[09:45] <rodarvus> fabbione, I added a patch for pci domains support to xorg-server on dapper-updates
[09:46] <rodarvus> (this patch was requested by ben, for a customer, I think)
[09:46] <fabbione> ok
[09:46] <fabbione> feh
[09:46] <rodarvus> unfortunately this patch breaks X for a few configurations, so I'm reverting it, for the moment
[09:46] <rodarvus> (actually, I'm test building it locally, before the upload)
[09:48] <fabbione> rodarvus: make sense yes
[11:38] <Seveas> fabbione, could you accept Ubugtu as a member of the X swat on launchpad please
[11:42] <fabbione> Seveas: why does it need to be memeber of the group?
[11:43] <rodarvus> fabbione, I asked Seveas for Ubugtu to announce new X.Org bugs here
[11:43] <fabbione> ah ok
[11:43] <fabbione> sure
[11:44] <rodarvus> (makes it easy to catch important bugs quickly)
[11:44] <fabbione> done
[11:45] <rodarvus> thanks!
[11:46] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter
[11:46] <Ubugtu> 
[11:46] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugreporter /home/dennis/ubugtu/data/bugmail-x
[11:46] <Seveas> @config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[11:47] <Seveas> @config list plugins.bugtracker 
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57153 in xorg-server "xorg-server 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3 breaks X: "no screens found"" [High,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57153
[11:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57216 in xorg-server "New update kills ATI detection" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57216
[11:47] <Seveas> rodarvus, it's working
[11:47] <rodarvus> Seveas, thanks a lot!
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57221 in xorg-server "gdm never starts after upgrade of xserver-xorg-core" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57221
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57222 in xorg-server "xorg-core update 10.3 breaks X" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57222
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57227 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3 missing some device drivers? X doesn't start: stops to fatal error" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57227
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57229 in xorg "Kubuntu drops me unpredictably to tty1, tty2 etc" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57229
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57232 in xorg-server "1.0.3 breaks X" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57232
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57236 in xorg-server "My X will not start again after last update" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57236
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57238 in xorg-server "X doesnt start: No devices detected." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57238
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57239 in xorg-server "video card no detected anymore" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57239
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57263 in xorg-server "Failed to detect GPU after upgrade" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57263
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57276 in xorg-server "X fails to find savage card after upgrade to xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57276
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57278 in xorg-server "Kubuntu dapper: xserver-xorg-core 10.3 doesn't work with nvidia_glx" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57278
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57282 in xorg-server "After upgrading dapper 22:nd of august, X doesn't start" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57282
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57283 in xorg "latest xserver fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57283
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57287 in xorg-server "X fails to find ATI Radeon chip after upgrade to xserver-xorg-core-1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57287
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57288 in xorg-server "latest update of xserver-xorg-core fails PCI scan" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57288
[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57290 in xorg-server "Xserver fails after restart" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57290
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57292 in xorg-server "Recent versions in dapper-updates break mga200 detection" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57292
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57295 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update on August 22, 2006 blows up" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57295
[04:14] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: how do you feel about building kdrive from xorg-server?
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57297 in xorg-server "Update to version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3: xserver not longer starts" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57297
[04:37] <Mithrandir> we're aiming for most-duplicated bug report?
[04:56] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: also, what's happening with xapps?  I thought we were just going to sync them?
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57304 in xorg-server "updating to the newest package 1.0.2 ubuntu10.3 makes the xserver unable to start" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57304
[05:35] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, yes, I think kdrive could be built by xorg-server indeed. I haven't checked the source code inside xorg-server to be sincere, but it surely deserves an investigation
[05:36] <rodarvus> basically the reason I haven't done that before is because there was a reasonable chance the version of kdrive inside xorg-server was crap (and I didn't have had much time to deal with it yet)
[05:37] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, we have the current version of all xapps
[05:38] <rodarvus> I intended to sync them initially, but found out debian was seriously outdated on this regard
[05:38] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: I just did a build of xorg-server with --enable-kdrive and the server seems to work fine for me at least.
[05:40] <rodarvus> what is the difference of --enable-kdrive and --enable-xephyr
[05:40] <rodarvus> (I built it locally too, but didn't tested yet)
[05:40] <Mithrandir> xephyr is one of the kdrive servers
[05:41] <rodarvus> isn't it the server we want/need?
[05:41] <Mithrandir> Xsdl is another
[05:41] <Mithrandir> (Xvesa another, Xfake a third, etc)
[05:41] <Mithrandir> yes, if we want to enable any kdrive servers, Xephyr is the one we want.
[05:41] <Mithrandir> I don't think we'd want any others.
[05:42] <rodarvus> agree
[05:43] <Mithrandir> it'd fix 57077 too
[05:44] <Mithrandir> I can't find the version of kdrive in the server though.. might need to talk to rburton about that.
[05:44] <rodarvus> right
[05:44] <Mithrandir> (whether xorg-server is newer than xserver-kdrive or not)
[05:44] <rodarvus> it is inside hw/kdrive I think
[05:44] <rodarvus> but it breaks
[05:44] <rodarvus> (build breaks, I mean)
[05:44] <Mithrandir> worked for me
[05:44] <Mithrandir> do you have a build failure now?
[05:45] <rodarvus> I built entering obj-*/hw/kdrive + make (after debuild with --enable-xephyr)
[05:45] <rodarvus> I expected it to build automatically during the .deb build, but it didn't happened
[05:46] <Mithrandir> did for me
[05:46] <Mithrandir> oh, do --enable-kdrive
[05:46] <Mithrandir> it'll give you a xephyr server
[05:46] <rodarvus> oh, nice
[05:46] <Mithrandir> without, it won't build any of the kdrive stuff, AIUI
[05:58] <tom_> hi chaps, after that xserver-xorg-core update broke my x, I have tried everything suggested on the forum and in #ubuntu but cant get my xserver running
[05:59] <tom_> probably due to my having messed up the xserver installation before realising that this was a general ubuntu problem
[05:59] <tom_> currently my xserver error log says:  (EE) no devices detected
[05:59] <tom_> Fatal server error
[05:59] <tom_> no screens found
[06:00] <tom_> what should I do?
[06:00] <ubugbla> New bug: #57308 in xorg "Xorg and ATI X600 - RV370/380 (5B62) doesn't work" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57308
[06:00] <rodarvus> tom_, it looks like you are still running the broken version of xserver-xorg-core.
[06:01] <tom_> rodarvus: I tried  upgrading to 10.4 and downgrade to 10.0 
[06:01] <rodarvus> tom_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core:1.1.0.2-0ubuntu10.2
[06:02] <rodarvus> upgrading to 10.4 should fix you problem, indeed
[06:02] <tom_> I'll run that again just check
[06:02] <rodarvus> it was published to the archive, and most (all?) mirrors should already have it by now
[06:04] <tom_> but I think I may have caused another problem by removing xserver-xorg before following the instructions
[06:04] <tom_> I tried to reinstall but I think I may have lost some packages
[06:04] <Mithrandir> that shouldn't cause any problems, I'd think.
[06:05] <tom_> rodarvus:  is "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core:1.1.0.2-0ubuntu10.2" a typo?
[06:05] <tom_> I thought it was 10.4
[06:05] <tom_> and that doesnt seem to work
[06:06] <rodarvus> it is 10.4. the only reason I asked you to install 10.2 is because I don't know which mirror you are using - your mirror could be outdated and that would let you start X as usual
[06:07] <tom_> but doing apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 works
[06:07] <tom_> and says is already the newest version installed
[06:08] <tom_> rodarvus: I think you missed the "=" ?
[06:09] <tom_> when I insert that and try with 10.2 it says that version is not found
[06:10] <rodarvus> tom_, yes, I did, please add it back :)
[06:11] <tom_> rodarvus:  I added it, but 10.2 aint found and 10.4 says I've already got the newest version installed
[06:12] <rodarvus> what 'dpkg --list xserver-xorg-core' returns for you? (please output only the relevant line)
[06:14] <tom_> erm, what is the relevant line?
[06:15] <tom_> under version is says 10.4
[06:17] <rodarvus> so you already got the latest version. if X is not working, its another issue (probably unrelated to 10.3)
[06:17] <tom_> rodarvus: the whole line is: xserver-xorg-core 1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4 X.Org X server -- core server
[06:17] <rodarvus> right
[06:18] <Mithrandir> tom_: you could try doing dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to reconfigure the X server again.
[06:18] <tom_> ok, yes, that what I thought, somewhere along the line I created another issue whilst trying to fix this one
[06:18] <tom_> Mithrandir: done that a few times already
[06:18] <tom_> any idea how to go about this other problem, whatever it is?
[06:19] <tom_> + fixing
[06:19] <tom_> what causes the no screens found error normally?
[06:19] <Mithrandir> can you put your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log in a pastebin somewhere?
[06:19] <tom_> is there a command I can to re-install everything that x needs to function properly
[06:20] <tom_> Mithrandir: yes, let me just copy them over to this machine...
[06:24] <tom_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21410
[06:25] <tom_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21411
[06:27] <tom_> Mithrandir: here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21410 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21411 :)
[06:28] <Mithrandir> tom_: looking at them.  The network here isn't the quickest one around
[06:28] <rodarvus> tom_, even tough dpkg believes you are running 10.4, it seems you are really running 10.3
[06:28] <tom_> okay ??
[06:28] <rodarvus> is there any chance you --forced it somehow?
[06:28] <tom_> yes
[06:29] <tom_> I think I may have tried a -f at some point if that is what you mean?
[06:29] <rodarvus> download http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/dapper/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb
[06:29] <rodarvus> install it (dpkg --install ...)
[06:29] <rodarvus> ...
[06:29] <rodarvus> profit!
[06:29] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: any reason why the Xorg.0.log doesn't include the full Ubuntu version number?
[06:29] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, not really, actually
[06:29] <rodarvus> and indeed, it would be really helpful
[06:29] <tom_> rodarvus: I've tried that before, but I'll try it again...
[06:31] <tom_> same problem persists
[06:33] <tom_> rodarvus: as you (?) pointed out, it would appear that I have some other problem, shall I submit a new bug?
[06:34] <tom_> or have you got any more ideas of other things to try?
[06:34] <tom_> is there a command I can to re-install everything that x needs to function properly?
[06:34] <rodarvus> there is nothing else easily apparent from your Xorg.0.log file
[06:34] <rodarvus> please follow the steps in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[06:35] <rodarvus> there  is quite a lot of helpful information on this page
[06:35] <rodarvus> and eventually if the informations there doesn't fix your problems, it teaches you on how to prepare a proper bug report
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57313 in xorg-server "xserver doesn't start on hp compaq nc8000 laptop" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57313
[07:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57319 in xorg-server ""X -scanpci" fails to find graphics adapter" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57319
[07:25] <tom_> thanks rodarvus 
[07:25] <tom_> got it in the end
[07:25] <rodarvus> what was it?
[07:26] <tom_> somehow, the right driver wasnt installed for the video card anymore
[07:26] <tom_> the video card was a savage
[07:27] <tom_> and it turns out there is a package: xserver-xorg-driver-savage
[07:27] <tom_> which wasnt installed
[07:29] <Mithrandir> you probably uninstalled it while debugging, then
[07:30] <tom_> yeah, somehow
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57325 in xorg-server "(EE) No devices detected." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57325
[07:30] <Mithrandir> but if it's fixed, that's good. :-)
[07:30] <tom_> yeah though it has taken up most of my day
[07:30] <tom_> though at least now I have some idea what X is!
[07:31] <Mithrandir> we're _really_ sorry about that.
[07:31] <rodarvus> the last 12 hours were not the best hours of my life, but I'll get over it
[07:31] <tom_> sure, well its the first major problem I have had running ubuntu for 18 months
[07:32] <Mithrandir> we've managed to piss off a lot of users and the only thing I can say is "we promise to do better in the future".
[07:32] <tom_> sure, I guess its been pretty damn stressful for you guys
[07:33] <tom_> well, best of luck with making sure it doesnt happen again :)
[07:33] <Mithrandir> thanks. :-)
[07:34] <Mithrandir> and again, sorry for fucking it up in the first place.
[07:34] <tom_> I dont imagine the work you guys are doing is easy
[07:34] <tom_> Mithrandir: everyone makes mistakes from time to time ;)
[07:35] <Mithrandir> tom_: yeah, I guess.  About time it was us, then.
[07:35] <Mithrandir> We'll get over it
[07:35] <tom_> :)
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57329 in xserver-xorg-video-via "upgrade to latest xorg has stopped my CLE266 from working" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57329
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57333 in xserver-xorg-video-via "22-Aug-06 xorg update killed X on my Latitude D810" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57333
[08:59] <heimweh> join #ubuntu-devel
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57338 in xorg-server (main) "Graphic mode is broken" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57338
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57339 in xorg-server "Fatal server error: no screens found" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57339
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57345 in xorg-server "No devices detected. after update to xserver-xorg-core 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10.3" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57345
[11:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57358 in xorg-server "Update breaks xserver (fix = apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10)" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57358