching the application stuff with multiple child directories..it would become annoying if i had to go up to the top just to go back one directory..but cool nonetheless [06:20] Beineri: I still think Spring 2007 is rather optimisic for the final of 4.0 [06:20] danimo: mhm wait, what "by default" do you mean? :-) [06:20] nixternal: still better than a kmenu circa windows 95, besides i'm sure suse r&d put lots of hours in useability in this ;) [06:20] Beineri: well, that's the other thing.... === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0211-aby-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] imbrandon: sure, you know "Novell - word leading in creating usable desktop start menuS" ;-) [06:21] world even [06:21] heh [06:22] yea i fell in love with slab but i hate gnome ;) [06:22] lol [06:22] raphink: When you get a moment can you ping me or look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21402 and see if anything stands out. Thanks [06:22] well i dont hate it but ..... [06:22] ;) [06:22] imbrandon: usp nicer in my humble opinion [06:22] DaSkreech: sorry I'm going to leave work now [06:22] usp ? === nixternal likes the kmenu circa 95...it is easy to use, and straight forward [06:23] im all about simplicity..and kmenu can't get any simpler *just made that word up* [06:23] raphink: heading home? [06:23] yes DaSkreech [06:23] will you have a moment then? [06:23] nixternal: says who? dude everyone hates the kmenu , hit kde.org once in a while ;) [06:24] xfce = simple , kde = useable ;) [06:24] i like it, and im sticking to it [06:24] you can't teach an old dog new tricks, well at least this one ;) [06:24] e = short to say [06:24] sure i can when i file the main inclusion report and upload it ;) [06:25] lol [06:25] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546 <-- usp.. hmmm.. nice [06:25] ugh forums [06:25] Haha [06:25] hehe [06:25] ouch thats a monster and ugly [06:26] imbrandon: :-P [06:26] could they have made it any bigger ? [06:26] imho looks like a slab rippoff not as polished [06:27] raphink: ping ? [06:27] slab sucks... really comparted to usp [06:27] hrm i guess thats why i stick with kde ;) [06:27] pong Tonio_ [06:28] raphink: tu pourrais m'uploader un kds ? [06:28] c'est pas lourd ;) [06:28] Tonio_: quand je rentre chez moi [06:28] oki [06:28] je te send le mail en attendant :) [06:28] merci ma poule === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech waves [06:35] hi [06:37] heya toma [06:37] hi toma [06:38] anyone know what happened to xorg-dapper earlier today? [06:38] toma, http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/latest-dapper-xserver-xorg-upgrade-might-break-the-xserver/ [06:39] heh, ubuntu-demon is going to turn his blog into the "AP" of the technology world with all that he posts ;) [06:40] he needs to consolidate some post and not spam planet with that crap imho , but thats just me, i hate to see 5 post in one day by the same person [06:40] EVERY day [06:41] that and wasent X fixed like less than an hour after it was botched ? [06:43] see that was an error of less than an hour and he gets comments like this , that pisses me off .... [06:43] i am halfway of reinstalling ubuntu when i saw this sheezzmakes me have second thought on goin back to fedoraor maybe open suse..if this ever happens again u know what distro will be in my pc.. i wanna know who is responsible for this hell? :( [06:43] [06:43] 98% of users never even say the upgrade before it was fixed [06:43] imbrandon: even for me it took me quite some time to fix it [06:44] toma but you are one of the few that updated in that time [06:44] Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/windowDecoGradient.png & http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu_buttons.tar.bz2 [06:44] imbrandon: sure, but the result is a horrible situation, most users can not fix such a thing [06:45] and if it hit me, it hit others ;-) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Beineri [n=Beineri@kde/binner] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:50] kwwii_: love that [06:52] X sucks :-P [06:52] hey, is there a way to get konversation to default to port 8001 to prevent the DCC exploit? [06:52] i know there is a way [06:52] bad wording there [06:52] it needs to be implemented from the get go for Freenode in the default settings [06:52] Riddell: #7C67AB [06:52] good idea [06:53] and #5B4B7D === htraki [n=tomi@a0958.adsl.pool.eol.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:54] hello to all [06:55] htraki! === DaSkreech waves [06:56] Ive problem with the new xserver-xorg-core pacakge 10.3:After upgrading wont start X11 anymore [06:57] My video card radeon 9250 [06:57] Says:no screen found [06:58] Tonio_: wait till you see the new buttons in action...the animation is pretty cool now :-) [06:58] kwwii_: hehe [06:59] htraki: Update to 10.4 [06:59] where can I find it? [06:59] I use the at mirror it has only 10.3 [07:00] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [07:00] Most all mirrors have the new package now [07:00] se.archive.ubuntu.com does for sure as many others do [07:00] Hawkwind: Mine doesn't I grabebd it from packages.ubuntu.com [07:01] DaSkreech: Take a hint, use a better mirror :P === Hawkwind Hides [07:01] Which do U recommend ? [07:01] I'm sure by tonight or tomorrow just about all of them should have it [07:01] htraki: I use se.archive.ubuntu.com personally [07:02] ubuntu-devel is a different monster thats for sure...i was just reinformed as to why i use Kubuntu as well ;) [07:02] Hawkwind: Gets 7 years of bad luck over Hawkwind's head [07:02] DaSkreech: Hah [07:03] thx 4 your help guys, bye === htraki [n=tomi@a0958.adsl.pool.eol.hu] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech waves === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:15] raphink: If you have anytime ping me :) === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0211-aby-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:29] night nigth folks , time for my nap [07:29] Night [07:30] Riddell: i'll finish up that .hidden stuff tomarrow ( aka tonight when i wake ) [07:30] c yall [07:30] nite imbrandon. === erov [i=j@flipthejig.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [07:35] imbrandon_: oh yes, I spoke to keybuk and be kinday mumbled and wasn't to sure, so I think it'll be ok to upload .hidden files in / and /media and see who complains [07:35] kwwii: I couldn't load the links you gave earlier [07:39] meh [07:39] X fails to start in edgy :p [07:39] DaSkreech: what was the error? [07:39] No error [07:40] ust loaded up said done and I could see nothing and nothing happened [07:40] DaSkreech: hrm, no idea [07:40] Tm_T: which version? [07:41] Tm_T: is that on nvidia? only x-related updates i've got for a while back. [07:42] fdoving: ati === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] Bah Epiphany sucks [07:44] I tried with "ati" and "radeon" driver, both ends up to "(EE) ATI(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit Failed" [07:44] Tm_T: I'll one up you :) [07:44] ? [07:45] I've tried all drivers XGL DRI and no DRI and I get no errors on any of them but X won't start :) [07:45] haha [07:45] glad I didn't upgrade my workstation but my sisters laptop =) [07:45] So how do you debug something that is working but is obviously not working? [07:46] new and improved kwin-style-crystal uploaded, have fun when it compiles === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:47] Riddell: With Lubos patches? :) [07:47] Tm_T: when did you update? [07:47] fdoving: just [07:47] DaSkreech: ? no [07:47] ok :) [07:47] xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, [07:48] and xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-savage [07:48] are the x-related updates i got just now. [07:48] I see, doesn't help I afraid === \sh is now known as \sh_away [08:02] DaSkreech: ping [08:06] knot2 release date? first person to answer correctly wins....A new car! [08:06] Today [08:06] wrong [08:06] this week? [08:06] hahah cheater [08:07] i need to know so i can finalize the EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu page so it can get published [08:08] nixternal: "knot2 is released in knot2 release day" [08:08] ;--P [08:09] YOU WIN!!! send me a self addressed stamped envelope and I will send you your new car ;) [08:09] whee! [08:09] nixternal: small plastic one?or real steel? I like small steel cars :) [08:10] oh, just a picture i printed [08:10] ;) [08:10] bah === LeeJunFan_ [n=junfan@s64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] Tm_T: if the enevelope didn't tip you off :) [08:19] =) === mikix [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-72-96.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:52] Well time to format Kubuntu. Bye bye [08:54] DaSkreech: reinstall is last last last resort [08:55] Yes but I need to get work done and End of wednesday is cutting close [08:55] I'll battle it out today but Tomorrow a reinstall is second on my list === releaselogger [n=me@N830P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:56] I agree [08:56] would it be too much to ask you to come for me DaSkreech?? [08:56] Hmm [08:57] Lack of car [08:57] otherwise i dont see me coming into office today..and food is there.. [08:57] I can call a cab for you [08:57] :-( we have vouchers? [08:57] We have vouchers :) [08:57] ok.. [08:57] i'll call one then.. [08:57] soon [08:57] not half ready yet === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.34.190] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikix [n=mikix@AOrleans-152-1-72-96.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:15] how long is it before a "Needs Info" becomes an "Aged Needs Info" [09:15] A month of no reply with more info? 2 months? [09:16] 1 month is my instinct [09:16] 2 months is more than generous [09:16] kk [09:17] ty === ryanakca is looking for all the old "Need Info" in kubuntu and closing them [09:25] wasn't here someone with Flash problems? === Beineri looks to Riddell [09:30] anyway, there is now also a mpeg at the same place [09:38] How do I recommend a different icon set for kubuntu-desktop? (I know I have poor chances of success) === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:41] http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/kNeu-Screenshot-5497.html === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:53] Tonio_: I was mistaken: /dev/cdrom links to /dev/scd0, so it's really all sata [09:53] re btw :) === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.34.190] has joined #kubuntu-devel === javier [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [n=fritsch@p54AC22B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo drops a needle === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] Riddell: ping? [12:02] amarok 1.4.2 just released. :) [12:02] fdoving: yeah, go upgrade the packages :) [12:02] i'm on overtime, need to be in bed in -20 min. === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] i could look at it tomorrow if it's not already done when i get home from work. [12:08] now i'm off to bed. [12:08] nite. === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.149] has joined #kubuntu-devel