[08:34] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:34] <Burgundavia> @schedule vancouver
[08:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Vancouver: 22 Aug 09:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 05:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 13:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 13:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[08:35] <GNAM> 2 month to edgy
[12:55] <imbrandon> @schedule us/chicago
[12:55] <imbrandon> @schedule chicago
[12:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 22 Aug 11:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 07:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 15:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[02:17] <Arbiter> @schedule Europe/Rome
[02:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[04:19] <profoX`> !time Brussels
[04:20] <profoX`> (whats that command to show timezone? :)
[04:20] <Mithrandir> Brussels is UTC+2
[04:20] <Hobbsee> @time brussels
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Brussels: August 22 2006, 16:21:02 - Next meeting: Community Council in 1 hour 38 minutes
[04:21] <profoX`> oh thanks its @ :)
[04:26] <profoX`> Hobbsee: I want to put a new item on the agenda, should I add it to "General Agenda Items and Proposals" on the Community Council Agenda? and create a wiki page somewhere to explain my goal?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> profoX`: yeah, i'd say so
[04:27] <profoX`> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[04:28] <licio> @schedule Sao_Paulo
[04:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Sao_Paulo: 22 Aug 13:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 09:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 17:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 17:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 12:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:14] <Arbiter> i'll be back soon
[05:27] <DShepherd> are the logs availabke for the community council meeting that was schedule eariler?
[05:28] <Kamion> it hasn't happened yet - it's in about half an hour
[05:29] <nalioth> DShepherd: yes all this channel is logged
[05:29] <nalioth> DShepherd: you can review everything that goes on here
[05:31] <DShepherd> nalioth: where can i go to do that..
[05:31] <DShepherd> Kamion: thanks for the info
[05:31] <nalioth> DShepherd: /msg ubotu logs
[05:32] <DShepherd> nalioth: 
[05:32] <DShepherd> ok
[05:32] <DShepherd> nalioth: thanks for that information 
[05:33] <nalioth> you're welcome
[05:49] <Arbiter> @schedule Rome
[05:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[05:50] <Arbiter> phew just in time
[05:55] <ubuntu_demon> hi all
[05:56] <carthik> hey ubuntu_demon 
[05:56] <ubuntu_demon> hi carthik
[05:57] <ubuntu_demon> carthik: do we know eachother ? :)
[05:57] <tseliot> hi
[05:57] <matthew5> hello
[05:57] <carthik> ubuntu_demon, now we do :) (Was just echoing the "Hi")
[05:57] <ubuntu_demon> :-D
[05:58] <ubuntu_demon> hey tseliot , matthew5
[05:58] <dholbach> ubuntu_demon: some people started asking for your real name :-)
[05:58] <dholbach> ubuntu_demon: you keep it quite quiet :)
[05:59] <Arbiter> :)
[05:59] <carthik> ...and a real hackergotchi
[05:59] <highvoltage> ubuntu_demon: a real hackergotchi would be nice :)
[05:59] <tseliot> ubuntu_demon's real name is.... Ubuntu Demon
[05:59] <dholbach> hellas jono!
[05:59] <jono> hey dholbach :)
[05:59] <dholbach> tseliot: I don't believe you :)
[05:59] <tseliot> how come?
[06:00] <matthew5> I've seen ubuntu_demon's picture...he's red
[06:00] <matthew5> and likes sunglasses
[06:00] <ubuntu_demon> dholbach: I was present at UDS in Paris. You might have remembered my real name ;)
[06:00] <matthew5> :)
[06:00] <carthik> matthew5, does he have horns and a tail too? :)
[06:00] <dholbach> tseliot: and don't tell me you're T.S. Elliot :)
[06:00] <simira> dholbach: Roald, his host says ;)
[06:00] <matthew5> carthik, I saw the horns, can't vouch for the tail
[06:00] <tseliot> Don't you know me?
[06:00] <dholbach> ubuntu_demon: not everybody had the chance to see you there :)
[06:01] <ubuntu_demon> highvoltage , carthik : I like my present hackergothi. I also use it on the forums. People recognize it.
[06:01] <Arbiter> o.O
[06:01] <tseliot> BTW is T.S. Eliot (with one "l") ;)
[06:01] <NickGarvey> meeting is now right?
[06:02] <tseliot> yep, I guess so
[06:02] <carthik> @schedule
[06:02] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Community Council | 23 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 20:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[06:02] <Kamion> ok, ready to start?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> NickGarvey: i dont think it started yet
[06:02] <ubuntu_demon> dholbach: I prefer my privacy. There's 140.000 users on the forums. Most are very nice but some aren't (I am in no personal issues or conflicts but I'm just a bit paranoid)
[06:02] <Kamion> this is a meeting for consideration of membership candidates only
[06:02] <Kamion> so that we can catch up a bit
[06:02] <simira> Kamion: what about the other cases?
[06:02] <Kamion> other cases?
[06:03] <elmo> issues
[06:03] <Kamion> either we'll do them at the end, or we'll defer them to next time
[06:03] <simira> ok
[06:03] <Kamion> depending on how time goes
[06:03] <Kamion> I get thrown out of this meeting room in two hours, AFAIK
[06:03] <simira> 'nough chitchat, then
[06:03] <dholbach> ubuntu_demon: that's ok with me - i was just relaying :)
[06:03] <Kamion> #
[06:03] <Kamion> RolandoBlanco whitesoft
[06:03] <ubuntu_demon> dholbach: ;)
[06:04] <Kamion> oh, we should check for quorum ...
[06:04] <Kamion> mako: here?
[06:04] <Kamion> sabdfl won't be making it
[06:05] <mako> yes
[06:05] <mako> alright
[06:06] <mako> membership candidates
[06:06] <mako> rolando is not here it seems?
[06:06] <Kamion> apparently not
[06:06] <mako> Kirjanov Denis
[06:07] <Seveas> (Matthew Revell is already approved)
[06:07] <mako> Seveas: yes :)
[06:08] <mako> also, for Kirjanov Denis's future reference
[06:08] <mako> the wiki page is a bit thin and the launchpad activity for the last month is not giving me a whole lot more evidence
[06:08] <mako> so i think there's still some documentation work left to go
[06:08] <Kamion> I agree
[06:09] <Kamion> also the "solved bugs" item is in fact a support ticket
[06:09] <mako> alright, i'll find some way to note that or communicate it to Kirjanov after the meeting
[06:09] <Kamion> and the specification is just a few lines with no fleshing out in the form of a wiki page or anything
[06:09] <mako> alright.. moving on.. Carthik Sharma
[06:10] <carthik> mako, Hi.
[06:10] <mako> carthik: go ahead
[06:10] <carthik> Is it okay if I paste three lines by way of introduction?
[06:10] <carthik> I (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarthikSharma ) have triaged around 950 bugs (http://launchpad.net/people/carthik ), filed around 60, and help with the ubuntu-qa and desktop-bugs teams
[06:10] <mako> carthik: please do
[06:10] <carthik> I (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarthikSharma ) have triaged around 950 bugs (http://launchpad.net/people/carthik ), filed around 60, and help with the ubuntu-qa and desktop-bugs teams
[06:10] <carthik> oops
[06:10] <DShepherd> the meeting has started?
[06:10] <carthik> I write the Ubuntu Blog (http://ubuntu.wordpress.com ), and on the Fridge; and was the technical reviewer of Ubuntu Linux for Non Geeks, a No Starch Press publication.
[06:10] <carthik> I designed the http://ubuntu-in.org site, and am the treasurer of the LUG at UCF (http://lugatucf.org ). I try to help others on IRC whenever I can.
[06:10] <Kamion> Matthew East asked me to say of carthik:
[06:10] <Kamion> I've also been really impressed since Carthik joined the Fridge team, he is already a key contributor and a major part of the team with plenty of ideas and articles too. His blog shows that he will be central to the new Fridge team.
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[06:11] <carthik> Thanks Kamion 
[06:11] <sfllaw> carthik has been an essential and wonderful part of the BugSquad.
[06:11] <Kamion> FWIW carthik has been very helpful on ubiquity bugs
[06:11] <mako> carthik: did you do tech for the whole book?
[06:11] <Kamion> +1 from me
[06:11] <carthik> mako, yes
[06:11] <dholbach> carthik does incredible work for the BugSquad!
[06:11] <mako> carthik: stamina, cool! :)
[06:12] <gnomefreak> he is a very great help with bugs :)
[06:12] <jono> ntu :)
[06:12] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/people/carthik/+karma say a lot :)
[06:12] <carthik> I did get paid though, so that is not really "community work", mako :)
[06:12] <jono> oops
[06:12] <jono> :)
[06:12] <mako> jono: i was about to ask?
[06:12] <jono> heh
[06:12] <mako> carthik: still can be an important contribution worth considering
[06:13] <mako> anyway, loads of good stuff
[06:13] <seb128> carthik does a really good job on desktop bugs as well
[06:13] <mako> carthik: see you around for quite a while, thrilled to have you as a member :)
[06:13] <mako> carthik: where are you local to now
[06:14] <carthik> Thank you, mako.
[06:14] <carthik> Orlando, FL, mako
[06:14] <mako> carthik: saw your timezone, thought you might be near me :)
[06:14] <jono> carthik, cool I am there in late sept :)
[06:14] <carthik> If anyone wants to see mickey, I might have a couch available :)
[06:15] <DaSkreech> raphink: Some update (before the infamous Xbork) Borked my X
[06:15] <DaSkreech> I have no errors however X will not start
[06:15] <mako> i'm sure disneyworld is exactly why jono is going ;)
[06:15] <carthik> jono, cool - we could do something related at UCF (univ of central florida) or just have fun. Let me know if you need local help/cheap tickets etc
[06:15] <elmo> +1 from me too
[06:15] <jono> mako, :P
[06:15] <jono> carthik, cool :)
[06:15] <Kamion> DaSkreech: please use another channel
[06:15] <mako> carthik: welcome!
[06:15] <profoX`> DaSkreech: #ubuntu for support
[06:15] <mako> Andreas Lloyd
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Whoops ;)
[06:16] <dholbach> carthik: ROCK ON! :)
[06:16] <Seveas> carthik, gongratulations!
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Sorry finger slip
[06:16] <mako> lloydinho: ?
[06:16] <lloydinho> hi all!
[06:16] <Kamion> ... oh, that would be the person just there to my right
[06:16] <Kamion> hmm
[06:16] <lloydinho> :-)
[06:16] <Kamion> naturally I am morally obliged to say no ;-)
[06:16] <Spec> carthik: welcome
[06:16] <simira> Kamion: be nice. 
[06:16] <Kamion> (kidding, obviously)
[06:16] <lloydinho> I've used Ubuntu since november 2004, it is the only Linux distribution I've used. Using Ubuntu inspired me to do my master's thesis on the Ubuntu community. 
[06:16] <carthik> Thanks mako, Kamion, elmo, seb128, dholbach, sfllaw, gnomefreak (woot!)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> apologies all
[06:16] <gnomefreak> congrats carthik 
[06:17] <lloydinho> I am an anthropology graduate student in my final year at the University of Copenhagen, and this project has led me to a lot of other initiatives in the Ubuntu community which can be seen on my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasLloyd
[06:17] <GnuKemist> congrats carthik 
[06:17] <jono> carthik, /msg me if you can
[06:17] <lloydinho> oh, and congrats to carthik .. :-)
[06:17] <licio> carthik, welcome :)
[06:17] <raphink> welcome carthik
[06:17] <seb128> carthik: congra
[06:17] <seb128> carthik: congrat
[06:18] <ubuntu_demon> lloydinho: Was very enthousiastic on UDS. I spoke to him about his fieldwork and survey. IMHO he is a nice contribution to the Ubuntu community.
[06:18] <mako> other testimonials?
[06:18] <mako> someone from the doc team maybe?
[06:18] <lloydinho> hey, thanks ubuntu_demon. 
[06:18] <ubuntu_demon> lloydinho: np :)
[06:19] <lloydinho> I forgot to bring any cheerleaders.
[06:19] <Kamion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu is a nice piece of work
[06:19] <mako> i was JUST going to say that
[06:19] <mako> lloydinho: so, i assume you've seen or have worked from the participate page
[06:19] <mako> lloydinho: on the ubuntu website
[06:20] <nixternal> heh
[06:20] <mako> lloydinho: this seems like that page on steroids.. or perhaps what that should page should be
[06:20] <lloydinho> mako, I have. That was the inspiration for this ContributeDoc
[06:20] <mako> which begs the question.... :)
[06:20] <Kamion> access control on /participate is probably a mite too tight
[06:20] <mako> i point people to the participate page probably 5-10 times a week
[06:20] <mako> but we should have that page point there
[06:21] <Kamion> (not that it can be different really due to how www. works)
[06:21] <nixternal> CC:  let me just quickly state that Lloyd is incredibly important to documentation right now, and mdke could definitely tell you more about that. Lloyd has created a lot of cool stuff for us, including the new contribute documentation...he is a great assett to the Ubuntu community w/o a doubt!
[06:21] <mako> or something
[06:21] <Kamion> a link seems pretty reasonable, perhaps if ContributeToUbuntu moved to help.u.c
[06:21] <lloydinho> wow. thanks nixternal .
[06:21] <mako> Kamion: right, that's what i'm thinking
[06:21] <nixternal> lets not forget /mystory either
[06:21] <Kamion> mm, what's the story on mystory?
[06:21] <Kamion> first I'd heard of that, wondering who's behind that address
[06:21] <mako> lloydinho: it might be nice to think about what we can do what the participate page
[06:21] <lloydinho> it's one of the marketing projects..
[06:22] <nixternal> plus he has his cool specs from the Paris Summit as well with anthro that was cool
[06:22] <mako> lloydinho: maybe it should get smaller with just links to various sections in the new page
[06:22] <lloydinho> mako, we have discussed various ways of doing the participate page.
[06:22] <mako> lloydinho: cool :)
[06:22] <lloydinho> Working with Corey, I also redid the HelpingUbuntu wiki page
[06:23] <Kamion> anyway; +1 for contribute page, testimonial from docteam, and it seems like a good thing to bring anthropologists into the communities they're studying on general principles :)
[06:23] <mako> lloydinho: cool, i'd love to see something happen with it.. let me know and i'm happy to help you with www
[06:23] <lloydinho> We couldn't really decide whether it would be best to have a short or extended version.
[06:23] <mako> i'm happy to have you on board and i'm thrilled that you haven't done the whole detached outsider thing
[06:23] <lloydinho> Kamion, :-)
[06:23] <lloydinho> mako, that would have been boring :-)
[06:23] <Kamion> HelpingUbuntu seems substantially duplicated from ContributeToUbuntu
[06:23] <elmo> ack
[06:23] <GnuKemist> congrats lloydinho 
[06:23] <nixternal> sweet!!!   CONGRATULATIONS!!!   lloydinho ;)
[06:24] <mako> of course, you find that making meaningful contributions makes it alot easier to have the community open up to you :)
[06:24] <carthik> congrats lloydinho 
[06:24] <lloydinho> mako, that's what I've found, certainly.
[06:24] <Kamion> although it wasn't lloydinho's, I like the idea of EasyWaysToHelpUbuntu
[06:24] <Seveas> lloydinho, word!
[06:24] <AndreNoel> congrats lloydinho
[06:24] <lloydinho> thanks all!
[06:24] <Kamion> oh, who's driving launchpad today?
[06:24] <ubuntu_demon> Congrats lloydinho
[06:24] <mako> moving on.. Vidya Ayer
[06:24] <Kamion> oh yeah, mdke sent a testimonial for lloydinho too
[06:24] <svaksha> Hi All
[06:24] <AlexRocha> lloydinho Congrats! :D
[06:24] <svaksha> I am Vidya Ayer from India. My wiki page is, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Svaksha
[06:25] <Kamion> for the record:
[06:25] <Kamion> "Has contributed extremely well to the documentation team with ideas and also quite a lot of action. Again he is great to work with because of a really positive and constructive attitude. I've also seen him contribute positively to the marketing team, again providing concrete and constructive contributions."
[06:25] <elmo> I'll do launchpad
[06:25] <gnomefreak> Kamion: i dont think LP has updated in the past few days (not sure if its everything on LP)
[06:25] <Kamion> mdke says of svaksha:
[06:25] <CypherBIOS> lloydinho: congrats... and thanks for your great work on documentation
[06:25] <Kamion> "very good to work with, have come across her contributions to ubuntu-women and translation. She has recently joined the fridge team and will be an asset for us."
[06:25] <Kamion> gnomefreak: I mean membership approvals
[06:25] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:25] <mako> svaksha: go ahead
[06:25] <svaksha> Currently admin 2 lists at Linuxchix, co-wrote a Sanskrit locale with Christian Perrier (Debian) and editor at DMOZ. Having used all releases since Warty, I lurked awhile in Q1'05 and later joined the Bugsquad [https://launchpad.net/people/svaksha/+karma] , Ubuntu-Women, Marketing, Fridge, and translation teams. 
[06:25] <svaksha> Ubuntu-Women is doing well with many women (and men) contributing in the community, upstream and relevant Foss arenas. Have contributed articles to Fridge nd UWN. Plan to keep the Fridge cool and well stocked with community news, events, advocacy, articles, and other sound bytes flowing in, and think it would also be advantageous to synchronise news with grass-roots marketing in the Ubuntu community. 
[06:26] <svaksha> Time-permitting, hope to pitch in with tasks useful to the Motu's - packaging, testing, other technical details about Ubuntu, its relation with Debian and how they work in tandem. Have never missed an opportunity to advocate and spread the Ubuntu cheer (CD's), Ubuntu books, and my Ubuntu converts' list is aplenty with most folks giving positive feedback (almost always :-)) during follow-ups.  /End.
[06:26] <jono> right, I have a meeting about the joys of CRM, later all
[06:26] <svaksha> thanks mdke
[06:26] <Kamion> svaksha's wiki page looks pretty solid to me, but I need to nip out for a moment before chasing up references; BRB
[06:27] <simira> lloydinho: congrats
[06:27] <elmo> lloydinho: you don't appear to be trying to be in ubuntu-members in launchpad?
[06:28] <nixternal> heh, must have been caught up in the Ubuntu excitement ;)
[06:29] <mako> svaksha: what is your current involvement with the IN loco?
[06:30] <svaksha> not involved currently
[06:30] <mako> is there a particular reason?
[06:30] <svaksha> currently , time constraints 
[06:30] <lloydinho> elmo, I just added myself this moment
[06:30] <mako> i'm just kind of curious because it sounds like you had a hand setting it up
[06:31] <Kamion> back
[06:31] <mako> lloydinho: approved
[06:31] <svaksha> yes, but its being run equally well by others
[06:31] <mako> that's a good reason :)
[06:32] <licio> :)
[06:33] <elmo> ack for svaksha from me
[06:33] <mako> alright, i'm happy with svaksha as well
[06:33] <svaksha> thanks mako, elmo 
[06:34] <Kamion> yup, been following up references, and +1 from me - looks pretty impressive
[06:34] <mako> is Alberto Milone around?
[06:34] <tseliot> here I am
[06:34] <svaksha> i did nixternal
[06:34] <carthik> congrats svaksha 
[06:34] <tseliot> can I begin?
[06:34] <mako> tseliot: ah, you're alberto milone
[06:34] <AndreNoel> congrats svaksha
[06:34] <mako> tseliot: yes, go ahead
[06:34] <GnuKemist> congrats svaksha 
[06:34] <svaksha> thanks all
[06:34] <tseliot> My name is Alberto Milone and here is my profile on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/people/albertomilone
[06:34] <tseliot> My profile on the Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tseliot
[06:34] <tseliot> My Experience and Involvement with Ubuntu
[06:34] <tseliot> I have used Ubuntu since April 2005 when I tried it, loved it, left Windows and never looked back. One of the reasons for which I like Ubuntu is its forum, where I learnt most of the things that I know (thanks to all the people who were so kind to help me). I decided to pay back all the people who helped me by helping new (unexperienced) users, which all my guides
[06:35] <tseliot> are thought for. As a matter of fact I try explaining as many things as possible when I write my guides so that anyone can follow them, even when dealing with topics such as the recompilation of the kernel.
[06:35] <tseliot> Then I joined the Archival team on ubuntuforums.org and therefore worked on the documentation on the UDSF.
[06:35] <tseliot> I have recently become a Moderator on the Ubuntu Forums (ubuntuforums.org)
[06:35] <tseliot> Here is my profile on ubuntuforums.org:
[06:35] <tseliot> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=19388
[06:35] <tseliot> I am particularly interested in writing guides and providing support for the installation of Nvidia's proprietary drivers and for the resolution of problems with the Xserver in general (but not only).
[06:35] <mako> svaksha: did you try to joint he members team?
[06:35] <tseliot> A partial list of the guides I wrote can be found here:
[06:35] <tseliot> http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/guides.html
[06:35] <tseliot> OR in my profile on the Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Tseliot
[06:36] <ubuntu_demon> tseliot has been very valuable to the forum staff. He's also helping a lot of people with video issues.
[06:36] <tseliot> My Projects:
[06:36] <tseliot> 1) My Envy script
[06:36] <tseliot> Users very often need the latest Nvidia driver (which is usually available as an installer and not as a deb package). Being aware of all the lenght (and difficulty) of the procedures which installing the Nvidia driver from the installer implies I decided to make the process a bit easier for beginners (in addition to my guide about it).
[06:36] <svaksha> mako: no , will apply tomorrow
[06:36] <tseliot> I started a new project, which I named Envy (the Italian for Envy is "invidia"). It is a script (written in Python and packaged as a .deb file) which automates the installation of the latest Nvidia proprietary driver on Ubuntu (both Breezy and Dapper are supported). It installs all the packages needed to compile the driver and removes the restricted modules. It also offers the possibility to automatically configure the Xserve
[06:36] <tseliot> You can find it on my homepage:
[06:36] <tseliot> http://www.albertomilone.eu/europeo/nvidia_scripts1.html
[06:36] <tseliot> and on launchpad:
[06:36] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/projects/envy
[06:36] <tseliot> 2) Promoting Edubuntu at the University of Lecce (Italy)
[06:36] <tseliot> Another project of mine is that of promoting Edubuntu at the University of Lecce. According to my plans part of my thesis (for my 2nd level degree) will be about Edubuntu and the study (and teaching) of foreign languages.
[06:36] <tseliot> My Suggestions for improving Ubuntu:
[06:36] <tseliot> I have proposed the following spec for Edgy Eft:
[06:36] <tseliot> On Launchpad:
[06:36] <tseliot> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xserver-failover
[06:36] <tseliot> A detailed explanation on the Wiki:
[06:36] <tseliot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XserverFailover
[06:36] <tseliot> I have also asked the opinion of the members of Ubuntuforums.org:
[06:36] <tseliot> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201128
[06:37] <matthew5> and he was incredibly helpful today with confused users trying to figure out what happened when they updated X and it broke...tseliot posted a great and simple way to downgrade until the fix began populating te repos
[06:37] <mako> tseliot: alright, that's a bit more than a three line introduction
[06:37] <mako> :)
[06:37] <matthew5> on the forums
[06:37] <GnuKemist> svaksha sorry to hear that... congrats and get some rest ;)
[06:37] <tseliot> Sorry mako
[06:37] <tseliot> it's my character
[06:37] <tseliot> ;)
[06:37] <Kamion> tseliot: from the sound of things, envy will break on any system upgrade, if it relies on having the restricted modules removed
[06:37] <ubuntu_demon> +1 for tseliot
[06:38] <svaksha> :)
[06:38] <tseliot> Kamion: yes
[06:38] <Kamion> we are normally happy to incorporate new versions of the nvidia module into dapper-updates if asked
[06:38] <Kamion> infinity is the contact person for that
[06:38] <tseliot> really?
[06:38] <tseliot> I would be glad to help
[06:38] <tseliot> I didn't know that drivers could be updated
[06:39] <tseliot> where can I find infinity?
[06:39] <tseliot> on launchpad?
[06:39] <Kamion> it depends on the changes, but if they're targeted bug fixes, then it's possible
[06:39] <Kamion> adconrad on launchpad, infinity ere on IRC
[06:39] <Kamion> here
[06:39] <tseliot> well, the new drivers add the support for new cards
[06:39] <Seveas> tseliot, we should join forces -- I do a similar thing for ati
[06:40] <tseliot> sure
[06:40] <frodon> i confirm that tseliot is one the great support provider on ubuntuforums, he helps a lot of users each day and contributes to the UDSF project
[06:40] <tseliot> I was thinking of plugging in an ATI card too tonight
[06:40] <frodon> he's one of the great guys of the forum
[06:40] <tseliot> I'm really interested in this project
[06:41] <Kamion> talk to rodarvus about the xserver-failover stuff
[06:41] <mako> tseliot: there are other ways of providing updated drivers in packages that will allow for upgrades
[06:41] <Kamion> we already offer the safe-mode thing in gfxboot for the live CD, but it's not ideal
[06:41] <rodarvus> I just noticed the spec and subscribed to it
[06:41] <tseliot> mako:I didn't know that
[06:41] <rodarvus> tseliot, Kamion: thanks
[06:41] <Kamion> having X do it itself would be better - we didn't have time before dapper though
[06:41] <tseliot> Kamion: but the failover should work on the installed ubuntu as well
[06:42] <Kamion> tseliot: indeed - as I say doing it in the bootloader is obviously not ideal
[06:42] <ubuntu_demon> tseliot helps lots of users on the forums and he's really valuable to the forum staff. So +1 ;)
[06:42] <mako> tseliot: even if folks have to build their own drivers, they can build them as package
[06:42] <tseliot> mako: this is true for ati drivers
[06:43] <tseliot> mako: is it true for the nvidia driver as well?
[06:43] <tseliot> and without recompiling all the restricted modules?
[06:43] <Seveas> (maybe we're diverging a bit too far from the purpose of this meeting...)
[06:44] <tseliot> and without removing nvidia kernel common which would cause a driver mismatch?
[06:44] <mako> tseliot: yes, we, or others, can talk afterward
[06:44] <tseliot> Sorry Seveas
[06:44] <tseliot> Ok
[06:44] <mako> tseliot: basically, while i suspect that there are better ways of doing some of those particular things
[06:45] <mako> i'm happy to approve you just on support and forums activity alone
[06:45] <tseliot> Thanks :-D
[06:45] <ubuntu_demon> mako : great
[06:45] <mako> i think i've seen you post in basically every thread i've ever gone to in the forums :)
[06:45] <elmo> yeah, ack
[06:45] <tseliot> mako: LOL
[06:45] <GnuKemist> congrats tseliot 
[06:46] <Kamion> with regard to the kernel compilation guide, /usr/src/linux is explicitly disrecommended by Linus these days - I'd suggest just using the user's home directory
[06:46] <tseliot> thanks
[06:46] <AndreNoel> congrats tseliot
[06:46] <tseliot> Kamion: I know we should use fakeroot
[06:46] <tseliot> I'll change that
[06:46] <tseliot> AndreNoel: thanks
[06:46] <Kamion> anyway, yeah, I'm with mako on this - I do think you should be more forthright about contacting developers with problems rather than working around them sometimes, but what you've done seems pretty good
[06:46] <Kamion> so I'm happy for membership
[06:47] <elmo> excuse me, I have to go and be human pack horse, brb
[06:47] <Kamion> well, as well as working around them, depending :)
[06:47] <tseliot> Kamion: I'd be glad to work with them
[06:47] <frodon> congrats tseliot 
[06:47] <tseliot> instead of working around them
[06:47] <tseliot> frodon: thanks :-)
[06:47] <matthew5> congrats, tseliot 
[06:47] <ubuntu_demon> tseliot: congrats :)
[06:47] <tseliot> matthew5: thanks and good luck
[06:48] <mako> tseliot: yeah, the general takeaway is that you should probably contact the maintainer responsible for every issue you've written scripts to work around because in some situations you'll find that there's an easier solution and in others you'll find that it's a bug or something that can be fixed in the package itself :)
[06:48] <tseliot> ubuntu_demon: thanks.
[06:48] <tseliot> mako: ok, I'll do that
[06:48] <mako> AndreNoel: you are up
[06:48] <tseliot> I just didn't dare bothering them
[06:48] <AndreNoel> alright
[06:48] <AndreNoel> My name is Andre Noel, born and living in Brazil. Graduated from Maringa State University in Computer Science in 2005. Married since 2005.
[06:48] <AndreNoel> Been involved with Open Source since 2002, and more especifically with the Brazilian community since May 2006, thanks to incentive from OgMaciel. Started as a translator for the Brazilian Team and recently being appointed as one of the administrators of the team.
[06:49] <AndreNoel> I'm one of the administrators of Ubuntu Brazilian Portuguese Translators Team and I wanna help this team to grow in quantity an quality. To help in the use (and reuse) of rosetta, and in news improvements to it.
[06:49] <Kamion> tseliot: we normally don't mind :-)
[06:49] <mako> tseliot: the same people will get bug reports when upgrades fail :)
[06:49] <tseliot> ok, got it ;)
[06:49] <mako> tseliot: easier to deal with the issue up front :)
[06:50] <mako> AndreNoel: why AndreNoel3?
[06:50] <AndreNoel> i don't know
[06:50] <AndreNoel> it was auto
[06:50] <AndreNoel> it's my login on wiki
[06:51] <Kamion> the auto-import-everybody-we've-heard-of thing did that sometimes
[06:51] <CypherBIOS> mako: it's the default sugestion of Launchpad for existent wiki
[06:51] <CypherBIOS> I wold like say some words about AndreNoel;
[06:52] <CypherBIOS> may I?
[06:52] <CypherBIOS> He is a active member of Brazilian Community, one of majoritaries translators that is working very hard to make the Ubuntu 100% tranlated for Brazilian Portuguese, and making a excelent job.
[06:53] <AndreNoel> tks CypherBIOS!
[06:53] <CypherBIOS> Also, he works in the Brazilian Wiki <http://wiki.ubuntubrasil.org>, making some usefull pages and Faqs, with the Brazilian Documentation Team.
[06:53] <GnuKemist> mako elmo Kamion AndreNoel has become a very important part for the administration of the brazilian team as well as the community as a whole.  He is genuinely interested in bringing Ubuntu to the brazilian masses with a 100% translated system and has become extremelly active advocating Linux in his community.  I completely stand behind his candidacy.
[06:54] <AndreNoel> tks GnuKemist
[06:54] <CypherBIOS> Your work (AndreNoel) extends to the mailling lists, where he help and guide much users and new translators
[06:54] <GnuKemist> AndreNoel you deserve it my friend
[06:55] <AlexRocha> I agree with what CypherBIOS and GnuKemist said
[06:55] <sfair> as a member of Brasiliam Documentation Team +1 for opinions about AndreNoel
[06:56] <mako> ok.. lots of translations
[06:56] <AndreNoel> tks AlexRocha and sfair
[06:56] <mako> i'm happy with membership based on translations testimonials
[06:56] <CypherBIOS> AndreNoel: somebody forgot something? AndreNoel is a autor of Brazilian Ubuntu Planet
[06:56] <AndreNoel> hehe
[06:56] <GnuKemist> ;)
[06:56] <AndreNoel> recently listed on topcontributors
[06:57] <AndreNoel> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[06:57] <GnuKemist> mako he goes beyond just performing translations, but also spends a lot of his time sharing his knowledge with volunteers
[06:57] <CypherBIOS> yep, one of Top Contribuitors in Launchpad too
[06:57] <mako> alright: Kamion, elmo ?
[06:58] <Kamion> seems to be well above the level we normally require from translators
[06:58] <Kamion> so +1 from me
[06:58] <AndreNoel> :)
[06:58] <Kamion> (and obviously coordination types are always welcome)
[06:58] <Kamion> thanks for your attested work there
[06:58] <AndreNoel> thank you
[06:58] <GnuKemist> Kamion and he is really good at coordinating
[06:59] <bit_doidao> mako and all, i confirm the good job of AndreNoel :)
[06:59] <AndreNoel> tks bit
[06:59] <mako> #
[06:59] <mako> LorenzoVillani Arbiter
[06:59] <mako> you're up
[06:59] <Arbiter> it's me
[06:59] <Arbiter> Hi i'm Lorenzo Villani and I use ubuntu since version 5.04.
[06:59] <Arbiter> After trying Ubuntu I immediately loved it. Awesome community, awesome technical choices and clear development-model.
[06:59] <Arbiter> I'm now helping by doing some packaging stuff, translation work and I help new users to get into the Ubuntu (and Linux) world.
[06:59] <Arbiter> I'm also spreading the work about Ubuntu (and Linux in general) here in Florence.
[06:59] <Arbiter> Packages i've made: colorscheme, agave, kdocker - working: libgimp-cil, debian-servicemenu, attach-to-email-servicemenu
[06:59] <Arbiter> Translation work is listed at: https://launchpad.net/people/arbiter/+translations
[06:59] <Arbiter> My future plans are to become firstly an Ubuntu Member (that's why I'm here ;-) ), then a MOTU and (why not?) a Core-Dev :)
[06:59] <Arbiter> ...and improve kubuntu and make the PackageCandidates list shorter and become part of the Italian LoCo Team (currently waiting for approvation) :)
[07:00] <mako> Arbiter: how long have you been working on packages?
[07:00] <GnuKemist> mako, what is the outcome for AndreNoel?
[07:01] <Seveas> GnuKemist, elmo isn't back yet so still 'pending'
[07:01] <GnuKemist> Seveas gotcha
[07:01] <Arbiter> two months as far as i remember
[07:01] <mako> GnuKemist: waiting for elmo?
[07:01] <elmo> sorry
[07:01] <mako> Arbiter: that's the bare minimum of what i'd like to see for demonstration of a sustained contribution
[07:02] <mako> Arbiter: for membership of course
[07:02] <elmo> ack from me for AndreNoel 
[07:02] <GnuKemist> AndreNoel congrats!!!
[07:02] <Arbiter> mako: my translation work is more than my packaging work
[07:02] <AndreNoel> tks elmo
[07:02] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter has done a good job on packages, and I really appreciate the fact that he wants to reduce the PackageCandidates page :)
[07:02] <mako> right
[07:02] <AlexRocha> AndreNoel Congrats! :D
[07:02] <AndreNoel> tks friends
[07:02] <tseliot> Congrats
[07:02] <Arbiter> i've started making packages a short time ago...
[07:02] <CypherBIOS> AndreNoel: congrats my friend!
[07:03] <bit_doidao> AndreNoel, very well! congrats!
[07:04] <Riddell> Arbiter: what plans do you have to improve kubuntu?
[07:04] <bit_doidao> CypherBIOS, good work on AptOnCd! im just leraning python with it :)
[07:04] <Arbiter> Riddell: at first: there are a lots of packages in Kubuntu Candidates
[07:04] <Arbiter> (for universe)
[07:05] <Arbiter> i want to make them and get them into universe as soon as possible
[07:05] <mako> i'm not sure my personal threshold has been reached by the information linked to from the wiki alone
[07:05] <mako> are there testimonials here for Arbiter 
[07:05] <Riddell> Arbiter: cool, give us a ping on #kubuntu-devel if there's stuff to be reviewed
[07:05] <Arbiter> my plan is to become a kubuntu-member too
[07:06] <mako> Arbiter: membership doesn't need to proceed major contributions
[07:06] <mako> Arbiter: and in fact, shouldn't
[07:06] <mako> it's the other way around
[07:07] <mako> Arbiter: unless there are people we know here who will give testimonials, i think we should pass this week
[07:07] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga?
[07:08] <mako> Kamion: :)
[07:08] <Kamion> I guess one of your links just became out of date ;)
[07:08] <Arbiter> Kamion: heh :D
[07:09] <mako> Arbiter: want to wait until for hte next meeting or so? we've go to wrap up
[07:09] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, yep, I wrote a few words already :)
[07:09] <mako> i set this as a 1h meeting :)
[07:09] <Arbiter> mako: Gloubiboulga is my only testimonial
[07:09] <mako> which is now into its 68th meetiinute :)
[07:09] <Arbiter> Hobbsee has gone to bed... so...
[07:09] <Kamion> I don't really have a strong opinion - I think Arbiter's making pretty good progress
[07:10] <mako> in fairness to others, i'd really like to see a couple testimonials from people who have worked with him, reviewed packages
[07:11] <Gloubiboulga> mako, I did
[07:11] <mako> Gloubiboulga: are you the only one?
[07:11] <Gloubiboulga> mako, the only one present here I guess
[07:11] <Arbiter> others were bddebian and sistpoty iirc
[07:11] <Arbiter> plus Hobbsee
[07:12] <mako> Gloubiboulga: i'm not ignoring you, i appreciate your comments :)
[07:13] <mako> Arbiter: even emailed testimonials would be good
[07:13] <Gloubiboulga> mako, his work on packages was really good, and het get 3 packages uploaded quite quickly
[07:13] <simira> bddebian is online and active
[07:14] <Gloubiboulga> hello bddebian :)
[07:14] <Arbiter> :)
[07:14] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[07:16] <mako> bddebian: hi, we're talking about Arbiter's application for membership
[07:16] <mako> i'd really like to touch on the other candidates
[07:16] <mako> i am already 15 minutes for another appointment and want to give everyone a chance
[07:17] <mako> can we move on for a second?
[07:17] <mako> matthew5: can you go quickly?
[07:17] <Arbiter> no problem for me
[07:17] <matthew5> I'll try
[07:17] <matthew5> Here's a short bil
[07:17] <matthew5> bio
[07:17] <bddebian> Well he has been active on REVU
[07:17] <mako> Arbiter: cool, thanks for being patient
[07:17] <matthew5> I am a writer by trade, currently working on a self-funded research project in Morocco looking at Moroccan Arabic humor and how it reveals culture. I have a degree from the University of Arizona in Education and Social Sciences and have never worked in a tech-related field. I have been a teacher, a language school administrator, and done a ton of other stuff as well. I'm 36, married with 3 kids. My Ubuntu experien
[07:17] <matthew5> ce began in April 2005 when I bought a linux magazine with a Hoary cd in it. I set up a dual boot with WinXP and found myself using Ubuntu about 95% of the time within a couple of weeks.
[07:17] <matthew5> I had lots of questions at the beginning and got help for all of them in the Ubuntu Forums. As time passed I noticed others asking similar questions or questions about things I had just figured out so I started answering them as a way to give back to the community. I was asked to be a part of the forum staff, and while I was honored I turned down the offer the first time as I didn't feel like I had learned enough 
[07:17] <matthew5> to be really helpful. Time passed and I continued to try to help when and where I could feeling like I had received so much at no cost to myself I should give something back. I was asked again to join the staff and was convinced. That was in March 2006. The rest is in my wiki and launchpad pages.
[07:18] <matthew5> sorry, more than 3 lines...
[07:18] <tseliot> Matthew is a very active member and a very diplomatic moderator of ubuntuforums.org. He manages to keep the tension low and avoid flamewars (a great gift indeed). He is a real peace maker ;)
[07:19] <matthew5> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Matthew5
[07:19] <ubuntu_demon> matthew5: has been really valuable to the forum staff. He also helps a lot of users on the forums. +1
[07:19] <matthew5> https://launchpad.net/people/matthelmke
[07:19] <Kamion> matthew5: in dapper you shouldn't need vga=771 any more, we hope
[07:19] <mako> any other testimonials for matthew5?
[07:19] <matthew5> I don't. I should update that
[07:19] <Kamion> (since we changed the default console resolution)
[07:20] <matthew5> I did for hoary and breezy, thoug
[07:20] <matthew5> though
[07:20] <tseliot> frodon?
[07:20] <Kamion> so the non-forums contributions are a bit light, but being invited to join staff clearly indicates you were being useful on the forums :)
[07:21] <matthew5> I freely admit the non-forums contribs are few
[07:21] <matthew5> I hope I've been a bit helpful on the forums, though
[07:21] <matthew5> I try
[07:21] <tseliot> Kamion: he is an invaluable help on the forum
[07:22] <ubuntu_demon> I agree with tseliot
[07:22] <Kamion> matthew5: yep, not a criticism, just a comment
[07:22] <matthew5> Kamion, that's how I took it :)
[07:23] <mako> the forums contributions are impressive
[07:23] <mako> you've got my support for membershi
[07:23] <matthew5> thank you
[07:23] <elmo> yeah, ack
[07:23] <ubuntu_demon> I gotta go
[07:23] <ubuntu_demon> sorry guys
[07:24] <matthew5> elmo, thanks
[07:24] <mako> alright then :)
[07:24] <tseliot> ubuntu_demon: bye
[07:24] <bddebian> mako: +1 for Arbiter from me.  He has several packages sitting on review.  I unfortunately have only had a chance to review a couple so far as we are behind on reviewing but seem to be well done.
[07:25] <mako> NealBussett ?
[07:25] <Kamion> +1 for matthew5, after following up on forums contributions
[07:25] <matthew5> Kamion, thank you
[07:25] <mako> alright
[07:25] <mako> Ahmad Muammar ''y3dips''?
[07:27] <mako> alright then
[07:27] <mako> that's the list
[07:27] <mako> thanks folks for showing up.. 
[07:27] <mako> Arbiter: still around?
[07:27] <Arbiter> yeah
[07:27] <Arbiter> reading
[07:27] <Arbiter> :)
[07:28] <Arbiter> thanks bddebian && Gloubiboulga :)
[07:29] <mako> Arbiter: personally, i'd feel better if we waited until the next meeting..
[07:29] <Arbiter> no problem :)
[07:29] <mako> Arbiter: you've done lots of good work though, and i don't feel too strongly 
[07:30] <mako> Arbiter: so if there's a rush, we can do it now
[07:30] <mako> Arbiter: cool then, lets put you first for the next meeting :)
[07:30] <mako> Arbiter: and see if we can scare up a couple more testimonials
[07:30] <Arbiter> heh :D
[07:30] <mako> Arbiter: cool, see you next time :)
[07:30] <mako> elmo, Kamion: and you two as well
[07:31] <Seveas> mako, when will 'next time' be?
[07:31] <Arbiter> see you too mako :)
[07:31] <mako> two weeks from today?
[07:31] <elmo> two weeks from today - time to be determined
[07:31] <Seveas> can I suggest doing it a bit early
[07:31] <mako> earlier in the day?
[07:31] <Seveas> yes
[07:31] <mako> that's fine.. but if we go too much ealier, i won't be able to make it
[07:31] <mako> like more than 4-5h
[07:31] <Seveas> the past few meetings have been unfair to nz/au
[07:31] <mako> we can also go much later
[07:31] <elmo> sabdfl won't be around
[07:32] <elmo> so it'll need to be us 3 again
[07:32] <Arbiter> can the CC be at the same hour of this one? :)
[07:32] <mako> if sabdfl doesn't konw he can be there, we should plan it so that i can be there
[07:32] <elmo> but anytime (up until about 1am UTC is fine by me)
[07:32] <gnomefreak> what about 1800 utc?
[07:32] <elmo> (and from about 5am UTC)
[07:32] <Seveas> @now melbourne
[07:32] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Melbourne: August 23 2006, 03:32:53 - Current meeting: Community Council
[07:32] <mako> Arbiter: we could even do 20UTC
[07:32] <mako> or 21UTC
[07:33] <Kamion> ditto elmo although I'd find 5am UTC pretty unpleasant
[07:33] <Seveas> late utc would be early AU, might work as well
[07:33] <Kamion> 1am is fine as long as it doesn't go on too long
[07:33] <mako> ok. lets do 21UTC then
[07:33] <gnomefreak> im trying to think when the kubuntu meetings are i know they are right around 4pm est
[07:33] <mako> or even 22UTC
[07:33] <Seveas> 22UTC would be 8am
[07:33] <Seveas> might be better than 21 ;)
[07:33] <mako> that sounds reasonable
[07:34] <Kamion> ok
[07:34] <mako> ok, 22UTC two weeks from today
[07:34] <mako> Seveas: going to remove approved candidates?
[07:34] <gnomefreak> the 5th at 22utc?
[07:34] <Seveas> move to 'approved' ;)
[07:34] <elmo> oh, talking of candidates
[07:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: 21UTC usually
[07:34] <elmo> we should probably trim the LP list
[07:35] <elmo> and just remove anyone who's been on there > 2 months
[07:35] <elmo> does that sound reasonable?
[07:35] <Seveas> it does to me
[07:35] <gnomefreak> Riddell: yeah and hobbsee complains its too early ;) lol
[07:35] <Kamion> yes
[07:35] <Kamion> they can always reapply
[07:36] <elmo> ok
[07:37] <Arbiter> mako: i don't need to paste my intro next time, right? :D
[07:38] <gnomefreak> why not get the people to back you by emailing one of the CC
[07:39] <Kamion> I'd prefer that just be a fallback option in case people can't make it to the meeting - it gets hard to track otherwise
[07:39] <Kamion> though I don't mind it if people can't make it
[07:40] <mako> gnomefreak: they can email community-council
[07:40] <mako> then it goes to everyone
[07:40] <gnomefreak> oh
[07:50] <Seveas> urgh -- wiki being dog-slow :/
[07:50] <elmo> there's a lot of people subscribed to cc agenda that slows it down
[07:54] <Seveas> all pages are slow 
[07:54] <Seveas> anyway -- edit done. I alos added the date-people-added-themselves to all member candidates and locoteams
[08:41] <profoX`> @schedule Brussels
[08:41] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Brussels: 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[09:10] <profoX`> Are the topics on the technical board meeting open for everyone to talk about? I added an item to the agenda and of course I'd like to defend it next meeting.
[09:38] <Lure> profoX`: yes, TB is open for everyone
[09:38] <profoX`> Lure: ok, cool
[09:38] <profoX`> (thanks)
[10:56] <Sergi0>