=== mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:32] hi Burgwork [12:33] HedgeMage, !!! [12:33] hi pygi :) [12:40] hey HedgeMage [12:40] What's up? [12:46] not much === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.209.153.162] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Ilusion [n=Vern@207-193-143-1.ded.swbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:28] HI. :) [01:28] looks crowded in here... [01:28] anyone up for answering inanae n00b questions? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [01:28] Hello? [01:28] :) === Ilusion is stumped with edubuntu cross architechture LTSP setup... [01:29] :( [01:29] Anyone? Buhler? [01:29] Ilusion, what is your issue>? [01:29] follwoing instructions here: [01:30] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup [01:30] get to the point where I try to mount the /opt/ltsp from the live cd booted machine [01:30] command: [01:30] sudo mount :/opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp [01:31] I get ""mount point /opt/ltsp does not exist" [01:31] I can ping the server and there are only 2 machines on that hub, so I know the server is up and ok... [01:31] you need to run the live cd on a client [01:31] did that [01:31] :) [01:31] good morning [01:31] you also need to install the ltsp on the live cd [01:31] "Install the ltsp-server package on the liveCD " [01:32] ah.. more misinterpretation from me then.. I assumed the text meant the next example line would perform that task... [01:32] no, it would not [01:33] you can edit the text to be better, however [01:33] I think I may do that as there have been two areas on that howto that stumped me.. this being the second... [01:33] is the ltsp somthing I can install using hmmm whats the command... ap-get or somthing like that? [01:33] yep [01:34] ltsp-server is a package name [01:34] is the syntax in that doc somewhere? [01:34] search for it in synaptic [01:34] synaptic? [01:34] or run apt-get install ltsp-server on the command line === Ilusion is big linux n00b.. sorry for inane q's.... [01:34] no worries [01:35] the goal of Edubuntu is to be make it easy for non-techy teachers to be able to instlal it [01:35] thats sorta me.. i just have the "wrong" tech background... 15-20 years of novell/windows... :) === Burgwork has just proven that you need no actual Edubuntu skills to help people out, as he has never installed Edubuntu [01:36] woo! that worked.. its getting the package... [01:36] i had to use sudo beforre apt-get though.. (im making notes so i can update that page... :) [01:37] yep [01:37] last install i did was slakware in 1996... :) [01:37] hi jsgotangco [01:37] hey jsgotangco [01:37] of linux that is.. [01:37] hi [01:37] done a few novell suse installs, but those dont count ;) [01:38] ideally, apt shoudl undertsand arches, so that you could say "apt-get install i386:ltsp-server' [01:39] nutz. i didnt set a pri-dns in my dhcp so my client cant find the archive. can i set a pri dns using like ipconfig? [01:40] edit /etc/resolv.conf directly [01:44] ok, i got resolv.conf up in nano, I added nameserver and saved it... [01:45] but i cant resolv my name server domain...? [01:45] is the syntax like a hosts file? [01:45] i.e. tab ? [01:45] nameserver IP [01:45] hmmm i did that... [01:47] looks like maybe the default gateway isnt setup in dhcp either... dangit... [01:53] ok, i just fixed the errors in the dhcp, is their a "ipconfig -renew" type command? [01:53] to force the client to renew its IP address via dhcp? [01:57] nvrmind.. found i could do this with the GUI tool... [01:57] :) [01:57] ok, back to apt-getting now... :) [02:05] cool! it mounted and its building the clinet.. hmm in the doc it says to take a coffe break, as it will take a long time.. since my client is an old k6450 with 128m of ram.. i think i"m gunna go home and let it run over night. Thank you for your help!! :) === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:05] Howdy === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has joined #edubuntu [03:32] hi, how do i refresh ltsp setup? [03:35] Refresh as in update the packages? [03:36] You can respond either here, or #ltsp :) === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] anybody knows how to install flash player, adobe acrobat, and java? === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] kwak: is it 32 bit ubuntu? [04:13] yes [04:14] kwak: enable multiverse and universe repos and than sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree sun-java5-jre and i cant remember acroread i think is the package [04:24] sorry newbie in ubuntu. how do i enable multiverse and universe? [04:24] repos [04:24] !repos [04:24] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource [04:25] oic. il try it and check also the docs [04:25] thanks ubotu [04:33] i've heard the the another version of edubuntu will come out in two months. im using 6.06, will i be able to upgrade it without wiping the disk? [04:34] kwak: yes [04:38] ok good. i got hit failed in updating repos. [04:39] it's not block on my content filter. [04:39] but still failing. [04:41] i got this message as well [04:41] E: couldn't find package... === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === gotama [n=guillerm@61-223-177-94.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-64-222-48-116.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:11] well, i already enabled all repos, and reload successful, but when i apt-get install, can't find the plugin. i also look for a guide in google and found one. but still cannot find the file. what could be wrong. === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [05:21] kwak: what areyo u looking for? === LaserJock_ [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [05:21] flashplugin-nonfree [05:22] yes === LaserJock_ is now known as LaserJock [05:22] i tried to issue this command [05:22] sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree === gotama [n=guillerm@61-223-177-94.dynamic.hinet.net] has left #edubuntu [] [05:43] im here [05:43] ok, how did you add the repo? [05:43] do this: [05:44] i used software properties and synaptic [05:44] click on system->administration->Software Properties [05:44] yes did that. [05:44] Well, you didn't do it right, or it would have worked :) [05:44] So follow along with me... [05:45] i even checked everythingk [05:45] What does the top one say: [05:45] sorry [05:45] wrong message [05:45] ok i will follow [05:45] Should say: Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (binary) [05:45] in the installation media? [05:45] Correct [05:46] yes it is ubuntu 6.06 [05:47] then [05:47] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Binary)? [05:47] yes [05:47] ok, read what it says underneatth [05:49] ok. now i got it. i should click edit and check multiverse. [05:49] :) [05:49] if you've got it right, it should say 4 items: [05:50] Officially supported [05:50] Restricted copyright [05:50] Community Maintained (Universe) [05:50] Non-free (multiverse) [05:50] Then it should work. [05:51] Lots of people in #ubuntu will try to get you to edit the file by hand... [05:51] They're smoking crack. Use the tool: it's much easier, and less error prone. [05:55] hehehe [05:55] yeah. but i don't ind command [05:55] line [05:55] have class. thanks sbalneav [05:57] np [06:08] 7 students are using now. is teachertool installed in edubuntu? [06:10] That I don't know. [06:31] I sure wish ogra was on :( [06:34] hi again sbalneav: do you know how to disable the shutdown button from client workstation. [06:34] heh [06:35] that one's a bug [06:35] ummm [06:35] hold on... [06:38] It's something you set in the gconf editor, but I can't quite find it [06:38] still googleing [06:41] i will try google also. [06:41] somebody shutdown the server then i it does't bott anymore [06:42] yeah [06:42] Umm, are you subscribed to the edubuntu mailing list? [06:42] not yet. [06:42] I'll look it up, and post something there tommorrow. [06:43] well it's working again after reboot [06:43] It's fixed in the next version already. [06:43] it's just a case of looking up what the fix is. [06:43] Search the edubuntu mailing list archives. [06:44] I think it's been covered already. [06:44] I believe so, although I can't remember the fix either [06:45] k === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has left #edubuntu [] === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-130-164.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === kwak [n=opera@61.19.195.42] has joined #edubuntu [08:39] Burgundavia: ping [08:40] magnon: pong [08:40] Does ubuntu have some support/service manager now? [08:41] yes, support is lead by Jeff Bailey [08:41] out of montreal === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [08:41] hey rodarvus [08:41] so he's very much asleep now then :P [08:41] magnon: very much so, yes [08:41] good morning [08:41] anyone in europe on that team? [08:41] hey Burgundavia [08:42] magnon: no, the entire support team is in montreal [08:42] however, they report to Jane [08:42] l2go worldwide :P [08:42] jane will be waking up and at work in about 2 hrs, I expect [08:42] sounds good :) [08:48] night [08:54] hey rodarvus [08:54] hi jsgotangco [08:54] hows things? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] morning ogra :) [09:04] hey magnon ! :) [09:04] glorious morning! [09:05] btw, does anyone know of a mac terminal thas sucks less than Terminall.app? [09:05] -l === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-183-05.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-183-05.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=willvdl@dsl-165-249-122.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:24] ola === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:25] ping ogra [09:25] brb [09:26] anybody uses edubuntu for 25 clients? i want to know the performance. I noticed that the response is a little slow. [09:27] kwak, try turning the clients to 16bit colors, that speeds up a lot ... we default to 24bit currently (will change in the edgy release) [09:27] ogra: how do i do that? and when is the edgy release? [09:27] edgy is released in october [09:28] you create a file called: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [09:28] put in the following two lines: [09:28] [default] [09:28] X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 [09:28] then reboot the clients :) [09:28] hi kwak - are you Edwardson Pedragosa from my inbox ? [09:29] yes [09:29] hi ogra [09:29] morning [09:29] hi RichEd. [09:29] please (as a kind note) reailise that I am not the best person to mail with your individual user queries :) [09:29] i did a first test of my edubuntu server this morning. [09:29] np [09:29] you will get better & faster reponses here in the channel ... [09:30] i will also give you the mail lists in a sec ... those go to me and a bunch of other people, including the community ... who may be awake while others are sleeping [09:31] how's the server ? look good ? [09:31] doing fine. i just experienced locked up this morning. The client clicked the hibernate button. [09:32] Mr OG !! [09:32] you got some time for your old buddy cbx33 to talk about SCP? :p [09:32] hey you [09:33] bribe him with wine [09:33] ogra: can we get hibernate taken off the shutdown menu? [09:33] RichEd: any news on the "pack" stff? [09:34] sorry guys I know I'm being incredibly verbal today, but I may not be able to make the meeting, so I'm trying to get sorted all I can now [09:34] hi jsgotangco how are you [09:34] brb - 5 [09:34] pretty good i had a haricut and bought stuff for myself [09:35] kwak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users [09:35] kwak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel [09:35] hs jsgotangco hi cbx33 [09:36] hey RichEd how's the day [09:36] cbx33: yep ... Will is taking the lead ... he digs organising information as a passion of his :) [09:37] so you can expect a proj plan around case studies & info packs to emerge, probably by tomorrow afternoon. === jinty [n=jinty@80.Red-83-50-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:37] RichEd: thanks, i just joined that mailing list this morning [09:38] we can chat about case studies in the meeting. need to feel out some opinions [09:38] jsgotangco: bit wobbly ... still shaking off a head virus that was fighting with me yesterday ... thanks for asking [09:39] willvdl: Hi [09:39] oh not again [09:39] ....grrr === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:39] I hate working support [09:39] how the question earlier: removing hibernate buttong? [09:39] button? [09:39] heheh [09:39] hi will ... we'll discuss in theedubuntu meeting today and again 1-2-1- tomorrow after NEPAD [09:40] excellent === cbx33 is hoping he can get to some of the meeting [09:40] Lisa has to go to hospital today so I have to leave work early [09:40] i need to do 1 year and 3 year plan for education ... all divisions have a task due 31 august ... i'll need your help with that [09:40] the new minutes are up [09:41] so we will have a big section on: targetted documentation & info for various audiences [09:41] RichEd: w00t [09:41] I hope ESA will help out there [09:41] RichEd: the GILAS project only aims internet access so I guess we're a good sell here [09:41] cool. I'm uploading my planned activities around Africa in general to the wiki today [09:41] cbx33: hope it is not serious ? [09:41] RichEd: nope [09:41] thankfully [09:42] jsgotangco: yep, i've done the reading and cleared my understanding. will offer directed help, not tangential :) [09:42] reduced cost of deployement because the platform is free is a good motivator [09:43] bbiab guys [09:43] currently network cabling in one room [09:43] then running back here to speak to you guys [09:43] :p [09:47] http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/06/ubuntu_linux_a_threat_to_mac_o.html [09:47] from ubuntu-marketing [09:49] highvoltage, ping === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-205-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:53] willvdl: pong [09:56] morning highvoltage [09:58] morning pygi [09:59] mornin highvoltage === pygi is looking into libisofs rewrite today :-/ [10:06] mornin' cbx33 [10:06] how are you all today? [10:08] highvoltage, good, good, will get libisofs rewrite today probably :) [10:08] what about you? [10:11] going good, we're preparing for a big meeting we're having with 120 schools tomorrow === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-235-103.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [10:11] highvoltage, good, good, will get libisofs rewrite today probably :) [10:11] what about you? [10:12] 10:11 <@highvoltage> going good, we're preparing for a big meeting we're having with 120 schools tomorrow [10:12] :p === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:17] highvoltage, oh, nice :) === jinty [n=jinty@80.Red-83-50-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p54A821B7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [10:57] ogra : just checking if you will be attending the meeing today ? I'm presuming not [10:58] highvoltage: good luck for the meeting [11:00] RichEd, you've got another mail [11:00] pygi_: will check in a few mins ... [11:03] oki [11:05] RichEd: thanks === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [11:08] RichEd, thats totally depending on connectivity over here ... my laptop is up and down ... but i'll try to attend [11:09] btw, sabayon works on ltsp with the recent version, even with xnest ;) [11:09] (got it running here currently) [11:10] ogra: i'm getting traffic crawl & disconnects & lookup failures my side as well ... problems not confined to your pipe today :) [11:10] well, for me its surely the line here :) our setup is a bit crappy and under heavy load === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:23] ogra: when do you think you'l have time for me and SCP? just asking so I can plan my day, I'll probably be unavailable from about 12 - 7 UTC [11:23] so I can either sqeeze it in now [11:23] or later in the evening? [11:23] if any of those times are good for you? [11:24] pygi_: I've already been giving it some thought ... will mail or pvt you soon ... [11:24] brb [11:26] RichEd, thanks === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] ping pygi_ === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-195-244.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [11:52] question on "public/private information" : Is the info that Ubuntu is being tested on HPC (High Performance Comuting) boxes public domain ? Can a comunity member delivering an Ubuntu presentation at a University in Hungary next month mention this as a high level comment. No specific vendor mention, just that is an area we are being called into ? [11:54] we do have kernels tuned for such and the server team are doing other platforms suited for HPC [11:55] as for sites we know, i cannot say [12:07] RichEd, are we UTC+1 or +2? keep forgetting... === highvoltage [n=jonathan@196.1.57.78] has joined #edubuntu [12:12] willvdl: UTC = GMT for all intents & purposes as South Africans [12:13] UTC stays as is ... GMT shifts when daylight savings becomes involved ... that's how I have it in my brain ... we have no daylight savings here so equivalent to me [12:14] yeah but I can never remember when daylight savings turns on [12:14] http://www.timeanddate.com/ <- they have a meeting planner [12:35] willvdl: go into #ubuntu-meeting meet me there [12:35] i'll show you some tricks ogra taught me === jinty [n=jinty@149.Red-81-34-246.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:52] I've just noticed we have Edubuntu meeting in one hour from now [12:53] ogra and I have another meeting in one hour [12:53] do we ? [12:53] unless we just chose not to attend it :) [12:55] rodarvus: that is not an option! [12:56] :) [01:01] highvoltage, right ;) [01:01] lunchtime ! [01:02] highvoltage, you shall soon drop mkisofs :) [01:03] pygi: really? can libburn make bootable cd's without mkisofs? [01:03] highvoltage, libisofs....but it doesn't support eltorito yet...I know how to do basic implementation tho (without multiple boot entries) [01:05] soon we'll have entire rewrite ready -- from 5k lines to 3k lines..and new implementation has new features :) === JanisLee [n=JanisLee@201-25-141-4.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu [01:43] hi all [01:46] hi pips1 [01:48] ogra: how many times do I have to tell you? [01:49] ogra: why the heck am I subscribed to the same ML twice? === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:49] hey lucasvo [01:50] lucasvo, calm down pls :) [01:50] pygi: well, I asked about 4 times... [01:50] pygi: and its crap to get them twice [01:51] lucasvo: I get everything thrice [01:52] pips1: got to go now... I'll be back and answer in query in half an hour [01:53] highvoltage hehe [01:53] lucasvo oki [01:53] lucasvo, i told you 4 times now that we just copied the users from -devel t -users, if you dont want to be on one of them please usubscribe ... [01:54] :) [01:59] lol [01:59] ------ edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ---- 1 minute ---- [02:00] ------ edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting ---- now ---- === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEE867.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@221.165.193.67] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@221.165.193.67] has joined #edubuntu [02:30] pygi, ogra: And I told you a hunderd times that I am subscribed to edubuntu-users TWICE [02:30] and once to edubuntu-dev [02:30] I only need the -users once [02:30] lucasvo, how should that work ? [02:30] ogra: I don't know [02:30] i only noticed that your mails come in twice if you send them [02:30] ogra: but I know I get them twice [02:31] but mailman doesnt allow one address to be subscribed more than once to one list by design [02:31] yeah [02:31] is there a majordomo? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@220-135-205-29.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@220-135-205-29.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@p54AEFA9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFCDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === heart [n=zippetto@lugbari/people/heart] has joined #edubuntu [03:04] back here [03:04] jsgotangco: the biggest notable difference i could find in edgy was gaim2 [03:04] it's a *huge* improvement on the gaim in dapper. [03:04] really [03:04] yep [03:05] highvoltage, does it handle irc better? [03:05] hopefully this doesn't get borked [03:05] i have no machines at the moment except this laptop [03:05] willvdl: i normally use irssi for IRC, I didn't like IRC on Gaim previously, irssi just works well, so I stick to it [03:06] irssi also works in screen, which is a big ++ [03:06] yeah [03:07] ah. tarted off using gaim for irc until I realised I couldn't do pvt msg's [03:08] really? im pretty sure you can [03:08] you can [03:08] could receive them but couldn't send [03:08] yes you can :) [03:08] double click on the nick you want to send a pvt? === highvoltage-gaim [n=jonathan@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] highvoltage-gaim: show off [03:09] heh [03:09] :P [03:09] Has anyone ever seen hauntedpalace, toxictoadz, ulinskie in #edubuntu? [03:10] i have seen toxictoads in #edubuntu only once [03:10] ulinskie has been very busy at her work lately [03:10] !seen hauntedpalace [03:10] at least, I have :) [03:10] I haven't seen hauntedpalace recently === ogra [n=ogra@p54A83C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage-gaim [n=jonathan@196.1.57.88] has left #edubuntu [] [03:11] (they are all listed in LP as members of edubuntu-website) [03:12] I am just trying to get an idea of who might be available to help :-) [03:12] jsgotangco: so you know ulinskie.. === pips1 reads LP page [03:16] https://launchpad.net/people/loco-philippine-team wow! [03:19] pips1: that team needs some major re-form, really. all of them expressed interest to help [03:19] pips1: they just need some management and co-ordination [03:20] pips1: there are many people who would like to help, who doesn't really participate in IRC === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu [03:21] yeah, let's get them going :-) [03:22] pips1: ive met her a few times already [03:22] pips1: you will find her attractive [03:23] I would like to know who works for a school, or currently study in school... [03:23] she does [03:23] ah, good to know [03:25] isn't there a plugin for firefox that opens all links from a page as separate tags? [03:26] s/tags/tabs [03:27] ach, I meant ff extension, not plugin, of course === pips1 is browsing addons.mozilla.org [03:36] interesting, edubuntu installs on my new machine, but ubuntu hangs on uncompressing the kernel === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@221.165.193.67] has joined #edubuntu === pluto_ [n=pluto@59.92.142.3] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:45] Morning all!! [03:46] night for me [03:46] ola [03:47] ogra: pingity [03:48] hey does anybody have problems capturing audi from mic? [03:48] *audio === pluto_ [n=pluto@59.92.142.3] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [03:52] what hardware? === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu [04:13] Hello everyone. I'm having a problem that is a bit hard to reproduce. If I boot up several (~5) clients right at the same time they all fail when trying to mount /opt/ltsp/i386. [04:13] If I boot up any one client (or two) they boot up fine. [04:13] DanielC: Do you get a message like: "Waiting for NFS?" [04:13] The error is "mount: PRC: Timed out; mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor" [04:14] RPC [04:14] "RPC timeout" is similar to "waiting for NFS", right? [04:14] what do you have for networking hardware? 10 base T? 100 base T? Switch or hub? [04:14] Uhmm.... dunno. [04:14] The cards are old. [04:14] So 10 base is a safe bet. [04:14] Switch most likely. [04:15] I'm willing to bet it's a hub [04:15] Hmm... [04:15] You see that sort of thing on a hub: the clients start dropping packets, and it usually shows up as NFS timeouts. [04:16] I see. [04:16] 5 clients booting at exactly the same time will generate a lot of traffic. [04:16] if you don't have a switch in place to moderate the traffic, you'll get a ton of collisions. [04:16] And the room should be able to boot 20 clients at the same time. [04:17] If we have a switch, but all the cards are old and 10-base, would that cause the same problem? [04:17] then you'll definitely want to make sure you've got a switch. [04:17] No, shouldn't. The machines will be slower, but they should function. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [04:18] And if they've got 10 meg cards, it's unlikely they have a switch. :) [04:18] Well, we're reusing the old computers but I *think* we installed the switch or hub ourselves. [04:18] I'll go ask the other people and see what we have. [04:18] Thanks for the help! [04:18] No problem. [04:26] willvdl: (btw, the patch for your speaker problem was submitted yesterday [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-August/001033.html] ) [04:28] sweet. [04:31] for the record, running on travelmate 4220 series (4222WLMi) === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [04:46] lucasvo: ping === mhz [n=mhz@200.119.226.122] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [04:51] RichEd: hi there [04:51] hi all [04:51] hi mhz [04:51] pips1: hi [04:51] how are things in Chile? [04:53] pips1: well, in Chile, regarding Education? [04:53] or in general [04:53] ? [04:53] in general [04:54] how's the moin scene in chile :P [04:54] jsgotangco: hey! you piece of hacker! :D [04:54] pips1: in general, interesting scenarios in economics, social, and politics [04:55] in education, Students are still forcing the Gov. to make serious modifications to education sys [04:57] jsgotangco: still smoking, drinking, and monitoring mobile porn? [04:57] shhhhh [04:58] oh i will probably escape the shackles of the mobile porn industry soonish [04:59] hehehehe [05:16] sbalneav, pong [05:18] ogra: hi there [05:18] ogra: do we get any Marketing/Stand Edubuntu material shipped with CD's upong 'special-request' ? [05:22] mhz: that would be nice indeed :-) [05:22] I know we could apply to stickers and some few tshirts for LoCo's [05:23] and panflets [05:23] or leaflets [05:23] mhz, oh right, there are student protests [05:23] hehehe === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFCDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:23] in Chile? yes === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu [05:23] are they still going on? in santiago, or in other places too? [05:24] Santiago and regions [05:24] lastime, protests lasted about 3 weeks === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [05:24] no stdudents going to school for long time, it is not good [05:25] valparaiso [05:25] indeed [05:25] mhz, thats a RichEd question ... === ogra [i=ogra@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #edubuntu [05:27] ogra: okis, thx === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:37] ogra: Hey! How's the sprint! Saw the update on the xnest bug! rodarvus need any help with the nbd stuff, or is there something else I can kick in on? [05:37] Hello [05:38] ping RichEd [05:39] mhz, I think he's feeling a bit ill === ogra [i=ogra@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #edubuntu [05:39] oops [05:39] willvdl: thx === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing === Topic (#edubuntu): set by albgeist at Mon Aug 14 18:11:51 2006 === rodarvus_ [i=rodarvus@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #edubuntu === Burgwork [n=corey@d66-183-174-128.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl listens to the sad sound of his new core 2 duo overheating === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [06:16] that makes a sound ? [06:16] does in XP [06:16] ogra: hi! [06:16] hey [06:16] course if it reallllly overheats then it makes an oozing sound [06:17] ogra: I wanted to ask about edubuntu-dynamic-menus [06:18] is it dropped for Edgy completely? [06:19] yes, unless you implement it before sept 7th [06:20] hmm [06:21] I wanted to do a mockup this week [06:21] but I'm not sure if I can make it very functional before the 7th [06:22] a question I had was if we wanted to us /etc/group for user->group mappings or use a seperate tool [06:23] s/tool/file/ === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === mhz prefers /etc/group but... he's a face in the crowd ;) [06:25] me too [06:25] /etc/group already has a GUI ;) [06:26] true [06:26] although it might be a little odd to seperate out menu groups from other groups [06:26] i just used it to add local device support for ltsp users as well ... by switching on/off the fuse group === willvdl [n=will@196.36.161.235] has left #edubuntu ["home] [06:30] I figured the easiest thing to do initially would be install some .menu files and create some groups [06:31] oh, true too [06:31] and then figure out a way to get the .menu files to the users [06:31] either somehow setting XDG_DATA_DIR or by having a update-tool that would drop the menu files in each ~/ [06:32] hmm [06:32] and would that work for e.g. 200 users ? [06:33] I would hope so [06:33] that's what we need to test [06:33] what kind of env. would it be ideal to test it? [06:34] I mean, can we emulate 200 users ? [06:34] hehe, an LTSP school lab [06:34] ;-) [06:34] I can always create a bunch of users on my machine [06:34] yeah, i thought you'd say something like that [06:34] me too [06:34] probably not 200 [06:35] hmm, I can test it on a cibercafe with 10 clients ;) [06:35] LaserJock, is there no way to not touch ~/ ? [06:35] we should urgently avoid touching it if any possible [06:36] that's what alacarte does [06:36] that's why I was thinking of it [06:36] but I can look in the sabayon code and see how they do it [06:37] ogra: OK, leave the mods to ltspinfod to me. [06:37] I'll do that tonight. [06:39] LaserJock, ignore sabayon, look what xdg offers there [06:39] well, we still need to set XDG_DATA_DIR on a per user basis [06:40] maybe kiosktool would shed some light on that [06:40] I'd like to keep it simple [06:40] right [06:40] the thing is, as far as I can see, nobody thinks about this sort of thing [06:41] thast why i thin a /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/ dir added to the system default would be the right way [06:41] and then just drop per group .menu files in there [06:41] LaserJock, sabayon drops a complete profile in a .zip file [06:41] Burgwork: over the user's ~/ ? [06:42] and have a tool that starts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that sets the variables right on a per group base [06:42] no, wherever you ant [06:42] k [06:42] LaserJock, talk with whiprush, he uses sabayon extensively [06:42] ogra: ok, but how do I get that tool in. That seems like a pretty invasive change? [06:42] building default sabayon profiles also allows end users to edit them via sabayon [06:42] rather than have to hack up our own tool [06:43] yeah, but sabayon is pretty much a no-go IMO because you cannot have a user belong to more than one profile [06:43] no, you can't [06:43] LaserJock, not 1% as invasive as touching all users homedirs [06:43] XDG has some mergeing built in [06:43] right [06:43] might I trouble you folks with a query or two? :) [06:44] ogra: true :-) [06:45] grrr, I sure wish edgy wouldn't mess up all my mounting [06:45] I booted this morning and now I have no /home [06:46] I installed a edubuntu amd64 iso on my amd64 3500 machine... I then tried to PXE boot the my 800mhz WS's and they complain they are not amd64s.. So I got pointed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup and followed those instructions, the system still complained about not be amd 64.. [06:46] so, I got advice on the mailing list to do this: just do the following: sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 after the setup finished you have a running environment for i386 clients [06:47] i did that, now the ws's get a DHCP address and then stop with "no os" at all :( === pygi_ [n=pygi@89-172-225-161.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [06:47] urgh [06:47] these instrctions are only for incompatible CPU versions [06:48] like powerpc clients on intel or amd64 servers [06:48] ok, so about the second advice... [06:48] "sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 " [06:48] that appeared to work, but its not giving it out to the ws's [06:48] that wont work [06:48] nutz [06:48] these are two commands [06:48] you cant issue them in one line [06:49] sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 [06:49] sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 [06:49] I just wrote a mass user creation script if anyone is interested [06:49] ah.. i know that.. i issued them on two lines as two commands... they worked individually [06:49] ok [06:49] i now have an /opt/ltsp/i386 folder [06:49] does /opt/ltsp/i386 exist and have a system in it ? [06:49] ok [06:49] ok, how about this: [06:50] are you on dapper (6.06) ? [06:50] yep (6.06 AMD iso) [06:50] 1) create groups in /etc/group [06:50] sudo ltsp-update-kernels [06:50] try that command [06:50] 2) install .menus in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/ [06:51] and then try to boot a client again [06:51] LaserJock, sounds good so far [06:51] 3) place script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ that check what groups a user belongs to and checks if any of those groups are in /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/ [06:51] and then sets XDG_DATA_DIR accordingly [06:52] yep [06:52] did the sudo ltsp-update-kernels.. it seems to work (no discerabler errors produced) and then retried PXE booting the WS, still gets IP via dhcp then times out asking for OS.. === Petaris notes the script (as it is) is only usefull if you use generic users ie, elem1, elem2, ... [06:53] cr@p. "worK" calling me... Be right back! :) [06:53] but you can specify the basename, the starting number, the total to create, and the password [06:54] ogra: ok, should I rewrite the spec? I think that we can do that before sept. 7th. [06:55] you can rewrite the spac afterwards ;) [06:55] *spec [06:55] heh, ok [06:55] I have a much clearer idea of what to do === ajayc [n=yogi@61.0.137.137] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #edubuntu [06:56] RichEd: ping === ajayc [n=yogi@61.0.137.137] has joined #edubuntu [07:03] http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980118 [07:03] lol === ggeller [n=ggeller@ip70-181-199-209.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [07:12] mhz: hahaha [07:13] yup, just loved it === Rondom_ [n=Rondom@p54AEF642.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [07:25] My Edubuntu 6.06.1 install konked out in the middle. Is there a way to restart it? [07:26] Ctrl-Alt-F2 doesn't bring up another console. I just see a black screen. === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:27] ping the pygi_ === jinty [n=jinty@80.Red-83-50-208.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF642.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [i=ogra@conference/ubuntu/de/unlabeled] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_off [08:09] bye all [08:09] RichEd: please email me when you could be ok to meet on IRC [08:12] hey mr ogra [08:12] I have 10 minutes before my sister comes to visit [08:12] anychace you could squeeze me in? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === kendrick [n=kendrick@64-142-92-64.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:04] hello! [09:05] i'm lead developer of Tux Paint. someone emailed me today saying they were trying to install Tux Paint on a PPC Edubuntu install, and it claimed that Tux Paint isn't available for it... [09:05] it's actually more confusing than that, he said it /installed/, but when he went to /launch/ it, it complained: [09:05] "It went fine, all installed, but Tux Paint claims that it isn't available for that platform when I try to launch it." [09:05] i've got _Ku_buntu on an _Intel_, so i really have no idea what he's talking about. can someone here give me a hand? :) [09:07] Hi kendrick! I can't help with the issue you describe but I wantedto say THANK YOU for tux paint! It is a wonderful program! :) [09:08] :) you're welcome! [09:08] is there some kind of package list for edubuntu? (similar to packages.debian.org?) === Ilusion is a n00b.. trying to get edubuntu LTSP to work.. not very luky so far [09:08] i know for a fact that tux paint works on PPC ebcaus one of the developers uses it :) [09:08] 4 months of linux experience after 15 yrs of netware/windows... [09:08] feels good, huh? ;) [09:09] so i'm just a leech here.. :) [09:09] kendrick: I would help you debug but no ppc here [09:09] not that i ever spent 15yrs doing windows, but... i can imagine *shudder* [09:09] Petaris: heh [09:09] Ilusion: What problem are you having? [09:09] kendrick - look here to see the classroom I'm supporting.. [09:09] http://www.notepad.org/jackies/ [09:10] all of those have tux paint :) [09:10] awesome :) [09:10] sbalneav- TIA :) Ok, heres the saga: [09:10] tux paint is really popular at the elementary school here [09:10] :D [09:11] tux typing would be too if it didn't suck resources like a blackhole [09:11] i thought they were working on that :) [09:11] Petaris: was this ltsp? [09:12] yep [09:12] I think they are working on it, but I don't know that the problem has been solved yet [09:13] I installed a edubuntu amd64 iso on my amd64 3500 machine... I then tried to PXE boot the my 800mhz WS's and they complain they are not amd64s.. So I got pointed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup and followed those instructions, the system still complained about not be amd 64.. [09:13] so, I got advice on the mailing list to do this: just do the following: sudo rm -r /opt/ltsp/amd64 sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 after the setup finished you have a running environment for i386 clients [09:13] did that, now the ws's get a DHCP address and then stop with "no os" at all :( [09:14] Ilusion: sometimes you have to run ltsp-build-client a quite a few times to get it to actually finish and not just error out === Petaris notes that this is just _his_ experiance with it [09:15] I run dual opteron servers here [09:15] when i ran ltsp-build-client, i didnt see any obvious error messages... it appeared to finish cleanly..? [09:15] hrm [09:15] how would I check? [09:15] did you restart [09:15] I've never done a cross platform install before... [09:15] heh... of *course*! ;) [09:15] at the very least restart tftpd [09:16] hrm [09:16] My immediate suggestion would be: install edubuntu on a ia32 platform, grab the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir, and rsync/scp it over to the x64 box [09:16] heh [09:16] ogra: I noticed that some clients are still booting to tty1 instead of tty7 [09:17] *on dapper [09:17] kendrick: I would just nix the /opt/ltsp/i386 dir and run ltsp-build-client again [09:18] so sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 then build again? [09:18] Petaris: Ilusion, you mean. :) [09:18] oh, yeah [09:18] Ilusion: yep [09:18] isn't it -Rf though? === Petaris looks [09:19] oh, its either [09:19] the weird thing is that the PXE station is getting an IP via DHCP, but its not getting offered the boot image... [09:20] ok, well, i told the fellow who asked about Tux Paint on PPC that Edubuntu _claims_ it's "in universe, for all three platforms", so i dunno wtf is going on :^/ [09:21] hopefully he can find someone in the edubuntu community who can help him. worst case, he can install from source. :) [09:21] thanks and take it easy! [09:21] thanks again for your program ! :) [09:21] later kendrick [09:21] you're welcome! enjoy! :) :) === kendrick [n=kendrick@64-142-92-64.dsl.static.sonic.net] has left #edubuntu ["*ploink*"] === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === weirdalfan409 [n=randy@ip68-14-28-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === weirdalfan409 [n=randy@ip68-14-28-24.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === mhecht [n=mhecht@131.91.248.103] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@89-172-202-155.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === mhecht [n=mhecht@131.91.248.103] has left #edubuntu [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [10:32] highvoltage, poke, poke, good news! === th1a_ [n=hoffman@pool-70-109-199-148.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:33] pygi, good news? [10:33] hey th1a [10:33] Burgwork, yes, cdrskin (libburn-on-cdrecord layer) now 99% supports audio burning [10:34] we just have some rough edges [10:34] does that replace cdrecord? === pygi nods :) [10:34] the newly CDDL cdrecord [10:35] eh, not in that way :) [10:35] I was referring to the actual thing === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [10:35] well, cdrskin provides syntax same as cdrecord [10:36] meaning, you can use cdrskin to work with k3b without cdrecord :) [10:36] cool [10:36] what are other distros doing about the cdrecord issue? [10:36] it strikes me that it would make sense to have a common thing [10:37] well, everybody thinking about libburn & frontends (cdrskin && genisofs) [10:38] Excuse my ignorance, but what is "the cdrecord issue"? [10:38] Burgwork, ubuntu isn't using cdrskin :) [10:38] sbalneav, most distros dropping cdrecord [10:38] Oh? Howcome? [10:38] sbalneav, licence issues and "Joerg" issues [10:39] Ah. I've heard rumours he can be a bit of a bear. [10:39] he recently changed the build system to cddl [10:40] schilly makefileystem :P [10:40] Burgwork, I know I've got a lot of mails about libburn ^_^ [10:40] yep === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [10:43] Burgwork, you wanna burn cd's without cdrecord? I would be grateful :) [10:49] anyone know if there is an IRC channel for PAM anywhere? [10:49] more specifically for pam_mount [10:50] Heading home for the day. 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