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bddebianHeya gang01:02
welshbyteello bddebian01:05
bddebianHi welshbyte01:05
LaserJockhi bddebian01:06
bddebianHeya LaserJock01:06
welshbytebddebian: does gnu-smalltalk still need packaging from upstream?01:06
bddebianwelshbyte: afaik01:06
welshbytei might have a look at it for a challenge01:08
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welshbytei spoke too soon - pc just died and won't boot :/01:21
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crimsunwell, you wanted a challenge.01:22
bddebianI think my Dapper laptop is dying too :-(01:22
crimsunno greater challenge than "machine won't boot"01:22
welshbytecrimsun: indeed, nothing's ever as easy as you expect it to be01:22
bddebianYeah, like this freakin' diacanvas2 crap :-(01:25
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crimsunyeah, that'll backfire quickly.01:32
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LaserJocktseng: "we, we, we"01:37
tsengyeah serious01:37
bddebianshould: pkg-config pygtk-2.0 return something?01:37
LaserJockit's imperative that we break our machines, NOW!01:38
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tsengcan someone else jump in here01:44
tsengbefore I get cranky01:44
tsengno one wants that.01:44
crimsunjust walk away from it; it's not worth the energy.01:44
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tsenggood time for dinner01:44
crimsunbddebian: just ``pkg-config pygtk-2.0''?01:45
bddebiancrimsun: I read the man page, thanks01:46
crimsun(it returns 0 here)01:46
welshbyteah, it was the graphics card01:49
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bddebiancrimsun: Actually it was using pkg-config --variable codegendir pygtk-2.001:57
crimsunbddebian: (correct, hence my question)01:58
crimsunwithout passing any additional parameters it'll just return 001:58
bddebianWell the way I read that first, I though it was setting codegendir that way :-)01:58
bddebianThis shit is crazy02:06
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bddebianDamnit, it's just write_source that it can't import from codegen..02:32
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bddebian>>> from codegen import write_source02:42
bddebianTraceback (most recent call last):02:42
bddebian  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?02:42
bddebianImportError: cannot import name write_source02:42
bddebianShould that tell me something?02:42
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illovaehello :)02:42
crimsunbddebian: did you set the path and everything?02:42
bddebiancrimsun: I can import just about everything else from codegen02:47
bddebianHello illovae02:48
crimsunbddebian: did you file a bug on pygobject?02:48
bddebiancrimsun: How do I know that's what it is?02:49
crimsunwhat file owns the one where the error is thrown?02:49
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bddebiancrimsun: Or did you mean what package?02:53
crimsunI meant which package.02:54
crimsunroot@adhd:/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/gtk-2.0# dpkg -S dsextras.py02:54
crimsunpython-gobject: /usr/share/python-support/python-gobject/gtk-2.0/dsextras.py02:54
bddebianHmm, not python-gtk2-dev?02:55
bddebian>>> print codegendir02:55
crimsunlook at the file where write_source is [attempted to be]  imported02:56
crimsunthat's /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/gtk-2.0/dsextras.py , which is owned by python-gobject, whose source package is pygobject02:56
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crimsunI checked pygobject upstream cvs early this morning and noticed more interface & implementation updates beyond 2.11.2, but I have not attempted to build it02:58
bddebiancrimsun: Not afaict from running setup.py by hand02:58
bluefoxicyI just made the coolest bug report ever02:59
bddebianbluefoxicy: Do you do anything besides file bugs?02:59
crimsunbddebian: interesting. So was that through pbuilder login?02:59
bddebiancrimsun: Aye02:59
crimsunhe messes with specs.02:59
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bluefoxicybddebian: no, well yes but it also involves talking a lot02:59
bddebianSo I've noticed :)03:00
bluefoxicybddebian: I just filed a 5 word long bug that says wine segfaults03:00
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bluefoxicycrimsun:  latest specs messed with:  EdgyPlusOneToolchainRoadmap; RapidReboot03:02
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bddebiancrimsun: Hmm, I think it's failing from dsextras trying to bring in codegen, not from setup.py trying to bring it in03:09
crimsunhi. that's what I've been saying since last night.03:09
crimsunfile the bug against pygobject.03:09
bddebiancrimsun: Well I'm a little dumb, what can I say03:09
crimsunno, not dumb.03:10
bddebianYes, dumb03:11
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:19
bddebianWhy do we have pygobject and Debian has python-gtk2 having dsextras.py?03:19
crimsunpretty straightforward, because Debian doesn't have the pygobject source package.03:21
crimsun(and if you'll note in upstream cvs, pygobject was split out for easier maintenance)03:22
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fbondremind me:03:23
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fbondwho do I need to talk to to get a line added to /etc/services?03:23
crimsunyou beg n' plead with the maintainers of netbase.03:23
crimsunideally you need to get something verified upstream upstream.03:24
ryanakcacrimsun: still no response from Mr. Lai about changing the name of gnome-clipboard-daemon, going on to day 18 since the e-mail... wait till the months end or ???    http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=281203:24
crimsunryanakca: 30 days is at least courteous.03:24
ryanakcacrimsun: kk :)03:24
fbondmaybe I could just upload a new netbase package to revu :)03:30
ajmitchhi zul_03:30
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fbondcrimsun, given maintainer listed for netbase is a debian maintainer, does my package need to go into debian for an extra /etc/services line to be feasible?03:32
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crimsunfbond: that would be most useful03:32
bddebiancrimsun: OK, OK, I give up :-)03:37
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bddebianWb LaserJock03:41
LaserJockthanks bddebian03:41
ajmitchhello LaserJock03:41
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Quinn_Stormhey guys, I only just got the message inviting me here from the ubuntu forums, which I almost never read (compiz.net is plenty to keep me busy, heh) so...hi03:45
ajmitchhello Quinn_Storm03:45
bddebianHello Quinn_Storm03:46
Quinn_Stormalso, to those to whom it matters, I have already talked with the maintainer who did the gnome-terminal upload, and messes like that won't happen again03:47
ajmitchhow can we help?03:47
Quinn_Stormwell apparently, according to the message, you guys wanted to meet with me?03:48
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Quinn_StormViper550 wrote it..."The MOTU team would like to meet you, come by on #ubuntu-motu on Freenode and we'll discuss further."03:49
LaserJockhi ajmitch03:49
ajmitchah, viper55003:49
tsenghe is a little overly excited03:49
Quinn_StormI see03:49
ajmitchhaving working packages in edgy is still appreciated though03:50
Quinn_Stormwell, the packages in my repo should be okay...I still haven't switched gconf over, that's about the only thing.  beyond that, the packages build-deps should be exactly right, etc.03:51
ajmitchthere are still a few issues, like being a native package (no orig.tar.gz) but versioned with a debian revision03:53
trpr_*repeat after connection trouble* two libs are missing from the kdejava build. the developer reports this is because of some automake/libtool bug, but the libs can be produced after the fact with only qtjava.jar/koala.jar and a clean kdebindings source tree. how should i proceed with something like this?03:53
trpr_as far as i can tell kdejava apps can't be packaged without these two libs03:53
Quinn_Stormhmm, resolving that should be done too...I should probably switch from davidr's-0quinn# to davidr's.# for my release versioning03:54
Quinn_Stormthe -0xxx is actually a holdover from the very first packaging, which I didn't even do03:54
ajmitch-0ubuntu1 is normal for something in ubuntu that's not in debian03:55
ajmitchI saw that there's someone in debian working on compiz packages now also03:55
Quinn_Stormyeah, true, though I thought non-'native' was only for packages where the maintainer wasn't the manager of the source tree (i.e. where there were changes between source tree & package)03:55
ajmitchunless the package is specifically for debian/ubuntu, it's best not to use native packages03:56
Quinn_Stormwell I'll still have to change my versioning scheme...it'll have to be davidr's.#-0ubuntu1 instead of davidr's-0quinn#03:57
tsengQuinn_Storm: pittsburgh eh03:57
Quinn_Stormyep, tseng03:57
bddebianHmm, I was just in Pittsburgh03:57
Quinn_Stormah, cool03:58
ajmitchit'd be nice to have the core code being the same & being able to ship extra plugins03:58
tsengbddebian too03:58
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Quinn_Stormwell, let me run a quick diff of the core code, that way we can see what all will need changed...actually I don't think its a lot03:58
ajmitchI didn't think it was much03:59
ajmitchis davidr back coding on compiz yet?03:59
Quinn_Stormno git commits yet03:59
tsengwhat is the R for by the way04:00
tsengi have a terrible time keeping david r and david zeuthan straight04:00
tsengfor some reason they kept showing up at the same time at guadec04:00
tsengor something04:00
Quinn_Stormajmitch: the only other issue with shipping extra plugins will be that some of the quinn-tree modified plugins are the same name as the vanilla plugins...so I'm guessing we'll have to use diversions to manage that? so we can have a compiz-quinn that installs atop compiz and diverts the things that conflict?04:01
ajmitchdiversions are ugly & nasty, but it's a possibility04:02
tsengis there a compelling reason to ship modifications over upstream, where upstream rejects them?04:02
Quinn_Stormso far upstream has been -very- reluctant to accept any community code04:03
tsengdo they offer a reason?04:03
Quinn_Stormwell they is he, davidr, and its unclear at the moment, not to mention he's been MIA for about 3 weeks now04:04
Quinn_Stormokay, it seems there are only a couple real patches in the core code now.  #1 is a patch to add the raise window binding (I think this one just hasn't made it upstream yet), #2 is Xinerama support (davidr is opposed to Xinerama), #3 is the gl_include_inferiors & such AIGLX-compat patches, they just haven't made it upstream yet either, #4 is the libsvg_cairo->librsvg patch, which actually, I'm not sure how much it affects 04:07
Quinn_Stormn stuff, #5 is version numbering stuff, and #6 is a tiny little patch to add an externally available function for moveInputFocusToWindow04:07
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Quinn_Stormoh and the #define for paint_window_decoration_mask is in compiz.h, a minor change, and technically can be moved elsewhere but should probably stay there since it is used by various plugins.  (it doesn't change the functioning of the core)04:13
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LaserJockhi imbrandon04:15
bddebianHeya imbrandon04:15
Quinn_Stormso, what do you think I should do about the core changes?  Xinerama is very important, so are the aiglx patches, the switch from libsvg-cairo to librsvg is important because librsvg is maintained, the version numbering stuff of course is meaningless if I just change the configure.ac version instead (add a minor minor version)04:18
ajmitchare the applied directly or split out as patches in the package?04:19
Quinn_Stormthey are currently applied directly04:19
Quinn_Stormbecause I maintain a source tree04:19
imbrandonmoins LaserJock ajmitch bddebian04:21
ajmitchhello imbrandon04:21
ajmitchQuinn_Storm: you fel that your branch is stable enough to put into edgy? I know it's been changing fairly quickly04:22
Quinn_Stormthe trouble is...no, I don't...and I don't see it stopping changing any time soon either...the community I work with are...rather rapid about their developments...04:22
ajmitchright, that's why I was considering putting davidr's branch in, which I packaged a couple of weeks back04:23
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Quinn_Stormonce he comes back, his development will continue, but I still doubt he'll accept things from the community...especially things like Xinerama, which is a deal-breaker for those who use it04:24
ajmitchhe felt that xinerama was out of place?04:24
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Quinn_Stormhe wants to write his own solution instead of using xinerama04:24
Quinn_Stormhe has repeatedly claimed it will be here "real soon now"04:25
ajmitchthat does get annoying for those of us who wait for it04:25
Lathiathow do you replace xinerama04:25
Lathiatso all the logic applications use to figure out the screens will be broken?04:26
ajmitchLathiat: yes04:26
ajmitchbut the window manager can still place things04:26
Quinn_Stormthus, the community has gone with xinerama, less wait, more functionality04:26
ajmitchhowever gtk+ & other toolkits use xinerama as well04:26
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Quinn_Stormas for my compiz core, I doubt it will change any faster than davidr's, it'd just be plugin changes, bugfixes, updates...the one problem though would be maintaining the tree, as at the moment the whole thing is built as one source package->multiple binaries...I'd have to split it out into more than one source tree...04:30
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Quinn_Stormthe other problem with splitting plugins out into a different source tree is gconf schemas...they are done programatically instead of by hand...04:40
ajmitchsplitting the source shouldn't take too much, it'd be nice to coordinate that with davidr if he's willing04:40
Quinn_StormI could try, but I have a feeling that working toward packaging on a particular distro isn't one of his major goals04:41
ajmitchit could benefit other distros though04:41
Quinn_Stormreally though...updates to compiz itself have slowed down, they're down to about one per week now (and updating compiz itself along with the plugins is minor, the plugins make up the bulk of the package)04:42
ajmitchit'd require some versioning & a stable interface between core & plugins - most of that is there04:42
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Quinn_Stormwell, what I could do is break -all- of the plugins out into a separate tree+package, leaving just compiz and gnome-window-decorator in the core tree...(we haven't touched gnome-window-decorator, its back to its pristine upstream version)...that way I could still keep the gconf schemas in sync...04:47
ajmitchthat could be good04:47
ajmitchsigh, launchpad going down for 3.5 hours.. that's quite awhile04:48
Quinn_Stormthen the compiz src package would build compiz and compiz-gnome-integration (optional, you could use cgwd instead), and the plugins package (required by -gnome-integration and cgwd) would carry all the plugins...at least that way the core could change slower than the plugins...04:48
bddebianYeah, wtf? :-(04:49
Quinn_StormI'd just have to keep the core up to date whenever the ABI changes with Conflicts lines (same w/ plugins with a proper Depends line)04:49
ajmitchQuinn_Storm: it'd be nice if users didn't have to specify the gconf plugin to start with04:49
Quinn_Stormajmitch: well that would be a simple hack to the compiz script...its already started by a script04:49
bddebianUgh, this typo3 package is hideous too :-(04:49
ajmitchyes, I was thinking about that this morning - do all plugins currently require gconf?04:50
Quinn_Stormnone of them require it, but its the only plugin that actually handles configuration options right now04:50
Quinn_Stormcompiz was designed with a system-agnostic configuration system, and then only one plugin was ever written for it (gconf)04:50
Quinn_StormI should probably make the compiz.wrapper (/usr/bin/compiz) script actually call compiz --replace gconf, if no options are specified on the command line...does that make sense?04:51
Quinn_Stormthe wrapper script of course is to do the LD_PRELOADing that ati & nvidia users need04:51
Quinn_StormI should have it test for aiglx somehow too...04:51
ajmitchI was thinking this morning that you could source config options from ~/.compiz.conf or similar04:51
ajmitchso that users can override loading gconf04:51
Quinn_Stormyeah but you'd need a gui tool to configure it, and a plugin to read it04:51
ajmitchnot necessarily04:52
ajmitchit'd just be a shell script, which is loaded into the wrapper04:52
ajmitchlike anything in /etc/default is04:52
Quinn_Stormhow would it tell compiz the options though?04:52
ajmitchjust shell options04:52
ajmitchlike USE_GCONF04:52
Quinn_Stormsee, without an options plugin of some kind, the options can't get into compiz...oh ok, those kind of options04:53
=== Plug loves conversations that talk about plugins
Plugthey set my nick highlighting off regularly ;)04:58
ajmitchit must make you feel special :)04:58
PlugQuinn_Storm: thank you for everything you've done with compiz/xgl.  It'ss absolutely fantastic.04:58
Quinn_StormPlug: you're welcome...right now we're working on getting it to a more...cleanly packaged point04:58
Quinn_Stormquestion, does it make sense to version compiz-plugins just starting from 0.1?05:00
ajmitcheither that or match the compiz version that they're for05:01
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Quinn_Stormwell, the idea is they will be changing faster than compiz05:01
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Quinn_Storm(its easier than splitting atoms)05:08
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LaserJockmmmm, splitting atoms05:13
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Quinn_Stormnow...question...I know ajmitch isn't here, but someone can help...should I make 'compiz' a virtual package depending on 'compiz-core' and 'compiz-plugins'? or should I keep 'compiz' just being the core?05:20
LaserJockcan you use compiz-core without compiz-plugins?05:22
welshbytedoes the core work at all without the plu... what LaserJock said05:22
Quinn_Stormnot really...no...so I guess compiz depending on compiz-plugins is probably the best way to do it05:22
LaserJockI would think so05:23
Quinn_Stormhmm, I just uncovered a problem with the way I am going about this...the 'compiz' package installs headers required to build the 'compiz-plugins' package...so...maybe I should do it with compiz depending on compiz-plugins which depends on compiz-core?05:25
imbrandonajmitch: is there a mugshot deb or did you alien the rpm ? i just got my invite but it only offered a rpm download05:26
Plugjdub had one somewhere05:26
LaserJockQuinn_Storm: that I'm not sure of05:29
imbrandonPlug: thanks05:30
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crimsun-core should be precisely that. -plugins should be extra. -core should not depend on -plugins, but -plugins must depend on -core. compiz can be used as a transitional package depending on both -core and -plugins05:41
Quinn_Stormthat's what I'm doing, crimsun05:41
LaserJockare those in the same source package?05:42
Quinn_Storm-plugins is a different package05:43
Quinn_Storm-core and 'compiz' are in the same source package05:43
Quinn_Stormthat's the point of this05:43
Quinn_Stormso we can update -plugins separately05:43
crimsunLaserJock: didn't you use quodlibet as an example? ;)05:44
LaserJockI didn't get that far :(05:47
LaserJockthat reminds me05:47
LaserJockI need to finish the stupid irc log on the wiki05:47
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crimsunraging ubuntu-aholic motu that he is05:50
ajmitchsomeone needs to look out for us little guys, right crimsun ?05:50
crimsundefinitely :)05:50
hubimbrandon: I have a more recent mugshot05:51
hubimbrandon: maybe I should upload it to REVU, NOT FOR INCLUSION05:51
hubimbrandon: I packaged the latest version actually05:51
LaserJockshesh, you guys are going to turn me into another bddebian05:51
imbrandonhub: nice , if you want i can stick it in my repo05:53
imbrandonbut either way i would love a vopy05:53
hubimbrandon: the source package is uploaded05:53
hubto REVU05:53
hubbuilds on dapper and edgy05:53
imbrandonnice cool05:54
hubit is a rip off of jdub packages, updated05:55
ajmitchimbrandon: you have a mugshot account?05:55
hubI have invites for who want05:55
hubjust give me your address05:55
hubfirst come, etc05:55
imbrandonajmitch: i'm making one now, i just got my invite a few minutes ago05:55
hubbtw mugshot is a real nagware05:56
imbrandonheh well ajmitch said he was using it so i figured it would atleaste "try" it ;)05:56
ajmitch'using' is such a loose term05:56
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hubthe mugshot package05:57
imbrandonif it bugs me too much i can always dpkg --purge remove ;)05:57
fdsdhey guys, I am making livecds, I made one ppc live cd, everything went very smoothly and its all set, but now I am trying to make a x86 livecd from ubuntu-6.06.1-desktop-i386.iso and I am running into issues.   I am trying to modify the usplash boot up, I was able to do it perfectly following this howto on my ppc livecd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto  but for some reason with x86 ubuntu05:57
fdsdmachine I install my new usplash and it only boots to black now.  ANy ideas05:57
LaserJockfdsd: not going so well in -devel? :-)05:58
imbrandonusplash bug , known afaik with the latest uspash05:58
fdsdLaserJock, 45min no answer05:58
fdsdimbrandon, oh really, do you know how I can look into it?05:58
imbrandonon LP ? i dunno i just take splash out of my kernel line ;)05:59
imbrandondget http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mugshot-0608212350/mugshot_1.1.13-0ubuntu1.dsc05:59
fdsdDoes anyone know if the livecd/casper/initrd.gz is the same as /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386 in the filesystem.squashfs?06:00
fdsdimbrandon, does that make usplash still work?06:01
imbrandonno it disables it06:01
fdsdoh ok06:01
imbrandonone of the downfalls of running a dev version06:02
imbrandoni would stick to the stable stuff for a live cd ;)06:02
fdsdimbrandon, do you know how isolinux calls up usplash?  I know the grub/menu.list file is what you edit on ubuntu, but what about the livecd?06:02
fdsdimbrandon, ok, cool thank you06:02
imbrandonno idea man06:02
fdsdif I chroot into the filesystem.squash that is on the livecd can I do dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) ?06:04
fdsdwill it update everything needed?06:05
imbrandoni think you need the -devel god's we're just packers ;)06:05
fdsdheh no prob06:05
fdsdI would have thought the ppc livecd would have been harder06:06
fdsdppc guys document things better06:06
imbrandonhrm hub seems the build-deps on that arent quite correct06:08
imbrandonconfigure: error: XScreenSaver extension is required - X11/extensions/scnsaver.h, libXss.so06:08
imbrandonfrom pbuilder ( edgy )06:08
bluefoxicyinsight does not seem to STEP through lines of source code when i -ggdb gcc06:08
hubimbrandon: *sigh*06:09
bluefoxicythis is irritating.  I am searching for another debugger.06:09
hubimbrandon: ok. hold on06:09
hubimbrandon: I run dapper here06:09
imbrandonnp i can fix it here for me, just wanted to let you know06:09
huband I don't think I did pbuild it06:09
hubimbrandon: if you can comment on REVU, I'll get the changes06:10
hubmugshot people don't really want to see it in distros, so it can wait06:10
hubfor the advocate06:10
imbrandonhehe ok06:10
hubbut getting input and having fun, sure06:10
imbrandonits gpl but they dont want it in the distro ?06:10
fdsdimbrandon, what ubuntu livecd would you recommend?06:10
fdsdimbrandon, 5.10 any good?06:11
imbrandonfdsd: for? 6.06.1 would be the latest stable06:11
fdsdimbrandon, oh I thought that is what I was using06:11
fdsdimbrandon, I was using that.. usplash is broken in that version of stable?06:11
imbrandonwell the usplash is a edgy problem asaik but like i said these are issues i have VERY limited know how about , your better off asking in -devel ( even at a later time )06:12
fdsdimbrandon, what is the difference between 5.10 and 6.06?06:13
imbrandon*cough* they are diffrent released version , what do you mean ?06:14
hubimbrandon: it is just that they are changing the protocol once in a while06:15
hubimbrandon: so it breaks a lot06:15
hubimbrandon: think "immature"06:15
hubimbrandon: nothing to do with the license06:15
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welshbyteor libxss-dev06:17
hubthat one06:17
hubI searched on the other machine06:17
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imbrandonhub: working now and the extra deps added to comment on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=292106:27
imbrandonso i would build in pbuilder06:27
imbrandonit would*06:27
hubI don't even think I did pbuild it06:28
hubnor did the original packager06:28
imbrandoni might stick it i my personal repos on imbrandon.com if you dont mind since we wont be putting it in edgy atm06:29
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imbrandonSeveas: ping06:37
imbrandonheay Hobbsee06:37
bddebianHi Hobbsee06:37
bddebianGnight folks06:37
Hobbseehey imbrandon, bddebian06:37
imbrandongnight bddebian06:37
imbrandon@now amsterdam06:38
UbugtuCurrent time in Europe/Amsterdam: August 22 2006, 06:38:3206:38
ubuntu-esimbrandon: Error: "now" is not a valid command.06:38
Hobbseeyay, i get to request another sync, it looks like06:38
Hobbseewe have 2 bots here now?06:38
imbrandonkinda early i guess06:38
imbrandonyea i dunno wth -es is06:38
imbrandonits not seveas;s06:38
imbrandonHobbsee: you mean 3 ;)06:39
imbrandonerr 4 ( loggin bot too )06:39
Hobbseeimbrandon: true that06:39
imbrandoni guess its something to do with the -es channel but i dunno why its in here or answers to @blah06:40
imbrandonhub http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/{dapper,edgy}/extras/  ( will work as "deb http://imbrandon.com/packages {dapper,edgy} extras" also and my pubkey is imbrandon.com/pubkey.gpg ) if your interested or wanna poke someone to it later ( for the mugshot )06:43
Hobbseeimbrandon: did you get the konvi repo working?06:43
Quinn_StormI should eventually replace the use of dh_shlibdeps...shouldn't I06:44
imbrandonHobbsee: yup s/extras/konversation-nightly/g06:44
Hobbseei was never using extras in there06:45
Hobbseesure you dont mean the other awy around?06:45
imbrandoni ment from the line i posted above ;)06:45
imbrandonHobbsee: deb http://imbrandon.com/packages {dapper,edgy} konversation-nightly06:45
imbrandonis the konversation06:46
imbrandoni should realy make an index of all the components i guess ;)06:46
imbrandonor you could be brave and use "all" ;)06:46
Hobbseeyou know, it helps if i dont comment it out...06:46
imbrandonbrb soda time06:47
imbrandonhrm Seveas has a html generator in falcon i might try that to make the package index06:49
imbrandon..... *looks806:49
welshbytehm when i run pbuilder a bunch of dpkg-* messages complain about a utmp entry not available and no LOGNAME defined... should i fix that (and how) or can i ignore it?06:50
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imbrandoni dunno if thats the right answer but thats what __I__ do ;)06:51
welshbyteheh ok :)06:51
imbrandonHobbsee: btw if you havent already install konversation-dbg ( i should make it a dep since these are nightlys )06:56
Hobbseei'm still getting the upgrades06:57
Hobbseeimbrandon: ktorrent 2.0.1 is out, check your email06:57
imbrandoni know i saw it yesterday06:57
imbrandonthere isnt a changelog for me to ask for a uvfe with though so i put it off06:57
Quinn_Stormquestion...since it was mentioned...does it actually -work- now? (ktorrent)06:57
imbrandonQuinn_Storm: yes, quite well06:58
imbrandon( edgy )06:58
Quinn_Stormcool, I tried it long ago and it was a real worthless piece of software06:58
imbrandonHobbsee: can you ask asimon for a changelog please ? ( just from 2.0 to 2.0.1 would work )06:59
imbrandoni'll get a uvf from mdz if i get that, btw whats up with kopete 0.12.2 i seen the source on voyager ready to go but you dident get a uvfe for it ?07:00
Hobbseeimbrandon: riddell requested the uvf - and dont touch it - some of the sources are outdated07:00
imbrandonhaha i wasent going to , i was just wondering07:00
imbrandonwhat about amarok 1.4.207:00
Hobbseeimbrandon: need to wait for release, but i'll write a UVF exception for it soon07:02
imbrandonwas released at 1900 utc yesterday ;)07:03
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Hobbseeimbrandon: not according to the channel...07:03
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ajmitchat this time of day?07:04
imbrandonits been taged and released they are waiting on the ftp to sync but the ftp is getting new hardware ( see planet.k.o ) soo it will get pushed to sf.net in the meantime probably if it hasent already07:05
imbrandonnixternal: ping ....07:06
Hobbseeajmitch: i woke at 1, yes.07:07
Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, that's what i saw.07:07
imbrandonwow , you sounds like me ;)07:07
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imbrandonwoot energy07:19
LaserJockthat's better :-)07:22
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LaserJockI see my mosh pit comment made the fridge ;-)07:23
ajmitchLaserJock: you're a celebrity, expect to be quoted :)07:30
imbrandonman i just realized how long that story is07:31
Hobbseeajmitch: so when does your stuff hit the planet?07:31
ajmitchpity the group photo is so small07:31
ajmitchHobbsee: good luck07:31
imbrandonajmitch: click it07:31
ajmitchI don't blog07:31
ajmitchimbrandon: still too small07:31
imbrandonajmitch:  hold on07:31
crimsunit's friggin huge on this 12" lcd07:31
imbrandonthats the bigest one07:32
ajmitchimbrandon: that's the one I'm talking about :)07:32
Hobbseeajmitch: pity.  dont tell pia that.07:33
LaserJockhmm, maybe I should try a blog post07:34
ajmitchwhy not?07:35
imbrandonhehe yea07:35
LaserJockI'm usually to busy to rehash what I've been doing all day07:35
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Hobbseeajmitch: she'll go nuts and tell you that you should have a blog07:35
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imbrandonajmitch: i realy think you should have a blog, they are kinda fun at times07:35
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LaserJockthat's my problem07:36
imbrandonsooo Hobbsee that brings us to your blog, if i finish your gotchi tonight will you ? hehe07:36
Quinn_Stormajmitch: so...is the policy to do 0ubuntu1 on all packages? if so I can add it to cgwd and cgwd-themes07:37
Hobbseeimbrandon: hehe  maybe.  will it look decent?07:37
LaserJockbut I'm finding it's a good way to get info out and then you don't forget07:37
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imbrandonHobbsee: yea i'll make sure you have hair ;)07:37
HobbseeUptime: 1 hours and 7 minutes07:37
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ajmitchQuinn_Storm: generally yes - then packaging revisions go to -0ubuntu2, etc07:37
LaserJockHobbsee: you're bald?!?07:37
ajmitchimbrandon: green bug-eyed alien?07:37
Quinn_Stormajmitch: okay, just wanted to check07:37
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imbrandonHobbsee: send me the photo with you in shades and the car again , i think that one will work well07:37
HobbseeLaserJock: no.  but he got rid of most of my hair :(07:37
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Hobbseeajmitch: hah.  like i'm well known07:38
imbrandonLaserJock: i cut here hair short on the last one heh07:38
ajmitchHobbsee: known well enough07:38
Hobbseeajmitch: actually, you're right - known too well07:38
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HobbseeQuinn_Storm: hehe, nice07:39
Quinn_Stormthey also claimed I was now the lead compiz dev, and me and david were rewriting it together07:39
LaserJockI'm not very well known, thank goodness07:39
imbrandonheh i love vanity googling , you run accross some ancient stuff i had forgotten about ;)07:39
LaserJockI've got enough to do as it is07:39
crimsunwhatever raging ubuntu-aholic motu.07:39
welshbytemy name's too common for vanity googling :/07:39
ajmitchyes, too much travelling to conferences, giving talks, etc07:39
Quinn_Stormmy handle is pretty unusual07:39
ajmitchfairly so, yes07:40
imbrandoni google my real name as thats what most people that would google me would do07:40
LaserJockwell, I've done 4 blog posts since January :/07:40
ajmitchimbrandon: yes, and I do get in the top 10 of searches for my name :)07:40
LaserJockthen you must be famous07:40
ajmitchah no, not at the moment07:40
ajmitchdebian qa & launchpad profile are on the 2nd page of results now07:41
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carthikAll it takes is a rather unusual first name07:41
imbrandonhehe i get in te first 4 pages of mine , infact for "Brandon Holtsclaw" there is only 2 or 3 entries in the first 4 pages that arent mine ( some high school kid in band camp in Lousania is named Brandon Holtsclaw too, go figure )07:41
LaserJockfor mine, #1 is my LP account, #2 is my Debian qa07:41
LaserJockand lots of gpg07:41
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imbrandon#1 is my blog imbrandon.com ;)07:42
imbrandon#2 is LP #3 is seti @home07:42
LaserJockwhat the heck, there is a LWN post with just the accepted email from a package I uploaded07:43
imbrandonout of the first 4 or 5 pages only 2 or 3 entries arent me07:43
LaserJockwell, my blog uses my nick so...07:43
imbrandonheh my nick and real name are so close plus i put my realname on my blog too07:44
LaserJockmy name fairs much better at finding me then my nick07:44
Quinn_Stormugh ok...now what did I do wrong, debuild isn't spitting out an orig.tar.gz it seems07:44
LaserJockmy nick is everywhere07:44
LaserJockdebuild -S -sa?07:44
Quinn_Stormyeah I guess I have to do that07:45
imbrandonmy big thing was with such a uniq last name as mine i was suprised there is another "brandon holtsclaw" in the usa and is about -10years younger than me07:46
ajmitchimbrandon: I've talked to someone else using 'ajmitch', from scotland07:47
imbrandonbut like i said google dont turn much up on him , the only thing i know is he is a HS student in band in lousania somewhere07:47
ajmitchnot particularly surpring that they were there07:47
imbrandonwow cool07:47
ajmitchI do know of another Andrew Mitchell at my university07:47
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imbrandonyea andrew mitchel isnt too common either so thats cool07:48
ajmitcheven more confusing - I know of another Andrew Mitchell involved in archery in NZ07:48
ajmitchand archery is a small sport here07:48
welshbytei know an andrew mitchell through my computer society07:48
imbrandonits semi small here too07:48
ajmitchit'd be great to shoot against him one day :)07:49
imbrandonmost archers here are deer hunters07:49
LaserJockmy undergrad uni had an archery team07:49
Quinn_Stormis there anything I need to actually change in debian/ to make it create an orig.tar.gz?  b/c I thought I just had to use a -0xx1 version and it'd do it automatically07:49
ajmitchthis is just in the target archery sport07:49
LaserJockarchery and rodea were the only things we were any good at ;-)07:50
LaserJockthat's Montana for you07:50
ajmitchQuinn_Storm: no, you create an orig.tar.gz yourself, either by renaming the upstream tarball or just rolling the tarball07:50
Quinn_Stormajmitch: ah I thought I could automate it with debuild07:50
ajmitchno, since the upstream tarball generally doesn't change07:50
ajmitchin your case it probably will, since you're acting as upstream in a sense07:51
Quinn_Stormah, ok, well that'll be easy to do in my release script...it should be packagename-baseversion.orig.tar.gz?07:51
Hobbsee|2mins"you are running low on battery power"07:51
ajmitchQuinn_Storm: package_baseversion.orig.tar.gz07:52
ajmitchthe _ vs - is important07:52
Quinn_Stormajmitch: ok.  and it goes into the dir you are building in? one above the actual src dir?07:53
ajmitcha directory above the unpacked source07:53
Quinn_Stormok, and for doing it in a pbuilder?07:54
ajmitchsame thing - you're building a source package for pbuilder to use07:54
ajmitchif you pass pbuilder the .dsc, it gets the right files to build07:54
Quinn_Stormok so...make the package_baseversion -then- use that to make the dsc?07:54
Quinn_Stormthen use that to pbuild07:55
LaserJockpretty much, yeah07:55
LaserJockat Ubucon I got -1% battery left :-)07:57
Hobbsee|NoBatterit just keeps sitting at 1 min remaining...07:57
Hobbsee|NoBatterwith the bar at empty07:57
imbrandonthats alright on my desktop ( no batery ) it always reads 50% 10 minutes left07:57
Laser_awaytime for bed08:01
Laser_awaymaybe I'll blog tomorrow08:01
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welshbyteLaser_away: good night08:01
Laser_awaythank goodness I'm not on planet, I'd feel so stupid08:01
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Quinn_Stormok I guess the .changes file didn't include the orig.tar.gz....for some reason....so it didn't get duploaded08:11
Quinn_Stormdo I have to use -sa since ubuntu uses 0ubuntu1?08:14
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welshbyteQuinn_Storm: i don't think that's the issue, debuild just looks at the version string in the changelog afaik08:16
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AnAntlionelp: you there ?08:16
Quinn_Stormwelshbyte: well yeah, that's the version string I am talking about08:17
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welshbyteQuinn_Storm: ah i see.. no, afaik the version string isn't the reason it doesn't include the original source.. i just know that -sa forces dpkg-buildpackage to include it08:21
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welshbyteQuinn_Storm: oh, i might be wrong.. just reading the man page now :)08:23
welshbyte"By default, or if -si is specified, the original source will be included if the version number ends in -0 or -1, ie if the Debian revision part of the version number is 0 or 1."08:25
Quinn_Stormyeah thats what I read08:26
Quinn_Stormand why I asked08:26
Quinn_Stormokay, I modified my script to check if the version is 0ubuntu1 and use -sa if so08:26
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imbrandonhrm how do i join a group on mugshot08:28
imbrandonseems i only see the "follow this group"08:28
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welshbyteoo launchpad is back up08:39
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ArbiterHobbsee: ping09:05
HobbseeArbiter: pong09:05
ArbiterArbiter: since kdocker is in NEW queue can i delete the kdocker entry from MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu?09:06
Arbiterpfff :P09:06
HobbseeArbiter: yep09:06
Arbiterdone :D09:07
Arbiteri'll package debian-servicemenu ;)09:09
HobbseeArbiter: yay :)09:10
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ArbiterHobbsee: debian-servicemenu built ;)09:54
HobbseeArbiter: nice :)09:54
=== Arbiter testing in pbuilder
Arbiterdebian-servicemenu is in REVU ;)09:55
Arbiter(just wait for refresh)09:55
Arbiterif you want to review... :D09:57
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ArbiterHobbsee: perhaps you have kmail installed?09:59
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Arbiterhi Gloubiboulga10:00
Gloubiboulgahello Arbiter10:00
HobbseeArbiter: i do, i never use it10:00
Arbiterit seems that there are menu problems...10:01
Arbiterkmail menu entry is not shown anywhere :P10:01
ArbiterGloubiboulga: i've applied for membership for this evening's CC10:03
HobbseeArbiter: it's shown under kontact10:03
ArbiterHobbsee: note my installation is ubuntu-minimal plus kde-core and few other apps... not the whole kubuntu-desktop :P10:04
GloubiboulgaArbiter, cool :)10:05
Hobbseecould be smart10:05
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ArbiterGloubiboulga: would you be part of my 'fanclub'? :D10:05
Arbiter(CC is at 6pm @ Europe/Rome)10:05
Gloubiboulga5 pm in France, right ?10:06
Gloubiboulganop, 6pm in France too :)10:06
Gloubiboulgaok, I'll be there10:06
Arbiterthx :)10:11
Arbiterah Gloubiboulga...10:15
Arbiterwould you review this package too? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2922)10:16
Arbiteruhm no wait10:17
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GloubiboulgaArbiter, you can build a native package I think, no need to have a .orig.tar.gz since an app for debian/ubuntu only10:20
Gloubiboulgasince it's*10:20
Gloubiboulgahmm, forget it10:22
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ArbiterGloubiboulga: it should be fine now :)10:23
Toadstoolgood morning everybody10:25
Arbiter"Your membership in the mailing list Motu-reviewers has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 21-Aug-2006."10:25
Arbiterwhat the...10:25
Toadstoolmails that can't be delivered10:26
Arbitermaybe my web hoster servers are down?10:27
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GloubiboulgaArbiter, the packaging is fine, but there's no license in the .sh script10:29
Gloubiboulgaeven if the website says "GPL", there's no license in the tarball...10:30
Gloubiboulgayou should ping upstream and ask them to add a license in the tarball10:30
ArbiterGloubiboulga: since there's no license (or copyright notice) i can put something like "Modified by Lorenzo Villani (Arbiter) in 2006 based on work by redclay. Licensed under GPL License v2"10:35
Arbiteror not? :D10:35
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GloubiboulgaArbiter, no...10:36
Gloubiboulgayou *need* a license10:37
ArbiterGloubiboulga: anyway i'm asking the upstream author10:37
Gloubiboulgajust mail upstream, I'm sure they can add a license in their files ;)10:37
Gloubiboulgahello Tonio_10:37
azeemW 3410:39
siretartArbiter: even better, tell the author to actually read the GPL, and point him to the part that says 'How to apply to GPL'10:40
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welshbyteooh we appear to have a newer version of libnautilus-burn-dev in edgy than in debian unstable11:12
welshbytethings that work in sid might be broken when they get to edgy if the API has changed between the two... which it probably has11:14
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welshbyteHobbsee: this might apply to bug #5719911:17
UbugtuMalone bug 57199 in bonfire "Add bonfire" [Untriaged,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5719911:17
Hobbseewelshbyte: ahh.  right.  true that11:18
Hobbseewelshbyte: feel free to reopen/etc11:18
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Hobbseewelshbyte: i just figured that when it would build again, we'd auto sync from debian11:18
Hobbseeer...i dont think that made senes11:18
welshbyteyeah it makes sense, but i'm not sure what happens in those kind of circumstances... would we patch bonfire?11:19
Hobbseewelshbyte: if we care enough, i guess we could.  patch it to work with the newer version11:21
welshbytei might give it a shot... i had to do a similar thing before because of nautilusburn API changes11:22
Hobbseewelshbyte: go for it :)11:27
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welshbyteon second thoughts, it's probably best if i request a sync and then patch the newer broken version when that's done11:39
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Kagouhi hub . We have a strange problem with jhead. Official version is 2.6 but we have  package (synced from debian ) version : 2.60 What do you think about ?11:52
StevenKKagou: The previous version in Dapper is 2.4411:52
StevenKKagou: Hence the extra 0, I guess.11:53
KagouStevenK: officials version ares 2.6 2.5 and 2.4 ( http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/jhead/ )11:53
Kagouso 2.44 or 2.60 are false11:54
StevenKKagou: You'd need to raise it with the Debian maintainer, though.11:54
Kagouok StevenK11:54
Arbiterhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2925 <- should be fine as debian-servicemenu, probably this package has the same license issue11:55
kelmomoin siretart11:58
siretarthuhu kelmo12:06
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kelmosiretart: mind if i dump some thoughts in a query?12:23
siretartkelmo: no, just go ahead!12:27
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tsengSeveas: who is "Ubuntu Demon"?12:43
azeemand who audits hackergotchi addtions?12:46
tsengazeem: seriously.12:48
azeemtseng: he's a ubuntuforum moderator12:49
tsengazeem: i find it out that there are a half dozen people I've never heard of12:49
azeembut neither put his real name on his wiki.u.c nor his launchpad account12:49
tsenglack of easy to find real name really bugs me12:50
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dholbachtseng: he even ran around as "ubuntudemon" at the conference in paris12:58
dholbachi can't remember his real name12:59
sladendholbach: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-demon  ?01:02
dholbachI suppose that's him, yes.01:02
sladendholbach:  To: Roald Hopman <ubuntu-demon@ubuntu.com>01:02
dholbachYeah, that might be his real name.01:03
tsengsladen: wow you are a regular detective01:03
sladenin fact, I know why it rings a bell, I signed his key yesterday01:03
lucashis real name is in his GPG key01:05
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tsenghello, lukketto01:06
tsengI think your blog is pretty far off01:06
lucashello tseng & all ;)01:06
lucaspretty far off ?01:07
tsengI don't connect to irc from my 20+ dapper servers01:07
lucasof course01:07
lucasmy point is to show that edgy users are rare and all involved in ubuntu dev01:07
lucaswhile a lot of "normal" users use debian testing/unstable01:08
tsengfanboys use edgy01:08
tseng"forums users"01:08
tsengor something politically correct01:08
tsengi guess there are more using dapper now, that we broke their spirit on breezy01:09
lucasforum users should be visible in my stats if they were really using edgy01:10
tsengforums users are not always irc users01:10
lucashowever, only 4% of the ubuntu users on #ubuntu use edgy01:10
tsengdoesn't really matter01:10
lucasanyway, all of this is off-topic wrt my blog post01:12
tsengok :)01:12
lucasmy point is "many debian users use development versions (testing/unstable), while only very few ubuntu users use development versions (edgy)"01:12
lucaswith "many" probably means >> 50%, and "very few" < 5%01:13
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tsengyou're apperantly an ubuntu member01:18
gnomefreakyes but even before i was01:19
StevenKlucas: Your stats are skewed.01:20
StevenKlucas: The only conclusion you can draw is what release people are running IRC from, not what they acually use.01:20
lucasStevenK: of course they are. however, the populations I compared are about the same, and I found a huge difference between #debian and #ubuntu.01:21
lucasStevenK: feel free to prove me wrong and blog about it, if you have better data. but I don't.01:22
StevenKlucas: Hah, I gave up on blogging.01:27
StevenKlucas: You are reading too much into your results.01:27
azeemhe was mostly refuting keybuk's argument01:28
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ryanakcawhile running pbuilder on a cdbs - eqonomize package, I get these errors... http://pastebin.ca/144156     debian/rules: http://pastebin.ca/14416101:39
StevenKryanakca: You're missing debhelper.01:39
ryanakcain debian/control ?01:40
StevenKInstalled, I suspect.01:40
StevenKAnd/or debian/control01:40
lucashttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/psi/+bug/50270 looks like an interesting bug to work on for somebody with some free time01:44
UbugtuMalone bug 50270 in psi "The sound files' path is wrong" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 01:44
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phanatichi Goshawk_02:25
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ryanakcaI get this error http://pastebin.ca/144278 when running pbuilder on a cdbs package with these rules http://pastebin.ca/144161 .  It builds fine from ./configure make make install, but when packaged its where I get the errors... and it has to do with po/pot02:40
ryanakcaupstream allready included a .pot.... so can we just keep it... or do we need to have one created using the kubuntu-pot patch for admin/cvs.sh & debain/rules02:41
Hobbseeryanakca: which pacakge is it?02:43
Hobbseeryanakca: does it have a debian/cdbs folder?02:44
ryanakcaa finance app for kde... dunno if it's been packaged in the week I was away... yes...02:44
ryanakcaI copied the debian-qt-kde.mk over from kdebase02:45
Hobbseeryanakca: seen the stuff on cdbs from the packaging guide?02:46
Hobbseeryanakca: you dont need to use a separate debian-qt-kde.mk - you can just use the kde.mk inside cdbs packages, unless you need to specifically modify it02:47
ryanakcahttps://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-cdbs.html  ?02:47
Hobbseethat's the one02:47
ryanakcaHobbsee: kk... just wondering... I was following the kdebase example... this is my first cdbs package :)02:48
Hobbseeryanakca: fair enough02:48
ryanakcaand about the .pot problems?02:49
Hobbseei dont know - but i bet that isnt helping02:50
Hobbseeryanakca: ie, you want to have a line in your debian/rules that says include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk02:51
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ryanakcaHobbsee: yeah... kde is fixed... main problem is .pot... can I just keep the upstream one?02:53
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Hobbseei dont know02:53
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ryanakcaHobbsee: kk, thanks for the help :)02:56
ryanakca*psst*CDBS ROCKS*psst*02:56
Hobbseeindeed :)02:56
StevenKs/R/SUCKS R/02:56
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Hobbseemuhahhaha :P02:58
zulyou and your sticks..02:58
ryanakcanl debian/rules  =  234123684198734698376492873641902:59
ryanakcathat's with debhelper....     nl debian/rules   =   10            (cdbs)02:59
Hobbseezul: what?  there's a problem with them?03:00
zulnot sharp enough03:00
Hobbseezul: true that.03:01
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Toadstoolryanakca: time to understand if you're not used to it: debhelper = 10s, cdbs = 2341236841987346983764928736419s :p03:01
Hobbseeooh, thankyou03:01
Toadstoolhi everybody03:01
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StevenKToadstool: dbs = 12 * 10^24 s03:01
ToadstoolHobbsee: I usually use cdbs for my own package though03:02
Toadstool*packages even03:02
MithrandirHobbsee: wouldn't it be better to use the stick rather than the sharpener to attack him with?03:02
HobbseeToadstool: smart :)03:02
HobbseeMithrandir: good point.03:02
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thomi think i'm going to have to deviate from policy and agree with StevenK03:03
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thomcdbs blows03:03
=== ryanakca has a better weapon that a "pointy stick"... BAGPIPES!
Mithrandiroops, I should haven thrown the grenade, shouldn't it?03:03
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neutrinomassIf a program is under the GPL, but it's documentation is under the FDL, this has to be listed in 'debian/copyright'. Should I put the complete FDL text (there's nothing in /usr/share/common-licenses ) ?03:04
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thomazeem: that's not /strictly/ true :-)03:05
azeemthom: yeah, there might have been a small discussion about type-handling last year...03:06
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lucasI'm concerned by the state of the ubuntu archive. with no watching of new packages in debian, and no watching of removals from debian, it's really getting worse and worse...03:22
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fbondI received a report on another channel that recent xserver-xorg-core update for Dapper is broken.  Can anyone confirm?03:59
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Hobbseefbond: yes, should be fixed04:01
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YagisanTPG upgraded my connection today. Time to consider re-coniguring my network.04:02
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Hobbseeyay ;)04:04
MezYagisan, something I've been striving to do for years, but it's never really worked04:04
YagisanMez, I found the easy way to motivate myself. It's called bandwidth to test edgy, but the unwillingness to do it on my primary system04:05
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xerxasHi everyone04:06
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MezYagisan: in a week or two I'll finally have internet at home! w--yt04:11
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YagisanMez, I had to upgrade because my plan was canceled :(04:12
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Hobbseemind you, with the speeds of the repos, that wont help you much04:15
MezHobbsee, lol - but at least I'll be able to DO things04:15
Hobbseetrue that04:15
Mezrather than just sit here and be the silent MOTU04:16
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MezHobbsee, soon, I promise04:24
HobbseeMez: :)04:26
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bddebianHeya gang04:31
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cbx33but could 24Mb soon04:38
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bddebianHeya lfittl04:49
lfittlhey bddebian04:49
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Kyral_LaptopOh Mez you work on Katapult right?04:54
MezKyral_Laptop, yes - #katapult04:54
Kyral_Laptopmkay just wondering if you guys have anykinda reference for making new catalog things04:55
MezKyral_Laptop, not atm no. Someones writing something on the wiki, but it seems unfinished... what klind of thing are you looking at making ?04:55
Kyral_LaptopMez: Dunno, right now I'm just trying to do a little of everything I can in the programming world04:56
Kyral_Laptop(Learning RubyQt and Korundrum ATM, and I'm kinda bored lol)04:56
Mezwell - I'd suggest looking round the wiki, and maybe a lil on the forums04:56
Kyral_LaptopI was kinda surprised to see you and Riddel in the credits for the program04:56
MezKyral_Laptop, why ?04:57
Kyral_LaptopDunno lol04:57
Kyral_LaptopWas just like "Hey whaddya know!"04:57
Mezwell - I'm managing the project, and Riddells doing some good coding04:57
Mezbasically the old dev didnt want to carry on - so we took it under our wing ... :D04:58
Kyral_LaptopWhats it written in?04:58
MezKyral -though I must say - lately I havent done a good job of managing it ... but gimme a couple of weeks04:58
Kyral_Laptopmkay I know C++ :P04:58
Kyral_Laptop(Though I am LOVING Ruby ATM)04:58
Kyral_Laptopoh hi Riddel04:59
Hobbseethat's opposed to all the "not good coding"?04:59
Kyral_LaptopNot good coding == Spagetthi Code that looks like something some caffine deprived Perl junkie spit out after 3 days w/o sleep05:00
Kyral_LaptopNo Offense to Perl Junkies05:01
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Kyral_LaptopAnyone interested in a shell written in Ruby?05:03
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ryanakcawhats that "example" man page? like the template for writing one...05:06
Kyral_LaptopYou can use the ManPage I wrote for SHCD as a template if you want05:06
Kyral_Laptop</Shameless Plug>05:07
ryanakcaKyral_Laptop: no... the code...05:07
Kyral_LaptopYah I left the manpage uncompressed in the SHCD tarball05:07
Kyral_Laptop(The install routine compresses it on the fly)05:08
Kyral_LaptopOh wait05:08
Kyral_Laptopryanakca: that link is good05:10
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welshbytebddebian: ping05:37
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ryanakcaHobbsee: what do I add to cdbs rules for manpages?05:47
Hobbseeit may get done automagically?  i dont remember05:47
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dholbachdaniel@bert:~$ grep -r MANPAGE /usr/share/cdbs/05:51
dholbach/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk:   dh_installman -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_$(cdbs_curpkg))05:51
dholbachso that's DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_<packagename>05:51
azeemor specify a debian/<packagename>.manpages05:51
ryanakcadholbach: ermm... so add the line " DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_eqonomize" to debian/rules?05:52
dholbachryanakca: yes ... DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_eqonomize := somepath/somefile.somextension05:53
ryanakcahey \sh05:53
dholbachryanakca: you can even list multiple files05:53
ryanakcaok, "DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_eqonomize := debian/eqonomize.1", thanks!05:54
ryanakcasweet... cdbs IS the bestest05:54
dholbachryanakca: rock on!05:54
dholbachyeah :-)05:54
thomoh yes, because that's so nice05:54
tsengdon't tell ogra05:54
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thomhey dudes05:55
zulhey thom05:55
ArbiterGloubiboulga: ping05:56
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Mithrandirthom: it's much easier to put that in debian/rules rather than putting debian/eqonomize in debian/eqonomize.manpages :-P05:57
thomoh utterly. and much more readable too05:57
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GloubiboulgaArbiter, pong05:59
ArbiterGloubiboulga: np :)06:00
GloubiboulgaArbiter, ;)06:00
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tsengSeveas: is he ok?06:02
tsengok :)06:02
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ryanakcawhat happens to .pot files when running dpkg -i foo-bar.deb? like, pbuilder build foo-bar.dsc, dpkg -i /var/cache/pbuilder/results/foo-bar.deb06:08
ryanakcaare they installed somewhere or what... what I'm trying to say, is how do I verify if they were properly created06:09
dholbachcd po; intltool-update -p    to create them06:11
dholbachthey usually don't get installed06:11
dholbachthey mostly get shipped by the upstream tarball but not installed to someplace06:11
ryanakcabash: intltool-update: command not found06:11
dholbachinstall intltool06:13
ryanakcaok... this is getting confusing... umm... upstream sent a .pot... how do I get cdbs to leave it be instead of deleting it when I run debuild -S -sa06:14
dholbachit gets deleted?06:14
ryanakcaand I don't have anything in debian/rules about .po/.pot06:15
dholbachthat's really weird06:15
ryanakcahere... just a sec06:16
azeemryanakca: where did you put it?06:17
ryanakcaazeem: put what? the upstream .po, .pot were in po/06:17
ryanakcadholbach: the pastebin was debian/rules and the output of debuild showing the deletion06:19
dholbachyou probably won't need "DEB_PATCHDIRS := debian/patches" and "include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk"06:19
azeemryanakca: it seems it is included in 01_kubuntu_kdepot.diff?06:19
dholbachhum, it's part of kde.mk06:20
dholbachryanakca: pitti just told me that most kde upstreams don't ship the .pot file and it gets generated during the build06:21
ryanakcadholbach: kk... autotools... isn't that ./configure?06:21
dholbachryanakca: kde.mk includes autotools. mk on its own06:21
dholbachryanakca: it shouldn't matter if it gets deleted in the clean target, when it gets freshly rebuilt during the build06:22
dholbachryanakca: I agree that it feels a bit weird though.06:22
ryanakcadholbach: so delete the po/ and add the section from the packaging guide on generating the po/?06:22
dholbachryanakca: no, just ignore that it gets deleted06:22
dholbachryanakca: it gets rebuilt automatically during the build anyway06:23
ryanakcadholbach: ok... so... do I still add the section for po/ into rules?06:23
dholbachwhich section?06:23
ryanakcafrom the packaging guide06:23
dholbachwhich page is that?06:24
dholbachI'm not quite sure, I follow.06:24
dholbachit doesn't say anything about 'section'06:25
dholbach" ... includes its own kde.mk file ... "06:25
dholbach_its own_06:25
dholbachthat's not what you do, so you're fine06:25
ryanakcadholbach: Generating .pot file -> for cdbs, add bleh to debian/rules06:26
ryanakcaoh, I see06:26
ryanakcalol, nevermind... sweet!06:26
ryanakcaall that work for nothing :)06:26
dholbachtalk to the author to change to      <b>its own</b>06:27
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bluefoxicybug 5731406:54
UbugtuMalone bug 57314 in libdv "PIC fix for libdv" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5731406:54
bluefoxicyI can build a package for that, should I send the source package up to REVU or something?06:55
bluefoxicyapplying patch 20_no_exec_stack_CVS to ./ ... failed.06:55
bluefoxicyguess I'll have to build it as a dpatch06:55
bluefoxicy(how in the hell...)06:56
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Gloubiboulgabddebian, could you join #ubuntu-meeting to support Arbiter ?07:13
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bddebianGloubiboulga: Did I miss Arbiter's intro?07:18
Gloubiboulgabddebian, yep...07:19
Gloubiboulgamako wanted to ear several testimonials, mine wasn't enough ;)07:19
bddebianGah, where's the logs? :-)07:19
GloubiboulgaI can pastebin them :)07:20
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bddebianThanks Gloubiboulga07:23
GloubiboulgaArbiter, sorry... but it's just a matter of time :)07:31
Arbiterthanks anyway for support Gloubiboulga and bddebian07:31
Gloubiboulgano problem07:31
bddebianAye Arbiter, sorry.  I'll try to review your packages this week to get some more stuff under your belt07:31
welshbytebddebian: so, what should i do with this gnu-smalltalk package? :)07:34
bddebianwelshbyte: Did you get it to work?07:34
welshbytebddebian: not 100% tested to be foolproof but the package puts things where (i believe) it should07:35
welshbyteat the end lintian just warned about NMU stuff but i ignored that07:36
bddebianNice.  Can you post to REVU?07:36
welshbytebddebian: sure thing07:37
welshbytedput revu *_source.changes, right?07:39
Arbiterwith the -f flag if you alredy uploaded the same package07:39
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welshbytehm lintian on revu seems a bit out of date... or is it configured for dapper packages?07:54
welshbytedoesn't seem to know about edgy07:54
Gloubiboulgarevu is running breezy :)07:54
welshbyteoh, yikes :)07:54
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Arbitersee you tomorrow :)08:09
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ryanakcaI get errors while packaging eqonomize with cdbs (this is during pbuidler build): http://pastebin.ca/14484908:25
crimsunline 35.08:33
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ryanakcacrimsun: hmm08:41
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ryanakcacrimsun: fixed it... there were files left over from ./configure...08:54
ryanakcacan somebody look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2926 please?08:54
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ProN00buhm, how do i get something into the official repos (multiverse universe, whatever) ?08:56
ryanakcaProN00b: you package something, then upload it to REVU... after that you ask 2 MOTU to review it, and if it's properly packaged, it gets into the repos08:57
ProN00bwhats the policy for updates ?08:57
ryanakcapolicy for updates...??08:57
ProN00bi mean when does it have to get updated, can i update it, do i have to update it ?08:58
ryanakcasorry, I don't get your question... when a new version of the app comes out or ???08:59
ProN00bif i do what you said, and a new version of the app comes out, can i have the package updated ?08:59
ryanakcaProN00b: I beleive so, but you'd have to go threw REVU again08:59
ProN00b"go threw REVU again" sounds kinda bad to me, is it hard ?09:00
crimsunno, it just requires work on the submitters' part09:01
crimsunthere are only a few of us who actively review stuff on REVU09:01
ProN00bcrimsun, somehow the app i was looking for had their own repos, what are the reasons for such not to be imported into the official ones, or do they have to be submitted file by file ?09:06
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lfittlProN00b: whats the name of this app?09:14
crimsunProN00b: teams have various reasons for using their own external repositories; the ability to manage their own updates is a considerable advantage.09:14
ProN00blfittl, beep media player x (bmpx for short)09:15
crimsunbmpx is on revu iirc; nexu is working on it.09:15
crimsunI (among others) helped him with the packaging earlier09:16
hub_pushing hugin 0.6.1 to universe09:16
ryanakcacrimsun: you busy or could you help me murder my sound problem :)09:16
ProN00bso i will be able to find it in the near future ?09:16
ProN00bthat'd be grand09:16
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crimsunryanakca: I'm very busy attempting to multitask, but you can ask in +1, and I'll attempt to address it09:17
crimsunProN00b: meaning in the Ubuntu repo? Possibly.09:17
ryanakcacrimsun: I think  you should take a holiday... you'll burn yourself out09:18
crimsun(regardless I doubt nexu is going to cease packaging the svn snaps)09:18
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ProN00bcrimsun, dare to do any wague time estimation ? ^^09:18
crimsunryanakca: that's only a side effect of doing lots of things, not "working too hard".09:18
crimsunProN00b: six months after you stop asking.09:19
ProN00bok ^___^09:19
ryanakcaProN00b: why don't you just download the source and build it yourself with checkinstall, that way uninstall is a breeze when the ubuntu package comes out?09:20
ProN00bdunno, doesn't feel right to me in the age of packages09:20
crimsunnexu provides decent Ubuntu debs on his repo09:20
crimsunI personally don't believe we'll be including the svn snaps, but 0.2x certain seems feasible09:21
ProN00bya, svn isn't really desirable anyways09:21
ProN00bcrimsun, where are nexus repos ?09:21
crimsunProN00b: it's listed in the topic of #bmpx iirc09:22
ProN00bbut as i said it has ubuntu repos, but they have their own libs that replace ubuntu libs and that sucks09:24
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nzkAre there any #ubuntu ops here?09:25
ProN00bbtw, congrats on the x-org fckup ^_^09:25
nzkThat screwup ruined 2 (!!!) installs09:26
crimsunProN00b: it's already reverted, and we don't manage main packages here in -motu.09:26
nzkAnyway are there any #ubuntu ops here or anyone that can talk to an #ubuntu op?09:27
crimsunI'd like to suggest, for everyone's sanity, that you keep the X.Org "fuckup" talk to your own beds and not in here, thanks.09:27
crimsunnzk: quite possibly, why would this channel be relevant?09:27
slomocrimsun: any progress with my ymfpci breakage? :)09:28
nzkI happen to have gotten myself banned for a reason I dont know exactly when I was about to proceed with my Ubuntu install, crimsun09:28
crimsunslomo: sorry, first week of school and all, so no. Haven't had time to attempt to reproduce it on a local machine.09:28
nzkAnd being a linux newbie, I have a couple thousand questions09:28
slomocrimsun: ok, np :) will you time for it in the near future or shall i ask someone else?09:29
crimsunslomo: I'll push your bug upstream this afternoon (within a couple hours). Takashi will poke you.09:29
slomocool thanks :)09:30
crimsunSorry, it's just an extremely hectic period09:30
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slomodon't worry, i know such times :)09:30
nzkcrimsun: please?09:31
LaserJockcrimsun: I don't suppose you have looked at {wx}maxima recently?09:34
nzkcrimsun: pleaseee?09:34
crimsunLaserJock: see above comment regarding "hectic".09:34
crimsunnzk: PLEASE wait a few minutes.09:34
nzkOk :)09:34
LaserJockcrimsun: no problemo just wanted to see if anybody had worked recently before I attempt to charg in09:35
crimsunLaserJock: by all means, go for it09:36
LaserJockpeople are getting frantic on Malone and this thing really does need to get fixed09:37
nzkcrimsun: how much longer?09:41
ryanakcanzk: he's going to end up ignoring you indefinitly... wait, and when he gets a chance, he'll talk to you09:43
nzkI'll be patient09:44
LaserJocknzk: what's your problem?09:44
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welshbytewas i supposed to have received an email after uploading a package to revu?09:45
crimsunnzk: this channel definitely is the wrong place to discuss bans. What IP were you using previously?09:46
nzkThe ban is like *myhost09:46
nzkEveryone using PPPOE in Moscow got banned from #ubuntu09:46
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crimsunyes, I see the numeric ban09:47
LaserJocknzk: there is an #ubuntu-ops channell for that sort of thing09:48
crimsunit's actually a very specific ipv409:48
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ryanakcacan someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2926 please?10:18
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NoumaanThere are some Urdu fonts that I think must come with default Ubuntu Installation. But I am not sure whether they should come with Universe or default installation10:23
crimsunyou answered your own question.10:24
crimsunif they come by default they cannot, by definition, be in universe.10:24
Noumaanhow do I know that the license the come with makes them ok to be in default installation?10:24
micahcowanIf it can be in universe, it should be able to be in main, aiui: all universe packages must be free.10:25
Noumaanhttp://www.crulp.org/nafeesWebNaskh.html the font and the license is located here10:25
NoumaanIt is definitely the most commonly and widely used font for Urdu Web pages after Urdu Naskh Asiatype which is owned by BBC Urdu.10:26
micahcowanThe license looks pretty free, but ignore me, as ianal.10:26
micahcowanLooks somewhat BSD-ish.10:27
Noumaanmicahcowan: so what would you suggest me to do?10:27
micahcowanwait for a more authoritative response than my gibberish? :)10:27
Noumaanmicahcowan:  does that mean I should keep repeating myself?10:27
micahcowanNo, probably just wait for someone to read what you've already written.10:28
Noumaanok but for how long I should wait for someone to read this before trying something else?10:28
micahcowanBut, I think the issue wouldn't be main vs universe, so much as main/universe versus restricted/multiverse.10:28
micahcowanat least 5-10 minutes. People sometimes check this spot sporadically.10:29
micahcowanIf you don't get an answer, I'd post to the mailing list.10:29
Noumaanmicahcowan: we are free to distribute this font so I guess it should be available in Main10:29
micahcowanNot only that, but we are free to modify it, provided we change the name. That seems pretty durn free. If it should be available on default install, then yeah, it should probably go in main.10:30
micahcowanBut if it were decided to be an un-free license, you couldn't have it in universe either (according to my understanding).10:30
Noumaanmicahcowan:  I am quite excited you know currently we dont have any decent font for Urdu in Ubuntu10:31
NoumaanIt will be great to have it available out of box usability I mean isnt this great?10:32
micahcowanOop: the "can't sell by itself" clause could make it considered unfree (even though it wouldn't pose a practical problem)... I know RMS would consider that non-free, dunno about debian/ubuntu.10:32
Noumaanmicahcowan: we can rename it to Ubuntu-Web-Naskh10:33
ryanakcamicahcowan: well... we aren't exactly selling it, are we?10:33
Noumaanthe word Nafees is copyrighted10:33
Noumaanor the Ubuntu-Urdu-Naskh Naskh is the word for font in Urdu10:34
ryanakcayou can copyright words? since when?10:34
micahcowanAccording to the license, we don't need to rename it, provided that we do not modify it. Many, many things are copyrighted that are in Ubuntu (but I think you meant trademarked, for which that statement is true).10:34
Noumaanryanakca: no I mean Nafees is the product name here10:34
ryanakcaNoumaan: oh, ok10:34
NoumaanSo we can add it as it is renaming it to Ubuntu-Urdu-Naskh available by default :)10:35
micahcowanThis might be more an issue for the ubuntu-legal (?) mailing list.10:35
Noumaanmicahcowan:  I dont think so since we are already allowed to distribute the font10:36
Noumaan""The Font Software may be modified, altered, or added  to, and in particular the designs of glyphs or characters in the Fonts may be  modified and additional glyphs or characters may be added to the Fonts, only if  the font is renamed to names not containing either the words Nafees or the  word CRULP.""10:36
micahcowanNoumaan, that's not the only issue. Obviously, we are already allowed to distribute virtually anything that exists in the restricted or multiverse repositories as well. That doesn't make them Free.10:36
Noumaanmicahcowan:  hmmm10:39
ryanakcacan someone look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2926 please?10:39
micahcowanryanakca, if you don't get a motu's attention, you might try the mailing list.10:41
Noumaanryanakca: i am there what you want me to look at?10:41
ryanakcaNoumaan: are you a MOTU?10:42
Noumaanryanakca: No10:42
micahcowanNoumaan, I think he specifically wants the attention of someone empowered to approve the package/move the review process along :)10:42
ryanakcaNoumaan: nevermind :)  I'm looking for a motu who can review my package10:43
Noumaanok I am sorry I thought he has uploaded the urdu font :(10:43
asimonryanakca: I am no MOTU either, but you don't need to set those DEB_ vars in your rules file. The dir and suffix are standard and should be automatiically detected.10:43
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ryanakcaasimon: well, the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_eqonomize := debian/eqonomize.1      is required, isn't it? otherwise my man page doesn't get installed...10:47
asimonryanakca: Yes, but for man pages, but in this rules file I only see DEB_PATCHDIRS and DEB_PATCH_SUFFIX10:48
asimonryanakca: Ah, I looked at the old version10:48
ryanakcaasimon: lol10:50
asimonryanakca: You also don't need to include both kde.mk and autotools.mk. kde.mk is enough because it includes autotools.mk by itself. In the control file you can delete libqt-mt-dev, it's already a dependency of kdelibs4-dev10:52
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ryanakcaasimon: get rid of DEB_PATCH* ?10:54
asimonryanakca: Yes, if you look into simple-patchsys.mk, DEB_PATCHDIRS gets already set to debian/patches if you don't set it to something otherwise. AndDEB_PATCH_SUFFIX by default includes .diff already.10:56
Noumaanmicahcowan: I have been asked by a community member to join the devel maling list and write there10:58
micahcowansounds like a good idea, Noumaan. See you on the list. :-)10:58
welshbytehm, revu is meant to give me an encrypted message to decrypt in order to find my password but there's nothing after it says "Now paste the text below, and enter EOT<return>"10:59
asimonwelshbyte: Yes, that's currently broken. I don't have a password too. But the admins know about it.11:00
welshbyteoh ok, good good11:00
ryanakcaasimon: and do I need the "man" line?11:08
asimonryanakca: Yes11:08
asimonryanakca: At least I think so ;-)11:08
lfittlanybody interested in taking a quick look at libgrapple (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2930)? (also non-MOTUs, reviews help with finding problems ;))11:15
micahcowanlfittl, did you notice the lintian complaint about src/.#socket.c.1.33?11:20
lfittlmicahcowan: I can't fix that, this has to be fixed in the source tarball, which means upstream, and I will send mail to upstream about it, will go away with their next release11:21
micahcowanlfittl, I wondered.11:21
lfittlbddebian: ping, do you have time to review something for me? :)11:25
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raphinkwb LaserJock11:29
bddebianlfittl: I can when I get home11:29
lfittlbddebian: perfect, thanks :)11:30
asimonWeren't there once so called 'review days'?11:31
lfittlasimon: yep, but its simply too much stuff on REVU to get it done in one day (especially if not all MOTUs are doing reviews)11:32
asimonI understand.11:33
raphinklfittl: simple contributors are welcome to review packages and send their comments by email to MOTUs11:33
raphinkI encourage it11:33
raphink(personally, but I think I'm not the only one)11:33
lfittlraphink: sure, I know, but considering that I will hopefully be a MOTU after the next TB meeting, it is better to wait and do more packaging ;)11:34
lfittlraphink: I also think when REVU2 comes sometime, we might get more people interested in doing reviews11:35
raphinknot sure no11:35
raphinkalthough I would hope so11:36
raphinkwow you've been busy on packages11:36
raphinkjust checking your LP page11:36
raphinkwhat are all these .app packages?11:36
raphinknever saw them11:36
lfittlgnustep packages11:36
asimongnustep is still alive? ;-)11:36
lfittlthese were just rebuilds, thats why there are so many11:37
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raphinkoh ic11:37
lfittlraphink: I have 7-8 other new packages laying around here, just have to clean them up and get reviews :)11:37
raphinkok :)11:38
lfittlraphink: do you have some time for a quick look at libgrapple? :)11:39
raphinkI should go to bed11:39
raphinkI don't sleep enough lately :s11:39
lfittlah, I know that too well, should go to bed too..11:39
lfittlbut there is always stuff that you just want to have finished before doing so ;)11:40
raphinkhehe yes11:40
raphinkbut there are so many things I want to have finished11:41
raphinkI also need someone to check a package on REVU before I upload it11:41
lfittlexactly, you should see my todo list :D11:41
raphinkI don' tdo todo lists anymore11:41
raphinkI just hope that the things I will remember are the ones I need to do11:42
lfittlanyway, will simply go to bed, package should be fine, and there is no importance in uploading it11:43
lfittlgn8 everybody11:43
micahcowanis there a package similar to build-essential, that depends on build-essential plus all the development docs like manpages-dev, glibc-doc and gcc-doc, etc?11:46
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azeemmicahcowan: not that I know of11:48
micahcowanalright: if I'm liable to want those three things, what else might I be missing that I might desire?11:48
azeemautoconf-doc etc. maybe11:49
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geseri'm currently looking at mail-notification because of the libgail soname change11:54
gesera rebuild would fix it but there is also a newer debian package11:54
geserthe diff between the debian versions mentions three changes11:55
geserone change is only listed in the changelog11:55
geserone change changes a build-depends but it should be reverted for ubuntu as we don't have the new build-depends11:57
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geserand the third change mentions a duplicate depends on evolution11:59
geserbut the ubuntu package has no duplicate depends on evolution and without it the package doesn't depend on evolution anymore11:59
gesershould the package still be merge or is a rebuild sufficient?12:00
Amaranth_\sh_away: compile wine with -fno-stack-protector12:00
Amaranth_\sh_away: (if you didn't already find a fix)12:01
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