[12:45] <Tonio_> danimo: hey
[12:45] <Tonio_> danimo: that can explain the issue
[12:45] <danimo> what issue?
[12:46] <Tonio_> sco0 ;)
[12:46] <Tonio_> scd0
[12:46] <danimo> Tonio_: well, I looked on the wrong pc *blush* :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> hehe
[12:46] <Tonio_> does it work on the other ?
[12:46] <danimo> Tonio_: so it's a pure SATA disk
[12:46] <danimo> Tonio_: no idea, no edgy on there
[12:47] <danimo> Tonio_: I was on there via ssh
[12:47] <Tonio_> hum, I'm quite certain the problem is because we have scd0 as cdrom drivez
[12:47] <Tonio_> the point is why did it work with dapper.......
[12:47] <Tonio_> I suspect a udev change maybe
[12:47] <Tonio_> or hal........
[12:47] <Tonio_> or dbus ;
[12:47] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:47] <danimo> I doubt dbus
[12:47] <danimo> either hal or udev
[12:47] <Tonio_> looks quite impossible to fix, here is the point
[12:48] <Tonio_> unless someone like aseigo looks at the error
[12:48] <Tonio_> bug only a kde expert can fix this
[12:48] <danimo> why aseigo?
[12:48] <Tonio_> danimo: why not :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> danimo: who else ?
[12:51] <danimo> Tonio_: I think a udev wizard or a hal wizard might suffice
[12:51] <danimo> Tonio_: but you can help me on another domain maybe
[12:51] <Tonio_> danimo: ask !
[12:51] <danimo> Tonio_: first of all: can we get a new lib into universe for edgy still?
[12:52] <Tonio_> danimo: I think yes, universe isn't frozen at the moment
[12:53] <danimo> Tonio_: ok, because amarok 1.4.2 has a new dependency to handle more multimedia devices
[12:53] <Tonio_> okay
[12:53] <danimo> Tonio_: I upgraded amarok and want to build it now
[12:53] <danimo> Tonio_: I did adjust the directory and patches
[12:53] <Tonio_> the target should probably by main then, but we need main inclusion report first
[12:53] <Tonio_> okay
[12:53] <Tonio_> danimo: the package should be revu first
[12:54] <danimo> Tonio_: that's the plan :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> 3 approval, then uploaded
[12:54] <danimo> Tonio_: I got upload rights there
[12:54] <Tonio_> danimo: great, so I can revu it quickly now, and ping riddell and raphink for example
[12:54] <danimo> Tonio_: so how do I adjust the *.dsc file? simply rename it and add a new comment with dch -i?
[12:55] <Tonio_> danimo: use debuild in the source tree
[12:55] <danimo> Tonio_: I've only done this once ot twice :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> did you get a source debian package ?
[12:55] <danimo> Tonio_: that will adjust to automatically?
[12:55] <Tonio_> yes that should
[12:55] <Tonio_> but first, a little question
[12:55] <danimo> Tonio_: yes, and I patched it with the patch tree
[12:55] <Tonio_> is the lib in debian actually ?
[12:55] <danimo> patch package even
[12:55] <danimo> Tonio_: I didn't check, might not me
[12:55] <danimo> be
[12:55] <Tonio_> okay
[12:55] <danimo> libmtp
[12:56] <Tonio_> danimo: okay so just perform a debuild -S -sa in the source tree
[12:56] <Tonio_> that will adjust the package with debian folder informations
[12:56] <Tonio_> then upload on revu with dput revu ../*.changes
[12:56] <Tonio_> that should be okay
[01:09] <Tonio_> danimo: is that okay or can I help ?
[01:09] <danimo> Tonio_: I can't remember that I uploaded changes files the last time
[01:10] <danimo> Tonio_: for now I think I have to wait for the build deps to arrive
[01:10] <danimo> Tonio_: and then for debbuild to finish
[01:10] <danimo> Tonio_: does one do dch -i before or after debbuild?
[01:18] <Tonio_> danimo: you cannot upload another than a changes file with dput :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> that's not possible
[01:19] <Tonio_> danimo: to build I would suggest pbuilder
[01:19] <Tonio_> do you use it ?
[01:19] <danimo> not atm, still waiting for upgrades from apt
[01:19] <Tonio_> hum, my dog need to pee...
[01:20] <Tonio_> sorry I'll be back in a minute
[02:54] <ryanakca> How do I recommend a different icon set for kubuntu-desktop?  (I know I have poor chances of success)
[02:54] <ryanakca> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/kNeu-Screenshot-5497.html
[03:00] <omeow> Riddell, I believe kwin just crashed and it involved the xinerama patches you did. http://omeow.ath.cx/kwincrash.log
[03:00] <D4rkly> does anyone know where i can get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel from ?
[03:00] <omeow> Might be wrong though.
[03:05] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:09] <D4rkly> does anyone know where i can get compat-libstdc++, compat-libstdc++-devel
[03:18] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install libstdc++6-4.1-dev
[03:19] <D4rkly> i had to get compat-libstdc++ rpm from fedora then use alien do make .deb
[04:49] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[04:54] <freeflying> moin Hobbsee 
[04:55] <Hobbsee> heya freeflying :)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  new kmn didnt fix the bug i was hoping for
[05:10] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind 
[05:12] <Hobbsee> back later
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> heya lnxkde 
[05:56] <lnxkde> hi Hobbsee :)
[06:36] <lnxkde> I have made 3 live cds following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6.06 
 and they work nicely for livecds, but when I want to install the installer crash almost when finishing the instalation
[06:37] <lnxkde> I dont undestand the scripts and the guide is very easy to follow but I dont know why I cant get ubiquity to install my system like I want it
[07:11] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[07:11] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[08:31] <Sime> Hobbsee: ping
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Sime: pong
[08:31] <Sime> Hobbsee: did you package kde-systemsettings?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> Sime: i believe imbrandon did
[08:32] <Sime> Hobbsee: oh, in that case I'll go bug imbrandon_ 
[08:32] <Sime> imbrandon_: ping
[08:32] <Hobbsee> Sime: he hasnt been around in a day or so, and i cant ssh into his machine, so i'm not sure what's happened there
[08:33] <Sime> ok, I've just been looking at kde-systemsettings and trying to work out why some files don't get installed. (kde-settings-general.directory for example)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> i fixed a bug in that, i know that much
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Sime: maybe as it's not listed in debian/rules?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> Sime: where is kde-settings-general.directory anyway?
[08:43] <danimo> moin
[08:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: are you about to do amarok packages?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> danimo: imbrandon_'s machine has screwed up -  i cant ssh into there, for some reason
[08:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: I tried it yesterday and fucked up badly
[08:47] <Hobbsee> danimo: what failed?
[08:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: if you give me some hints, I can do it
[08:47] <danimo> Hobbsee: some of the kubuntu diffs
[08:48] <danimo> debian/patches/kubuntu_02_read_kubuntu_config.diff
[08:48] <Hobbsee> Sime: ah.  found it.  do any of those .desktop files in that folder get installed?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Sime: and where are they supposed to get installed to?
[08:49] <danimo> and who changed the adblock filter
[08:49] <danimo> ?
[08:49] <danimo> it's got red circles everywhere now
[08:49] <danimo> looks more annoying than the actual ads
[08:50] <danimo> (plus it hides things that are not actually ads)
[08:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: you suggest it to kwwii
[08:53] <Riddell> omeow: try reporting to seli
[08:53] <Riddell> danimo: pong
[08:54] <danimo> Riddell: any idea who wrote kubuntu_02_read_kubuntu_config.diff ?
[08:55] <danimo> Riddell: it failed to merge, which is why I found it in first place.
[08:55] <danimo> (in amarok, sorry)
[08:55] <danimo> but it's just horribly wrong
[08:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: i suspect you can delete it?
[08:56] <danimo> Hobbsee: why?
[08:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: depends what's in it
[08:59] <Riddell> danimo: changelog suggests I wrote it
[09:00] <danimo> Riddell: sorry, it's not really your fault it seems
[09:00] <danimo> Riddell: the original code is wrong, you just adapted it
[09:00] <danimo> Riddell: it doesn't use kconfig to find keys :(
[09:00] <danimo> why oh why
[09:01] <Hobbsee> danimo: might help if you pastebinned it
[09:01] <Riddell> yes, maybe kconfig was too much of a startup time for a splash screen
[09:01] <Riddell> however this'll be why you can't override the splash screen option :)
[09:02] <danimo> Riddell: poor excuse if you ask me. the real reason is probably that they wanted to spare the creation of an entire kapplication
[09:02] <danimo> Hobbsee: issue settled
[09:02] <danimo> :)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> danimo: cool :)
[09:03] <Hobbsee> danimo: are you uploading amarok, then i'm applying my changes later, or what?
[09:03] <danimo> Hobbsee: I still have to compile it. if you are further already..
[09:03] <danimo> Hobbsee: btw: can we get libmtp in?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> danimo: i'm happy to do it, i've already got some changes on it, but imbrandon's killed his machine, it seems, so i have no access
[09:04] <Hobbsee> danimo: i would expect so.  want to package it?
[09:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes, it's a new optional dependency, but we would have to get it into main I'm afraid
[09:05] <danimo> (in the long term)
[09:05] <danimo> So I'll first do it without
[09:05] <Hobbsee> danimo: true that.  package it first, then we can look at bumping it into main
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ah, here's imbrandon
[09:05] <Hobbsee> HAH!
[09:05] <Hobbsee> danimo: right, what did you find out?  i've got access again now :)
[09:06] <danimo> Hobbsee: one of the patches needs adjustment
[09:06] <imbrandon> moins all
[09:06] <Hobbsee> danimo: do you have the fix?
[09:06] <danimo> Hobbsee: working on it
[09:06] <Hobbsee> danimo: if you could send it to me, that'd be cool :)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> danimo: unless you want my source, adn to do all of it
[09:07] <danimo> Riddell: the kubuntu check supposed to happen in case the original file is not there, right?
[09:07] <danimo> Hobbsee: what did you change?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> danimo: check the bugs assigned to me
[09:07] <Riddell> danimo: it's supposed to override the original file
[09:08] <Riddell> danimo: original file is splash on, kubuntu-default-settings turns it off
[09:08] <danimo> Riddell: not always, is it?
[09:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: apparently that's fixed in 1.4.2 ;0
[09:08] <danimo> Riddell: but that renders the config file useless :)
[09:08] <Riddell> danimo: why?
[09:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: no, they restructured the file
[09:09] <danimo> Riddell: because if you always use what's in your config file, the original file will never be evaluated
[09:09] <danimo> Riddell: I'd say it should only be read of the original amarokrc does not contain the key
[09:11] <Riddell> danimo: the kubuntu amarokrc is ment to override amarok's amarokrc
[09:12] <danimo> Riddell: but that's wrong, because people will suddenly find that the splash option in amarok does no longer work
[09:13] <Riddell> /etc/kde3/amarokrc overriden by /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/amarokrc overriden by ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[09:13] <Riddell> is what we want
[09:15] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i see
[09:15] <danimo> Riddell: ah
[09:15] <danimo> Riddell: but /etc/kde3/amarokrc is never evaluated anyway
[09:15] <Hobbsee> why do we not copy  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/amarokrc to /etc/kde3/amarokrc anyway, i wonder...
[09:16] <danimo> yes, me too :)
[09:17] <Riddell> because then you get the kubuntu settings even if you don't want them, the point of kubuntu-default-settings package is that you can uninstall it and return KDE to all its defaults
[09:17] <Riddell> in this case, it's probably not too important
[09:18] <James_Cox> Hello All
[09:18] <James_Cox> i have a problem with my kubuntu not loading
[09:18] <Riddell> hello James_Cox 
[09:18] <danimo> Riddell: it's really an upstream problem anyway
[09:18] <Riddell> danimo: it is, but I suspect they don't care
[09:19] <danimo> Riddell: I will make them :)
[09:19] <danimo> Riddell: they just need a kinstance, really
[09:19] <danimo> which is not too expensive
[09:19] <James_Cox> basically, when it buts up and it shows the kubuntu logo and loads the dirvers but when it's finished loading the drivers the screen goes black, the kubuntu logo repair and it just hangs
[09:19] <imbrandon> kinstance?>
[09:19] <Riddell> danimo: do you know how well kontact supports openexchange using ldap?
[09:19] <danimo> imbrandon: kapplication = qapplication + kinstance + some more methods
[09:20] <imbrandon> ah 
[09:20] <danimo> Riddell: well, kontact supports ldap for addressbooks
[09:20] <Riddell> James_Cox: dapper? edgy?
[09:20] <James_Cox> ummm
[09:20] <James_Cox> the latest one
[09:20] <James_Cox> dapper
[09:20] <danimo> Riddell: and has support for openexchange
[09:20] <danimo> Riddell: so I would suspect it works, but I really cannot rell
[09:20] <danimo> tell
[09:20] <danimo> for sure
[09:21] <James_Cox> riddell: sorry quite new to linux, but been using now for a few months but anything past using it is beyond me @ the moment
[09:21] <imbrandon> James_Cox: ok do this , are you on that computer right now ?
[09:21] <imbrandon> or using another one
[09:21] <James_Cox> Im using another computer @ the moment thats sitting next to the linux box
[09:22] <imbrandon> ok then on the linux box press ctl+alt+f1
[09:22] <imbrandon> you should get a console login prompt
[09:22] <imbrandon> login with your username and pass , let me know when you got that far ...
[09:22] <danimo> This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be
[09:22] <danimo> an appropriate original tar file in the parent directory;
[09:23] <danimo> Hobbsee: what can I do about that?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> danimo: you forgot to rename the upstream tarball?
[09:23] <imbrandon> danimo: make one ? heh
[09:23] <danimo> Hobbsee: no
[09:23] <Hobbsee> you probably forgot to change it from tar.bz2 to tar.gz, too
[09:23] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[09:23] <danimo> amarok_1.4.2.orig.tar.gz
[09:23] <James_Cox> i'm now @ username@username-desktop
[09:24] <imbrandon> ok James_Cox type this verbatium ( with no quotes ) ......
[09:24] <imbrandon> " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade "
[09:24] <danimo> Hobbsee:  amarok-1.4.2 and amarok_1.4.2.orig.tar.gz are the only files around
[09:25] <James_Cox> ok
[09:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: (the directory has all the patches)
[09:25] <James_Cox> 1 sec
[09:25] <Hobbsee> danimo: i wonder if upstream really did fix that amarok bug, like they said
[09:25] <danimo> or rather _THE_ maintainer patch
[09:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay, i dont know then
[09:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: which one?
[09:25] <Hobbsee> danimo: the splashscreen one
[09:25] <danimo> Hobbsee: what was the problem in first place?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> danimo: couldnt make the splashscreen not show up
[09:26] <James_Cox> imbrandon: it's just running the server search now
[09:26] <imbrandon> good 
[09:26] <imbrandon> let it finish
[09:26] <James_Cox> it has done
[09:26] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh wait, it seems they fixed it
[09:26] <lnxkde> anyone up?
[09:27] <James_Cox> imbrandon: what now mate?
[09:27] <danimo> Hobbsee:  they now look up  QStringList dirs = KGlobal::dirs()->findAllResources( "config", "amarokrc" ); and iterate trough
[09:27] <imbrandon> ok type .....
[09:27] <danimo> Hobbsee: so if the path I just pasted above is in the kde resource system, it should be cake and we can go without the patch
[09:27] <lnxkde> someone could help me with this ? http://wiki.oss-watch.ac.uk/UbuntuDapper/Remaster
[09:27] <lnxkde> I need help in the last part..
[09:27] <Hobbsee> danimo: hopefully, yeah.  i just checked the changelog
[09:27] <lnxkde> the 1.3
[09:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: hehe
[09:28] <imbrandon> James_Cox: type " apt-cache show xserver-xorg|grep Version "
[09:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: we have C classes this semester again, yay!
[09:28] <lnxkde> it says to create a sed script...
[09:28] <Hobbsee> danimo: maths assignment is due tomorrow though.  i've done about half, and i really cant be screwed to do the rest :(
[09:28] <lnxkde> I dont know how...
[09:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: I've got to wrap up the kde news for linux user magazine today
[09:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: same problem here :)
[09:29] <Riddell> lnxkde: it gives you the commands to use
[09:29] <Riddell> including sed
[09:29] <lnxkde> I write cat
[09:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: originally, I stumbed over doing the package because I wanted to take a screenshot
[09:29] <lnxkde> and start typing all that is there?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> danimo: ahhh...
[09:29] <danimo> Hobbsee: now isn't that investigative journalism? ;)
[09:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: you're on i386?
[09:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: aye
[09:30] <Hobbsee> danimo: i'll throw some debs up if i get them to create
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and then you cang et screenshots
[09:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: so I should just give up my stuff? 
[09:30] <danimo> Hobbsee: since I think it works now
[09:31] <imbrandon> James_Cox: still there ? reboot that computer ( the linux one  ) and you should be golden
[09:31] <Hobbsee> danimo: *nods* - your stuff is helpful though
[09:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i just changed edgybuild
[09:31] <Hobbsee> btw
[09:32] <imbrandon> yay \o/
[09:32] <danimo> Hobbsee: I am just curious to learn why the hell it thinks that I am compiling 1.4.1
[09:32] <imbrandon> you fix it not to use pdebuild ?
[09:32] <James_Cox> imbrandon: i ran that command  "apt-cache show xserver-xorg|grep Version"
[09:32] <James_Cox> byt
[09:32] <James_Cox> but
[09:32] <James_Cox> i dont have the upright between xorg and grep
[09:32] <imbrandon> its shift and the key above enter on most keyboards
[09:33] <imbrandon> called a "pipe" key
[09:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: did you increment the changelog, and change the version?
[09:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it now works with --use-pdebuild-internal
[09:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: ah, there we go :)
[09:33] <danimo> Hobbsee: so I have to do dch -i before? :)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes
[09:34] <James_Cox> imbrandon: thing is i'm using an english keyboard under US settings on linux so it's one thing i can't get,
[09:34] <James_Cox> imbrandon: is it imperative that it's there?
[09:34] <imbrandon> yes but just ignore that command, it was just a check anyhow, go ahead and reboot that box
[09:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pdebuild is useful - but the option that we want in pdebuild, which is in pbuilder build foo.dsc is the --use-pdebuild-internal option
[09:34] <imbrandon> you should be golden now
[09:34] <James_Cox> Ok
[09:34] <James_Cox> cool
[09:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i checked the man page :P
[09:35] <danimo> Hobbsee: now it works :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> danimo: yay :)
[09:35] <imbrandon> ahh i just use pbuilder-edgy build foo so it will take advantage distcc and ccache ;) pbeduild dosent
[09:35] <Hobbsee> doesnt help that i canned the build partway thru to change teh script
[09:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: how do you cope with all the automake conflicts?
[09:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: configure.in and stuff
[09:36] <danimo> Hobbsee: most of them shoduln't be relevant at all
[09:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah, fair enough.  i thought it would use both, seeing as they're mentioned in the config file
[09:36] <Hobbsee> danimo: havent found them yet.  which automake is it wanting?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> !find automake
[09:36] <ubotu> Found: automake1.4, automake1.7, automake1.8, automake1.9
[09:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: the point is that it tries to patch a lot of files just for the heck of it
[09:37] <James_Cox> imbrandon: booting now
[09:37] <imbrandon> i dunno unless pdebuild uses the pbuilderrc from /var/cache/pbuilder/edgy/
[09:37] <imbrandon> if it does it should then
[09:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: because the maintainer decided to run make -f Makefile.cvs with a different version
[09:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, edgybuild does - you can set the config file.  run less /usr/local/bin/edgybuild :P
[09:37] <danimo> Hobbsee: so there's a diff for the output of two slightly different autofoo versions
[09:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's how i got it to behave at all - the differing config files
[09:37] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah, lovely
[09:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: although upstream delivers a version that works just fine
[09:38] <James_Cox> imbrandon: and it got to the same point and hangs
[09:38] <Hobbsee> danimo: what version did upstream use?
[09:38] <James_Cox> : (
[09:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: I didn't have the patience to go through the diff file and remove the crap
[09:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: no idea, but it doesn't matter. it will work with edgy and dapper
[09:38] <Hobbsee> odd that
[09:39] <Tonio_> hi
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[09:40] <James_Cox> imbrandon: i logged in via command prompt and ran startx and it came back with a fatel error
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will not ba available today since I'm going back to paris
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should get me key back and will upload kio-locate toonight
[09:40] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee
[09:40] <imbrandon> ahh now that James_Cox needs to be taken to #kubuntu , lots of people in there to help with that one
[09:40] <James_Cox> ahh
[09:41] <James_Cox> am i in the wrong place
[09:41] <imbrandon> James_Cox: yea type "/join #kubuntu" here in irc
[09:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how do you go up in a screen session?
[09:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: failed to stat /debian/tmp/usr/share/config.kcfg/amarok.kcfg
[09:43] <danimo> hmm
[09:43] <imbrandon> go up?
[09:43] <imbrandon> just like any other bash promt 
[09:43] <imbrandon> pg up should work
[09:43] <imbrandon> err
[09:43] <imbrandon> shift + pg up
[09:43] <Hobbsee> :( page up doesnt
[09:44] <danimo> Hobbsee: I give up :)
[09:44] <Hobbsee> gah.  it's wanting automake 1.7, and something else
[09:45] <imbrandon> Riddell: did you get to talk to anyone about .hidden yesterday ? can i add it to kds ?
[09:45] <danimo> Hobbsee: who?
[09:45] <Riddell> imbrandon: lets do it
[09:45] <imbrandon> kk sounds great
[09:46] <Hobbsee> danimo: amarok
[09:46] <danimo> why is that a problem?
[09:47] <Lure> imbrandon: .hidden works nicely also with firefox file selection - you can right click and Show Hidden to see everything as in KDE
[09:47] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: pbuilder should grab 1.7  
[09:47] <Lure> imbrandon: so it should be safe thing to do
[09:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not if 1.9 is specified :P
[09:47] <imbrandon> lol
[09:48] <imbrandon> Lure: yea i've been using it all day ;)
[09:48] <imbrandon> its quite nice
[09:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: didnt you already eyeball the control file?
[09:48] <imbrandon> for amarok ? no that was your beaste , i havent touched it since 1.4.1 release
[09:48] <imbrandon> ( at your request heh )
[09:49] <imbrandon> Lure: for sure , heheh but i dont imagine many gnome users will have k-d-s installed , and if they do it will be a plesant suprise ;)
[09:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: point.  i thought you'd checked it to see if i was missing anything :)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i just dont see the point in duplicate work - esp seeing as i found some bugs to fix in it anwya
[09:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: nah i havent even opened the changelog tbh i just seen it on the hdd
[09:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: right
[09:52] <imbrandon> before the next release though ( post 1.4.2 ) and any other major apps we'll all ( or more than one ) will collaboate on thoguh i think its a good idea to post a bzr somewhere , you know you DO have ssh access to /people/~hobbsee so you could push bzr branches there ;)
[09:53] <imbrandon> apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings
[09:53] <imbrandon> gah
[09:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: indeed.  i've yet to learn bzr stuff.
[09:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i could have fixed a lot of these bugs in 1.4.1 - but i was being lazy.
[09:54] <imbrandon> its simple, next week when you have soem time away from classes i'll give you a quick rundown
[09:54] <Hobbsee> er...yeah.
[09:54] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:54] <imbrandon> LOL well you know what i mean, just ping me when you got about 1 or 2 hours to play with it
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hehe okay
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hmm.  it says it's compiling witout libvisual support
[09:58] <fritsch> Riddell: ping
[09:58] <Riddell> hi fritsch 
[09:59] <fritsch> Riddell: I want to join you this afternoon in Wiesbaden, is there some "space" for staying some hours?
[10:01] <fritsch> Riddell: okay let` s see ;-) have to disconnect (never ending story of wpa_supplicant and network-manager) see you
[10:04] <imbrandon> heh the long journey home for the golden penguin .... looked like fun
[10:06] <Riddell> anyone know who fritsch is?
[10:07] <imbrandon> hrm just a user afaik , he said something about being close to Weisbaden yesterday when you guys was talking about it
[10:08] <Riddell> I guess we'll find out soon enough
[10:09] <imbrandon> ugh
[10:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:10] <imbrandon> why did mdz change bug #49187 to kdebase, its a xubuntu-meta problem 
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49187 in kdebase "xubuntu-desktop configures xubuntu as default session in kdm, even if its wrong" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/49187
[10:10] <imbrandon> ** Changed in: xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
[10:10] <imbrandon> Sourcepackagename: xubuntu-meta => kdebase
[10:10] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i dont know, he's in -bugs though if you wanted to ask
[10:16] <imbrandon> omg Riddell / kwwii_ i could kiss you, you fixed kwin-crystal up well 3/4 of the way, hover over them still has the old gradient 
[10:17] <imbrandon> kwwii_: also did you know that the kdm screen but menu and > buttons are transparent unless hovered over ?
[10:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: he's working on both of those today
[10:20] <imbrandon> sweet
[10:20] <Hobbsee> right.  sources for amarok are on buntudot.  they're currently building
[10:20] <imbrandon> man i must say i hated kwin-crystal before but its fskin rockin now
[10:22] <imbrandon> Riddell: i'm kinda lost in this k-d-s thing
[10:22] <imbrandon> got a sec to spain it to me 
[10:22] <imbrandon> splain*
[10:22] <imbrandon> heh
[10:23] <imbrandon> or can i just hand you the default .hidden file for / and you work the magic ?
[10:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: make a new directory, put your hidden files in it, add commands to the Makefile to install them in the right place
[10:24] <imbrandon> ahh ok i was looking in rules
[10:24] <imbrandon> lol
[10:28] <Lure> kwwii_: if you are working on login screen, is it possible to also address bug 40821?
[10:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40821 in kdebase "login dialog font is huge on 147 DPI screen" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40821
[10:28] <allee> Hobbsee: knemo 0.4.4-2 was uploaded.  But it's currently hidden somewhere between debians incoming and archive
[10:28] <Hobbsee> allee: cool, okay :)
[10:29] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh yea mine is still in the new cue on ftp-master i think
[10:29] <imbrandon> lol
[10:38] <kwwii_> Lure: hrm, that is a hard one
[10:38] <kwwii_> I think that answer would be to replace the button image with an icon with text next to it
[10:40] <Lure> kwwii_: :-( can we just reduce font a bit and increase the button a bit?
[10:41] <kwwii_> Lure: that is a problem with X, not the font size in the XML
[10:41] <imbrandon> Riddell: ping http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/  <-- new k-d-s with .hidden
[10:48] <seaLne> that was usefull, kde session manager remembered kwin wasn't running during previous login (it had crashed) and so didn't bother running it the next time :)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> l
[10:53] <Hobbsee> OH YOU SODDING PIECE OF.....argh!
[10:53] <Hobbsee> dh_installudev -pamarok
[10:53] <Hobbsee> dh_install -pamarok
[10:53] <Hobbsee> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/services/lastfm.protocol': No such file or directory
[10:54] <Hobbsee> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[10:54] <Hobbsee> make: *** [binary-install/amarok]  Error 1  
[10:54] <Lathiat> need to mkdir -p debian/tmp/usr/share/services ?
[10:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: only in / ?  not /media ?
[10:56] <seaLne> why does crystal have a special "on all desktops" button?
[10:57] <imbrandon> gah
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: no, they renamed it, and i forgot to fix it.
[10:57] <seaLne> cosmetically i don't like it and also think its a bit pointless button
[10:57] <imbrandon> hold on Riddell i for got the media one, did you upload already ?
[10:57] <Lathiat> ah ok
[10:58] <Riddell> nope
[10:58] <imbrandon> ok give me just a sec
[10:58] <imbrandon> sorry /me being dumb
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: no, they renamed the file, and i forgot about it.
[11:01] <Lathiat> up-enter? ;p
[11:01] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: and i took the debian/ from 1.4.1 packages, not the 1.4.2beta1 packages that iw as using locally
[11:01] <Lathiat> ah
[11:01] <Lathiat> right
[11:05] <imbrandon> ok Riddell re-uploaded
[11:05] <imbrandon> same place
[11:06] <imbrandon> seaLne: where do you see that button ?
[11:06] <seaLne> next to the icon on the left
[11:07] <imbrandon> hrm i dont have that here
[11:07] <imbrandon> might be my profile thogh
[11:07] <imbrandon> though*
[11:07] <seaLne> www2.duffus.org/tmp/ss.png
[11:08] <imbrandon> hrm yea i definately dont have that
[11:08] <seaLne> it only happened with the new crystal
[11:08] <omeow> Ok, Riddell.
[11:09] <Riddell> seaLne: hmm, so that's not just me
[11:09] <imbrandon> seaLne: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss15.png but as i said i might be my profile
[11:11] <seaLne> adept thinks upgrading k-desktop will break hmm
[11:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: is amarok still building though?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> danimo: yes
[11:15] <seaLne> is there not a kubuntu colour scheme?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> grrr.  all axioms suck
[11:15] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it's purple
[11:16] <seaLne> system settings -> appearance -> colours -> color scheme
[11:16] <seaLne> nothing there
[11:18] <Hobbsee> "it's true because we all agree it's true, dont ask me to prove the damn things"
[11:18] <Hobbsee> seaLne: ahh...yes...that.  i was going to bug someone about that
[11:19] <imbrandon> hehe bug kwwii_ ;)
[11:20] <imbrandon> mmm food brb
[11:28] <Riddell> seaLne: I see that too but I have no idea why, nothing has changed in kwinrc
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you happen to figure out the autohell stuff last night?
[11:29] <seaLne> Riddell: i presume currently the colour scheme is just being set in default settings?
[11:30] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, it's in kdeglobal
[11:31] <Riddell> seaLne: but what we're seeing is custombuttons being turned to false, no idea why
[11:31] <Riddell> which is set in kwinrc
[11:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, internet ran out before I did.  I'm mostly out of ideas though
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah okay
[11:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: k-d-s uploaded
[11:32] <Riddell> thanks
[11:32] <Hobbsee> sigh.  breathing is overrated.
[11:32] <imbrandon> thanks Riddell
[11:32] <seaLne> Hobbsee: no ones forcing you :P
[11:32] <imbrandon> lol @ seaLne
[11:33] <imbrandon> arg i realy dont wanna reinstall my laptop today
[11:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hehe
[11:33] <imbrandon> but i botched the partition table soooo
[11:34] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna just get rid of osx all togather on it and only run kubuntu + fluxbox
[11:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oculd be smart.  why doyou want osx anyway?
[11:35] <imbrandon> becouse i use photoshop ALOT
[11:35] <imbrandon> and its native in OSX ;)
[11:35] <imbrandon> native in windows too but i refuse to run xp ;)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> point
[11:35] <imbrandon> leaste osx is a *nix system
[11:37] <imbrandon> but my battery does last ALOT longer in *ubuntu than osx ;)
[11:37] <imbrandon> like osx == 2 hours battery , ubuntu == about 4.5 
[11:37] <imbrandon> have NO idea why
[11:37] <Hobbsee> wow, nice!
[11:38] <imbrandon> heh yea when i noticed that i was happy, i dunno how it does it but its nice
[11:38] <imbrandon> i dont think osx throttles the cpu like ubuntu
[11:38] <imbrandon> cuz the fans run full time in osx and rarely kickon in ubuntu
[11:39] <Hobbsee> woot!  amarok is finishing!
[11:39] <imbrandon> that and media codecs for ppc linux kida suck, but no so for osx ( but i dont watch much media on the lappy anyhow )
[11:39] <imbrandon> kinda*
[11:40] <imbrandon> wow you mean i get my cpu cycles back Hobbsee LOL
[11:41] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  for a bit
[11:41] <Hobbsee> feel free to test - http://buntudot.org/~people/hobbsee/amarok
[11:41] <Hobbsee> i386 only
[11:41] <Hobbsee> or, when it's copied
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh you get a uvfe ?
[11:42] <imbrandon> me grabs it fro the pbuilder result instead
[11:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope.  gotta test to see if it works yet
[11:42] <imbrandon> erm /me ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's in ~/amarok/
[11:42] <Hobbsee> not in pbuilder result anymore (yay)
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh you can get a uvf without building it as long as you have a changelog THEN make it work ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: point.
[11:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i found a nice changelog :)
[11:43] <imbrandon> not in pbuilder result ? zouch , and i noticed it dident use the ccache either
[11:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: side effect of using internal pbuilder
[11:44] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:44] <Hobbsee> should probably check in the config file for that
[11:44] <Hobbsee> will check later
[11:44] <imbrandon> the config is fine
[11:44] <Hobbsee> right, ok
[11:44] <imbrandon> i just tested with pbuilder-edgy build blh
[11:44] <imbrandon> blah*
[11:45] <Hobbsee> that works too
[11:47] <imbrandon> heh and its /people/~hobbsee not /~poeple/hobbsee ;)
[11:47] <imbrandon> hehehe
[11:48] <imbrandon> whine till i make an alias for both to work ;)
[11:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: cool!
[11:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: hehe.  not cool.  makes it damned hard to concentrate!
[11:49] <seaLne> there is a kubuntuColours.kcsrc in k-d-s but it dosen't seem to show up
[11:49] <danimo> Hobbsee: no I mean the packages
[11:49] <Hobbsee> danimo: ah :)
[11:50] <Hobbsee> danimo: no idea if they work yet
[11:50] <danimo> Hobbsee: the url is wrong
[11:50] <imbrandon> i'll tell you in a sec ....
[11:50] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/home/hobbsee/amarok$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:50] <Hobbsee> anyway, dinner time
[11:50] <imbrandon> (Reading database ... 157241 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:50] <imbrandon> Preparing to replace amarok 2:1.4.1-0ubuntu3 (using amarok_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[11:50] <imbrandon> Unpacking replacement amarok ...
[11:50] <imbrandon> Selecting previously deselected package amarok-engines.
[11:50] <seaLne> ah the kubuntu theme is called O2 no wonder i didn't find it
[11:51] <imbrandon> Unpacking amarok-engines (from amarok-engines_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> Preparing to replace amarok-xine 2:1.4.1-0ubuntu3 (using amarok-xine_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> Unpacking replacement amarok-xine ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> Setting up amarok-xine (1.4.2-0ubuntu1) ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> Setting up amarok (1.4.2-0ubuntu1) ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> Setting up amarok-engines (1.4.2-0ubuntu1) ...
[11:51] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:/home/hobbsee/amarok$                            
[11:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice :)
[11:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: only if my music works LOL
[11:52] <danimo> imbrandon: where did you get the packages from?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> danimo: his hard drive.
[11:52] <imbrandon> danimo: hobsee uses my machine to build ;)
[11:52] <danimo> imbrandon: ah, right, since the url she posted was wrong
[11:52] <Hobbsee> probably wise, else my laptop would blow up, most likely
[11:53] <danimo> Hobbsee: so what's the url?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> danimo: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/amarok/
[11:53] <imbrandon> danimo: note the /home/hobbsee/amarok in the pwd ;)
[11:53] <danimo> hmm?
[11:53] <imbrandon> well it updated the db and rebuildt my collection 
[11:53] <imbrandon> time to test playback ;)
[11:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:56] <imbrandon> Hobbsee , danimo : http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss16.png
[11:57] <Hobbsee> hey, i know that song :P
[11:57] <imbrandon> heh
[11:58] <Hobbsee> hmm.  the purple got lighter
[11:59] <imbrandon> the gradient changed
[11:59] <imbrandon> burger will have some stuff for UWN now lol
[12:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:00] <imbrandon> i personaly like the blue better but this isnt terrible
[12:01] <imbrandon> i can think of worse things
[12:01] <imbrandon> kwwii_: ping .....
[12:02] <Hobbsee> oops.  i forgot some of the debs.
[12:02] <imbrandon> heh
[12:02] <imbrandon> put the source there too and i'll compile for backport it to dapper for my repo ;)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> dpkg - warning: downgrading amarok from 1.4.2beta1-0ubuntu1 to 1.4.2-0ubuntu1.
[12:03] <Hobbsee> yay for versioning wrong :P
[12:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i put that there first
[12:03] <imbrandon> hahah 
[12:03] <imbrandon> 1.4.1+1.4.2beta1 ;)
[12:04] <seaLne> or ~beta1
[12:04] <Hobbsee> should have done that
[12:04] <Hobbsee> oh well
[12:05] <Hobbsee> seems to work here
[12:05] <imbrandon> yea working fine here too
[12:05] <seaLne> kwwii_: is the welcome page for things like kmail and konq changing to purple aswell?
[12:06] <kwwii_> seaLne: I have thought about changing it as well, yes
[12:06] <kwwii_> it depends on how much time is left
[12:06] <seaLne> today i decided to switch to purple and i'm noticing how many other things are still blue :)
[12:07] <seaLne> kwwii_: any thoughts on bug 57426
[12:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57426 in kubuntu-default-settings "the default kubuntu colour scheme has a non obvious name" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57426
[12:07] <imbrandon> yea alot is still blue , most noticebly the konqui start and the Kmenu button ( that should be a kubuntu logo like all other distros )
[12:07] <seaLne> i'd disagree i think it should be the kde logo
[12:08] <seaLne> but not a major thing to me
[12:08] <imbrandon> why ? we are not kde default desktop, and name ONE distro that dosent unse a distributor logo , even ubuntu porper does for gnome 
[12:08] <danimo> Hobbsee: where did you put the engines?
[12:09] <imbrandon> danimo: she's still uploading afaik
[12:09] <danimo> got it :)
[12:09] <seaLne> imbrandon: i like having the KDE logo visible
[12:10] <seaLne> it also sticks with what a kde user would expect
[12:10] <imbrandon> not realy , no other distr uses the default kde logo button, thats why its called a distributor.png ;)
[12:10] <omeow> imbrandon, if you have two monitors, the purple background does not span to the 2nd monitor, that one has a blue background.
[12:11] <imbrandon> omeow: strang i'll look into it but it does here on my dual monitor
[12:11] <seaLne> omeow: bug 57428 ?
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57428 in kubuntu-default-settings "kdm background is still blue but has purple wallpaper" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57428
[12:11] <imbrandon> but i dont have a default profile
[12:11] <omeow> That sounds like it, seaLne.
[12:12] <seaLne> well a result of it anyway
[12:13] <imbrandon> but anyhow seaLne i would expect to see it in a kde proper desktop but as stated many times kubuntu isnt kde proper and even ubuntu uses the distributor logo not the foot
[12:13] <imbrandon> thats why the distributor logo is there ;)
[12:14] <kwwii_> we are working on kdm atm
[12:15] <kwwii_> don't worry, everything will be fine :-)
[12:15] <kwwii_> more so after lunch :p
[12:15] <seaLne> yeah just aswell to point things out tho :)
[12:16] <omeow> I just tried to share a directory with samba using the kubuntu settings, I checked "writable" but my windows client can only view the files, not write to them or make new ones.
[12:16] <omeow> I want to share the dir without anyone having to log in.
[12:16] <omeow> So far that seems to be going quite well. However, the writable setting does not seem to do what it says. Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting it?
[12:17] <imbrandon> omeow: i would file a bug i think you have to fiddle with the samba.conf to get it actualy to work correctly
[12:17] <seaLne> what are the perms on the actuall dir?
[12:17] <imbrandon> thats true too you need the dir perms set right also
[12:17] <seaLne> i presume all you are doing is the samba ro/rw setting which is still reliant on fs perms
[12:17] <omeow> imbrandon, that probably explains. I made such a fool out of myself spending time at a neighbor who I convinced to try kubuntu. I just couldn't "easily" share directories with windows clients.
[12:18] <imbrandon> yea but you need to cahnge the fs perms too
[12:18] <imbrandon> not just the settings in the conf
[12:18] <imbrandon> as seaLne said
[12:18] <seaLne> which while perhaps non obvious shouldn't just be done by samba imho
[12:19] <imbrandon> seaLne: probably true 
[12:20] <imbrandon> i use nfs / nis anymore even for windows clients so it has beena  few weeks since i looked at smb stuff
[12:29] <imbrandon> Riddell: hrm where is the system menu applet , err what package is it in, it seems to need patched too for simes stuff
[12:30] <imbrandon> its using system:/ or media:/ every thing not / or /media
[12:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: in kicker package
[12:31] <imbrandon> k
[12:33] <imbrandon> Riddell: can we add a "Home Folder" or "My Comptuer" type thing to the default desktop ? other than the system menu applet there is not real konqueror-filemanager-profile link
[12:33] <imbrandon> or atleaste a link to filemanager ( aka konq ) the the kmenu
[12:34] <Riddell> no, blank desktop by default
[12:34] <omeow> perhaps the sharing menu should tell users to adjust the settings on their shared directories too. (Or maybe even do it automaticly)
[12:35] <Riddell> the point of the system menu is to provide that
[12:35] <imbrandon> ok Riddell how about a link on the kmenu for the file manager profile in konq then becosue you and me know we acn start it from the internet menu but new users dont
[12:35] <Riddell> omeow: the whole sharing stuff in kde is crap
[12:36] <omeow> Riddell, that I found out yesterday. =/
[12:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: we are the system menu, we're not doing to duplicate it
[12:36] <Riddell> s/are/have/
[12:36] <imbrandon> hrm ok
[12:37] <imbrandon> just seems strange not to have a file manager by default
[12:37] <imbrandon> but okies
[12:40] <Riddell> we do.  it has a whole menu dedicated to it
[12:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:44] <seaLne> the name system menu could be confusing tho with users thinking it was something system related rather than "my files" type stuff (my* is awfull tho)
[12:48] <Riddell> "My Computer"
[12:48] <Riddell> seems to be the suse approach :)
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea i agree my* is awefull , but system menu i think off settings and such like the kmenu->system , dont have a solution but i agree
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea My Compuer is Suse and fedora way
[12:49] <Riddell> "Files" would seem quite sensible
[12:49] <imbrandon> yea
[12:49] <seaLne> yeah, seems good
[12:50] <Tm_T> yes
[12:50] <seaLne> now the icon... :)
[12:50] <Riddell> I expect imbrandon will send a patch soon :)
[12:50] <imbrandon> heheh yup ;)
[12:51] <seaLne> Riddell: was it you or kwiii that called the colour scheme O2?
[12:51] <imbrandon> even O2 - kubuntu default would be helpfull ;)
[12:52] <seaLne> yeah
[12:52] <imbrandon> even "O2 - kubuntu default" would be helpfull ;)
[12:52] <Riddell> seaLne: kwwii's name, I put it in the file.  "Kubuntu O2" would be better
[12:52] <imbrandon> yea
[12:53] <seaLne> imbrandon: colour-schemes/kubuntuColours.kcsrc if you are updating k-d-s anyway
[12:53] <imbrandon> yup
[12:53] <imbrandon> looking now
[12:53] <seaLne> not sure if you can have spaces?
[12:54] <seaLne> ah yeah others do
[12:54] <seaLne> Name=Lipstik Standard
[12:54] <Riddell> name's are freeform
[12:55] <Riddell> s/'//
[12:55] <imbrandon> yup , changed one sec
[12:55] <imbrandon> ugh it grabbed the old source
[12:59] <seaLne> imbrandon: if you don't mind waiting i'm trying to find where the background colour for kdm is set
[12:59] <seaLne> somewhere in artwork/kdm-theme
[01:00] <Riddell> seaLne: there's a separate kdesktoprc file or something
[01:00] <imbrandon> k 
[01:00] <imbrandon> lemme know i'll cahnge that too
[01:00] <seaLne> saves multiple uploads
[01:00] <imbrandon> right
[01:00] <Riddell> /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[01:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:00] <seaLne> Riddell: ah not in k-d-s then
[01:01] <seaLne> imbrandon: so i'll sort that
[01:01] <imbrandon> ok np
[01:01] <Sime> imbrandon_:  did you make the kde-systemsettings package?
[01:01] <seaLne> anyone know what purple it is?
[01:02] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/ for new k-d-s
[01:02] <imbrandon> Sime: what one ? 
[01:02] <seaLne> imbrandon: ah the desktop backgroud colour should probably be changed aswell probably its in k-d-s?
[01:03] <imbrandon> yea afaik it is , i'll look before Riddell gets back from lunch
[01:03] <seaLne> its still dark blue
[01:03] <imbrandon> Sime: no i dident make that package
[01:04] <imbrandon> Sime: wanna patch the kicker systemsettings applet to use / and /meda not system:/ and media:/ ?
[01:04] <imbrandon> as part of your patches ?
[01:04] <seaLne> anyone know what purple it is?
[01:04] <imbrandon> s/systemsettings/systemmenu
[01:05] <imbrandon> seaLne: not i , kwwii does or look in te svg src
[01:05] <imbrandon> heh
[01:06] <seaLne> /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/kubuntu-wallpaper.png listed in kdm is blue
[01:07] <seaLne> thats the file in k-d-s where dose the purple come from?
[01:08] <Sime> imbrandon: I mean the systemsettings package in edgy? how is responsible for that
[01:09] <Sime> imbrandon: add that kicker systemsettings "issue" to the wiki.
[01:09] <imbrandon> k
[01:09] <seaLne> imbrandon: 183,171,215
[01:09] <Sime> imbrandon: I'm not sure if it will be used in the default settingsfor kubuntu....
[01:09] <imbrandon> and yea i help with the kubuntu-default-settign if thats what you mean
[01:09] <imbrandon> seaLne: ok
[01:10] <imbrandon> Sime: infact thats what i'm working on right now
[01:10] <imbrandon> whats up ?
[01:10] <Sime> imbrandon: I'm actually interested in the System-settings (read: our kcontrol replacement).
[01:10] <imbrandon> ohh no tonio does most of that 
[01:10] <imbrandon> but i can help etc we all kinda do the group thing ;)
[01:12] <imbrandon> seaLne: is that in k-d-s ?
[01:13] <seaLne> imbrandon: background colour?
[01:13] <imbrandon> yea you gave me the colur but not what to change ;)
[01:14] <imbrandon> ahh thats forthe desktop bg ?
[01:14] <seaLne> yeah sorry :)
[01:14] <imbrandon> heh okie
[01:14] <Hobbsee> danimo: forgot to upload them.  they should be there now
[01:14] <Sime> imbrandon: ok. Some *.directory files are not getting installed, and I'm not sure if it is a packaging problem or something to do with unsermake.
[01:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: you're famous http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=20689 :)
[01:16] <imbrandon> heh better tell her not to delete that dir as she normaly does after its uploaded
[01:16] <danimo> Hobbsee: well, don't delete it, add a README with the new location or so
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ack!!!!
[01:17] <imbrandon> seaLne: is that for color 1 or color 2 or both ?
[01:17] <imbrandon> danimo: i was gonna put a perminate link on imbrandon.com for the downloads lol
[01:17] <Hobbsee> (yay for learning german thru school)
[01:17] <danimo> Hobbsee: hehe
[01:18] <seaLne> imbrandon: 1 definitly not sure what 2 is for...
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Allerdings gibt es Version 1.4.2 noch nicht fr alle diese Distributionen. Fr Ubuntu-Benutzer hat Sarah Hobbs schon Pakete gebaut. Alle anderen knnen die Amarok-Sourcen von der Download-Seite des Projekt-Wikis beziehen.
[01:18] <seaLne> 1 is the dark blue
[01:18] <imbrandon> its for gradients i think
[01:18] <Hobbsee> version 1.4.2 is out for the ubuntu, i packaged it
[01:18] <imbrandon> However there are not version 1.4.2 yet for all these distributions. For Ubuntu users Sarah Hobbs already built packages. All different can refer the Amarok Sourcen from the Download side of the project Wikis.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ah.   the source for the download site is at teh project wiki page or something 
[01:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: haha, nice
[01:19] <Hobbsee> i wasnt going to cheat
[01:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:19] <imbrandon> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-community.de%2FNeues%2Fstory%3Fstoryid%3D20689&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[01:19] <Hobbsee> actually, our german was never terribly useful - it dealt with things like salt mines - not actual conversation
[01:20] <seaLne> like how being sent to australia wasn't as bad as the salt mines? :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hah.  i'm not natively german, you know
[01:23] <imbrandon> seaLne: okie changed and uploaded ready for Riddell when he gets back from lunch
[01:30] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[01:30] <\sh> moins imbrandon
[01:30] <danimo> heya \sh
[01:31] <\sh> moins danimo
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: possibly me about my masses of email?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: well.... it's not my fault you've decided to subscribe to each and every bug....
[01:39] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hehe
[01:39] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:41] <imbrandon> hahah if you had used pbuilder-edgy it would have cached it in ccache and only recompiled the changes ;)
[01:41] <imbrandon> imbrandon 1 pdebuild 0
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hobbsee@voyager:~/amarok$ linda *.changes
[01:41] <Hobbsee> E: amarok; No manual page for binary amarok_proxy.rb.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> E: amarok; No manual page for binary amarokapp.
[01:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> interesting.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:42] <seaLne> Andreas Lloyd is going about changing kubuntu bugs
[01:42] <Hobbsee> seaLne: who's he?
[01:42] <seaLne> some french translation guy
[01:42] <imbrandon> ask in -bugs
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:42] <seaLne> imbrandon: you saw something there or just general suggestion?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> that reminds me, who's going and setting all the importances of the bugs?
[01:43] <seaLne> Hobbsee: you and me?
[01:43] <imbrandon> the ppl in the dev sprint , its bug day
[01:43] <Hobbsee> seaLne: right...
[01:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i meant before that
[01:43] <seaLne> most were inherited, default was medium and users set there own
[01:43] <imbrandon> users can set ther own afaik
[01:44] <imbrandon> cant*
[01:44] <seaLne> they could before
[01:44] <seaLne> well anyone culd change it to be more specific now only core-dev and qa
[01:45] <Hobbsee> and -dev
[01:45] <Hobbsee> seaLne: nice, so you got -qa
[01:45] <seaLne> yeah
[01:45] <Hobbsee> seaLne: want to do me a favour?
[01:45] <seaLne> does it involve lots of mundane boring work?
[01:46] <Hobbsee> seaLne: quite possibly
[01:46] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there's *lots* more bugs i can close
[01:46] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:47] <seaLne> so what was it?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> seaLne: just going thru the amarok bug list, and seeing what's fixed
[01:48] <Hobbsee> i think i'm okay :)
[01:54] <danimo> Hobbsee: you missed daap support in your package :}
[01:55] <Hobbsee> danimo: indeed
[01:55] <danimo> Hobbsee: can you add it?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> danimo: someone will have to figure out how to first
[01:56] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think you just need to add the required files to amarok.install
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:58] <danimo> Hobbsee: something like libamarok_daap_mediadevice.* and the respective desktop-file
[01:58] <danimo> Hobbsee: can you see what libs the build system spits out?
[01:59] <Riddell> ello,
[01:59] <Riddell> For you help in your work, I compiled for you amarok 1.4.2 (i386).
[01:59] <Riddell> http://thelinux.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/ubuntu/dapper/amarok142/
[01:59] <Riddell> hmm
[01:59] <\sh> LOL
[01:59] <Hobbsee> um, okay?
[02:00] <danimo> Hobbsee: there are more mediadevices btw
[02:00] <mornfall> guess he meant it well :)
[02:00] <danimo> Hobbsee: not sure if we can get it in
[02:00] <danimo> then in
[02:00] <danimo> i.e. if they have external dependencies
[02:01] <danimo> Hobbsee: the install rules is what I hate most about the deb format
[02:01] <danimo> Hobbsee: if an application installs something it usually does so for a reason :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> danimo: true that
[02:01] <danimo> Hobbsee: njb, whatever that is, seems to have no deps
[02:02] <danimo> then there is one for filesystems
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh yeah...that's what i was going to enable...
[02:02] <Hobbsee> libnjb1 support
[02:03] <danimo> yeah
[02:04] <danimo> ah, nomad support, yeah
[02:04] <Hobbsee> darn it, it's only in universe, so i can only add it as suggests
[02:05] <danimo> Hobbsee: that should be alright though
[02:05] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it would need to be compiled with libnjb1-dev to get the support though
[02:07] <imbrandon> heh Riddell where did that link come from ?
[02:08] <seaLne> anyone played with kdm before? backgroundrc is in debian/kdm.install but i can't find it anywhere in the package
[02:09] <\sh> kubuntu default settings? 
[02:09] <seaLne> nope its provided by kdm
[02:09] <danimo> Hobbsee: yes it does
[02:09] <imbrandon> seaLne: thats what you had me change in k-d-s
[02:09] <danimo> Hobbsee: I just checked, it has a dependency on libdjb1
[02:10] <seaLne> imbrandon: no this is for kdm
[02:10] <Hobbsee> danimo: what's "it"?
[02:10] <seaLne> imbrandon: or am i wrong?
[02:10] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, the mediadevice plugin
[02:10] <danimo> in amarok
[02:10] <Hobbsee> we cant compile it with libnjb1-dev support - it's in universe
[02:10] <imbrandon> seaLne: no its in k-d-s i chnaged that already
[02:10] <ryanakca> brb, I'm going to see if I can finally get the default edgy theme back...
[02:11] <Hobbsee> danimo: not in ubuntu
[02:11] <seaLne> imbrandon: you changed the desktop background and the kdm background?
[02:11] <imbrandon> seaLne: afaik they use the same thing
[02:11] <seaLne> look at /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[02:12] <imbrandon> and ?
[02:12] <seaLne> thats where the colour is specified and that is provided by kdm
[02:13] <danimo> Hobbsee: hmm?
[02:13] <imbrandon> and i just siad i cahnged that in kubuntu-default-settings-6.10/kde-rc-files/backgroundrc its waiting to be uploaded
[02:13] <imbrandon> seaLne: ^^
[02:14] <seaLne> and i said that kdm uses a file that is in the kdm package not k-d-s
[02:14] <Hobbsee> [22:09]  <danimo> Hobbsee: I just checked, it has a dependency on libdjb1 <-- libdjb1 isnt in ubuntu
[02:14] <imbrandon> i thought you said you couldent find it ?
[02:14] <seaLne> i can't
[02:14] <seaLne> root@napier-01:~ # dpkg -S /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[02:14] <seaLne> kdm: /etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc
[02:14] <Hobbsee> danimo: unless you meant libnjb1 :P
[02:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: oh, yes, djb was something else :)
[02:15] <imbrandon> its likely provided by kds then
[02:15] <danimo> Hobbsee: don't ask :)
[02:15] <seaLne> imbrandon: then how does it get there as kdm installs the file
[02:15] <seaLne> imbrandon: i'm confused, not arguing with you btw
[02:15] <imbrandon> umm if its not in the kdm package kdm cant install it 
[02:17] <seaLne> how does dpkg -S decide which package a file is in?
[02:19] <imbrandon> i have no idea but its not provided by kdm 
[02:19] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/k-d-s/kdm$ find kdebase-3.5.4/ |grep backgroundrc
[02:19] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/k-d-s/kdm$                  
[02:20] <seaLne> imbrandon: do the same in k-d-s and do you see it there i don't?
[02:29] <imbrandon> hrm
[02:30] <imbrandon> heh cook me some too ;)
[02:30] <danimo> imbrandon: potatoes, scambled eggs and spinach?
[02:30] <imbrandon> -spinage
[02:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:31] <danimo> imbrandon_: they, that's the healthiest ingridient. haven't you ever seen popeye? :)
[02:31] <imbrandon> actualy i'm gonna go grab a bowl of fruity pebbles , hahahaha
[02:31] <imbrandon> and another mt dew ;)
[02:31] <danimo> imbrandon: honestly though, with a bit of salt and cream, it tastes awesome
[02:33] <seaLne> all the heavy metals in it?
[02:34] <danimo> seaLne: that would be news to me
[02:34] <danimo> seaLne: tuna is far worse
[02:34] <seaLne> its unfortunatly very good at sucking up any heavy metals in the soil
[02:34] <danimo> and still everyone (but me) seems to eat it
[02:34] <seaLne> tuna is bogging :P
[02:35] <danimo> ack :)
[02:35] <imbrandon> spinach == sour to me
[02:35] <danimo> seaLne: might explain why spinage is said to contain a high concentration of iron
[02:35] <imbrandon> thats why i dont like it
[02:35] <danimo> therefor considered healthy
[02:36] <danimo> imbrandon: that's why you add cream
[02:36] <danimo> imbrandon: nobody eats raw spinage (well, except for popeye)
[02:36] <seaLne> negating being healthy
[02:36] <imbrandon> heh
[02:37] <fritsch> Riddell: sorry :-( my mother got me by going out was {very}^x (x->inf) for cutting grass
[02:37] <danimo> seaLne: point is: I have all ingredients for the meal available
[02:37] <danimo> for some more advanced or mediterraine meals I'd have to go for some shopping
[02:37] <danimo> (no and I don't mean pizza ;)
[02:37] <imbrandon> heh
[02:38] <seaLne> spinach is nice in soup and i occasionally will eat it just boiled
[02:38] <danimo> Hobbsee: talking about healthy, eh :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> danimo: hmm.  does frozen bread count as healthy>
[02:39] <fritsch> Hobbsee: depens on what is on?
[02:39] <danimo> Hobbsee: don't you work in a food store? :)
[02:39] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ontop (soory)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> danimo: indeed, yes.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> fritsch: usually honey.  or just plain.
[02:40] <danimo> Hobbsee: and yeah, it depends how much you prefer to keep your teeth
[02:40] <imbrandon> brb
[02:40] <Hobbsee> danimo: i dont eat lollies at all - teeth get kept that way :P
[02:40] <danimo> Hobbsee: but frozen bread isn't good for them either :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> danimo: bah.  ice cubes are worse :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> so are pool walls, for that matter
[02:41] <Hobbsee> but that's not specific to teeth - that's also nasty for foreheads too :P
[02:41] <danimo> Hobbsee: you have an odd taste, girl...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> danimo: haha.  yes.
[02:42] <danimo> Hobbsee: I think it's healtier for you to stick to packaging :)
[02:42] <danimo> Hobbsee: talking about which... new amarok packages on the way by any chance? :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> danimo: i cant eat packaging :P
[02:43] <Hobbsee> sources are there, i'm building the fixed binaries
[02:43] <danimo> Hobbsee: but it satisfies (others). eating is overrated anyway
[02:43] <Hobbsee> danimo: not when you're hypoglycaemic :P
[02:44] <Hobbsee> or partially hypoglycaemic
[02:44] <Hobbsee> or whatever.
[02:44] <danimo> true
[03:18] <Hobbsee> danimo: and eveyrone else: fixed amarok debs are now on buntudot
[03:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i already installed them on voyager
[03:18] <fritsch> Hobbsee: build for edgy?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yes
[03:18] <fritsch> Hobbsee: okay, so I have to rebuild ...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> you'd need xinelib,  libvisual, etc stuff for dapper too, wouldnt you?
[03:20] <fritsch> Hobbsee: wait, what the dpkg-build says ...
[03:20] <Hobbsee> libvisual 0.4.0 isnt in dapper, although Riddell had some in his amarok 1.4.1 packages, iirc
[03:27] <ryanakca> yay! I finally got my kde reset to default kubuntu theme...
[03:28] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: mmh cannot find the packages? searching wrong?
[03:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: could you provide me a link?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> fritsch: why not just dpkg-source -x the dsc, then have a look at the deps/build deps?
[03:29] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i`ll want to try this
[03:29] <fritsch> Hobbsee: but can`t find your new sources ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> fritsch: new sources are with the binaries
[03:29] <imbrandon> fritsch: if you wait a few hours i'll have it backported to dapper
[03:29] <imbrandon> in my repo
[03:29] <fritsch> imbrandon: okay, I wait
[03:29] <Hobbsee> fritsch: where will you get libvisual, xinelib, etc stuff from?
[03:29] <fritsch> imbrandon: where is your repo?
[03:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I would backport them from edgy
[03:30] <imbrandon> imbrandon.com/packages
[03:30] <Hobbsee> true that
[03:30] <fritsch> imbrandon: thx, if you need help, just throw something
[03:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: "backport" sounds very "engeneering" though
[03:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: :-)
[03:30] <imbrandon> np , i've backported amarok a few times though ;)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: point.
[03:31] <imbrandon> sides if i wanna use it on my lappy i only have dapper ;)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:31] <Hobbsee> upgrade it :P
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mind you, REVU machines are breezy.
[03:32] <fritsch> Hobbsee: mmmh, breezy was not so stable for me ...
[03:32] <Hobbsee> fritsch: it's a *server* - it's likely to be mostly stable
[03:32] <imbrandon> lol i wont upgrade my lappy untill edgy release, all my other boxes are edgy but i need atleaste one stable one incase something major breaks
[03:32] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: how do you recommend a different default icon set for kubuntu? (I know it has little chance of success, but I find it nicer that default)...
[03:32] <omeow> who broke wine? =/
[03:33] <fritsch> Hobbsee: installed debian sarge, so old, but running like hell on a server ...
[03:33] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you get on the -art ML
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: for kubuntu?  talk to kwwii
[03:33] <fritsch> imbrandon: same for me
[03:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: which was it?  link?
[03:33] <imbrandon> fritsch: my server(s) are sarge
[03:33] <fritsch> imbrandon: yes, same here ...
[03:34] <fritsch> imbrandon: but if you need a gui, etc. working multimedia etc. no chance :-(
[03:34] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: there is talk about the icons on the ML from sab and such i would recomnd ther too not just kwwii ;)
[03:34] <fritsch> imbrandon: "backport lis too long for apt to cope with ...."
[03:34] <imbrandon> fritsch: thus i'm a kubuntu dev ;)
[03:34] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/kNeu-Screenshot-5497.html
[03:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah okay
[03:34] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: kNeu....
[03:34] <fritsch> imbrandon: hehe ... don` t like the kubuntu installer
[03:34] <Hobbsee> i know nothing, nothing at all...
[03:35] <fritsch> imbrandon: i use always the alternate one ...
[03:35] <imbrandon> ryanakca: looks a bit blueish for kubuntu
[03:35] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:35] <ryanakca> imbrandon: well... it would have been better on dapper :)
[03:36] <imbrandon> ok i'm off for a while to transcode this dvd and compile amarok for dapper
[03:36] <imbrandon> c yall in a few hours
[03:36] <fritsch> imbrandon: have fun :-) one is waiting for you (at least)
[03:37] <imbrandon> fritsch: watch my blog i'll post a link there when i upload it will be sometime today
[03:37] <imbrandon> ( or just subscribe to the rss or that and/or planet ) ;)
[03:38] <imbrandon> ryanakca: fwiw those do look nice i just dont think they will fit edgy as is
[03:38] <imbrandon> crystal clear works much better with the purple imo
[03:39] <ryanakca> imbrandon: hmm...
[03:39] <imbrandon> have a look ... one sec
[03:39] <imbrandon> ryanakca: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss17.png
[03:40] <imbrandon> thats crystal clear with the default edgy theme
[03:41] <ryanakca> nice... where d'you get it? it wasn't defaulted over here...
[03:41] <imbrandon> no the icons arent default i added those, the rest of the theme is default
[03:41] <ryanakca> imbrandon: and how did you get a tree in konversation instead of tabs?
[03:41] <imbrandon> everaldo is where i got the icons
[03:41] <ryanakca> I like it... I'll go grab it off of kde-look
[03:41] <ryanakca> everaldo?
[03:41] <imbrandon> ryanakca: use my nighly konversation builds
[03:42] <ryanakca> imbrandon: link?
[03:42] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/2006/08/22/konversation-nightly-builds-back-online/
[03:42] <imbrandon> then just change the "tabs" to be on the left in the config
[03:43] <ryanakca> kk, ty
[03:44] <imbrandon> also fyi everaldo did the icons for default kde ;)
[03:44] <imbrandon> they are crystal svg
[03:44] <imbrandon> http://www.everaldo.com/crystal.html  < click crystal clear for the ones i have
[03:51] <ryanakca> got them, thanks...
[03:52] <ryanakca> heh... $479 USD for an icon set... crazy... but, he's got to make a living :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> heh you realize how much time it takes to make a full set of 2000+ icons ?
[03:52] <imbrandon> heh
[03:52] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:53] <ryanakca> too long :)
[03:53] <imbrandon> btw ping me or #konversation about bugs in nightly builds not LP obviously ;)
[03:54] <ryanakca> lol, obviously ;)
[03:54] <ryanakca> installing konversation... now I can say goodbye to this nasty x-chat
[03:55] <ryanakca> it was getting annoying wondering... hmmm... is that #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-motu-school... or #ubuntu+1...
[03:58] <freeflying> Hobbsee: amarok-1.4.2 in edgy now?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> freeflying: waiting on mdz/kamion for approving the request.  i've got debs of it though
[03:59] <imbrandon> freeflying: its built but no uvf yet
[03:59] <freeflying> cool :)
[03:59] <freeflying> looking forward  
[03:59] <ryanakca> imbrandon: you're a motu, right?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> freeflying: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/amarok/
[03:59] <imbrandon> yea
[04:00] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yea
[04:00] <imbrandon> lol
[04:00] <Hobbsee> s/comment/question/
[04:00] <ryanakca> can you review eqonomize for me please? I'll get a link...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that was why i hid :P
[04:01] <imbrandon> sure as long i dont have to do it right now
[04:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:01] <ryanakca> lol
[04:01] <imbrandon> i got 3 things compiling since Hobbsee gave me back my cpu and a dvd transcoding
[04:01] <imbrandon> but i would be happy to later this afternoon
[04:01] <ryanakca> lol
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:01] <ryanakca> wow... I can just manage to have 1 thing compiling
[04:01] <ryanakca> I need a new computer
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: he has a better build machine than my laptop :P
[04:02] <imbrandon> heh
[04:02] <imbrandon> i will get better soon too i hope /me eyeballs a dual core intel box
[04:02] <ryanakca> aptitude dist-upgrade slows my machine down to the point that I type faster than the text appears on the screen... and I don't type that fast
[04:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ouch
[04:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe...nice :)
[04:03] <imbrandon> freeflying: ouch my ibook i dont use to compile at all
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: try ssh'ing into a machine on another continent, and then say that :P
[04:03] <imbrandon> too slow 800mhz with 640 mb ram
[04:03] <Hobbsee> shudder
[04:03] <ryanakca> lol
[04:03] <freeflying> for I have not other choice :)
[04:03] <ryanakca> you have more ram than I do
[04:03] <ryanakca> I have 384mb ram
[04:03] <imbrandon> ryanakca: thats my slow ibook
[04:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ask for ssh access to someone elses machine :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> that works
[04:04] <imbrandon> voyager has 2 gigs of ram
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Hi all
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[04:04] <ryanakca> hey DaSkreech 
[04:04] <DaSkreech> raphink: I think I figured out the X issue
[04:04] <imbrandon> and my xbox build cluster has about 4gigs total
[04:04] <freeflying> Hobbsee: how about yours  heh
[04:04] <raphink> DaSkreech: great
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 905/994MB, 104 proc's, 11.18h up
[04:04] <Hobbsee> freeflying: - it's not so bad
[04:04] <DaSkreech> It's Klauncher
[04:04] <Hobbsee> i mean, it's tolerablle.  voyager is fater though
[04:05] <Hobbsee> s/fater/faster/
[04:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: the bigger problem is that it likes overheating
[04:05] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hmmm :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 11 hours up.  wow
[04:05] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: wow... nice :)
[04:05] <Hobbsee> that probably means i've been here for close to that long :P
[04:06] <ryanakca> but then... I bought my computer for 300$... since that's all I could afford...
[04:07] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.17-6-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2933 MHz (5874 bogomips), HD: 44/184GB, RAM: 946/2003MB, 109 proc's, 7.6h up
[04:07] <ryanakca> imbrandon: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2939
[04:07] <imbrandon> k
[04:08] <ryanakca> os[Linux 2.6.17-6-686 i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 997MHz]  mem[Physical : 375MB, 31.5% free]  disk[Total : 186.47GB, 75.90% Free]  video[ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] ]  sound[] 
[04:08] <ryanakca> since when is edgy "Debian testing/unstable"?
[04:08] <imbrandon> ouch i'm using 996mb of ram atm and you only have 384 heh
[04:09] <jjesse> heh
[04:09] <imbrandon> 946 sorry heh
[04:10] <imbrandon> not a bad deal for 300 bux though
[04:10] <imbrandon> i payed 300 for my ibook and its 800mhz ppc with 640mb ram and 30gig hdd
[04:10] <imbrandon> but i wouldent use that to compile, too painfull
[04:10] <imbrandon> heh
[04:11] <ryanakca> imbrandon: 300$ had a 40gb hd and a i810 video card... the 200gb hd and the Radeon 9200SE are additions from my hardware bin
[04:12] <fritsch> Sysinfo for 'todesstern': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1400MHz at 1395 MHz (2793 bogomips), HD: 20/54GB, RAM: 750/755MB, 113 proc's, 2.18h up
[04:12] <ryanakca> 80CAD for a 200gb hard-drive is the best deal I could find :) 
[04:12] <imbrandon> heh personaly i would have kept the i810 over ati anything ( or i would have picked up a nvidia ;P )
[04:12] <fritsch> happy IBM Thinkpad user ;-) since over 3 years
[04:12] <ryanakca> imbrandon: with the i810 I was getting 7fps
[04:13] <ryanakca> on dapper, with the radeon I was up to 300fps
[04:13] <imbrandon> i have a i810 in voyager and i /can/ play fps games with good framerates and i have setup xgl/compiz too that works fine
[04:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:14] <ryanakca> hmm
[04:14] <ryanakca> odd
[04:14] <imbrandon> ati has only ever given me truble , plus intel open sourced the drivers for the iXXX ;)
[04:14] <imbrandon> nvidia is nice when i want a good 3d card though
[04:14] <imbrandon> they always are smooth and easy to config
[04:15] <imbrandon> anyhow l8tr , i'm gonna go get this stuff done or i never will
[04:16] <ryanakca> see yah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: unless i'm building something, of course :P
[04:18] <imbrandon> heh /me shuts off the ssh port
[04:18] <imbrandon> just teasin
[04:19] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure, you can do my merges, and control everything.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> score!
[04:20] <imbrandon> heh give stevenk's machine a workout for the small stuff, i'm sure it needs it 
[04:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i dont know how to update the pbuilder on that.  and it's slower to get all the build deps. but i migth
[04:20] <imbrandon> pbuilder update 
[04:21] <imbrandon> lol
[04:21] <Hobbsee> he's using weird scripts
[04:22] <Hobbsee> i might get him to teach me some more of vi first :P
[04:22] <imbrandon> heh he probably does it the right way instead of edgybuild ( /me rm-rf's it )
[04:22] <Hobbsee> shrug
[04:22] <Hobbsee> feel free to change it, it's your machine
[04:22] <imbrandon> heh i might this afternoon if i have time
[04:23] <imbrandon> i never use it anyhow
[04:23] <Hobbsee> then i cant be blamed if it goes wrong
[04:23] <imbrandon> i always use pbuild-{edgy,edgy-main,dapper}
[04:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:25] <\sh> re
[04:25] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[04:25] <Hobbsee> i would think it would work
[04:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: whats tunepimp3 ?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> where?
[04:25] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: learn vi?
[04:25] <imbrandon> E: Couldn't find package libtunepimp3-dev
[04:25] <imbrandon> W: Unable to locate package libtunepimp3-dev
[04:25] <imbrandon> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[04:25] <imbrandon> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yes.  as opposed to nano.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> right, that's another thing you'll have to backport then
[04:26] <imbrandon> nano > *
[04:26] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: learn emacs...
[04:26] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: maybe not , i might just remove it, whats it for ?
[04:26] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: or if your really picky, http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: gui's half way around the world suck.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: something.  i dont remember.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you built the previous versions of these, remember?
[04:27] <imbrandon> yea tunepimp3 is a new dep
[04:27] <imbrandon> it wasent there before before i only had to backport libvis and excalibur
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ffs.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> i remember why i *dont* usually go near #ubuntu-women!
[04:28] <imbrandon> heh y?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> i remember why i *dont* usually disclose my gender.
[04:28] <imbrandon> bah set them right , dont let idiots discourge you
[04:28] <imbrandon> if you wont no one will
[04:29] <imbrandon> rember they are likely 12 year olds that dont know better ( or have a 12 year olds mind )
[04:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just did.  i dont think whoever it is liked it
[04:29] <Hobbsee> hmm...maybe i read them wrong.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> [00:26]  <lipstick> any girls in?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:27]  <Hobbsee> lipstick: yes, why?
[04:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: here... I'll give you a link to my ~/.vimrc
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:27]  <lipstick> Hobbsee, you female?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:27]  <Hobbsee> lipstick: yes.  if you're about to hit on me, give up, it wont work.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:28]  <lipstick> Hobbsee, hit on a girl through the internet, wtf
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:28]  <Hobbsee> lipstick: what, you're not familar with the term "to hit on a girl"?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> Hobbsee, I wanted to tell you a joke
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> but never mind
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> I am
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> through the internet, you need help
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> or wait let me grab your boobs :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> [00:29]  <lipstick> wtf
[04:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ffs.  indeed.
[04:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/.vimrc
[04:30] <Hobbsee> sorry for the incredibly long paste.
[04:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: err, someone forgot his medication
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: so it seems.
[04:31] <seaLne> any joke required to be told to a woman wasn't going to be good
[04:31] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I have bad habid to make fun misleading my gender
[04:31] <Tm_T> seaLne: untrue in 0,1 % of cases or so ;)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> [00:31]  <lipstick> Hobbsee, let me guess, you married?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> [00:31]  <Hobbsee> lipstick: that's none of your concern.  leave me alone.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> [00:31]  <lipstick> sure
[04:32] <Hobbsee> it gets better lol...
[04:32] <Tm_T> =)
[04:32] <ryanakca> lol
[04:32] <ryanakca> it can get better?
[04:32] <seaLne> is this semi live?
[04:32] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea
[04:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah, it's live.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, if he tries much more, i'll just fully rip him apart
[04:33] <seaLne> ooh k3b 0.12.17
[04:33] <\sh> "/ignore <insert your fav annoying idiot here> all" works sometimes too good ,-)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> i've done it before, i'll do it again.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> although the last guy i did it to was in person.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> he was *very* red by the time i'd finished :D
[04:34] <\sh> don't start with kubuntu devs .. and not with kde devs, too
[04:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: i suspect it was just a user.
[04:35] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: might have been better to leave the build dep of automake1.9 and change the cvs.sh to loog for the correct version fwiw that how we did other pkgs ( and older amaroks )
[04:35] <Hobbsee> \sh: besides, #ubuntu-women is common for such things, i suspect.   which is why i tend not to go there.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ahhh...feel free to change it
[04:35] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: kick doesn't help?
[04:36] <Tm_T> kick&ban <3
[04:36] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: no biggie i was just noting for future
[04:36] <imbrandon> anyhow food time while this transcodes and compiles
[04:36] <imbrandon> bbiab
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's one of the few places i dont have ops
[04:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you enjoying this?  :P
[04:39] <imbrandon> heh eating while lurking
[04:39] <imbrandon> lol
[04:40] <Hobbsee> oh FFS!!!!!!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> right, change that to wanting to throw this idiot off a cliff.
[04:43] <ryanakca> lol, why off a cliff? that's not painful enough :P
[04:44] <fritsch> ryanakca: it depends where he "crashes" in
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: indeed.  did i forget that i'd hang draw and quarter him afterwards?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> http://rafb.net/paste/results/eHv5TU23.html is the full log
[04:49] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: did you get that link to my .vimrc and to the vi/vim tutorial?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, didnt look though
[04:49] <Hobbsee> it's in my logs 
[04:50] <ryanakca> lol
[04:50] <ryanakca> got to love logs
[04:50] <ryanakca> I've got a pile of them sitting around... no clue why I keep them
[04:50] <imbrandon> lol
[04:50] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: shame
[04:50] <fritsch> what a log :-) oh my god
[04:51] <Hobbsee> fritsch: you telling me that's not normal?  :P
[04:51] <Hobbsee> well, up to the rape comments, at least
[04:51] <Tm_T> :p
[04:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: it is not normal for me, i don` t talk to this kind of rude people
[04:51] <fritsch> Hobbsee: there is totall nothing funny about rape
[04:52] <Hobbsee> exactly
[04:53] <Hobbsee> well now i'm *really* not going to be able to concentrate on my assignment.  or sleep, for that matter.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> bastard.
[04:53] <ryanakca> heh... interesting... got to love k-lines
[04:53] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, imbrandon thought of the quicker way - i kinda went into shock over what was happening
[04:53] <imbrandon> ;P
[04:53] <ryanakca> :)
[04:54] <ryanakca> brb, switching to imbrandon's konversation :)
[04:54] <imbrandon> heh "/stats p" rocks
[04:54] <Hobbsee> true that
[04:55] <ryanakca> imbrandon: except that half the time you have to go threw 4 ircops before you get a response... sleeping in ;)
[04:55] <ryanakca> imbrandon: start up konversation, automaticly, sigsev :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i have ops in most channels - its' usually not a problem
[04:55] <imbrandon> heh edgy ? wow me and about 10 others using it right now
[04:55] <ryanakca> and another, and yet another...
[04:55] <ryanakca> yep, edgy
[04:55] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yea 90% of the time i have ops in *ubuntu*
[04:56] <imbrandon> so no biggie
[04:56] <imbrandon> and the other 10% of the time there is staff in the ircop team chan ;)
[04:56] <seaLne> Riddell: think we'll get a uvfe for k3b?
[04:56] <imbrandon> heh
[04:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: at least let me +i him again before you do that :P
[04:57] <imbrandon> +i ?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> invite
[04:57] <Riddell> seaLne: so long as there's no major new features
[04:57] <imbrandon> i wasent sure if he was awake ;)
[04:57] <Riddell> seaLne: what's the release schedule like?
[04:57] <seaLne> 0.12.17 today
[04:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why wouldnt he be?  he just responded
[04:58] <ryanakca> heh, I was busy pastebining... didn't notice :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: hehe, fair enough.  did you see your quit message?
[04:59] <Tm_T> =)
[05:01] <imbrandon> Riddell: didnt you already have the libvisual-0.4 and excalibur somewhere for dapper ?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: on kubuntu.org probably
[05:02] <Riddell> in kubuntu.org/packages I had whatever amarok needed at the time
[05:02] <imbrandon> not in http://www.kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/pool-dapper/
[05:02] <imbrandon> unless i missing something
[05:02] <Riddell> only older versions needed it
[05:02] <seaLne> is -latetst actually?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> seaLne: not for edgy (i dont think)
[05:02] <imbrandon> seaLne: for dapper it is 1.4.1 in -latest
[05:03] <imbrandon> Riddell: only older version ?
[05:03] <danimo> aloah
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hey danimo 
[05:03] <imbrandon> ahh ok nvm
[05:03] <danimo> Hobbsee: how are the new packages ?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> danimo: they are alive
[05:04] <danimo> Hobbsee: url?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> danimo: same as before
[05:04] <Hobbsee> on buntudot/people/~hobbsee/amarok
[05:06] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yeah
[05:07] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: <sarcasm>you sure are harmless</sarcasm>
[05:07] <ryanakca> lol
[05:07] <ryanakca> imbrandon: http://pastebin.ca/146344
[05:08] <Tm_T> Hobbsee could not harm a fly!
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: well, if i ever met up with that other guy in a dark alleyway, i sure *wouldnt* be harmless.  anything else though, and i'm pretty harmless :P
[05:08] <Tm_T> I mean, that harmless
[05:08] <ryanakca> lol
[05:09] <ryanakca> imbrandon: that's the backtrace from the sigsev
[05:14] <imbrandon> ryanakca: ok
[05:16] <ryanakca> hmmm... any reason why vt1-5 are disabled/nonexistant?
[05:17] <seaLne> not just me then
[05:17] <fdoving> anyone buildt amarok 1.4.2 yet? 
[05:17] <fdoving> buildt/packaged.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> fdoving: for edgy, yes
[05:17] <Hobbsee> fdoving: dapper is being done sometime soonish, i think
[05:18] <imbrandon> yea i'm working on dapper atm 
[05:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i was thinking edgy. told danimo i'd do it if it wasn't done by the time i got home from work today :)
[05:18] <imbrandon> i'll stick both online in a few minutes
[05:18] <ryanakca> hmmm... I'm soundless as well... .crim.sun and someone else where trying to figure it out... it's weird...
[05:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: konversation is using a *lot* of cpu and memory - any ide awhy?
[05:20] <imbrandon> its in full debug
[05:20] <ryanakca> hmmm... anybody know if you can build a "compiling and building farm"? Kindof like for rendering, you hook up 5-6 computers... same thing for packaging?
[05:21] <ryanakca> I have 2 P2 64mb ram computers laying around in my storage room... collecting dust...
[05:21] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yes i ahve 8 xboxes and 2 celeron 2.9 building
[05:21] <danimo> Hobbsee: hmm, still no daap or fs
[05:21] <Hobbsee> danimo: true that
[05:21] <Hobbsee>  4540 sarah     25   0  100m  45m  16m R 94.6  4.6  33:12.98 konversati
[05:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[05:22] <danimo> Hobbsee: what did you change then?
[05:22] <imbrandon> danimo: after Hobbsee gets the uvf i'll look at sticking dapp and such in
[05:22] <imbrandon> if its not in universe
[05:22] <danimo> imbrandon: huh? daap does not need dependencies nor open any ports
[05:22] <Hobbsee> danimo: a few of the depends, etc - got rid of some of the erros
[05:23] <danimo> Hobbsee: hmm?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> danimo: my changes
[05:24] <danimo> ok, I was wrong, daap depends on ruby
[05:24] <danimo> but that's in main, isn't it?
[05:24] <Riddell> ruby is yes
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ruby's already a build-dep, iirc
[05:24] <Riddell> it's jut broken
[05:24] <danimo> broken?
[05:25] <Riddell> on powerpc, it doesn't compiole
[05:25] <Riddell> compile
[05:25] <Riddell> but that'll get fixed, one day
[05:25] <danimo> Riddell: daap specifically?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hehe.  one day
[05:28] <Riddell> danimo: I don't see it at all
[05:28] <Riddell> what's the package nme?
[05:28] <Riddell> name?
[05:28] <danimo> Riddell: no specific package
[05:29] <danimo> Riddell: the daap mediadevice is a selfcontained directory in amarok
[05:29] <Riddell> well what does it depend upon?  what's the upstream?
[05:30] <danimo> Riddell: only on ruby
[05:30] <Riddell> well, that's fine then, do it
[05:31] <danimo> Riddell: I just need to add the files to amarok.install, right?
[05:31] <Riddell> danimo: yep
[05:31] <Riddell> daap is new in this amarok so I've not seen it at all
[05:31] <danimo> Riddell: I hate the install file
[05:31] <danimo> Riddell: well, and pc also has no external deps afaict
[05:37] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:38] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:38] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:44] <Riddell> danimo: what's the status of the amarok package?  apparantly hobbsee sent a UVF exception
[05:47] (danimo/#kubuntu-devel) Riddell: recompiling
[05:47] (imbrandon/#kubuntu-devel) hehe its just where she sticks stuff
[05:47] (imbrandon/#kubuntu-devel) so we can all get it while she sleeps
[05:48] (Riddell/#kubuntu-devel) ok, it's not new, I just havn't noticed it before
[05:48] (imbrandon/#kubuntu-devel) right
[05:48] (Riddell/#kubuntu-devel) danimo: you're adding daap to hobbsee's package?
[05:48] <danimo> Riddell: aye
[05:48] <Riddell> cool
[05:48] <danimo> Riddell: I will push it to revu, since I'm not a MOTU. can you push it from there?
[05:48] <Riddell> danimo: yes, give me a ping when you do
[05:49] <danimo> sure
[05:49] <imbrandon> danimo: if you dont mind ping me too so i can rebuild the dapper one
[05:49] <danimo> oki
[06:03] <releaselogger> re
[06:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: did you see my link for the kds with the o2 and bg color changes ?
[06:11] <seaLne> something has started automounting cds?
[06:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[06:11] <Riddell> seaLne: shouldn't do
[06:11] <imbrandon> Riddell: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/temp/
[06:11] <seaLne> Riddell: its causing havoc with k3b
[06:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: thanks
[06:12] <seaLne> no popup media thingy and i definitly never told anything to automatically mount stuff as i rarely read cds on this machine only right
[06:13] <Riddell> that could well be sime's patches at work
[06:13] <imbrandon> hrm it shouldent automount anything
[06:14] <seaLne> when were they yesterday? i restarted this morning after fully updating
[06:14] <imbrandon> seaLne: yea the first round was in before yesterday
[06:15] <imbrandon> hrm the popup still happens here but i only have a dvd to put in and test
[06:15] <imbrandon> it made an icon but not mounted
[06:15] <seaLne> something was even "mounting" erased cdrw
[06:15] <imbrandon> wow
[06:16] <imbrandon> is there a way to reset that dialog and try it again
[06:16] <seaLne> erased cdrw pushed tray back in and it showed up mounted altho you couldn't do anything
[06:16] <imbrandon> or can you stick a blank cd in Riddell
[06:16] <Riddell> I have no CDs here
[06:16] <imbrandon> hrm all i have is this dvd superman movie i use to test libdvdcss 
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh
[06:17] <imbrandon> but it does make the popup
[06:17] <imbrandon> color ?
[06:17] <imbrandon> heh i guess that what i get for sending the patch to the UK ;)
[06:17] <imbrandon> hehe just teasin
[06:18] <imbrandon> ohh thats right 
[06:18] <imbrandon> heh
[06:18] <imbrandon> normaly your in scottland though right ?
[06:18] <seaLne> you don't stop being non-us despite being in a diff country tho :)
[06:19] <imbrandon> heh Riddell isnt a US-ite ;)
[06:19] <imbrandon> tbh i'm not sure where he is , just somewhere near UK afaik ( not atm but normaly )
[06:20] <seaLne> wow you really are american :P
[06:20] <DaSkreech> bddebian: hi
[06:20] <imbrandon> lol what makes you say that 
[06:20] <imbrandon> heh
[06:20] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[06:20] <seaLne> scotland is part of the uk
[06:21] <Riddell> seaLne, imbrandon: new kubuntu-default-settings uploaded
[06:21] <Riddell> it's the classy part
[06:21] <imbrandon> yea i know but i'm not totaly sure he is in scottland heh
[06:21] <seaLne> just the famous american lack of knowledge of countries :)
[06:21] <imbrandon> heh
[06:21] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:22] <imbrandon> i need to come see / move to EU somewhere though sometime heh
[06:23] <imbrandon> i've only been to mexico and thiland outside the US so far
[06:23] <imbrandon> thailand*
[06:24] <bddebian> imbrandon: I hear Iran is nice this time of year :-)
[06:25] <imbrandon> hahahahah
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Israel! :)
[06:29] <Tm_T> imbrandon: you should come to finland in january
[06:30] <Tm_T> it's light and warm and sunny in winter ;)
[06:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:03] <fdoving> including the k3b-changelog into the changelog for the package? hum.. why? 
[07:03] <seaLne> it was quite short
[07:04] <seaLne> i mean the change between versions
[07:04] <imbrandon> http://www.cheesenibbles.com/
[07:06] <imbrandon> mez was too bored with that one
[07:10] <ryanakca> imbrandon: figured out konversation?
[07:10] <nixternal> konversation ownz ;)
[07:11] <imbrandon> no honestly , i cant see a problem with it at all 
[07:11] <imbrandon> nixternal:  is running it to ryanakca
[07:11] <imbrandon> s/to/also
[07:11] <nixternal> or too
[07:11] <imbrandon> blah
[07:11] <nixternal> but who really cares, since we come from the ghettos ;)
[07:11] <ryanakca> hmmm... I'll uninstall and reinstall
[07:11] <imbrandon> if you uninstall --purge
[07:11] <imbrandon> just to make sure
[07:12] <imbrandon> i got to run to the store and stuff , i'll be back in ~30min
[07:12] <nixternal> i learned a new one with konversation as well...copy all your scripts to ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts    as updating konvo blows the old /scripts dir aways
[07:12] <ryanakca> kk, see yah... if it doesn't work, I'll hunt it down in #konversation
[07:12] <nixternal> it will work, don't worry ;)
[07:13] <ryanakca> lol
[07:13] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you can ping me again also when i get back
[07:13] <nixternal> im sick of cookies ;)
[07:13] <ryanakca> fine then... 
[07:13] <imbrandon> or that works too , just be sure to let sho know where you got the deb from so he knows what he's working with
[07:13] <ryanakca> kk
[07:13] <imbrandon> either way
[07:15] <ryanakca> happy?
[07:19] <ryanakca> same problem :(
[07:32] <danimo> imbrandon: Do I have to do any magic to sign my package?
[07:32] <danimo> imbrandon: like importing my key into apt?
[07:32] <Riddell> danimo: no, it just uses gpg
[07:32] <Riddell> danimo: of course revu needs to know about your key
[07:33] <danimo> Riddell: it does
[07:33] <Riddell> sorted
[07:33] <ryanakca> danimo: debuild -S -sa
[07:33] <Riddell> oh yes, good point
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea it will use gpg with debuild -S -sa
[07:33] <danimo> won't it rebuild?
[07:33] <danimo> I mean the actual build went fine
[07:33] <ryanakca> danimo: it will remake the source package
[07:33] <imbrandon> nah it will "fack" buld it and prepare it as a source package
[07:33] <nixternal> also with the gpg keys and packaging..i have had issues while running gpg-agent and pinentry
[07:34] <imbrandon> fake*
[07:34] <ryanakca> danimo: you then use "sudo pbuilder build package-version.dsc" to compile - build it...
[07:34] <nixternal> when you do the -S it will crash out with the gpg signing saying it didn't receive the right info about the secret key
[07:34] <imbrandon> no sudo
[07:34] <imbrandon> ryanakca: you shouldent need sudo
[07:34] <Riddell> danimo: debuild -S  is for source package, it doesn't re-compile
[07:34] <Riddell> danimo: and -sa makes it include the .orig in the .changes file which is used to upload
[07:35] <ryanakca> imbrandon: it runs in /var/cache/pbuilder/
[07:35] <Riddell> imbrandon: no sudo for pbuilder?
[07:35] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yes i know
[07:35] <ryanakca> imbrandon: at least that was the way it was default setup in dapper
[07:35] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea i NEVER use sudo for pbuilder
[07:35] <ryanakca> imbrandon: well, no sudo, and you get "permission denied"
[07:35] <imbrandon> ryanakca: thats becouse you ran sudo pbuilder create
[07:35] <imbrandon> initialy
[07:35] <nixternal> yup
[07:35] <nixternal> as i did as well
[07:36] <imbrandon> if you ran pbuilder create without sudo you wouldent need it later
[07:36] <ryanakca> you can't access /var/cache/pbuilder, because it's root, isn't it?
[07:36] <imbrandon> ryanakca: sure you can if you use it the first time without it
[07:36] <imbrandon> watch
[07:36] <ryanakca> imbrandon: so I can pretty much, just go "sudo chown ryan /var/cache/pbuilder" and no longer need sudo? 
[07:36] <imbrandon> pbuilder-buildpackage/i386 $Id: pbuilder-buildpackage-funcs,v 1.31 2006/05/30 23:45:45 dancer Exp $
[07:36] <imbrandon> $Id: pbuilder-buildpackage,v 1.126 2006/06/10 15:09:52 dancer Exp $
[07:36] <imbrandon> Current time: Wed Aug 23 12:36:22 CDT 2006
[07:36] <imbrandon> pbuilder-time-stamp: 1156354582
[07:36] <imbrandon> Building the build Environment
[07:36] <imbrandon>  -> extracting base tarball [/var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/base.tgz] 
[07:36] <imbrandon> ryanakca: yes
[07:37] <ryanakca> good... save me... 5 letters :)
[07:37] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~/files/devel/amarok$ pbuilder-dapper build amarok_1.4.2-0ubuntu2.dsc
[07:37] <imbrandon> W: /usr/share/pbuilder/pbuilderrc does not exist
[07:37] <imbrandon> W: /etc/pbuilderrc does not exist
[07:37] <imbrandon> I: using fakeroot in build.
[07:37] <imbrandon> pbuilder-buildpackage/i386 $Id: pbuilder-buildpackage-funcs,v 1.31 2006/05/30 23:45:45 dancer Exp $
[07:37] <nixternal> 4 and a space
[07:37] <imbrandon> $Id: pbuilder-buildpackage,v 1.126 2006/06/10 15:09:52 dancer Exp $
[07:37] <imbrandon> make sure you have fakeroot installed ;)
[07:38] <imbrandon> pbuilder and debuild use fakeroot if they are installed
[07:39] <ryanakca> chown didn't work... how do you delete it?
[07:39] <imbrandon> ryanakca: and you probably wanna set the gourp too not just the user
[07:40] <ryanakca> delete it as in delete pbuilder and create a new one...
[07:40] <imbrandon> rm-rf it and pbuilder create again works but you'll have to redo all the configs etc, becomes a pita
[07:40] <imbrandon> ryanakca: setup a new one first
[07:40] <imbrandon> to test it
[07:41] <imbrandon> ( good to have an edgy one anyhow )
[07:41] <imbrandon> without sudo
[07:41] <imbrandon> once you got that working then rm -rf the old one
[07:41] <imbrandon> i have dapper,edgy,edgy-main all setup
[07:42] <ryanakca> I have an edgy... no dapper
[07:42] <ryanakca> how do you get more than one setup?
[07:42] <imbrandon> fyi you can have it store the stuff in your ~/pbuilder too thats how the wiki tells you anyhow
[07:42] <imbrandon> pbuilder == personal builder , no root needed
[07:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:43] <imbrandon> ryanakca: hold on lmee find the wiki page
[07:43] <imbrandon> lemme*
[07:43] <ryanakca> well well... if it can store in ~/pbuilder, save me the trouble of looking for it... wiki/PbuilderHowto is what I found... not very detailed though :(
[07:44] <ryanakca> or wait... they updated it... nice... 
[07:44] <imbrandon> erm they say use sudo too
[07:44] <ryanakca> imbrandon: sorry, bbiab... I'm going to go get myself a kayak
[07:44] <imbrandon> but thats not right
[07:44] <imbrandon> ok later
[07:45] <ryanakca> imbrandon: feel like editing it? kk, see you in an hour or so
[07:47] <imbrandon> danimo: got the amarok stuff uploaded ?
[07:47] <danimo> imbrandon: any minutee
[07:47] <imbrandon> hehe okies just wondering ;)
[07:47] <danimo> imbrandon: RSN :)
[07:48] <imbrandon> rsn ?
[07:48] <imbrandon> heh
[07:48] <danimo> ryanakca: real soon now
[07:48] <danimo> err
[07:48] <danimo> imbrandon: ^^^
[07:48] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[07:48] <imbrandon> hrm after i fixed the deps hobbsee's still failed on dapper ;(
[07:49] <imbrandon> apachelogger: wow just whom i wanted to see
[07:49] <imbrandon> heh
[07:49] <apachelogger> :| battery still doesn't work properly
[07:50] <danimo> imbrandon: dputting now
[07:50] <danimo> imbrandon: (revu)
[07:50] <imbrandon> danimo: cool ok
[07:50] <danimo> imbrandon: what changes do I put? the sources or the i386 one?
[07:50] <imbrandon> apachelogger: any clue what this is , seems to build on edgy but dapper its failing with http://pastebin.ca/146522
[07:50] <danimo> imbrandon: I just put the sources one
[07:50] <imbrandon> sources
[07:50] <imbrandon> yup
[07:50] <danimo> ok, great
[07:51] <apachelogger> imbrandon: libhal-dev is probably in deps?
[07:51] <imbrandon> hrm i think one sec
[07:52] <imbrandon> erm nope
[07:52] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>=5), quilt, bzip2, automake1.7, libtool,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  kdelibs4-dev, kdemultimedia-dev, kdebase-dev,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  libgstreamer0.10-dev, libxine-dev, libtunepimp3-dev,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  libtag1-dev (>> 1.4), libsqlite3-dev,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  libmysqlclient15-dev, libpq-dev,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  libsdl1.2-dev, libvisual-0.4-dev,
[07:52] <imbrandon>  libifp-dev, libusb-dev, libgpod-dev, ruby
[07:52] <imbrandon> guess that would be needed huh
[07:53] <apachelogger> yup
[07:53] <imbrandon> heh
[07:53] <apachelogger> though I wonder whether it's not failing on edgy
[07:53] <apachelogger> probably another pacakge already depends on
[07:53] <apachelogger> imbrandon: and remove gstreamer
[07:53] <apachelogger> it's not needed
[07:54] <imbrandon> yea we took out gstreamer support
[07:54] <imbrandon> ok Riddell once that hits revu from danimo i got a few more cahnges it looks like
[07:54] <imbrandon> changes*
[07:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: we're about to turn off internet for the evening so I'll get it tomorrow
[07:55] <imbrandon> ok 
[07:55] <imbrandon> i'll have it all ready by then
[07:55] <jjesse> nooo!!!! don't turn off the internet :(
[07:55] <imbrandon> lol
[07:56] <jjesse> does it fit on a floppy disk still?
[07:56] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install internet2.0
[07:56] <imbrandon> dvd+r
[07:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:56] <jjesse> ah so its gotten bigger since i last downloaded it
[07:56] <danimo> jjesse: yes, if you don't download the pr0n
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[07:57] <imbrandon> yea without the pr0n dep its only 1.2k
[07:57] <imbrandon> err 1.2mb
[07:57] <imbrandon> staticly links pr0n lib though makes internet2.0 only fit a dvd+r
[07:58] <imbrandon> linked*
[07:59] <danimo> imbrandon: and really DAAP works :)
[07:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:59] <Riddell> danimo: what does it do?
[07:59] <imbrandon> lets you connect to DAPP music sources
[07:59] <imbrandon> like iTunes 
[07:59] <imbrandon> or LimeWire
[07:59] <imbrandon> over a network
[07:59] <apachelogger> or banshee ;-)
[07:59] <apachelogger> or internet2.0 :P
[07:59] <imbrandon> heh
[08:00] <danimo> Riddell: you can listen to music from iTunes or Banshee
[08:00] <danimo> Riddell: (and some other clients)
[08:00] <imbrandon> s/DAPP/DAAP
[08:00] <Riddell> so long as they're not sending weird mp4 format or something
[08:00] <imbrandon> dosent matter afaik
[08:00] <danimo> Riddell: well, no, it's just a transport protocol
[08:00] <danimo> Riddell: and sharing
[08:00] <apachelogger> it's going through the amarok proxy
[08:00] <imbrandon> its kinda like samba or nfs for music
[08:00] <danimo> Riddell: you won't be able to play AAC files without the respective libs of course
[08:01] <apachelogger> danimo: I guess you are
[08:01] <apachelogger> well
[08:01] <danimo> apachelogger: what?
[08:01] <danimo> apachelogger: congrats to the release btw
[08:01] <apachelogger> would need trying, I'm not familiar with the DAAP protocol
[08:01] <danimo> apachelogger: same here
[08:01] <apachelogger> danimo: thx, too me some time ;-)
[08:01] <danimo> ubuntu does not ship a DAAP server
[08:01] <apachelogger> it does
[08:01] <apachelogger> oh
[08:02] <danimo> really?
[08:02] <apachelogger> yeah
[08:02] <apachelogger> it does 
[08:02] <danimo> how is it called?
[08:02] <apachelogger> banshee-daap
[08:02] <imbrandon> it does ?
[08:02] <imbrandon> ohh yea
[08:02] <danimo> apachelogger: yeah, but that needs banshee
[08:02] <apachelogger> ture
[08:02] <apachelogger> *true
[08:02] <danimo> apachelogger: and banshee won't install
[08:02] <apachelogger> though I only know one real daap server
[08:02] <imbrandon> there are other that are cmd line
[08:02] <danimo> no matter what I tried
[08:02] <danimo> the mono stuff seems to be completely broken
[08:02] <apachelogger> hehe, needed to get activate some update repos - I have a almost not up-out-dated system ;-)
[08:03] <imbrandon> danimo: monodevelop works here havent tried anything else
[08:03] <apachelogger> danimo: well, the mono aps have some dep problems
[08:03] <apachelogger> noticed this for inofficial ifolder build
[08:03] <apachelogger> anyway
[08:03] <imbrandon> ohh ifolder /me drools
[08:03] <danimo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:03] <danimo>   banshee: Depends: libnautilus-burn3 but it is not installable
[08:03] <imbrandon> lol
[08:03] <apachelogger> now I think DAAP is not sending the music as codec
[08:03] <danimo> E: Broken packages
[08:03] <danimo> apachelogger: but?
[08:03] <apachelogger> else I wouldn't see a reason why to throw it through amarok proxy
[08:03] <apachelogger> danimo: no idea ;-)
[08:04] <apachelogger> something strange of course :P
[08:04] <danimo> apachelogger: because the world does not turn around amarok
[08:04] <apachelogger> after all it's a apple development
[08:04] <danimo> apachelogger: and DAAP is iTunes originally
[08:04] <apachelogger> yeah, but I don't think apple would be that lame
[08:04] <imbrandon> Digital Audio Access Proto
[08:04] <apachelogger> but, as I said - no clue about daap :P
[08:05] <danimo> apachelogger: I bet it has some fancy DRM functionality and stuff
[08:05] <danimo> all optional of course
[08:05] <danimo> just in case ;)
[08:05] <apachelogger> well, no - and yes
[08:05] <Riddell> so the server decodes and DAAP sends it as what?
[08:05] <apachelogger> as you said it's made for itunes
[08:06] <apachelogger> therefore DRM would be processed by itunes
[08:06] <apachelogger> so daap wouldn't need a DRM functionality IMHO
[08:06] <imbrandon> the drm is handels by the DAAP server
[08:06] <imbrandon> Riddell: i THink its a stream on demand type thing
[08:06] <apachelogger> gotta point that out ^^
[08:06] <danimo> imbrandon: I uploaded sucessfully, but it doesn't show up at the webinterface
[08:07] <imbrandon> danimo: it takes a few for revu to process it
[08:07] <danimo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Access_Protocol
[08:07] <imbrandon> Riddell: i have iTunes on my laptop i'll enable the daap server in it and stream some protected content and try it tonight
[08:07] <danimo> modified HTTP protocol
[08:07] <danimo> and it announces itself through zeroconf
[08:08] <Riddell> ok, internet going, bye all
[08:08] <danimo> which is why it would be fairly difficult to set it up for ubuntu if amarok contained a server
[08:08] <danimo> bye Riddell
[08:08] <imbrandon> they dont list LimeWire / FrostWire as DAAP clients too but they are also
[08:08] <imbrandon> bye Riddell
[08:08] <Riddell> danimo: we have zeroconf, you just need to tick the tickbox
[08:09] <apachelogger> ah, well
[08:09] <danimo> Riddell: yeah, and that's the point
[08:09] <danimo> Riddell: it's zeroconf for a reason
[08:09] <apachelogger> either server was broken or zeroconf on dapper is dead
[08:09] <danimo> Riddell: and where is the tickbox to tick?
[08:09] <Riddell> danimo: it'll be on by default in edgy+1
[08:09] <Riddell> danimo: in the zeroconf kcontrol modue
[08:09] <Riddell> module
[08:09] <danimo> ok
[08:09] <Riddell> danimo: edgy only, not dapper
[08:09] <apachelogger> anyway, zeroconf on kubuntu actually is zero conf ^^
[08:10] <apachelogger> can't say that about suse
[08:10] <danimo> Riddell: will this be the time that cups' auto announce will be reenabled, too?
[08:10] <danimo> (afaik cups can also use zeroconf in more recent versions)
[08:10] <imbrandon> cups needs to die a painfull death and be reborn
[08:10] <Riddell> danimo: yes (not final at all though)
[08:11] <Riddell> anyway, I'm off
[08:11] <danimo> imbrandon: you obviously never suffered through unix lpd
[08:11] <imbrandon> gnight Riddell
[08:11] <apachelogger> salut Riddell
[08:11] <imbrandon> danimo: i print very very little 
[08:11] <danimo> imbrandon: see? :)
[08:11] <danimo> imbrandon: yes I gree it's not the greatest piece of software
[08:11] <danimo> but it has evolved
[08:11] <apachelogger> digital paper is lot cheaper
[08:12] <imbrandon> onyl time i print something is if i have to physicly sign and fax it
[08:12] <imbrandon> heh
[08:12] <danimo> apachelogger: if you write your diploma thesis or your first 450 pages book I'll remind you :)
[08:12] <danimo> apachelogger: because you _do_ want to print that stuff
[08:13] <danimo> imbrandon: how long does revu preprocessing usually take?
[08:13] <imbrandon> no way i would ever want to print a 450 page book, and then have to worry about changes
[08:13] <apachelogger> danimo: guess not :P
[08:13] <imbrandon> danimo: ~15 minutes
[08:13] <danimo> ok
[08:14] <danimo> imbrandon: well, if you write your first Kubuntu book you will have to print each and every page
[08:14] <danimo> and not only once
[08:14] <imbrandon> ajmitch: can you check on the amarok upload and make sure its not stuck in reject or soemthing please
[08:15] <imbrandon> danimo: print to pdf ;)
[08:16] <imbrandon> hrm ajmitch its probably asleep the more i think about it , not his time of day
[08:16] <danimo> imbrandon: no, really, reading text on screen and paper is different reading expiriences
[08:16] <imbrandon> danimo: maybe for some but i grew up in a digital world
[08:16] <danimo> imbrandon: so did I
[08:17] <danimo> imbrandon: and I didn't belive it before :)
[08:18] <imbrandon> trust me i've done my share of reading books sometimes that the only way to get them but i'd personal MUCH rather a pdf on my laptop
[08:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:18] <danimo> imbrandon: yeah, but you don't have to do errorchecking on books that you read online :)
[08:18] <danimo> imbrandon: plus pdf annotation support sucks (or rather: is non-exsistent)
[08:19] <imbrandon> hrm it should be there by now
[08:19] <imbrandon> you sure you key is in the keyring ?
[08:22] <imbrandon> hrm do you have ftp somewhere danimo or would you liek me to set you up an account on buntudot.org/people/~danimo revu seems broke atm and i cant raise any admins
[08:22] <danimo> imbrandon: no prob
[08:22] <imbrandon> so you have somewhere to upload ?
[08:24] <danimo> imbrandon: sure, plenty of machines :)
[08:25] <danimo> imbrandon: http://developer.kde.org/~danimo/kubuntu/amarok
[08:25] <imbrandon> hehe okie , yea just poke it somewhere else if you dont mind so i can grab it and make a few last changes
[08:25] <imbrandon> ahh done
[08:25] <imbrandon> your fast ;)
[08:25] <danimo> imbrandon: nah, still uploading
[08:25] <danimo> imbrandon: 7 mins
[08:25] <imbrandon> kk poke me when tis done ;)
[08:26] <danimo> err, even more, I accidentally also uploaded the deb
[08:26] <danimo> imbrandon: ok
[08:36] <danimo> imbrandon: notify
[08:36] <danimo> imbrandon: just not the source file
[08:36] <danimo> imbrandon: but you only need the diff, right?
[08:38] <imbrandon> i just need the orig.tar .dsc. and .diff.gz
[08:39] <imbrandon> erm i gues just the diff.gz and .dsc
[08:39] <imbrandon> becouse i have the orig obviously 
[08:39] <imbrandon> heh
[08:39] <danimo> imbrandon: right :)
[08:39] <danimo> imbrandon: so is it ok for you?
[08:40] <imbrandon> yup
[08:40] <imbrandon> grabbing now
[08:42] <imbrandon> got it thanks
[08:42] <imbrandon> you can delete it or whatever
[08:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:42] <danimo> imbrandon: it's ok, I passed it on to the amarok channel
[08:42] <danimo> imbrandon: not my bandwith anyway :)
[08:43] <imbrandon> heh well it will need a bit of changes for dapper ( and edgy optimaly ) 
[08:43] <imbrandon> thats why i'm rebuilding it yet one more time
[08:43] <danimo> imbrandon: what do you plan?
[08:43] <imbrandon> but i'll stick it in a my repo too for edgy / dapper while we awate the uvf ;)
[08:44] <imbrandon> well libhal-dev is missing dep and .... shit
[08:44] <imbrandon> what else waas it
[08:44] <danimo> imbrandon: libmtp
[08:44] <imbrandon> whats that ?
[08:44] <danimo> imbrandon: support for mtp devices
[08:44] <imbrandon> is it in main
[08:44] <imbrandon> what package
[08:44] <imbrandon> provides it
[08:44] <danimo> imbrandon: libmtp
[08:45] <imbrandon> !info libmtp edgy
[08:45] <ubotu> Package libmtp does not exist in edgy
[08:45] <danimo> imbrandon: it's not in edgy
[08:45] <danimo> that's the point
[08:45] <danimo> it's only in the debian mentors repo
[08:45] <danimo> imbrandon: but it's quite important
[08:45] <imbrandon> ahh then no go , heh it would have to be packaged then have a main inclusion rep
[08:46] <imbrandon> wth is a mtp device anyhow ?
[08:46] <danimo> imbrandon: since a lot of people have audio players that only does mtp
[08:46] <imbrandon> heh
[08:46] <danimo> imbrandon: some microsoft protocol
[08:47] <imbrandon> ahh well let me fix this up for edgy proper and dapper then i'll look at adding that for my personal repo since we cant put it in proper
[08:47] <danimo> imbrandon: inclusion in main would be awesome
[08:47] <danimo> imbrandon: but a recommendation and the plugin put into universe with the lib is ok
[08:49] <imbrandon> ouch you uped the version
[08:49] <imbrandon> hopefully no one in #amarok will install it
[08:49] <danimo> imbrandon: the package version? sure I did
[08:49] <imbrandon> that will botch it when it hits edgy proper or dapper backports or my repo
[08:49] <danimo> why not?
[08:49] <danimo> grml, ok
[08:50] <danimo> imbrandon: can't you just increment it by some more version?
[08:50] <imbrandon> danimo: COULD but it would look funny and not a normal practice to put something in as a new version with a revision of 3 or 4
[08:50] <imbrandon> and i dont think Riddell would go for it 
[08:50] <imbrandon> tbh ;)
[08:51] <danimo> imbrandon: it was always been like that
[08:51] <danimo> imbrandon: on suse I mean
[08:52] <danimo> imbrandon: onone cared. why should they
[08:52] <imbrandon> ........ i'll explain after i get this fixed up ;)
[08:52] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:53] <imbrandon> it makes merges and syncs go ALOT smoother is the short story but i'll explain better ina bit
[08:54] <abattoir> Riddell: around?
[08:55] <imbrandon> abattoir: he is gone for the night
[08:55] <apachelogger> switiching to internet2.0 :P
[08:55] <abattoir> imbrandon: aah, ok, thanks :)
[08:55] <imbrandon> lol
[08:55] <abattoir> imbrandon: any updates on trinity? ;)
[08:56] <apachelogger> imbrandon: ya got a trinity as well? Oo
[08:56] <imbrandon> heh ye why ?
[08:56] <imbrandon> yea*
[08:57] <apachelogger> runs either xp, kubuntu or suse ;-)
[08:57] <imbrandon> huh ? /me is lost
[08:57] <abattoir> imbrandon: nvm :)
[08:58] <apachelogger> just such a bad story
[08:58] <imbrandon> abattoir: ahhh 
[08:58] <imbrandon> abattoir: OUR trinity
[08:58] <apachelogger> really, can't deal with that series
[08:58] <imbrandon> hehe i was confused by apachelogger
[08:58] <apachelogger> :P
[08:58] <imbrandon> abattoir: yea but they are on the lappy
[08:58] <imbrandon> havent had much time for it the last few days alot of releases 
[08:58] <abattoir> imbrandon: np, whenever you have the time
[08:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:58] <imbrandon> i'll sync soon
[08:59] <apachelogger> talking about sync
[09:03] <danimo> imbrandon: still nothing on revu
[09:03] <imbrandon> danimo: yea i dont think your key is syncd we'll have to poke a REVU admin later
[09:04] <Mez> imbrandon, revu admin?
[09:04] <Mez> whatsup ?
[09:04] <imbrandon> heya mez  i was poke at your cheeseit site earlier , but anyhow danimo's upload never showed i'm asumming his key isnt syncd
[09:05] <Mez> lemme have a look
[09:05] <danimo> imbrandon: anyway, how do I make a changelog entry without bumping the package version
[09:05] <imbrandon> danimo: like this hold on ..... ( pastebins )
[09:05] <Mez> upload of what ?
[09:05] <imbrandon> amarok
[09:06] <imbrandon> danimo: http://pastebin.ca/146625
[09:06] <imbrandon> is how we normaly do it
[09:07] <Mez> imbrandon, last upload to revu of amarok was by hobbsee
[09:07] <imbrandon> hrm ok thanks
[09:07] <Mez> amarok (2:1.4.1-0ubuntu3)
[09:08] <imbrandon> danimo: are you sure you put dput revu blah
[09:08] <Mez> that the right version?
[09:08] <imbrandon> nah we working on 1.4.2 now but no biggie
[09:08] <imbrandon> thats an old upload from long ago
[09:08] <imbrandon> he finaly just ftped it somewhere else
[09:08] <danimo> imbrandon: I just said dput package, revu should be revu
[09:08] <danimo> prolly :)
[09:09] <danimo> imbrandon: ok, still I think it's silly :}
[09:09] <imbrandon> danimo: afaik you should put dput revu *.changes ( becouse i have different stanzes in dput.conf like dput ubuntu blah or dput debian blah depending on where th upload is going )
[09:10] <ryanakca> imbrandon: back
[09:10] <imbrandon> heh check your default in dput.conf
[09:10] <danimo> oha. upload.ubuntu.com :)
[09:10] <imbrandon> err /etc/dput.cf
[09:10] <imbrandon> hahaha it will get silently rejected ;)
[09:10] <imbrandon> no worries
[09:10] <Mez> imbrandon: not even in rejected
[09:10] <danimo> I hope so
[09:11] <imbrandon> yea he uploaded to the ftpmaster Mez
[09:11] <imbrandon> heh
[09:11] <imbrandon> just figured that out
[09:11] <imbrandon> heh
[09:11] <Mez> ;)
[09:11] <Mez> fun :D
[09:11] <danimo> Mez: sorry, nevermind :)
[09:11] <imbrandon> danimo: yea from now on dput revu *_source.changes ;)
[09:11] <imbrandon> thanks mez
[09:12] <apachelogger> danimo: or change the default ;-)
[09:12] <apachelogger> uhh
[09:12] <imbrandon> btw nice site from when you got bored that day ;P
[09:12] <apachelogger> CSI:NY on tv
[09:12] <Mez> imbrandon: lol
[09:12] <Mez> though
[09:12] <Mez> weird
[09:12] <Mez> danimo - whats your keyid ?
[09:13] <danimo> Mez: I did upload things already
[09:14] <imbrandon> since it changed to LP auth ?
[09:14] <Mez> it did ?
[09:14] <Mez> hmm
[09:14] <Mez> lol
[09:14] <danimo> Mez: yes
[09:14] <imbrandon> yea hold on
[09:15] <imbrandon> you have to be a member of https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors
[09:15] <Mez> *shrugs*
[09:15] <imbrandon> the keys still have to be syncd by an admin though
[09:16] <Mez> which it seems I'm not anymore
[09:16] <imbrandon> Mez: if you on ubuntu-dev or -core-dev
[09:16] <imbrandon> you dont have to be
[09:16] <danimo> Mez: C901C33E
[09:18] <Mez> no I mean - I WAS a REVU admin
[09:19] <danimo> Mez: and now?
[09:19] <Mez> I dont seem to be
[09:20] <imbrandon> Mez: heh poke ajmitch later , probably when they moed to LP
[09:20] <imbrandon> moved*
[09:22] <ryanakca> brb, going to check if sound is fixed
[09:23] <imbrandon> oh Mez can i poke you about something else while your arround ?
[09:23] <Mez> depends on what it is :P
[09:24] <imbrandon> heh approve my kubuntu-team on LP i forgot to poke Riddell about before he got off for the night
[09:24] <imbrandon> ( yea i made ubuntu-dev while you were on holiday ;P )
[09:24] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:27] <Sime> My Dapper here has a "Default Power profiles" tab in System-settings->Power Management, but edgy doesn't. Is that right?
[09:28] <imbrandon> Sime: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss19.png
[09:29] <Sime> I'm going to chalk that one as the fact that I'm not on a laptop.
[09:29] <Sime> userconfig is not loading in 3.5.4 too, nor in edgy.
[09:30] <imbrandon> Sime: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss20.png < edgy
[09:32] <fritsch> imbrandon: amarok already online?
[09:32] <Sime> :-/ doesn't work in kde-s-s
[09:32] <ryanakca> imbrandon: those really are nice icon sets...
[09:33] <imbrandon> ryanakca: thanks , fritsch not quite yet, compiling now
[09:33] <ryanakca> it's almost like they "belong" to edgy... just like the ones I had earlier kindof "belonged" to dapper's blue...
[09:33] <fritsch> imbrandon: okay, keep your time, just asked informational
[09:33] <ryanakca> fritsch? compiling what? eqonomize?
[09:33] <imbrandon> fritsch: yea i'd say about 1 more hour
[09:33] <imbrandon> ryanakca: amarok for dapper
[09:33] <ryanakca> oh, fritsch is a person, nevermind :)
[09:34] <ryanakca> lol
[09:34] <fritsch> ryanakca: ah got it ;-)
[09:34] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:34] <fritsch> fritsch is an <"KSmode">assimiliation</"KSmode"> of fridge
[09:35] <fritsch> it comes from my bad ability to speak english ... is from school
[09:35] <imbrandon> heh
[09:37] <ryanakca> imbrandon: what's the konversation build number?
[09:37] <Sime> Riddell: I've just fixed up system-settings in SVN. A new package can now be made.
[09:38] <Sime> userconfig now wants to work ok... wierd.
[09:40] <Lure> Sime: all PM from system settings will go away/get replaced
[09:40] <Lure> Sime: this is klaptopdaemon stuff that will be dropped in edgy
[09:40] <Sime> PM=?
[09:40] <Sime> power management
[09:41] <Lure> yep
[09:41] <Sime> ok then
[09:41] <Sime> should I just remove the PM icon from k-s-s?
[09:42] <Lure> Sime: not sure, you would need to talk to Riddell (I would as guidance power manager is everything we have now)
[09:42] <Lure> Sime: unless sebas has some big plans...
[09:42] <Sime> I doubt that.
[09:42] <Sime> he's up to bug fixing I think
[09:43] <Lure> ryanakca: did you package eqonomize? I would like to test this...
[09:43] <Lure> Sime: it is not much time anyway for new features. So I would expect it will be dropped
[09:44] <Lure> Sime: did you also change icon for accessibility?
[09:44] <Sime> Lure: fixed
[09:44] <Lure> Sime: cool
[09:45] <sebas> I'm actually slowly back to feature adding kubuntu power manager
[09:45] <sebas> But that's got my focus now
[09:48] <Lure> sebas: is there a plan to have kcm module for guidance-power-manager?
[09:48] <Lure> sebas: or is the only config from tray applet 
[09:49] <sebas> I'm considering it, input is appreciated.
[09:49] <Lure> sebas: if no, Sime should remove power management from system settings , which is still klaptop
[09:49] <sebas> It could well be done, but I'd leave that to someone who's skilled in UI design (and that's not me)
[09:49] <imbrandon> imho i think the tray applet is enough, not much "config" there
[09:49] <Lure> sebas: not sure if we have any more config options than the one's we have in tray
[09:50] <Lure> sebas: I would personally preffer to have it in sys.settings and click on icon would not open settings, but dialog with tooltip like content
[09:50] <Sime> if the applet is always there in the tray, then there is not much point in duplicating options in k-s-s.
[09:51] <Lure> sebas: config will be rarely used and single click on tray should do most useful stuff
[09:51] <sebas> Ok. I'm fine with not having to add it ;-)
[09:51] <Lure> tooltip will become heavy if you have multi battery + multi CPU freq/temp/voltage info 
[09:52] <Lure> not all in edgy, but sure in near future
[09:52] <Lure> this is why a dialog window is imho more appropriate and config could move to kcm 
[09:54] <sebas> The refactoring I was planning for is mostly done, btw.
[09:56] <Lure> sebas: btw, why do we have battery % twice in tooltip - in progress bar and as text?
[09:57] <Lure> sebas: refactored code causes lid part to be shaded on my laptop - will check what is wrong
[09:58] <ryanakca> Lure:  Yep, go 'head
[09:58] <insanekane> Sime: PM Applet ?
[09:59] <insanekane> Sime: oh got it ... nm
[09:59] <ryanakca> Lure: want a link to my no-garantee no-warantee repos, or can you build it from the source on REVU?
[10:00] <Lure> ryanakca: will pick the revu source - thanks for packaging!
[10:02] <ryanakca> Lure: kk, np... hope it works...
[10:09] <toma> hello
[10:09] <Lure> toma: hi
[10:10] <imbrandon> heya toma
[10:14] <Lure> ryanakca: nice work on eqonomize! only stuff (but probably for upstream) that it does not have app icon
[10:15] <Lure> ryanakca: I am only contributor, so I cannot advocate on revu, but I am sure that you will easily get another advocate
[10:21] <sebas> Lure: Yeah, the UI needs quite some work still
[10:31] <Lure> sebas: lid issue needs small fix: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21507
[10:43] <Sime> imbrandon: ping
[10:44] <imbrandon> pong
[10:45] <imbrandon> Sime: ^
[10:46] <Sime> imbrandon: I've added a line to the KubuntuKDEMedia wiki page about how to remove the "Open Medium System Folder" context menu item which you see in konq.
[10:46] <imbrandon> kool ok
[10:46] <imbrandon> i forgot to add the system menu stuff
[10:49] <Sime> system menu?
[10:49] <imbrandon> system menu applet 
[10:49] <imbrandon> in kicker 
[10:49] <imbrandon> default file mangement for kubuntu
[10:50] <Sime> you mean the "Storage Media" applet?
[10:50] <imbrandon> Sime: http://imbrandon.sytes.net/ss21.png
[10:50] <imbrandon> bottom left
[10:51] <imbrandon> of that pic
[10:51] <imbrandon> users brings up system:/users and storage media brings up system:/media
[10:52] <imbrandon> instead of /home or /media
[10:52] <imbrandon> see what i mean ?
[10:53] <Sime> oh, the "System Menu Menu"
[10:53] <Sime> is that staying in edgy?
[10:55] <fritsch> imbrandon: ping, compilation already finished?
[10:58] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: It's the Microsoft transfer Protocol which is embraced and extended version of the PTP (Photo transfer protocol) for cameras
[11:22] <ryanakca> Lure: thanks, yeah, that's icon set problem I think... isn't known enough that other icon sets have icons for it...
[11:22] <ryanakca> Lure: but I'll ping upstream for one...
[11:29] <imbrandon> fritsch ping
[11:29] <fritsch_> imbrandon: ack
[11:29] <imbrandon> fritsch_: amarok for dapper finished uploading , the rest havent synced yet so i havent posted on the blog
[11:30] <imbrandon> but i can tell you how to grab it real fast if you want
[11:30] <imbrandon> while i wait for the rest to sync
[11:30] <fritsch_> imbrandon: okay ill grab
[11:30] <fritsch_> imbrandon: thx
[11:30] <imbrandon> ok first add my key ...... 
[11:30] <imbrandon> wget http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/887D9FD2.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add
[11:30] <imbrandon> ^^ type the , err paste that in console
[11:31] <imbrandon> then .....
[11:31] <fritsch_> imbrandon: done
[11:31] <imbrandon> for dapper add " deb http://www.imbrandon.com/packages dapper amarok " to your sources.list
[11:32] <imbrandon> you know how to edit the sources.list ?
[11:32] <fritsch_> imbrandon: lol :-)
[11:32] <imbrandon> just makin sure , some ppl dont ;)
[11:32] <fritsch_> done
[11:32] <imbrandon> you can add deb-src line too
[11:32] <imbrandon> if you wish
[11:32] <fritsch_> mmmh, yes if the debian "collection" patch is not in ....
[11:32] <imbrandon> and / or you can add ......."
[11:32] <fritsch_> yes
[11:33] <imbrandon> dapper all instead off dapper amarok too ;)
[11:33] <fritsch_> I need a dist-upgrade, do I?
[11:33] <fritsch_> yes
[11:33] <fritsch_> okay, getting it
[11:33] <imbrandon> yea dist-upgrade
[11:33] <fritsch_> imbrandon: ty very much for packaging
[11:33] <imbrandon> np
[11:34] <imbrandon> i'll blog as soon as the rest are syncd
[11:34] <fritsch_> imbrandon: what about the libvisual stuff?
[11:34] <imbrandon> so others can get it
[11:34] <imbrandon> its there too
[11:34] <imbrandon> i backported it all that it needs
[11:34] <fritsch_> imbrandon: gets not installed
[11:34] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libvisual
[11:34] <imbrandon> see what you get
[11:34] <fritsch_> imbrandon: shouldn amarok depend?
[11:34] <imbrandon> it does
[11:35] <fritsch_> dist-ugprade does not install it
[11:35] <imbrandon> but dapper has libvisual0.2 so i might not have gottent the replaces correct
[11:35] <fritsch_> libvisual though is not installed on my system
[11:35] <imbrandon> exactly listen to me
[11:35] <imbrandon> thats why i had you test this
[11:35] <imbrandon> ok do this ;)
[11:35] <imbrandon> type ....
[11:35] <fritsch_> imbrandon: hehe
[11:35] <fritsch_> sudo apt-get install libvisual
[11:35] <fritsch_> *G*
[11:35] <imbrandon> apt-get update then ....
[11:36] <fritsch_> imbrandon: already done
[11:36] <fritsch_> imbrandon: apt-get dist-upgrade just finished
[11:36] <imbrandon> apt-cache madison libvisual
[11:36] <imbrandon> ok so install did it ?
[11:36] <imbrandon> if so i can fix that
[11:36] <fritsch_> libvisual | 0.2.0-2ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[11:36] <fritsch_> this it gives ...
[11:36] <imbrandon> thats all you get ?
[11:36] <fritsch_> amarok is installed, but not the visual one
[11:36] <fritsch_> yes that`s all
[11:37] <imbrandon> strange 0.4 is uploaded
[11:37] <fritsch_> hehe, so errors while installing, wants to override files, etc.
[11:37] <fritsch_> i try --force-overwrite ...
[11:37] <imbrandon> no
[11:37] <imbrandon> NO
[11:37] <imbrandon> listen you have to be clear about exatly what your doing
[11:37] <imbrandon> and what i'm asking if you want this to be helpfull
[11:38] <fritsch_> i know, libtunepimp3 <- this one i have from czessi
[11:38] <fritsch_> so now there is a conflict
[11:38] <imbrandon> omg ok your not listning
[11:38] <imbrandon> listening*
[11:38] <fritsch_> imbrandon: okay, i dont do anything, expect what you say now
[11:38] <imbrandon> EXACTLY what have you done so far , 
[11:38] <imbrandon> see if you would look at http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/amarok/
[11:39] <imbrandon> i have those uploaded
[11:39] <imbrandon> they SHOULD be installing and showing up in madison
[11:39] <fritsch> okay
[11:39] <imbrandon> if NOT
[11:39] <imbrandon> i need to know EXACTLY what its saying
[11:39] <Lure> imbrandon: do you depend on >= 0.4
[11:39] <fritsch> sorry: paste
[11:39] <fritsch> fritsch@todesstern:/$ apt-cache madison libvisual
[11:39] <fritsch>  libvisual | 0.2.0-2ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources
[11:39] <imbrandon> lure yes but 
[11:39] <Lure> imbrandon: it may be that offical repo has higher prio than yours
[11:39] <fritsch> imbrandon: this is not there
[11:40] <imbrandon> Lure: no its that dapper has libvisual0.2 NOT libvisual_0.2
[11:40] <imbrandon> so i need to replaces/conflicts
[11:40] <imbrandon> so i need to replaces/conflicts/provides
[11:40] <imbrandon> hrm ok hold on
[11:41] <Lure> imbrandon: why not just install side -to side with 0.2?
[11:41] <imbrandon> i might be able to
[11:41] <Lure> do they not have proper soname
[11:41] <fritsch> imbrandon: apt-cache show amarok tells me that only libvisual0.4 is "suggested"
[11:41] <fritsch> imbrandon: not recommended
[11:41] <Lure> I am concerned that some other prog may depend on 0.2...
[11:41] <imbrandon> no they dont the old was nasty
[11:41] <imbrandon> Lure: 0.4 provides the same interface as 0.2
[11:41] <imbrandon> fritsch: please hold
[11:42] <Lure> imbrandon: then it should be replaces/provides/conflicts...
[11:42] <imbrandon> Lure: we did this last time with 1.4.1 i just dident use the same debian/
[11:42] <imbrandon> right
[11:42] <imbrandon> i just forgot it 
[11:42] <imbrandon> i was makin sure thats what it was when fritsch wanted to go off overiding stuff
[11:42] <imbrandon> heh
[11:43] <imbrandon> fritsch: give me a bit to fix and reupload
[11:43] <fritsch> imbrandon: okay, you want to hear what i discovered?
[11:43] <imbrandon> ?
[11:43] <fritsch> imbrandon: your amarok package  does not depen on libvisual, the only libvisual it suggest is libvisual_plugins0.2
[11:44] <imbrandon> yes it does
[11:44] <imbrandon> i'm looking at the control right now
[11:45] <fritsch> imbrandon: okay, the first error, with overwriting was in the libtunepimp3 package, which wants to overwrite my local installation of libtunepimp3
[11:46] <imbrandon> well libtune wasent in dapper so thats local to you
[11:46] <fritsch> imbrandon: I rebuild edgy amarok
[11:46] <imbrandon> and to be expected
[11:46] <fritsch> imbrandon: so not be a problem for the others
[11:46] <imbrandon> fritsch: huh ?
[11:47] <fritsch> imbrandon: i used the latest amarok edgy version before ... rebuild for dapper
[11:47] <fritsch> imbrandon: was not hard to get compile ...
[11:47] <imbrandon> fritsch: its not a problem i need to get it fixed anyhow 
[11:47] <imbrandon> but do as you wish
[11:48] <fritsch> imbrandon: adding libvisual to the depends will fix it, and adding libvisaul to the "packages.gz" of your apt mirror?
[11:49] <imbrandon> it is in the depends and packages its the other problem
[11:49] <imbrandon> and i';m fixing that now
[11:50] <fritsch> imbrandon: just want to help, don`t want disturbing you in any way ... sorry if i did
[11:51] <imbrandon> your not
[11:51] <imbrandon> your helping but you jump the gun too fast is all
[11:51] <imbrandon> see look
[11:51] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/packages/dists/dapper/amarok/binary-i386/Packages
[11:51] <imbrandon> libvisual is in the packages
[11:52] <imbrandon> and the deps
[11:52] <imbrandon> Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>=5), quilt, bzip2, automake1.7, libtool,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  kdelibs4-dev, kdemultimedia-dev, kdebase-dev,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  libhal-dev, libxine-dev,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  libtag1-dev (>> 1.4), libsqlite3-dev, libtunepimp3-dev,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  libmysqlclient15-dev, libpq-dev,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  libsdl1.2-dev, libvisual-0.4-dev,
[11:52] <imbrandon>  libifp-dev, libusb-dev, libgpod-dev, ruby
[11:52] <imbrandon> i'm telling you it is something else with the conflicts etc
[11:52] <imbrandon> i will have it fix shortly ;)
[11:53] <fritsch> imbrandon: okay, i belive you ... if another "clean" dapper computer here, shall i power on for testing?
[11:53] <imbrandon> sure if you want here in a few minutes when i get it fixed up ;)
[11:53] <fritsch> imbrandon: i wait
[11:56] <danimo> imbrandon: no libmtp? :)
[11:57] <imbrandon> not yet, i'm gonna get this crap working first then i'll look at that tonight ;)