[12:19] <omeow> imbrandon_, please remake your konversation build, you caught just the wrong source, the current build crashes on startup.
[12:38] <_Sime> imbrandon_: I've updated the Sime kio patches. -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
[12:38] <_Sime> imbrandon_: I hope I didn't screw up the diffs.... but it should work better now.
[12:43] <omeow> _Sime, did you knew about this issue? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131197
[12:43] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 131197 in xinerama "KDM starts with two screens, logging in disables one screen and loses window settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:52] <_Sime> omeow: nvidia twinview isn't supported in guidance, and that is the end of the story until I or someone else implements and tests twinview support.
[12:52] <_Sime|Zzz> time for sleep
[01:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:13] <Tonio_> bddebian: heya
[01:15] <Tonio_> danimo: ping ?
[01:15] <Tonio_> danimo: I just noticed a VERY nasty bug, but that may require someone to confirm :)
[01:15] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[01:16] <danimo> Tonio_: pong!
[01:16] <danimo> Tonio_: lucky you, I was about to go to bed :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> danimo: hey :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> okay let's go quick
[01:16] <Tonio_> can you insert a dvd or audio cd and tell me what happens
[01:16] <danimo> Tonio_: ah, I had that today... nothing
[01:16] <Tonio_> here, nothing happens, no icon on the desktop
[01:16] <bddebian> Hi Tonio_
[01:16] <Tonio_> no window to prompt me for action
[01:17] <danimo> right
[01:17] <Tonio_> that critical issue
[01:17] <danimo> yes it is
[01:17] <danimo> Tonio_: I wanted to report it, but then I forgot about it :}
[01:17] <Tonio_> this is kde issue since I can mount a cd or play a dvd with kaffeine
[01:17] <Tonio_> danimo: kde issue or kubuntu issue ?
[01:17] <Tonio_> someone using another distro confirming would be very usefull
[01:17] <danimo> Tonio_: well, it worked with KDE 3.5.4 for dapper
[01:17] <danimo> Tonio_: so I suspect a kubuntu issue
[01:18] <Tonio_> but that probably the n1 bug I saw on kubuntu till now
[01:18] <Tonio_> okay, probably a kdebase patch........;
[01:18] <danimo> aye
[01:19] <Tonio_> I suspect that will be hard to fix
[01:23] <Tonio_> danimo: I wonder if udev can cause the issue
[01:23] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:/dev$ ls -la scd0
[01:23] <Tonio_> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2006-08-21 12:53 scd0
[01:23] <danimo> Tonio_: no idea, I had problems with the udev upgrade anyway
[01:23] <Tonio_> that should suffice I assume
[01:23] <Tonio_> danimo: the error occured yesterday too
[01:24] <danimo> Tonio_: it didn't overwrite the udev rules in /etc/udev
[01:24] <Tonio_> danimo: is the process mounting the medias running under a different user ?
[01:24] <danimo> Tonio_: shouldn't
[01:24] <danimo> Tonio_: it talks to hal via dbus which runs as root
[01:24] <Tonio_> I assume no too, but I don't see why it would work on dapper and not edgy
[01:25] <Tonio_> hal issue maybe....
[01:25] <danimo> maybe
[01:25] <Tonio_> the point is "where should I report the issue"
[01:25] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:25] <Tonio_> kdebase probably first
[01:25] <danimo> Tonio_: how about the wiesbaden folks
[01:25] <danimo> Tonio_: bah, bugtracker :)
[01:26] <Tonio_> danimo: well since that it really major issue, we probably should ping riddell tomorrow concerning this
[01:26] <danimo> yes
[01:26] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm reporting quickly, can you wait 3 minutes to confirm ?
[01:26] <danimo> ok
[01:28] <Tonio_> danimo: the strange thing is that it works nicelly with a usb key
[01:29] <danimo> Tonio_: don't have one handy to check, sorry
[01:33] <Tonio_> danimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57170
[01:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57170 in kdebase "optical medias are invisible with kde 3.5.4 on edgy" [High,Unconfirmed]  
[01:33] <Tonio_> just wait for confirmation ;)
[01:34] <danimo> how do I confirm?
[01:35] <danimo> Tonio_: done
[01:36] <danimo> Tonio_: gnite!
[01:38] <Tonio_> danimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/57171
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57171 in kdebase "problem with certain specific characters using edgy" [High,Unconfirmed]  
[01:38] <Tonio_> hehe
[01:38] <Tonio_> 3 seconds and I live you alone :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> too late probably :)
[01:39] <danimo> Tonio_: you're tonight's lucky bastard :)
[01:39] <Tonio_> danimo: LOL :)
[01:40] <danimo> Tonio_: done
[01:40] <Tonio_> I promiss not to even think about talking to you now :)
[01:40] <Tonio_> have a good night danimo
[01:40] <danimo> Tonio_: I need to report an ACPI  bug with my laptop
[01:41] <danimo> Tonio_: but tomorrow :)
[01:41] <danimo> Tonio_: and it's not kubuntu-specific
[01:43] <Tonio_> danimo: ah...
[01:43] <Tonio_> I prefer bugs that are not ubuntu specific :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> it makes it easier involving upstream to resolve it ;)
[01:44] <danimo> Tonio_: well, I simply need to report some acpi key events that are wrongly/not recognized
[01:45] <danimo> Tonio_: should be a matter of the maintainer adding a few lines to detect my dell laptop
[01:45] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, paul sladen is the man for this
[01:46] <danimo> ok, thanks and bye!
[01:48] <Tonio_> ++
[05:54] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Have you had any luck with u4 yet by chance ?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hi all
[07:08] <imbrandon> nixternal: nixternal: http://kflickr.sourceforge.net  <-- 0.7 is out
[07:08] <imbrandon> wakie wakie orn flakey
[07:08] <imbrandon> corn*
[07:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so you'll upload it?  nice
[07:10] <imbrandon> upload what?
[07:11] <imbrandon> kflickr ?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:11] <imbrandon> yea i will, i was gonna give nixternal the chance to package it as he got it into ubuntu , but if he dont want to i will 
[07:11] <imbrandon> but either way i'll either pack and upload or upload his
[07:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:12] <imbrandon> or if i get bord and he dont wake up soon ;)
[07:12] <imbrandon> lol
[07:13] <imbrandon> bored*
[07:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: check out http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/ got html templates working on it now
[07:14] <imbrandon> need to make them prety like the rest of my site but they work now
[07:37] <seaLne> imbrandon: presumably as ubuntu isn't ubuntu linux kubuntu isn't kubuntu linux, oh and you head floating like that with the reflection is plain freaky :)
[07:49] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:49] <imbrandon> and what about "ubuntu linux" ?
[07:50] <_Sime|Zzz> imbrandon: did you see my message about updated kio patches on the wiki?
[07:50] <imbrandon> Sime: not yet, i ahvent checked the wiki today
[07:50] <imbrandon> i'll look right now though
[07:50] <Sime> [00:44]  <_Sime> imbrandon_: I've updated the Sime kio patches. -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia
[07:51] <imbrandon> cool yea i must have not caught that /me looks
[07:51] <imbrandon> imbrandon_ is my lappy ;)
[07:53] <imbrandon> hrm that last patch is for 3.4
[07:53] <imbrandon> is it not in upstream already ?
[07:53] <imbrandon> and cool i'll start the compile tonight and it should be uploaded by morning 
[07:53] <imbrandon> ( to my repos first to test )
[07:54] <imbrandon> ahh nvm i see it for 3.5.4 
[08:01] <Sime> imbrandon: that other patch from bugs.kde is handy too.
[08:01] <seaLne> imbrandon: i was meaning about it being "kubuntu" rather than "kubuntu linux" in your wee side bar, just being picky :)
[08:01] <imbrandon> seaLne: hehe ok i'll change it but i refules to put kubuntu GNU/linux ;)
[08:02] <imbrandon> Sime: yea i'm gonna include that too, applying all three right now and testing
[08:02] <Sime> sweet
[08:02] <seaLne> i normally refer to it as GNU/linux unless i'm talking to friends who know
[08:03] <imbrandon> i refuse to as GNU tools arent any more important than Gnome or KDE etc
[08:03] <imbrandon> it is a Linux system 
[08:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:03] <imbrandon> but thats just my 0.2c
[08:04] <seaLne> yeah but everything apart from the linux kernel would be the same on freebsd etc :)
[08:04] <seaLne> but anyway
[08:05] <imbrandon> exactly so what makes gnu more important than the bsd tools ?  other wise we end up with GNU/KDE/dpkg/Linux ;)
[08:05] <imbrandon> and besides to be true to form it should be Linux/GNU as gnu tools wouldent be anything without a kernel ;)
[08:06] <seaLne> nah you have GNU/linux GNU/freebsd GNU/hurd etc
[08:07] <imbrandon> actualy you have freebsd , linux , and hurd systems that use the gnu toolchain
[08:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:10] <imbrandon> e.g. i load cygwin on my windows box ( or windows sfu gnu toolset ) it dosent becomes GNU/Windows ;)
[08:35] <imbrandon> Sime: patches applied building now, should be done by moning
[08:35] <imbrandon> moring
[08:35] <Sime> imbrandon_: what are you using to build stuff on?
[08:36] <imbrandon> by build cluster but i have a few other things que'd
[08:36] <imbrandon> its a edgy pbuilder buildd though
[08:37] <imbrandon> 8 xboxes and 2 celeron 2.9 ghz working with ccache and distcc
[08:43] <seaLne> nice
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  tooltips for g-p-m seem to have gone awol
[08:55] <Hobbsee> er, kde-guidance
[09:18] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, you need an UVF exception for ktorrent 2.0.1
[09:19] <Riddell> imbrandon: 3.5.5 mid-september
[09:19] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[09:19] <Hobbsee> what's it now?
[09:19] <kwwii_> moin
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii_
[09:19] <Hobbsee> !
[09:19] <Hobbsee> oh, august
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hey, i've been 18 for a whole month.  cool.
[09:19] <imbrandon> heya kwwii_ 
[09:20] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i figured as much what do i do if upstream dosent keep a changelog ?
[09:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: look for svn logs
[09:21] <imbrandon> heh ouch, okies , so just go back and look at the commits
[09:21] <kwwii_> howdy imbrandon
[09:22] <imbrandon> Riddell: also Sime has v2 of the patches ready ( 3 of them this time ) should we put them right into edgy or should i build and have a few people test again ?
[09:22] <Riddell> imbrandon: lets live on the edge and put them straight in :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> hehe okie sounds rockin, i'll get some debdiffs ready for ya then
[09:24] <Riddell> cool
[09:24] <Riddell> URL?
[09:24] <imbrandon> i havent made them yet, doing them now
[09:24] <imbrandon> give me ~20 / 30 minutes
[09:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i like the sound of that. :P
[09:26] <Riddell> imbrandon: right, misread, thanks
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hah.  we get an email notification about LP going down about 4 hours after it was supposed to occur.  we know, by now!
[09:28] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:28] <Hobbsee> it's even back by now, too!
[09:53] <Lure> anybody else have problems with kmail/akregator/kontact hangs after recent edgy updates?
[09:53] <Lure> it seems lots of kio_http/kio_file processes are hanging around (more than I have seen before)
[09:53] <imbrandon> hrm not i and i usaly ahve all those opne most of the time
[09:54] <Hobbsee> havent noticed akregator hanging, i dont use the others
[09:54] <Lure> imbrandon: kmail hangs on first Check Mail (IMAP) and akregator on reading like 10 posts or so
[09:55] <imbrandon> hrm strange , yea i have lots of akre feeds and also use imap
[09:55] <Lure> imbrandon: maybe it is due to CrossOverOffice I installed yesterday ;-
[09:55] <imbrandon> heh i also have crossover installed 
[09:55] <imbrandon> edgy ?
[09:56] <Lure> edgy yes 
[09:57] <Lure> it looks I will have to boot in dapper to do my work and then look into this in the evening when back home :-(
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh
[09:58] <Hobbsee> yeah, the purple is pretty :)
[09:59] <Lure> it looks like kded is at fault - two of them get spawning all the time and using 50% of CPU each...
[10:01] <Lure> yep, that was it - killing kded helped kontact to get alive
[10:36] <Tonio_> heya !
[10:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: still ready to upload universe/multiverse for me ?
[10:36] <imbrandon> sure give me one sec
[10:36] <Tonio_> flashplayer-nonfree package is failing on edgy, I fixed it last night
[10:37] <imbrandon> kk shoot me a url 
[10:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon the package is very small, email possible ?
[10:37] <imbrandon> sure
[10:37] <Tonio_> which one ?
[10:37] <imbrandon> imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[10:38] <Tonio_> sent, you should get it in a minute
[10:39] <imbrandon> kk i'ma grab a soda, brb 
[10:39] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping 
[10:39] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/sime-patches-v2/  <---- both debdiffs ready
[10:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_: got it, one sec i'll have it uploaded
[10:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon  sure :)
[10:44] <Tonio_> I'm very astonished nobody fixed it before....
[10:45] <Tonio_> maybe because firefox now installs automatically flash in the user's profile, so most people don't need the package...
[10:45] <imbrandon> maybe ;)
[10:45] <Tonio_> but it is still the only way to do it for other browsers too
[10:50] <imbrandon> uploaded , waiting on accept message
[10:53] <imbrandon> Tonio_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-August/004211.html
[10:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: thanks, looks good
[10:59] <Riddell> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
[10:59] <Riddell> 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file kioslave/media/libmediacommon/notifieraction.h.rej
[10:59] <Riddell> or not
[11:00] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:00] <imbrandon> heh damn 
[11:01] <imbrandon> wth
[11:02] <imbrandon> whats that mean ? heh i just did debdiff *.dsc > blah.diff
[11:03] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  what you finishing the merges tonight while you wait on amarok ;)
[11:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'm avoiding my horrible maths assignment :P
[11:04] <imbrandon> ahh heh
[11:04] <imbrandon> you bugged me for 1.5 weeks about konversation and i fixed it heh now give me amarok ;)
[11:06] <Riddell> imbrandon: it's sime's patch that doesn't apply
[11:07] <imbrandon> ouch not good ok hrm can you check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia the very bottom
[11:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's what I've done, it still doesn't apply
[11:07] <imbrandon> ok
[11:08] <imbrandon> i'll check back with sime when he wakes
[11:08] <Riddell> Sime: poke poke, what's your kdebase v2 patch made against?
[11:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: only 1.5 weeks?  and i cant do anything, if the permissions on where the amarok is uploaded to are buggered
[11:09] <imbrandon> i think it was against the dapper 3.5.4 now that io think about it ( not mine , his )
[11:09] <imbrandon> s/io/i
[11:09] <imbrandon> i rember him saying something about he was still on dapper
[11:10] <Riddell> oh bah, it's just getting confused on some encoding issue with the accent in kevin's name
[11:10] <Riddell> now if only emacs would let me edit patches
[11:10] <imbrandon> yup infact http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101636  <-- sime says there he is on dapper 3.5.4
[11:10] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 101636 in sidebar "All icons in the services sidebar become folders when pressing plus sign" [Normal,New]  
[11:10] <imbrandon> emacs ?
[11:10] <imbrandon> haha
[11:10] <imbrandon> vim ftw ;)
[11:11] <imbrandon> actual i dident apply that patch , foo
[11:12] <imbrandon> if you get emacs to coperate can you add that one too Riddell  ( http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=17238&action=view )
[11:12] <imbrandon> it closes kde bug 101636
[11:12] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 101636 in sidebar "All icons in the services sidebar become folders when pressing plus sign" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101636
[11:13] <imbrandon> its just a one liner
[11:13] <imbrandon> now to add the .hidden file to k-d-s
[11:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: what's the bug number for that?
[11:14] <Riddell> oh, you said
[11:16] <imbrandon> just the kinda spam i need at 4am "Subject: Claim the hottest new Pink Phone"
[11:16] <imbrandon> lol
[11:19] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: but who *doesnt* want a pink phone?
[11:19] <imbrandon> heh
[11:23] <imbrandon> hrm Riddell where is it looking for file:///home , do you know the error i'm talking about ?
[11:24] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss2.png
[11:27] <Riddell> imbrandon: didn't tonio remove that from the sidebar yesterday?
[11:28] <imbrandon> umm i dunno, i got all the updates as of yet
[11:28] <imbrandon> what did he remove system:/ ?
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be removed for new profiles
[11:28] <Tonio_> but the desktop file exists in the existing profiles
[11:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon find ~/ | grep sidebar | grep system
[11:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon shoot that file
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can eventually remove that file within startkde, but as it'll work for new installations, I wonder if that'ss necessary.....
[11:30] <Tonio_> imbrandon the point is that kde copies those files for /usr/share
[11:30] <Tonio_> I removed the installation of that file, so kde cannot copy it anymore
[11:30] <imbrandon> what one 
[11:30] <imbrandon> /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/webbrowsing/entries/system.desktop
[11:30] <imbrandon> /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/virtual_folders/services/printsystem.desktop
[11:30] <imbrandon> /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/filemanagement/entries/system.desktop
[11:31] <Tonio_> the point is that if the file already exists in your profile, I can't touch that with a package, except the login script eventually
[11:31] <Tonio_> this one /home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/filemanagement/entries/system.desktop
[11:31] <imbrandon> k
[11:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:31] <Tonio_> and this too/home/brandon/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng/webbrowsing/entries/system.desktop
[11:31] <Tonio_> then killall konqueror (to remove the prelod process too) and restart
[11:31] <Tonio_> should work
[11:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: let me know if that fails
[11:33] <imbrandon> ahh now i have no system tab
[11:33] <imbrandon> umm well how am i supose to nav the tree heh
[11:34] <imbrandon> ahh nvm
[11:35] <imbrandon> Sime: ping , i'm not getting this .hidden to work
[11:36] <imbrandon> ahhh nvm
[11:36] <imbrandon> sweet
[11:49] <el> Riddell, ping
[11:49] <Riddell> hi el
[11:49] <el> hi Riddell 
[11:49] <el> i just wanted to restart hwdb to go through it once more
[11:49] <Riddell> imbrandon: kdelibs and kdebase updated
[11:49] <el> but it shows the send screen. how can i reset it?
[11:49] <Riddell> el: that'll be a usability issue :)
[11:49] <Riddell> el: rm ~/.hwdb
[11:50] <Riddell> el: I do plan to add a "rerun" button, as well as "back" buttons
[11:50] <imbrandon> sweet i'm looking at the .hidden files for kds now
[11:50] <el> Riddell, ok
[11:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: what does that do
[11:50] <Riddell> el: edgy upgrade smooth?
[11:50] <el> Riddell, how does the user start hwdb? does it pop up itself?
[11:50] <imbrandon> best way is to show you a screen shot , one sec
[11:50] <Riddell> el: menu entry
[11:50] <el> Riddell, i did it on another computer. didn't want to mess up my working machine.. ;-)
[11:50] <el> Riddell, ok
[11:51] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[11:51] <el> hi Hobbsee :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> el: it doesnt seem to kill anything
[11:52] <el> hehe, Hobbsee, now i also know that
[11:52] <Riddell> el: the idea behind the hwdb UI is to have it looking fancy enough that the user stays interested and doesn't get bored half way through
[11:52] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/kio_file_integration.png  <-- to make those patches actualy /do/ what they are intended
[11:52] <imbrandon> i have it working on my box
[11:52] <el> Hobbsee, the upgrade was really smooth on the other machine
[11:52] <Riddell> el: the gnome version uses a canvas with fading and stuff, which means it has a static layout and no i18n, it's quite evil
[11:52] <Hobbsee> el: nice.  i'm surprised :)
[11:53] <Riddell> imbrandon: I think the .hidden file should be added to kdebase then, it's not optional
[11:53] <imbrandon> Riddell:  ok heh lemme work on that 
[11:53] <imbrandon> lemme show you how i have it on mine ..... one sec
[11:53] <el> Riddell, so it has to be a "fun" application... hm, i'll think of that when going through it
[11:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss12.png
[11:54] <Riddell> el: yes
[11:54] <Riddell> imbrandon: what am I looking at?
[11:55] <imbrandon> can i also reduce the folder tabs like in simes screenshots
[11:55] <imbrandon> partly what Tonio_ started with system
[11:56] <imbrandon> see he has the 4 essential ones , everything else is covered with the patches and the .hidden
[11:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: sure
[11:57] <imbrandon> ok cool , i'll start that now then , heh looks like a update to kdebase 2 times in ~12 hours lol
[11:59] <Riddell> it's healthy to keep the buildds busy
[12:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:00] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[12:00] <imbrandon> well i need to wait anyhow so i can grab the current kdebase to diff against
[12:00] <imbrandon> heh
[12:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: must be time to rebuild the entire kde universe again then :P
[12:00] <imbrandon> haha
[12:01] <imbrandon> actualy this will make four to kdebase in ~24 hours 
[12:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:01] <imbrandon> and kontact crashes again ......
[12:01] <imbrandon> grrr
[12:02] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ktorrent stuff in your email
[12:02] <imbrandon> a changelog ?!?!
[12:02] <imbrandon> pwease ?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not quite a changelog - but the svn commits
[12:04] <imbrandon> ahh yessss a changelog without having to dig through svn commits
[12:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you send a kio-locate UVF exception request?
[12:04] <imbrandon> yea but __I__ dident have to do it Hobbsee , thats the good part ;)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true that :)
[12:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thank asimon sometime :P
[12:05] <imbrandon> i will trust me /me writes up a quick uvf
[12:11] <imbrandon> Riddell: is mdz or kamoin there with you guys ?
[12:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: they are both in this room
[12:12] <imbrandon> can you poke one of them to malone 57219
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57219 in ktorrent "uvf exception request ktorrent 2.0 -> 2.0.1" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57219
[12:13] <imbrandon> please
[12:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: e-mail is best for UVF exception requests
[12:13] <Riddell> I'll poke them
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I sent uvfe, but it still needs aproval
[12:13] <imbrandon> k
[12:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't seem to find it, was it an e-mail?
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, let me search
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 56940
[12:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56940 in kio-locate "0.4.4 > 0.4.5 UVF Exception Request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56940
[12:15] <Riddell> I'll poke with that too
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't email mdz but subscribed ubuntu-release group as required
[12:17] <imbrandon> heh is pitti gonna get to the inclusionreports this week ? 
[12:18] <Riddell> no idea
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: have you seen that nasty bug ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> bug 57170
[12:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57170 in kdebase "optical medias are invisible with kde 3.5.4 on edgy" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57170
[12:21] <Tonio_> it is edgy specific since no pb with 3.5.4 on dapper and is almost critical
[12:22] <imbrandon> hrm i hadent noticed that one, /me grabs a cd to test
[12:22] <Riddell> nope
[12:22] <Riddell> does it appear in media:/ ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, nore on the desktop and the action window neither
[12:23] <imbrandon> hrm strange i just put a superman cd in and worked fine
[12:23] <Tonio_> hu ?
[12:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: edgy ?
[12:23] <seaLne> yep
[12:23] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss13.png
[12:23] <imbrandon> yup edgy
[12:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: can you try with a new profile maybe
[12:24] <Tonio_> I suspect a configuration issue
[12:24] <Tonio_> danimo confirmed it failed for him too
[12:24] <seaLne> Tonio_: ok give me a few min
[12:24] <Tonio_> seaLne: sure
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say my cd is scd0 (sata one) maybe that can explain
[12:24] <imbrandon> yea the icon and window pop up
[12:25] <Tonio_> but it worked with 3.5.4 on dapper
[12:25] <seaLne> Tonio_: strangely (with my normal account) i can't eject
[12:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon testing on a fresh profile would be nice
[12:26] <imbrandon> Tonio_: sure give me 5 seconds to make a new user
[12:26] <Tonio_> I had the problem and I reinstalled to get the same issue
[12:26] <Tonio_> I have lots of issues that others don't seem to have, like katapult that doesn't work here (confirmed by toma)
[12:27] <seaLne> Tonio_: clean profile pops up and behaves fine, this needs upgraded a bit it was off for the last few days which may be an interesting test
[12:28] <Tonio_> seaLne: hum..........
[12:28] <Tonio_> why did danimo had the issue too ?
[12:28] <Tonio_> I will ask him if he has sata or not
[12:28] <imbrandon> yea brand new uesr and new profile works great
[12:29] <Tonio_> I don't understand, I'm just testing here, with a default knot1 installation, and it simply fails
[12:29] <imbrandon> knot1 and not updated ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon nope, up to date
[12:29] <Sime> imbrandon, Riddell : are you guys happy? or do I need to help with anything?
[12:29] <imbrandon> is the media your using good ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> I mean, this isn't an upgrated dapper
[12:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon I tested about 10 cds ;)
[12:29] <Tonio_> and yes they are good
[12:29] <imbrandon> k
[12:30] <imbrandon> jusat checkin
[12:30] <Tonio_> the point is I'm apparently not the only one, since danimo could confirm...
[12:30] <Riddell> Sime: it's all sorted
[12:30] <imbrandon> Sime: nope had a little hickup applying a patch but looks good
[12:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: can you give me a diff of your kde base against ubuntu8 so i dont have to wait on the buildd's
[12:31] <Sime> cool.
[12:32] <Sime> my patching technique is a bit dodgy since I've been working on a "apt-get source"ed copy of kde.
[12:32] <imbrandon> Sime: thats what we use ;)
[12:32] <Sime> so there were other things mixed in which I cut out of the diff. seems ok now.
[12:33] <Sime> yeah, I wanted the edgy version kde. but diffing got messy
[12:33] <imbrandon> heheh
[12:33] <imbrandon> they seemed to apply fine to edgy sources
[12:34] <Sime> if you came across any problems, issues or things that don't work quite right, then add that info to the wiki.
[12:34] <imbrandon> k
[12:34] <imbrandon> ohh
[12:34] <imbrandon> the .hidden dosent seem to 
[12:34] <Sime> oh, and plug as much stuff into you comptuer as possible. usb-pens, cameras etc
[12:34] <imbrandon> support secondary dirs
[12:34] <Sime> .hidden not working?
[12:34] <imbrandon> no it works
[12:35] <imbrandon> but say i want to hide /media/cdrom0
[12:35] <allee> Tonio_: I told you that using 'Defaults' in config dialogs ignores Kubuntu settings. Looks like Helio right now fixed it for Controlcenter in 3.5 Branch :)
[12:35] <Tonio_> allee ah ? it uses kde settings ? nasty.......;
[12:35] <Tonio_> allee reported a bug concerning this ?
[12:36] <Sime> imbrandon: ok, I have only tested it in /.
[12:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-ubuntu9.debdiff
[12:36] <imbrandon> hehe yea i tried that earlier i put media/cdrom0 in the /.hidden file and it dident like it
[12:36] <imbrandon> Sime: ^^
[12:36] <allee> Tonio_: no. Looks like every kcm module has to be touched for it.  Helio commited dozend of changes
[12:36] <Sime> imbrandon: /media/cdrom is a bit tricky. If you delete the cdrom link and dir, and let pmount handle taht for you like removable media, then it kind of workss in a more nice way.
[12:36] <Tonio_> allee maybe we can backport the diff as a patch, shouldn't we ?
[12:36] <Tonio_> argh, indeed
[12:37] <Sime> imbrandon: just put the file/dir name, not the path.
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that too late for dozensof patches ?
[12:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: lots of autotools changes, probably because I made it on dapper
[12:37] <allee> Tonio_: well,  I've a fan of syncing with 3.5 branch not too late in release cycle
[12:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: like what?
[12:37] <Sime> imbrandon: and the .hidden file should be in the same dir as the files you want to hide.
[12:37] <Sime> imbrandon: .hidden is per dir.
[12:37] <Riddell> Sime: hmm, in / ?
[12:37] <imbrandon> ahh soo /media would need one 
[12:37] <imbrandon> ok
[12:37] <Sime> imbrandon: yes
[12:38] <Riddell> hmmmm
[12:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea .hidden go's in /
[12:38] <Sime> imbrandon: the .hidden for / goes in /.
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: for the kcm modules changes
[12:38] <Riddell> that might not match with debian-policy and LSB
[12:38] <imbrandon> Sime: actualy could we put that in the normal kde configs dir
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks pretty important, but it looks like the changes are bug
[12:38] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i was just thinking that
[12:38] <Tonio_> s/bug/big
[12:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ping ?
[12:39] <Sime> imbrandon: I guess that is possible.
[12:39] <imbrandon> and just make one .hidden file that honours paths
[12:39] <Sime> imbrandon, Riddell : can you guys write on the wiki what you would like to see, and I'll see waht I can do.
[12:39] <imbrandon> sure
[12:40] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'll hold off on adding that to kdebase then till sime looks it over
[12:40] <Sime> Riddell: I can understand that debian policy and ubuntu might have a problem with some of this stuff.
[12:40] <imbrandon> well actualy if it was in /etc/ it would work then gnome could use it too as said on you blog
[12:41] <imbrandon> and it IS a config
[12:41] <Sime> I guess that the /media/cdrom and /media/cdrom0 links and dir are there for a reason and can't be removed.
[12:41] <Sime> imbrandon: gnome *does* respect .hidden already.
[12:41] <imbrandon> in / ?
[12:42] <Sime> yep
[12:42] <imbrandon> hrm 
[12:42] <Sime> the .hidden "idea" is from Mac OS X.
[12:42] <imbrandon> Riddell: where would we chekup on things like this to make sure they are "ok"
[12:42] <Sime> nautilus supports it.
[12:42] <imbrandon> yea i love osx ways ;)
[12:42] <Sime> it's a hack, but useful.
[12:43] <seaLne> Tonio_: still works fine in fully up to date edgy
[12:43] <seaLne> imbrandon: can you eject your cds by right clicking?
[12:44] <imbrandon> Riddell: couldent we get away with putting it kds then since gnome support it and it /is/ kubuntu specific ie what folders we hide/show
[12:44] <imbrandon> by default
[12:44] <seaLne> Tonio_: i get "media:/hdc cannot be found" on right click eject or unmount
[12:44] <imbrandon> and kdebase will function without it
[12:45] <imbrandon> same here
[12:45] <imbrandon> but i think simes new patch takes care of that
[12:46] <seaLne> imbrandon: of eject?
[12:46] <imbrandon> yea becouse it deals with how media:/ is supported
[12:47] <seaLne> ok, just checking we were talking about the same thing :)
[12:47] <Sime> seaLne: I think I've fixed that already (last weekend)
[12:47] <Riddell> imbrandon: I'll talk to people familiar with debian-policy
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea Riddell the more i think of it .hidden should go in kds since konqui/kdebase will work without it but not be all bling blaing like we want
[12:48] <Riddell> you could well be right
[12:48] <imbrandon> then since its its kubuntu specific i think it will be ok to shove in / or anywhere else ;)
[12:49] <seaLne> Riddell: if you are doing that could you ask about Bug #56970 aswell
[12:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56970 in k3b "K3B should be moved to KDE from "otherosfs"" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56970
[12:51] <seaLne> Francesco Pedrini is packaging new kmobiletools for debian
[12:51] <Riddell> seaLne: changing that to kde seems sensible to me, send mea debdiff, it's set in Section: otherosfs
[12:52] <Riddell> not that Sections are really important these days, if they ever were
[12:52] <Riddell> it's set in debian/control rather
[12:52] <seaLne> yeah, the reason i wondered was that cdrecord and other related stuff is in there aswell
[12:53] <Riddell> that's fair enough, but the frontend doesn't need to be
[12:53] <seaLne> k
[12:56] <imbrandon> ahh CC meeting today ;) hopefully it wont be a all out slugfest like the last one
[01:01] <seaLne> Riddell: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/tmp/k3b/
[01:04] <Riddell> seaLne: sections are lower case, uploaded with s/KDE/kde/, thaks
[01:04] <seaLne> k
[01:04] <imbrandon> good idea, me gets food too
[01:04] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'll investigate, but that's a bit strange I must say....
[01:05] <seaLne> my drives are all ide btw
[01:05] <Tonio_> seaLne: we need to wait informations from danimo
[01:07] <Tonio_> seaLne: concerning katapult
[01:07] <Tonio_> does it work for you ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> a few people people reported it fails and I also have the issue
[01:07] <Tonio_> alt + space doesn't produced anything and even with changing the shortcut that doesn't work
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: pong, in a bit.
[01:09] <seaLne> Tonio_: works on 0:0 does random things on 0:1
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'll re-pong - dishes here
[01:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes I noticed you are a "contact" for kdebase bugs
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: um, yes?
[01:11] <Tonio_> I didn't found the way to subscribe as a contact to get noticed for all bugs
[01:12] <Tonio_> how can you do this ?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh.  bugmail settings
[01:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: where is that ?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: let me grab it...
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's under "report a bug" on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[01:13] <Hobbsee> hit "i want to recieve all bugmail for $packagename"
[01:13] <Hobbsee> helps with the bug control, to know what's happening
[01:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks, I missed this function
[01:15] <Tonio_> honnestly, malone is a great bts
[01:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks for the tip
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no problem
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed, it is
[01:22] <seaLne> isn't that equivalant to reading kubuntu-bugs?
[01:23] <imbrandon> pretty much ;)
[01:23] <seaLne> except you get the mail twice now :)
[01:23] <Tonio_> seaLne: lol
[01:25] <Hobbsee> seaLne: mailing lists are evil though :P
[01:27] <seaLne> just because they don't like you :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i got them to work :D
[01:28] <Hobbsee> seaLne: they're probably very smart.  with not liking me at all
[01:28] <Hobbsee> cant see why things/people would like me when i boss them around, after all :P
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yay @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/57235
[01:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57235 in kubuntu-meta "The Kubuntu CD should have a sampling of whole of KDE" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[01:44] <Tm_T> ?
[01:44] <Tm_T> whole KDE?
[01:44] <Tm_T> that means "official" KDE set of application or all kde-related? ] ;=
[01:44] <imbrandon> all of kde wouldent fit on to the cd nor is in main
[01:45] <imbrandon> kubuntu != official kde ;)
[01:45] <Tm_T> yeah
[01:45] <imbrandon> reject reject reject
[01:45] <Tonio_> I don't understand those guys........;
[01:45] <Tonio_> if you want everything, grabs debian dvds.....;
[01:45] <imbrandon> exactly
[01:45] <Tm_T> imbrandon: error: unknown error: don't know how to reject reject reject, see reject help
[01:45] <Tonio_> I want kubuntu, but with the specifics of debian, the content of fedora, the advantages of mandriva, freely, on a 700 MB cd
[01:46] <Tonio_> by advance thanks !
[01:46] <Tonio_> pfffffffff, stupid
[01:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_: you forgot "kthxbye"
[01:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:46] <Tonio_> probably better including knetworkmanager on the cd ;)
[01:46] <Tm_T> Tonio_: where's gentoo?
[01:46] <Tonio_> that has to be done
[01:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: gentoo sucks, so I don't include it ;)
[01:46] <Tm_T> haha
[01:47] <Trollio> my new nick
[01:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:47] <imbrandon> brb afk a hour or two for food
[01:47] <Tonio_> no honnestly, I don't include tonio because it is not intended to be used by the masses
[01:47] <Tonio_> it's target is more slack's one than ubuntu's ;)
[01:48] <Tm_T> tonio is intented to use by who?
[01:48] <Tonio_> I donr't include GENTOO
[01:48] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:48] <Tm_T> Tonio_: have more coffee, I pay ;)
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:48] <Hobbsee> feel free to reject it :P
[01:48] <Tonio_> 3 hours sleeping last night.... that may explain
[01:49] <Tm_T> my second day in work, I'm exhausted
[01:49] <Tm_T> it's hard to do something almost 4 hours active
[01:50] <Tonio_> as we would answer to that bug "and why not 20 euros and a TWIX with it hu ???" ^_^
[01:50] <Tonio_> that's french expression hehe
[01:50] <Tm_T> hehe
[01:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon danimo has an ide cdrom
[01:54] <Tonio_> weird........
[02:05] <seaLne> Tonio_: it would be interesting to see if you had the problem with an ide drive, laptop or desktop?
[02:06] <Tonio_> seaLne: I will replug my dekstop in 2 weeks, not before
[02:07] <seaLne> it does sound like a strange and hard to diagnose problem :(
[02:08] <Riddell> el: thanks for the hwdb feedback, I'll get onto that once I've done your power manager changes
[02:09] <Riddell> (which won't be until next week at the earliest)
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: "Re: Kopete 0.12.2 UVF exception request"  "Looks good"
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay!  :)
[02:15] <Tm_T> :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i warn you now, i'm probably looking for an uploader
[02:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: =)
[02:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[02:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you can wait until saturday, ping me eventually
[02:16] <Tonio_> I may have my key back then
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i still have to fix it frist
[02:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's wrong with it?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not kopete
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: xine-lib, actually
[02:18] <Riddell> oh?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> doesnt play m4b files
[02:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is kopete 0.12.2 ready to upload?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: afaik, yes
[02:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where is it?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kopete 0.12.2?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i dotn remmber now :P
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i would think it's at http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/
[02:20] <Hobbsee> i dont know of anywhere else where i'm hiding it
[02:20] <Hobbsee> oh yes...now i'm remembering that package
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: were you going to take the debdiff, or the source?
[02:20] <Riddell> it's a new version, can't do debdiff
[02:20] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:20] <Hobbsee> true that
[02:20] <Hobbsee> source is there too :)
[02:21] <Tm_T> btw amarok 1.4.2 is released
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yeah, but they chmod' the directory wrong, so no one can get to it.
[02:21] <Tm_T> =)
[02:21] <Tm_T> what?
[02:22] <Tm_T> 15:19 < markey> http://rokymotion.pwsp.net/nightly-builds/1.4.2/
[02:22] <Tm_T> this one?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: new ktorrent available, bugfixes release
[02:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: 2.0.1?
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in a uvf exception ?
[02:23] <Tonio_> yes
[02:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: imbrandon did that
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah great
[02:23] <Riddell> we're requested a uvf exception
[02:23] <Riddell> he is indeed great
[02:23] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:23] <Riddell> but so's nixternal, he made me a cool hackergotchi
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that the "active team" is growing up quickly ;)
[02:24] <Tonio_> that's cool
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ah, not that one :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.  it's very cool :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: is kwwii supposed to connect today ? I would appreciate to discuss about the team, and his plans reguarding to this
[02:26] <Riddell> he's gone out for a smoke
[02:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why does koete suggest gnupg anyway?
[02:27] <seaLne> encrypted chat?
[02:27] <Tm_T> yes
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: encrypted chat, i think
[02:28] <Tm_T> cryptic talk, monk latin ;)
[02:28] <Tonio_> I'm out for one hour or two
[02:28] <Riddell> nifty
[02:28] <Tonio_> need to go in the supermarket with mommy
[02:28] <Tm_T> =)
[02:37] <el> Riddell, it's quite a lot. should i add priorities to show which are the important ones?
[02:39] <Riddell> el: sure
[02:39] <el> ok
[02:40] <Tm_T> abattoir_: hi
[02:41] <Hobbsee> *sod*
[02:41] <Hobbsee> why do i like goign and randomly deleting things?
[02:41] <abattoir_> Tm_T: hello :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> heya kwwii_ 
[02:49] <Hobbsee> pity Tonio_ is afk now
[02:50] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping 
[02:50] <imbrandon> moins kwwii_
[02:50] <Tonio_> not still
[02:50] <Tonio_> but in 5 minutes yes
[02:50] <jjesse> monring imbrandon_
[02:51] <imbrandon> heya jjesse
[02:51] <Tonio_> heya kwwii_ :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: what ya delete now ?
[02:51] <Tonio_> kwwii_: got 5 minutes or not ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just an .orig.tar.gz
[02:51] <imbrandon> lol
[02:52] <Riddell> imbrandon: hi
[02:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, wasnt that.  was xine-lib
[02:52] <Tonio_> kwwii_: looks like no, so seya in a few hours :)
[02:53] <imbrandon> heheh
[02:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/ktorrent.debdiff  ready to go
[02:53] <Riddell> approved?
[02:53] <imbrandon> yup
[02:53] <imbrandon> and noted so in the changelog
[02:54] <imbrandon> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57219
[02:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57219 in ktorrent "uvf exception request ktorrent 2.0 -> 2.0.1" [Untriaged,Confirmed]  
[02:58] <kwwii_> Tonio_: hi
[02:58] <kwwii_> Tonio_: sorry, I just checked irc :-)
[02:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: I need the .orig .diff and .dsc for ktorrent
[02:58] <kwwii_> Tonio_: how can I be of help?
[02:58] <imbrandon> Riddell: sure one sec lemme upload
[03:01] <danimo> heya
[03:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/  there ya go
[03:02] <danimo> has anyone seen that?
[03:04] <danimo> !package
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <imbrandon> both look to be 7.0.2 to me
[03:04] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-video-all
[03:04] <imbrandon> xserver-xorg-video-all | 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Packages
[03:04] <imbrandon>       xorg | 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Sources
[03:04] <imbrandon> err 7.0.22
[03:05] <imbrandon> !info xorg edgy
[03:05] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[03:05] <imbrandon> !info xserver-xorg-video-all edgy
[03:05] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-all: the X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.0.22ubuntu7 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[03:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: try  xdpyinfo | grep version
[03:05] <danimo> imbrandon: yes, that's what I have. but I get an ABI missmatch
[03:05] <Riddell> danimo: nvidia?
[03:06] <danimo> Riddell: no, anything BUT nvidia
[03:06] <danimo> Riddell: that's the most interesting thing
[03:06] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ xdpyinfo | grep version
[03:06] <imbrandon> version number:    11.0
[03:06] <imbrandon> X.Org version: 7.1.1
[03:06] <danimo> plus the nvidia driver is buggy
[03:07] <Riddell> whatever that is
[03:07] <ryanakca> bug 49901 can be closed... right? Is a complaint about katapult running slower than usual while amarok is adding music to it's database (which is cpu intensive, which explains the problem)... nobody has replied since 06-21
[03:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49901 in katapult "Katapult slows down to a near crawl when amarok is open" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49901
[03:07] <danimo> module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[03:08] <danimo> drives me nuts
[03:08] <imbrandon> heh
[03:08] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yea i would say so
[03:10] <danimo> imbrandon: any clue?
[03:10] <imbrandon> no idea , unless something ftbs
[03:10] <imbrandon> on the buildd's
[03:10] <danimo> ftbs?
[03:11] <imbrandon> faild to build from source
[03:11] <abattoir_> danimo: dapper?
[03:11] <imbrandon> but seeing as the packages have the same version number i'm kinda baffled tbh
[03:12] <danimo> edgy
[03:12] <danimo> afk brbv
[03:12] <danimo> -v
[03:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: ping, do you have the kio-locate .orig?
[03:14] <Riddell> and diff and stuff
[03:15] <imbrandon> hehe thats the new name for the upload sets "diff's n stuff's" hehehe just teasin ;)
[03:15] <imbrandon> whoop i guess that means not right now ....
[03:16] <Lure> kdelibs build failed due to new media patch :-(
[03:17] <Lure> http://librarian.launchpad.net/3971835/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kdelibs_4%3A3.5.4-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:17] <imbrandon> gah /me looks
[03:17] <Tm_T> kwwii_: hi :)
[03:17] <Lure> same with kubuntu-default-settings: http://librarian.launchpad.net/3977430/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kubuntu-default-settings_1%3A6.10-14_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:17] <Lure> :-(
[03:17] <Riddell> bah
[03:18] <Hobbsee> make[1] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/xine-lib-1.1.2'
[03:18] <Hobbsee> cd . && /bin/bash /root/xine/new/main/xine-lib-1.1.2/missing --run aclocal-1.9 -I m4
[03:18] <Hobbsee> /bin/bash: /root/xine/new/main/xine-lib-1.1.2/missing: No such file or directory
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:18] <imbrandon> gah it dident apply the patch again
[03:18] <imbrandon> Trying patch debian/patches/kubuntu_57_nomediaioslave_fileio.diff at level 1...0...2...failure.
[03:18] <imbrandon> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched]  Error 1
[03:18] <imbrandon> is that some of the funny char stuff you was talking about ?>
[03:20] <Riddell> hmm, it applied for me
[03:20] <imbrandon> i wish it was more verbose when it dosent apply
[03:20] <imbrandon> them ;(
[03:21] <imbrandon> gah phone bbiab
[03:21] <danimo> oh, for some reason there is xserver-xorg-driver* and xserver-oxrg-video*
[03:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: the error is in the debian/patches/ directory
[03:25] <danimo> but the nvidia propritary driver is unusable at this point
[03:26] <imbrandon> yea the nvidia binary drivers ( and ati afaik ) dont work with xorg 7.1 yet
[03:26] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i know, its with the last patch but i just dunno WHY it dident apply hehe
[03:26] <imbrandon> food time then i'll see if i can figure it out
[03:28] <ryanakca> can I close all the old bugs (1.5 months and over ) that no one has replied to and that don't seem to be a problem now (on edgy)?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yep
[03:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: patch errors give log files in debian/patches
[03:28] <jjesse> ryanakca: i usually mark them as rejected w/ a nice comment about how there has been no response and you are closing the bug due to that
[03:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: add that they are welcome to re-open if they can stuff reproduce in current edgy 
[03:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: ahh nice ok, cool  dident realize that, will look after food
[03:29] <ryanakca> jjesse: or if it just isn't a problem anymore, "Fix Released"?
[03:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sigh.  this package is being painful.
[03:44] <Riddell> imbrandon: kdelibs fail was just me being silly
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but you're suppposed to be perfect, surely?  :P
[03:45] <Tm_T> sir Riddell is
[03:47] <Hobbsee> it must be bugday, or close to it
[03:48] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: lol
[03:48] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:48] <Tm_T> I need apartment :(
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: haha
[03:49] <ryanakca> Tm_T: why don't you do what some guy did... trade from a little red paper clip all the way up to a house
[03:54] <Tm_T> nah
[03:54] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you mean build a house by using paperclips ?
[03:54] <Tm_T> you have any idea how cold it is here in finland during long dark winter?
[03:55] <ryanakca> Tm_T: no... he traded a paperclip for a pen for a door nob for a coleman stove, etc  http://oneredpaperclip.blogspot.com/
[03:55] <Tm_T> nah
[03:55] <ryanakca> Tm_T: can it be any colder than -40'C?
[03:55] <Tm_T> ryanakca: sure
[03:56] <ryanakca> sweet
[03:56] <Tm_T> in normal winter we play ice hockey out there and it's only -25'C ;)
[03:57] <Tm_T> or something, I can't play hockey anymore :(
[03:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: of course I am, it's a bug in patch that it can't apply already applied patches
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hah
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, right
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: want me to look at it?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: give me ~5 or so mins, then yeah
[03:59] <ryanakca> Can kde apps use the upstream .pot/.po ? (It was included in the source's po/ )
[04:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: of course
[04:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, ty
[04:07] <Hobbsee> APPLYING PATCH: automake.diff
[04:07] <Hobbsee> ah ha....
[04:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: what would I put in cdbs debian/rules for a premade .pot... I found the part on creating one... just not using a premade one..
[04:08] <Riddell> ryanakca: nothing, it'll get picked up automatically by the buildds
[04:08] <Riddell> ryanakca: is it in po/ ?
[04:08] <Mez> Riddell: love the hat :D
[04:10] <Riddell> Mez: I still have no idea which photo nixternal took it from
[04:10] <nixternal> hehe
[04:10] <nixternal> it is hidden in your pictures section of your website
[04:10] <Mez> Riddell: at least you've finally got a hackergotchi
[04:11] <Mez> I believe the people at Novell made mine :D
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hey Mez 
[04:12] <Mez> hey sarah
[04:13] <Hobbsee> is there any sane reason why there would be a diff in the source dir?  ie, not in the debian/ dir?
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can put your source changes outside debian/ it's just considered bad practice these days and is very hard to maintai
[04:16] <Riddell> maintain
[04:16] <Mez> Riddell: whats the status on hct atm ?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.....
[04:17] <Riddell> Mez: not changed as far as I know
[04:17] <Riddell> Mez: see the NoMoreSourcePackages spec though
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hct?
[04:18] <Mez> No feature specifications match your criteria] 
[04:18] <Riddell> my criteria?
[04:22] <Mez> nvm
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whinge.  i give up :P
[04:28] <Riddell> me too, debtags is weird
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want to help me out please?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i want to add the contents of the patch in http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/xine-lib.debdiff
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya
[04:31] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:31] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[04:34] <Mez> Hobbsee, whats the problem with adding the patch ?
[04:34] <Riddell> what the heck is m4b?
[04:35] <seaLne> aac apparently
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Mez: it screws with automake, etc, and makes the package not build.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: think along the lines of mp3, m4a, etc
[04:35] <Hobbsee> that patch is from kde bugs, pretty much
[04:35] <Riddell> what's m4a?
[04:35] <bddebian> 1 less than m4b?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:36] <Hawkwind> Hah
[04:36] <Hobbsee> another file type?
[04:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: back, yep, it po/
[04:36] <Hawkwind> m4a is an audio file type similar to mp3
[04:37] <Hawkwind> m4a is the given/used name for mpeg 4 files
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ther'es a bug # if you want it
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:39] <Mez> Whip?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: what are you pondering?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: it's useful to make people behave :P
[04:42] <ryanakca> (hey... i'm not very imaginative... give me a break :P )
[04:43] <seaLne> you want to be an optician?
[04:43] <nixternal> imbrandon: ping?
[04:44] <imbrandon> pong
[04:44] <ryanakca> oooh... green!
[04:44] <Hobbsee> seaLne: optoelectronics, not optics to do with eyes
[04:44] <nixternal> you package kflickr yet?
[04:44] <imbrandon> yup and uploaded
[04:44] <imbrandon> you sleep too long ;)
[04:44] <nixternal> k..i was gonna do it if you hadn't...gotta run to the gym...bbiab
[04:44] <imbrandon> l8tr
[04:44] <Riddell> what's optoelectronics?
[04:44] <nixternal> LEDs
[04:45] <nixternal> light emitting via glass...LEDs, Fiber Optics
[04:45] <nixternal> OLED
[04:45] <nixternal> stuff like that..ok bbiab now for sure ;)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.  that stuff.  check wikipedia :)
[04:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: xine seems to be compiling for me
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: even with that patch, etc, in?
[04:47] <Riddell> yes
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool.  can you upload it for me then please?  :P
[04:48] <Riddell> I'll let it finish compiling, then sure
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thankyou :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> actually, not being able to upload to main is not *that* much of an inconvenience.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> amarok people will be happy :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> universe was more of the problem, just due to sheer number
[04:49] <seaLne> any suggestions on how to check if a specific model of ati graphics card is supported, the family is listed in the man page
[04:49] <Hobbsee> allee: did you see my message a couple of days ago?  :)
[04:49] <allee> Hobbsee: no
[04:49] <Hobbsee> allee: right.  knemo in debian has a dependancy of kdelibs-bin, does it not?
[04:51] <allee> Hobbsee: yes: control:Depends: kdelibs-bin, kicker, net-tools, ${shlibs:Depends}
[04:51] <Hobbsee> allee: kdelibs-bin is not in debian unstable?
[04:51] <Hobbsee> forgot about checking the ftp site though
[04:52] <allee> Hobbsee: ah, right. I remember something like this.
[04:52] <imbrandon> chroots are your friend ;)
[04:52] <Riddell> config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
[04:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ho hum
[04:52] <Hobbsee> allee: happened in edgy, that's why.  according to p.d.o, unstable has no kdelibs-bin.  now, assuming kdelibs-bin also got merged into kdelibs4c2a, you need to remove kdelibs-bin from debian unstable as well.  which means that i can sync knemo :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, exactly.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yet without my patch, it builds just fine.
[04:53] <allee> imbrandon: yeap chroot I have ;)
[04:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:53] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ dchroot -c sid -d
[04:53] <imbrandon> I: [sid chroot]  Running shell: /bin/bash
[04:53] <imbrandon> (debian_sid)brandon@voyager:~$                 
[04:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ack.  my earlier statement didnt make sense.
[05:00] <yuriy> g'morning
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hey yuriy 
[05:01] <yuriy> kwwii: i gave glossiness another shot
[05:02] <ryanakca> all kde apps must have a man page included in packaging?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yep
[05:02] <Hobbsee> woot!  i got paid!
[05:02] <yuriy> kwwii: i think i overdid it though https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEGuidanceWineSpec/KdeGuidanceWineProgress
[05:02] <ryanakca> lol
[05:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hah.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> my aussie money wouldnt be worth much to you
[05:04] <Hobbsee> and phone credit
[05:04] <ryanakca> hmmm... AUD = 0.850493 CAD .... still worth it :)
[05:04] <kwwii> yuriy: looks much better though
[05:05] <allee> Hobbsee: paid?  Is this unusual behaviour when one has a job in down under? :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> allee: hehe.  sometimes it feels like it.
[05:05] <ryanakca> gas... I remember a while back it was 60 a litre... and we would have found 90 outrageously expensive... now we consider it cheap
[05:05] <Hobbsee> allee: they pay me on a tuesday night, which kinda sucks.  especially when i want the money for petrol on tuesday morning :P
[05:06] <allee> Hobbsee: buy a bike ;)
[05:06] <allee> Hobbsee: how far's your Uni and job away?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> allee: cant ride one :P
[05:06] <Hobbsee> allee: job is about 10 mins, uni is 20-25, up to 45
[05:07] <Hobbsee> i think i was speeding....a bit...or a lot...
[05:07] <ryanakca> lol
[05:07] <allee> oh, oh!
[05:08] <Hobbsee> allee: it's a bit too hilly for bikes around here.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> allee: and completely unsafe
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well....
[05:08] <allee> Hobbsee: as long as you drive car I can imagine <duck>
[05:08] <Hobbsee> allee: hahahaha!
[05:09] <Hobbsee> allee: i've never crashed into anyone else. they've crashed into me, or i've had some close calls though
[05:12] <Hobbsee> and it all went silent...
[05:12] <Tm_T> yeah!
[05:13] <ryanakca> lol... silent
[05:13] <Hobbsee> i need to be on time to it :(
[05:13] <Hobbsee> wb abattoir 
[05:14] <abattoir> Hobbsee: thanks... silly kwin... crashes when cpu reaches a 100% :(
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ouchy
[05:16] <allee>   * control: remove Depends: kdelibs-bin.  kdelibs-bin was merged into
[05:16] <allee>     kdelibs4c2a. kdelibs4c2a is added via ${shlibs:Depends}.  Thx Hobbsee
[05:16] <allee>     for reminding me (again and again :).
[05:17] <Hobbsee> allee: :D
[05:17] <Hobbsee> allee: and now i can wait, and then sync it.
[05:17] <allee> Hobbsee: I'll ask for a 0.4.4-2 upload
[05:18] <Hobbsee> allee: in debian or ubuntu?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> or both?
[05:19] <allee> Hobbsee: mhh, I thought only debian and then sync to kubuntu.  When I universe freeze?
[05:19] <allee> s/I/is/
[05:19] <Hobbsee> allee: 
[05:19] <Hobbsee> allee: i'll take care of ubuntu if you want - MOM will show the updated version
[05:19] <Hobbsee> sept 23 or something
[05:19] <allee> Hobbsee: great
[05:21] <imbrandon> by this rate youll be co-cto by then and wont have to do them ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: co-cto?
[05:22] <imbrandon> chief tech officer ( e. g. mdz's title )
[05:23] <Hobbsee> yeah right ;P
[05:23] <imbrandon> it was a joke ;)
writing man pages is fun!!!</sarcasm>
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: why do you think i dont put packages into NEW?  :P
[05:25] <ryanakca> hmmm... dunno... why? :P
[05:25] <imbrandon> heh man pages arent tooo bad ;)
[05:26] <Mez> hehe :D stories of LRL are coming back to me
[05:26] <Mez> I need to find that picture of the Kubuntu CD display we set up in pizza hut
[05:27] <seaLne> heh
[05:27] <Mez> seaLne, I wonder if she actually went home and tried kubuntu ?
[05:27] <Tonio_> re
[05:27] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ping ?
[05:28] <seaLne> who knows :)
[05:28] <imbrandon> Riddell: I FOUND IT ..... LOL
[05:28] <Mez> seaLne, I should go back and ask her :P
[05:30] <seaLne> bug #57289 is really pissing me off, i havent been able to use my main machine for about 10 min now :(
[05:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57289 in kdebase "kicker & kwin sit in infinite loop using nearly 100% CPU" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57289
[05:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: what?
[05:31] <imbrandon> the pic nixternal used for the gotchi ;)
[05:31] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-08-20-wgyf-liz-jonathan.jpg
[05:31] <Riddell> well well, so it is
[05:32] <imbrandon> heh
[05:36] <danimo> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2283 << wannahave :)
[05:37] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: heh... I just figured it out... "kdemangen.pl /usr/bin/kdeapp"  :)  instant man page
[05:37] <Hobbsee> oh wow, cool :)
[05:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: isn't it? :)
[05:39] <Riddell> I'm curious to know how the All Programmes works
[05:40] <Hobbsee> woo.  finally got thru level 6 of supertux :)
[05:40] <imbrandon> looks like a mix between slab and kbfx 
[05:40] <Tonio_> hey danimo
[05:40] <imbrandon> i ahve been waiting for this from them for AGES
[05:41] <Tonio_> danimo: nice you're here to discuss that horrible bug... imbrandon doesn't any issue, nore seaLne
[05:41] <danimo> heya Tonio_
[05:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: most likely how it works in slab with another window
[05:41] <Tonio_> danimo: that's a complete nonsense...
[05:41] <danimo> yeah
[05:42] <Tonio_> the point is that there is an issue, definitly...
[05:42] <danimo> yes
[05:42] <imbrandon> hahah infact it looks like they riped off the suse kbfx theme for that 
[05:42] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:42] <danimo> Tonio_: but how to track it down?
[05:42] <Tonio_> danimo: dunno......
[05:42] <danimo> imbrandon: well, there is a lot more code behind that
[05:42] <Tonio_> kde logs are not very easy to use
[05:43] <danimo> imbrandon: only the button is from kbfx
[05:43] <imbrandon> i would love to see that in action though 
[05:43] <danimo> imbrandon: well, ask beineri for the code :)
[05:43] <imbrandon> the rest of the theme is too it looks like danimo
[05:43] <danimo> not sure if they will hand it out before they release it themselves, though
[05:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea how to track that bug ? the "cd not visible in konq"
[05:43] <Tonio_> I must say I don't see any way to track this...
[05:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope
[05:43] <imbrandon> danimo: would it not be in svn ?
[05:43] <danimo> imbrandon: well, point is kbfx is just a theme, this start menu has more semantics behind it
[05:43] <danimo> imbrandon: read the text, it's a development from the opensuse project
[05:44] <imbrandon> danimo: have you used the spinx kbfx ?
[05:44] <danimo> nope
[05:44] <Tonio_> danimo: who is responsible for this in kde ?
[05:44] <imbrandon> heh there is alot of code behind that too 
[05:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: aseigo
[05:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well he doesn't look very respondive to my mails anyway ;) probably very buzy with kde4
[05:44] <danimo> Tonio_: what?
[05:45] <Tonio_> danimo: the optical medias management
[05:45] <kwwii_> Tonio_: hi, did you need something from me
[05:45] <kwwii_> ?
[05:45] <Tonio_> kwwii_: yes
[05:45] <danimo> heya kwwii_
[05:45] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I just noticed there is an evil bug on lipstik style : http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[05:46] <kwwii_> howdy danimo
[05:46] <Tonio_> kwwii_: I was wondering your plans concerning the kde style to use for edgy
[05:46] <kwwii_> ouch
[05:46] <Tonio_> kwwii_: cause we eventually can switch to plastik, since they are very, very close
[05:46] <kwwii_> Tonio_: good question, no plans to changes things now, but perhaps if we can find something better it would be good
[05:46] <danimo> Hobbsee: walking off a cliff in RL isn't cool either :)
[05:46] <imbrandon> Riddell: this shows the full all applications http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html
[05:47] <Tonio_> kwwii_: well plastik is not a clone of lipstik, but the difference is very, very little
[05:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: true that.  cant admit i've ever tried that.
[05:47] <Mez> Hobbsee, unless you're a lemming
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: hehe. i'm nto a lemming
[05:47] <Tonio_> my opinion would be to switch the default team, since we may not have any time to fix lipstik
[05:47] <Tonio_> kwwii_: what would you sugest ?
[05:47] <kwwii_> Tonio_: turn the seperators off :-)
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii_: bah... they are usefull since the configuration is possible by clicking them :)
[05:48] <Riddell> imbrandon: hmm, flash
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii_: ever tried plastik ?
[05:48] <Tonio_> 90% people wouldn't even see the difference with lipstik
[05:48] <imbrandon> it shows a good 5 minutes of useage though
[05:48] <imbrandon> Riddell: ^^
[05:48] <Tonio_> and plastik doesn't bug
[05:48] <imbrandon> man that would be SWEET to stick in edgy
[05:49] <imbrandon> it would blow their sox off as far as candy
[05:49] <Riddell> Mez: katapult 0.3 does double delete on backspace too
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you figure out what on earth was wrong with that patch?
[05:49] <danimo> Tonio_: btw: the vpn integration in knm still doesn't work in edgy :(
[05:49] <Tonio_> kwwii_: the point is that art is your job so you decide :)
[05:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope, autoblah is still being evil
[05:50] <Tonio_> danimo: it does as long as you have the vpn modules installed
[05:50] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm using it
[05:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, fair enough.  you did see the comment while building, and in debian/rules, didnt you?
[05:50] <Tonio_> but the modules are gtk based, which sucks a bit
[05:50] <Riddell> abattoir: new oem-config in edgy
[05:50] <Tonio_> at least openvpn works here
[05:51] <Riddell> abattoir: could you merge with colin and see if we can get a working version?
[05:51] <ryanakca> danimo: sweet screenshot... wannahaveaswell :)
[05:52] <Tonio_> danimo: we need to get the vpn packages in the repos btw
[05:52] <danimo> Tonio_: I have the openvpn package installed
[05:52] <Tonio_> danimo: and nothing ?
[05:52] <kwwii_> Tonio_: might be a good idea to just use plastik
[05:52] <danimo> Tonio_: 
[05:52] <kwwii_> since that is properly tested for years already
[05:52] <danimo> Tonio_: no
[05:52] <Tonio_> danimo: can be an issue with the package eventually, I compiled it
[05:53] <Tonio_> I remember that the packages I found on the net were causing this kindof issue
[05:53] <Tonio_> kwwii_: okay. Riddellwould you be okay too ? I would change kds in this case
[05:53] <danimo> imbrandon: oh, and click on the screenie to see how far it is away from kfbx
[05:53] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, i've been speaking w/ him.. i'm just checking the changes...
[05:53] <Tonio_> danimo: maybe you can remove the package and compile from source
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: huh? they are from the edgy repo
[05:54] <imbrandon> danimo: yea i seeen
[05:54] <Tonio_> this is the way I did and I used it until 2 weeks ago. No vpn acces anymore since I left my company ;)
[05:54] <abattoir> Riddell: he said i could ping him... and he'd merge my changes :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> danimo: they are available now ? cool ;) I didn't figured out this
[05:54] <danimo> Tonio_: another bug to fix then
[05:55] <Tonio_> danimo: yep, can you report ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> I will give a shot to the patches provided for knm, maybe one is a bit destructive ;)
[05:55] <danimo> Tonio_: which ones?
[05:55] <Tonio_> the point is I dokn't understand why it worked for me...
[05:55] <danimo> Tonio_: issue numbers?
[05:55] <imbrandon> danimo: yea talking to Beineri now in PM
[05:55] <Tonio_> the nodialup one
[05:55] <Tonio_> maybe we removed a bit to much of code
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: dialup one?
[05:56] <Riddell> abattoir: let me test them first, we don't want him to try a merge and find problems you've overlooked :)
[05:56] <Tonio_> danimo: is the knm + vpn issue already reported ?
[05:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, spose so
[05:56] <abattoir> Riddell: sure :)
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: didn't check
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: trying to purge and reinstall the packages first
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: since I had them from an official repository before edgy
[05:56] <danimo> Tonio_: so just to be safe
[05:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: translate(spose, en_EN); please ;)
[05:57] <Tonio_> danimo: yup
[05:57] <danimo> Tonio_: odd, it's gone now
[05:57] <danimo> Tonio_: so it was not in repo :(
[05:57] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:57] <danimo> Tonio_: where did you get it then?
[05:57] <danimo> bye Hobbsee
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hope you get that autohell worked out.
[05:58] <Tonio_> danimo: ah !!! I was astonished by this :) probably first compile to check, that's the way I did
[05:58] <danimo> Tonio_: where can I get the sources?
[05:58] <Tonio_> danimo: I don't remember where... probably on the redhat svn or something since they are developped by redhat
[05:59] <Tonio_> danimo: or if you get the package, grab the tarball ;)
[05:59] <imbrandon> welcome Beineri
[05:59] <Tonio_> you may found an rpm source repo from suse eventually
[05:59] <imbrandon> danimo Riddell : i was just asking him about the kickoff code
[05:59] <Tonio_> I installed it month ago so I don't remember
[05:59] <Riddell> if I could install flash I could look at it, but guess Tonio_'s flash fix isn't in yet
[05:59] <imbrandon> Beineri: its a bit hetic in here at time, and others dead, this is one of the hetic times
[06:00] <imbrandon> Riddell: i uploaded it a few hours ago
[06:00] <imbrandon> should be in
[06:00] <imbrandon> Beineri: is the code in svn somewhere we can poke at it at all ?
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't it ? it was uploaded this morning....
[06:02] <imbrandon> Tonio_: i'll check LP now
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can install firefox, which autoinstalls flash, and then konq can use it too
[06:02] <Riddell> imbrandon, Tonio_: got it now; needed apt-get update
[06:02] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah great :)
[06:03] <nixternal> anything needing specific testing that could be dangerous...sling my way...i have created a new edgy testing monster....it is screaming for pain
[06:03] <imbrandon> nixternal: we're all perusing Beineri's blog post about a new kicker menu 50x better than kbfx it looks like
[06:03] <imbrandon> nixternal: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kickoff/sneak_preview.html  if you have flash installed
[06:04] <nixternal> i seen it
[06:04] <nixternal> it is nothing more than a hacked kbfx theme
[06:04] <imbrandon> no its lots more 
[06:04] <nixternal> kde-look has a bunch of those menus already to download
[06:04] <imbrandon> i thought that at first too
[06:04] <nixternal> i have played with them
[06:04] <imbrandon> no no
[06:04] <nixternal> pretty cool
[06:04] <nixternal> really
[06:05] <imbrandon> look at what it does, its alot more than kbfx is unless there has been a MAJOR rehaul
[06:05] <nixternal> it looks like the other menus on kde-look.org to me..actually a tad bit cleaner than most
[06:05] <imbrandon> look closer, your glancing and not paying attn
[06:06] <imbrandon> i'mtelling you having worked on the kbfx code alot, its leaps and bounds above it
[06:06] <ryanakca> imbrandon: that's sweet...
[06:07] <imbrandon> context menu's , tabs , serarch
[06:07] <imbrandon> it would be alot of code overhauls if that was kbfx
[06:07] <danimo> Tonio_: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/NetworkManager/vpn-daemons/
[06:08] <Beineri> imbrandon: it's only in our internal svn for now. but we plan to have it in openSUSE 10.2 Alpha 4...
[06:08] <imbrandon> Beineri: nice , any eat or can we maybe get a tarbal to play with ?
[06:08] <imbrandon> s/eat/eta
[06:09] <Riddell> imbrandon: if it's in opensuse you'll be able to get the source
[06:09] <imbrandon> kinda test the stability etc ( not to say you write something that will crash every click lol )
[06:09] <imbrandon> Riddell: oh i know
[06:09] <imbrandon> but not till alpha 4
[06:09] <imbrandon> heh
[06:09] <imbrandon> i have factory installed on the amd64
[06:10] <Beineri> imbrandon: eta for Alpha 4 is 7 Sep so it will land in Factory, svn.kde.org, kde-look.org some days before...
[06:10] <Beineri> stability is a good point ;-)
[06:10] <imbrandon> cool ;)
[06:10] <DaSkreech> raphink: Hallo
[06:11] <Beineri> keyboard navigation has still some flaws ;-(
[06:11] <raphink> hi DaSkreech
[06:11] <imbrandon> if its days before sept 7 then we can squeese it in possibly 
[06:11] <Beineri> and fyi, it's a big patch to Kicker itself - not some applet you can package/install separately.
[06:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> I hear you are the daddy :)
[06:11] <imbrandon> ohh very cool 
[06:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting in testing that kickoff ?
[06:12] <Beineri> imbrandon: beware of
[06:12] <Tonio_> edgy look like the good release to test new stuff no ?
[06:12] <imbrandon> Tonio_: thats what we're talking about
[06:12] <danimo> Tonio_: wow, there's a lot of gnome stuff in the openvpn plugin
[06:12] <Beineri> openSUSE has months to stabilize/bugfix it :-)
[06:12] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41033
[06:12] <nixternal> that has all the same stuff..just placed differently
[06:12] <Tonio_> danimo: yes, they are gtk based
[06:12] <DaSkreech> raphink: How do I debug an X issue with no errors?
[06:13] <nixternal> there is another one out there that isn't on kde-look as well..and it might be in the opensuse wiki actually for you to dl
[06:13] <Tonio_> all the configuration is gtk dialog, you only get a link in knm in fact
[06:13] <danimo> Tonio_: we could change that you know? :)
[06:13] <raphink> DaSkreech: what do you want to debug if there's no errors?
[06:13] <imbrandon> nixternal: no i have used the kbfx code it dosent ahve the context menus and alot of the other kio intergration
[06:13] <imbrandon> Beineri: heh yea i know
[06:14] <DaSkreech> The lack of KDE goodness?
[06:14] <imbrandon> Beineri: it could possibly be packaged as kicker2 and conflick/provide it though for an either or type thing
[06:14] <imbrandon> in the initial testing
[06:15] <danimo> imbrandon: btw: kickstart depends on beagle, at least the search part
[06:15] <imbrandon> danimo: not a problem so does kery and others
[06:15] <Beineri> danimo: what is kickstart?
[06:15] <imbrandon> kerry*
[06:15] <danimo> Beineri: wrr, kickoff
[06:15] <Beineri> Linux on Amiga?
[06:15] <imbrandon> hahaha
[06:16] <danimo> Beineri: it's tempting to confuse them. admint it!
[06:16] <Beineri> danimo: not the whole search part stuff
[06:16] <imbrandon> kio-beagle and kerry both use the beagle back end
[06:16] <danimo> imbrandon: is beagle in main now?
[06:16] <Tonio_> danimo: what do you mean by "change this" except redevelopping the full vpn modules ?
[06:16] <imbrandon> not sure but i think its on its way, if its not wouldent be hard to get it in for edgy+1 where this would target
[06:17] <danimo> Tonio_: not all of it
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Back to here :-)
[06:17] <danimo> Tonio_: but it's only two dialogs that are actually depending on gtk
[06:17] <DaSkreech> I have no errors however X will not start
[06:17] <imbrandon> danimo: seeing how mono and other mono apps are in main already no many deps would be brought in
[06:17] <Beineri> shoudln't edgy+1 include kde4 with whatever first class menu it then has? :-)
[06:17] <danimo> imbrandon: well, mono is a differen beast :)
[06:17] <danimo> Beineri: I think it's more like edgy+2 :)
[06:18] <Beineri> danimo: pessimist
[06:18] <danimo> Beineri: or will opensuse 10.3 have KDE 4 by default? :)
[06:18] <imbrandon> heh
[06:18] <Tonio_> danimo: how about the conf, doesn't it depend on gconf I think ?
[06:18] <Beineri> danimo: maybe, opensuse 10.3 is fall 2007 stuff
[06:19] <imbrandon> getting this in universe shouldnt be a problem for edgy but edgy+1 for main if at all
[06:19] <nixternal> imbrandon: ok, i can see some major differences in it..however setup/design looks very close to a kbfx menu to me...i see the added kio stuff, and some of the functions are neat...but after watching the application stuff with multiple child directories..it would become annoying if i had to go up to the top just to go back one directory..but cool nonetheless
[06:20] <danimo> Beineri: I still think Spring 2007 is rather optimisic for the final of 4.0
[06:20] <Beineri> danimo: mhm wait, what "by default" do you mean? :-)
[06:20] <imbrandon> nixternal: still better than a  kmenu circa windows 95, besides i'm sure suse r&d put lots of hours in useability in this ;)
[06:20] <danimo> Beineri: well, that's the other thing....
[06:21] <Beineri> imbrandon: sure, you know "Novell - word leading in creating usable desktop start menuS" ;-)
[06:21] <Beineri> world even
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:22] <imbrandon> yea i fell in love with slab but i hate gnome ;)
[06:22] <imbrandon> lol
[06:22] <DaSkreech> raphink: When you get a moment can you ping me or look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21402 and see if anything stands out. Thanks
[06:22] <imbrandon> well i dont hate it but .....
[06:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:22] <DShepherd> imbrandon: usp nicer in my humble opinion
[06:22] <raphink> DaSkreech: sorry I'm going to leave work now
[06:22] <imbrandon> usp ?
[06:23] <nixternal> im all about simplicity..and kmenu can't get any simpler *just made that word up*
[06:23] <DaSkreech> raphink: heading home?
[06:23] <raphink> yes DaSkreech
[06:23] <DaSkreech> will you have a moment then?
[06:23] <imbrandon> nixternal: says who? dude everyone hates the kmenu , hit kde.org once in a while ;)
[06:24] <imbrandon> xfce = simple , kde = useable ;)
[06:24] <nixternal> i like it, and im sticking to it
[06:24] <nixternal> you can't teach an old dog new tricks, well at least this one ;)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> e = short to say
[06:24] <imbrandon> sure i can when i file the main inclusion report and upload it ;)
[06:25] <imbrandon> lol
[06:25] <DShepherd> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222546 <-- usp.. hmmm.. nice
[06:25] <imbrandon> ugh forums
[06:25] <DaSkreech> Haha
[06:25] <DShepherd> hehe
[06:25] <imbrandon> ouch thats a monster and ugly
[06:26] <DShepherd> imbrandon: :-P
[06:26] <imbrandon> could they have made it any bigger ?
[06:26] <imbrandon> imho looks like a slab rippoff not as polished
[06:27] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[06:27] <DShepherd> slab sucks... really comparted to usp
[06:27] <imbrandon> hrm i guess thats why i stick with kde ;)
[06:27] <raphink> pong Tonio_
[06:28] <Tonio_> raphink: tu pourrais m'uploader un kds ?
[06:28] <Tonio_> c'est pas lourd ;)
[06:28] <raphink> Tonio_: quand je rentre chez moi
[06:28] <Tonio_> oki
[06:28] <Tonio_> je te send le mail en attendant :)
[06:28] <Tonio_> merci ma poule
[06:35] <toma> hi
[06:37] <imbrandon> heya toma
[06:37] <allee> hi toma
[06:38] <toma> anyone know what happened to xorg-dapper earlier today?
[06:38] <Mez> toma, http://ubuntudemon.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/latest-dapper-xserver-xorg-upgrade-might-break-the-xserver/
[06:39] <nixternal> heh, ubuntu-demon is going to turn his blog into the "AP" of the technology world with all that he posts ;)
[06:40] <imbrandon> he needs to consolidate some post and not spam planet with that crap imho , but thats just me, i hate to see 5 post in one day by the same person
[06:40] <imbrandon> EVERY day
[06:41] <imbrandon> that and wasent X fixed like less than an hour after it was botched ?
[06:43] <imbrandon> see that was an error of less than an hour and he gets comments like this , that pisses me off ....
[06:43] <imbrandon> i am halfway of reinstalling ubuntu when i saw this sheezzmakes me have second thought on goin back to fedoraor maybe open suse..if this ever happens again u know what distro will be in my pc.. i wanna know who is responsible for this hell? :(
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[06:43] <imbrandon> 98% of users never even say the upgrade before it was fixed
[06:43] <toma> imbrandon: even for me it took me quite some time to fix it
[06:44] <imbrandon> toma but you are one of the few that updated in that time
[06:44] <kwwii_> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/windowDecoGradient.png  & http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu_buttons.tar.bz2
[06:44] <toma> imbrandon: sure, but the result is a horrible situation, most users can not fix such a thing
[06:45] <toma> and if it hit me, it hit others ;-)
[06:50] <Tonio_> kwwii_: love that
[06:52] <DaSkreech> X sucks :-P
[06:52] <nixternal> hey, is there a way to get konversation to default to port 8001 to prevent the DCC exploit?
[06:52] <nixternal> i know there is a way
[06:52] <nixternal> bad wording there
[06:52] <nixternal> it needs to be implemented from the get go for Freenode in the default settings
[06:52] <kwwii_> Riddell: #7C67AB
[06:52] <Riddell> good idea
[06:53] <kwwii_> and #5B4B7D
[06:54] <htraki> hello to all
[06:55] <Riddell> htraki!
[06:56] <htraki> Ive problem with the new xserver-xorg-core pacakge 10.3:After upgrading wont start X11 anymore
[06:57] <htraki> My video card radeon 9250
[06:57] <htraki> Says:no screen found
[06:58] <kwwii_> Tonio_: wait till you see the new buttons in action...the animation is pretty cool now :-)
[06:58] <Tonio_> kwwii_: hehe
[06:59] <DaSkreech> htraki: Update to 10.4
[06:59] <htraki> where can I find it?
[06:59] <htraki> I use the at mirror it has only 10.3
[07:00] <Hawkwind> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:00] <Hawkwind> Most all mirrors have the new package now
[07:00] <Hawkwind> se.archive.ubuntu.com does for sure as many others do
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Mine doesn't I grabebd it from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Take a hint, use a better mirror :P
[07:01] <htraki> Which do U recommend ?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> I'm sure by tonight or tomorrow just about all of them should have it
[07:01] <Hawkwind> htraki: I use se.archive.ubuntu.com personally
[07:02] <nixternal> ubuntu-devel is a different monster thats for sure...i was just reinformed as to why i use Kubuntu as well ;)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Gets 7 years of bad luck over Hawkwind's head
[07:02] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Hah
[07:03] <htraki> thx 4 your help guys, bye
[07:15] <DaSkreech> raphink: If you have anytime ping me :)
[07:29] <imbrandon> night nigth folks , time for my nap 
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:30] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'll finish up that .hidden stuff tomarrow ( aka tonight when i wake )
[07:30] <imbrandon> c yall
[07:30] <fdoving> nite imbrandon.
[07:35] <Riddell> imbrandon_: oh yes, I spoke to keybuk and be kinday mumbled and wasn't to sure, so I think it'll be ok to upload .hidden files in / and /media and see who complains
[07:35] <DaSkreech> kwwii: I couldn't load the links you gave earlier
[07:39] <Tm_T> meh
[07:39] <Tm_T> X fails to start in edgy :p
[07:39] <kwwii> DaSkreech: what was the error?
[07:39] <DaSkreech> No error
[07:40] <DaSkreech> ust loaded up said done and I could see nothing and nothing happened
[07:40] <kwwii> DaSkreech: hrm, no idea
[07:40] <fdoving> Tm_T: which version? 
[07:41] <fdoving> Tm_T: is that on nvidia? only x-related updates i've got for a while back.
[07:42] <Tm_T> fdoving: ati
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Bah Epiphany sucks
[07:44] <Tm_T> I tried with "ati" and "radeon" driver, both ends up to "(EE) ATI(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit Failed"
[07:44] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: I'll one up you :)
[07:44] <Tm_T> ?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I've tried all drivers XGL DRI and no DRI and I get no errors on any of them but X won't start  :)
[07:45] <Tm_T> haha
[07:45] <Tm_T> glad I didn't upgrade my workstation but my sisters laptop =)
[07:45] <DaSkreech> So how do you debug something that is working but is obviously not working?
[07:46] <Riddell> new and improved kwin-style-crystal uploaded, have fun when it compiles
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Riddell: With Lubos patches? :)
[07:47] <fdoving> Tm_T: when did you update? 
[07:47] <Tm_T> fdoving: just
[07:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: ?  no
[07:47] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[07:47] <fdoving> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, 
[07:48] <fdoving> and xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-savage
[07:48] <fdoving> are the x-related updates i got just now.
[07:48] <Tm_T> I see, doesn't help I afraid
[08:02] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: ping
[08:06] <nixternal> knot2 release date?  first person to answer correctly wins....A new car!
[08:06] <Hawkwind> Today
[08:06] <nixternal> wrong
[08:06] <jjesse> this week?
[08:06] <nixternal> hahah cheater
[08:07] <nixternal> i need to know so i can finalize the EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu page so it can get published
[08:08] <Tm_T> nixternal: "knot2 is released in knot2 release day"
[08:08] <Tm_T> ;--P
[08:09] <nixternal> YOU WIN!!! send me a self addressed stamped envelope and I will send you your new car ;)
[08:09] <Tm_T> whee!
[08:09] <Tm_T> nixternal: small plastic one?or real steel? I like small steel cars :)
[08:10] <nixternal> oh, just a picture i printed
[08:10] <nixternal> ;)
[08:10] <Tm_T> bah
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: if the enevelope didn't tip you off :)
[08:19] <Tm_T> =)
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Well time to format Kubuntu. Bye bye
[08:54] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: reinstall is last last last resort
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Yes but I need to get work done and End of wednesday is cutting close
[08:55] <DaSkreech> I'll battle it out today but Tomorrow  a reinstall is second on my list
[08:56] <DShepherd> I agree
[08:56] <DShepherd> would it be too much to ask you to come for me DaSkreech??
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Lack of car
[08:57] <DShepherd> otherwise i dont see me coming into office today..and food is there..
[08:57] <DaSkreech> I can call a cab for you
[08:57] <DShepherd> :-( we have vouchers?
[08:57] <DaSkreech> We have vouchers :)
[08:57] <DShepherd> ok.. 
[08:57] <DShepherd> i'll call one then..
[08:57] <DShepherd> soon
[08:57] <DShepherd> not half ready yet
[09:15] <ryanakca> how long is it before a "Needs Info" becomes an "Aged Needs Info"
[09:15] <ryanakca> A month of no reply with more info? 2 months?
[09:16] <crimsun> 1 month is my instinct
[09:16] <crimsun> 2 months is more than generous
[09:16] <ryanakca> kk
[09:17] <ryanakca> ty
[09:25] <Beineri> wasn't here someone with Flash problems?
[09:30] <Beineri> anyway, there is now also a mpeg at the same place
[09:38] <ryanakca> How do I recommend a different icon set for kubuntu-desktop?  (I know I have poor chances of success)
[09:41] <ryanakca> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/kNeu-Screenshot-5497.html
[09:53] <danimo> Tonio_: I was mistaken: /dev/cdrom links to /dev/scd0, so it's really all sata
[09:53] <danimo> re btw :)
[12:01] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[12:02] <fdoving> amarok 1.4.2 just released. :)
[12:02] <danimo> fdoving: yeah, go upgrade the packages :)
[12:02] <fdoving> i'm on overtime, need to be in bed in -20 min.
[12:08] <fdoving> i could look at it tomorrow if it's not already done when i get home from work.
[12:08] <fdoving> now i'm off to bed.
[12:08] <fdoving> nite.