[12:32] <HedgeMage> hi Burgwork 
[12:33] <pygi> HedgeMage, !!!
[12:33] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)
[12:40] <Burgwork> hey HedgeMage 
[12:40] <HedgeMage> What's up?
[12:46] <Burgwork> not much
[01:28] <Ilusion> HI. :)
[01:28] <Ilusion> looks crowded in here... 
[01:28] <Ilusion> anyone up for answering inanae n00b questions?
[01:28] <Ilusion> Hello?
[01:28] <Ilusion> :)
[01:29] <Ilusion> :(
[01:29] <Ilusion> Anyone? Buhler?
[01:29] <Burgwork> Ilusion, what is your issue>?
[01:29] <Ilusion> follwoing instructions here:
[01:30] <Ilusion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[01:30] <Ilusion> get to the point where I try to mount the /opt/ltsp from the live cd booted machine
[01:30] <Ilusion> command:
[01:30] <Ilusion> sudo mount <yourserverip>:/opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp
[01:31] <Ilusion> I get ""mount point /opt/ltsp does not exist"
[01:31] <Ilusion> I can ping the server and there are only 2 machines on that hub, so I know the server is up and ok...
[01:31] <Burgwork> you need to run the live cd on a client
[01:31] <Ilusion> did that
[01:31] <Ilusion> :)
[01:31] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:31] <Burgwork> you also need to install the ltsp on the live cd
[01:31] <Burgwork> "Install the ltsp-server package on the liveCD "
[01:32] <Ilusion> ah.. more misinterpretation from me then.. I assumed the text meant the next example line would perform that task...
[01:32] <Burgwork> no, it would not
[01:33] <Burgwork> you can edit the text to be better, however
[01:33] <Ilusion> I think I may do that as there have been two areas on that howto that stumped me.. this being the second...
[01:33] <Ilusion> is the ltsp somthing I can install using hmmm whats the command... ap-get or somthing like that?
[01:33] <Burgwork> yep
[01:34] <Burgwork> ltsp-server is a package name
[01:34] <Ilusion> is the syntax in that doc somewhere?
[01:34] <Burgwork> search for it in synaptic
[01:34] <Ilusion> synaptic?
[01:34] <Burgwork> or run apt-get install ltsp-server on the command line
[01:34] <Burgwork> no worries
[01:35] <Burgwork> the goal of Edubuntu is to be make it easy for non-techy teachers to be able to instlal it
[01:35] <Ilusion> thats sorta me.. i just have the "wrong" tech background... 15-20 years of novell/windows... :)
[01:36] <Ilusion> woo! that worked.. its getting the package...
[01:36] <Ilusion> i had to use sudo beforre apt-get though.. (im making notes so i can update that page... :)
[01:37] <Burgwork> yep
[01:37] <Ilusion> last install i did was slakware in 1996... :)
[01:37] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[01:37] <Burgwork> hey jsgotangco 
[01:37] <Ilusion> of linux that is..
[01:37] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:37] <Ilusion> done a few novell suse installs, but those dont count ;)
[01:38] <Burgwork> ideally, apt shoudl undertsand arches, so that you could say "apt-get install i386:ltsp-server'
[01:39] <Ilusion> nutz. i didnt set a pri-dns in my dhcp so my client cant find the archive. can i set a pri dns using like ipconfig?
[01:40] <Burgwork> edit /etc/resolv.conf directly
[01:44] <Ilusion> ok, i got resolv.conf up in nano, I added nameserver <ip address of my pri dns> and saved it... 
[01:45] <Ilusion> but i cant resolv my name server domain...?
[01:45] <Ilusion> is the syntax like a hosts file?
[01:45] <Ilusion> i.e. <name> tab <IP>?
[01:45] <Burgwork> nameserver IP
[01:45] <Ilusion> hmmm i did that...
[01:47] <Ilusion> looks like maybe the default gateway isnt setup in dhcp either... dangit...
[01:53] <Ilusion> ok, i just fixed the errors in the dhcp, is their a "ipconfig -renew" type command?
[01:53] <Ilusion> to force the client to renew its IP address via dhcp?
[01:57] <Ilusion> nvrmind.. found i could do this with the GUI tool... 
[01:57] <Ilusion> :)
[01:57] <Ilusion> ok, back to apt-getting now... :)
[02:05] <Ilusion> cool! it mounted and its building the clinet.. hmm in the doc it says to take a coffe break, as it will take a long time.. since my client is an old k6450 with 128m of ram.. i think i"m gunna go home and let it run over night. Thank you for your help!! :)
[03:05] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:32] <kwak> hi, how do i refresh ltsp setup?
[03:35] <sbalneav> Refresh as in update the packages?
[03:36] <sbalneav> You can respond either here, or #ltsp :)
[04:01] <kwak> anybody knows how to install flash player, adobe acrobat, and java?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> kwak: is it 32 bit ubuntu?
[04:13] <kwak> yes
[04:14] <gnomefreak> kwak: enable multiverse and universe repos and than sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java5-jre and i cant remember acroread i think is the package
[04:24] <kwak> sorry newbie in ubuntu. how do i enable multiverse and universe?
[04:24] <kwak> repos
[04:24] <gnomefreak> !repos
[04:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[04:25] <kwak> oic. il try it and check also the docs
[04:25] <kwak> thanks ubotu
[04:33] <kwak> i've heard the the another version of edubuntu will come out in two months. im using 6.06, will i be able to upgrade it without wiping the disk?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> kwak: yes
[04:38] <kwak> ok good. i got hit failed in updating repos. 
[04:39] <kwak> it's not block on my content filter. 
[04:39] <kwak> but still failing.
[04:41] <kwak> i got this message as well
[04:41] <kwak> E: couldn't find package...
[05:11] <kwak> well, i already enabled all repos, and reload successful, but when i apt-get install, can't find the plugin. i also look for a guide in google and found one. but still cannot find the file. what could be wrong.
[05:21] <Burgundavia> kwak: what areyo u looking for?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> flashplugin-nonfree
[05:22] <kwak> yes
[05:22] <kwak> i tried to issue this command
[05:22] <kwak> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:43] <kwak> im here
[05:43] <sbalneav> ok, how did you add the repo?
[05:43] <sbalneav> do this:
[05:44] <kwak> i used software properties and synaptic
[05:44] <sbalneav> click on system->administration->Software Properties
[05:44] <kwak> yes did that.
[05:44] <sbalneav> Well, you didn't do it right, or it would have worked :)
[05:44] <sbalneav> So follow along with me...
[05:45] <kwak> i even checked everythingk
[05:45] <sbalneav> What does the top one say:
[05:45] <kwak> sorry
[05:45] <kwak> wrong message
[05:45] <kwak> ok i will follow
[05:45] <sbalneav> Should say: Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (binary)
[05:45] <kwak> in the installation media?
[05:45] <sbalneav> Correct
[05:46] <kwak> yes it is ubuntu 6.06
[05:47] <kwak> then
[05:47] <sbalneav> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Binary)?
[05:47] <kwak> yes
[05:47] <sbalneav> ok, read what it says underneatth
[05:49] <kwak> ok. now i got it. i should click edit and check multiverse.
[05:49] <kwak> :)
[05:49] <sbalneav> if you've got it right, it should say 4 items:
[05:50] <sbalneav> Officially supported
[05:50] <sbalneav> Restricted copyright
[05:50] <sbalneav> Community Maintained (Universe)
[05:50] <sbalneav> Non-free (multiverse)
[05:50] <sbalneav> Then it should work.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Lots of people in #ubuntu will try to get you to edit the file by hand...
[05:51] <sbalneav> They're smoking crack.  Use the tool: it's much easier, and less error prone.
[05:55] <kwak> hehehe
[05:55] <kwak> yeah. but i don't ind command
[05:55] <kwak> line
[05:55] <kwak> have class. thanks sbalneav
[05:57] <sbalneav> np
[06:08] <kwak> 7 students are using now. is teachertool installed in edubuntu?
[06:10] <sbalneav> That I don't know.
[06:31] <LaserJock> I sure wish ogra was on :(
[06:34] <kwak> hi again sbalneav: do you know how to disable the shutdown button from client workstation.
[06:34] <sbalneav> heh
[06:35] <sbalneav> that one's a bug
[06:35] <sbalneav> ummm
[06:35] <sbalneav> hold on...
[06:38] <sbalneav> It's something you set in the gconf editor, but I can't quite find it
[06:38] <sbalneav> still googleing
[06:41] <kwak> i will try google also.
[06:41] <kwak> somebody shutdown the server then i it does't bott anymore
[06:42] <sbalneav> yeah
[06:42] <sbalneav> Umm, are you subscribed to the edubuntu mailing list?
[06:42] <kwak> not yet.
[06:42] <sbalneav> I'll look it up, and post something there tommorrow.
[06:43] <kwak> well it's working again after reboot
[06:43] <sbalneav> It's fixed in the next version already.
[06:43] <sbalneav> it's just a case of looking up what the fix is.
[06:43] <sbalneav> Search the edubuntu mailing list archives.
[06:44] <sbalneav> I think it's been covered already.
[06:44] <LaserJock> I believe so, although I can't remember the fix either
[06:45] <kwak> k
[08:39] <magnon> Burgundavia: ping
[08:40] <Burgundavia> magnon: pong
[08:40] <magnon> Does ubuntu have some support/service manager now?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> yes, support is lead by Jeff Bailey
[08:41] <Burgundavia> out of montreal
[08:41] <Burgundavia> hey rodarvus
[08:41] <magnon> so he's very much asleep now then :P
[08:41] <Burgundavia> magnon: very much so, yes
[08:41] <rodarvus> good morning
[08:41] <magnon> anyone in europe on that team?
[08:41] <rodarvus> hey Burgundavia 
[08:42] <Burgundavia> magnon: no, the entire support team is in montreal
[08:42] <Burgundavia> however, they report to Jane
[08:42] <magnon> l2go worldwide :P
[08:42] <Burgundavia> jane will be waking up and at work in about 2 hrs, I expect
[08:42] <magnon> sounds good :)
[08:48] <Burgundavia> night
[08:54] <jsgotangco> hey rodarvus
[08:54] <rodarvus> hi jsgotangco 
[08:54] <jsgotangco> hows things?
[09:03] <magnon> morning ogra :)
[09:04] <ogra> hey magnon ! :)
[09:04] <magnon> glorious morning!
[09:05] <magnon> btw, does anyone know of a mac terminal thas sucks less than Terminall.app?
[09:05] <magnon> -l
[09:24] <willvdl> ola
[09:25] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:25] <cbx33> brb
[09:26] <kwak> anybody uses edubuntu for 25 clients? i want to know the performance. I noticed that the response is a little slow.
[09:27] <ogra> kwak, try turning the clients to 16bit colors, that speeds up a lot ... we default to 24bit currently (will change in the edgy release)
[09:27] <kwak> ogra: how do i do that? and when is the edgy release?
[09:27] <ogra> edgy is released in october
[09:28] <ogra> you create a file called: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[09:28] <ogra> put in the following two lines:
[09:28] <ogra> [default] 
[09:28] <ogra> X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[09:28] <ogra> then reboot the clients :)
[09:28] <RichEd> hi kwak - are you Edwardson Pedragosa from my inbox ?
[09:29] <kwak> yes
[09:29] <RichEd> hi ogra 
[09:29] <ogra> morning
[09:29] <kwak> hi RichEd.
[09:29] <RichEd> please (as a kind note) reailise that I am not the best person to mail with your individual user queries :)
[09:29] <kwak> i did a first test of my edubuntu server this morning.
[09:29] <kwak> np
[09:29] <RichEd> you will get better & faster reponses here in the channel ...
[09:30] <RichEd> i will also give you the mail lists in a sec ... those go to me and a bunch of other people, including the community ... who may be awake while others are sleeping
[09:31] <RichEd> how's the server ? look good ?
[09:31] <kwak> doing fine. i just experienced locked up this morning. The client clicked the hibernate button.
[09:32] <cbx33> Mr OG !!
[09:32] <cbx33> you got some time for your old buddy cbx33 to talk about SCP? :p
[09:32] <jsgotangco> hey you
[09:33] <jsgotangco> bribe him with wine
[09:33] <cbx33> ogra: can we get hibernate taken off the shutdown menu?
[09:33] <cbx33> RichEd: any news on the "pack" stff?
[09:34] <cbx33> sorry guys I know I'm being incredibly verbal today, but I may not be able to make the meeting, so I'm trying to get sorted all I can now
[09:34] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco how are you
[09:34] <cbx33> brb - 5
[09:34] <jsgotangco> pretty good i had a haricut and bought stuff for myself
[09:35] <RichEd> kwak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
[09:35] <RichEd> kwak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[09:35] <RichEd> hs jsgotangco hi cbx33 
[09:36] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd how's the day
[09:36] <RichEd> cbx33: yep ... Will is taking the lead ... he digs organising information as a passion of his :)
[09:37] <RichEd> so you can expect a proj plan around case studies & info packs to emerge, probably by tomorrow afternoon.
[09:37] <kwak> RichEd: thanks, i just joined that mailing list this morning
[09:38] <willvdl> we can chat about case studies in the meeting. need to feel out some opinions
[09:38] <RichEd> jsgotangco: bit wobbly ... still shaking off a head virus that was fighting with me yesterday ... thanks for asking
[09:39] <cbx33> willvdl: Hi
[09:39] <cbx33> oh not again
[09:39] <cbx33> ....grrr
[09:39] <cbx33> I hate working support
[09:39] <kwak> how the question earlier: removing hibernate buttong?
[09:39] <kwak> button?
[09:39] <cbx33> heheh
[09:39] <RichEd> hi will ... we'll discuss in theedubuntu meeting today and again 1-2-1- tomorrow after NEPAD
[09:40] <willvdl> excellent
[09:40] <cbx33> Lisa has to go to hospital today so I have to leave work early
[09:40] <RichEd> i need to do 1 year and 3 year plan for education ... all divisions have a task due 31 august ... i'll need your help with that
[09:40] <cbx33> the new minutes are up
[09:41] <RichEd> so we will have a big section on: targetted documentation & info for various audiences
[09:41] <cbx33> RichEd: w00t
[09:41] <cbx33> I hope ESA will help out there
[09:41] <jsgotangco> RichEd: the GILAS project only aims internet access so I guess we're a good sell here
[09:41] <willvdl> cool. I'm uploading my planned activities around Africa in general to the wiki today
[09:41] <RichEd> cbx33: hope it is not serious ? 
[09:41] <cbx33> RichEd: nope
[09:41] <cbx33> thankfully
[09:42] <RichEd> jsgotangco: yep, i've done the reading and cleared my understanding. will offer directed help, not tangential :)
[09:42] <jsgotangco> reduced cost of deployement because the platform is free is a good motivator
[09:43] <cbx33> bbiab guys
[09:43] <cbx33> currently network cabling in one room
[09:43] <cbx33> then running back here to speak to you guys
[09:43] <cbx33> :p
[09:47] <willvdl> http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/06/ubuntu_linux_a_threat_to_mac_o.html
[09:47] <willvdl> from ubuntu-marketing
[09:49] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[09:53] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[09:56] <pygi> morning highvoltage 
[09:58] <highvoltage> morning pygi 
[09:59] <cbx33> mornin highvoltage 
[10:06] <highvoltage> mornin' cbx33 
[10:06] <highvoltage> how are you all today?
[10:08] <pygi> highvoltage, good, good, will get libisofs rewrite today probably :)
[10:08] <pygi> what about you?
[10:11] <highvoltage> going good, we're preparing for a big meeting we're having with 120 schools tomorrow
 highvoltage, good, good, will get libisofs rewrite today probably :)
 what about you?
[10:12] <highvoltage> 10:11 <@highvoltage> going good, we're preparing for a big meeting we're having with 120 schools tomorrow
[10:12] <highvoltage> :p
[10:17] <pygi_> highvoltage, oh, nice :)
[10:57] <RichEd> ogra : just checking if you will be attending the meeing today ? I'm presuming not
[10:58] <RichEd> highvoltage: good luck for the meeting 
[11:00] <pygi_> RichEd, you've got another mail
[11:00] <RichEd> pygi_: will check in a few mins ...
[11:03] <pygi_> oki
[11:05] <highvoltage> RichEd: thanks
[11:08] <ogra> RichEd, thats totally depending on connectivity over here ... my laptop is up and down ... but i'll try to attend
[11:09] <ogra> btw, sabayon works on ltsp with the recent version, even with xnest ;)
[11:09] <ogra> (got it running here currently)
[11:10] <RichEd> ogra: i'm getting traffic crawl & disconnects & lookup failures my side as well ... problems not confined to your pipe today :)
[11:10] <ogra> well, for me its surely the line here :) our setup is a bit crappy and under heavy load
[11:23] <cbx33> ogra: when do you think you'l have time for me and SCP? just asking so I can plan my day, I'll probably be unavailable from about 12 - 7 UTC
[11:23] <cbx33> so I can either sqeeze it in now
[11:23] <cbx33> or later in the evening?
[11:23] <cbx33> if any of those times are good for you?
[11:24] <RichEd> pygi_: I've already been giving it some thought ... will mail or pvt you soon ...
[11:24] <cbx33> brb
[11:26] <pygi_> RichEd, thanks
[11:39] <RichEd> ping pygi_
[11:52] <RichEd> question on "public/private information" : Is the info that Ubuntu is being tested on HPC (High Performance Comuting) boxes public domain ? Can a comunity member delivering an Ubuntu presentation at a University in Hungary next month mention this as a high level comment. No specific vendor mention, just that is an area we are being called into ?
[11:54] <jsgotangco> we do have kernels tuned for such and the server team are doing other platforms suited for HPC
[11:55] <jsgotangco> as for sites we know, i cannot say
[12:07] <willvdl> RichEd, are we UTC+1 or +2? keep forgetting...
[12:12] <RichEd> willvdl: UTC = GMT for all intents & purposes as South Africans
[12:13] <RichEd> UTC stays as is ... GMT shifts when daylight savings becomes involved ... that's how I have it in my brain ... we have no daylight savings here so equivalent to me
[12:14] <willvdl> yeah but I can never remember when daylight savings turns on
[12:14] <willvdl> http://www.timeanddate.com/ <- they have a meeting planner
[12:35] <RichEd> willvdl: go into #ubuntu-meeting meet me there
[12:35] <RichEd> i'll show you some tricks ogra taught me
[12:52] <rodarvus> I've just noticed we have Edubuntu meeting in one hour from now
[12:53] <rodarvus> ogra and I have another meeting in one hour
[12:53] <ogra> do we ?
[12:53] <rodarvus> unless we just chose not to attend it :)
[12:55] <highvoltage> rodarvus: that is not an option!
[12:56] <highvoltage> :)
[01:01] <rodarvus> highvoltage, right ;)
[01:01] <ogra> lunchtime !
[01:02] <pygi> highvoltage, you shall soon drop mkisofs :)
[01:03] <highvoltage> pygi: really? can libburn make bootable cd's without mkisofs?
[01:03] <pygi> highvoltage, libisofs....but it doesn't support eltorito yet...I know how to do basic implementation tho (without multiple boot entries)
[01:05] <pygi> soon we'll have entire rewrite ready -- from 5k lines to 3k lines..and new implementation has new features :)
[01:43] <pips1> hi all
[01:46] <highvoltage> hi pips1 
[01:48] <lucasvo> ogra: how many times do I have to tell you?
[01:49] <lucasvo> ogra: why the heck am I subscribed to the same ML twice?
[01:49] <pips1> hey lucasvo
[01:50] <pygi> lucasvo, calm down pls :)
[01:50] <lucasvo> pygi: well, I asked about 4 times...
[01:50] <lucasvo> pygi: and its crap to get them twice
[01:51] <highvoltage> lucasvo: I get everything thrice
[01:52] <lucasvo> pips1: got to go now... I'll be back and answer in query in half an hour
[01:53] <pips1> highvoltage hehe
[01:53] <pips1> lucasvo oki
[01:53] <ogra> lucasvo, i told you 4 times now that we just copied the users from -devel t -users, if you dont want to be on one of them please usubscribe ...
[01:54] <ogra> :)
[01:59] <pygi> lol
[01:59] <RichEd> ------ edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ---- 1 minute ----
[02:00] <RichEd> ------ edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ---- now ----
[02:30] <lucasvo> pygi, ogra: And I told you a hunderd times that I am subscribed to edubuntu-users TWICE
[02:30] <lucasvo> and once to edubuntu-dev
[02:30] <lucasvo> I only need the -users once
[02:30] <ogra> lucasvo, how should that work ? 
[02:30] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know
[02:30] <ogra> i only noticed that your mails come in twice if you send them 
[02:30] <lucasvo> ogra: but I know I get them twice
[02:31] <ogra> but mailman doesnt allow one address to be subscribed more than once to one list by design
[02:31] <lucasvo> yeah
[02:31] <lucasvo> is there a majordomo?
[03:04] <pips1> back here
[03:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: the biggest notable difference i could find in edgy was gaim2
[03:04] <highvoltage> it's a *huge* improvement on the gaim in dapper.
[03:04] <jsgotangco> really
[03:04] <highvoltage> yep
[03:05] <willvdl> highvoltage, does it handle irc better?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hopefully this doesn't get borked
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i have no machines at the moment except this laptop
[03:05] <highvoltage> willvdl: i normally use irssi for IRC, I didn't like IRC on Gaim previously, irssi just works well, so I stick to it
[03:06] <highvoltage> irssi also works in screen, which is a big ++
[03:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:07] <willvdl> ah. tarted off using gaim for irc until I realised I couldn't do pvt msg's
[03:08] <jsgotangco> really? im pretty sure you can
[03:08] <highvoltage> you can
[03:08] <willvdl> could receive them but couldn't send
[03:08] <highvoltage> yes you can :)
[03:08] <jsgotangco> double click on the nick you want to send a pvt?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage-gaim: show off
[03:09] <highvoltage-gaim> heh
[03:09] <willvdl> :P
[03:09] <pips1> Has anyone ever seen hauntedpalace, toxictoadz, ulinskie in #edubuntu?
[03:10] <highvoltage-gaim> i have seen toxictoads in #edubuntu only once
[03:10] <jsgotangco> ulinskie has been very busy at her work lately
[03:10] <willvdl> !seen hauntedpalace
[03:10] <highvoltage> at least, I have :)
[03:10] <ubotu> I haven't seen hauntedpalace recently
[03:11] <pips1> (they are all listed in LP as members of edubuntu-website)
[03:12] <pips1> I am just trying to get an idea of who might be available to help :-)
[03:12] <pips1> jsgotangco: so you know ulinskie..
[03:16] <pips1> https://launchpad.net/people/loco-philippine-team wow!
[03:19] <highvoltage> pips1: that team needs some major re-form, really. all of them expressed interest to help
[03:19] <highvoltage> pips1: they just need some management and co-ordination
[03:20] <highvoltage> pips1: there are many people who would like to help, who doesn't really participate in IRC
[03:21] <pips1> yeah, let's get them going :-)
[03:22] <jsgotangco> pips1: ive met her a few times already
[03:22] <jsgotangco> pips1: you will find her attractive
[03:23] <pips1> I would like to know who works for a school, or currently study in school...
[03:23] <jsgotangco> she does
[03:23] <pips1> ah, good to know
[03:25] <pips1> isn't there a plugin for firefox that opens all links from a page as separate tags?
[03:26] <pips1> s/tags/tabs
[03:27] <pips1> ach, I meant ff extension, not plugin, of course
[03:36] <willvdl> interesting, edubuntu installs on my new machine, but ubuntu  hangs on uncompressing the kernel
[03:45] <sbalneav> Morning all!!
[03:46] <pluto_> night for me
[03:46] <willvdl> ola
[03:47] <sbalneav> ogra: pingity
[03:48] <pluto_> hey does  anybody have problems capturing audi from mic?
[03:48] <pluto_> *audio
[03:52] <willvdl> what hardware?
[04:13] <DanielC> Hello everyone. I'm having a problem that is a bit hard to reproduce. If I boot up several (~5) clients right at the same time they all fail when trying to mount /opt/ltsp/i386.
[04:13] <DanielC> If I boot up any one client (or two) they boot up fine.
[04:13] <sbalneav> DanielC: Do you get a message like: "Waiting for NFS?"
[04:13] <DanielC> The error is "mount: PRC: Timed out; mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor"
[04:14] <DanielC> RPC
[04:14] <DanielC> "RPC timeout" is similar to "waiting for NFS", right?
[04:14] <sbalneav> what do you have for networking hardware?  10 base T?  100 base T?  Switch or hub?
[04:14] <DanielC> Uhmm.... dunno.
[04:14] <DanielC> The cards are old.
[04:14] <DanielC> So 10 base is a safe bet.
[04:14] <DanielC> Switch most likely.
[04:15] <sbalneav> I'm willing to bet it's a hub
[04:15] <DanielC> Hmm...
[04:15] <sbalneav> You see that sort of thing on a hub: the clients start dropping packets, and it usually shows up as NFS timeouts.
[04:16] <DanielC> I see.
[04:16] <sbalneav> 5 clients booting at exactly the same time will generate a lot of traffic.
[04:16] <sbalneav> if you don't have a switch in place to moderate the traffic, you'll get a ton of collisions.
[04:16] <DanielC> And the room should be able to boot 20 clients at the same time.
[04:17] <DanielC> If we have a switch, but all the cards are old and 10-base, would that cause the same problem?
[04:17] <sbalneav> then you'll definitely want to make sure you've got a switch.
[04:17] <sbalneav> No, shouldn't.  The machines will be slower, but they should function.
[04:18] <sbalneav> And if they've got 10 meg cards, it's unlikely they have a switch. :)
[04:18] <DanielC> Well, we're reusing the old computers but I *think* we installed the switch or hub ourselves.
[04:18] <DanielC> I'll go ask the other people and see what we have.
[04:18] <DanielC> Thanks for the help!
[04:18] <sbalneav> No problem.
[04:26] <crimsun> willvdl: (btw, the patch for your speaker problem was submitted yesterday [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-August/001033.html] )
[04:28] <willvdl> sweet.
[04:31] <willvdl> for the record, running on travelmate 4220 series (4222WLMi)
[04:46] <pips1> lucasvo: ping
[04:51] <mhz> RichEd: hi there
[04:51] <mhz> hi all
[04:51] <pips1> hi mhz
[04:51] <mhz> pips1: hi
[04:51] <pips1> how are things in Chile?
[04:53] <mhz> pips1: well, in Chile, regarding Education?
[04:53] <mhz> or in general
[04:53] <mhz> ?
[04:53] <pips1> in general
[04:54] <jsgotangco> how's the moin scene in chile :P
[04:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: hey! you piece of hacker! :D
[04:54] <mhz> pips1: in general, interesting scenarios in economics, social, and politics
[04:55] <mhz> in education, Students are still forcing the Gov. to make serious modifications to education sys
[04:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: still smoking, drinking, and monitoring mobile porn?
[04:57] <jsgotangco> shhhhh
[04:58] <jsgotangco> oh i will probably escape the shackles of the mobile porn industry soonish
[04:59] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:16] <ogra> sbalneav, pong
[05:18] <mhz> ogra: hi there
[05:18] <mhz> ogra: do we get any Marketing/Stand Edubuntu material shipped with CD's upong 'special-request' ?
[05:22] <pips1> mhz: that would be nice indeed :-)
[05:22] <mhz> I know we could apply to stickers and some few tshirts for LoCo's
[05:23] <mhz> and panflets
[05:23] <mhz> or leaflets
[05:23] <pips1> mhz, oh right, there are student protests
[05:23] <mhz> hehehe
[05:23] <mhz> in Chile? yes
[05:23] <pips1> are they still going on? in santiago, or in other places too?
[05:24] <mhz> Santiago and regions
[05:24] <mhz> lastime, protests lasted about 3 weeks
[05:24] <mhz> no stdudents going to school for long time, it is not good
[05:25] <pips1> valparaiso
[05:25] <mhz> indeed
[05:25] <ogra> mhz, thats a RichEd question ...
[05:27] <mhz> ogra: okis, thx
[05:37] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey!   How's the sprint!  Saw the update on the xnest bug!  rodarvus need any help with the nbd stuff, or is there something else I can kick in on?
[05:37] <bddebian> Hello
[05:38] <mhz> ping RichEd 
[05:39] <willvdl> mhz, I think he's feeling a bit ill
[05:39] <mhz> oops
[05:39] <mhz> willvdl: thx
[06:16] <ogra> that makes a sound ? 
[06:16] <willvdl> does in XP
[06:16] <LaserJock> ogra: hi!
[06:16] <ogra> hey
[06:16] <willvdl> course if it reallllly overheats then it makes an oozing sound
[06:17] <LaserJock> ogra: I wanted to ask about edubuntu-dynamic-menus
[06:18] <LaserJock> is it dropped for Edgy completely?
[06:19] <ogra> yes, unless you implement it before sept 7th 
[06:20] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:21] <LaserJock> I wanted to do a mockup this week
[06:21] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if I can make it very functional before the 7th
[06:22] <LaserJock> a question I had was if we wanted to us /etc/group for user->group mappings or use a seperate tool
[06:23] <LaserJock> s/tool/file/
[06:25] <ogra> me too
[06:25] <ogra> /etc/group already has a GUI ;) 
[06:26] <LaserJock> true
[06:26] <LaserJock> although it might be a little odd to seperate out menu groups from other groups
[06:26] <ogra> i just used it to add local device support for ltsp users as well ... by switching on/off the fuse group
[06:30] <LaserJock> I figured the easiest thing to do initially would be install some .menu files and create some groups
[06:31] <mhz> oh, true too
[06:31] <LaserJock> and then figure out a way to get the .menu files to the users
[06:31] <LaserJock> either somehow setting XDG_DATA_DIR or by having a update-tool that would drop the menu files in each ~/
[06:32] <mhz> hmm
[06:32] <mhz> and would that work for e.g. 200 users ?
[06:33] <LaserJock> I would hope so
[06:33] <LaserJock> that's what we need to test
[06:33] <mhz> what kind of env. would it be ideal to test it?
[06:34] <mhz> I mean, can we emulate 200 users ?
[06:34] <LaserJock> hehe, an LTSP school lab
[06:34] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:34] <LaserJock> I can always create a bunch of users on my machine
[06:34] <mhz> yeah, i thought you'd say something like that
[06:34] <mhz> me too
[06:34] <LaserJock> probably not 200
[06:35] <mhz> hmm, I can test it on a cibercafe with 10 clients ;)
[06:35] <ogra> LaserJock, is there no way to not touch ~/ ?
[06:35] <ogra> we should urgently avoid touching it if any possible
[06:36] <LaserJock> that's what alacarte does
[06:36] <LaserJock> that's why I was thinking of it
[06:36] <LaserJock> but I can look in the sabayon code and see how they do it
[06:37] <sbalneav> ogra: OK, leave the mods to ltspinfod to me.
[06:37] <sbalneav> I'll do that tonight.
[06:39] <ogra> LaserJock, ignore sabayon, look what xdg offers there 
[06:39] <LaserJock> well, we still need to set XDG_DATA_DIR on a per user basis
[06:40] <LaserJock> maybe kiosktool would shed some light on that
[06:40] <LaserJock> I'd like to keep it simple
[06:40] <ogra> right
[06:40] <LaserJock> the thing is, as far as I can see, nobody thinks about this sort of thing
[06:41] <ogra> thast why i thin a /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/<group> dir added to the system default would be the right way
[06:41] <ogra> and then just drop per group .menu files in there  
[06:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock, sabayon drops a complete profile in a .zip file
[06:41] <LaserJock> Burgwork: over the user's ~/ ?
[06:42] <ogra> and have a tool that starts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that sets the variables right on a per group base
[06:42] <Burgwork> no, wherever you ant
[06:42] <LaserJock> k
[06:42] <Burgwork> LaserJock, talk with whiprush, he uses sabayon extensively
[06:42] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, but how do I get that tool in. That seems like a pretty invasive change?
[06:42] <Burgwork> building default sabayon profiles also allows end users to edit them via sabayon
[06:42] <Burgwork> rather than have to hack up our own tool
[06:43] <LaserJock> yeah, but sabayon is pretty much a no-go IMO because you cannot have a user belong to more than one profile
[06:43] <Burgwork> no, you can't
[06:43] <ogra> LaserJock, not 1% as invasive as touching all users homedirs
[06:43] <LaserJock> XDG has some mergeing built in
[06:43] <Burgwork> right
[06:43] <Ilusion> might I trouble you folks with a query or two? :)
[06:44] <LaserJock> ogra: true :-)
[06:45] <LaserJock> grrr, I sure wish edgy wouldn't mess up all my mounting
[06:45] <LaserJock> I booted this morning and now I have no /home
[06:46] <Ilusion> I installed a edubuntu amd64 iso on my amd64 3500 machine... I then tried to PXE boot the my 800mhz WS's and they complain they are not amd64s.. So I got pointed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup and followed those instructions, the system still complained about not be amd 64.. 
[06:46] <Ilusion> so, I got advice on the mailing list to do this: just do the following:  sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386  after the setup finished you have a running environment for i386 clients 
[06:47] <Ilusion> i did that, now the ws's get a DHCP address and then stop with "no os" at all :(
[06:47] <ogra> urgh
[06:47] <ogra> these instrctions are only for incompatible CPU versions 
[06:48] <ogra> like powerpc clients on intel or amd64 servers
[06:48] <Ilusion> ok, so about the second advice...
[06:48] <Ilusion> "sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 "
[06:48] <Ilusion> that appeared to work, but its not giving it out to the ws's
[06:48] <ogra> that wont work
[06:48] <Ilusion> nutz
[06:48] <ogra> these are two commands
[06:48] <ogra> you cant issue them in one line
[06:49] <ogra>  sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64
[06:49] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
[06:49] <Petaris> I just wrote a mass user creation script if anyone is interested
[06:49] <Ilusion> ah.. i know that.. i issued them on two lines as two commands... they worked individually
[06:49] <ogra> ok
[06:49] <Ilusion> i now have an /opt/ltsp/i386 folder
[06:49] <ogra> does /opt/ltsp/i386 exist and have a system in it ? 
[06:49] <ogra> ok
[06:49] <LaserJock> ok, how about this:
[06:50] <ogra> are you on dapper (6.06) ?
[06:50] <Ilusion> yep (6.06 AMD iso)
[06:50] <LaserJock> 1) create groups in /etc/group
[06:50] <ogra> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[06:50] <ogra> try that command
[06:50] <LaserJock> 2) install .menus in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/<group>
[06:51] <ogra> and then try to boot a client again
[06:51] <ogra> LaserJock, sounds good so far
[06:51] <LaserJock> 3) place script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/  that check what groups a user belongs to and checks if any of those groups are in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/<group>
[06:51] <LaserJock> and then sets XDG_DATA_DIR accordingly
[06:52] <ogra> yep
[06:52] <Ilusion> did the sudo ltsp-update-kernels.. it seems to work (no discerabler errors produced) and then retried PXE booting the WS, still gets IP via dhcp then times out asking for OS..
[06:53] <Ilusion> cr@p. "worK" calling me... Be right back! :)
[06:53] <Petaris> but you can specify the basename, the starting number, the total to create, and the password
[06:54] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, should I rewrite the spec? I think that we can do that before sept. 7th.
[06:55] <ogra> you can rewrite the spac afterwards ;)
[06:55] <ogra> *spec
[06:55] <LaserJock> heh, ok
[06:55] <LaserJock> I have a much clearer idea of what to do
[06:56] <ajayc> RichEd: ping
[07:03] <mhz> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980118
[07:03] <mhz> lol
[07:12] <Petaris> mhz: hahaha
[07:13] <mhz> yup, just loved it
[07:25] <ggeller> My Edubuntu 6.06.1 install konked out in the middle.  Is there a way to restart it?
[07:26] <ggeller> Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't bring up another console.  I just see a black screen.
[07:27] <cbx33> ping the pygi_ 
[08:09] <mhz_off> bye all
[08:09] <mhz_off> RichEd: please email me when you could be ok to meet on IRC
[08:12] <cbx33> hey mr ogra 
[08:12] <cbx33> I have 10 minutes before my sister comes to visit
[08:12] <cbx33> anychace you could squeeze me in?
[09:04] <kendrick> hello!
[09:05] <kendrick> i'm lead developer of Tux Paint. someone emailed me today saying they were trying to install Tux Paint on a PPC Edubuntu install, and it claimed that Tux Paint isn't available for it...
[09:05] <kendrick> it's actually more confusing than that, he said it /installed/, but when he went to /launch/ it, it complained:
[09:05] <kendrick> "It went fine, all installed, but Tux Paint claims that it isn't available for that platform when I try to launch it."
[09:05] <kendrick> i've got _Ku_buntu on an _Intel_, so i really have no idea what he's talking about.  can someone here give me a hand? :)
[09:07] <Ilusion> Hi kendrick! I can't help with the issue you describe but I wantedto say THANK YOU for tux paint! It is a wonderful program! :)
[09:08] <kendrick> :)  you're welcome!
[09:08] <kendrick> is there some kind of package list for edubuntu? (similar to packages.debian.org?)
[09:08] <kendrick> i know for a fact that tux paint works on PPC ebcaus one of the developers uses it :)
[09:08] <Ilusion> 4 months of linux experience after 15 yrs of netware/windows...
[09:08] <kendrick> feels good, huh? ;)
[09:09] <Ilusion> so i'm just a leech here.. :)
[09:09] <Petaris> kendrick: I would help you debug but no ppc here
[09:09] <kendrick> not that i ever spent 15yrs doing windows, but... i can imagine *shudder*
[09:09] <kendrick> Petaris: heh
[09:09] <sbalneav> Ilusion: What problem are you having?
[09:09] <Ilusion> kendrick - look here to see the classroom I'm supporting..
[09:09] <Ilusion> http://www.notepad.org/jackies/
[09:10] <Ilusion> all of those have tux paint :)
[09:10] <kendrick> awesome :)
[09:10] <Ilusion> sbalneav- TIA :) Ok, heres the saga:
[09:10] <Petaris> tux paint is really popular at the elementary  school here
[09:10] <kendrick> :D
[09:11] <Petaris> tux typing would be too if it didn't suck resources like a blackhole
[09:11] <kendrick> i thought they were working on that :)
[09:11] <kendrick> Petaris: was this ltsp?
[09:12] <Petaris> yep
[09:12] <Petaris> I think they are working on it, but I don't know that the problem has been solved yet
[09:13] <Ilusion>  I installed a edubuntu amd64 iso on my amd64 3500 machine... I then tried to PXE boot the my 800mhz WS's and they complain they are not amd64s.. So I got pointed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup and followed those instructions, the system still complained about not be amd 64.. 
[09:13] <Ilusion> so, I got advice on the mailing list to do this: just do the following:  sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386  after the setup finished you have a running environment for i386 clients 
[09:13] <Ilusion>  did that, now the ws's get a DHCP address and then stop with "no os" at all :(
[09:14] <Petaris> Ilusion: sometimes you have to run ltsp-build-client a quite a few times to get it to actually finish and not just error out
[09:15] <Petaris> I run dual opteron servers here
[09:15] <Ilusion> when i ran ltsp-build-client, i didnt see any obvious error messages... it appeared to finish cleanly..?
[09:15] <Petaris> hrm
[09:15] <Ilusion> how would I check?
[09:15] <Petaris> did you restart
[09:15] <sbalneav> I've never done a cross platform install before...
[09:15] <Ilusion> heh... <old windows guy> of *course*! ;)
[09:15] <Petaris> at the very least restart tftpd
[09:16] <Petaris> hrm
[09:16] <sbalneav> My immediate suggestion would be: install edubuntu on a ia32 platform, grab the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir, and rsync/scp it over to the x64 box
[09:16] <kendrick> heh
[09:16] <Petaris> ogra: I noticed that some clients are still booting to tty1 instead of tty7
[09:17] <Petaris> *on dapper
[09:17] <Petaris> kendrick: I would just nix the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir and run ltsp-build-client again
[09:18] <Ilusion> so sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 then build again?
[09:18] <kendrick> Petaris: Ilusion, you mean. :)
[09:18] <Petaris> oh, yeah
[09:18] <Petaris> Ilusion: yep
[09:18] <Petaris> isn't it -Rf though?
[09:19] <Petaris> oh, its either
[09:19] <Ilusion> the weird thing is that the PXE station is getting an IP via DHCP, but its not getting offered the boot image...
[09:20] <kendrick> ok, well, i told the fellow who asked about Tux Paint on PPC that Edubuntu _claims_ it's "in universe, for all three platforms", so i dunno wtf is going on :^/
[09:21] <kendrick> hopefully he can find someone in the edubuntu community who can help him. worst case, he can install from source. :)
[09:21] <kendrick> thanks and take it easy!
[09:21] <Ilusion> thanks again for your program ! :)
[09:21] <Petaris> later kendrick 
[09:21] <kendrick> you're welcome! enjoy! :) :)
[10:32] <pygi> highvoltage, poke, poke, good news!
[10:33] <Burgwork> pygi, good news?
[10:33] <Burgwork> hey th1a 
[10:33] <pygi> Burgwork, yes, cdrskin (libburn-on-cdrecord layer) now 99% supports audio burning
[10:34] <pygi> we just have some rough edges
[10:34] <Burgwork> does that replace cdrecord?
[10:34] <Burgwork> the newly CDDL cdrecord
[10:35] <pygi> eh, not in that way :)
[10:35] <Burgwork> I was referring to the actual thing
[10:35] <pygi> well, cdrskin provides syntax same as cdrecord
[10:36] <pygi> meaning, you can use cdrskin to work with k3b without cdrecord :)
[10:36] <Burgwork> cool
[10:36] <Burgwork> what are other distros doing about the cdrecord issue?
[10:36] <Burgwork> it strikes me that it would make sense to have a common thing
[10:37] <pygi> well, everybody thinking about libburn & frontends (cdrskin && genisofs)
[10:38] <sbalneav> Excuse my ignorance, but what is "the cdrecord issue"?
[10:38] <pygi> Burgwork, ubuntu isn't using cdrskin :)
[10:38] <pygi> sbalneav, most distros dropping cdrecord
[10:38] <sbalneav> Oh?  Howcome?
[10:38] <pygi> sbalneav, licence issues and "Joerg" issues
[10:39] <sbalneav> Ah.  I've heard rumours he can be a bit of a bear.
[10:39] <Burgwork> he recently changed the build system to cddl
[10:40] <pygi> schilly makefileystem :P
[10:40] <pygi> Burgwork, I know I've got a lot of mails about libburn ^_^
[10:40] <Burgwork> yep
[10:43] <pygi> Burgwork, you wanna burn cd's without cdrecord? I would be grateful :)
[10:49] <Petaris> anyone know if there is an IRC channel for PAM anywhere?
[10:49] <Petaris> more specifically for pam_mount
[10:50] <sbalneav> Heading home for the day.
[10:50] <sbalneav> Be on later tonight.
[12:13] <cbx33> ping pygi